Ron Paul Attacks TSA’s Porno-Scanners




Ron Paul appeared on CNN to argue against the current TSA airport security measures as being invasive and a broad government overreach.

Date: 11/19/2010

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News Anchor: Should the TSA be prohibited from touching you, or taking an x-ray image of your body, or what about doing away with the government screeners and having private companies decide who can and who cannot get on your flight? With us from Phoenix, Arizona tonight is Republican Congressman Ron Paul of Texas. He’s pushing his new American Traveller Dignity Act which, among other things, tells the TSA, “Hands off”. And in Washington, Frances Townsend is our CNN national security analyst who served as the homeland security advisor in the post 9/11 Bush White House. She also serves currently on the Homeland Security Advisory Board.

Congressman Paul, to you first. Here’s among the highlights of your new legislation: It would prohibit physical contact by the TSA; it would prohibit x-rays of somebody’s body; it would prevent using the millimeter waves that are used in some of the high-tech scanners and prevent the government from taking images of an individual’s body even if covered by clothing. You view this as intrusive and abusive government power, but my question is, what about someone out there who says, “What, sir, happens if we take away these tough new screenings, and we have another 9/11?”

Ron Paul: Well, in taking it away, you’re implying that nothing else would happen. If you took out the government out of it, that would put the responsibility on the airlines. And the airlines would still be very concerned. Matter of fact, they actually have a little bit more leeway because they can screen their passengers a lot differently. And you can have agreements with the airlines. So you might have better screening with private companies, but even contracting out to a private company, as long as they have the same obligation to pursue the same thing the TSA is doing, that won’t do any good. That’s just another boondoggle for the private companies that are going to work with the government. It might be Chertoff that might get the contract to do the screening. No you want the private owners… you can’t provide perfect safety. This notion that the government’s role is to provide safety, it isn’t. It’s to protect our rights. But here we’re being told that we go to the gate, we buy a ticket, and you’ve lost your right, you sacrificed your right. Where did that come from? That’s about the most absurd thing I ever heard. And the American people aren’t for this, they’re tired of what they’re seeing and what’s happening at our airports.

News Anchor: Well, Frances, you hear the Congress there, his political committee sent out an email today talking about these naked porno scanners that people are made to go through at airports. And, of course, today I received other press releases. Senator Tom Udall wants to have a hearing after Thanksgiving. The Homeland Security Committee Chairman wants to have a hearing soon, he says maybe this TSA should not have these powers. Now that this clearly has become a big political story in our nation, do you have concerns that politics might undermine security?

Frances Townsend: Well, look. John, you know, this is a classic case where the government fails the common sense test. We’ve seen the threat from Al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula. This is the group that was behind the Detroit attempted bombing, the underpants bomber. This is the group that was behind the recent cartridges in the belly of the plane loaded with explosives. So the threat is very real, and I think as we come into a time of increased travel, the government is rightly concerned. There are a couple of questions about how and why they’re doing this. The government has the authority to implement these security procedures, but they also have an obligation to be advocates and to explain to the American people why these are necessary, why there isn’t a less intrusive means that they could use and how this will protect us and keep us safer. And frankly, they haven’t really done a very good job at that. But let’s remember, the threat is very real, and so we want them to be successful in keeping explosives off planes, and we are rightly debating the government’s policy about how they’re trying to do that.

News Anchor: Well, congressman, lets come back to you and where you would draw the line. And I want to show the pictures as we have the conversation. www.DenverPost.com put up some photos, and we’re just showing some video of the intrusive searches. This is from www.Denver.com. Now the government says this is absolutely necessary. You see the body scanners, and you also see as the photos go on, some of the touching and the padding that obviously you view, sir, as a violation of people’s rights. I want you to listen here to the Homeland Security secretary, Janet Napolitano. She says it’s necessary, and it does not, in her view, cross the line.

Janet Napolitano: They in no way resemble electronic strip searches. All they do is (?) in a private area away from the gate with an image that is neither retained nor transmitted. We’ve built privacy screens into the machines.

News Anchor: And, congressman, the head of the TSA, John Pistole, says using these screenings, they’ve already come up with some things that, in his view, have kept dangerous things off the airplane. So if we went with your approach, how do we make sure that somebody does not get on a plane with something that can’t be there.

Ron Paul: Well, so far, they haven’t been sure. You know, before 9/11 the government was in charge; they spent 45 billion dollars on intelligence gathering, and they got through anyway. And now we’ve given them 80 billion dollars, so how can you expect the government to do any better? Now, for the secretary, I’d like to ask her, you know, has she gone through a scanner and looked at herself on a scanner? Has she been probed and prodded? And Frances, have you done it too? I think everybody should.

Frances Townsend: Absolutely. Congressman, I have done it.

Ron Paul: Did you look at your image?

Frances Townsend: I did not look at my image.

Ron Paul: Well, look at your image when somebody else is doing, go look at your image.

Frances Townsend: Well, frankly Congressman, I’d much rather prefer they have an image of me rather than they touch me, and I’d like the understand what the …

Ron Paul: Have you had the prod? I mean, some people have to be prodded. The people are being forced to it. You haven’t gone through the prodding process?

Frances Townsend: Oh, I most certainly have.

Ron Paul: I want every member of Congress to do it, and every member of the cabinet to do it, and they might have a different feeling about this. But the whole thing is, we are dealing with 9/11, we’re dealing with Al-Qaida, and that has to do with a major problem with our foreign policy. And if we don’t understand why we are creating more people who want to hate us, believe me, taking away all our liberties won’t solve our problem. Spending more money on intelligence gathering and also taking away more of our liberties and having 6,000 of our people killed over in the Middle East… every time we kill a civilian over there to the tunes of 10s of thousands, we make more enemies. We won’t solve our problems by abusing the rights of American citizens. That’s what my beef is.

News Anchor: The congressman makes his case passionately, Frances, on this question. The debate over just what just the powers are, what the screening should be will continue, obviously, and the Congress will be dealing with this when it returns in January without a doubt, if not right after thanksgiving, but the question of should the government do this or should it be contracted out? And to the degree of what other technology is out there, what’s the answer?

Frances Townsend: I actually think it doesn’t matter. If you can do it more efficiently by contracting it out, that’s fine. But you have to set the standards. And quite frankly it’s easy for the congressman to criticize the government, whether it’s this administration or prior administration. But I don’t hear any suggestion about how he would improve it, how, if he had responsibility for protecting the American people, what exactly he would do to ensure their safety and security?

Ron Paul: Can I answer that?

News Anchor: Sure.

Ron Paul: The airlines, the private owners do it. Private owners have a better ability to do this than government bureaucrats. It just doesn’t work, that’s the problem.

News Anchor: It’s now a national conversation, we will continue it. Congressman Ron Paul, we appreciate your time tonight. Frances Townsend as well.



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331 Comments:

  1. Down With Tyranny!
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    p.s Ron Paul Will Always Be My President

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  2. andrewjefferson1776

    Oh yeah, that's what needs to happen.... we just need a slightly better explanation as to why they are taking our rights. What a load of crap! Let's just fire all these pricks.

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  3. sorry for the nasty comment! but I have had enough with people that don't care.

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  4. Oh that's what it is, you dusgusting paid off whore? The problem is the governments hasn't done a good enough job of convincing us why this is better than mother's milk! My god do you people hear this government schill? I would mandate screening and micro-waving (cooking) all the congressman and senate and this bitch every day 5 times a day and you bet the groping and the x-raying would go away in a second!

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  5. welll journalist

    even if you now know 9.11 was inside job , performed by the mossad

    the patriot act did not prevent the hundred of thousands of dead people your "war on terror" has "performed, right ?

    so how in hell do you believe that more of those measures AGAINST YOU FROM THE BEGINNING will make you safe ???

    put your tv to trash !!

    and go for an OBOLIX !!!

    look for it on youtube

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  6. The Federal Government does NOT have the authority to do this ANYWHERE in the U.S. Constitution (our Law of the Land). Janet Napolitano is full of FEDERAL BULLSHIT! I don't want to pay for this and WE DO! Fran Townsend wants a Nanny-state, like most Liberals. Quit making government jobs and driving up our taxes - make private employment available again! Socialism MUST STOP!

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  7. next time, im gonna go there half naked and rubbed in oil.

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  8. nwo shill, gorgeous, zeta reticulum reptilian...I'm just saying...

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  9. TSA = terrorists winning.

    A couple dozen idiots turned America into a Police State.

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  10. Maybe this is all about obeying and sumission to harder and harder methods of intrusion into your privacy and more by govt. If all of america let themselves be heard they will have to postpone their plans. What they did is take 2 steps forward and I think you will see they're gonna take 1 step back soon. until you get used to that then they take another two steps forward until you got your backs against the wall - the conspiracy nuts were right.

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  11. ThePoliticalPugilist

    5:35 -Sweet Franny, realizing she's getting owned.

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    Share far and wide.

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  13. WHITE SUPREMIST,DRUNKS,NAZIES,INBREDS,DEGENERATES R MAKING GROWN UP DECISIONS BY DEFORMED EMBRYOS.RON PAULS THE ONLY ADULT.THE ONLY TERRORIST R N DC,ALCAIDAS A MYTH .

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  14. WHITE SUPREMIST,DRUNKS,NAZIES,INBREDS,DEGENERATES R MAKING GROWN UP DECISIONS BY DEFORMED EMBRYOS.RON PAULS THE ONLY ADULT.

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  15. THE THREAT IS NOT REAL

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  16. This is about creating fear, I dont put it pass the Gov't but what I dont understand is.. why they are putting people thru this, what do they even gain from this ?

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  17. I remember that old WW2 news reel where the Nazi officer takes a baby from his mother and slams it against a wall till its dead.
    Janet and Fran would of said, "Well, if it keeps the 3rd Reich safe, it's okay with me."

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  18. Next up...cavity searches!

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  19. Remember never go to the back room for pattdown, make them commit their crimes in public! TSA is now 67000 employees WTH? The underwear bomber boarded in Amsterdam so quit using him as your reason. Also nice of the TSA to use a 10 month old poll to say 4 out of 5 are OK with the CURRENT screening methods.

    Liers, Thugs, and CRIMINALS thats all the TSA is but its government so we should expect nothing less!

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  20. Remember never go to the back room for pattdown, make them commit their crimes in public! TSA is now 67000 employees WTH? The underwear bomber boarded in Amsterdam so quit using him as your reason. Also nice of the TSA to use a 10 month old poll to say 4 out of 5 are OK with the CURRENT screening methods.

    Liers, Thugs, and CRIMINALS thats all the TSA is but its government so we should expect nothing less!

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