Date: 11/19/2010
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News Anchor: Should the TSA be prohibited from touching you, or taking an x-ray image of your body, or what about doing away with the government screeners and having private companies decide who can and who cannot get on your flight? With us from Phoenix, Arizona tonight is Republican Congressman Ron Paul of Texas. He’s pushing his new American Traveller Dignity Act which, among other things, tells the TSA, “Hands off”. And in Washington, Frances Townsend is our CNN national security analyst who served as the homeland security advisor in the post 9/11 Bush White House. She also serves currently on the Homeland Security Advisory Board.
Congressman Paul, to you first. Here’s among the highlights of your new legislation: It would prohibit physical contact by the TSA; it would prohibit x-rays of somebody’s body; it would prevent using the millimeter waves that are used in some of the high-tech scanners and prevent the government from taking images of an individual’s body even if covered by clothing. You view this as intrusive and abusive government power, but my question is, what about someone out there who says, “What, sir, happens if we take away these tough new screenings, and we have another 9/11?”
Ron Paul: Well, in taking it away, you’re implying that nothing else would happen. If you took out the government out of it, that would put the responsibility on the airlines. And the airlines would still be very concerned. Matter of fact, they actually have a little bit more leeway because they can screen their passengers a lot differently. And you can have agreements with the airlines. So you might have better screening with private companies, but even contracting out to a private company, as long as they have the same obligation to pursue the same thing the TSA is doing, that won’t do any good. That’s just another boondoggle for the private companies that are going to work with the government. It might be Chertoff that might get the contract to do the screening. No you want the private owners… you can’t provide perfect safety. This notion that the government’s role is to provide safety, it isn’t. It’s to protect our rights. But here we’re being told that we go to the gate, we buy a ticket, and you’ve lost your right, you sacrificed your right. Where did that come from? That’s about the most absurd thing I ever heard. And the American people aren’t for this, they’re tired of what they’re seeing and what’s happening at our airports.
News Anchor: Well, Frances, you hear the Congress there, his political committee sent out an email today talking about these naked porno scanners that people are made to go through at airports. And, of course, today I received other press releases. Senator Tom Udall wants to have a hearing after Thanksgiving. The Homeland Security Committee Chairman wants to have a hearing soon, he says maybe this TSA should not have these powers. Now that this clearly has become a big political story in our nation, do you have concerns that politics might undermine security?
Frances Townsend: Well, look. John, you know, this is a classic case where the government fails the common sense test. We’ve seen the threat from Al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula. This is the group that was behind the Detroit attempted bombing, the underpants bomber. This is the group that was behind the recent cartridges in the belly of the plane loaded with explosives. So the threat is very real, and I think as we come into a time of increased travel, the government is rightly concerned. There are a couple of questions about how and why they’re doing this. The government has the authority to implement these security procedures, but they also have an obligation to be advocates and to explain to the American people why these are necessary, why there isn’t a less intrusive means that they could use and how this will protect us and keep us safer. And frankly, they haven’t really done a very good job at that. But let’s remember, the threat is very real, and so we want them to be successful in keeping explosives off planes, and we are rightly debating the government’s policy about how they’re trying to do that.
News Anchor: Well, congressman, lets come back to you and where you would draw the line. And I want to show the pictures as we have the conversation. www.DenverPost.com put up some photos, and we’re just showing some video of the intrusive searches. This is from www.Denver.com. Now the government says this is absolutely necessary. You see the body scanners, and you also see as the photos go on, some of the touching and the padding that obviously you view, sir, as a violation of people’s rights. I want you to listen here to the Homeland Security secretary, Janet Napolitano. She says it’s necessary, and it does not, in her view, cross the line.
Janet Napolitano: They in no way resemble electronic strip searches. All they do is (?) in a private area away from the gate with an image that is neither retained nor transmitted. We’ve built privacy screens into the machines.
News Anchor: And, congressman, the head of the TSA, John Pistole, says using these screenings, they’ve already come up with some things that, in his view, have kept dangerous things off the airplane. So if we went with your approach, how do we make sure that somebody does not get on a plane with something that can’t be there.
Ron Paul: Well, so far, they haven’t been sure. You know, before 9/11 the government was in charge; they spent 45 billion dollars on intelligence gathering, and they got through anyway. And now we’ve given them 80 billion dollars, so how can you expect the government to do any better? Now, for the secretary, I’d like to ask her, you know, has she gone through a scanner and looked at herself on a scanner? Has she been probed and prodded? And Frances, have you done it too? I think everybody should.
Frances Townsend: Absolutely. Congressman, I have done it.
Ron Paul: Did you look at your image?
Frances Townsend: I did not look at my image.
Ron Paul: Well, look at your image when somebody else is doing, go look at your image.
Frances Townsend: Well, frankly Congressman, I’d much rather prefer they have an image of me rather than they touch me, and I’d like the understand what the …
Ron Paul: Have you had the prod? I mean, some people have to be prodded. The people are being forced to it. You haven’t gone through the prodding process?
Frances Townsend: Oh, I most certainly have.
Ron Paul: I want every member of Congress to do it, and every member of the cabinet to do it, and they might have a different feeling about this. But the whole thing is, we are dealing with 9/11, we’re dealing with Al-Qaida, and that has to do with a major problem with our foreign policy. And if we don’t understand why we are creating more people who want to hate us, believe me, taking away all our liberties won’t solve our problem. Spending more money on intelligence gathering and also taking away more of our liberties and having 6,000 of our people killed over in the Middle East… every time we kill a civilian over there to the tunes of 10s of thousands, we make more enemies. We won’t solve our problems by abusing the rights of American citizens. That’s what my beef is.
News Anchor: The congressman makes his case passionately, Frances, on this question. The debate over just what just the powers are, what the screening should be will continue, obviously, and the Congress will be dealing with this when it returns in January without a doubt, if not right after thanksgiving, but the question of should the government do this or should it be contracted out? And to the degree of what other technology is out there, what’s the answer?
Frances Townsend: I actually think it doesn’t matter. If you can do it more efficiently by contracting it out, that’s fine. But you have to set the standards. And quite frankly it’s easy for the congressman to criticize the government, whether it’s this administration or prior administration. But I don’t hear any suggestion about how he would improve it, how, if he had responsibility for protecting the American people, what exactly he would do to ensure their safety and security?
Ron Paul: Can I answer that?
News Anchor: Sure.
Ron Paul: The airlines, the private owners do it. Private owners have a better ability to do this than government bureaucrats. It just doesn’t work, that’s the problem.
News Anchor: It’s now a national conversation, we will continue it. Congressman Ron Paul, we appreciate your time tonight. Frances Townsend as well.
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Free Publicity on Tv has many and Always changing rules according to maintaining ratings, and owners agendas…
Ron Paul always Tempers Emotions and Questions.
Because without being subtle, calm, and careful of the tongue- People are EASILY Offended in these generations. Words make testicles shrivel, and vagina’s dry up…
People are mostly spineless today, ready to watch, looking to be offended, always afraid to act on what is moral, right and just…afraid to make a Scene…
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Ron paul is an idiot for not addressing the more important matter: Such as it being sexual assault, the TSA agent not changing gloves(Thus spreading disease and dirt) and the fact that the body scanners are friggin radiative!!
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You are an IDIOT!
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That was actually my plan all along :p
I have an american BF and I visit him ever so often… If I ever get the pat down, Im gonna act overly aroused or something just to make them uncomfortable.
On the other hand, they are probably creeps and would like it.
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her mouth reminds me of a toilet overflowing with propaganda
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i agree we should stop the searches but im okay with the screen thing. its not a big deal. so what if they could see my junk. if they really wanted to see junk they would just watch porn
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Our rights will continue to be usurped because we (Americans) refuse to see the truth of how our NAZI government operates. This may sound sexes yet this is my answer to the insanity that our country has descended into:
“Women protest & real men take action”
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You are exactly right. Our country is moving towards total “regulation” before our very eye’s. Wake up people!
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Google- Senator MIKE DOHERTY to sign online petition, “STOP INVASIVE SEARCHES”
The Declaration Of Independence DIRECTS Citizens to OVERTHROW INVASIVE govt!
Profiling is saner.
Stupid lying bitch knows 9/11 + the ‘Underwear-bomber’ were PROVED set-up govt fakes.
Scientists, (without SHARES in the machines!), state clearly that X-RAYS MUTATE & deform DNA permanently!
REFUSE to comply. LAW does NOT end inside airports.
Toilet-attendants Stripping Americans is ILLEGAL under the Constitution.
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Google- Senator MIKE DOHERTY to sign online petition, “STOP INVASIVE SEARCHES”
The Declaration Of Independence DIRECTS Citizens to OVERTHROW INVASIVE govt!
Profiling is saner.
Stupid lying bitch knows 9/11 + the ‘Underwear-bomber’ were PROVED set-up govt fakes.
Scientists, (without SHARES in the machines!), state clearly that X-RAYS MUTATE & deform DNA permanently!
REFUSE to comply. LAW does NOT end inside airports.
Toilet-attendants Stripping Americans is ILLEGAL under the Constitution.
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“ping a private area” …………..what would janet napolitano possibly know about that
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Every single person should make exaggerated sexual noises during physical checks. Hundreds of people exaggerating sexual noises would get annoying after awhile. And children should be told to cry and whimper by their parents.
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END THE FED!!! End the problems.
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RonPaul2008dotcom my msn in profile! Ron Paul Attacks TSA's Porno-Scanners
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RonPaul2008dotcom my msn in profile! Ron Paul Attacks TSA's Porno-Scanners
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Fran likes to get prodded…….(she’s either a liar or a slut).
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Agree 100%! Dogs are man’s best friend for a reason.
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Shouldn’t she be in the kitchen?
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YOU TELL HER RON!!!
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YOU TELL HER RON!!!
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One more thing I 4got to mention…I hope Al Qaeda pours their WMDs in her pussy….seriously…
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That fucking bitch said she was probed?! Why is she so defensive about this issue? Well….it means she likes to get her pussy probed in the airport by the TSA, as her love life outside the airport is lacking something…..
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6:46 “IT’S ALL…PART OF THE PLAN…”.
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9/11 KIND OF REMINDS ME OF THE REICHSTAG FIRE…THE GOVERNMENT TAKES OVER THE PRIVATE BUSINESS OF THE AIRPORTS,THEN CORPORATIONS THAT OWN THE GOVERNMENT,AND THE FED CONTROLS THE MONEY…ITS KIND OF LIKE A REAL LIFE VIDEOGAME WHERE THEY MAKE THE RULES AND EVERYONE FALLS FOR THE ILLUSION. WE ARE SLAVES. 5:10 “I’D MUCH RATHER HAVE A PICTURE TAKEN OF ME THAN BE TOUCHED”. I HOPE SHE HAS HIDDEN CAMERA PORN VIDEOS OF HER. 6:00 THESE GUYS ARE WORSE THAN FOX NEWS…UNBELIEVABLE. 6:38 SET WOMEN BACK YEARS
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ROFL, she said she has been probed already, she is so full of shit.
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ROFL, she said she has been probed already, she is so full of shit.
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What a stupid little tart!!!
GO
RON PAUL 2012 !!
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i like ron pauls stance on the fed but he clearly does not give a solution in this video. People dont think logically these days everybody is biased.its ok to like a politicians but wrong is wrong. We need people like ron paul to ensure that the government doest get out of line but in this particular instance he has no point. terrorist or the everyday whacko there is a threat. and security has to change because there are always wholes these nutjobs find. until we find a solution better jus relax
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It’s cultural suicide. The TSA is a charade, but worse; an attack on the values of our country.
Search: Little girl talks back to the TSA
To see a little girl explain how contrary the TSA is to the values we teach our kids.
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That lady didn’t answer John King’s question
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I, like many Americans, would rather protect myself than give up more liberty to this tyrannical government! Yes the threat is real and it comes from the government. Napolitano is a liar. These machines do retain images and they are quite detailed. Not to mention the heavy dose of radiation they give off.
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terroristophobes
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i want to punch that cunt right in the fucking tits
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that dumbass bitch said “it doesn’t matter” thats the kind of attitude that says i dont care about the people as long as im getting paid…thats the kind of shit that fucks this county up
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This bitch is a CIA asset, feeding disinfo out there..
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let see, J.N. said “they can’t store or transmit images”.
but she says “the machines are away from the gate”
so how is the image sent from the machine to the ‘private porno lounge’ away from the gate?
it is… tah dah… TRANSMITTED
duh.
you think that transmission is encrypted? for all we know its sent over a wireless network. And yes, if it can send the image away from the gate it can send it anywhere.
Frances Townsend is typical of the two party state of mind. She says Ron Paul doesn’t come up with suggestions on what should be done (I hear this argument a lot about him). But he DOES have suggestions, but its not the suggestion she wants to hear, so she says he is not offering a suggestion.
It’s like Obama saying “tell us what’s wrong with Obamacare and what you want changed”, then we say “we don’t want the mandate, or the single payer provision, or the reduction in HSA amounts etc”, and Obama comes back and says “you haven’t given any suggestions”.
If we said “extend the mandate out to 2016″ then he would reply “oh, yes, we can compromise on that”. He’s missing that we DON’T WANT the mandate. Much like we DON’T WANT the pat downs.
What is Ron Paul saying? give security to the airlines. 1 (Ryanair) can grope, 1 can use sniffer dogs (Southwest). Insurance companies can charge ryanair more or less than southwest for insurance on the planes against terrorism.
wait 5 years and see which company exists, and which company has a terrorist incident. I can almost guarantee you the airlines will hire security specialists (e.g. ex. secret service, or ex. Israeli airport security) and not minimum wage TSA workers to manage security.
Cognitive dissonance or selective hearing seems to be rife in the parties (Republican and Democrat)
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Ron Paul just Owned her!
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