30 responses to “Ron Paul Defends Wikileaks”

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  2. Kask Salomon

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  4. Leo Corion

    Thomas Jefferson’s bountiful book collection, now housed in the Library of Congress, comprises the bulk of renaissance enlightenment;
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    His personalized copy of Swedenborg’s True Christian Religion, with his hand written notes along the margins.

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  5. Leo Corion

    Because by thy sorcery have all nations been seduced signifies that by their wicked arts and persuasions they have compelled all the well disposed to believe and to do those things from which they have gained dominion and wealth. This is evident from the signification of "sorcery," as being arts and persuasions,also from the signification of "nations" as being those who are in good, thus the well disposed; also from the signification of "to be seduced," as meaning to be deceived by such arts and persuasions into believing and doing those things from which they have gained dominion and wealth. "Sorcery" has nearly the same signification in the Word as "enchantment," and "enchantment" signifies such persuasion as causes a man to have no other perception than that a thing is so..

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  6. Leo Corion

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  7. Leo Corion

    If Truth Be…

    If truth be treason, bold and free,
    And liberty be heresy;
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  8. Jake

    Wikeleaks, The movie

    Here:

    http://anonops.blogspot.com/p/movie.html

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  9. Frank

    Has anyone stop to consider that Assange has information that could cause something worse than what has already happened? From what I could gather, Assange is holding back some nasty info as "insurance", and no one see's a problem with this?

    What if some company or government makes him (or them) angry and decide to let out all that held back info? Or someone on his side decides to release the info for whatever reason?

    Scares me to think that an ex-hacker, who is making money off of the resulting chaos from donations, has made so many believe that his ethical/moral compass points true.

    Assange said there are instruction to let the entire collection of data be released in the event of his murder. He has enemies everywhere now, and if some nut job kills him just to make that event happen, lets hope that it doesn't start what Assange thinks it will.

    Bottom line, Wikileaks is trying to do the right thing the wrong way.

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  10. Eris

    Ron Paul is a character missing in a lot of democratic governments. His ability to identify and criticise on the real issues related to the problem rather than present political spin is... well something I have never seen before.

    It's amusing to see the fear in politicians when confronted with the truth. The instinct in many of them is to deny everything, to shift them blame on anyone besides themselves, to tell further lies and make errant statements in a last ditch effort to divert the issue. This is the real state democracy is in; thus we must thank Wikileaks for keeping the bastards honest.

    For those who wish to complain that Wikileaks would compromise military strategies, results in deaths or face increased confrontations, think about the root cause of the problem. (not that any deaths have been attributed to Wikileaks)

    The reason the US is in Iraq and the middle east is to fight a war based on lies. Lies told by the government (WMDs, Al Qaeda etc) . Lies which cause real harm to both soldiers and civilians. Lies which destabilises whole regions. Lies told for their own benefit. If these lies weren't told then the US wouldn't be in Afghanistan or Iraq.

    Another point of view is, someone just invaded your country (or a country you are allied with) and starts killing people, committing atrocities (many which would not have seen the light of day had it not been for Wikileaks) and implementing their own government, would you not fight back?

    By the way Ben, why do you think Wikileaks needs to be so secretive? It's because of governments like the US who use their CIA to track down and assassinate these people, or black bag them and detain them indefinitely in areas "out of their jurisdiction", to torture them for information they do not have, to be scapegoats for the lies of the US administration. They are secretive in order to protect and share the truth. Can you not see the difference between being secretive in order to hide the truth?

    People should realise that, of course there are some secrets that are better kept in the dark, but the 'secrets' released by Wikileaks doesn't and isn't showing this. It's showing the level of corruption, manipulation and real harm the US government is engaging in.

    Also do you not see the hypocrisy in your own government? When say a muslim cleric issues a fatwa or calls for the death of someone (e.g. Salman Rushdie) there's an outcry and condemnation by the US government and others. But people in the US government such as Palin and Liberman call for the death/assassination of someone (who has not committed a crime, merely REPORTED on information) and there is no outcry by anyone, do you not see a problem?

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  11. cks

    First things first...Mr. Assange is an Aussie and therefore treason is impossible. He is under no obligation to keep American secrets.
    Second...The Pentagon has admitted that they can't come up with a single example of a death attributed to any leaks.
    Third...Apparently Wikileaks contacted the US embassy in England before the latest release to give the State Department a chance to offer up suggestions as to what should be redacted. They were rebuffed, so who cares less about lives?
    Fourth...lets all pull our heads out of our asses and take a look at what is being classified. Karzai's brother packing 52 million bucks in CASH to UAE. Psst, that is taxpayer money. Pakistan double dealing and causing real American deaths. Saudis funding Al Qaeda while holding our hand. I'm tired of being lied to while others find bliss in their ignorance. I'm glad Ron Paul is not one of those.

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  12. Fed UP

    Let's say you were being stalked by a crazy person who wanted to kill you. You devise a plan to catch him in the act but need to enlist the help of some friends. Let's say one of those friends goes and tells the stalker your plan. If you found out, would you be pissed? This is YOUR LIFE we're talking about. Would you praise your friend for leaking the information that could get you killed? Would you praise your friend for his honesty?

    Well, let's now put this scenario on a much grander scale: soldiers (you) off in a foreign country (stalker) fighting for their lives and the lives of others. Is it so right now that someone leaks information and gets praised for it? Yeah, you might still be safe and sound in your sweet little bed, but someone's son, daughter, friend, sister, brother, fiance, husband, wife, mother, father - is DEAD.

    Sure, thanks a lot.

    The irony here is that these soldiers are still going to defend those who would potentially get them killed. They're still going to fight to give you the right to say stupid shit like this. Classified documents are kept confidential and "secretive" for reasons. Sometimes the "truth" as you like to put it, is better left unsaid.

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  13. floridasandy

    i have the utmost respect for ron paul, but i have to disagree with him on wikileaks. we don't need the wikileaks guy adding fuel to the world fire that is currently starting to burn, and we certainly don't need more distrust and grief in the world. shame on the new york times for trying to stir up trouble, especially in light of the fact that they can barely report ANY news.

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  14. ak02

    Ron Paul has been the only light in the hell that is Washington, DC for over 30 years, so to brush off his comments as if it were a Sarah Palin soundbite would be ridiculous. How about instead of nit-picking the cables to reveal what you want them to reveal and fit towards your political views, you should read the deep material in there, such as Saudi Arabia funding those killing our troops with our money. My cousin is protecting an Afghan village right now, and to hear this from diplomatic cables is astounding. All these cables do is further prove what Ron Paul has been saying for years. Now that this evidence is out, all I see the msm and government lackeys doing is plugging their ears and turning away from what is really going on.
    If we don't change ours and Washington's ways, were gonna be further in deep shit, eventually we may suffocate ourselves as a result.

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  15. Kat Suergiu

    I really admire Ron Paul. But I am not with him on this one. Within reason, there are certain secrets that the military should and must keep for the safety of our citizens and our country. Perhaps there is something Ron Paul is privvy to that we don't know, so maybe he should tell us what that is.Hmmm....

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  16. Skid

    I'm a big fan of RonPaul, but I'm not with him on this one. State secrecy exist for a reason and it should keep that way.

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    1. Michael Pierone

      Yes, State secrets exist for a reason. Unfortunately the reason most often is to keep hidden their incompetence, their treason, and their lies. At the very bottom of the list is to protect our soldiers. If the soldiers were at the top of the list then the State Department would have responded to WikiLeaks request to help them redact information that might be harmful to our troops. But what do you expect? Our government is putting our troops in harms way to no apparent purpose right now. I should say no legitimate purpose. The war on terror is doing NOTHING to reduce worldwide terror, it in fact is fueling the fire. For those who claim that WikiLeaks is endangering our troops, please stop with the analogies, point to a SINGLE hard fact.

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  17. Ben

    Here's a cable from Wikileaks that reveals the locations of vitally important facilities--gas pipelines, communication hubs, even an insulin factory. Now, if I were an al-Qaeda operative, and I just read in the Treason Times that a certain facility was "vital" to US interests, wouldn't I want to bomb it?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11923766

    None of you care because you are so thoroughly invested in your own country's defeat that you cheer for the enemy.

    Ron Paul debates like a kindergartener. "We're supposed to know the truth!" Ever wonder why Wikileaks is such a secretive organization?

    Either that, or you've got Ron Paul's cock so far down your throat you can't even think anymore.

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    1. yann

      @Ben,
      you are probably working for the government,

      So Al Qeida is going to have a revelation about "facilities"?
      Wikileaks has been way more cautious than our government - up to now we didn't count the body bags due to Wikileaks, but you must be blind to not see those due to the US Elites.
      Plus, should we go after Google as well? many of the "facilities" can be "googled" and found if you want to.

      You are a "good boy" your master is going to reward you well. don't forget to wack your tail.

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    2. Libertarian777

      wow, such a mature argument.

      Yes, without the cables we'd never know about 'strategic' facilities.

      Like... say a nuclear reactor

      http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=nuclear+reactor&sll=42.101208,-91.774399&sspn=0.006949,0.010375&ie=UTF8&rq=1&ev=zi&split=1&filter=0&radius=0.32&hq=nuclear+reactor&hnear=&ll=42.10065,-91.777596&spn=0.006949,0.010375&t=h&z=17

      or a military base in Nevada

      http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=tonopah+airforce+base&sll=37.800595,-116.774969&sspn=0.029603,0.041499&ie=UTF8&t=h&rq=1&ev=zi&split=1&filter=0&radius=1.36&hq=tonopah+airforce+base&hnear=&ll=37.794966,-116.770892&spn=0.029605,0.041499&z=15

      or the hoover dam

      http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=hoover+dam&sll=36.015314,-114.738518&sspn=0.003788,0.005187&ie=UTF8&t=h&rq=1&ev=p&split=1&radius=0.17&hq=hoover+dam&hnear=&ll=36.015314,-114.738518&spn=0.003788,0.005187&z=18

      these were not listed in any cables, so please, spare us this fallacious argument.

      And if these facilities are strategically vital, would it not make sense to improve security around them, instead of spending millions on TSA agents patting down 5 year old kids?

      BOO. there's a terrorist behind your office chair.

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      1. Come on now

        Sure...and the White House (map), and Lincoln Memorial (map), and the McDonalds on main street (map). I can do that too, but what what makes your list different from the Wikileaks list, is the US says they're important.

        That gives them more value for hurting the US as a whole. With some targets not being located in the US, the baddies have a list of stuff now that is potentially easier to get too.

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  18. Ben

    "In a free society, we are supposed to know the truth. In a society where truth becomes treason, we are in big trouble."

    Okay, this is just incredibly stupid. In a free society, we're entitled to know everything our government is doing, even in the military? How about troop manuevers? Where the ships are in the sea? During WWII, did every American have a right to know about the Manhattan Project? Did we all have the right to know when and where D-Day was to occur?

    This is such grandstanding bullshit.

    You know, John Kerry said something similar to this a few years ago. It was bullshit when he said it too. The idea is that if you're telling the truth, then it isn't treason. Yeah, like that makes any sense at all.

    Benedict Arnold betrayed his countrymen by informing the British about troops at West Point, New York. But HE TOLD THE TRUTH! Let's see, if I truthfully told the Japanese where the US Navy's pacific fleet was hiding, that would be treason. And if I truthfully told some Taliban scumbag about the names and addresses of informants, that would be treason too.

    Blind Ron Paul followers are such shitbirds. You condone treason with the same logic that the traitors use. The government keeps secrets, and rightfully so. There are some things that everyone doesn't have a right to know.

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    1. Libertarian777

      how many cables have been released with troop maneuvers, informant names and addresses?
      none that I know of.
      Only 680 of 250,000 have been released and a lot have been redacted. It was not, as the mass media portrays it, an uncontrolled release of cables and information.

      How is standing up against your government treason? that's patriotism. To love your country so much you are willing to be persecuted by the authorities, even when everyone else says you are a traitor.

      We are not entitled to know everything, there are certain powers we give to the government to protect us. But when the government is habitually lying, concealing and deceiving us (Iraq invasion, TARP funds, Federal Reserve funding of foreign banks, authority for the executive branch to unilaterally order assasinations, TSA 'security', the list could go on), there is a time when something like this is necessary. To awaken the people.

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      1. Libertarian777

        fair enough, I'll admit I missed that CBS report. I was referring to the 680 cables that were released. I ommitted the previously released information.

        Nevertheless why is it people like you are unable to have discourse without resorting to name calling?

        "The government didn’t lie about the Iraq invasion". Really? I'm still waiting for the WMD in Iraq. Have you seen them yet? Saddam was made out to be this major regional threat, but as these cables are now showing, Saddam was keeping Iran in check (although we knew this before these cables became known. The Sunni/Shia civil war in 2006 was an expected outcome prior to the invasion of Iraq). Which is exactly why the US supported Saddam in the mid to late 1980's.

        I don't agree with all of Ron Pauls views. I feel that a lot of people, even his new supporters, don't really understand his views on a fundamental level. He's actually not against ALL government, just large CENTRAL government. He believes in cities and states governing themselves (government of the people, by the people).

        I agree, active military actions should not be revealed. But is everything the government marks as 'secret' automatically assumed to be classified and we should never be allowed to know about it? Do we always have to place blind faith in the government? You complain about 'blind ron paul shitbirds'. How about blind party (Democrat or Republican) followers?

        Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

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    2. catherine

      You are the idiot. This guy is not a US citizen and can't be tried for treason. Your comment also shows how ignorant you are about how corrupt the banking system and Federal Reserve is. They need to be taken down. Do your research.

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      1. Ben

        I'm an idiot, huh? Where did I ever say that Julian Assange should be put on trial for treason?

        I never said that. Now, what Bradley Manning did, that was treason. What Assange did, that was espinage. Does it even matter to you that I didn't say what you said that I said?

        You still don't understand what I said. I'm disputing this idea that telling the truth can't be treason. Benedict Arnold told the British the truth about West Point, and that was treason.

        Is this such a hard concept for blind RP supporters to understand?

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  19. Ryan

    Ron Paul is right again!
    An honest government has nothing to hide; only a deceitful government need worry about the truth being publicly exposed.

    IMHO, PFC Bradley Manning is the only person who should be prosecuted for dispensing information that was classified and that he himself, as a soldier under oath, was not authorized to share. (That said, I applaud his courage anyway.)

    Mr. Assange, on the other hand, is just doing what all good reporters do; they find and share information with the public. It's called freedom of the press. Without courageous and honest journalism, Nixon would have never been exposed in the Watergate scandal. And many other politicians through the years would have gotten away with deceitful practices and intentions.

    I say, Mr Assange is not only not guilty of any crime, he should be praised for exposing the hidden truth(s) that he did.
    Well done, sir.

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  20. Topster

    Ron Paul is right! Props for the courage to speak out on this issue.

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  21. Libertarian777

    I would like to point out even the Tea party 'leader' ala Sarah Palin is buying the media party line of 'the leaks have lead to 100's of deaths'.

    I've yet to see any newspaper publish recent killings, detentions or deaths of people named in the leaks.
    Also the media is complicit. Wikileaks provided the data to NYT, The Guardian etc. for them to redact names / information as confirmed by the authorities, so its absolute spin to say this is an uncontrolled release.

    If the government's attitude is (at airports) if you have nothing to hide then you won't mind if we search you, why does the same not apply to the government. Why does the government get to keep secrets but we can't even keep our modest privacy of keeping our clothes on in public?

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  22. Dennis Swanson

    Ron Paul is absolutely right on this one. I admire his decision to say so.

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