Dylan Ratigan: Congressman Ron Paul joining the conversation. Congressman, is there anything that anybody outside of the borders of that country can or should do?
Ron Paul: Well, we should have done a lot less, a lot sooner because we’re in the middle of this. I mean he’s been our puppet dictator. We’ve given him 70 billion dollars, a bunch of it is in a private bank already, but we built his army. We sell him the weapons. We give them the weapons because we gave him the money. So, we’re in the middle of it and of course now, our government doesn’t know who to support and who not to support. So, they’re trying to line up with the next dictator. It just points out so tragically why intervention in the internal affairs of other nations eventually backfires on us. We’re just now angling to have control afterwards. I would say we’d be better off letting the Egyptians settle this problem.
Dylan Ratigan: Are you making a call, Congressman, for an overhaul of American foreign policy based on what you just said?
Ron Paul: Absolutely! I’ve been doing it in a good many years. I believe in the Constitutional foreign policy of the founders that advocated non-intervention which means that we start bringing our troops home as soon as possible and we bring our money home too. It’s going to happen if we’re going to have a bankruptcy. The Soviet system collapsed, not for military reasons but for financial reasons. So, this is an indication that we wasted our 70 billion dollars. Even the so-called stability that it bought for awhile, it leads to these kind of very, very dangerous situations. I do believe that tomorrow is going to be – if not sooner – a very wild and violent day in Egypt.
Dylan Ratigan: Fawaz, your thoughts on the American Congressman’s observations?
Fawaz Georges: Well, the reality is that at the end of the day, I hope that we learn the lessons from the Tunisian and the Egyptian case. I’m saying, we Americans – the American foreign policy community – at the end of the day, the Middle East has been a dismal failure, a disaster, for American foreign policy, but also at the end of the day, Egyptians are determining their future as you’ll see. The United States has very limited options at this particular moment. I would like President Barrack Obama to make it very clear that the United States, basically, takes sides on the side of the rising social forces – the human rights, the rule of law – those people who are really trying to own their history and basically determine their own affairs. But, I think, in the next few days, the United States must think very clearly about what its response will be if and when the army intervenes to suppress the protesters, what tomorrow might be a bloodbath if the protesters try to march to the Presidential Palace. The next few days are going to be extremely dangerous and I hope the United States has a clear position, a clear stand, when and if the ‘plunge’ takes place in Egypt.
Dylan Ratigan: Ron Paul, Ronald Reagan famous both in 1982 with Poland and in 1989 with the Berlin Wall for doing precisely what Fawaz just described – getting behind the pro-democracy forces, demanding the tearing down of the wall. Do you believe the United States should get behind that crowd?
Ron Paul: I don’t think it’s the same analogy. This is a lot of money and a lot of weapons, and we’re just trying to buy influence. It’s the same old policy of staying there and trying to pick sides. There’s nobody capable of knowing, who’s the one person that we can stand behind. Unless he gets our money… that military is very powerful now, but the military depends on us. So, we’re in the middle of this! To just say that we have to get behind another group, it sounds good, but can diplomatically once it’s settled down, for us to go in there and settle this fight, I think, is wrong and very, very dangerous and it will make things that much worse.