213 responses to “Ron Paul’s Opt-Out Offer: Pay 10213 to Get the Government Off Your Back?”

  1. fieldman07

    “Stossel should have pointed out that guys hatred of young people.”

    I was talking about the guy who wrote the blog, not ron paul.

    »crosslinked«

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  2. fieldman07

    ron paul sells financial crack to america’s youth”
    Stossel should have pointed out that guys hatred of young people.
    First he did the normal song and dance about how it is impossible for a young person not to blow their money on whores and beer.

    Then he said was that young people have a responsibility go give money to the older generation. So in other words, we are simply money farms to bail out the old fucks who destroyed our economy and put us 15 trillion in debt.

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  3. nicklasarthur

    those of us who are not numbered are already out with no 10% penalty

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  4. nicklasarthur

    is this just for slaves who already file a 1040 financial inquisition form every year?

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  5. SpiritualTruths

    In the Industrial age, not long ago, there was No tax.. The reason we pay so much now, is because we constantly vote into power the least intelligent and most
    incompetent. Then we wonder why?
    Ron Paul seems the only choice.

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  6. insomniac992

    “Somebody in highschool thinking they can’t get anywhere unless the government takes care of them. That is so sad.” Great quote. Its time people become responsible for themselves.

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  7. sterling

    the one quote that really won me over to ron paul and its truly how i believe is

    “The price of liberty is far more than simple vigilance. The price includes the integrity to accept complete personal responsibility for our lives, safety, property and welfare. The price that so many find hardest to pay, however, is the integrity to leave everyone else alone to do the same.”-Ron Paul

    how people could disagree with that in thought and action ill never know

    keep up the good work folks

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  8. nikolayzou

    I understand Ron Paul’s point that the Government does a crap job of supplying welfare services, but I am not convinced that the free market would do a better job at it. If America stopped waring and brought back all the military troop, reduced the army, got ride of the Fed, surly they should have enough money to provide basic medical and welfare system. I mean, what happens if you lose your job and don’t have enough savings?? You will probably steel to survive and that’s not good for society.

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  10. KOOPMEMAMA

    Also: If anyone is curious as to what Paul would advocate leaving under the government’s jurisdiction, it sounds very similar to what Adam Smith espoused in The Wealth of Nations- aka the most influential book on economics of all time.

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  11. erudite420

    Ron Paul / Judge Napolitano 2012

    End the Fed

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  12. DarkReapersGrim

    I would’ve liked to hear more than just 7 minutes of this.

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  13. Slugg329

    John Stossel looks like Keith Hernandez

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  14. Jh

    10% flat tax is interesting. A less radical change that interests me is if our tax forms had fields we could check that would specify which federal programs our money would go to. Bad programs would be underfunded and eventually go away, as they should.

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  15. waterchildtera

    how about i keep what i earn {that’s constitutional}
    and pay tax on what i buy { excise or tariff } not on property , no income tax ,

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    1. Anthony

      How are we going to fund our military servicemembers?

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  16. prosandkhans

    I just don’t want it to go to extremes.
    For example: no police? no fire protection? no public schooling? what if someone can’t afford private schools? no civil rights legislation when it comes to employment (equal opportunity employment)? Paying a fee to ride on a road/highway?

    I agree with a lot of Ron Paul’s policies, but not to the extreme that he wants. But I feel that if he is president, he will be able to balance a lot of American policies.

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    1. tj

      Fire and police departments are legitimate functions of local government…even from a libertarian perspective. And, trust me, if you place education in the market place…it will be affordable and greatly improved. Please do not fear freedom…it works…just look back in history…the greatest escalation of lifestyles, the greatest growth in wealth in mankind,s history occurred during the Gilded Age in American history…the nation went through a Civil War that killed over a half a million men entering the most productive years of their lives…in 1865 the usa was devastated…in less than 50 years, the usa became the richest nation on the face of the earth…How did this happen? FREEDOM

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  17. KOOPMEMAMA

    As promising as this proposal sounds, it would result in a multitude of problems in reality. Essentially, all the productive members of society would “opt-out”, leading to massive deficits in social programs as only their dependents would opt to remain in the system as it stands. Social security, medicare etc. would collapse.

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    1. Robert Firestone

      Thats a good thing that they would collapse. It would get rid of unwanted programs. People should invest in their own futures anyways instead of depending on social security. Personal freedom along with personal responsibility.

      Families, friends, and churches will come back in to play like they did for 143 years before there was an income tax and welfare will not be needed. Yes there will be an immediate withdrawal symptom such as you see with drug addicts but it will soon be minimized.

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  18. disabooo

    These insipid discussions always leave out the so-called disabled. According to the insurance companies – thirty percent of us are “disabled”.

    For me, I’ve worked (and paid taxes through the nose) for 38 years, most of the time two or three jobs. Six years ago, I’ve was assaulted in the hospital. I was denied redress ostensibly because of the FDA preemption. As a result of this brutality, I’ve been fired and labeled “disabled”, even though I was doing a great job and even though I’m ineligible for SSDI. This enabled the “health” insurance company to take away my retirement FOREVER, without paying a dime for the physcial damage done to me. Again, there is no legal help. The VR and the SBA have taken away the rest my life savings. Because these illicit actions were done by the government, they are ignored. Because I’m now “po’” and can’t afford “health” insurance, and because of the “health” legislation I’m now a criminal and the government has taken away my SS FOREVER. I’m BARRED from working at any viable job.

    To take away yet another 10% from me, a U.S. citizen, is treason. All of these illegal actions which have been taken against me have been treason. Where can I get help? It doesn’t exist – I’m in the trash can of America, living on pennies of the money that I trusted the government with – looking at hyperinflation for the next 40 years. If I’m so “lucky” to get any type of job, I have to PAY BACK the insurance company in full for this psychopathic treatment that has done for these years and have been paying taxes on it too.

    It’s been shown, over and over, that the countries who take care of their populace with individual rights, is wealthy. But in the U.S., we have given “treats” to the megarich with our labor for years, and is now trying to murder “we the people”. The bureaucratics are ruling over us with hate a cruelty amplified against the poor and given special treatment to the banksters, insurance companies, Big Pharma, the “nonprofits”, the medical industry/welfare cartel, the media and the megarich.

    We should be looking at what kind of damage we are doing to people right now – instead of manufacturing more criminal schemes to “hep” the “po’”. The money needs to go to the bottom. The “po’” needs real legal help.

    I supported and voted for you, Mr. Paul, in the last election. I will not make that mistake again.

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  19. WatchDogg728

    Gov leaves me alone, I can take care of myself…You wont find a better offer anywhere else guys.

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  20. mrwigiteeman

    how about the fact that the federal government has no authority to tax your compensation for labor at any percentage? He saved himself at the end, but its clear he is supportive of the continued exaction of our earned monies just because people continually accept the requirement that one be a “US Citizen” with their precious SSN, which gives this government the Right to tax you whatever they dang wish! How about an end to the SSA?

    Really? spam? must be that little progressive troll haha.

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  21. 13R1CK4

    I didn’t consent. When did I sign something? Are unborn children consenting too?

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  22. MOPEDBRAD

    It’s my belief that government should be funded solely through consumption taxes.

    Food, water, and property would be exempt; except for a consumption tax on property when it’s purchased.

    By using a consumption tax instead of the way it works now; a person could avoid paying any tax by not consuming the related goods, or services.

    I am still trying to understand at what point people started to accept that the government is automatically entitled to their money; forcing you to work for it.

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  23. tazman0009

    I think what is clear is that if gvoernment backed off, let us keep our money and got rid of entitlements, there woudl be a rough patch at first. However, the long term ramification would be wonderful. Government is so inefficient that when we give them our money, a lot is wasted. If everyone kept their money, there would be a lot less waste. Yes, some people will screw up and have to rely on charity, But there would be a lot less screw ups then there are now.

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  24. RecceMan90

    Where do I need to sign up?

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  25. sterling

    ive been saying it for years

    10% good enough for god , good enough for the government

    flat tax is the best tax

    no loopholes , no deductions

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  26. canaanav

    People cannot handle freedom. I remember being in boot camp. I was institutionalized to the point that I was afraid to leave for my duty station when it was over. The idea of choosing what to do in the evenings scared me. Being told to shine my boots and to polish the chrome water fountain seemed to give me purpose. Then, as I learned freedom can be like a drug when properly experienced. Freedom should be my prerogative, but everyone else would choose to take it from me and themselves.

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  27. RandomShellAccount

    Point blank…the Government has shown us all how ‘responsible’ they are with our money.

    SCREW THEM!!!

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  28. Fem

    If only corruption could be kept at a realistic minimum a lot of the problems would be reduced to a real minimum, so one valid question is where is it coming from?

    Nature or nurture? this question must be in lots of people’s mind by now. It is as if the selection process that yields ‘success’ is based on the essential nutrient called ‘corruption’. That is my theory based on observations and a few actual tests, but I don’t know exactly how that relates to the economy. And I don’t celebrate corruption because eventually it is self defeating.

    10%?

    That will yield 20 million for each dollar earned by 200 million working people.

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    1. Fem

      and out of 20 million collected 400000 government jobs can be paid at 50000/year or 40000 jobs at the same salary for 10 years.

      The question then is why are people so miserable? why why and why?

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  29. Mark Templin

    I may not agree with all of Ron Paul’s positions. However, I do believe in his over-all concept of what is wrong with the govornment of this country and how to fix it.No one can make everyone happy on every issue. Atleast he is takeing a stand. If you or I disagree that strongly on an issue, tell him why. Or possibly better yet, run for an election, any election yourself.

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  30. kommisar

    Anyway, your mom’s situation, while sympathetic, doesn’t really have anything to do with this since your financial situation you mentioned had more to do with your mom not pulling in a second income than it does the cost of education. It’s safe to assume your family had already bought a home and other obligations with the expectation of two incomes, and when one of them went out you of course got in trouble, but that doesn’t affect the validity of RP’s comment.

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  31. kommisar

    That’s the same mentality that fucked up the education system in the first place. The government is directly responsible for the cost of education going up so much. RP just said here he was able to pay for his tuition in a summer job — A SUMMER JOB. CEO’s don’t get a discount on education for their kids. Far from it. If anything, they pay more since they’ll try to get them special privileges and such.

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  32. 9Ke9

    “I liked Ron Paul until he voted in favor of letting animals be spiked to death on the internet for the purpose of entertainment. He was one of only three Congressmen who voted in favor of animal murder for entertainment.”

    Personally, it was the baby eating and corpse factory that put me off,.. but then after he killed that village of smurfs i realized he really was the Illuminati mason people and/or Alex Jones may say he is.

    but dam it! i still can’t dislike the guy!

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  33. kommisar

    That’s completely pussy. Seriously, grow some balls. He shouldn’t talk about something because people are too stupid and ignorant to “get” what he’s talking about? Umm, no, these are EXACTLY the types of things he should be talking about. If he didn’t talk about a good idea just because it might baffle, shock or even offend someone, he would be a typical establishment politician. The Liberty Movement is apparently too much for you; go away.

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  34. kommisar

    I laughed a bit when he told that high school student, “Somebody in high school thinking I can’t get anywhere unless the government takes care of me…that’s so sad.”

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  35. 9Ke9

    —-”My only problem with this is, there are several people with cancer, mental retardation, disfigurement, blindness, etc… Would this mean no help for them as well?”

    Well think about this:

    I understand your concern , but with lower prices and only 10% do you not think about how much excess capital could go to private Charities ??

    I mean these organisations in my country pay no tax anyhow , and let me tell you for sure , it is the private org that take up most of the Leg work Right now, i live in Australia and i can tell you with out a doubt , this can work, remember Ron Paul is talking about primarily your choice, your choice to pay.

    if you want to pay to a charity PAY. you will have so much more money, and have to pay so much less. this would be a win fall for charities if i were a charity i’d be throwing money at RP .

    and imagine how irrelevant the US government owned Media would be, they literally would not have a reason to exist, they could then focus on social issues.

    and the money collected would be spent so much more efficiently, because of the direct connection to the people. and information.

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