Yes, Italy could well be a bellweather for events about to unfold in Europe. The last time, Mussolini and his Black Shirts marched on Rome and seized power
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It occurs to me the one city that is left without active demonstrations is DC, where I suggest the root of the evil exists. It is the alliance between the banksters and the federal government that brought this collapse about. It is there the OWS will find their true target. The banksters are funded the aided and abetted by the pols where all retiring pols can find a comfortable home.
greyrough -- Huntsman is a spoiled billionaire's brat mouthing platitudes akin to the fantasies he professes in his religion. Without his money and vast family influence Huntsman would be nothing more than a middle echelon worker looking forward to retiring in a Florida retiree enclave.
That you would suggest Huntsman reveals you simply do not understand Ron Paul and his growing army of supporters and young accolytes. Paul represents an ever growing social and political movement in the US and across the world committed to restoring human freedom. Once initiated social activism is difficult to control and I see more and more young libertarians showing up at the growing world-wide protest against the corrupt alliance of politicians and parasitic capitalists and banksters. Should they seize a dominant role in these long overdue demonstrations it will change the 2012 political landscape. The politicians and banksters may come to the conclusion it is far better to have a 21st Century Coolidge than a blatant Marxist committed to hanging their bloody asses rather than refusing to subsidize them.
I only suggested Huntsman because I don't see any real anti-Romneys in the existing field. Ruling out the crazy teabaggers such as santorum, Bachmann, et. al, what is there but Huntsman? You know I don't accept Ron Paul as a possibility. Part of Ron Paul's agenda resonates with me but most doesn't. Most is impossible and unworkable and it needs to be modified in a way to make it acceptable. But to do that would mean flipflopping on just too much. He would have to become someone else entirely.
We must be careful about what we say on anarchy but I think it's o.k. to say that there is a big danger of the protests turning angry. My question to you is, is that what it's going to take to change things. Change things in a way in which all society will begin to benefit in the wealth. Are we there yet or will the 99%ers fizzle out? Italy is giving us a look at what could happen. And if it doesn't happen this time then it will next time.
Ron Paul won't be doing it for us IMO but it needs to happen because the midddleclass and the poor won't rest until it does. The US is primed for it now, mainly because there has been no attempt to alleviate the problem of growing income inequality.
We both want the same thing John, only I am not accepting your solution. And the fact that we both want the same thing plays a big part of why I'm writing here.
greyrough -- Good question. There has never been a time when pure, unadulterated libertarianism has prevailed, nor, in my opinion, will there ever be. Libertarianism is not anarchy. It is limited government and often it is combined with social conservatism of social liberalism. The greatest example was the period between the end of the Revolutionary War and the Civil War, then again between 1870 and 1930. During this period the GNP of the USA measured in constant terms increased by 22X, an incredible feat probably not duplicated since the Pax Romana of the Augustinian period. Other periods may well be the Renaissance in Italy, the Industrial Revolutions that swept the British Isles and the Low Countries in the Seventeenth and Eighteenth Centuries.
As for Ron Paul, he will run in 2012. This is his last hurrah. His last great platform to campaign for liberty. He is 76 and will soon fade from the scene. His legacy is both accomplished progeny and tens of thousands of young people who will pick up his banner an carry it forward. They will demand he continue his quest. I also predict that Nader will endorse Paul and lend him his impressive ability to gain ballot spots. I suggest the Ron Paul Library or Institute will have far more more visitors, both scholars and tourists, than any of this nations 20th and 21st Century presidents.
It's a real stretch for me to envision a period of libertarianism between the Rev war and the Civil war. However, I know that there are no better examples. I agree that there never will be a time of unadulterated libertarianism. I understand that you want partial solutions but I still think that even those are impossible and unworkable. I'm not going to argue with you further on Ron Paul running for pres in 2012. We remain in disagreement on that. I think though that most of your hope lies in the fact that they haven't found the anti-Romney. Cain is not it and that leaves some hope alive for Ron Paul.
On a side note, as we speak the demonstrations are turning to anarchism in Italy. I'm not surprised and think that could very likely happen in the US as well. That is, unless they receive some gratification from government and I don't see that happening. They will either disolve or it will turn violent. The desperation of the middle class is at that point now.
greyrough -- A professed Atheist must have great faith in repudiating and invalidating 30,000 years of human experience and history. I do not argue with atheists because they have a faith greater than my own and akin to the fundamentalist convinced the earth is 6000 years old, the Muslim who is convinced the Koran is authored by God or the Mormon who believes the Book of Mormon is anything other than Joseph Smith's plagiarism of a popular fantasy.
I agree with what you said but this: " A professed Atheist must have great faith in repudiating and invalidating 30,000 years of human experience and history."
How so John? I don't need faith to guide me. Scientific fact guides me. Faith is only for those who don't have facts to rely upon. I know this place is not conducive to a good discussion but perhaps we can carry it to the new threads as they come up. This one is soon to be lost.
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The Communists should not be allowed to seize on the Wall Street issues as their own. They are the concerns of all Americans. We have all bend defrauded of honest government and jobs by the banksters.
Ron Paul is going to have to modify his program quite a bit John but he's onside enough perhaps to get accepted. I don't know if he can swing far enough on social imperatives though, to satisfy the 99%ers. However, they are screaming for a politician to lead them and I see no other possibilities at the moment other than Obama. I think they're saying that Obama is not acceptable because he's just the status quo. Maybe Ron Paul is sitting on his hands because he doesn't think he could be accepted without changing some of his agenda.
It did occur to me that Huntsman could fit into this thing in a way. He hasn't shot his mouth off too much yet that he would have to backpedal. He could adapt his agenda almost perfectly to suit the 99%ers' demands. What do you think?
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