133 responses to “Ron Paul Highlights – Bloomberg & Washington Post Debate”

  1. JohnAcord

    Yes, Italy could well be a bellweather for events about to unfold in Europe. The last time, Mussolini and his Black Shirts marched on Rome and seized power

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  2. JohnAcord

    It occurs to me the one city that is left without active demonstrations is DC, where I suggest the root of the evil exists. It is the alliance between the banksters and the federal government that brought this collapse about. It is there the OWS will find their true target. The banksters are funded the aided and abetted by the pols where all retiring pols can find a comfortable home.

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  3. JohnAcord

    greyrough — Huntsman is a spoiled billionaire’s brat mouthing platitudes akin to the fantasies he professes in his religion. Without his money and vast family influence Huntsman would be nothing more than a middle echelon worker looking forward to retiring in a Florida retiree enclave.

    That you would suggest Huntsman reveals you simply do not understand Ron Paul and his growing army of supporters and young accolytes. Paul represents an ever growing social and political movement in the US and across the world committed to restoring human freedom. Once initiated social activism is difficult to control and I see more and more young libertarians showing up at the growing world-wide protest against the corrupt alliance of politicians and parasitic capitalists and banksters. Should they seize a dominant role in these long overdue demonstrations it will change the 2012 political landscape. The politicians and banksters may come to the conclusion it is far better to have a 21st Century Coolidge than a blatant Marxist committed to hanging their bloody asses rather than refusing to subsidize them.

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    1. grayrough

      @JohnAcord

      I only suggested Huntsman because I don’t see any real anti-Romneys in the existing field. Ruling out the crazy teabaggers such as santorum, Bachmann, et. al, what is there but Huntsman? You know I don’t accept Ron Paul as a possibility. Part of Ron Paul’s agenda resonates with me but most doesn’t. Most is impossible and unworkable and it needs to be modified in a way to make it acceptable. But to do that would mean flipflopping on just too much. He would have to become someone else entirely.

      We must be careful about what we say on anarchy but I think it’s o.k. to say that there is a big danger of the protests turning angry. My question to you is, is that what it’s going to take to change things. Change things in a way in which all society will begin to benefit in the wealth. Are we there yet or will the 99%ers fizzle out? Italy is giving us a look at what could happen. And if it doesn’t happen this time then it will next time.

      con’t

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      1. grayrough

        @JohnAcord

        Ron Paul won’t be doing it for us IMO but it needs to happen because the midddleclass and the poor won’t rest until it does. The US is primed for it now, mainly because there has been no attempt to alleviate the problem of growing income inequality.

        We both want the same thing John, only I am not accepting your solution. And the fact that we both want the same thing plays a big part of why I’m writing here.

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  4. JohnAcord

    greyrough — Good question. There has never been a time when pure, unadulterated libertarianism has prevailed, nor, in my opinion, will there ever be. Libertarianism is not anarchy. It is limited government and often it is combined with social conservatism of social liberalism. The greatest example was the period between the end of the Revolutionary War and the Civil War, then again between 1870 and 1930. During this period the GNP of the USA measured in constant terms increased by 22X, an incredible feat probably not duplicated since the Pax Romana of the Augustinian period. Other periods may well be the Renaissance in Italy, the Industrial Revolutions that swept the British Isles and the Low Countries in the Seventeenth and Eighteenth Centuries.

    As for Ron Paul, he will run in 2012. This is his last hurrah. His last great platform to campaign for liberty. He is 76 and will soon fade from the scene. His legacy is both accomplished progeny and tens of thousands of young people who will pick up his banner an carry it forward. They will demand he continue his quest. I also predict that Nader will endorse Paul and lend him his impressive ability to gain ballot spots. I suggest the Ron Paul Library or Institute will have far more more visitors, both scholars and tourists, than any of this nations 20th and 21st Century presidents.

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    1. grayrough

      @JohnAcord

      It’s a real stretch for me to envision a period of libertarianism between the Rev war and the Civil war. However, I know that there are no better examples. I agree that there never will be a time of unadulterated libertarianism. I understand that you want partial solutions but I still think that even those are impossible and unworkable. I’m not going to argue with you further on Ron Paul running for pres in 2012. We remain in disagreement on that. I think though that most of your hope lies in the fact that they haven’t found the anti-Romney. Cain is not it and that leaves some hope alive for Ron Paul.

      On a side note, as we speak the demonstrations are turning to anarchism in Italy. I’m not surprised and think that could very likely happen in the US as well. That is, unless they receive some gratification from government and I don’t see that happening. They will either disolve or it will turn violent. The desperation of the middle class is at that point now.

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  5. JohnAcord

    greyrough — A professed Atheist must have great faith in repudiating and invalidating 30,000 years of human experience and history. I do not argue with atheists because they have a faith greater than my own and akin to the fundamentalist convinced the earth is 6000 years old, the Muslim who is convinced the Koran is authored by God or the Mormon who believes the Book of Mormon is anything other than Joseph Smith’s plagiarism of a popular fantasy.

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    1. grayrough

      @JohnAcord

      I agree with what you said but this: ” A professed Atheist must have great faith in repudiating and invalidating 30,000 years of human experience and history.”

      How so John? I don’t need faith to guide me. Scientific fact guides me. Faith is only for those who don’t have facts to rely upon. I know this place is not conducive to a good discussion but perhaps we can carry it to the new threads as they come up. This one is soon to be lost.

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  6. WhoAreYou

    More supporters for the good Doc at OWS:

    http://youtu.be/mv-MACzLMQc

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    1. Liberty

      @WhoAreYou WhoAreYou,

      This video is even better than the first one that you submitted. What a knowledgeable guy. Only if we had individuals and politicans like this truthfull gentlemen, our country would not be in the mess that it is.

      RON PAUL 2012

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  7. AlansonOrrock

    Keep it up Ron Paul. America doesnt need all these politicians that are in it to serve their own ends. We need America as it was in the begining when there wasnt all these government regulations and interferance. We need things back the way they were when it was truly simple and free.

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  8. pashabest1

    Hi there,I do like the content and this man is really dominating and hope the best in future.Nice blog and thanks.

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  9. JohnAcord

    The Communists should not be allowed to seize on the Wall Street issues as their own. They are the concerns of all Americans. We have all bend defrauded of honest government and jobs by the banksters.

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    1. grayrough

      @JohnAcord

      Ron Paul is going to have to modify his program quite a bit John but he’s onside enough perhaps to get accepted. I don’t know if he can swing far enough on social imperatives though, to satisfy the 99%ers. However, they are screaming for a politician to lead them and I see no other possibilities at the moment other than Obama. I think they’re saying that Obama is not acceptable because he’s just the status quo. Maybe Ron Paul is sitting on his hands because he doesn’t think he could be accepted without changing some of his agenda.

      It did occur to me that Huntsman could fit into this thing in a way. He hasn’t shot his mouth off too much yet that he would have to backpedal. He could adapt his agenda almost perfectly to suit the 99%ers’ demands. What do you think?

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  10. WhoAreYou

    There are a ton of OWP that support Ron Paul. Proof… skip to the 1 minute mark. Ron Paul does not need to resort to demegoguery.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4ekotwKRUAs

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    1. Liberty

      @WhoAreYou Hi Who Are You!

      I loved the car that had Ron Paul names on its entire surface. Could you imagine if any of those protestors were actually emboding some of what the Tea Party and Ron Paul supports believe in than our combined voting base would be immense.

      We have a 000 Plan! No Fed, No Taxes, and No Wars!

      RON PAUL 2012!!!!

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      1. WhoAreYou

        @Liberty

        There are plenty of Ron Paul supporters at OWS. Truth is its a mixed bag. The Lamestream makes them look like they are all crazy people defecating on police cars. There are also plenty of Obama supporters too. Put these people next to the Paulers and the’ll start connecting the dots and filling in the gaps. The important thing is more and more people are THINKING!

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  12. grayrough

    Jean-Francois,

    I stand corrected on Ron Paul’s stance on the death penalty, at least on the federal level. He should oppose it for states deciding too but he probably doesn’t because it wouldn’t be in his political best interests. A death penalty is a death penalty and he should be opposed to it in all instances. If he’s not then he’s a phony on that too.

    As to Christianity, it’s full of contradictions and fairy tales and we needn’t discuss them here. Suffice to say that half the Kristyun kooks believe in the 6000 year old earth theory. I would imagine that Ron Paul is at least smart enough to know that he at least needs to pretend to be a Kristyun.

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    1. Jean-François

      @grayrough If you are for Obama and you can’t see the contradiction with your position… Obama does not only let the states apply the death penalty, he is for the death penalty at the federal level!

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    2. JayMichaels

      @grayrough wow. You hate god so much you even change the spelling on christian. Fairy tales? Nevermind the fact there’s more proof of jesus christs life than even rome. You fail at even history.

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  13. topbanddj

    hey there gr…rrrrrrrr …. u profess some kinda ‘deep’ political ‘verstean’ ….then u must have heard of the ROVE playbook right? mass hypnosis deployment via analytics of ‘media’ resultant socio-political diversionary agendas …fabricated and morphed together inside the all encompassing grid to formulate socially engineered class wide political beliefs…with me so far G ? in the old days they called that ‘crowd control device’ ‘RELIGION’ …….guess what ? it’s been synthesized—–cray computer farms harvesting perception mgmt thru use of word-spotting software cued to zip codes……. know bout that? FEEDBACK looped production, IN REAL TIME, BASED ON THEIR FINDINGS , of supportive corroberative stories, articles, blogs, special interest, commercials, radio call ins …on and on …. etc etc etc to create the template of the MASTER POLITICAL PLAYBOOK OPERATIVES…..GAYS AND ABORTION —how personal right –woman , men, men men, husbands—the whole enchilada in two irrelevant subject right HOLMES…i mean 25,000 starvations a day and we have to discuss these things here …how plasticine ….BUT IF YOU WANT TO BE A PLAYER ……and he’s a DOC…a GYNO GUY …so far be it from me …he’s seen it …i speculate…….they have been playing that tired horse until you want to send it in for road kill …..NOW to address your ‘blah blah” FUCK….he is running this in IOWA (southern iowa bible thumping Missouri crossovers), south cacalaci (definite bible thumps), NEVADA (cowboy believers), and NEW HAMPSHIRE —any thumps he can get …… so at least we RON Supporters can rest assured they are working it like the BIG BOYS DO …ron paul …hope so …Your with the DIA right?

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    1. grayrough

      @topbanddj

      Heard of the Rove playbook but pay little attention to it. ……….class wide political beliefs….. Yeah with you. Interesting info on word spotting software/zip codes/feedback. Not sure what the fukk you’re on about though. Plasticine? and ??? What are you snorting/smoking? Where can i get some?

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      1. topbanddj

        Heroin and dr paul says thats ok…however…yours is such a well worn cliche/ inquiry showing a futile attempt to exert alpha dog dominance ….more importantly ponder the realization that your fourth amendment doesn’t mean jack..(words-potting) … DIVERSIONS from the real emergencies is my point … constitutional liberty is the ‘prize’…. even with the imperfections of man, the existence of extreme differing conclusions elementally comprising life and death still can be discussed openly because of ‘the prize’ ….Dr. Paul has seen said issue thru different eyes, as a life saver, he is not a woman seeking her own personal rights …. he apparently isn’t an atheist….he truly appears to live and breath , walk the walk and talk the talk of one who fights for freedom …and if constitutional freedom is the best the WORLD HAS HAD SO FAR so WTF are you waiting for Holmes …help him

        @grayrough

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  14. topbanddj
    1. grayrough

      @topbanddj

      blah, blah, blah, Ron Paul doesn’t understand that protecting liberty is protecting a woman’s right to choose. Ron Paul’s religious ideology trumps his libertarian agenda of individual rights. But this is not the only example of libertarian rights being trumped with a religious or extremist ideology. Ron Paul will do it when it suits the Republicans’ agenda. In fact Ron Paul will always say and do what will get him votes. Ron sells his ideals for votes. If Ron Paul put a real value on human life then he wouldn’t be in favor of executing human beings. Remind me again of who has the authority to give life and to take a life?

      con’t

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      1. grayrough

        @topbanddj

        Along with life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness comes a right to affordable health care for instance. Not a situation where 50 million go without or have to rely on their churches or some charity to keep them alive. So now we’re talking about real rights, not imagined rights which aren’t the real priorities of the people.

        Simply put, a fair share of the wealth and that’s what the 99%ers are all about. The demonstrators on Wall street which Ron Paul is afraid to align himself with. The cause that’s exactly in line with Ron Paul’s agenda but Ron knows won’t get him votes when running as a Republican. Ron’s a phony and that’s why he’s going nowhere fast.

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        1. tanksbb

          healthcare isn’t a right

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        2. grayrough

          @tanksbb

          In a modern first world society, yes it is a right. All other modern first world countries of the world see it as a right. Not only that, all those other countries consider social programs for the people as rights to protect. Would you like to separate America and turn it into a non-caring society where the poor die on the street for want of proper modern health care? Or you just want to make it so charity looks after all your people so you don’t have to pay your share. Your greed is so shallow and transparent and Ron Paul knows how to prey on it and push all your hot buttons. That’s all this is about you know for most Ron Paul supporters. It’s the truth about libertarianism really. It’s another word for greed.

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      2. Jean-François

        @grayrough

        Paul believes in God, I don’t. So is it about protecting a woman’s right to choose or about protecting life. I can understand the position of an atheist who is pro-abortion or anti-abortion, you can be both when you are atheist. But I cannot understand the position of someone who claims to be christian and who is pro-abortion. Is it supposed to be a revealed religion or not? So in some countries, you can’t get an abortion, in another country, a parliament will say that it’s a murder after 3 months, in another country after 5 months, and God is waiting to see how human beings define what is a murder here and there before to take a position and “modernize” his views? I have no problem with the atheists who are pro-abortion, but the christians who are pro-abortions are swimming in huge contradictions. Otherwhise why not modernizing the 10 commandments, like “thou shalt not commit adultary, except with a bomb shell”. They have no choice than defining life at conception, leaving it to a parliament is an admission that human beings created god and adapt it to their own desires.

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      3. Jean-François

        @grayrough

        Regarding the claim that Paul is in favor of executing human beings, he stated in 2007 that he has changed his opinion. He explicitelly stated that he was against the deferal death penalty, altough he does not interfere with the states ( I’m not sure he would even have the power to do so) regarding the application of the death penalty.

        Begin quote:

        “Over the years I’ve held pretty rigid to all my beliefs, but I’ve changed my opinion of the death penalty. For federal purposes I no longer believe in the death penalty. I believe it has been issued unjustly. If you’re rich, you get away with it; if you’re poor and you’re from the inner city you’re more likely to be prosecuted and convicted, and today, with the DNA evidence, there’ve been too many mistakes, and I am now opposed to the federal death penalty.”

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      4. Libertarian777

        “In fact Ron Paul will always say and do what will get him votes. Ron sells his ideals for votes”

        HAHAHAHA

        good one. He’s being ‘selling his ideals for votes’ for the last 30 years? Is that why he was called ‘Dr No’ in Congress? For voting no on most bills?

        Now you are contradicting yourself, you say the state should not ahve authority to give or take a life, yet an unborn child is not a ‘person’? Next you’ll be saying black people aren’t human either (where did I hear that before).

        And NO ‘right’, healthcare or otherwise can ever ursurp another individual’s right. So you say ‘healthcare is a right’. So who should pay? By saying it is a ‘right’ you are saying that someone else can use the coercive power of the state to encroach on MY right to PRIVATE PROPERTY, to take such property from me via direct taxes or inflation, and redistribute it to someone else. I work an honest job, I don’t steal, yet because I worked hard all these years and have assets now, I must now lose these assets just because I have some?

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  15. grayrough

    Jean-Francois, It’s an issue of Bush2 already taking the money from the middleclass by awarding huge tax breaks to the very wealthy. To such an egregious degree that it has come close to destroying the country. And the country is still not out of the woods yet. Maybe you could think about what Obama is doing as giving it back to the middleclas. Or maybe as bringing back the equilibrium that existed before Bush2.

    I don’t recall Ron Paul bashing on Bush2 very much when he was doing his monkey business. Maybe that’s because Ron saw it as the money heading in the right direction?

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    1. Jean-François

      @grayrough You said: “I don’t recall Ron Paul bashing on Bush2 very much when he was doing his monkey business”. He did in 2008 and now, but outside this you have mostly his voting records, which show that he was against several of the Bush policies (TARP, wars) but also his resignation letter sent to Reagan in 1987. That letter alone explains what Ron Paul stands for. The man (Ron Paul) hasn’t changed over 3 decades, he hates anything like big governments, the Bush era as well. Now outside a presidential campaign, the media is not interested too much about what Ron Paul can say, so how could you remember him bashing Bush? He didn’t bash the tax breaks because he is for all of them, for the poor, for the rich, but he denounced the TARP. But if you search on youtube you will find many past declarations regarding Bush, Clinton, speeches that were not broadcasted widely.

      Now the issue is: How can you take the money from the middle class to give it to the wealthy? You can

      1) Raise the taxes on the middle class in parallel

      2) Destroy the purchasing power of the middle class with inflation ( the Fed, printing money out of thin air) while you give tax breaks only to the rich, so that’s another way to finance it

      3) shovel the problem and leave it to the next generation (increase the debt)

      Ron Paul has been against 1,2 and 3. However he wants to finance his tax breaks with a drastic reduction of the government., which means that indeed, middle class bureaucrats would lose with him. The democrats are sometimes for (1), they are leaning towards (2) if nobody wants to purchase treasuries and they are big fans of (3).

      I can search my source, but once I read that even if you put a 100% income tax on the 400 wealthiest Americans, mostly billionaires, you could not even collect 100 $billion while your deficit is 1.5 $trillion.

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  16. JohnAcord

    grayrough — The Libertarian is not a politician, not a schemer seeking power at the expense of others; they are idealists, dreamers, seeking maximum freedom for themselves and mankind and will always have great difficulty in transferring that idealism into a political agenda. Where we have prevailed even briefly their has been a lifting of the human condition in all of Human Action. We do not pursue wars of aggression, we do not loot others resources, we do not intrude on others property. Also many of us are committed Christians, Buddists or Hindus who aspire to live the WORD of a very similar God. My point is that although we may not entirely prevail, we will influence the course of political action to the good. That is why Ron Paul will run in 2012.

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    1. grayrough

      @JohnAcord

      John, You may be an honest libertarian, or, honestly a libertarian, and you may know others who are too. I will grant you that with some caution. What I’m saying is that I haven’t met any yet. When libertarians start bashing union membership they betray their selfish side and betray their whole professed agenda. In reality their agenda turns out to be, libertarian freedom for them and dictating the terms for others. In an honest sense, Ron Paul’s agenda that does away with Obamacare is true libertarian which in fact leaves most of the peole stranded. It’s just as much an abandonment of others as the phony agenda of most libertarians of which I speak. The very nature of libertarianism is not in sync with your claims above and so is not workable and never will be workable in a society in which we stand as socially responsible to our society.

      I don’t understand your telling me that you are a religious person. If you were an atheist like me then I would understand why you would have to tell me that. To hear you say that you have discarded religion as fiction would impress me. Let’s let that part of the conversation lie John.

      Ron Paul will not run in 2012.

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    2. grayrough

      @JohnAcord

      John, I also wanted to ask you about you giving me examples of libertarianism at work. I’ve asked for that on another forum with intellectual libertarians and they have failed to give examples. Can you and will you? This is a serious question and I’m not scoffing at your suggestion.

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  17. WhoAreYou

    Notice how all of the other candidates avoid bringing the good Doc into the debate. They know he would school them as he’s done it time and time again.

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    1. grayrough

      @WhoAreYou

      If, and when it becomes necessary to bring the good doctor into the debates, the other candidates will with gusto. At the moment they aren’t taking him seriously. If Ron became a serious threat to the frontrunners then they will quickly destroy him. Please understand that Ron’s message doesn’t resonate with the American people at this point in time. I view that as unfortunate but only in regard to his antiwar stance. And we both know that there isn’t going to be another chance don’t we.

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      1. WhoAreYou

        Disagree. They avoid him because it’s bad for their own campaigns. In that sense they are taking him very seriously. They’ve been trying to destroy him for a long time. One strategy is to not give him any attention. Please understand that his message does resonate with many of the American people, he wouldn’t have made it this far if it didn’t. You speak in absolutisms like you know the Truth. Your lack of faith speaks for itself but not for me. Doesn’t it.

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  18. leblanken

    Hey, who let all these jerks on this site? Why you on here? Go play in the street and let us grown ups talk about the next President of these United States!! Ron Paul!!

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