178 responses to “Watch the Full Bloomberg & Washington Post GOP Debate”

  1. random_task

    @grayrough I've looked at your comment history and you've spent the past three days consistently replying back to Ron Paul supporters with your obvious dislike for him as a candidate and his policies.

    You do realize that you'd make more progress walking in the opposite direction of an escalator, right? Why not canvas your neighborhood for the candidates you do support as opposed to trying to convince the already convinced about their choices-- because seriously, you're either deliberately trolling or have a 30 second memory on whether or not you made it a point to post your opinion about Dr. Paul.

    Do we know you don't like him? Yes! Do we know why you linger around forums that support him, leaving comments that you somehow in earnest believe will change another's opinon about Dr. Paul? Uh, not really. Do you have a lot of free time dedicated to eschewing the same rhetoric in places where it has little to no effect other than annoying others? Most definitely!

    Please, for the sake of yourself and others, step away from the computer or put your phone down. It's just an uphill batter dude if you keep going here--- CALM DOWN!

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  2. GrahamDugas

    Cain (named after the first murderer) wanted to start at a lower percentage than 9% for his plan but 6-6-6 was already taken

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  3. LibertyNow

    Ron Paul should have said that Herman Cain is not only an apologist for the Federal Reserve, but was the actual Chairman of its Kentucky branch!!

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    1. LibertyNow

      He just did! Thanks Ron...

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      1. kenwcreative

        @LibertyNow And Herman Cain just lied.

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  4. LibertyNow

    Looks like Bachmann and Perry aged about 10 years each... must be the lighting...!

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  5. LibertyNow

    Looks like Bachmann and Perry aged about 10 years... must be the lighting...!

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  6. RobertAPorrazzo

    NEWT, YA IDIOT YOU'RE FORGETTING THE FEDERAL RESERVE!

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  7. RobertAPorrazzo

    Hmm, that "female" Compost heap reporter interrupts Bachmann.

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  8. RobertAPorrazzo

    In case any of you are wondering about WBIN-TV. That is a New Hampshire based independent TV station, formerly under the call letters of WNDS-TV, then a My Network station as WZMY. The WBIN calls come from station owner Bill BINnie, whose Carlisle One Media, Inc. runs the staiton licensed to Derry, NH.

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  9. RobertAPorrazzo

    I am watching this debate in CT on Bloomberg...and in High Definition. Not that it matters.

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  10. Bobby Gramz

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Lil-Wayne-For-RON-PAUL/204592579609550?sk=wall

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  11. James Grady Cutter

    @ Mr. Chapman-

    They're STILL trying to skewer him.

    http://www.facebook.com/notes/ron-paul-and-peter-schiff-for-2012/must-see-a-collage-of-misleading-msm-headlines-regarding-ron-paul-values-voters-/10150405759250260

    :-(

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  12. Andy Barrera

    Another poll with Dr. Paul not listed, Vote now, lower right.

    http://www.msn.com/

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  13. RobertAPorrazzo

    Now Romney

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  14. RobertAPorrazzo

    First Cain, now Governor Gardasil.

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  15. JohnMakse

    We need to spread the word out to people, get them educated about what our government is doing now to us. They are stealing so much money from us. They are thieves. Ron Paul will put an end to it all, and get America back to what it was!

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  16. rp42012

    I hope ron paul gets a little attention.

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    1. SteveWWallace

      I hope so too. Sign up for the OCT 18th "BLACK THIS OUT" MONEYBOMB, that will be IMPOSSIBLE to ignore! We NEED 6 MILLION DOLLARS IN ONE DAY. LET EVERYBODY KNOW!@rp42012

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      1. BrightonEllithorpe

        @SteveWWallace@rp42012

        Yah PLEASE everyone! I remember losing in 2008 and the questions I was left with after... like, "what if I had given just ONE more dollar?", "Passed out info packets on just ONE more neighborhood?"... ETC. It isn't up to the next person...NO! This year, it is up to ME ...and YOU ...and US!!! Every little bit helps, as well as demands respect among the masses. Imagine if we could hit that number!!!!!! Without the big corps and banks backing us??? That is the best litmus test I can think of to see where America's loyalties stand. ;) Lets do this my fellow Liberty Huggers hahaha

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  17. SteveWWallace

    If Grayrough's "logic" is followed through, we should all just accept, say, MSNBC's choice for the GOP's nominee, and vote en mass for that person, never mind that there is not one iota's difference between any of the current candidates and Obama, they would all spend us into oblivion. The only choice, I SAY AGAIN- THE ONLY REAL CHOICE IS DR. PAUL. The rest are clones.

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    1. SteveWWallace

      "...any of the current candidates (excepting Dr. Paul) and Obama,....

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  18. Lea McIntosh

    Which tv network is this on?

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  19. SteveWWallace

    do you advocate voting for the person most likely to win based on polling then? why would you call people names for voting their conscience, or even principles, or do you not understand those concepts?

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    1. Paulcolyte

      I beginning to think that it's pointless to address grayrough directly. He doesn't seem to know what he believes in as he cannot provide any details, whatsoever, on his stance. The point of his posts seem to be some fit intended to just spew as much bile as he can without any purpose. My guess is he's either a child, on some bad drugs, having chronic masturbation rage, or a complete drooling halfwit that has trouble putting one foot in front of the other when he walks down the street. Who else could derive pleasure from attacking people without purpose on a website.

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  20. grayrough

    The sane amongst you understand that Ron Paul is going nowhere in this campaign for pres. The insane amongst you probably don't understand that yet. What gets me is that the sane amongst you continue to support Ron Paul even though you know it's a losing effort. Go figure! The insane half of you, there will never be any hope. They're the ones that will go get their guns and do something about their problems.

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    1. dubbya.wow

      I support Ron Paul. And I support you shutting the hell up. Go away.

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    2. BrightonEllithorpe

      @grayrough Sir, the only reason I seem to acknowledge that you are speaking, is that you post an interesting idea that has worked it's way into our psyche as a nation. That is, that although we are given multiple choices in this process known as an election, there really is only ONE candidate who can, should, will, etc., etc., etc., WIN. Now I won't argue the truth of the statement, because for all I know, it is true. What I will say, though, is that we need to evaluate how dangerous it can be to think like this. Have we really been brain-effed' so hard that we all cannot see that this golden boy (or girl now) is hand picked by those really in charge to continue more of the same while we smile and celebrate as if something has been accomplished. I don't want to start ranting, but all this is to point out that our Liberty...the essence of what made us "the greatest country the world had ever seen", is that we were a people of principle who stood in the face of sure defeat all for that small hope that we MIGHT accomplish the unthinkable. This, my fellow American, is why I believe so many of us across the nation are putting all of our eggs in the Ron Paul basket. I hope I can speak for the rest of you, but most of us believe that this idea of restoring liberty as our forefathers established it has been a long time coming. No matter the opposition to this idea, it is too powerful and simply cannot be beaten down, prematurely by the odds or statistics we are expected to swallow. So while all signs point to "No"... more of the same... inevitability... and other victim mentality statements... WE WILL CONTINUE TO FIGHT! So does this make us INSANE? I don't think so. Insanity is doing the same thing expecting different results. Well, I think it is safe to say, without Ron Paul as our President, we EXPECT NOTHING BUT THE SAME. I'll tell you what IS INSANE though... the way this GOP presidential campaign is proceeding as if it is "just another election". Well, I'm no economist, but from what I have gathered from those who are, we don't have ANY way to pay back our national debt. We can't even pay the interest on it. My point is that simply making small adjustments or ramming anymore brilliant "stimulus plans" into the system will not fix it. If we want to see any type of turnaround, and if that only means to level off and stop the hemoragging, then we need the definition of change, RON PAUL 2012.

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  21. grayrough

    I'm paid nothing you ignorant fool. I'm giving you the straight goods. Of course you won't accept it because you still think Ron Paul is going to save you and all the little people like you. Good luck with Ron Paul!

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  22. Prometheus Washington's Praktikant

    There usually is a stream, I'd guess at Bloombergs HP. If there isn't, Schmoogle will provide you with the neccessary link.

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  23. StCold04

    @ grayrough
    How much are you paid for each post you make?

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  24. grayrough

    One thing is obvious here. When Ron Paul is no more you lemmings will choose another Repub and that will ensure that you will continue to live your miserable lot in life the wealthy are handing out to you. Not until you have learned to hurt and hurt much more will you ever start to do something tht is in your best interests. And if you don't get that message then you won't get it in time.

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    1. Paulcolyte

      @grayrough So I read up on the 99%ers as you suggested and from what I can gather they seem to be an unemployment group that wants unemployment benefits extended indefinitely. They also propose a restructuring of the economy, but I couldn't find details of what kind of restructuring they'd like to see. Do I have that about right?

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      1. grayrough

        @Paulcolyte

        No, you don't have it right and I doubt you even looked. You're just repeating the bullshit from the right that you think is going to destroy what they have going. No, they are not just a bunch of unemployed but that's a good part of them alright. Go now and find details of how they want to restructure the economy. Oh, and you may want to consider that Ron Paul has not put them down yet. In fact he had a few positive things to say about them. That's because, if they get momentum your Ron will jump on the wagon with them and try to get them to give him momentum. What a phony!

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        1. Paulcolyte

          @grayrough "They're not a bunch of unemployed, but that's a good part of them" Okay.... And what are their plans to restructure the economy. I couldn't find details. Perhaps you can assist, since you seem to be a big advocate of theirs?

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        2. BrightonEllithorpe

          @grayrough@Paulcolyte Wow buddy, the way you are so quick to attack everyone on here does not do anything but scream loudly that you are damaged. I'm not going to call you names or say it is because your Dad or something, because then I'm simply fueling the fire. Cold Hard Fact Gray... We are all in this together. It is your foul smelling pride that runs rampant in ANY religious/political discussion that creates the never ending arguments and attacks. Why not try and REASON with those who believe different than you. At least then there is a chance for some outcome or end, beneficial or not. Lastly, if you are wrong... then the dis-information you are attempting at spreading will be in some small way, responsible for the repercussions. There is so much to lose if we get it wrong as a country this election. How can you not see this?

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    2. jbmgarrett

      Hm... Well what's obvious to me is that you don't value your time much, as you're wasting it here with all of us "nutbars". As we talk about something we have in common interest , you just continuously interject with random and usually unfounded insults. You're like the one loud mouth rude guy at a party who constantly goes around interrupting the conversations of groups of people with rude meaningless interjections and no one knows who invited him or why. If you don't like what's going on or being said, leave. Go do something else positive that you do value, with people who also enjoy and/or agree with you. The incessant degrading of the comments and/or commenters here by you is beyond the point of reason, with no justifiable excuse. I don't know about everybody else here, but I'm at the point where I value my time too much to waste it reading and replying to your drivelous comments here and will so forevermore be ignoring you. I hope in time you mature and find something positive and worthwhile to do with your time.

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      1. grayrough

        @jbmgarrett

        You're totally indoctrinated and past helping. It's not people like you I try to reach. You're beyond hope. But don't forget garrett, I win my point when Ron Paul loses bigtime. Oh, and you lose with him.

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        1. Paulcolyte

          @grayrough@jbmgarrett I'm curious how you try to reach anyone when you won't outline your beliefs. I read about 99%ers and can't see that you advocate anything more than increasing stimulus and extending unemployment. Is that your entire platform and if so, how would it help get the country back on track?

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        2. grayrough

          @Paulcolyte@jbmgarrett

          Ask Ron Paul what he likes about them Paul. You did notice that he didn't put them down when he was interviewed. It was posted right here on this silly political rag gabfest.

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        3. Paulcolyte

          @grayrough@jbmgarrett You'll really have to be more specific. I looked and don't see anything about Ron Paul mentioning the 99%ers. I can't find anyone endorsing them other than Ed Shultz and the MSNBC crew.

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        4. BrightonEllithorpe

          @grayrough NO...if RP loses, we all lose.

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    3. SteveWWallace

      Obvious to someone who has no faith or even hope that our country will ever see Freedom again. Further, we don't need luck, as we have skill and experience, not to mention the TRUTH on our side.

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  25. grayrough

    Christie's endorsement of Romney is probably the first really good indication that the tea party dragging the country more to the right is over. Romney is now a real threat and Romney is about as left as a Repub can be. Still a lost cause for the ordinary joe but better than the baggers and anything they ever offered.

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  26. Let Freedom Ring

    Its more effective to stand up for what you believe in then to go wasting your time putting down the people that you don't agree with!

    Ron Paul is a great example of this!

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    1. grayrough

      @Let Freedom Ring

      But when you support Ron Paul who is a loser and a dead end, what else are people supposed to do? We're only trying to tell you to stop losing! Stop choosing losers!

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  27. Let Freedom Ring

    America needs Ron Paul.

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  28. Paulcolyte

    I can't believe how low Paul is in the polls now and that Cain passed him. Are we headed for another establishment election? How do all these rino's keep getting so popular? Where's the tea party support for Paul?

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  29. verduci

    Have you heard of the Black This Out Moneybomb?

    https://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=181997088537471

    and http://www.blackthisout.com/

    It's 8 days away, and 11,000 people have already pledged to donate! Please help to spread the word!

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  30. kenwcreative

    Chris CHristie endorsed Romney!?!? LOL He flips more then a chef at a pancake house.

    How sad this is. I really don't understand what the hell is wrong with people.

    MUST. VOTE. STATUS. QUO.

    RON PAUL 2012

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    1. grayrough

      @kenwcreative

      Best choice because he's the only sensible choice. The rest are crazy teabaggers. So why don't you nutbars consider the reason why Massachusetts isn't going to ever give up Romney care? Hmmmm?

      Ya think it's because it offers the people some real freedom, not the kind of freedom that serves the right's purpose of ripping off the little people under the banner of freedom? You know, freedom in the form of healthcare that's too expensive to afford and doesn't serve 50 million people? You know, the kind of freedom you imagine but are afraid of thinking about too deeply?

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    2. grayrough

      @kenwcreative

      Well at least you get that right. Christie never was anything more than a fat pig rightie who played tough guy sometimes in order to impress people with that kind of routine. He was Ann Coulter's favorite, what more do I have to tell you? Keriste, you people have no idea at all do you!

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  31. RioSam

    Ron Paul isn't "beholden" to big money or big business or anyone else for that matter. There is only one thing he is "beholden" to and that would be the US Constitution. I don't know where you are getting your information from, unless it is all just a fantasy in your mind, because you couldn't be more wrong.

    RON PAUL 2012

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    1. grayrough

      @RioSam

      Soon you will again realize that you have been taken to the cleaners by Ron Paul and his whacko libertarian ramblings. On the upside of this, he won't be back to do you all again. And then you can all start over again, fulfilling the agenda of the Repub. right that keeps you where they want you. Powerless and harping on about the freedom ideas that serve their purposes. Pay attention now:As long as they can instill those nondescript 'freedom' ideas into your skulls, you will be powerless to help yourselves. Help yourselves to real freedom that is. think about that for a while and stop your stupid lemming like behavior.

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      1. kenwcreative

        @grayrough Lemming Like behavior.....sorry my friend but that sounds more like you. In all your posts you spew the same crap coming from the MSM, hello lemming.

        Wacko libertarian ideas, yeah, the constitution is wacko, freedom is wacko, Liberty is wacko, taking responsibility for yourself wacko.

        You sound like a neo-con who is scared that "We the people" are going to take our country back.

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        1. grayrough

          @kenwcreative

          Not scared of anything except the simple fact that you are going to be left in the lurch by Ron Paul. You won't look for real solutions because you're too busy blabbing away about constitutions and "we the people, liberty, and taking responsibility for yourself.

          I'm trying to tell you that the 'taking responsibility for yourself knnejerk crap is what the problem is. It's the right's way of saying that they have no responsibility. They're really just telling you, buy yourself a big bag of rice and forget about sharing the wealth of the country which you are entitled to. You don't deserve anything more. So go ahead and take responsibility for yourself and see where that gets you. Never pausing to face the plain fact that income inequality that's promoted by the wealthy is spoonfed to you. You being the simpleminded mutts you are, you accept it and will continue to do so. When Ron Paul is all finished and washed up, people like you still won't get it and will still swallow the publum. Obviously you are going nowhere at all. But at least I tried.

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        2. kenwcreative

          @grayrough Sharing the wealth. Are you freaking kidding me. If you want the wealth get up off your ass and take it. Don't bitch that the wealthy won't give me my share. Some of the wealthy actually worked their asses off for it and they deserve it. The ONLY responsibility of the wealthy could be to create jobs by opening businesses and creating a good product that the people want.

          Now if you got your wealth by Crony Capitalism well that's just wrong, and Ron Paul thinks this is wrong also. If you keep your wealth by finding loopholes in the tax system well that is wrong and Ron Paul thinks this is wrong also, but if you have busted your ass and the reward was wealth well good on you because that is what EVERY American should strive for.

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  32. Let Freedom Ring

    Ron Paul is the only choice for Americans who love freedom! The rest are just puppets.

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    1. grayrough

      @Let Freedom Ring

      You people are the puppets and Ron Paul is the puppet master pulling your strings. He offers you nothing but false hope. He prolongs the agony you live in by offering you pie in the sky ideas that will never fly. And soon you will have another president that will just continue your status quo and your miserable lots in life.

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    2. grayrough

      @Let Freedom Ring

      If freedom is the status quo where the poor and middleclass continue to get ripped off by the wealthy then that's what Ron Paul is for.

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      1. JoshBenson

        @grayrough @Let Freedom Ring You've been watching too much lamestream media. Don't bother wasting your time arguing with this guy. Just another shilling.

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        1. grayrough

          @JoshBenson@let

          You probably mean shill but you are illiterate to boot. You want people to listen to you?

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        2. JoshBenson

          @grayrough @JoshBenson @let Personal insults? Sorry my phone did that. Now we critique typos? You must be a genius gray. Maybe you should be running. Geez.

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  33. grayrough

    If Ron Paul would moderate his approach and get to a sensible workable agenda then he could find a niche that would appeal to the left, the right, and moderates too. Unfortunately he won't because he can't. He is beholden to the party he wants to represent. He's beholden to big money and big business. It's a philosophical problem with Ron. He can't be for the poor and middle class at the same time as he serves big business. He'll fail again miserably and for the final time. And soon be forgotten. His son won't step up to fill the void either because the son is even more enamored with the wealthy.

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    1. LibertyNow

      @grayrough

      Ron Paul wants to abolish the Fed and end corporate welfare. The banks, corporations and the media hate him for that. If we the people won't support Ron Paul it is our own fault; every country eventually gets the government its people deserve.

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      1. grayrough

        @LibertyNow

        No, the banks and corporations aren't really worried about Ron Paul because Ron doesn't stand a chance. He's not taken seriously. The only hope right now is with the 99% protests and the right could be a little worried about that! A little, but not a lot because it's premature as of yet.

        The reason the Repubs are playing their 'no, no, no' game is because they are fine and the status quo could contine as far as they are concerned. It's only when the little people are fed up and have had enough that the left, right, and center will come together and realize that their interests are all the same. Ron Paul's real agenda is not in line with that because he is too interested in holding up the old falacies of freedom. Read through the bullshit Ron is peddling and understand that his 'freedom' means allowing the rich and powerful to continue to do the same thing as always. Ron's a rightie at heart and he's got a lot of little people fooled into thinking that he's going to give them freedom, blah, blah, blah. He won't. Get over him unless he signs on to the 99% protests and starts to own it.

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        1. LibertyNow

          @grayrough

          What are the "old fallacies of freedom"? What is YOUR definition of freedom?

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        2. RioSam

          @grayrough@LibertyNow

          Ron Paul is totally for those protesting against big government bailouts of the Wall Street. And he also supports those protesting the Federal Reserve.

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        3. grayrough

          @LibertyNow

          Your definition of freedom is being told that you won't have to pay income tax anymore. You don't seem to understand that that's a big lie that's manufactured by Ron Paul to make you feel good. It's not reality and never will be. When Ron Paul is gone you will come to understand that finally.

          Pay attention to what the 99%ers are talking about and get on board with that. It's probably premature because the people aren't hurting enough yet and the powerful will short circuit it but at least it's a real agenda with real hope. As opposed to Ron Paul's pie in the sky nonsense. Do any of you really think that the American people would vote to bring the troops home? give your lame heads a shake!

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        4. grayrough

          @LibertyNow

          Freedom is the favorite catchall of the right. It'sinvented by them and used by them to further their purposes. Such as, freedom from paying taxes. A quick look at their agenda shows even the densest amongst you that it's freedom from them having to pay taxes and along with that comes more taxe for you or less services for you. The right isn't even keeping this a secret anymore. Smartern the fukk up before it's too late.

          Uhhhh no, it's already too late this time around.

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        5. stbartels12

          @grayrough@LibertyNow Sound to me like you need a WAKE UP CALL!!

          Ron Paul is the only one that is voting with the Constituion! He is the only one that actually studied that Constitution, and what the founding fathers wanted this country to be run like. He is the only one that will bring back this great nation from all the lies and tyranny that is in the white house. He will reduce the size of government.

          Did you know that the income tax started in 1913? That was when the Federal Revsere came into being. Did you also know that there were 2 others that the founding fathers killed?

          What is with the "Pay attention to what the 99%ers are talking about and get on board with that." So what you mean is don't think different, don't speak out against what is gone, don't protect when the government is not following the Constiution.

          Or what if 99% wanted to go to war with a country that has nothing to do with our security or anything else. Does that make it right to go to war?

          "Ron Paul's pie in the sky nonsense" - So I guess that the Constituion is pie in the sky nonsense, the Founding Fathers is pie in the sky nonsense, Freedom is pie in the sky nonsense, limited gov't pie in the sky nonsense, you get to keep 100% of your money is pie in the sky nonsense.

          You need to start thinking like an individual instead of what the 99%. You are an individual.

          Also at one time the 99% wanted a limited government, low taxes, freedom from the bankers and other that are controlling the money instead of the free market -- that was the revolution war and that is what this is right now.

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        6. grayrough

          @RioSam@LibertyNow

          No he's not. He halfheartedly supports the 99%ers but won't climb aboard with them to take back your share. Ron Paul is not for little people and obviously the Repub party that he is a part of never was either. Stop fooling yourselves with this old fool who offers you false hope. It's his blind alley and you are fast approaching the end of it. Then what are you going to do?

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        7. grayrough

          @stbartels12@LibertyNow

          My answer to you is as simple as: Ron Paul is going nowhere fast. It won't work and you'll be left in the lurch again. Soon you will see that I'm right but it will be too late. Big money will have you by the balls again for at least another 4 years.

          But even then you won't admit that I was right will you. That's because the right has sold you a bill of patriotic bullshit right from the cradle. I can tell by the way you talk that there's no awakening in your future. So why not write me off as a commie? YOu know you want to.

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        8. grayrough

          @LibertyNow

          Freedom is just a word that's promoted by the super wealthy. You accept it as a buzz word because it's a motherhood issue with you. Never once stopping to consider that your real freedom can never have anything to do with the freedom you give them in order for them to maintain the status quo. Freedom: freedom to earn as much money as the system will allow you to earn and to keep it all.What a sad joke at the expense of the common people. What a fool Ron Paul is to think it can continue to work. No liberty for you now or in the foreseeable future. You will continue to serve the very wealthy in yourposition as their serf.

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        9. Paulcolyte

          I'd still like to hear your definition of "freedom" grayrough. It's easy to point fingers, what solutions are you proposing? What would make us more free?

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        10. JoshBenson

          @grayrough @RioSam @LibertyNow Just another liberal shilling that wants what he's "entitled". Take your liberal nonsense somewhere else. This isn't about republicans, its about liberty fool!

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        11. stbartels12

          @grayrough Okay, now you got me wondering.

          What do you believe in?

          What do you think this country was build upon?

          What do you think of the founding fathers?

          What is freedom to you?

          What is sound money?

          What does the Constitution mean?

          What does peace mean?

          What does limited government mean?

          What is the roll of government?

          What is the Federal Reserve?

          I am curious with what you have been awaken from that I have not been. Please tell me, I tell want to know.

          Ron Paul 2012!!!!!

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        12. grayrough

          @Paulcolyte

          First of all, get past the election because it's too late now to fix anything. And by then you will understand that Ron Paul took you for a ride. Then you could have a look at the agenda of the 99%ers and pick out what their good ideas are. They know that big money and wall street and payoffs to politicians are what the problems are. They won't be a cohesive force this time because big money will kill their ideas (with the help of you and people like you) but they are lighting the right fires for the future. It will be yours to grasp hold of but you have to lose the constitution bullshit and the rich's concept of freedom that they have sold you first. Be patient Paul, the delay is only of your own making.

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        13. grayrough

          @stbartels12

          stbartels, I'll answer one of your questions because that's all that's really necessary. "What is freedom to you?"

          Freedom to me is choosing a path that will allow us to bread free of the status quo mold that the wealthy have brainwashed you people into accepting. And that can't be done with Ron Paul. You know that don't you. You know it's going to take a grassroots movement that starts to resemble revolution before the very wealthy will let go of everything they've stolen from the people. You people need to start thinking of how you're going to make it happen. You need to begin to understand that the left are your friends and your real enemy is the very wealthy. All people need to come together as a force for the poor and the middleclass in order to make it work.

          Unfortunately you will have to wait until Ron Paul is history before you can even start. The reason being, you can't give up the false hope you have in him yet. You will though.

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        14. BrightonEllithorpe

          @grayrough@RioSam@LibertyNow I'm starting to feel like Gray is just butthurt that Ron Paul is not joining up and bringing his support and media attention to the little wallstreet thing. First of all, if any of those protesters wanted to accomplish something, they would be outside the FED and Whitehouse.

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        15. BrightonEllithorpe

          @grayrough No I finally got it everyone... haha... I couldn't figure out why I kept agreeing here and there with Gray's statements. He just may be too ignorant to realize he DOES in fact support Ron Paul.... he is just blind like the rest of the picketers who are focusing on the banks on wallstreet as if they are to blame, rather than adressing the unconstitutional practices and outstretching of our gov into the markets that is the root cause. ...Also pretty much Ron Paul's pillar of his platform. This is like a "lambchops sing-along argument". It will never end until someone *cough! cough!* cough!* gets himself a birds-eye view of this whole "corrupt government/ monetary system" thing. Pfffff.

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      2. RioSam

        @LibertyNow@grayrough

        Right On!

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    2. RioSam

      Ron Paul isn't "beholden" to anyone, least of all big money or big business. I don't know where you are getting your information from, unless this is all just a fantasy in your mind, but you couldn't be more wrong. The only thing he is "beholden" to is the US Constitution.

      RON PAUL 2012

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      1. grayrough

        @RioSam

        He's running as a Republican. That's all you need to understand. And that doesn't mean that he needs to run as a Dem either. He needs to get a workable agenda and run as an independent. He won't and he can't because you aren't ready for a change from the status quo. Ron Paul will fail and he will take down any hope that you ever had with him. You'll probably get a Repub in his place and you know how that's workin out for ya!

        Wake up folks, you'rebeing taken to the cleaners again. I know I'm right and you know in your hearts too that Ron Paul is going nowhere.

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  34. Chris Pike

    Tell em what's up!

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  35. grayrough

    If there were any serious candidates Ron Paul wouldn't be there wasting everybody's time. But if Ron Paul ever comes close to winning a debate for real then that's when it will get interesting. So far the other candidates are ignoring him because they know he's not a serious contender with ideas tht need to be disputed and challenged. And the minute Ron Paul's whacko ideas are challenged is when that will be the end of old Ron Paul. Again and forever!

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    1. stbartels12

      I have to disagree, because all the other candidates are starting to speak kind of like Ron Paul. The only reason why they don't want to go up against him is he has history and facts backing up all his agurments. He isn't saying what most people want to hear --- he is saying what Americans NEED to hear!

      They don't challenge his ideas because they all know in their hearts that he is right. And if his ideas are wacky, you and everyone else must think that the Constiution is wacky, that freedom is wacky, that peace is wacky, having a limited gov't is wacky, that not getting raped by the TSA is wacky, having congressman that follow the Constitution is wacky, having a gov't that follows the Constitution is wacky, the Founding Fathers are then wacky!

      Ron Paul is a serious candidate that is why they don't want to challange him, they know they will lose to his idea, because his ideas are what the Founding Fathers wanted, and fought so hard for to give to us and get are letting is slip between our fingers.

      Ron Paul 2012!

      Never Stop Fighting For Freedom!

      Paul's ideas are the freedom ideas! His ideas are what the founding fathers wanted in a president. I think that he is the only candidate that is actually qualified to lead this great nation, the others don't want people to be free!

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      1. grayrough

        @stbartels12

        To address a few of your points. To begin with, the constitution and the founding fathers is just sentimental pap and a waste of peple's time. They can be interpreted a dozen different ways. One of your issues to address though is Ron Paul's antiwar stance. Sure, it makes a lot of sense but the American people are not onside with it. Especially not the Repubs who never will be but not even the Dems have a heart for it. Too bad though because it could be a fix for the problems. It won't be and Ron Paul is foolish for bringing it forward in the manner he does.

        Having a limited government sounds great, as does eliminating income tax completely, but neither are practical and workable of course. It's fine to talk about limited government but to talk about it in his context of limitation is just plain over the edge. It's just not serious.

        cont'd.....

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        1. grayrough

          @stbartels12

          If any of the other candidates are starting to echo Ron Paul then they are hooking in to his 'feel good' rhetoric to please people who want to feel good and are not interested in practical solutions. Flag waving and telling people what country is the greatest, blah, blah, blah, are always winners. the trouble is, it lacks substance.

          If Ron Paul were to become a serious contender, the others wouldn't be standing there with a silly smirk on their faces, as the santorum does. As the others have been observed doing. The leader would have to debate him and that's where Ron Paul's 'over the top' libertarian agenda would be tested. I doubt it will ever get to that point but I sure would like to hear and see it. In my opinion it would spell the end of the ridiculous libertarian nonsense once and for all.

          All one need do is look at his ideas in detail with a clear mind and one will quickly see that his ideas are impossible and unworkable. That includes ending the wars because that's not popular with the people. Think about it a little and drop the feel good rhetoric and we will discuss it further perhaps.

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        2. RioSam

          @grayrough@stbartels12

          The people of this country are sick and tired of this nonstop war crap. The troops are definitely sick of it, which is why Ron Paul gets more financial support than the rest of the candidates put together....yes, his ideas are a total 180 of the norm. But they are what this country needs and many people want as well. Further more, if you truly believe that our Constitution is nothing more than sentimental crap then why don't you go to some other country and live...You are the last kind of person this country needs!

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        3. kenwcreative

          @grayrough

          " the constitution and the founding fathers is just sentimental pap and a waste of peple's time."

          WOW well that explains it all.

          Please do us a favor, pack you bags and leave. Go to a country that doesn't have that sentimental pap and when you want to come home we just might let you come back.

          Freaking Sad.

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        4. grayrough

          @kenwcreative

          I'm just trying to tell you kenny, the founding fathers and the constitution crap is just the very wealthy's way of making you feel good by supporting it. It's sacred kenny and they know people have a hard time seeing through it and putting it down for the gaming it really is. It's not important. What's important is choosing a path that can lead to freedom for the middle class and the poor. Ron Paul isn't it and you will learn that soon now.

          Do you even know what a motherhood issue is kenny?

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        5. grayrough

          @RioSam@stbartels12

          People like you riosam are what the super wealthy right need. You are totally indoctrinated and your type ensure that nothing will change. Your enemies who you don't recognize are thrilled that you're wasting time on an old fool like Ron Paul.

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