33 responses to “Is Ron Paul Right on Israel?”

  1. DeWayne

    Americans unfortunately are subject to a government and Corp-Media that fear rightfully a very dangerous and wealthy Zionist (secular/political) organization.

    Due to ignorance even due to Christian leaders, very few are aware devout (true) Jewish had after the 70AD scattering (as biblically described) into all nations, still composed a fair number that did not leave. These Jewish and more in centuries following (70AD-1900′s) numbered at one time 300,000 living in peace within Palestine and with their Arab/Muslim neighbors.

    These Jewish according to Torah could not re-establish Israel, for 2000-years Jewish lived in obedience (70AD-1940′s), until secular Zionism told British Lord Balfour that they wanted help setting up a “Jewish Homeland” in Palestine… remember devout Jewish had established this “Homeland” 2000-years before secular Zionism formed in year-1897… Zionisn being rejected by Jewish as directed by religious leaders (however regarding Zionism see Theodore Herzl’s ‘Der Judenstaat’ meaning Jewish State published in year-1896).

    Read my in depth research making clear important difference between devout and obedient Jewish (or Israeli-people), and this Zionist Apartheid of Palestine. Apparently click on my name as a link.

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  2. Robert valdez

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_political_violence

    …Zionist political violence refers to acts of violence committed by Zionists in the British Mandate of Palestine for political reasons, mainly to advance the creation of Israel, a Jewish state.

    Actions were carried out by individuals and Jewish paramilitary groups such as the Irgun, the Lehi, the Haganah and the Palmach as part of a conflict between Zionists, British authorities, and resident Arabs, regarding land, immigration, and Jewish national aspirations.[1]

    British soldiers and officials, United Nations personnel, Palestinian Arab fighters and civilians, and Jewish fighters and civilians were targets or victims of these actions. Domestic, commercial, and government property, infrastructure, and material were also attacked.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irgun_attacks

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(group)

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/world-war-2/8425271/MI5-files-Zionist-terrorist-plotted-to-kill-Winston-Churchill.html

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    1. Robert valdez

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1243307.stm

      …Saudi Arabia’s mufti, the highest religious authority in the conservative Muslim state, has banned the popular children’s play of Pokemon, saying it promotes Zionism and involves gambling….

      …The game has been criticised in several countries, with a Christian church in Mexico calling it “demonic”, and organisations in Slovakia saying television shows based on the game were detrimental to children. …

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  3. ProudTEX

    Israel govt most fascist in history’

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j13Zq3BH9eg

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  4. Peter E

    I suspect that if Israel lost its US subsidies, then it would die a natural death.

    Israel is a state that grew out of terrorism (zionist terrorist were responsible for the death of nearly 1000 British soldiers) and has been a source of trouble ever since. Perhaps its time to pull the plug on this thorn in the side of humanity?

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  5. ProudTEX
  6. ironsights

    The real question though is if Paul were President and Israel attacked or were attacked by her enemies would Paul lift a finger to come to her aid?

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    1. Robert valdez

      @ironsights

      The Congress is authorized to declare War and not the President. The real question is whether or not CONGRESS will declare War or not under the circumstances ironsights describes. As it stands we are fighting several Wars undeclared without any idea what defines victory and done in a poitical way and not in a way that our military can go in and get the job done and then come home. Moreover, there are numerous special interests that benefit from these wars and most Americans can’t even tell why we are there. Israel can defend herself in most cases and War isn’t something to go into lightly.

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      1. ironsights

        @Robert valdez Your response obfuscates the issue as the collective response of Congress is not in question here but rather Paul’s individual position and potential response specifically. Paul can state that he supports Israel but to what extent? Does that mean he only supports the right of Israel to defend herself? OR does that also mean that he will also support US military intervention and assistance to Israel should such a need arise?

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        1. Robert valdez

          @ironsights

          The undefined hypothetical scenario described is already obfuscated. Applying Constitutional powers to the Presidency that are SPCIFICALLY given to Congress is a further obfuscation of the issue. Defining what Israel “needs” when they are a soverign nation is like presuming the US president must know their needs better than Israel’s citizens and govt. itself. The problem is with the question and all the presumptions that America is supposed to be involved at every level of multiple foreign govt. decisions. Are we supposd to be the USA or the Policeman of the World? And with all the handouts are we ultimately just answering to special interests or do we really believe the Isralis can’t make decisions and make their own treaties better than Washington? We can’t trust Washington to run healthcare or a car company and we suppose Washington can solve the Middle East’s problems? If the Israelis need help, I’m sure they will ask and Congress can decide what to do, including targeting certain terrorists as has been done in the past US history when dealing with non-government threats.

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        2. ironsights

          @Robert valdez

          gee never thought a simple and legitimate question on what a certain presidential candidate might do regarding the execution of his foreign policy paradigm in a given situation would be met by so much resistance and red herring argumentation

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        3. Robert valdez

          @ironsights

          The US Constitution is distinctly different from an odd looking fish. When it comes to Ron Paul, it is always relevant. If more Americans would resist when the Constitution is ignored and/or disobeyed, then perhaps we would not lose thousands of our service men fighting undefined illegitamate wars. A question can be legitamate and simple, but still loaded with presumptions. By not addressing those presumptions any reader would assume those presumptions to be true. Just because it is usual and customary for Presidential candidates to ignore The Constitution, it does not make it right.

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        4. ironsights

          @Robert valdez

          Let us then remove the “presumptions” if you will and also the straw man standing in our midst and propose a different framework which I hope will get to the heart of the matter and yield a straightforward answer. Although Congress has the power to officially declare war, the President as Commander In Chief is still relatively free to order a variety of military actions notwithstanding the absence of an official declaration of war from Congress. Given this, would Paul 1) take the initiative to go to Congress and seek Congressional approval for a declaration of war to assist Israel? 2) As Commander In Chief order various military activities short of declaring war? Or, 3) Stand down allowing Israel to wage war on her own?

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        5. Robert valdez

          @ironsights

          I tend to feel it is next to impossible to predict what will happen next in the Middle East, so I do not know what scenario we are talking about but here are 2 sources of information and related quotes to your question:

          http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/national-defense/

          …as Commander-in-Chief, Dr. Paul will lead the fight to:

          * Follow the Constitution by asking Congress to declare war before one is waged.

          http://www.ronpaul2012.com/2011/12/29/ron-paul-and-israel-respect-commerce-and-honest-friendship/

          …He believes that U.S. military power should be used only as a last resort in order to protect core U.S. national interests and not as part of an ambitious and costly strategy to force other countries to follow American dictates and embrace American ideals. …

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        6. Robert valdez

          @ironsights

          The character limit here prevents large consise quotes. Also check out this site and section. It cites a Book By Ron Paul.

          http://www.issues2000.org/2012/Ron_Paul_Foreign_Policy.htm

          No foreign aid; no treaties that commit US to future wars

          Source: A Foreign Policy of Freedom, by Ron Paul, p.369 , Jun 15, 2007

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  7. ProudTEX

    First of all, I got to thank you for calling me Ron Paul Supporter.

    I am sure you are listening to FOX and CNN and the is the problem you calling me that I sound like Yasir Arafat but that is fine too because as far as UN goes, they have for more resolution on Israel then on any country on earth -You may check UN site for that.

    You’ve also mentioned two state solutions since 1948. I wonder why 48 why not before or after. Is it because of what happen in Germany to Jews? Why not any other location in the world? Why chose Palestine?

    So I wonder who is the Invented one in that area since 1948?

    Palestine before 1948

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGBoGKPZlQE

    Palestine Pre-1947

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=vjEBQ_bE7uA

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    1. fake_ear

      @ProudTEX

      Good videos, jp. Didn’t look like propaganda to me. Looked like an objective observation.

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  8. ProudTEX

    First of all, I got to thank you for calling me Ron Paul Supporter.

    I am sure you are listening to FOX and CNN and the is the problem you calling me that I sound like Yasir Arafat but that is fine too because as far as UN goes, they have for more resolution on Israel then on any country on earth -You may check UN site for that.

    You’ve also mentioned two state solutions since 1948. I wonder why 48 why not before or after. Is it because of what happen in Germany to Jews? Why not any other location in the world? Why chose Palestine?

    So I wonder who is the Invented one in that area since 1948?

    RON PAUL – 2012

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  9. lem90

    Arabs and Islam are not synonymous, I agree that it is the dominating religion, but there are many Arab Jews, and Arab Christians in that region of the world, and they have always lived peacefully. Bethlehem, in fact, was the birth place of Christianity. This is by no means a religious issue! We “Arab/Muslims” are not taught to kill anyone, your ignorance is astounding. People are not dying over their religions they are dying over taken land and displacement and are rightfully defending themselves from modern globalization, funded by powerful countries. It is conveniently easy to blame Islam and sympathize with Israel because of the current fears of Islam, particularly used as propaganda by the Western Media to defend the current acts of interference (Iraq) by the U.S. After WWII Israel was almost planted in Somalia but a push from the U.S put them in the Middle East in order to plant allies in that part of the world. I guarantee you if that country was formed in Somalia there would be the same resistance to globalization and the issue would not be religious. Please get your facts straight!

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    1. lem90

      By the way you might want to reconsider posting a blatantly biased article next time.

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  10. Robert valdez

    Hey Dennis Johnson,

    Why not comment on the the message and lay off on attacking the messenger? Attacking the messenger is a sure sign of retardation and we don’t want you to look bad.

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  11. JohnFrew

    Ok can’t believe isreal is still an issue after so many years, like why bother giving them nukes if America still has to hold there hands. They have there big boy pants on. Even if Iran had a nuke, it’s one nuke against 300 isreal nukes and 1000s of American nukes Iran would be ash if they tried something

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  12. Dennis Johnson

    What a bunch of Donks. You’re all as retarded as this Mutt you blindly are in love with. Ron Paul is completely insane. Take a close look at him when he is ranting. If you can’t see his mental retardation, that’s because you’re retarded too.

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  13. DEVONECO

    He’s the only candidate amongst the Republicans who’s primary interest is USA and its people – and not other countries unlike most of the other candidates who are talking of other countries and visiting them as soon as they (if they) are elected. I think Ron Paul is by far the only sensible and reasonable candidate who can turn things around for this country and get it out of the economic quagmire it is in today. A for the other GOP candidates, they are humorously entertaining to watch – and “fodder” for Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert!

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  14. Robert valdez

    Cgrl seems to be missing the point. Ron Paul isn’t going to MAKE jews and Arab/Muslims live happily side by side. However, they would be free to make agreements without special interests in the US dictating who wins and who loses, leaving the US hated and broke. Having a foriegn polcy tied to billions of dollars being handed out forever will ensure that the problems never end. As long as the US is giving away free money, we will be financing the special interests that thrive on war and conflict. it is the best interst of jews and muslims alike to work out thier own differences. US aid has not brought a stable peace in over 50 years. Americans don’t understand Middle East politics and agendas, yet we pour billions into the region and we get blamed for everything that goes wrong. Perhaps it’s time for the people on both sides of that conflict to spend their own money and hold their own leaders accountable.

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  15. NewCovenantThinker

    1911 Brittanica entry on Zionism/Zionists – “Between 1897 and 1910 the Zionist organization held NINE INTERNATIONAL CONGRESSES. At the first, which met at Basel, a political programme was adopted on the following terms: — “Zionism aims at establishing for the Jewish people a publicly and legally assured home IN PALESTINE.” Yo, Gingrich, the EVER GUILTY ONE, just who are the invented people? The Zionists are the invented people, invented through STOLEN bank funds!! Get lost, you traitor!!

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  16. NewCovenantThinker

    1911 Brittanica entry on Zionism/Zionists – “Between 1897 and 1910 the Zionist organization held nine international Congresses. At the first, which met at Basel, a political programme was adopted on the following terms: — “Zionism aims at establishing for the Jewish people a publicly and legally assured home IN PALESTINE.” Yo, Gingrich, the EVER GUILTY ONE, just who are the invented people? The Zionists are the invented people, invented through STOLEN bank funds!! Get lost, your traitor!!

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  17. Robert valdez

    We seem to be on a course for war with Iran. Such a war would likely kill hundreds of thousands of Iranian if not millions. Do we really have to stay on this course? It seems that regardless of what the Iranians do, we can still kill them if they act badly. So do we need to make the war inevitable? Americans used to be angry at Japan for premtive war (first strike). Do we care who bombs who first anymore? Does all our military aid money help special interests in foriegn countries? Could we be creating a class of special interests that would benefit from war and not peace? What is US foriegn policy? Do we have any kind of strategy the American people can understand? Ron Paul’s foriegn policy is understandable. The other candidates seem to only move us towards another war to kill thousands of our troops and hundreds of thousands of Iranians. Do we have to do this?

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  18. dorrian

    more people

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  19. dorrian

    i thought there would be more in here talking about the debate

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  20. dorrian

    i think hes right about iran but wish he would speak with more authority when he talks about it

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  21. ProudTEX

    Is Ron Paul Right on Israel? Absolutely!

    Israel needs a leader like Ron Paul to negotiate and start using their diplomat around their neighborhood rather than guns and artilleries. What makes it worse is that we continue to support them with more and more weapons and that is the number one reason Israel continues to use them carelessly against their neighbor and the cycle of violence never ends. They need to stop demolishing Palestinian home. They need to give Palestinian their right to retune to their land.

    Do remember that the Jews themselves lived side by side with Muslim for a long time and they need to bring that back and it is possible and I can easily say this again if we can have a person like Ron Paul there.

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    1. dwight

      @ProudTEX Should Jordan and Syria also give the oalestinians their land back aswell?

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