Paul makes history in first-in-nation voting state
With 99% of precincts reporting, Ron Paul came in a strong third at the Iowa caucuses, gaining 21% of the vote.
- Mitt Romney 30,015 votes (25%)
- Rick Santorum 30,007 votes (25%)
- Ron Paul 26,219 votes (21%)
- Newt Gingrich 16,251 votes (13%)
- Rick Perry 12,604 votes (10%)
- Michele Bachmann 6,073 votes (5%)
- Jon Huntsman 745 votes (1%)
The Ron Paul 2012 Presidential campaign is celebrating a great victory with its strong top-three finish at the Iowa Caucus. Below please find comments from Ron Paul 2012 National Campaign Chairman Jesse Benton:
“The Ron Paul campaign is celebrating a great victory tonight.
There were three tickets out of Iowa, and Ron Paul earned one of them.
One of the three tickets, the one belonging to Rick Santorum, is a dead-end due to Santorum’s weak fundraising and lack of national campaign organization.
This is now a two way race between establishment candidate Mitt Romney and the candidate for real change, Ron Paul.
Ron Paul has a top notch national organization, tremendous fundraising prowess, and unequaled enthusiasm among his volunteers and supporters.
Dr. Paul has taken the first step towards earning the delegates it will take to be the GOP nominee and is the only candidate not named Mitt Romney with the ability to do so.
Ron Paul is now off to New Hampshire, South Carolina, Louisiana, Nevada, Maine, North Dakota, Washington, Colorado, and beyond.
See you on the campaign trail.”
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@voting for someone else
Baffling, stupid and naive to even think Paul would post that.
That said, he’d better monitor what is posted under his name, or they’ll screw up for him AGAIN, like with those newsletters.
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In a warm climate, no man will labour for himself who can make another labour for him. This is so true, that of the proprietors of slaves a very small proportion indeed are ever seen to labour. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that his justice cannot sleep for ever: that considering numbers, nature and natural means only, a revolution of the wheel of fortune, an exchange of situation, is among possible events: that it may become probable by supernatural interference!
~Thomas Jefferson
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Political Rap http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cF1D7fDRbQ0
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I think somewhere there is a published record that can show the voter how the state recorded each Iowans vote by precinct. Maybe people should check this record for discrepancies.
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Weird all the polls I looked at before the votes were in suggested Paul was tied with first…and that was with Mitt…
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Ron Paul crossing the Potomac
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7007/6617644643_802ca13fff_z.jpg
INSPIRING!!!!
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I watched all of Ron Paul’s youtube videos on debates and interviews on air. I am impressed with his consistency over many years. I want to help him out, but how can I in Chicago? Where are the Chicago caucus voting at. I have at least 10 people that will vote for Ron Paul or whoever I convince them of. I am lower middle class with limited funds. I can only preach Ron Paul’s ideas to those around me. How can I help Ron Paul get a fair shake in the media darkness he gets? I really want prosperity for our country with Ron Paul’s ideas. He makes the only sense out there. I believe him to be true to his word because of his past statements are still the same in the present without flip- flopping.
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@RonPaulandProsperityFan Hi,
With limited funds, you can join the phone bank 2012 and call from your home prospective Ron Paul voters. Check the Ron Paul official website or the Ron Paul 2012 Daily. Another inexpensive way is to place bumper stickers on your car. You can purchase that from the official website under products or you can order from the RonPaul Products.com. You can make your own banners or yard signs. You can become a precinct captain.
Welcome to supporting Ron Paul. Here’s a good video about Ron Paul and share it.
http://tekgnosis.typepad.com/tekgnosis/2012/01/ron-paul-many-people-who-watch-this-whole-video-change-their-vote.html
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I like your screen name. I consider myself a real liberal, in the Frederic Bastiat sense. That is a social liberal and economic liberal (English sense means civil liberties and FREE MARKETS)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQQxEHAh3Cc&feature=g-all-u&context=G29f3128FAAAAAAAAFAA
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btw ron paul said he didnt tweet this check the last minute in the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQQxEHAh3Cc&feature=g-all-u&context=G29f3128FAAAAAAAAFAA
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Hi guys, I’m from Townsville, Australia and although I obviously can’t show my support by voting, I wanted everyone to know that Ron Paul has a large following here as well. Unfortunately our media follows the same example of bias as MSM everywhere else. If my government (which was decided by three independents) is going to blindly follow the US, I’d prefer they followed Ron Paul.
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All I desire is individual freedom, free enterprise, fiscal responsibility, no further economic control over our lives & currency by the FED, and end to foreign interventionism (and the concomitant saving of lives and money), and an adherence to the Bill of Rights … for ALL Americans regardless of national origin, religion, or economic status. IS there anything WRONG with such a desire?
If somone says there IS something wrong with my desire, then I request 2 things:
1) Tell me HOW my desire is WRONG, and
2) Tell me explicitly WHAT you (that someone) would desire instead.
I am anxious to learn how/if I am wrong and WHAT would be MORE desirable.
For those who SHARE my above desire, then the ONLY candidate who could help to achieve such a desire is DR. RON PAUL. Thus, I support him not for his “party affiliation” or for ANY OTHER REASON other than I believe he also has the above desire for all Americans.
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You would imagine that those are values to be embraced, however, as you know, not everyone embraces true values, just like not everyone embraces the laws of the land… It is sad but true… there are those that simply want to embrace evil and take life the hard way around… Ron Paul obviously represents true American Values… some people love chaos and contempt… there are also some people that are spoiled rotten, that have become comfortable with their handouts and leverage… afraid that they will lose their positions of comfort… Federal employees that would be cut, school teachers that are being coerced into believing they will be cut, government run programs… The problem that many haven’t come to grips with, is we are capsizing, and the party is over… Ron Paul is the only obvious life support system we have in place currently… a purest with the gumption to return us to our roots and willing to take on the elitist in doing so… The holdouts won’t realize this until it is over! They will be the ones crying the loudest!
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@GaryNolan So true Gary. I am 100% with you. Unfortunately, SO MANY Americans have forgotten that we CAN NOT have freedom and equality in America. We have such an entitlement driven society that even the news media is on the side of the “99%”. The class warfare needs to stop before every last job leaves and goes to China. What is even scarier is that I see this entitlement especially in young people. We have the best capibilities to share and spread conservative values with the internet and yet there seems to still be a mass bias against us that is still growing. We need to reward the best and brightest here in America with policy that allows them to succeed- not allienate them for working hard and achieving something. We also need a monitary policy that allows people that have worked hard their whole lives to keep that and not allow the value of their dollars to drop!! This “anything to maintain growth” strategy by the FED is rediculous. The longer it goes on the harder the eventual fall will be.
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Good, we don’t want sissies on Pauls side – its a REVOLUTION
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Agree.
He should also do a better job of explaining the reasons he has for cutting the 5 departments. For instance, the department of Education……he should elaborate that since the start of this department US test scores have dropped in all categories (math, science etc) and the cost per pupil had more than doubled. So, twice the money with half the results. Standardized testing is a waste of time and money. After 12 years of public education our kids should be a lot smarter and prepared for the world at large.
He should explain that if we weren’t paying so much federal tax that the states could tax for the difference. The money for education doesn’t have to leave the state.
Otherwise, people will believe that he is anti education.
Go Ron Paul. Time to take the gloves off.
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What do you expect from the British Brainwashing Corporation…we have Fox and CNN to tell us how and what to think.
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You had no intention of voting for Ron Paul….you are just a paid basher….or incredibly stupid to change your mind over such a non issue. All other candidates are for more wars with your tax dollars. Get real!!
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We have to donate! The media constantly tries to downplay his success because he isn’t in bed with special interests – so we need to give him TONS of money so his campaign can run more ads.
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Agree!! If we are going to win this we need to do so by a landslide, otherwise the voting machines will skew the data. We need a check and balance system with these awful black box voting machines @luckycharmz336
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I totally Agree! If we can equip Ron Paul with SUPER FULL pockets, our pockets will be a lot fuller long term. He’s the only one that will do ANYTHING AGGRESSIVE as far as cutting spending @joe2012
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@luckycharmz336
When’s the next Moneybomb? Sad to say but I like to keep my annual contributions to under $200 so that my name, address, occupation, and employer name does not get published. I donated $0 so far in 2012 and want to participate in the next moneybomb for Dr. Paul.
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please spread the word on Ron Paul! He is the hope for America and the world! Government/corporate owned media ignores him!!! The people will speak loud and clear!!
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I want to know who won the delegates!!!
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@TelFiRE Ron Paul, Mitt Romney, Rick Santorum each got 7 delegates.
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@TelFiRE Ron Paul, Mitt Romney, Rick Santorum each got 7 delegates.
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Actually man, I did a bit of further research, and while it is clear that the establishment wants to confuse and obfuscate the actual process, it seems the state delegates are not awarded until national. County delegates were elected at the Caucus and apparently Ron Paul feels pretty confident that he will get more delegates.
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Sorry, I just continue the previous post bellow, I had too much characters to type:
47.63% counted
paul 11972 22
romney 13011 24
santor 13339 24
49,49% counted
paul 12205 22
romney 13204 24
santor 13594 24
53,78% counted
paul 13145 22
romney 14205 24
santor 14606 24
82.81% counted
paul 21634 21%
romney 25335 25%
santor 24745 24%
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@Jean-FrancoisBeaulieu I did a quick check on the first 3 (15.9, 18.21, 24.41) by plugging these into a spreadsheet program I wrote just for you and found no issues with the numbers you posted. I would be happy to look into this further for you if you’d like to point out specifically where you think there is a problem. Don’t forget to consider that vote for OTHER along with the big 3. As long as a vote total doesn’t go down for a particular candidate including OTHER, how can we be sure there is conspiracy here? Please be careful looking for conspiracy around every corner folks. I support the TRUTH and Liberty for America. This race is FAR from over folks.
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As I said earlier elsewhere:
I kept track of the vote, I don’t know how it is counted but something is really weird. I don’t know if it is statistically possible as we know what the establishment prefers. When they publish a poll, with 1,000 people polled they usually give an error margin of 1%. So accounting for the fact that the first results that I had concerned about 15,000 people the error margin should be much less than 1%. The funny aspect is when you substract the number of votes to get just the incremental part between two results, at some point Paul was even bellow 20% for the extra slices.
So here what we had:
when 15.9% of the vote was counted
paul 3821 24%
romney 3650 23%
santor 3636 23%
18.21% counted
paul 4440 24
romney 4183 23
santor 4292 23
24.41% counted
paul 6018 23
romney 6060 23
santor 6067 23
30,33% counted
paul 737523
romney 7425 23
santor 7358 23
30,89% counted
paul 7655 23
romney 7844 23
santor 7726 23
45.55% counted
paul 11117 22
romney 12124 24
santor 12231 24
47.46% counted
paul 11830 22
romney 12907 24
santor 13153 24
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Ron Paul & Family:
In one frame of video, I caught a glimpse of what the Ron Paul family actually looks like!
http://wexblog.prwexler.com/2012/01/04/two-family-portraits-of-the-paul-family-do-his-wife-ti-and-their-son-lala.aspx
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k so anything else think those numbers a bit fishy? both 30k and sanatorum…?!?! so he will once again be a unknown and get the hell out in 2 weeks.
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Even if Paul got support from democrats or independants in the primary, how is that a bad thing? If the choice is Obama or Ron Paul, I am confident that 100% of inteligent republicans would do the right thing and vote for the GOP candidate. The key will be getting out of the primary. I think more ammo against Romney will be needed other then the lack of social conservatism as shown by his health care program and flip flop on the life issue. Most voters care about the economy this year and rightly so. Not to defend Romney, but at least his explanation on the flip flops makes a little sense. We have to dig deeper on this, perhaps take a foot note from the other establishment candidate that fell- Neut. By showing the public he took money from Fannie and Freddie he quickly lost support as he action proved he is ONLY out for personal financial gain and power and not for the rights of Americans. Maybe we can attack Romney from where his contributions are coming from or dig up some stuff from he corprate days.
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@Scott R Yeah and I read on the RonPaul2012 web site that 48% of the people under 30 who voted in the Iowa caucus voted for Ron Paul, most of them do not consider themselves Republican, yet registered Republican to vote for Dr. Paul.
I’m the same way but in my 50s. I am a libertarian from decades ago – even was going door to door handing out leaflets for Ed Clark for President in 1980 when I was 21. After my state’s primary, I will change my registration from Republican to Libertarian. It would be interesting if tens of thousands of people did the same. It would indicate people registered Republican only because of Ron Paul, and will gladly change to whatever their other party was when they are done with the Republican primaries. It will be a slap in the face of the mainstream neo conservatives.
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David Duke and Don Black are crying in their soup over at KKK headquarters.
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Why don’t you shut the fuck up you stupid asshole. Go troll somewhere else scum. @ScrappyDoo
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@decembre I think decembre, like most Ron Paul supporters, just wants to talk about the issues. He takes issue with the name-calling that’s directed at the Paul campaign. People only resort to such name-calling because they can’t refute the genius of Ron Paul.
Yeah, that was sarcasm.
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I understand how difficult it was for you that your parents didn’t clean your vomit but please, don’t ask us to clean you up, be responsible, wipe off your mouth by yourself before you talk in public. Your hate serves no purpose but pleasing egoistic little self.
People here don’t need to be reasonned but to pick-up the peaces and keep up the good work, learn from the defeat that it’s only a defeat, not the end of the game, there will be more fights and the energy must be focused on the next victory. Go Ron Paul, from a follower in French Canada.@ScrappyDoo
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Okay guys, your man came in third place. Usually a third place finish is quite admirable, but you guys shot your mouths off about winning, so third place now looks pretty lame. A full fifty percent voted for Santorum and Romney.
And now this: according to Langer Research, the public opinion polling firm of ABC News, a full six in ten Paul voters were not actual Republicans. Well duh. Do you think it might be time to drop the stupid meme about Paul being the “only real Republican”?
https://twitter.com/#!/zbyronwolf/statuses/154375599970992128
Okay, so you cheated. You brought in ringers. Sixty percent of your people weren’t even Republicans, they were just there to be spoliers. And you still can’t get more than 22% of the vote? If you’re going to cheat, at least win.
By my calculations, Ron Paul’s proportion of the vote would have been about eight percent if he hadn’t brought in all of those ringers to cheat for him.
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@ScrappyDoo Hey Scrappy – this is EXACTLY why Ron Paul can win.
Let’s face it – no Republican can win a general election without Independents and Democrats. Period. Can’t happen. The fact that people have taken the time to “cross over” should tell you something about Paul’s momentum.
Most of this country is apathetic politically. To actually awaken people and make them active, as Paul’s campaign has done, is nothing short of astounding. He got the same amount of delegates as the Repub groomed candidate (by that, I mean Romney).
Dems and Indies won’t cross for Romney. Why would they? There’s basically no difference between him and Obama. Ron Paul is a sane voice among warmongers; no small feat given the fact that he stands alone against the onslaught. What a great humanitarian. What a principled man.
I am a registered Democrat who voted Green in the last presidential election. I am registering Republican to vote for Ron Paul in the California primary.
And he can win it.
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@Loan Auditor@ScrappyDoo I agree Loan Auditor. If Romney or Gingrich wins the nomination, it will be an automatic win for Barack Obama. Ron Paul stands the greatest chance for Republicans to take back the White House. I am a libertarian and registered Republican only to vote in my state’s primary. I will change back to Libertarian after I vote for Ron Paul.
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@ScrappyDoo Hey ScrappyDoo, just wondering who you support and why. Also, where do you get your data on exactly how many we have in Israel? I am interested in seeing exactly where the 700 billion is going. Anyone that thinks that there is no room to cut there is misinformed. I actually do think that we as Ron Paul supporters need to do a better job of debating these issues, and with many folks in general, responding to someone on the opposit side of an issue without taking it as a personal insult. Sometimes it is just a healthy debate and an opportunity to learn. That said, I stand by Ron Pauls views that we need to uphold the constitution, shrink the government, have a balanced budget. Also his fight against the patriot act should be praised by all. If you’ve ever read 1984 you would see why.
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@ScrappyDoo
Ron Paul is certainly the only real republican. He is the only one who remembers that this country is supposed to be a constitutional REPUBLIC.
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Well he’s not going to win, so I expect you to keep your promise. Please leave. The fewer Paulbots the better.
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What are you going to do if he wins? are you going to leave? We can only hope that the people who have no real argument that slander and attack anybody who merely supports Dr. Paul, leaves. We are tired of you hate filled bigots trying to bring an honest, hard working American down to your level. Which is deceitful at best.
“Tricks and treachery are the practice of fools, that don’t have brains enough to be honest.”
@ScrappyDoo
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Its still annoying
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CNN is showing the breakdown of Iowas 25 delegates. Ron Paul, Mitt, and Santorum all got 7. All that matters
http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/primaries/state/ia
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Did they mess with the votes? I have seen some info to suggest the GOP did just that.If they did ,will DR Paul stand for it?
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NA: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuj5XDbk1CU
Global: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nntB872pJ20&feature=related
We must attack Iran they will Nuke Isrealzzzzzzz!
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@Vleirmuisen What a chilling thought. I’m wonderening under what auspices the U.S. and Nato will use to start filling these detention camps?
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@Liberty@Vleirmuisen I zoomed in on one of the detention camps with google maps. I was an intersection surrounded by houses and local shops. NOT a detention camp.
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@Ryan834455@Liberty Under NDAA any third party supporter, pro-life, pro-gun, veteran, and activists can be detained for terrorism. This means that without being arrested any criminals, radicals, and protesters can be moved to these camps. They have already started. This is mainly going to effect the poor.
I don’t know which one you looked at but I know in Denver there is a building within city limits that has been filled with cages, The building was supposed to be condemned instead it has been turned into a dungeon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hylcLcBD_U0
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuj5XDbk1CU
Updated Fema camp info
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People who don’t vote for Paul will get what they deserve. Higher Taxes, less freedoms, and ultimately the complete destruction of the United States. People like to Bash Paul’s Foreign Policy because they are IGNORANT. The United States Plays both sides of the War Game for profit. If people would look at what really has happened in IRAN and how the US Government has intervened in the name of Profit flipping sides back and forth for the monetary interests of the NWO Overloards them maybe they would wake up. It’s your choice. Keep spending Billions killing people around the World or take care of business at home and rebuild the country.
Romney is a pathetic Glad Hander that is owned by the Wall Street Cartel. Gee Romney and Obama have something in common they both list Goldman Sachs as their number 1 campaign contributors. If that doesn’t tell you something you are asleep. And Rick Insantitorum has voted for every spending bill that comes his way.
The Republican Party sickens me… conspiring to force out Paul. It’s truly sad that we have an election system where the vote of the people ultimately doesn’t matter.
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@MarkKStanford Theres a campaign message vid our troops created if you want to spread the word. In the vid description they are asking everybody to fav, share & even make DVD copies to hand out. They feel it would be a good medium to get the truth out to the masses & let the voters know why they are voting for RP.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j3zXrKikYY&list=WL3058E738C371CB37&index=38&feature=plpp_video
There are several versions on you tube – some are shorter if you think this one is too long.
Everybody support our troops… share this video with everybody you know!
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@AngieAtLavish@MarkKStanford Excellent! This man Ron Paul must become President in 2012.
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People who don’t vote for Paul will get what they deserve. Higher Taxes, less freedoms, and ultimately the complete destruction of the United States. People like to Bash Paul’s Foreign Policy because they are IGNORANT. The United States Plays both sides of the War Game for profit. If people would look at what really has happened in IRAN and how the US Government has intervened in the name of Profit flipping sides back and forth for the monetary interests of the NWO Overloards them maybe they would wake up. It’s your choice. Keep spending Billions killing people around the World or take care of business at home and rebuild the country.
Romney is a pathetic Glad Hander that is owned by the Wall Street Cartel. Gee Romney and Obama have something in common they both list Goldman Sachs as their number 1 campaign contributors. If that doesn’t tell you something you are asleep. And Rick Insantitorum has voted for every spending bill that comes his way.
The Republican Party sickens me… conspiring to force out Paul. It’s truly sad that we have an election system where the vote of the people ultimately doesn’t matter.
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Guys just keep in mind that Ron Paul got 21 or 22%, and those were predicted by the polls, so he didn’t lose any support,and people which support Ron stick with him to the end
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Well, it looks like Ron Paul just shot his load and as usual, he’s picking shit with the chickens again. Oh well. Maybe he can run for city council or town board financial secretary. Huh ? Or, maybe he and Michelle Bauchmann can go on tour and rip each others cloths off ? But, never give up. That’s what dreams are made of.
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Dennis how about adding something constructive to this conversation? You sound like an idiot. Your obviously here for a reason so you must have some interest in Paul’s conservative ideas.
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Hey Scott, when you say “constructive to the conversation” do you mean ridiculous conspiracy theories and people whose only intelligent contribution is “RON PAUL 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
There is very little in the way of constructive comments on this site. Most of it is dumb blather.
You don’t have a problem with Dennis’s comments because it’s not constructive. You have a problem because it doesn’t belong here on the cult of personality fansite. Kiss Ron Paul’s ass or leave! @Scott R
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I assume you think spewing crap about Concerned and contributing citizens being racist and uneducated is qualified to you as “being constructive” keep watchin CNN , what else are you going to do with your time? oh yea troll the Ron Paul forums.
@ScrappyDoo@Scott R
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It is a Ron Paul forum. Your reason for being here and taking time post comments is the only thing that seems out of place. My guess is that you work for the empire. @ScrappyDoo @Scott R
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It is a Ron Paul forum. Your reason for being here and taking time post comments is the only thing that seems out of place. My guess is that you work for the empire. @ScrappyDoo @Scott R
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Well, for someone who probably never had any real dreams in the first place, I really think that that should be the last thing you should be mentioning right now. I know I’m going to sound a little like Gingrich here, but honestly it’s time that someone paid a little attention, or else you’ll be crying like a baby all throughout this week. Aside from the half of your post that could probably be confused with the comments of a twelve-year-old who just got into his or her rebellious phase, the other half seems like you’re trying to make reasonable sense here but failing miserably. I guess your point now is that Ron Paul’s third place finish in Iowa with 21% of the votes is equivalent to someone polling 5% of the votes. Sorry to say, but I don’t think that opinion from someone who probably never took statistics in college or simply at the high school level is all that accurate. However, if you haven’t blown a load yet, because someone has finally paid real attention to you and promptly disciplined you, consider the fact that Ron Paul got the same amount of candidates as Santorum and Romney because of the virtual tie between them. Of course, you probably don’t know what a delegate is, so let me get to the conclusion, which is that, of course you have a right to say what you will, even though you’re probably in support of a candidate who more than likely wants to hurt that right, or at least won’t defend it, when it comes down to the grit. But you should also remember that whoever you mock has the right to fight back, and, quite frankly, people including myself are getting tired of your obnoxious, childish attitude, and I, or someone else, I’m sure, is going to give you an attitude adjustment. @Dennis Johnson
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@Dennis Johnson That is OK Johnson… Mark your words… because you will be eating them before it is over… Your lack of vision is preceded only by your ignorance…
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Maybe we can drag up a thousand junior delegates to beg their parents to think of their futures,
I notice they were rounding Paul down and the others up.
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@Vleirmuisen I noticed the same on Drudge. Santorum’s .3 rounded up while Ron Paul’s .95 rounded down. I kept sending them comments until they changed it.
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Folks don’t give up. Please keep in mind that Ron Paul has been slowly gaining and has been running in the low 20′s for a while so these numbers should not be a suprise. We MUST take into account all the independants and of course democrats that support him as well that could not take part in the caucus. So how can we get more GOP votes when it seems like we’ve hit a mini ceiling? I believe the greatest challenge will be to fend off these attacks on his foreign policy. While it is easy for most of us to see why we CAN NOT and SHOULD NOT police the world, I am worried that the average semi-misinformed GOP American is more worried about keeping themselves safe and is refusing to come over to our camp. Maybe Paul could compile a specific list of which bases he would close (ie Japan, Germany, ect) Next, he could “forecast” that after a vote from congress that we would definately leave SOME forces in Israel and sprinkled in other places. We could debate on, prioritize, and vote on each location. If support is REQUIRED keep it. We could still cut 50% of the overseas spending and keep enough forces around the world to shoot down any nukes fired at us or our friends. We could then see if relationships with other nations improves. This could all be done to ease the doubts on our safty under Ron Paul. What do you guys think?
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@Scott R I don’t think compromising is the answer this was the first state, There is plenty of time for their flaws to be revealed. We should try to educate people on foreign issues and as time goes on more people will come to their senses. We need to remember he had 22% in a republican vote, Santorum won’t keep the christians long. As an independent Paul could draw 60%. 20% from each side. There are also 2/3 of the population who don’t believe in the system at all and don’t vote. Voter fraud is the issue more then the policy. It’s the fact that MSM calls a libertarian a bigot and Santorum was told by God that the christians flipped I think. I think if Ron Paul would do that as well he would get an immediate spike just for that. A god bless America wouldn’t hurt either. What do you think of Junior Delegates? No limits and it’s for the future of their children. I only fear they want the world to be destroyed.
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Vleirmuisen I don’t understand why the media has this bias against Ron Paul. It is hard to educate when I keep on having to explain about the stupid newsletter over and over again. I understand the debate on the foreign policy as understanding everything is no simple matter. I think you are being a little generous with your democrat and independant numbers, but, better to be optimisic anyways. The GOP can not underestimate the power that the democrates obtain from buying votes. There are so many superficial Americans that only care about getting their next bailout and too few that care about taking back our rights and tax dollars! The funny thing is we as stupid entitled Americans are being perfectly represented by a president that cares more about golf and vacations then the economy. Maybe the system IS working. haha If he wants everyone to be equal why is he spending millions on that trip? Hypocrit. It is not going to be easy for the GOP to win with Romney if he’s their guy down the road as I suspect many of us Paulians and independants are probably going to end up voting Libratarian again. And for peats sake, we should all need to present ID to vote to ensure a fair vote. I don’t understand why this is such an issue!!! As far as Junior Delegates are you taking a stab at Obama? haha
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@Scott R I agree with everything you said, no stab at Obama yet. There is no limit on junior delegates to debate for votes, So hundreds of children could plea for votes hypothetically. Perhaps educating on the constitution would be faster then teaching common sense. Maybe we should abandon the commercial campaign idea and cherry pick the great ones off the internet. The super bowl has the largest audience. I’m confident that there are more disadvantaged people then spoiled. The depopulation project is a scary thought.
Example 3)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5r37xekxNg
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It is hard to educate when I keep on having to explain about the stupid newsletter over and over again. @Scott R
Mmmm…yeah. I can imagine that when people find out that he’s a racist loon who thinks the Mossad did the first WTC bombing, he becomes much less attractive as a candidate.
And then people don’t accept your Ron paul approved response because it’s a joke and anybody who has looked into this matter at all knows that the ghostwriter excuse falls to tatters under the tiniest scrutiny.
You do know that he defended those newsletters to the Dallas Morning News in 1996?
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It is hard to educate when I keep on having to explain about the stupid newsletter over and over again. @Scott R
Mmmm…yeah. I can imagine that when people find out that he’s a racist loon who thinks the Mossad did the first WTC bombing, he becomes much less attractive as a candidate.
And then people don’t accept your Ron paul approved response because it’s a joke and anybody who has looked into this matter at all knows that the ghostwriter excuse falls to tatters under the tiniest scrutiny.
You do know that he defended those newsletters to the Dallas Morning News in 1996?
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@Vleirmuisen@Scott R Now we know really what happened to JFK. I wonder if people with their busy lives will to the research on all of the candidates and not merely rely on the media or stay home? We have one last chance to make our country great once again. We must work doubly hard to make sure Ron Paul wins. And, to make sure his votes are not stolen.
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@Vleirmuisen@Scott R Now we know really what happened to JFK. I wonder if people with their busy lives will to the research on all of the candidates and not merely rely on the media or stay home? We have one last chance to make our country great once again. We must work doubly hard to make sure Ron Paul wins. And, to make sure his votes are not stolen.
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@ScrappyDoo@Scott R This is great Scrappy and thank you for your post. It helps the Paul campaign, more than you know.
Yes, certain things written in the newsletters are very offensive and disturbing. I concur with that. But, then, I sit back and look at Paul’s voting record and his valid argument against the war on Drugs.
Words are hurtful when people use them to marginalize others and delegitimize them. But, I would argue that actions to that end are worse.
The war on drugs has not only victimized people color legally, but as a result, personally, financially and systemically. Personally, because it labels entire communities as “bad” – and people believe it even though it’s not true. Financially because when a person is jailed for a misdemeanor or felony, it severely limits their ability to earn a living afterward. One cannot hold a job that requires any kind of license in most cases and is sentenced to an impoverished life of low paying jobs. Often, the families must go on welfare; it’s a vicious cycle. Systemically, because the poverty traps the whole family into a cycle that is hard to break out of.
So, what is worse, Scrappy? Some hurtful, noxious words in a newsletter of limited circulation or a national program of systemic disenfranchisement for people of color?
Well? I know – why don’t you ask your Black friends what they think?
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Scrappy……….you sound scared that Ron Paul will win. He is incorruptible and the only real chance this country has of a recovery. Both moral and financial.
The racist card has been debunked……..do your homework.
Who is your candidate? @ScrappyDoo @Scott R
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@Scott R “We MUST take into account all the independants and of course democrats that support him as well that could not take part in the caucus.”
Oh no, they DID. They’re the only reason he didn’t rank down below Perry but above Bachmann.
You know, when you have to depend on Democrats to win, maybe your guy isn’t “the only real Republican.” Codepink supports Ron Paul. So does Arlo Guthrie, the communist folk singer. It must be because he’s a “real conservative”.
“Maybe Paul could compile a specific list of which bases he would close (ie Japan, Germany, ect”
He has. Here’s his specific list: all of them. How’s that for specific?
“Next, he could “forecast” that after a vote from congress that we would definately leave SOME forces in Israel…”
The total number of American soldiers currently serving in Israel is 40. Eighteen of them are Mines, so you can bet that they’re the embassy guards. So minus embassy guards, the total number of US troops in Israel is a whopping twenty-two.
http://siadapp.dmdc.osd.mil/personnel/MILITARY/history/hst0912.pdf
So you’re just misinformed. You have to be if you’re going to support Ron Paul who has a big problem with Israel.
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@ScrappyDoo@Scott R Hello again.
I often think that people misunderstand what a “base” in another country actually means.
A base is a footprint; it’s a toe in the water, a thumb in the pie of other countries. A place that we can go back to – basically, a leasehold to invade.
This mindset needs to stop. We shouldn’t be ‘invading’ Israel, or any other country. Our armies are supposed to be for defense, not for preemptive military actions.
Israel has many nuclear weapons and a forced system of conscription. Everyone is a soldier, even the women. All this for a country that doesn’t even have a constitution.
Why do they need us?
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@Scott R Scott, I don’t think Paul would do that; one, because it’s giving preference to certain nations over others and, two, quite simply, we can’t afford it.
Ron Paul understands our geopolitical situation quite clearly. Most people don’t because they are spoon fed partisan pablum that substitutes for informed non biased media. Viva la internet!
We simply can’t afford to be abroad. We can’t afford to use our capital to destroy the capital of others. We’re using precious, dwindling resources to destroy the infrastructure of other countries when our infrastructure is crumbling around us. This is insanity and, really, the nexus of the argument to be made.
Ask your Republican friends this, “Which would you rather give up: The bases overseas or your Medicare?” Yes, I know Paul wants to do away with the entitlement programs, but he will honor the commitments made to people who have paid in all of their lives.
I’m focusing on getting Dems to cross over. Obama has failed the anti-war crowd and Black people are doing worse than ever. A quarter century of economic progress has been erased for most people of color due to illegal lending practices and the “war” on drugs. Such nonsense needs to stop.
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Moving to Norway may feel nice but may not really change a thing, not in the long run. The US forced Switzerland to disclose bank accounts. US banks are destabilizing the EURO. The US, unchecked, will be able to impose it’s will on the rest of the world – instead of being a model and inspiration of freedom, can do attitude, generosity, creativity and entrepreneurism, all the things that brought me here from Europe. The ground to fight for your freedom is here, nowhere else. The effects of continued US corruption will be felt world wide. THERE IS ONLY ONE REAL ISSUE: MONEY – who controls whom and INFLUENCE / POWER – who buys the decisions.
That gets us talking about the FED and some very powerful people don’t want that. (see youtube dhundrethmonkee http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyN0_4VwUP8 ) Santorum baby issue, heartfelt family stories, all IRRELEVANT. Focus on what is really important – the preservation of freedom, well being and the ability to survive with the constitution intact – and preserve and reinstate the Dollar value.
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LIVE ELECTION RESULTS2012
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Fox and Cnn cut off before the Veteran Soldier got to explain why he supports Ron’s foreign policy… Fox just cut him off and when Cnn began to interview him they pulled the plug. Look at the vids put up on youtube before they get taken down. Spread this info. We can’t slack off or Ron won’t get the vote. We need to carry him to the White House, this is a Revolution remember, not your average BS American election.
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Yeah, I saw the video of CNN. They were hyping the guy up, as I knew they would. And here’s a soldier who’s AGAINST the war, and you should be too, blah, blah, blah.
Then they lost the feed and now you’re going to make the ridiculous assertion that he was “silenced”.
@Soldier and Servant of the Constitutional Republic
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@ScrappyDoo@Soldier and Servant of the Constitutional Republic What’s you beef, Scrappy? What’s your point? What do you have, specifically, against Ron Paul?
You attacks seem vague and baseless. I, myself, am not a fan of all of his positions, though I do respect his opinions and understand where they come from.
People, take note. Posters like ScrappyDOO are very important because he/she helps us refine our responses to people when they argue against Paul’s positions.
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Dont feed the trolls @Loan Auditor @ScrappyDoo @Soldier and Servant of the Constitutional Republic
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Actually its better to feed the trolls and watch them spew their nonsense about the people that actually have something useful to share, click his profile and read his responses, troll hate filled.
@Loan Auditor@ScrappyDoo@Soldier and Servant of the Constitutional Republic
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@scaredofLIBERTYareu@ScrappyDoo@Soldier and Servant of the Constitutional Republic
Read my post above.
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You are indeed correct, Half of his responses seem to have some argument that leads off into left field, but still and argument none the less, the other half is just hate filled speech about how RP supporters should be in a cult. Makes me wonder why people like this are so against common sense. @Loan Auditor @ScrappyDoo @Soldier and Servant of the Constitutional Republic
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as long as allow electronic vote counting, all can be easily manipulated. If a 15 year old can hack into the pentagon, we need HAND counting.
See
http://www.votefraud.org/how_our_votes_should_be_counted.htm
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I thought that the Ron Paul campaign had save guards in place such as taking cell phone pictures of all the tallies before it was called in to their out of state headquarters. Did our picture tallies of each precinct match what was reported to corporate? Your link is an eye opener. I hope an investigation occurs.
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@Liberty Cell phone pictures of tallies! Good idea!
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Fox cut off before the soldier got to talk about Ron’s foreign policy and CNN pulled the plug while he was being interviewed a second time. Watch the vids just posted on Yahoo. If this doesn’t tell all you doubters what’s going on I don’t know what will. This info must be spread. Let’s get to it.
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We need to start showing the people PROOF that their media is and has been lying to them. If Ron loses the election, I’m moving to Norway. Sorry, but this is kinda our last shot and if the blind or the stupid screw this one up then they deserve what they get. My kids aren’t going to be pawns and servants to a corrupt system of bankers and war profiteers. God help America and Ron Paul.
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@Soldier and Servant of the Constitutional Republic
Good Bye. LOL
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@Soldier and Servant of the Constitutional Republic Norway is calling.
Hey, I heard Norway has limited government and low taxes. That’s why you’re moving there, right?
Please leave.
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Nice trolling bud
@ScrappyDoo@Soldier and Servant of the Constitutional Republic
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I’m shocked. The media once again has raised up another candidate. Rich Santorum what a joke. Wait till the skeltons about Rick Santorum are exposed. The Evanglical vote will be awe struck when they realize what Santorum has voted for and what he supports. He has not addressed the fiscal matters that are destroying our economy. Where is his deficit plan to cut now and not in the future? Every man or woman running is a family person. What does he offer beyond that? He is BIG GOVERNMENT.
Well onward to the next primaries.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Muf23Rc7HV8
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@Liberty
Hahaha. You should be shocked back to reality.
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If Ron doesn’t win the Election I’m moving out of the Country. I honestly can’t believe people can believe or even stand these MSM reporters. It’s so blatant and obvious that anyone who can see knows what’s going on here… God help us.
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Looks like they used Santorum to steal the christian tea party vote, damn shame. Will the live free or die state vote for the holy cusader santorum of flip flop for mitt romney? Oh well we knew Independent was the most likely solution to this party issue, Paul will probably get 60% majority as an independent. We need to recruit the 2/3 million people who don’t vote.
That being said he should have much better luck in liberal states,
The electoral college sucks!
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@Vleirmuisen
What’s 60% of 30% of idiots ?
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@Dennis Johnson No 60% of the 100 million that voted last election cycle. Maybe even more democrats because he would run independent opening up the anti-republican votes. Some Christians could see through Santorum and choose Paul over Romney. Also there are still 200 million non-voters in this country who wouldn’t show up in a primary. Your a troll and an idiot.
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If Ron doesn’t win the Election I’m leaving the Country. That is if we aren’t in Martial Law by then. God help us.
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Rick Santorum Voted NO on restricting business with entities linked to terrorism. (Jul 2005)
He is also anti-gay, anti-choice, pro-war, pro-prison,pro-church, and Pro-government
Someone please call Jesus tell these people to stop worshiping false idols hallelujah!
It’s like when “God bless America” won the christian vote!
Romney will defeat himself, but the voter fraud! it’s terrible.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Rick_Santorum.htm
Watching C-span
The speaker for Newt Gingrich said he would support any republican except one,
He later told that he knew several presidents personally
He then ended by telling a joke about taking the names off of tombstones claiming the dead had a right to vote too! This was who was in charge of the counting room. Hard to tell if he counted Ron Paul. No Tivo
God help us all
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