Ron Paul Supporters Are Taking Over the Republican Party

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  1. bob2theboney

    its all a song and dance to make us believe we have choice…and we live in a republic not a democracy this is true look up the definition.

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  2. chang343343

    you should understand when you use vague terms and assumptions it makes it difficult to understand your question, but i think i understand your question now. so basically youre worried that a single (or a partnership of) corporation/s will end up with complete control over the government under a paul administration, and that they will create and enforce laws bypassing the elected government?

    i just wanna make sure this is what you meant to ask before i waste any more time

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  3. PigCapitalist

    “…that people that work for corporations shouldn’t have a say in government?” [sic]

    You know for someone who accused me of strawmanning Paul’s position earlier, you sure love to strawman me. I’ve said no such thing. The only thing I ask is how his government would be able to keep corporations (call them CEO’s, board of trustees, whatever you like) from controlling government, given that they have most of the capital? This is the 4th time I’ve asked this and you’ve yet to provide a response.

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  4. joshook828

    More propaganda to make people think that if things change from the norm (not obama’s change) the parties wont work. All GOP and DEM need to open their eyes.

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  5. chang343343

    so exactly what are you trying to say then? that people that work for corporations shouldnt have a say in government? it seems that you’re using the word “corporations” as a loose term to mean some sort of vampires that are out to suck the public dry. in reality corporations, big or small, are made up of people, rich or poor, and are an integral part of the economy.

    try to make your points more coherent by refraining from using blanket statements like “corporations” to refer to “the bad guys”

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  6. SmokeyTee

    Is that a dude..?

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  7. PigCapitalist

    “…it’s pointless to argue for a government where corporations have no control…”

    I’m not, don’t strawman me. What I’m asking is how RP would keep them from controlling (as in dominating) government, given that they posses most of the capital vis a vis people.

    “now you’re talking about financial regulations, which is…different…”.

    No, it isn’t. You’ve said there’d be a limiting effect to controlling government. Corporations spending their capital on lobbying is part of controlling govt.

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  8. PigCapitalist

    Before addressing the above, I’d like to ask you to address the question I’ve been asking since the beginning, i.e., “Given that corporations hold most of the capital, how would Paul’s government ensure corporations won’t control government?”. Empty rhetoric like, “limited government is to limit…control over the rest” is very unsatisfactory, given that, for example, it assumes that corporations with all their capital and people are equally affected by limitations imposed by government

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  9. chang343343

    2/2
    that said, you obviously didnt understand my answer i’ll explain one more time: it’s pointless to argue for a government where corporations have no control since corporations are among many others that lobby for power in a democratic government

    “If you’re imposing…a limit on corporations and what they wish to do with their capital… then you’re creating a state which limits the “free” market.”

    now you’re talking about financial regulations, which is a different subject altogether

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  10. chang343343

    1/2
    “With this claim you run into a problem, because a government that limits is a government of force … ‘imposes’ limits on what RP calls “liberty”.”

    have to call strawman on that one since no government can practically exist without force, and paul certainly isn’t advocating anarchism.

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  11. Madfoot713

    >Wahh, capitalism is evil, people shouldn’t be allowed to own property

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  12. PigCapitalist

    Part 2 of 2

    If you’re imposing (See: Forcing) a limit on corporations and what they wish to do with their capital, e.g. influence government, then you’re creating a state which limits the “free” market. Ron Paul (and his fanatics) like to claim that they’re for “liberty”, “free-markets”, etc., yet from what you’re saying markets wouldn’t be free and the federal government would be intervening in the spending of capital of private corporations.

    »crosslinked«

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  13. PigCapitalist

    Part 1 of 2

    You still haven’t demonstrated anything. I’ll ask for the third time: given that corporations hold most of the capital, how will RP’s government ensure they won’t control government?

    “…the point of a limited government is to limit the extent by which anyone…don’t have excessive control over the rest.” [sic]

    With this claim you run into a problem, because a government that limits is a government of force which, by definition, ‘imposes’ limits on what RP calls “liberty”.

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  14. chang343343

    of course corporations would try to influence the govt for their benefit, as with anyone else since after all the point of a democratic government is to serve its constituents, which includes corporations. the point of a limited government is to limit the extent by which anyone, corporations or otherwise, dont have excessive control over the rest

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  15. einlea67

    Who is this fucj\king retard woman??? a commie with no clue too get a cock… like the woman in the comedy.. called the big ban theroy… she must be the nerd woman too,, Sheldon… No sexy.. No clue.. No boobs… No Nothing… but a primary tv personality… ONLY I USA… THE PIT OF AHIT IN THE WORLD

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  16. PigCapitalist

    You didn’t explain how corporations, being the holders of most of the capital, would not control government (however limited it may be).
    So far, your argument has only proposed that there will be a limited government which will ‘also’ be controlled by the wealthy. That doesn’t sound any better.

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  17. Flatburger321

    Im a Democrat…and i wanted Barrack Obama for president 4 years ago because i liked his ideas. I then realized how much crap he spoke cuz nothing REALLY changed. Now i see Ron Paul and i’m REALLY hoping he wins, because he already is speaking out and trying to change things, unlike Obama now. I realize now how corrupt we the government is that it can’t fix anything. Maby less government is what we need until someone fixes it.

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  18. andyrushx420

    I like how the guest didn’t want to admit Ron Paul winning states was bigger then Hillary, and wanted to downplay it, by saying the other two candidates had been working the trail longer, but that’s spinning because Ron Paul was winning delegates from the start and they spun it so think of how many people would have voted for Paul if the MSM wouldn’t have downplayed his rally sizes and showing clips out of context…shame MSM wasn’t better but atleast he got some coverage this time.

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  19. Spokker

    Clyaton speaks the truth. Maddow doesn’t care about Paul.

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  20. Ganseblumchen12

    Everybody listen to this pentagon whistleblower!
    2012-06-27 Drake GREEN LIGHT for Mass Arrests
    watch?v=iFHx5IaWZVY&feature=g-user-u

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  21. French Canadian

    Robin,

    The only information I have is this:

    According to Ben Swann’s facebook page, the lawsuit will be heard in mid July.
    http://m.facebook.com/BenSwannRealityCheck?id=12407533432409…

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    Or maybe you could go to the source to really know what is going on… here are some contact information:

    Contact: Cass Ingram, Porter H. Davis, Pat Jack
    5500 Military Trail # 22-192
    Jupiter, FL 33458

    Executive Committee Lawyers for Ron Paul
    Phone:
    850-417-8543, 850-417-8543
    Fax 714-667-2388
    press@electionfraudremedy.com
    http://electionfraudremedy.com

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  22. Clyaton

    Don’t jump to conclusions. Her way of thinking is destructing, and she’s had many bad things to say about the Paul group in the past. She simply likes the dissonance within the republican party. She likes pressing the issue that Romney doesn’t have as much support as it seems. She is being political in her ‘respect’ of Ron Paul, she does not like him, or his philosophy like I do. At best, she knows that he is consistent in his belief of philisophy of libertarianism of which she disagrees.

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  23. robin

    French Canadian,
    What have you heard about the federal lawsuit filed in California? Unfortunately, I think that Ron Paul seems to want to also steer away from the Paul Fest which is very disappointing. We have to get away from these labels conservative and liberal and just focus on issues. It’s only used to distract and polarize people.

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  24. Airshot06

    Yes, I openly ask for God’s help to Serve and Protect, My country from enemies Foreign and Domestic, and there are many forms of doing so(Technologically, Physically, and most importantly with Positive IDEAS of PEACE) Nobody likes to fight in wars unless twisted by something underlining… In my Oath of Enlistment, that underlines the military cause to protect my fellow Americans, So help me God.

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  25. mousepd

    I’m starting to develop a lot of serious respect for Rachael. I use to despise her and consider her to be just another Liberal Hack. But you know what? Her as well as most of the people on the Democratic side treat Ron Paul respectfully. While on the right, Paul’s colleagues within the GOP such as McCain, Romney, Santorum, Guilliani, Graham Hannity and the rest hate and mock Paul. Ironic isn’t it? Especially if he is someday credited with saving the Republican Party.

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  26. French Canadian

    ALERT… ALERT… ALERT

    I don’t know if this true or not, but it would’nt surprise me with that slicky Jesse Benton.

    Jesse Benton Keeps Ron Paul from Attending Another Grassroots Event
    http://libertychat.com/jesse-benton-keeps-ron-paul-from-attending-another-grassroots-event

    Excerpts:

    Jesse Benton, the man famous for his work in Borat & Bruno, has made another genius decision. This one will keep Ron Paul away from yet another major grassroots event. When asked about Ron Paul events in Tampa, Jesse says “Ron Paul will avoid events where his campaign doesn’t set the tone and message. The event at the fairgrounds is being held by Paul supporters who aren’t affiliated with the campaign”.

    Jesse will instead help to divide the movement by holding a separate event the same weekend as PaulFest , an event grassroots supporters have been working on since March.

    My Prediction, Sacha Baron Cohen will be one of the speakers, after he convinces Jesse that he’s a Republican running for congress in Florida.

    Then again, I could just be one of those crazy grassroots people who “doesn’t get it”. So where do you stand? Should Ron Paul attend PaulFest or follow Jesse Benton’s lead and hold a separate rally? Vote in our poll below

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    I voted… go vote!

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  27. Swanistheman

    “corporations can only take control by influencing the government, since the government is basically a monopoly of force by definition. therefore limited govt = less consolidation of power among the wealthy” Dang, what now you commie? No response?

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  28. chang343343

    corporations can only take control by influencing the government, since the government is basically a monopoly of force by definition. therefore limited govt = less consolidation of power among the wealthy

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  29. 231gearon

    Agree. But give the ‘ kids’ ( I am much older) a bit of rope and they will swing back on target. In the meantime they’re exploring thei beliefs as prompted by the video. I’ve come to expect a lot of sexual references and personal attacks but you know what? These ‘kids’, although foul mouthed and completely off track at times, have very big hearts and a generosity of spirit. I was not much different myself…..once.

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  30. French Canadian

    Peter,

    (Ron Paul supporters are not Republicans and they should not attend the GOP convention)

    I just read the article that you’ve just posted. It made me want to throw up. What a despicable human being that Eric Golub. Such a scumbag idiot. No wonder he voted for Romney. This guy has NO IDEA what the word “conservative” means.

    Boy, is this country in deep trouble with authors like him. Good grief! A complete lunatic!

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  31. marine919

    Who is the little boy,Madcow?

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  32. Peter

    Ron Paul supporters are not Republicans and they should not attend the GOP convention

    http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/tygrrrr-express/2012/jun/26/ron-paul-supporters-banned-gop-convention/

    True Republican elite = Criminals

    True Republicans = No right to vote. The elite chooses the candidate.

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  33. PigCapitalist

    Wait, is the underlying assumption in your comment that Ron Paul is not in favor of corporations and rich financiers controlling the country (“…your country can not longer be controlled by greedy corporations and rich financiers…”)? You realize that he not only supports capitalism, but the most dystopian form of capitalism, right? Please explain to me how in RP’s America, where regulation is almost non-existent, those holding the most capital, i.e. corporations, would not take control.

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  34. MadameLouise Bonnie

    I pray Benjamin Todd Jealous, Roger Vann,Steven Hawkins,Brenda Watkins Noel,Kim Keenan,Hilary O. Shelton,is not part of the horrors of George W Bush & Dick Fucking Cheney & war monger liar bitch Hillary Clinton,
    Now I understand why Bill went elsewhere to get head. I would have have done him but not now. I have a boyfriend that I want to marry like Jeff & Jane that makes me so fucking hot & horny just like Stevie Wonder does to me when he sings.

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  35. MadameLouise Bonnie

    Please read my comments at
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    youtube(.)com/watch?v=P9YtVQCu­-Ww
    youtube(.)com/channel/UCpqI9KX­NAw_b4XPZsWtMVpw

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