115 responses to “Ron Paul: Get the Government Out of Healthcare”

  1. StopTheMorons

    Point is, how much should it cost to get your ass checked?

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  2. French Canadian

    Off Topic:

    “Thought that endorsing Romney was bad enough?”

    Rand Paul Votes NO on GMO Labeling
    http://www.infowars.com/rand-paul-votes-no-on-gmo-labeling/

    Excerpts:

    “Thought that endorsing Romney was bad enough? In another turn of events that exposes the corporatist leanings of Rand Paul, Senator from Kentucky, he has voted NO on a GMO labeling amendment to the farm bill “to permit States to require that any food, beverage, or other edible product offered for sale have a label on indicating that the food, beverage, or other edible product contains a genetically engineered ingredient.” The following is taken from the United States Senate Website.

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    On Topic:

    By French Canadian (the real one).

    Health care by government is a complete fraud. You can take this statement seriously from someone who knows… we have Health Care in Quebec and it is HELLISH.
    Believe me, you don’t want that.

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    1. Canuck

      ACtually French Canadian I am quite content with the Quebec system as nine years ago I contracted some sort of virus (completely out of the blue and not my fault in the least) and I had acute liver failure. I needed a transplant and got one. I didn’t have to pay a cent out of pocket and I never had to worry about insurance premiums or co-pays or whatnot. I didn’t have to worry about mortgaging my house in order to pay for this life-saving treatment as is the case with way too many people in the USA. The pro-insurance lobby likes to pretend that somehow the American system is the freest but that’s hardly true since if you have a crappy insurance policy you can only go to pre-approved doctors or hospitals. In Quebec, you can see any doctor in the province. Yes sometimes waits are long, but I have been to hospitals in the States and they are not significantly shorter. RAMQ is not perfect, but it is certainly not crap.

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  3. FreedomsReigning

    Stateless? Libertarians don’t want “Stateless Socialism”. You won’t ever have liberty without a government.

    This world isn’t filled with perfect people, and it NEVER will be. The only legitimate purpose of government (collective force) is to protect your liberty. Without a government protecting you, even I would be tempted to take you as a slave. I wouldn’t, but I would be tempted to, and there are a whole lot of people who wouldn’t think twice about it.

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  4. FreedomsReigning

    Healthcare is a service created through another persons labor, and you don’t have ‘a righ’ to anybodies labor. Deal with it. You don’t get to have slaves.

    Get off your lazy ass and produce something of value or ask for charity. The days of taking what you want from the people around you with government force are over. It’s not altruism you want, it’s slavery.

    »crosslinked«

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  5. MWCstream

    To tax something is to discourage it

    A Tax on ones labor is a communist ideal

    You need to watch this video video,google,com/videoplay?doc­id=-1656880303867390173

    Since 1913 after we left the gold standard the US Dollar has lost 95% + percent of its value. In 1913 i could work for 60 days to buy 1 oz of gold, today it would take 268 days to buy that same oz of gold at min wage. Wake up Der

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  6. Scott R

    I was just debating this over the weekend with a family member who actually thinks raising the minimum wage is what we need to do to help people afford health care.

    This type of simplistic thinking is so far from reality yet the democrats have 40-50% of the population behind them. The fact is that PRODUCTIVITY drives the economy and GDP, NOT fixing the price of labor. Look what happened when they tried to fix the price of oil too low in the 70′s. There were shortages. When you fix the price of labor to a high amount, you have over supply of labor and thus unemployment. Jobs can and will go overseas.

    We all have free will to take a job or not and can leave if something better is found. We don’t need the government to tell us what our labor is worth. The market will always do that better!

    I don’t feel sorry for people making minimum wages. I made 4.25 and hour myself at my first job. It only motivated me to keep educating myself so that I could improve my own situation. Why do people feel so entitled to things these days??? Because the system is allowing it.

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  7. h34p

    thats the “problem”. not the goverment.. the people who run it ;)

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  8. mrgravyx

    This is the fugitive slave clause in the US Constitution you fucking moron. Article Four of the United States Constitution, Section 2, Clause 3

    “No person held to service or labour in one state, under the laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labour, but shall be delivered up on claim of the party to whom such service or labour may be due”

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  9. carol Singer

    TO FRENCH CANADIAN
    1. You wrote “Perhaps it is difficult or painful for some people to have to recognize that certain racial groups tend to do better on things like ” “tests”.

    I am so sorry my Dear I Just Love your Writing. You have misunderstood a lot. First, What test ? Perhaps that test is design for/with a specific group in mind and their visual spectrum. Michael Jordan did not do well on certain test. How does he compare on the court? You may think “He is tall and strong” Bring 100 tall and strong on the court with him to get a real understanding of test in the system. I would love to debate you we will have a lot of fun. You have a lot to learn on race dear. Love

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  10. French Canadian

    THE ***ISH STRATEGEY
    Simply put, the ***ish strategy is destroy White families – the want to destroy our communities – they want to destroy our nations. WHY?

    The ***s’ goal is to grab total political power worldwide. To do this, they recognize that they need to destroy national sovereignty. Why? Because National sovereignty pre-supposes independent discretionary power. The ***s want to wield that power.

    If you notice – the ***s have even been behind an assault on the “family”. Why? Because the family is the core societal unit.

    From there, the ***s have attacked the concept of “community” by artificially manipulating where certain people live.

    Next, the ***s have assaulted the concept of “nation” primarily through massive immigration of “other races”. They hope the end result will destroy “Nationalism”.

    The end game is to destroy all National Sovereignty.

    Finally, The ***s want to implement Marxist principles – especially the elimination of private property. Why? Because the “State” gets to own and control everything – and “they” control the “State”.

    We all know the basic societal unit is the family. It kind of goes like this:

    FAMILY
    The family is the basic societal unit. This basic unit traditionally consists of two parents rearing their children.

    COMMUNITY
    A community consists of families with common interests and values living in a particular area

    NATION
    A nation is a politically organized group of communities.

    So, the progression is Family, Community, Nation. The concept of Nation gives rise to the concept of Nationalism.

    NATIONALISM
    Nationalism is a philosophy that unites people of common origin, ethnicity, and/or cultural/religious ties.

    Personally, I have a problem with some of our brainwashed masses whose philosophy seems to ignore the role of genetics, biology and human nature and their respective roles in “society”. It is a well established fact that genetics play a huge role in human characteristics such as intelligence and aptitude.

    Perhaps it is difficult or painful for some people to have to recognize that certain racial groups tend to do better on things like “tests”.

    RACE AND PEOPLE
    In Volume 1, Chapter XI of Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler discusses Race and People. In that chapter, Hitler merely touches on some commonly known biological truths.

    Hitler’s observations about the natural world as well as human nature constitute rational observations.

    Critics generally cry “racism” and intentionally fail to admit to the truths found there.

    Those critics apparently believe that anyone who chooses not to marry outside of their race in a “racist”. They probably also think that anyone who loves their family is also a “racist”.

    In the above usage, their term “racism” is merely an attempt at guilt tripping people for what is known as “human nature”.

    As we all know, ONLY White people can be (what they call) “racists” – as if having an affinity for your own people is somehow bad….but only if you’re White.

    So has anyone accused you of being a “family-ist” yet because you put members of your own family first…even before random family members of others?

    So when will the ***s come out and tell us that “Family Loyalty” is bad?

    Leave it to the *** to try to make a pejorative out of what is normal and healthy – while at the same time promoting un-natural acts such as homosexuality and “gay marriage”.

    THE STATE
    In Volume 2, Chapter 2 of Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler discusses the concept of the State.

    Hitler said that there were three (3) basic theories of the concept of the “State”.

    1. The first group pledges allegiance to the State merely because if the authority it represents.

    2. The second group believe that the existence of the State should be based on at least a few conditions – primarily the economic well-being of its subjects. This is essentially what Communists believe.

    3. The third group believe that the ethnically homogenous people should have the right to self-determination. This is essentially what Nationalists believe.

    SO WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE STATE?
    Is the purpose of the State to further enrich a powerful ***ish elite?

    Is the purpose of the State to provide anyone and everyone with basic necessities at the expense of those who perform useful work – while a powerful ***ish elite control all of the resources?

    Is the purpose of the State to support and advance the individual citizen in the pursuit of technological and cultural advances?

    NATIONAL SOCIALISM
    The very successful ideology of National Socialism is the concept of government based on human nature.

    National Socialism was based on the natural concept of what a Nation is – a politically organized group of communities….which are groups of people living together who share common interests and values…….which are made up of families.

    It took a ***ish world war to destroy it.

    COMMUNISM BASED ON A LIE
    The failed ideology of Communism failed because it is based on a lie. That lie is the “equality” of different races people.

    No two people are “equal”. No two groups of people are “equal” either.

    “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need” – most people associate this with the *** Karl Marx (real name Mordecai, his father was a Rabbi).

    But that slogan came from the communist Morelly back in 1755.
    Here is an excerpt of Morelly’s Communist thinking:

    “I. Nothing in society will belong to anyone, either as a personal possession or as capital goods, except the things for which the person has immediate use, for either his needs, his pleasures, or his daily work.

    II. Every citizen will be a public man, sustained by, supported by, and occupied at the public expense.

    III. Every citizen will make his particular contribution to the activities of the community according to his capacity, his talent and his age; it is on this basis that his duties will be determined, in conformity with the distributive laws.”
    Of course, they fail to tell you “who” ends up owning everything under Communism.

    IN THEIR OWN WORDS:

    “The Jewish people as a whole will become its own Messiah. It will attain world dominion by the dissolution of other races, by the abolition of frontiers, the annihilation of monarchy and by the establishment of a world republic in which the Jews will everywhere exercise the privilege of citizenship.

    In this New World Order the children of Israel will furnish all the leaders without encountering opposition. The Governments of the different peoples forming the world republic will fall without difficulty into the hands of the Jews. It will then be possible for the Jewish rulers to abolish private property and everywhere to make use of the resources of the state. Thus will the promise of the Talmud be fulfilled, in which is said that when the Messianic time is come, the Jews will have all the property of the whole world in their hands.”

    — Baruch Levy, Letter to Karl Marx, ‘La Revue de Paris’, p.574, June 1, 1928

    THE MULTI-ETHNIC STATE
    The only way the multi-ethnic state could work is if every citizen were treated “equally under the law”. But even this will not stop people from exhibiting “human nature” in the form of family loyalty – community loyalty, etc.

    But it is not implemented this way. Certain groups get “Special Rights”.

    NO EQUALITY UNDER THE LAW
    In the US, we do not have equality under the law. White people are intentionally disadvantaged by government “affirmative action” type laws.

    BEST QUALIFIED DON’T GET THE JOB
    Under the ***ish-run multi-cult precursor to outright Communism here in the US – the best qualified person either for a slot in a University or for a given job will probably not get that position.

    The ***ish-run multi-cult precursor to outright Communism recognizes the superior intellectual ability of White applicants and has implemented a handicapping system to artificially elevate inferior scoring individuals……as long as they aren’t “White”.

    This is fundamentally wrong.

    We are fighting against a fundamental wrong

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  11. Surfisher

    Ron Paul Keeps Winning the Battles, but What About the War?

    LONG ARTICLE — but must read material!!!

    Joe Wolverton, II
    New American
    June 24, 2012

    Word out of Iowa is that Ron Paul won a majority of that state’s delegates to the Republican National Convention to be held in August in Tampa, Florida. This is contrary to the story told on election night in January when first Mitt Romney and then, after a recount, Rick Santorum was declared the winner of the Hawkeye State’s caucus.

    After what the Des Moines Register described as a “two-day tug-of-war marked by bouts of angry shouting,” backers of the Libertarian-leaning Texas congressman won 23 of the state’s 28 total delegates.

    This isn’t the first such example of a Paul Paradox. State convention delegates elected pro-Paul slates in Minnesota, Maine, Nevada, and Louisiana, although Paul didn’t win the popular vote in any of those states (or any other state for that matter). The results are indisputable, but the million-dollar question is whether the Republican National Committee will allow these delegates to vote their consciences or will “bind” them to vote for the “presumptive nominee,” former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney.

    Some who support Ron Paul have decided not to wait on the RNC to rule and have taken their case to the courts.

    As we have reported, a lawsuit was filed by the law firm of Gilbert & Marlowe in Santa Ana, California, asking a federal court to determine:

    … whether Plaintiffs are free to vote their conscience on the first and all ballots at the Federal Election known as the Republican National Convention or whether Plaintiffs are bound to vote for a particular candidate as instructed by Defendants’ State Party Bylaws, or State Laws, or the preference of political operatives….

    Named as defendants in the lawsuit are the chairmen of every state’s Republican Party, as well as the state party itself.

    A d v e r t i s e m e n t

    In all a total of over 143 delegates (presumably national delegates, otherwise the federal court would have no jurisdiction) have joined or asked to join as plaintiffs in the suit.

    Among other complaints, the lawsuit alleges that the RNC violated its own rules and applicable federal voting statutes by:

    Certifying “unlawful slates of Delegates that were not elected in accordance with the US Statues and US Supreme Court Decisions cited, nor in accordance with the proper Bylaws of Defendants;”

    Engaging “in a scheme to intimidate and harass Delegates who were supporting a Candidate that Defendants did not approve of;”

    Forcing delegates to “sign affidavits under penalty of perjury with the threat of criminal prosecution for perjury as well as financial penalties and fines if the Delegate fails to vote as instructed by Defendants rather than vote the Delegate’s conscience as mandated by the US Statutes and US Supreme Court;”

    Denying “a quorum or to manipulate Delegates supporting a particular Candidate to be deprived of a fair election as a Delegate;”

    Using “threats of violence including dressing security type people in dark clothing searching out supporters of a Candidate Defendants do not approve of to harass and intimidate said Delegates from voting their conscience;”

    Unlawfully using “State Bylaws and in some cases State Laws to harass and intimidate Delegates from voting their conscience;” and

    Altering “the voting ballot results to fraudulently reflect an outcome that is inconsistent with the actual voting ballot results for the purpose of certifying a fraudulently selected slate of Delegates to support the Candidate of Defendants’ choice rather than the Delegates properly elected.”

    If the court does not issue an immediate injunction blocking these actions, the plaintiffs argue, they will suffer irreparable harm.

    This notion of “binding” delegates to vote for one candidate despite their own allegiances (and the allegiances of those state convention delegates who voted for them) is one of the many bones of contention being fought over by those loyal to Ron Paul and those who accept Mitt Romney as the “presumptive nominee.”

    The RNC argues that the winner of the popular vote (Mitt Romney in most cases) should also received at least a corresponding percentage of that state’s delegates elected at the state conventions, while the plaintiffs in this lawsuit (and the Paul campaign itself) insist that delegates are empowered by RNC Rule 38 to vote their consciences and cannot be forced to vote for the winner of the state primaries.

    Promising to “carry on the fight,” the executive committee of the Lawyers for Ron Paul is actively seeking new plaintiffs to add to the lawsuit and they continue to promote the message that the war is not over and that despite the fact (as they see it) that Ron Paul’s national campaign staff has “thrown in the towel,” the grassroots supporters around the country still have the power to get their man into the White House.

    Assuming for a moment that a federal judge rules that all Republican delegates to the national nominating convention are unbound and may vote for the candidate of their choice, what would the practical effect of such a holding be? Ron Paul himself has conceded that he does not have the numbers necessary to put him over the top and onto the top of the ticket. Is there any scenario that can convert these victories into anything other than the Pyrrhic variety?

    First, Ron Paul maintains that he is not ready to follow in his senator son’s footsteps and endorse Mitt Romney.

    In an interview on CNN’s The Situation Room, Ron Paul said, “No. Not ready. No way,” when asked by the host Wolf Blitzer if he was ready to throw his support behind Romney. That firm denial seems to indicate that despite having suspended his active campaign in May, Ron Paul remains a candidate for president.

    Then again, there is the message to supporters posted last week on YouTube where Ron Paul told viewers that he had “a lot of good news,” describing a roster of goals for all the delegates and alternates elected to represent him at the Republican National Convention in Tampa in August.

    First, delegates should work to “influence the platform.” Next, they should “fight for our values,” and finally, “do whatever they can to promote the cause of liberty.”

    Running about eight minutes, Dr. Paul’s message does not sound like an attempt to either compromise or concede. He sounds confident that the fight for liberty and limited government will continue.

    But without him in the Oval Office.

    Another Paul Paradox is the man’s adamant denials that he will mount a third party campaign for president. This hardline would seem to indicate that Ron Paul considers the GOP to be the most reliable vehicle for taking his message to the masses. Why then does he refuse to endorse the Party’s candidate?

    Principle. The answer is that in a world where pseudo-statesmen trip over themselves to be the first to get to the Party’s altars so they can sacrifice all their principles to the god of Power, Ron Paul stands back, humbly and boldly proclaiming liberty like the voice of one crying in the wilderness.

    Whatever the outcome, when the smoke clears on this Republican war of ideas, there is little doubt that there will remain yet alive millions of American freedom fighters devoted to the cause of the Constitution and to the protection of our civil liberties.

    Many of these patriots are young, so they must be reminded that there will come others from their ranks that will run for office and promote this cause and stand firm against the Establishment’s gradual march toward absolutism.

    Truly, Ron Paul is not the first and he will not be the last candidate to lead the fight for freedom, but he may be the best.

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  12. Citizen

    AGAIN…Well said Dr Ron Paul.

    http://mises.org/daily/6087/Tinker-Bell-Is-Dead

    Dr Paul does NOT believe in Tinker Bell

    Do YOU?

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  13. TRYCLOPS1

    As always, with reason on his side.

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  14. cartoonglutton

    Great stuff, President Paul!!!

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  15. h34p

    Economy collapses? Dont believe everything Fox News says ;)

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  16. trick29420

    Not to mention the tens of thousands of people that die waiting for treatment in Euro systems. Including an NHS director a year or two ago.

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  17. trick29420

    So that means other people should have to pay for it? You do realize healthcare, not insurance, is so expensive because of governments meddling in it? Like in some states, requiring insurance companies to cover hair loss treatments, massages, alcoholism and acupuncture? Even if the policy holder has a full hear of hair and doesn’t drink?

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  18. 93hahayougotme

    I’m not the best with how healthcare works, but I would rather TRUST a healthcare system that a DOCTOR is trying to introduce to us, than a BUREAUCRAT who cares about money instead of your health.

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  19. AirForceVet61

    very similar to the mandatory auto insurance, prices went up when they knew you HAD to purchase it. No person president or otherwise has the right to tell anyone what they have to purchase. barry can kiss my ass, why is it that himself and congress is exempt from his plan? we all see what little troll you are, it must be sad to have nothing in life but a hollow head.

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  20. AirForceVet61

    you are the dumbass. i have a couple stories to relate. 1) my wife works at a surgical supply manfacture, makes 8.25/hr. insurance offered by the company 252.12/wk. small company but a millionaire owner. Friend works in security at 9.25/hr avg 36 hr workweek, his insurance cost is 112.35/wk. neither can afford healthcare at that cost. both have 10k deductable that must be paid first. this is obama care at its finest. cont…

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  21. ju88ff

    You people are just so fucking crazy and need to put in mental wards.

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  22. Fyreguy16

    Im trying to figure out how you think “but the way it is currently done is good, with government intervention to help keep insurance prices down for senior citizens.” how is that a good thing? like i said in my previous comment, government has a monopoly on it, which is NOT keeping it cheaper for ANYONE… think about supply and demand, competition in the market keeps prices down.

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  23. 337noname

    Ron Paul’s dogma of using a coat hanger to kill the evils of government is about as backwards as it gets. Hiss well intentioned belief that 1800 century thinking can work in a 21st century world is dangerous.

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  24. vertigo0331

    What’s bullshit is that even as the European economy collapses and medical care declines in quality while rising in cost, you would say “Hey, do what we did.”

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  25. ideapowerfulweapon

    I work in healthcare as a RN and like Ron Paul I support putting the consumer back into the market. Even if you are for single payer, it still makes sense to turn the HC market back into a cash driven system. We can still have a limited private or govt run safety net at a fraction of the cost if the cash market is put back into the system.

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  26. RonPaulgirls

    ALRIGHT RON IS BACK…..

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  27. Dan474834

    Yes, I know that. But as Ron Paul himself has mentioned, a transition process would be needed.

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  28. Fyreguy16

    But do you understand why health care is so expensive? Because the government has a monopoly on it… If there were competition in the market for health care, the prices would plummet. What are you blaming the high price of health care on? Capitalism? lolololololol….

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  29. Fyreguy16

    Lol its so funny, every single day i see you posting these comments. Clearly you’re an ignorant, immature child because you refuse to look at any of the evidence against your claims. You just continue to ramble on, trolling people. Why? Why are you wasting your time? Do you understand why healthcare is so expensive? because the government has a monopoly on it… can you comprehend this? So many people are replying to you, telling you why you’re wrong and you just refuse to accept it… sheep….

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  30. SgtTravisBickle

    That’s stupid. You read too much Socialist propaganda and repeat it like a parrot.

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  31. VGTheater

    ignorant at its best.

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  32. Beau Jones

    I’ve been poor and have never been denied quick, good healthcare. Not from the government, but from Christian charities, it’s called kindness and a lot of people would rather donate to kind charities than to a government that can’t properly run anything.

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  33. Beau Jones

    You probably think minimum wage helps the poor too.

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  34. rockshot100

    What is hard to understand about this?

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  35. eliezerlazarus

    Dr Paul will prevail. The American people will live and die FREE

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