248 responses to “Ron Paul: Stop Nation Building & Cut Military Spending to Keep Us Free and Safe”

  1. knight4justice

    Hilary needs to learn her history better.

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  2. 1991jmoney

    or

    Notes of a meeting of bin Laden and others on August 20, 1988 indicate Al-Qaeda was a formal group by that time. Basically an organized faction.It just wasn't called Al-Qaeda yet. Under operation cyclone the US gave money to the rebels through Pakistan's ISI. Osama had met with and had ties with Hamid Gul who was in charge of the Pakistan's ISI.

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  3. 1991jmoney

    or

    Notes of a meeting of bin Laden and others on August 20, 1988 indicate Al-Qaeda was a formal group by that time. Basically an organized faction.It just wasn't called Al-Qaeda yet. Under operation cyclone the US gave money to the rebels through Pakistan's ISI. Osama had met with and had ties with Hamid Gul who was in charge of the Pakistan's ISI.

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  4. 1991jmoney

    There is a video on youtube of Hilary Clinton admitting we funded the same people were fighting.

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  5. 1991jmoney

    It doesn't matter when Al-Qaeda formed we funded Bin Laden's legion of "holy warriors" that were fighting in Afghanistan. It simply wasn't called Al-Qaeda at the time.Obviously Bin Laden was in some sort of power if he was able to meet with King Fahd.

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  6. knight4justice

    The Soviet Union pulled our of Afghanistan in February 89. Al Qaeda didnt form until August 89 at the earliest. The war was over and we werent funding the Afghanis by that point.

    Bin Laden was outraged by foreign troops on Saudi soil in 91 during the Gulf War. Check your dates before posting.

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  7. 1991jmoney

    Al-Qaeda was formed in 1989. Al-Qaeda was founded by Osama Bin Laden After returning home and being outraged by the presence of foreign troops in Saudi Arabia. There was many groups that fought in Afghanistan. OBl's Arab group fought in Afghanistan to wage Jihad on the Soviets. OBL's group became AL-Qaeda in 1989. We gave his group funding and training as they fought along with the Afghan people.

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  8. knight4justice

    Osama Bin Ladens Jihad against America did not start two weeks before 9/11. He had previous attacks on the world trade center, embassy bombings, USS Cole attack and more. How you are able to tie the Palestinian situation in to 9/11 is beyond me. It was because of our treaty with Saudi Arabia which I described in my previous comment. Go read a history book rather than Ron Paul propaganda.

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  9. knight4justice

    in 1945 we made a treaty with Saudi Arabia, they give us oil in exchange we will give them military protection. When Saddam invaded Kuwait and threatened Saudi Arabia we honored our end of the treaty (the Constitution obligates us to do) and came tot he defense of Saudi Arabia. Osama didnt like infidel soldiers on Islamic holy land which is when he began his Jihad against America and 9/11 followed. It didnt have a thing to do with our support for Israel. It was our treaty with Saudi Arabia

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  10. WAVETUBE84

    No Afghanis were involved in the9-11incident.But,Afghanistan and Pakistan were breeding grounds for Islamic extremists.Their primary grievance was USA's 100% backing of israel. israel (jews) have continuously oppressed,killed,jailed and stole the Arab-Palestinians' land.They(the Muslim World)agreed with the jewish concept of the illegality of disenfranchising,relocating,and genocide of a people,because of their race/religion.The Arabs then brought up the Palestinians.9-11 occured 2weeks later.

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  11. WAVETUBE84

    Russia was collapsing, at that time, regardless who was in office. Reagan made the MIC boardmembers rich, while Americans skipped from one recession to the next. After the Reagan's terms, Bush Sr. had to ride out the costs of the Reagan years: The 1992 Recession. The Military Industrialists needed an excuse for more funding, hence the Iraq War #1. You have to be really naive not to see this (or maybe you weren't alive during that period of time).

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  12. knight4justice

    well you are trying to say that a military build up is a domestic policy (even though we sent a lot of our soldiers to Europe). It is perfectly logical to ask what you call helping build up other countries military's. You are splitting hairs so badly I thought you were going to try to say its also part of some sort of domestic policy and its still non interventionism.

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  13. HandyMan101

    "While I admit the increasing foreign aid is against non-intervention."
    - HandyMan101

    are you just emotionally responding to my posts? or are you actually reading them....

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  14. knight4justice

    so what do you call Reagan sending money to other counties like Britain, France and West Germany to build their militaries to help us fight the Soviet Union if war broke out? Was that a domestic action? Was it non interventionism? It was Reagan ignoring Ron Paul like what I said to begin with.

    Do you think Ron Paul would have said "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall"?

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  15. knight4justice

    The Taliban didnt form until the 90s and it was formed in Pakistan not Afghanistan and the Soviet occupation was over by that point. But Ron Paul twists the truth around to make it look like we support the Taliban during the 80s in Afghanistan.

    Secondly, when we went in in 2001, the Afghanis overwhelmingly turned against the Taliban and helped us out.Ron Paul instead distorts the truth, makes it sound like we were paying OBL during the 80s to push his libertarian agenda.

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  16. HandyMan101

    It is the responsiblity of the United States government to fight for OUR defense.

    Sending kids off to die for the defense of other countries is immoral.

    I'm sorry you can't see that.
    And I'm sorry your allowed to vote.

    Increasing the military is a domestic action. Not an interventionist one.
    Try to learn the difference.

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  17. 1991jmoney

    Ron Paul doesn't try to make America look bad. The Taliban formed during the soviet occupation of Afghanistan. We were giving the people that became the Taliban money. It's not about pushing any Agenda it's not about parties its about common sense. Your logic doesn't make sense.The "them" that we funded is the Taliban while it was forming.

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  18. knight4justice

    My fellow Americans, I am pleased to tell you I just signed legislation which outlaws Russia forever. The bombing begins in five minutes.
    Ronald Reagan

    Just because there was not war doesnt mean it was non interventionism. Increasing the military is action.

    Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!
    Ronald Reagan

    Ron Paul would have said "Mr. Gorbachev, I dont care if you tear down the wall or not. Someone will eventually tear down the wall but I dont want to offend you so please dont hurt me."

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  19. HandyMan101

    do you know what non-intervention means?

    If you see a fight, you don't get involved.
    We did not attack the USSR. We did not invade. Even with missiles in Cuba we called them up and backed down from War. While I admit the increasing foreign aid is against non-intervention. Threats are just words, not action. "intervention" is action. "rightly so" lol So you know what would have happened if we hadn't done those things? What's it like to predict the future?

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  20. knight4justice

    Reagan did a defense build up, threatened war against the Soviet Union and bolstered our allies military and increased foreign aid. That is not non interventionism. Exact opposite of what Ron Paul says. Reagan ignored Ron Paul and rightly so.

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  21. knight4justice

    please stop with the Ron Paul propaganda. OBL was not the leader of any groups during the 80s. The Taliban and Al Qaeda didnt even exist when we were funding Afghani rebel groups. Then us funding them worked out in the end because when we went in, the Northern Alliance helped us in overthrowing the Taliban. Lets see Ron Paul talk about the Northern Alliance helping us. But Ron Paul prefers to make America look as bad as possible to push his libertarian agenda.

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  22. 1991jmoney

    OBL's forces were trained and supplied with weapons by the United States. We currently support the rebel uprisings overthrowing dictators that we put in power. If the United States supports democracy they shouldn't fund dictators. Afghanistan was and is a money vacuum. The Soviet Union ran out of money from being there to long. "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". More like "fund my enemy and then fight them later with the money we gave them".

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  23. HandyMan101

    Stop ignoring the good parts and only focusing on the bad. I don't endorse Regeans choices, but in this one regard it follows Ron Paul's advice.

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  24. HandyMan101

    I don't know what Regan recieved as Advice... But non intervention means not invading a country, sanctions, or doing anything aggressive at them.

    Regan did that, according to Ron Paul's motto of non intervention.

    As bad as the spending was, and the debt, and the military build up, Ron Paul has often said something that they had "30,000 missiles pointed at us, and we didn't have to fight them"

    Sounds like Regan did what Ron Paul preaches in terms of aggression\nonintervention

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  25. knight4justice

    I was talking about military aggression also. Firing bullets is just one aspect. you cant pick some small aspect and ignore everything else then say Reagan followed Ron Paul's advice.

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  26. HandyMan101

    I was speaking in terms of military aggression.

    I never even touched on those other topics...

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  27. iamELmicha

    Namaste

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  28. knight4justice

    Reagan did the exact opposite of what Ron Paul wanted. Reagan increased military spending, increased aid to our allies, and cut all trade with the Soviet Union violating Ron Paul idea of free trade with all nations. All of which Ron Paul opposed. Ron Paul wanted to not help our allies by cutting aid and overseas spending to them, cut military spending, and have free trade with the Soviet Union to increase relations with them. How is that following Ron Pauls advice?

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  29. knight4justice

    We would give money to Mubarak because he was an enemy of the Muslim Brotherhood, signed a peace treaty with Israel and was pro America

    we funded Saddam b/c Khomeini attacked our embassy unprovoked and tried to overthrow Saddam in the 80s. The enemy of my enemy is my friend

    We funded the Afghanis in the 80s because the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan and lost. How are you going to say nothing good came out of that? OBL was a soldier on the ground. Saying we funded OBL is twisting history

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  30. knight4justice

    secondly, Soviet Union did collapse through US intervention. The problem with you Ron Paul supporters is you dont understand leadership or foreign policy. The Soviet Union did start to fall apart from the inside, but it was under the leadership of Reagan that people united around and it was Reagan standing up to the Soviet Union is when people united to remove the Soviet Union. It didnt happen on its own. It collapsed through US intervention not on its own.

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  31. knight4justice

    first, go watch the presidential debate at the Reagan library. Rick Perry said that Ron Paul sent a letter to Reagan threatening to leave the party and Ron Paul admitted it was true then went on attacking Reagan.

    Ron Paul did not manage to avert a nuclear war. Reagan cut all trade with the Soviet Union, increased military spending, increased aid to our allies, all of which Ron Paul opposed. Saying Reagan did what Ron Paul wanted because there wasnt a war is called lying through omission.

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  32. MyMrBlister

    "Lybia was illegal under Obama"
    Wrong. Read the War Powers Act.

    "We didn't have social programs until 1935 and before that the country was not like somalia"
    And when capitalism failed and the Great Depression hit, the poor and elderly were left to fend for themselves, hence the need for social programs

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  33. MyMrBlister

    Ron Paul is a failure (accomplished nothing in cogress)
    Ron Paul is a hypocrite (secures earmarks while railing aginst them)
    Ron Paul is mentally unstable (believes in 18th century solutions to 21st century problems)

    Ron Paul will NEVER be president

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  34. 1991jmoney

    Lybia was illegal under Obama. We didn't have social programs until 1935 and before that the country was not like "somalia". You do realize if you are under 50 you will never get a penny in social security that doesn't that bother you? The taxes collected don't even pay for the social programs alone. They are paid for by inflating the dollar and printing more money.

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  35. MyMrBlister

    Yes he's entitled to it, I won't disagree with you there. But given his wealth, Ron Paul has a unique oppertunity to stand on principle and lead by example by refusing to take it. Just think of how much respect he would get from taking a stand like that, but just like Ayn Rand, Ron Paul is a HUGE hypocite.

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