Ron Paul Delegates FURIOUS over RNC Betrayal

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  1. knight4justice

    I am going to send you a private message with a video linked to it. I cant post it here but in the video there is a former member of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards who worked as a spy for the CIA. He has a book out now “A Time to Betray”. He goes through the steps on how to remove the IRI without a war and how much involvement would be necessary. Just give me a couple minutes because I have to find the exact spot in the video.

    »crosslinked«

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  2. bronson8601

    I would support action to help, but how much? All this has to be clear, and detailed about any involvement. The US debt is a problem (but they’ll just print more money) The terrorists will spin it as an invasion. Letting the Iranians get past the regime’s propedganda, and educating them on our involvement is crucial.

    I’d love to say that we go in, and come out with everything’s fine. That’s severely sugarcoating the daunting task ahead. We can do it, but it will be a hard task.

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  3. knight4justice

    but those werent the people in the poll I quoted. On one side you have the Iranian people, Army and police force who are very pro Western and hate their government. then on the other side you have the Basij, Hezbollah, and the Islamic Revolutionary Guards who support the IRI. That poll I quoted came from the regime loyalists. That means the regime loyalists are turning against the government they were specifically created to protect.

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  4. bronson8601

    Okay, I misundersood that.
    The people don’t matter as far as their regime goes (you’ve already stated some examples). The regime has power, and it can stop their flow of oil. The regime uses it’s military for power, and the people are mostly powerless. The military could mutiny, but it won’t be pretty, and I won’t guess who emerges victorious. (Egypt)
    I’m pretty sure the US task force will be done away of their naval capabilities if they try to shut the strait down, as far as I’m concerned.

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  5. knight4justice

    We cant remove the Mullahs in a slow and controlled manner. It has to be Revolution. They wont go peacefully, June 2009 proved that.

    You are right about a power vaccuum, I will concede that point to you. But it will work in our favor because the Iranians people are going to look to the West for help so it would be very simple to take action in Iran that would help both us and the Iranians.

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  6. bronson8601

    Maybe we might not need foreign troops, but like I’ve said, it’s incredibly hard to do so in a slow and controlled manner. History has been hard when it comes to revolutions. Some foreign help, a proper democracy, an interim government supported by the people (no power vaccum), and much more still need to be done. Oil, military, and stuff like that needs to be nailed down. The Mullahs won’t reliqusish power easily, and their retaliation (probably will) be brutal.

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  7. knight4justice

    Iran doesnt have their uranium weaponized yet. They are close to nukes but dont have them yet. Or if I was a gambler I would say they dont.

    There was an opinion poll in Iran taken on their Fars News agency. That is the official website of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards, they asked do you support closing the Stait of Hormuz. 90% of them said no they dont support it. They also asked do you support their nuclear program. 70% said no they dont. And these are the extremists saying this.

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  8. bronson8601

    Iran can. The whole Strait of Hormuz thing? No one noticed the high gas prices and the releasing of key reserves of oil? I thought you said that Iran has nukes…though I could be wrong.
    We helped the Libyians. Look what happened there. One could argue we did more wrong than right there. Again, the whole logistics of a safe revolution is very hard. Unless we can execute it perfectly, I suggest not doing anything for now.

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  9. knight4justice

    The Iranian people and Iranian Army can do all that for us. They HATE their own government. Last year, the Islamic Republic executed 5 Iranian generals in 5 days for not being loyal enough and in June 2009, they have 35 high ranking officer arrested and executed because they were planning on staging a military coup and overthrowing the Islamic Republic.

    We dont need foreign troops and it cant be slow, safe and controlled. The Mullahs have made it clear they wont go peacefully like the Shah.

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  10. knight4justice

    Iran cant shut down oil. In 1988 we sunk 60% of the Iranian navy in 3 hours. Unless they have nukes, they cant do anything to us.

    you remember what happened in June 2009 Iran, millions of Iranians came out to overthrow the IRI but Obama said he had no intention of intervening and wanted negotiations. so the Mullahs agreed to negotiations, crushed the Iranian people, then withdrew from negotiations. Send out a message to the Iranian people and they will come out against the IRI.

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  11. bronson8601

    cont’d
    it might help them, but how much money is the US spending is on this? that’s a big reason for the massive us debt. how does this help the US security and defence, i do not know. this is not the cold war anymore.

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  12. bronson8601

    there will always be terrorists. there will always be radicals. they aren’t all organized under a single organization. they can be individuals acting in their own because of who knows what
    blowback is a predictable consequence by occuping an nation, and can be spun into an invasion, though it’s done with the best intentions
    taiwan, sk, israel, and many other countries are under us protection. it might be under treaty, but the us troops are why nk has a huge military, and how the regime has power

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  13. bronson8601

    If we are to do anything, it must be agreed upon, slow, safe, and controlled. There must be a supported interim government to stop a power vaccum. Troops will have to take out any hold-outs. Retaliation with nukes and the military will have to be dealt with with foreign troops (and not be spun as an invasion). True democracy must be put in place and no corruption like in Afg. must occur. That’s just scratching the surface. All this has to be done to ensure a safe coup/revolution.

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  14. bronson8601

    How do we help them rise up without using bullets? If you can think of a way like that, then good for the world I do believe the regime should be overthrown but slow and controlled, and not forced down their throats
    Again, on paper it seems like a good plan and I’d like to support it, but trying to do so while minimizeing violence, and not let Iran shutting all oil and using it’s nukes which is alleged
    Using a nation to control a region is how you send people right in the hands of the terrorists

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  15. knight4justice

    The Iranian people are the most pro Western people in the Middle East,the Iranians have always been friends with Israel and have always been pro America and they hate the Mullahs ruling their country. Support the Iranian people in rising up against the Mullahs and we can remove the Mullahs without ever firing a bullet and Iran will become our strongest regional ally. We can use Iran to control the Mid east and we pull out of it

    We end our Mid East involvement and destroy the mother of terrorism

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  16. bronson8601

    Of course there will always be radicals, no doubt about that. Going in to stop them is going to be another Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya. Revolutions are always going to be harmful, and there’s no telling what could happen if a power vaccum is in Iran, and the Western world can’t control it.
    The point of free trade with them is bad? We already trade with them for oil! The whole Strait of Hormuz fiasco illustrate’s our dependence on them. No trade with them=collapse of economy.

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  17. knight4justice

    Mutually assured destruction does not work on people who are suicidal. The Mullahs ruling Iran view martyrdom as the highest calling and only guaranteed way to heaven. To them there is no greater honor than to die for Allah while fighting the infidels.

    “Iran can burn in hell provided Islam emerges triumphant” Khomeini

    “We do not view Iran as our own as all Islamic nations are part of our revolution, a revolution without borders” Khomeini

    The Mullahs dont have a problem sacrificing Iran

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  18. knight4justice

    I think you are forgetting about the terrorist attacks in France, Spain, Britain, Denmark, Argentina, Bulgaria, and more. They arent meddling and the terrorists are still attacking them. This entire blowback argument from Ron Paul is pure bull shit because he doesnt know his basic facts.

    you realize we are under treaty with Korea to aide them. A treaty legally passed through our Congress that the Constitution gives us the right to do. We can be over there.

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  19. knight4justice

    I call passing laws that say women have to be raped before execution bad. I call publicly hanging people from cranes, executing 30,000 political prisoners, rigging elections then bringing in foreign paramilitary forces to violently crush your own citizens bad. All of which the Mullahs ruling Iran have done.

    If our policy is driving Iranians to terrorism, why do the Mullahs use mostly foreign fighters and the commander of the Iranian Basij is Iraqi. They have no room to talk about foreigners

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  20. bronson8601

    the FIRST tea party event was held as a protest, and was the first moneybomb for RP’s campaign. he never imagined it would turn into a movement. he doesn’t control it or ever has.
    it’s because of that first protest that there even is one today, and he’s the godfather of the movement, not the leader or founder, but the godfather

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  21. bronson8601

    libertarians are destroying the voice of the people? what about the republicans and the democrats? did RP have billions to spend? no, it was about being thrifty and he couldn’t compete with the billionaires. anyone can go to the caucuses, and if you don’t like it, get likeminded people to flood the caucus, and “even them out”. it’s not the libs fault that not enough people who opposed them showed up.

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  22. bronson8601

    I’m not certain about that, but you can’t be certain either. The sources of the news is very sketchy.
    Iran is under a regime that is tyranical, yes, and I can’t say I’m an expert in Iranian law, and inside the country. I can’t defend their stances on human rights, but what I can do is say, the US holds so much power (only superpower). Why are there lots of US bases around Iran, and why is the US so concerned? Mutually Assured Destruction.

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  23. bronson8601

    I don;t want them to have a nuke, but that doesn’t mean that they must be stopped. The terrorists come because the US keeps meddling. Do you see terrorists go to Sweden, Canada, Australia or other places?
    RP might not be completely right, but Romney/Obama are completely wrong. What place does the US have in Korea, Israel, and other places?
    Look at the Arab Spring. We help, and blowback occurs. Meddling is only going to make it worse

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  24. bronson8601

    What gives a nation the right to judge another nation, come in, overthrow a govenment, and prop anothe one?
    What gives you the right to judge others? What”s your definition of good and bad? Being the policemen of the world drives those citizens to the terrorists, for protection against the invaders. It’s the biggest threat to national security, and that’s the biggest betrayal to the constitution

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  25. knight4justice

    The Mullahs are also the ones who during the Iran Iraq war, gave their children a plastic key which they told them was their key to heaven and sent them running across minefields blowing themselves up. The Mullahs also are the world leaders in executions and they publicly execute people by hanging them from cranes and have women raped before execution. Ron Paul wants negotiations and free trade with these evil people? What Ron Paul wants is a betrayal of everything America stands for.

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  26. knight4justice

    Then Ron Paul tells the complete lie that Iran hates us for 1953. All Ron Paul needed to do was pick up a history book to know that isnt true. The Shah was in power since 1941, we didnt install the Shah. In 1953 Khomeini supported the Shah in 1953 and Ayatollah Kashani said that Mossadegh needed to be executed. Khomeini supported the Shah until 1963 when the Shah gave women the right to vote. Either Ron Paul is lying or he is appalling ignorant of basic facts in the Middle East.

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  27. knight4justice

    what is wrong with non-interventionism? Rafsanjani said that if 20 million Iranians die destroying Israel it would be worth it. The Mullahs ruling Iran are also the number one killer of Americans pre and post 9/11. Do you really want them getting a nuclear bomb? Ron Paul not only shows he has no understanding of the murderous ideology of the Mullahs ruling Iran, but he also shows dangerous lapses of memory because what he is proposing is exactly what Obama did in 2009 that was a total failure

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  28. knight4justice

    Ron Paul told complete lies like when he said there is no evidence Iran is working on a nuclear bomb even though they have enough enriched uranium for 6 nuclear bombs at their Natanz facility and out of their Bushehr nuclear plant they will be able to produce 60 nuclear bombs a year out of it.

    Then he said Iran wanted to a nuclear weapon to be treated more respectfully. If Iran wanted to be treated more respectfully, why would they pass laws that said women have to be raped before execution?

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  29. bronson8601

    /watch?v=FqAF-Alc7CM
    He puts it better than I ever can. What pure lies did he speak? Why is non-interventionism bad?

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  30. knight4justice

    من ایرانی نیستم اما من زبان پرسی حرف می زدم. من در دانشگا امریکا زبان پارسی درس می خوادم. مرگ بر احمدی‌نژاد و مرگ بر خامنه‌ای.

    If you really want to get into Iranian history I would be willing to do that. I know the language spoken in Iran so you might be at a disadvantage. It was after I watched Ron Paul speak pure lies about Iran at the Iowa debate is when I stopped supporting him. Out of every candidate up there, Ron Paul is the biggest pathological liar when it comes to foreign policy.

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  31. knight4justice

    The Tea Party got going after Glenn Beck put the largest rally together that a tv host ever put together. Glenn Beck put as many people in DC in one day as many people in the country voted for Ron Paul. No one can claim leadership or founding of the Tea Party. Its a grass roots movement.

    America is of the people, by the people, and for the people. how are you going to say popular vote means nothing? The Libertarians tried to destroy the voice of the people with a delegate only strategy

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  32. bronson8601

    so the person who organized the first tea party protest is somehow not the person who’s the reason why it exists today? what logic it that?
    is there a rule that people are only allowed to show up at a caucus, but porporioned to the popular vote? the popular vote means nothing, and RP did exceptionally well in them.
    it’s because of interventionism that the world resents the us. stop being the policing the world, replacing regimes with illegitamite ones. (check iranian history please)

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  33. knight4justice

    in the 2008 election, Ron Paul got 5% of the vote. You cannot say the Tea Party spawned from that

    u are right in an ideal world everyone negotiates, but we all know that the Libertarians refuse to negotiate. It was the Libertarians who tried to steal the election through delegate only and without winning the popular vote in a single state. And it was the Libertarians who advocated free trade with the Mullahs ruling Iran. Then the Libertarians cant figure out why they are shunned.

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  34. bronson8601

    The first tea party protests were a part of Paul’s ’08 election. The tea party movement spawned from that. He is, the godfather of the movement, but in no way controls it, hence the word movement,
    I never said everyone likes RP in the tea party, but he’s the reason it exists today.

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  35. bronson8601

    I’m listing ways that they are the same, which coincides with Dr. Paul’s beliefs, which is why many support him.
    The 2 party system limits the grassroots, makes people vote for the lesser of 2 evils, and narrows down democracy. The Reps. shunned the libertarians from their party. If it worked, the 2 party system, then go right ahead as you please, but it doesn’t work.
    In an IDEAL world, everyone working together to remain in the centre should work.

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