1,311 responses to “Ron Paul: Secession Is an American Principle”

  1. LORDOFWARS8

    As per US rules it is not treason..in Sweden and other countries it might be…Currently, after election, 25+K (the critical limit) folks signed to secede from US..so now the current administration officially has to respond to that…not that anything big will happen..but there is such process for that..BTW, pls. dont call people names just becuz u dont agree with them..it shows your lack of mental strength to discuss anything meaningful

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  2. john42t

    Yeah, the heroic Sovjets stopped them after their infamous Hitler-Stalin-pact wasn’t honoured by Hitler – when they faced the choice between actual annihalation and biting back, they finally bit back. Before that, they were allies. – And yes, the average education is better in Europe (at least northern Europe) than it is in the US. As I said, the Third Reich also had a better average education than the US had back then. If that’s you’re standard, it sure as hell isn’t mine.

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  3. Markunator

    Ahem, no. The Nazis were defeated by the Soviets.

    And I’m not talking about inventions, I’m talking about standards of living.

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  4. john42t

    Nazism, the scum that was my ancestors, were defeated by Americans. And to your superiority delusion: The Americans invented basically every major innovation in the last 50 years, including the most important internet innovations like facebook and google.

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  5. Markunator

    We ARE superior to Americans, at least in the sense that our standards of living are far better. Also, how the FUCK did the Americans force us to “come to our senses”? Are you high or something?

    Given that you apparently mourned the loss of Andrew Breitbart, I suppose I shouldn’t be too surprised …

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  6. john42t

    On a different note, “we” were also already more secular and better educated back when it was still the early 1940ties and “we” were killing each other off in the millions, “we” turned humans into lampshades and “we” had to be forced to come to senses by those uneducated Americans you feel you’re so superior to.

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  7. john42t

    I’m German, an atheist, a mathematician and I work in IT.

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  8. Markunator

    I’m not antagonizing Americans, and us Europeans aren’t much different from you Americans, except that we’re more secular and far better educated.

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  9. john42t

    You might want to make a point I can say something meaningful to.

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  10. john42t

    How would I know whether you’re a collectivist? I know that you’re a European doche who enjoys antagonizing Americans, I know that most Europeans are collectivists and I explained to you what a collectivist is. But maybe I’m wrong. You only need to say so. But of course you won’t.

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  11. KayBeeEee1983

    Have you heard of the US Constitution?

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  12. john42t

    I generally support the death penalty and am usually delighted to see idiot occupiers being pepper-sprayed at. So I’m clearly not your garden variety anarchist but much rather a law-and-order supporter (more than anybody else I personally know). – Still, appeals to authority in the realm of *ideas* don’t impress me.

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  13. KayBeeEee1983

    So you’re just an anarchist. Gotcha.

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  14. john42t

    Appeals to authority don’t impress me.

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  15. Markunator

    Well, Washington, DC is still the capital. And you haven’t really explained to me how I’m a collectivist, exactly?

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  16. Markunator

    Wanting to secede is technically treason.

    But if you want to leave, go ahead. Have fun in your little redneck theocracy (because that is what an independent Texas would be).

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  17. KayBeeEee1983

    It’s the states forcing the renegade state to remain in the Union, which is a natural right according to Thomas Jefferson.
    “When any one state in the American Union refuses obedience to the Confederation by which they have bound themselves, the rest have a natural right to compel them to obedience.”
    And James Madison shares similar sentiments.
    “it was not necessary to find a right to coerce in the Federal Articles, that being inherent in the nature of a compact.”

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  18. john42t

    I agree. It’s the fact that that particular state is then forced to remain in the union that proves the tyrannical nature of that federal government. Obvious, really.

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  19. LORDOFWARS8

    wikipedia(.)org/wiki/Secession_in_the_United_States

    We fought a big civil war about it…not having the ability to secede is slavery/coercion/bondage/abuse of power/dependece (as in opposite of independence) in American lingo…

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  20. john42t

    A collectivist is somebody who identifies himself with a group – a country, usually. Or Europe, or mankind, or “society”, or “the Umma”. Collectivism is more strong in Europe than in the US, hence the historical popularity of Nazism, Communism and, today, humanism and welfare-statism. To identify a group of people on a patch of land with the government or the capital of that patch of land is a typical way of thinking for a collectivist.

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  21. Markunator

    What’s a “European collectivist”, exactly, and how am I one, whatever it is?

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  22. john42t

    And “being the capital of” doesn’t equal “being equal to”. It justifies no identification. You can be an Amercian patriot and hate the tyrants in Washington – no contradiction there, although that’s surely a notion difficult to get one’s head round for European collectivists.

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  23. john42t

    And “being the capital of” doesn’t equal “being equal to”. It justifies no identification. You can be an Amercian patriot and hate the tyrants in Washington – no contradiction there, although that’s surely a notion difficult to get one’s head round for European collectivists.

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  24. Markunator

    Also, what do you mean, “till the rest of the world keeps buying the dollar”? (That sentence doesn’t even make grammatical sense.)

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  25. Markunator

    How can LEAVING AMERICA not be un-American?

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  26. LORDOFWARS8

    If you only knew and your ilk could! BTW, why don’t you concentrate on your Swedish politics…We, Americans are fine till the rest of the worlld keep buying the dollar!

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  27. Markunator

    Umm, it’s the capital of America?

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  28. KayBeeEee1983

    Just because a state claims the federal government is being tyrannical, doesn’t mean the federal government actually is being tyrannical.

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  29. john42t

    You’re right that they are the same, and it’s a very important point. Kicking out the parasite and leaving a tyranny and two ways at looking at the same thing.

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  30. john42t

    Washington, D.C., is not America.

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  31. SCOTTY BOTTORFF

    It can be argued that the seccession was successful just put on hold, There has never been a state expeled from the union. California, oralgun, new york and illinoise would be perfect states to expele from the union it also would save the treasury trillions.It would also neutralize the dictatorial edits and illegal mandates coming from non governmental oroganizations masqerating as kommisskupal councils

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  32. HPoelzig

    Thanks, Paul, for being such a loser you brought Mitt Romney down with yu.

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  33. HPoelzig

    Thanks, Paul, for being such a loser you brought Mitt Romney down with yu.

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  34. KayBeeEee1983

    “The compact being among individuals as imbodied into States, no State can at pleasure release itself therefrom, and set up for itself. The compact can only be dissolved by the consent of the other parties, or by usurpations or abuses of power justly having that effect. It will hardly be contended that there is anything in the terms or nature of the compact, authorizing a party to dissolve it at pleasure.”
    – James Madison

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  35. mikeyramone33

    yes and and illegal aliens cant be given special status but they have!

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