Ron Paul: This weekend I got a couple of calls from the media asking me questions about Rick Perry, our governor here in Texas and the statements he made about possible secession. Now, he didn’t call for secession, but he was restating a principle that was long held and at least in the original time of our country, and that is that there was a right to secession.
Actually, after the Civil War, nobody believes there is a so-called right to secession, but it is a very legitimate issue to debate because all of the states that came into the Union before the Civil War believed they have a right to secede and New England in the early part of the 19th century actually considered it, and nobody questioned them about whether they had the right to do it or not.
Since the Civil War, it’s been sort of a dead issue, but he brought it up. It stirred the media and believe me, it really stirred some of the liberal media where they started really screaming about what is going on here. “This is un-American”, I heard one individual say, “This is treasonous to even talk about it.”
Well, they don’t know their history very well because if they think about it, it’s an American tradition. It’s very American to talk about secession. That’s how we came into being. Thirteen colonies seceded from the British and established a new country, so secession is very much an American principle.
What about all the strong endorsements we have given over the past decade or two of those republics that seceded from the Soviet system? We were delighted with this. We never said, “Oh no. Secession is treasonous”.
No. Secession is a good principle. Just think of the benefits that would have come over these last 230-some years if the principle of secession had existed. That means the federal government would always have been restrained, not to overburden the states with too much federalism, too many federal rules and regulations.
But since that was all wiped out with the Civil War, the federal government has grown by leaps and bounds and we have suffered the consequences, and we need to reconsider this. It’s not un-American to think about the possibility of secession. This is something that’s voluntary. We came together voluntarily. A free society means you can dissolve it voluntarily. That was the whole issue was about.
Just remember one of the reasons that Wilson drove us in unnecessarily into World War I. He talked about what we have to give, have every country in the world the benefit of self-determination, a good principle. Of course, I don’t think he really believed that. But self-determination is a good principle. It’s a very American principle, so to me it’s a shame that we can’t discuss this.
You know, it’s interesting that so many of us have been taught for so many years, and as long as I can remember from the first grade on up taking the pledge of allegiance that we have a republic that’s “indivisible” and we have been preached that and preached it. So therefore, there is no contest, no question since the Civil War that we have even the thought that this could happen.
But you know what a lot of people don’t talk about and they really don’t even know about is who wrote the pledge to the flag. The pledge to the flag came from, for instance, Bellamy, an avowed Socialist who wanted to put into concrete in the pledge this principle of being indivisible, and he did it, you know, for the celebration ironically 400 years of the celebration of the landing of Christopher Columbus, so it was in 1892.
I mean, the pledge of allegiance has not been here, you know, all our history. So I think it’s worth of discussion. I think people should discuss this because right now, the American people are sick and tired of it all and I think the time will come when people will consider it much more seriously is when the federal government can no longer deliver. That time will come when the dollar collapses.
No matter what they do and how many promises they have and how many bailouts they have, they can’t do it if the money doesn’t work. So then, the independence of the states will come back and it doesn’t mean that you’ll be un-American to even contemplate what might have to be done once the dollar crashes.
While this video was originally recorded on 4/19/2009, Ron Paul spokeswoman Rachel Mills confirmed earlier today (11/13/2012) that Ron Paul “feels the same now” about secession as he did in this video.
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The evidence that points to him being a homosexual is insufficient. While there is no proving he wasn’t gay, if you look at all of the evidence, you’ll see that it was very common for men to behave that way in the 19th century; a form of companionship that is lost today. Also, he was in love with at least two women in his life. He was neither a racist nor a tyrant. Everybody was a racist back then by today’s standards. He welcomed the South home openly& pushed for no punishment. You lose.
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YES HE WAS!
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You are gravely mistaken. If you read your own country’s constitution it doesn’t state anywhere that secession is illegal…FACT! In 1852 Abraham Lincoln gave a speech in Illinois arguing that if people, anywhere in the world, were unhappy with their government they had a right to start their own. You can find this speech on the web or maybe go to your local library…it’s recorded historical FACT! You really should learn your own country’s history.
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Well no, no he wasn’t.
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ABRAHAM LINCOLN WAS A HOMOSEXUAL RACIST TYRANT!
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So if we accept that premise. What is the value of such a supposedly self-evident prediction then? Of course all things are finite, duh. That information has no practical value in a human context whatsoever..
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aaahhhh
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aaahhhh
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Abraham Lincoln is the only President to illegally invade his own country. He did so not to free slaves but to preserve the union (he openly admitted this). He did this because he wanted the scandously high taxes the southern states were paying to Washington. Virginia and Tennessee sided with the South because they refused to allow federal troops to march through their states to attack others. 13 states seceded in 1776. It’s a legal, constitutional, american right to do so.
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the north treaty slaves like animals,the south treaty slaves like families,and 10% of the slaves owners in the south were black.lincoln was just fighting to centralize power.the north could not even fight in the civil war next to blacks,they would kill each other and they had to dissolved those groups,the south did,the slaves ate the same food ass the whites and same riffles.the north just put the slaves in the front lines to save more white men as lincoln stated.
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the north treaty slaves like animals,the south treaty slaves like families,and 10% of the slaves owners in the south were black.lincoln was just fighting to centralize power.the north could not even fight in the civil war next to blacks,they would kill each other and they had to dissolved those groups,the south did,the slaves ate the same food ass the whites and same riffles.the north just put the slaves in the front lines to save more white men as lincoln stated.
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WE NEED TO SPREAD PSYCHEDELICS EVERYWHERE WE CAN AND BY DOING THIS DESTROY THE CULTURAL OPERATING SYSTEM THEY HAVE IMPOSED ON THE WORLD
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I like the cult of Ron Paul. His base is full of conspiracy theorist, thol
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Ron is a wise, respectable statesman. Where are the rest of them?
We need a new crop of leaders. Practical thinkers that care for the well-being of others. This is our country; we must lead it down the right path.
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I will state: I am not suggesting secession as a solution due to or in response of an elected Presidential official, Obama. I will not, however, stand against secession as I believe it the right of every state.
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Nor is there anything against secession. Not a single confederate was tried for treason, fact. Also, the federal government is only to govern with the confinement of the Constitution, as dictated by the tenth amendment. Which has on multiple occasions, has been violated by government. Therefore, the right to secession is always prominent when a higher governing entity fails to remain under its’ own limitations. Enjoy your day, sir.
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They WERE independant states. By signing the constitution, they became part of one great nation. There is NO provision for secession in our constitution. See the supremacy clause. Independance of the states is NOT part of the constitution. Self governance IS, subject to limitations provided bythe supremacy clause.
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The union is a done deal, the states are now self governing entitys under the constitution. I refer you all to the supremacy clause of said document.
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Treason? The founding of sovereign states, let me reiterate in case your Plymouth Rock education failed you, SOVEREIGN, INDEPENDENT STATES, were brought together to prevent tyranny from European powers. To fight for one’s own state, independent of all other states as constitutionally written, would never coincide with treason. Perhaps ignorance is bliss though. P.S. Union military were confident just as yourself when they went to battle. Bull Run, my friend, Bull Run.
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You’re the real trash. Patriotism is not loving your country blindly but questioning your county when its wrong. Like Iraq , NDAA, The FED and all these other evil creations.
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Hardly Jewish thank you. Family been here since Plymouth Rock. Great grandfather capt. under Washington. Four grandfathers dead in civil war. All men in my family including me served honorably. Just tired of insurrectionist rebel crap. We have elected our president and representatives and I’m tired of a sore loser minority getting in the way of governing.with such trash. I was just hoping to be done with shooting rebels. Its costly. But, the federal arsenal is down the street.
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ok, JEW master. our destiny will not be controlled by the new world order.
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Secession is treason, was in 1861, still is.
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“I can anticipate no greater calamity for the country than a dissolution of the Union.”
Robert E. Lee, Letter to his son, G. W. Custis Lee (23 January 1861 )
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“I can anticipate no greater calamity for the country than a dissolution of the Union.”
Robert E. Lee, Letter to his son, G. W. Custis Lee (23 January 1861 )
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The thing I have against Rick Perry is he wanted to secede because a black democrat was in office. But, then, then after the elections came up again he runs for president. The fuck?
Ron Paul defending a conservative proves he’s no different from them. Also, he mentioned all the good things that would happen from secession. So, slavery might still be allowed, southern states would be a different country, America wouldn’t exist. So much for his Consituation policies. And secession from the Union
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The Articles of Confederation several times states “union in perpetuity”. The United States Constitution suggests a change in sentiment regarding perpetual union by NOT referring to it even once.
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That depends on whether being American means being a part of a landmass or the ideas the country stand/stood for. I am not American so I will not sit here and preach to you about what the intentions for the country were, but assuming you think the USA is something more than a piece of land secession does not mean ‘unamerican’ in the way you frame it. I am not in any way saying secession is the way to go at this time, but being so offensively against talking about the principle seems childish.
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Please do remember that Lincoln did split the country as well because of his poor execution of the end of slavery.
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And some people want this guy to be president? seriously?? Instead of succeeding why not help unite the country? Isn’t that what Lincoln did?
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Someone should tell this old fool, ronnie paulie, that not wanting to be part of the United States is the VERY DEFINITION of be UNAMERIACAN! Rant from a clown.
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Talk about abusing the creative. I just want corporations overthrown, necessity governed by socialist principals, and people’s minds freed from the slavery called blissful ignorance. To obtain this, everyone has to work together. I’m sick of repubs vs dems. I want to see reality and compassion vs money and greed. the people shouldn’t be pit against themselves, but against the problems.
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The message should be that the States MUST secede…………..from the Globalist Union!
Stay united, stay sovereign……secede from the international banking cartel!
REPEAL BRETTON WOODS TREATY AND GET OUT OF THE UNITED NATION!
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Who is the enemy of the American people ?
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Its not going to happen anyway, until a break down occurs in the belief system. Enough to impact an internal change as well. I don’t see secession happening first, more like a last resort. I dispute the land claims, but its also a fruitless effort. A man tried to compete against the U.S. dollar with his own currency called liberty dollars, they labeled him a counterfeiter (he was not) and put him away for life.
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