Ron Paul: Secession Is an American Principle

Ron Paul: This weekend I got a couple of calls from the media asking me questions about Rick Perry, our governor here in Texas and the statements he made about possible secession. Now, he didn’t call for secession, but he was restating a principle that was long held and at least in the original time of our country, and that is that there was a right to secession.

Actually, after the Civil War, nobody believes there is a so-called right to secession, but it is a very legitimate issue to debate because all of the states that came into the Union before the Civil War believed they have a right to secede and New England in the early part of the 19th century actually considered it, and nobody questioned them about whether they had the right to do it or not.

Since the Civil War, it’s been sort of a dead issue, but he brought it up. It stirred the media and believe me, it really stirred some of the liberal media where they started really screaming about what is going on here. “This is un-American”, I heard one individual say, “This is treasonous to even talk about it.”

Well, they don’t know their history very well because if they think about it, it’s an American tradition. It’s very American to talk about secession. That’s how we came into being. Thirteen colonies seceded from the British and established a new country, so secession is very much an American principle.

What about all the strong endorsements we have given over the past decade or two of those republics that seceded from the Soviet system? We were delighted with this. We never said, “Oh no. Secession is treasonous”.

No. Secession is a good principle. Just think of the benefits that would have come over these last 230-some years if the principle of secession had existed. That means the federal government would always have been restrained, not to overburden the states with too much federalism, too many federal rules and regulations.

But since that was all wiped out with the Civil War, the federal government has grown by leaps and bounds and we have suffered the consequences, and we need to reconsider this. It’s not un-American to think about the possibility of secession. This is something that’s voluntary. We came together voluntarily. A free society means you can dissolve it voluntarily. That was the whole issue was about.

Just remember one of the reasons that Wilson drove us in unnecessarily into World War I. He talked about what we have to give, have every country in the world the benefit of self-determination, a good principle. Of course, I don’t think he really believed that. But self-determination is a good principle. It’s a very American principle, so to me it’s a shame that we can’t discuss this.

You know, it’s interesting that so many of us have been taught for so many years, and as long as I can remember from the first grade on up taking the pledge of allegiance that we have a republic that’s “indivisible” and we have been preached that and preached it. So therefore, there is no contest, no question since the Civil War that we have even the thought that this could happen.

But you know what a lot of people don’t talk about and they really don’t even know about is who wrote the pledge to the flag. The pledge to the flag came from, for instance, Bellamy, an avowed Socialist who wanted to put into concrete in the pledge this principle of being indivisible, and he did it, you know, for the celebration ironically 400 years of the celebration of the landing of Christopher Columbus, so it was in 1892.

I mean, the pledge of allegiance has not been here, you know, all our history. So I think it’s worth of discussion. I think people should discuss this because right now, the American people are sick and tired of it all and I think the time will come when people will consider it much more seriously is when the federal government can no longer deliver. That time will come when the dollar collapses.

No matter what they do and how many promises they have and how many bailouts they have, they can’t do it if the money doesn’t work. So then, the independence of the states will come back and it doesn’t mean that you’ll be un-American to even contemplate what might have to be done once the dollar crashes.

While this video was originally recorded on 4/19/2009, Ron Paul spokeswoman Rachel Mills confirmed earlier today (11/13/2012) that Ron Paul “feels the same now” about secession as he did in this video.


  • tradition doesnt mean its right… but fuck the south. i wish they would leave

  • Surfisher

    Secession Is an American Principle! (Ron Paul states it logically in the 4 minute video shown at the end)!

    It is not a question of IF, but WHEN, a State will secede!
    And the first viable State to secede will garner the most benefits (with the next States getting a bit less).

    The benefits of Secession are:

    1) The First State (that has a balanced budget) — let us say it’s Texas — will attract all freedom loving Americans. We will move lock-stock-and-barrel in the Millions to Texas in order to escape the impending Doom that is the Welfare-and-Military Tyranny that’s now known as the Washing DC Federal Government.
    Meaning, Texas, will have an influx of Liberty minded people, the REAL Americans, that are the producers, and not the takers.

    2) All GUN-TOTING Federal Agencies will cease to exist in Texas (and that will apply to all other States that eventually secede, equally)!

    No more of these PERNICIOUS Creations of a Government that IS NOW Against the People (and not For the People and Of the People, as our Original Constitution decreed)!

    The alphabet soup of these Federal Agencies was created not to protect us, We The People, but to belittle us, to condition us to obedience, to take away our rights and our individual sovereignty over body soul and private property, to rob us of our income, to give us Promissory Paper Notes and beguile us that that is real money, to tax just about anything and all that we earn or purchase, to take money away even when we are dead (picking a dead man’s pockets Tax), to pay tax on our private property that we own and have developed and improved, to force people without children to pay School Tax, to tell us that to travel is not a right but a “privilege” (drivers license “laws”), to tag us like cattle with a Number (SSN), to intrude so far into our private lives and homes as to tell us how much water we can use to flush down our poop in our toilets, to invade our sanctity as sovereign and free individuals to perpetrate invasive bodily searches at airports, to…and the sad list of our subjugation by GUN TOTING FEDERAL AGENTS goes on, and on, and on….

    Any State that secedes will be rid IMMEDIATELY of ALL these anti-American PERNICIOUS Federal Organizations!

    Here is MSN latest report:

    The Texas petition says the United States is suffering from economic troubles stemming from the federal government’s failure to reform spending. It also complains of alleged rights abuses committed by agencies like the Transportation Security Administration.

    “Given that the state of Texas maintains a balanced budget and is the 15th largest economy in the world, it is practically feasible for Texas to withdraw from the union,” it said.

    Spread this 4 minute video like WILDFIRE!

    List of some Federal Agencies (most carry guns to enforce their “authority”)!

    The Federal Agency Names listed below can be selected on line 17 of any issue page on the LD-2DS form.

    – A –

    Administration for Children & Families (ACF)

    Administration on Aging

    Advisory Council on Historic Preservation (ACHP)

    African Development Foundation

    Agency for Health Care Policy & Research

    Agency for Toxic Substances & Disease Registry

    Agriculture, Dept of (USDA)

    Air Force, Dept of

    Alcohol & Tobacco Tax & Trade Bureau (TTB)

    Alternative Agr Research & Commercialization Center

    American Battle Monuments Comm

    AMTRAK – Natl Railroad Passenger Corporation

    Appalachian Regional Comm

    Architect of the Capitol (AOC)

    Architectural & Transportation Barriers Compliance Board

    Army, Dept of (Corps of Engineers)

    Army, Dept of (Other)

    – B –

    Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco & Firearms (ATF)

    Bureau of Arms Control

    Bureau of Economic Analysis

    Bureau of Engraving & Printing

    Bureau of Export Administration

    Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA)

    Bureau of Justice Assistance

    Bureau of Justice Statistics

    Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS)

    Bureau of Land Management (BLM)

    Bureau of Reclamation

    Bureau of the Public Debt

    Bureau of Transportation Statistics

    – C –

    Centers For Disease Control & Prevention (CDC)

    Centers For Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS)

    Central Intelligence Agency (CIA)

    Commerce, Dept of (DOC)

    Commodity Futures Trading Comm (CFTC),

    Congressional Budget Office (CBO)

    Consumer Product Safety Comm (CPSC)

    Corporation for Natl & Community Service

    Corporation for Public Broadcasting

    Corrections Program Office

    Council of Economic Advisers (CEA)

    Council on Environmental Quality (CEQ)

    – D –

    Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA)

    Defense Business Transformation Agency (BTA)

    Defense Commissary Agency

    Defense Contract Audit Agency (DCAA)

    Defense Department Field Activities

    Defense Finance & Accounting Agency (DFAS)

    Defense Information Systems Agency

    Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA)

    Defense Investigative Service (DIS)

    Defense Legal Services Agency

    Defense Logistics Agency

    Defense Nuclear Facilities Safety Board

    Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA)

    Defense Security Services

    Defense Special Weapons Agency

    Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA)

    Defense, Dept of (DOD)

    Director of National Intelligence (ODNI)

    Drug Court Program Office

    Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA)

    – E –

    Economic Development Administration

    Education, Dept of

    Election Assistance Comm (EAC)

    Employment & Training Administration

    Employment Standards Administration

    Energy, Dept of

    Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)

    Equal Employment Opportunity Comm (EEOC)

    Executive Office of the President (EOP)

    Export-Import Bank of the United States (EXIM Bank)

    – F –

    Farm Credit Administration

    Federal Accounting Standards Advisory Board (FASAB)

    Federal Aviation Administration (FAA)

    Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI)

    Federal Bureau of Prisons (BOP)

    Federal Communications Comm (FCC)

    Federal Deposit Insurance Comm (FDIC)

    Federal Election Comm (FEC)

    Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA)

    Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC)

    Federal Highway Administration (FHA)

    Federal Housing Finance Board (FHFB)

    Federal Labor Relations Authority (FLRA)

    Federal Law Enforcement Training Center

    Federal Management Service

    Federal Maritime Comm

    Federal Mediation & Conciliation Service

    Federal Mine Safety Health Review Comm (FMSHRC)

    Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

    Federal Railroad Administration

    Federal Reserve System

    Federal Retirement Thrift Investment Board

    Federal Trade Comm (FTC)

    Federal Transit Administration (FTA)

    Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN)

    Financial Management Service (FMS)

    Food & Drug Administration (FDA)

    – G –

    General Services Administration (GSA)

    Ginnie Mae

    Government Accountability Office (GAO)

    Government Printing Office (GPO)

    – H –

    Health & Human Services, Dept of (HHS)

    Health Resources & Services Administration (HRSA)

    Homeland Security, Dept of (DHS)

    House of Representatives

    Housing & Urban Development, Dept of (HUD)

    – I –

    Indian Health Service

    Institute of Museum and Library Services (IMLS)

    Inter-American Foundation

    Interior, Dept of (DOI)

    Internal Revenue Service (IRS)

    Intl Trade Administration (ITA)

    – J –

    Job Corp

    Joint Chiefs of Staff

    Joint Service Schools

    Justice, Dept of (DOJ)

    – L –

    Labor, Dept of (DOL)

    Legal Services Corporation

    Library of Congress (LOC)

    – M –

    Marine Mammal Comm

    Maritime Administration (MARAD)

    Medicare Payment Advisory Comm (MedPAC)

    Merit Systems Protection Board

    Mine Safety & Health Administration (MSHA)

    Mine Safety & Health Review Comm

    Minerals Management Service

    Minority Business Development Agency

    – N –

    Natl Aeronautics & Space Administration (NASA)

    Natl Archives & Records Administration (NARA)

    Natl Bioethics Advisory Comm

    Natl Capital Planning Comm (NCPC)

    Natl Comm Libraries & Information Science (NCLS)

    Natl Council on Disability

    Natl Credit Union Administration (NCUA)

    Natl Economic Council (NEC)

    Natl Endowment for the Arts

    Natl Endowment for the Humanities

    Natl Foundation on the Arts & Humanities

    Natl Geospatial Intelligence Agency

    Natl Guard

    Natl Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA)

    Natl Indian Gaming Comm

    Natl Institute of Justice

    Natl Institute of Mental Health (NIMH)

    Natl Institute of Standards & Technology (NIST)

    Natl Institute on Alcohol Abuse & Alcoholism (NIAA)

    Natl Institutes of Health (NIH)

    Natl Labor Relations Board (NLRB),

    Natl Mediation Board

    Natl Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)

    Natl Park Service (NPS)

    Natl Science Foundation (NSF)

    Natl Security Agency (NSA)

    Natl Security Council (NSC)

    Natl Technical Information Service

    Natl Telecomm & Info Administration (NTIA)

    Natl Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)

    Navy, Dept of

    Nuclear Regulatory Comm (NRC)

    – O –

    Occupational Safety & Health Administration (OSHA)

    Occupational Safety & Health Review Comm

    Office for Victims of Crime

    Office of Administration

    Office of Faith-Based & Community Initiatives

    Office of Government Ethics (OGE)

    Office of Justice Program

    Office of Juvenile Justice & Delinquency Prevention

    Office of Management & Budget (OMB)

    Office of Natl AIDS Policy

    Office of Natl Drug Control Policy (NDCP)

    Office of Personnel Management (OPM)

    Office of Policy Development

    Office of Science & Technology Policy (OSTP)

    Office of Special Counsel

    Office of Surface Mining Reclamation & Enforcement

    Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (OCC)

    Office of the Secretary of Defense

    Office of the Vice President of the United States

    Office of Thrift Supervision (OTS)

    On-Site Inspection Agency

    Overseas Private Investment Corp (OPIC)

    – P –

    Panama Canal Comm

    Patent & Trademark Office (PTO)

    Peace Corps

    Pension & Welfare Benefits Administration

    Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation (PBGC)

    Pentagon Force Protection Agency

    Pipeline & Hazardous Materials Safety Administration

    Postal Rate Comm

    Postal Regulatory Comm

    President of the U.S.

    Program Support Center

    – R –

    Railroad Retirement Board

    Research & Innovative Technology Administration

    Risk Management Agency

    – S –

    Securities & Exchange Comm (SEC)

    Selective Service System


    Small Business Administration (SBA)

    Smithsonian Institution

    Social Security Administration (SSA)

    St. Lawrence Seaway Development Corporation

    State Justice Institute

    State, Dept of (DOS)

    Substance Abuse & Mental Health Srv Admin (SAMHSA)

    Surface Transportation Board (STB)

    – T –

    Technology Administration

    Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA)

    Trade & Development Agency (TDA)

    Transportation Security Administration (TSA)

    Transportation, Dept of (DOT)

    Treasury, Dept of

    – U –

    U.S. Access Board – Architectural & Transportation Barriers Compliance Board

    U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID)

    U.S. Arms Control & Disarmament Agency

    U.S. Botanic Garden

    U.S. Chemical Safety & Hazard Investigation Board

    U.S. Citizenship & Immigration Services (USCIS)

    U.S. Coast Guard (USCG)

    U.S. Comm of Fine Arts

    U.S. Comm on Civil

    U.S. Comm on International Religious Freedom

    U.S. Copyright Office

    U.S. Customs & Border Protection

    U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service (USFWS)

    U.S. Forest Service

    U.S. Geological Survey (USGS)

    U.S. Immigration & Customs Enforcement (ICE)

    U.S. Information Agency (USIA)

    U.S. Institute of Peace

    U.S. International Development Cooperation Agency

    U.S. International Trade Comm (ITC)

    U.S. Marines

    U.S. Marshals Service

    U.S. Mint

    U.S. Natl Central Bureau – Intl Criminal Police Org

    U.S. Postal Service (USPS)

    U.S. Secret Service

    U.S. Trade Representative (USTR)

    USA Freedom Corps

    – V –

    Veterans Affairs, Dept of (VA)

    Veterans Employment & Training Service

    Vice President of the U.S.

    Violence Against Women Program

    Voice of America

    – W –

    White House Office

  • I align mostly with liberals, but on this issue I certainly don’t. Like he said, it’s an American tradition to secede.

  • I didn’t see any “Ron Paul 2012” in his comments. Also, being black is a tactic now?

  • Freedomremoved is spot on. I would much rather live in a society where businesses could deny service to whomever. That would help identify the bigots n racists and we could boycott them if they flew their true colors.

  • I take libertarianism over liberalism and voluntary alignment whudthafuk any day.

  • Ron Paul is a Leprechaun Shill. All talk.blah..blah..Freedom..Blah­..Fed..Blah..Blah and now..blahblah..secession. His talk is porn for those revisionist and frankly delusional Americans stuck in the 19th century.
    Libertarians are dupes of concepts such as egotism and Ayn Rand pseudo- philosophies. Its deception results in divide and rule. Instead we need stronger voluntary alignment with each other to overcome the globalist fascist agenda. Libertarianism is division on behalf of the elite.

  • Rewind to 1775 the year before independence …and the naysayers on this comments board would be saying the same things about the founding fathers. If you disagree …state your case.

  • Surfisher

    AMAZING performance by Ron Paul!

    ABSOLUTELY MUST WATCH AND HEAR EACH SENTENCE HE UTTERS — STUNNING, in less than 60 min Ron Paul LAYS THE PATH to our Nation’s Salvation, that in decades no-one else had been able to state!

    Ron Paul not only dissects the rotten, crooked Government we have, but PRECISELY gives the ACTIONS needed to COUNTER this INSANITY in DC, and bring us, We The People, back to Liberty and Prosperity!

    This is truly an AMAZING interview — Ron Paul’s statements are not just spot on, they are brilliant and self-evident to all that still have a mind of their own!

    MUST WATCH — AND SPREAD THIS LIKE WILDFIRE (before it’s too late America)!

  • Oh it was a Constitutional all right the first time, and it’s constitutional now, just read it for yourself. If it isn’t, then quite playing games and pretending you have such a freedom, or rights of any kind.

  • /watch?v=o_PXzfDbFRk

  • Another excellent point!

  • Excelent point Sarah

  • No, that’s false. Here, this link that provides all the history. wikipedia(dot)org/wiki/Secession_in_the_United_States

    American Revolution
    Secession from the Articles of Confederation
    Secession and Adoption of the United States Constitution

    Its all in the link.

  • sue

    he turns the whole idea of government upside down…. of course he would agree it is supposed to be just individuals doing what ever….and states….no central gov…well that might keep us out of international wars…but i image we would then have inter-state wars.

  • You are missing the point.
    You have to look for formal ways to get rid of your fascist regime.
    You have to discuss a valid idea for todays different motives.

  • hahaha – thats all

  • Well considering red states, by and large, receive more federal $ than they pay in taxes that shouldn’t be a problem. P.S. your corporate-sponsored right wing propaganda is lying do you about greece. Banks, big business, and the parasites that are the 1% are to blame for the debt crisis. Entitlement programs are proven to promote economic health & are the reason America grew prosperous.”Free”-markets are thoroughly debunked but you wont hear that if you keep listening to blow hards like ron paul

  • Don’t come running to borrow money from us once your nation is bankrupt like Greece.

  • Don’t come running to borrow money from us once your nation is bankrupt like Greece.