Secession: Are We Free to Go?

Is all the recent talk of secession mere sour grapes over the election, or perhaps something deeper?   Currently there are active petitions in support of secession for all 50 states, with Texas taking the lead in number of signatures.  Texas has well over the number of signatures needed to generate a response from the administration, and while I wouldn’t hold my breath on Texas actually seceding, I believe these petitions raise a lot of worthwhile questions about the nature of our union.

Is it treasonous to want to secede from the United States?  Many think the question of secession was settled by our Civil War.  On the contrary; the principles of self-governance and voluntary association are at the core of our founding.  Clearly Thomas Jefferson believed secession was proper, albeit as a last resort. Writing to William Giles in 1825, he concluded that states:

“should separate from our companions only when the sole alternatives left, are the dissolution of our Union with them, or submission to a government without limitation of powers.”

Keep in mind that the first and third paragraphs of the Declaration of Independence expressly contemplate the dissolution of a political union when the underlying government becomes tyrannical.

Do we have a “government without limitation of powers” yet?  The Federal government kept the Union together through violence and force in the Civil War, but did might really make right?

Secession is a deeply American principle.  This country was born through secession.  Some felt it was treasonous to secede from England, but those “traitors” became our country’s greatest patriots.

There is nothing treasonous or unpatriotic about wanting a federal government that is more responsive to the people it represents.  That is what our Revolutionary War was all about and today our own federal government is vastly overstepping its constitutional bounds with no signs of reform.  In fact, the recent election only further entrenched the status quo.  If the possibility of secession is completely off the table there is nothing to stop the federal government from continuing to encroach on our liberties and no recourse for those who are sick and tired of it.

Consider the ballot measures that passed in Colorado and Washington state regarding marijuana laws.  The people in those states have clearly indicated that they are ready to try something different where drug policy is concerned, yet they will still face a tremendous threat from the federal government.  In California, the Feds have been arresting peaceful medical marijuana users and raiding dispensaries that state and local governments have sanctioned. This shouldn’t happen in a free country.

It remains to be seen what will happen in states that are refusing to comply with the deeply unpopular mandates of Obamacare by not setting up healthcare exchanges.  It appears the Federal government will not respect those decisions either.

In a free country, governments derive their power from the consent of the governed. When the people have very clearly withdrawn their consent for a law, the discussion should be over.  If the Feds refuse to accept that and continue to run roughshod over the people, at what point do we acknowledge that that is not freedom anymore?  At what point should the people dissolve the political bands which have connected them with an increasingly tyrannical and oppressive federal government?  And if people or states are not free to leave the United States as a last resort, can they really think of themselves as free?

If a people cannot secede from an oppressive government, they cannot truly be considered free.

 

375 Comments:

  1. I would like to how it is you think secession, which was considered a valid option by the founding fathers, is “treasonous”. Treason to what? Certainly not to your own state and certainly not to the Constitution. If the right to self-determination is treason then America should not exist in the first place and should be part of England. And you are right, international travel is not banned, so long as you put your wife and children through a naked body scanner and get felt up in the crotch.

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  2. The nature of our union is that there are a lot of pissed off white people who don’t understand democracy. Ron Paul is an idiot.

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  3. I like how all these dumbasses say shit like, “Secession isn’t allowed in the constitution.”
    How about HR-347, the NDAA, the Patriot act, and Obamacare, were those authorized by the constitution?

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  4. Secession, if we look at the last time this happened, similar thoughts were expressed. When a actual battle took place to defend the right of secession, many thought it was a joke and some kind of stage play. But in a very short time it became one of the most bloody so called civil wars history has ever recorded. It was fought over the right to property without the burden of taxation.

    By the way if you think it was just slavery you are incorrect. A slave was property at that time and was owned by title and deed and was taxable.

    Today we may consider our selves to be free but are we really? If you decide not to work and exercise real freedom. If you are not very wealthy. Eventually you will be living on the street with very little or nothing at all. So in order to have property and convenience you must have money. If you want money you have to work, like it or not. Or you will have nothing, but your freedom. If you work for money, than you will be taxed. If you are a employee it is the responsibility of the company to see that you pay your taxes. So the burden of collecting those taxes like the slave owner falls on to the slave master or the business owner who also must pay the tax or a tribute. But the business owner is really not a slave master the organization who set up the medium of exchange is ( the medium of exchange being the federal reserve note or dollar) and What we are all enslaved to is debt and interest on the debt. The interest and debt now is so large. We will be enslaved for a very long time unless we chose to do something about it. (Get rid of the federal reserve system) Because we the people did not create this debt it has been imposed or forced upon us, this is tyranny. To keep the Citizens enslaved and working. For less and less as inflation continues, as the money supply is increased purposely. Also the so called slave masters are amassing a huge fortune from the inflation they have created and the debt we are enslaved to. Audit the fed and do not let congress for get and shove it aside. If you want to get out of bondage for yourselves and your children’s, children.

    Once up on a time in this country when you received deed and title to property it was not taxed. Except at the time or point of sale, a excise tax or sales tax was imposed. Even this was frowned on heavily by most Citizens. Because they new high taxes are enslavement and what creates large governments of power. Once you owned the land real property under your feet it was yours no taxes, or duties, or tributes, you were free. Land that yielded good crops then was a blessing then because you were really free. Because the farm or plantation was your kingdom. It could supply you with every thing you needed to exist and be free. Really free working for you existence and your wealth to pass on to your blood, your children. People came to America dreaming and searching for this kind of freedom from all over the world and other countries and there kings, queens and dictators despised us for it and still do. They have made it there duty to end our freedoms through the United Nations and by treaty.

    A round thirty five years ago the farmer was under attack in south Africa and still is because they lost they’re rights to property in a civil war. Our farmers also were bankrupted and under attack by our own government through different departments and compliance to treaties at about the same time and still are being forcing into compliance. Into a kind of corporate state run farming. Which is going to be the future of farming in our country if things do not change and the end of the dream that built this country.

    Secession is a nice idea. It is the right of the states to do so in the United States of American Constitution.
    But much has changed since the revolution of 1862. Those who won have in time made it very difficult if not impossible for such a event to occur today. There is much to consider if the people are really serious about forming a country away from the union. A example not to far into the past is what took place when Texas petitioned to become a state. It was at that time a country and the republic of Texas. Evan as large and as prosperous as Texas was, it was extremely difficult. It would be more so with the possibility of embargos, the way treaties have been designed and implemented. How he new countries medium of exchange could be set up and excepted. Would be a tremendous task, If the federal reserve would even consider it or the world bank. In the long run the new country would be isolated its people starving and divided fighting battles from within and outside for decades. A true revolutionaries dream come true. Much like Obama’s true Agenda for America. A divided nation in internal conflict.

    This dose not mean things can be made different or change and that much of the United States of American Constitution restored to the people and the government. It can and in fact this is the best time to achieve it. With out a real bloody revolution. It can still be done in the congress and the judicial system of our country. Why is this the best time? Because a majority of people have come to realize the true values of our nation. And are ready for true direction and are looking for it and they will find it in time and the pendulum will swing back ever so slowly to Our beginnings. As a constitution and as a nation and a country. But we cannot sit on or hands and expect someone to this for us. We must all unite and succession is not unity. Even though all states have filed for secession not all if any will receive the adequate amount to bring it to a vote. Those that are will more than likely be shot down in the court for review. It is a dream that a majority of states could succeed. The more realistic course of action is to make the republic do what it is suppose to be doing and that is working for the United States of American Citizens. Let your representatives know if they do not follow the law of the land the United States of American Constitution, there will be absolute and complete accountability. In a court of law by there peers and constituants.

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  5. One of the reason I despise Ron Paul is that he attracts anti-semitic racist white trash like you, Do the world a favor and off yourself!

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  6. And you are a treasonous malcontent. I suppose the irony of you being free to claim you are living under tyranny is beyond you. Maybe you should visit a country where REAL tyranny is in operation and have your parochial little eyes opened. Last time I checked international travel wasn’t banned in this ‘tyranny’ here, so you can easily hop on a flight to North Korea then get back to me with your new worldview.

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  7. Gee Dead, letting your Talmudic based sickness get the best of you?

    Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus’ mother was a whore: “She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters.”
    Gittin 57a. Says Jesus is in hell, being boiled in “hot excrement.”
    Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals.
    Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile (“Cuthean”), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep.

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  8. Dear so Called James Hummel,

    You are a ignorant socialistic individual. We are not a democracy. We are a republic. You also lack respect for people who have lived much longer than you. Which is not surprising coming from a socialist. Most old white men know so much more than you do about everything. It could be compared to you having the brains of a nematode then compared to the old white men having the brains of Einstein.
    Not only are you ignorant, you are very delusional. In most countries that are not considered modern and or civilized the elders run the government or the tribe and are very much looked up to. No matter what color there skins may be. It is people like you who foster and help bring in tyranny and dictators to a country. Because of your complete stupidity and prejudice. Our country was formed by old white men being in the majority at the time. Most very dark skinned people had been sold into bondage by there own people, just like they are doing to day. In many parts of Africa. Those old white men Also set the stage so that all men could be free in this country. They could have written the constitution to exclude people like you. Because people like you have been around as long as Lucifer has been walking on the face of the earth. But they did not. So I suggest if you do not like the United States of American Constitution and old white men you find some where else to live. Maybe out in a desert some where all by yourself. Because Old white men are here to stay and continue running the country long after you are gone and the United States of American Constitution will also be here long after you are gone.

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  9. NO… you cannot secede!

    Under Obama and his hundreds of Executive Orders
    You have become a subject of the all powerful state, a SERF!

    The State has become a malignate tumer of oppresive laws complicated by a massive web of regulations,

    “Under the law…. we are all guilty”

    It won’t be long before all out Government Confiscation becomes a daily news story…. another business is electing bankruptcy protection from government backed unions. Government steps in and confiscates another “American Industry Icon” the Twinke factory!

    NO… you may not secede, you have NO RIGHTS, the Constitution is a dead and so will you be if you resist!

    In God We Trust!

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  10. I am mostly in agreement, but I hope somebody starts taking these asshats out. It took so little to declare independence from Britain, now everyone just bends over, I don’t think humanity should live with a boot on their neck. But as you said not much we can do, they rig the votes, they rig the discussions, they rig the public perception, hopefully if things get bad enough someone will do more. I’ll jump on board but I as an individual can only reflect the change I wish to see in the system.

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  11. Social justice requires gradual movement towards a one world government. Those 13, now 14, people who thumbed down this video want to see the unity of purpose that would lead to greater justice and world peace.

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  12. Social justice requires gradual movement towards a one world government. Those 13, now 14, people who thumbed down this video want to see the unity of purpose that would lead to greater justice and world peace.

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  13. You are not fit to throw rose pedals at his feet you impertinent little speck of aardvark scrotum. He has done more for this cause than you would ever do in 10,000 of your wasted lifetimes. KNOW THAT.

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  14. You are not fit to throw rose pedals at his feet you impertinent little speck of aardvark scrotum. He has done more for this cause than you would ever do in 10,000 of your wasted lifetimes. KNOW THAT.

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  15. 13 dislikes, that makes 13 slaves, brought to heel by ceaeless propaganda.

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  16. THE STATES WILL NEVER SECEDE FROM THE NWO. BECAUSE IT IS PROPHECY (BASICLY A DONE DEAL) . WILL BE WORLDWIDE, NOWHERE TO RUN. THE RAPTURE WILL HAPPEN BEFORE THE POOP HITS THE FAN (PROPHECY)

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  17. I have been embarassed by my congressman for quite awhile. I am so glad he at least has the sense to retire. Now if the old white senators from South Carolina and Arizona would follow suit, we would be a stronger nation. Ron Paul talks about our “tyrannical” government. He has obviously not seen a real tyrannical government. He seems to feel that the recent election didn’t represent the will of the people. Guess he doesn’t believe in democracy. The old white man needs to come home to Texas where he will be surrounded by other old white men who are of like minds.

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    • James,

      Apparently you helieve that winning an election confirs Monarch Powers to the Presidency.
      Thus you believe that since Obama won… he’s now entitled to wipe the Constituion away and start a New World Order based upon HIS vision of things.

      He now has a “man-date” to Executive Order everything by
      FORCE, health care, amnesty, abortions, auto business takeovers, printing endless money, confiscation of personal property, murder without due process, arrest without trial, the list is endless.

      So King Obama is your hero….
      I hope that works out for you!

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  18. we will be lol white ppl are immigrating to singapore china mow and as poorer countries become richer those countries who advocated multiculturaism (setting a great example btw) will be copied by those now becoming rich (ie.brazil,india) and as our countries get poorer we will immigrate just as their kids did to our countries eventually the intermixing will create a single race of human combining the strength,intelligence,creativity of blacks,asians,whites

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  19. Faced with a MANDATORY Response to the Secession Petitions — two top chickens from the White House have flown the coop — Barack Hussein left for Asia, and Hiltlery Clinton is Israel bound!

    These two may run, but won’t be able to escape how their underlings respond!

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  20. Ask any white couple living in western developed country why they they have less than 2 children, finanacial benefits will be a most likely answer. If you really care about you race then have more kids and encourage others to do the same rather than bitch and cry about genocide. It’s not like whites are being sterilized by force like many African American and many other people of color by eugenicists like the Nazis and even this country has a dark history of eugenics.

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