Secession: Are We Free to Go?

Is all the recent talk of secession mere sour grapes over the election, or perhaps something deeper?   Currently there are active petitions in support of secession for all 50 states, with Texas taking the lead in number of signatures.  Texas has well over the number of signatures needed to generate a response from the administration, and while I wouldn’t hold my breath on Texas actually seceding, I believe these petitions raise a lot of worthwhile questions about the nature of our union.

Is it treasonous to want to secede from the United States?  Many think the question of secession was settled by our Civil War.  On the contrary; the principles of self-governance and voluntary association are at the core of our founding.  Clearly Thomas Jefferson believed secession was proper, albeit as a last resort. Writing to William Giles in 1825, he concluded that states:

“should separate from our companions only when the sole alternatives left, are the dissolution of our Union with them, or submission to a government without limitation of powers.”

Keep in mind that the first and third paragraphs of the Declaration of Independence expressly contemplate the dissolution of a political union when the underlying government becomes tyrannical.

Do we have a “government without limitation of powers” yet?  The Federal government kept the Union together through violence and force in the Civil War, but did might really make right?

Secession is a deeply American principle.  This country was born through secession.  Some felt it was treasonous to secede from England, but those “traitors” became our country’s greatest patriots.

There is nothing treasonous or unpatriotic about wanting a federal government that is more responsive to the people it represents.  That is what our Revolutionary War was all about and today our own federal government is vastly overstepping its constitutional bounds with no signs of reform.  In fact, the recent election only further entrenched the status quo.  If the possibility of secession is completely off the table there is nothing to stop the federal government from continuing to encroach on our liberties and no recourse for those who are sick and tired of it.

Consider the ballot measures that passed in Colorado and Washington state regarding marijuana laws.  The people in those states have clearly indicated that they are ready to try something different where drug policy is concerned, yet they will still face a tremendous threat from the federal government.  In California, the Feds have been arresting peaceful medical marijuana users and raiding dispensaries that state and local governments have sanctioned. This shouldn’t happen in a free country.

It remains to be seen what will happen in states that are refusing to comply with the deeply unpopular mandates of Obamacare by not setting up healthcare exchanges.  It appears the Federal government will not respect those decisions either.

In a free country, governments derive their power from the consent of the governed. When the people have very clearly withdrawn their consent for a law, the discussion should be over.  If the Feds refuse to accept that and continue to run roughshod over the people, at what point do we acknowledge that that is not freedom anymore?  At what point should the people dissolve the political bands which have connected them with an increasingly tyrannical and oppressive federal government?  And if people or states are not free to leave the United States as a last resort, can they really think of themselves as free?

If a people cannot secede from an oppressive government, they cannot truly be considered free.


  • “Don’t push your beliefs onto other people.”

    What belief am I pushing onto you? Are you an Atheist who can’t keep his talking points straight, somebody who’s used to attacking peoples belief systems?

    “Only you have the choice not to be a violent person.”

    Nonsense. There are 7 billion people on this planet, and they all have the same choice. The question is; what am I going to do when they decide to use violence to take what they covet?

    Should we serve justice and meet them with force?

  • We are not talking about individual choice here. We are talking about policies in effect in ALL and ONLY white countries. These policies have been calculated to result in the genocide of only ONE group of people; white people. This is a crime. It is wrong. It is genocide. “Anti-racist” is a codeword for anti-white.

  • From a moral standpoint it’s quite simple. Genocide is wrong. Whites have a right to exist without being targeted for genocide. Blacks are not indoctrinated to believe “i dont care what race or color i am so I don’t care if blacks get wiped out.” Asians are not indoctrinated to believe “i dont care what race or color i am so I don’t care if asians get wiped out.” Only whites are targeted with this nonsense. It’s genocide. “Anti-racist” is a codeword for anti-white.

  • “Be the change you wish to see.” Don’t push your beliefs onto other people. Even anarchist, or classic liberal beliefs… no matter how true they are to you. Only you have the choice not to be a violent person.

  • “Is it treasonous to WANT to secede from the United States?”

    Are we now writing laws against what you “want”? Wouldn’t that be nice?

    We can pass a law that says nobody can want to murder, rape, or steal. What is he even talking about? This secession nonsense is really starting to feel like a bunch of BS.

    I smell a rat.

  • So your solution is to live in a fantasy world where people don’t covet or use violence to take what they unjustly want?

    How’s the weather in Anarchist Lala Land?

  • As Ron Paul loves to correctly point out, this is a Constitutional Republic, not a Democracy.

    Do your state Representatives want to secede or do you just want to destroy the American Republic?

    Is it “completely off the table” because we have no legitimate representation, or because those who want to secede represent a small fraction of people who just want to destroy our county?

    If your state won’t stand up to the Federal government in any matter of law or justice, what’s the point?


  • with one “color” becoming extinct in the end we are all people and if white people want to be partners with non white people what is the problem if that is there choice? As i have no problem saying that others cant force some one to live somewhere meaning if a family of Asians moved across the street from me and if a black family moved next to me and a Spanish family moved on the other side of me and so forth i would be honored that i would have the chance to learn all about the cultures.

  • Sorry but i do not quite understand what you are trying to say from a moral standpoint. Honestly im not well educated im only 17 and just watch Ron Paul videos because i like the way he thinks. But as a person i dont care what race or color i am and i think i speak for many people when i say i find some races more sexually attractive then others and its not racist its just like finding one color hair more attractive then another and every one should be treated equal so whats the problem with


  • little state vs BIG STATE. lose. lose. and more lose. intellectual enlightenment, entrepreneurship, and determination in YOUR(reader) ethics and tolerance of others is the only real path to peace and real prosperity. Don’t tread on others.

  • Yes, narcissistic, golden calf worshipers are breeding themselves out of existence. That is actually a good thing.

  • Some states tried this whole secession thing before. It resulted in the civil war. No we dont want to go down that path again.

  • lol

  • French Canadian

    Russell Means: Welcome to the American Reservation Prison Camp (Full Length)

  • Surfisher

    Illegal Everything…in America!

    re: John Stossel (from FOX News)— spread this video like Wildfire, showing that nearly All our Liberties are GONE!

    It is estimated that over 1/2 Billion Negative Laws, Rules and Regulations have been created by the Federal Government in the last 40 years.

    This number is STAGGERING — More NEGATIVE LAWS than there are Americans (counting all men, women and children in the USA) TELLING US WHAT WE CANNOT DO (thus negative laws) upon the THREAT Of GOVERNMENTAL PUNISHMENT!

    All these UNCONSTITUTIONAL LAWS are enforced by gun-totting UNIFORMS — if you have not run afoul of such, try selling Lemonade on our lawn…and see how many gun-toting Uniforms will come to shut you down by the threat of their guns they so proudly wear!

    Some are awakening to the fact that Our Citizens have become the most government controlled peoples on this Planet today!

    These Few Enlightened Citizens, these Brave Patriots, these pure Souls in search of TRUE Justice and Liberty for All, have started petitions in all 50 States to Secede from the Federal Government that by its anti-Constitutional and anti-American ACTIVITIES has FORFEITED THE RIGHT to be called the USA.

    The goal of the Secession Petitions is not to break away from the Union, but to negate the Unconstitutional Powers that Washington, DC has usurped for their own anti-American interests, and return ALL States to the Original (Organic) US Constitution!

    It is shameful that the Main Stream Media, and their parroting, brainless shills, have such fear of the Truth, and are spreading false and silly accusations to this American Principle — Secession (if we did not Secede from Tyrannical England, we would not be called Americans)!

  • Enlightened

    Wonderful. Secede, and when a disaster hits your state and there is no federal Gov’t. to pick up the tab, you can get together with all the other doomsday preps. and pick shit with the chickens. If you don’t like the way the country is run, change the assholes in Washington. Bring out the Guillotine and set it up on the Capital Steps and march all the corrupt scumbags to the basket. The French had the right idea for once and citizens of this country are going to have to do the same thing because the politicians are not going to give up their positions of power easily.

  • Secession merely require that the South represent itself with its own government, rather then the Federal Government. Not unlike the dissolution of a county, which doesn’t require a local conflict to impede or resolve, formalism or not.
    So you should ask yourself is why a war was necessary, as in, at all, in the case of secession.

    If anything, you’re unintentionally unveiling the violent nature of The State

  • No, I’m trying to be precise. The “Civil War” was not a war with two opposing parties vying control of one government, hence it was not a civil war.

    That’s why some people prefer to call it “War of Northern Aggression” or “War to Prevent Southern Independence” and this nomenclature is precise because the original “union” was actually a confederation, and states remained sovereign entities. What ‘The South” attempted to do was sever itself from the Federal Government and have their own.

  • Telling white people to “have more babies” is not a solution when they are being targeted for genocide. “Anti-racists” are forcing ALL and ONLY white countries to bring in millions of non-whites. “Anti-racists” are forcing ALL and ONLY white people to “integrate.” “Anti-racists” are forcing ALL and ONLY white children to become minorities and exctinct EVERYWHERE. It’s genocide. “Anti-racist” is a codeword for anti-white