375 responses to “Secession: Are We Free to Go?”

  1. OnlyAPersonHere

    im in total aggreeance with this. anti-state does not imply anti governance. It means anti-monopoly enforced by violence. FreedomsReigning. I suggest reading more into anti-statist philosophy. Check out “The Law” by Frederich Bastiat. “No Treason” By Lysander Spooner and “Human Action” by Ludwig von Mises. Your attacks on anarchism are known as a sweeping generalization fallacy. not all anarchists are athiests. you can’t seriously believe that human nature is violence… truly it is love.

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  2. jscott2700

    Of what sort of anarchy do you speak? Are not the Amish anarchists? I certainly believe the Marxist style of anarchist to be a Godless heathen bent upon chaos and destruction, but anarchy does not automatically equal chaos. But I guess because I am anti-State, that doesn’t necessarily make me an anarchist as I do believe in other forms of “governance” such as the family and community groups.

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  3. jscott2700

    Of what sort of anarchy do you speak? Are not the Amish anarchists? I certainly believe the Marxist style of anarchist to be a Godless heathen bent upon chaos and destruction, but anarchy does not automatically equal chaos. But I guess because I am anti-State, that doesn’t necessarily make me an anarchist as I do believe in other forms of “governance” such as the family and community groups.

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  4. FreedomsReigning

    Liberty isn’t a belief, it’s a word defining a state of self ownership, and without justice, the man who chooses violence will own you, and they don’t need government force to do it.

    A Libertarian will scream Nullification. An Anarchist will scream Secession because they WANT a civil war, they want to destroy, to spread ruin, death and misery. Nothing good comes from emboldening covetous people. Covetous people don’t know what’s worth fighting for; justice, nor where it starts; liberty.

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  5. FreedomsReigning

    An Anarchist is the worst of all evils.

    A Libertarian serves justice and doesn’t vote for evil.

    An Anarchist serves chaos, pretending they can get rid of mans covetous nature by getting rid of government. All an Anarchist wants to do is destroy and set that nature loose in a world without justice, and why wouldn’t they; just listen to their words as they run their Godless mouths calling people stupid animals and retards.

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  6. jscott2700

    Covetousness, murder (assassinations, drone bombings), theft (taxes), lies (too many to count) are the ways of most politicians and certainly Obama. I see his supporters as poor fools supporting absolute and pure EVIL. They are morally, intellectually and ethically bankrupt.

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  7. jscott2700

    How would you know? It may be quite different this time as many soldiers may simply not turn their guns on their fellow citizens like the East German soldiers refused to fire on those jumping the Berlin wall. Things may (will) get so bad that it will become a viable option and peaceful secession could be possible. It happened in the Soviet Union 20 years ago.

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  8. JACKAZZ126291

    Think about, most of the western developed countries exploit most of the third world countries by putting them in debt and taking all their resources as a result. If you want to end mass immigration then blame globalization. In my opinion in Europe preservation of culture is reasonable, but in places like in USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa where native people had their lands stolen and were driven to extinction can be as multi-cultural and anti-racist as a society as it wants.

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  9. Surfisher

    NEWS FLASH — “Texans going wild with ‘secession fever,’ bumper stickers everywhere”!

    See it on MSN.com — since link not allowed to post here.

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  10. Robin

    WE MUST TAKE ACTION AND EVERY AMERICAN MUST PARTICIPATE! However, these messages lack a proposed plan of recourse. Obviously, voting is no longer a legitimate means of initiating change when over 70% of Americans don’t like or want Obama in office. Yet, there he is doing dirt by our country for another four years. If you doubt this statistic, test it yourself. Ask 10 American people (in America) if they think Obama is a good President and why or why not. You would have to be an idiot with blinders not to see the luminous disaster lying ahead with Obama at the helm. Okay, Secession is a politically correct form of redress. However, can it really be effective in the immediate need for change? I no longer believe our voting system is legitimate and , I am without proper direction in the disbursement of my efforts to initiate change. Does anyone have another plan redress?

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  11. OnlyAPersonHere

    good points. Another civil war would ruin our nation and would only favor those who wish to do the most harm to those who have beliefs of liberty. Destroy the most progressive nation thus far in history, and to cause the murder of a large number of people who have those beliefs. The small fraction of people statement is a good one, too. Seems our country was founded in the same way. A good book that seems relevant, “No Treason: A Constitution of No Authority” by Lysander Spooner.

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  12. OnlyAPersonHere

    I’m making no accusations, this is just my advice that I am sharing. I’m not an atheist. Maybe a Christian Agorist. Classic liberals and minarchists will argue for the necessity of a supreme court with checks and balances, but for what? why should there be a monopoly on the interpretation of justice? We should try and live voluntary lives and win the big fight through non-violence, personal action, and entrepreneurship. Instead of arguing with me, share what you believe with me.

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  13. DooUC

    Not even unintentionally. I am outright saying that if any states try to secede the Fed Govt will attack them like the last time states tried to secede. That’s why I said you lived in a dream world where you think states can secede. They can’t. I don’t care what the “rules” or the “constitution” says. They might technically be able to secede, but it won’t be like that in reality.

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  14. 1reagan123

    let me get this right and try to understand because politics are forcing white countries to open borders so other races can immigrate in is the problem? but of course its not because races are being mixed its because only the “WHITE COUNTRIES” are being forced to open borders? so in my mind there are 2 options stop forcing countries to open borders or force them all to do so? as i don’t much feel it is a problem people can “reproduce” with whomever they feel fit so it does come down to choice?

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  15. FreedomsReigning

    “You’re not free if you can’t secede?”

    Nonsense. You aren’t free unless you have liberty, and you won’t EVER get liberty without justice, and if you haven’t noticed, liberty isn’t what covetous people want.

    Liberty is NOT what wins in the free market any more than in an election. Covetous people want slaves and plunder, not liberty, and covetous people are all that we have left in this country. Obama could have stood on that stage squawking like a chicken. It doesn’t matter. He delivers.

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  16. FreedomsReigning

    “Don’t push your beliefs onto other people.”

    What belief am I pushing onto you? Are you an Atheist who can’t keep his talking points straight, somebody who’s used to attacking peoples belief systems?

    “Only you have the choice not to be a violent person.”

    Nonsense. There are 7 billion people on this planet, and they all have the same choice. The question is; what am I going to do when they decide to use violence to take what they covet?

    Should we serve justice and meet them with force?

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  17. RoderickBateman

    We are not talking about individual choice here. We are talking about policies in effect in ALL and ONLY white countries. These policies have been calculated to result in the genocide of only ONE group of people; white people. This is a crime. It is wrong. It is genocide. “Anti-racist” is a codeword for anti-white.

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  18. RoderickBateman

    From a moral standpoint it’s quite simple. Genocide is wrong. Whites have a right to exist without being targeted for genocide. Blacks are not indoctrinated to believe “i dont care what race or color i am so I don’t care if blacks get wiped out.” Asians are not indoctrinated to believe “i dont care what race or color i am so I don’t care if asians get wiped out.” Only whites are targeted with this nonsense. It’s genocide. “Anti-racist” is a codeword for anti-white.

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  19. OnlyAPersonHere

    “Be the change you wish to see.” Don’t push your beliefs onto other people. Even anarchist, or classic liberal beliefs… no matter how true they are to you. Only you have the choice not to be a violent person.

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  20. FreedomsReigning

    “Is it treasonous to WANT to secede from the United States?”

    Are we now writing laws against what you “want”? Wouldn’t that be nice?

    We can pass a law that says nobody can want to murder, rape, or steal. What is he even talking about? This secession nonsense is really starting to feel like a bunch of BS.

    I smell a rat.

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  21. FreedomsReigning

    So your solution is to live in a fantasy world where people don’t covet or use violence to take what they unjustly want?

    How’s the weather in Anarchist Lala Land?

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  22. FreedomsReigning

    As Ron Paul loves to correctly point out, this is a Constitutional Republic, not a Democracy.

    Do your state Representatives want to secede or do you just want to destroy the American Republic?

    Is it “completely off the table” because we have no legitimate representation, or because those who want to secede represent a small fraction of people who just want to destroy our county?

    If your state won’t stand up to the Federal government in any matter of law or justice, what’s the point?

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  23. 1reagan123

    with one “color” becoming extinct in the end we are all people and if white people want to be partners with non white people what is the problem if that is there choice? As i have no problem saying that others cant force some one to live somewhere meaning if a family of Asians moved across the street from me and if a black family moved next to me and a Spanish family moved on the other side of me and so forth i would be honored that i would have the chance to learn all about the cultures.

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  24. 1reagan123

    Sorry but i do not quite understand what you are trying to say from a moral standpoint. Honestly im not well educated im only 17 and just watch Ron Paul videos because i like the way he thinks. But as a person i dont care what race or color i am and i think i speak for many people when i say i find some races more sexually attractive then others and its not racist its just like finding one color hair more attractive then another and every one should be treated equal so whats the problem with

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  25. StormlakeAirsoft777

    I RATHER DIE FREE ON MY FEET, THAN A SLAVE ON MY KNEES!

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  26. OnlyAPersonHere

    little state vs BIG STATE. lose. lose. and more lose. intellectual enlightenment, entrepreneurship, and determination in YOUR(reader) ethics and tolerance of others is the only real path to peace and real prosperity. Don’t tread on others.

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  27. AlturaCt

    Yes, narcissistic, golden calf worshipers are breeding themselves out of existence. That is actually a good thing.

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  28. duncan7599

    Some states tried this whole secession thing before. It resulted in the civil war. No we dont want to go down that path again.

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  29. R3DGAT3RAIDCBX

    lol

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  30. French Canadian

    Russell Means: Welcome to the American Reservation Prison Camp (Full Length)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aN9ssrVTkk8

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  31. Surfisher

    Illegal Everything…in America!

    re: John Stossel (from FOX News)— spread this video like Wildfire, showing that nearly All our Liberties are GONE!
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    It is estimated that over 1/2 Billion Negative Laws, Rules and Regulations have been created by the Federal Government in the last 40 years.

    This number is STAGGERING — More NEGATIVE LAWS than there are Americans (counting all men, women and children in the USA) TELLING US WHAT WE CANNOT DO (thus negative laws) upon the THREAT Of GOVERNMENTAL PUNISHMENT!

    All these UNCONSTITUTIONAL LAWS are enforced by gun-totting UNIFORMS — if you have not run afoul of such, try selling Lemonade on our lawn…and see how many gun-toting Uniforms will come to shut you down by the threat of their guns they so proudly wear!
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    Some are awakening to the fact that Our Citizens have become the most government controlled peoples on this Planet today!

    These Few Enlightened Citizens, these Brave Patriots, these pure Souls in search of TRUE Justice and Liberty for All, have started petitions in all 50 States to Secede from the Federal Government that by its anti-Constitutional and anti-American ACTIVITIES has FORFEITED THE RIGHT to be called the USA.

    The goal of the Secession Petitions is not to break away from the Union, but to negate the Unconstitutional Powers that Washington, DC has usurped for their own anti-American interests, and return ALL States to the Original (Organic) US Constitution!

    It is shameful that the Main Stream Media, and their parroting, brainless shills, have such fear of the Truth, and are spreading false and silly accusations to this American Principle — Secession (if we did not Secede from Tyrannical England, we would not be called Americans)!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFfVeXhtRa0

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  32. Enlightened

    Wonderful. Secede, and when a disaster hits your state and there is no federal Gov’t. to pick up the tab, you can get together with all the other doomsday preps. and pick shit with the chickens. If you don’t like the way the country is run, change the assholes in Washington. Bring out the Guillotine and set it up on the Capital Steps and march all the corrupt scumbags to the basket. The French had the right idea for once and citizens of this country are going to have to do the same thing because the politicians are not going to give up their positions of power easily.

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  33. Sinisterene

    Secession merely require that the South represent itself with its own government, rather then the Federal Government. Not unlike the dissolution of a county, which doesn’t require a local conflict to impede or resolve, formalism or not.
    So you should ask yourself is why a war was necessary, as in, at all, in the case of secession.

    If anything, you’re unintentionally unveiling the violent nature of The State

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  34. Sinisterene

    No, I’m trying to be precise. The “Civil War” was not a war with two opposing parties vying control of one government, hence it was not a civil war.

    That’s why some people prefer to call it “War of Northern Aggression” or “War to Prevent Southern Independence” and this nomenclature is precise because the original “union” was actually a confederation, and states remained sovereign entities. What ‘The South” attempted to do was sever itself from the Federal Government and have their own.

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  35. RoderickBateman

    Telling white people to “have more babies” is not a solution when they are being targeted for genocide. “Anti-racists” are forcing ALL and ONLY white countries to bring in millions of non-whites. “Anti-racists” are forcing ALL and ONLY white people to “integrate.” “Anti-racists” are forcing ALL and ONLY white children to become minorities and exctinct EVERYWHERE. It’s genocide. “Anti-racist” is a codeword for anti-white

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