386 responses to “Ron Paul: Blind Support of Israel Leads to Unexpected Consequences”

  1. imagrandpa

    This man is about the only politician I know with integrity, morality, and consistency.

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  2. imagrandpa

    This man is about the only politician I know with integrity, morality, and consistency.

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  3. ShishirYerramilli

    Nour ,you are a stupid anti semitic cunt

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  4. YSV Rao

    Nour ,you are a stupid anti semitic cunt

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  5. mohalishaf

    American taxes at work as approved by the congress of the american state of israel..

    »crosslinked«

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  6. Pierre Coupet

    I am a lifelong Democrat.

    Ron Paul is the most conscientious, courageous, decent and honorable politician, if not in our entire American history, but most certainly during my lifetime of nearly 60 years.

    Absent nothing short of a miracle, a man like that could never, and can never, get elected to the highest office in the land – in fact, in any major country in the world. Our socio-political-economic system is too corrupted for that to happen.

    However, that being said, this miracle could come about if Ron Paul could run a “THROW AWAY YOUR VOTE AND VOTE FOR A GUARANTEED LOSER” presidential campaign since this is the biggest ammunition that all his opponents have to use – and have consistently used – against him in order to marginalize him and convince people, who otherwise would have voted for Ron Paul, that a vote for him is a wasted vote.

    As well, this is the reason why most people don’t care to vote at all and prefer to sit on the sidelines. Since they believe that a vote for any politician is a wasted vote because they are all the same; drink from the same fountain of lies; and bathe in the same bath of deception and corruption.

    If all these people make a conscious decision, and knowingly decide to throw away their vote, this would be the democratic equivalent of the French Revolution. This is the only miracle that I see. The media would have a field day with it. The pundits wouldn’t know how to spin this one.

    @Ron Paul:

    This is what I call a DISARM YOUR OPPONENT campaign strategy. By taking away their only weapon against you, you will now be free to send your message to the American people and they will now be free to hear your message. Ask people to vote for you if they truly believe you cannot win. That is the most powerful message you can send out to the American people.

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  7. Ariakas7708

    You have a mantra? Woa lookout there dude that sounds like a structed belief system *scaredpants*

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  8. Ariakas7708

    I never thought he was a messiah, I voted for hime because he wasnt Mccain/Palin. As much as I loath him I dont and never will regret that choice. Voted for Paul in 2011, aint my fult now :D

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  9. Stevie bob

    Jew want Americans to go to war & death for Israel.

    Support Chuck Hagel !

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  10. Stevie bob

    Jew want Americans to go to war & death for Israel.

    Support Chuck Hagel !

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  11. NCCJared724

    Because we let the media play with our emotions and pump him up to be this great messiah.

    Ron Paul was the REAL DEAL!

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  12. Stephanie S

    i love you ron paul.

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  13. BUGBOY10000

    We’re all surprised the name “Hitler” hasn’t been invoked yet when criticizing the corrupt actions of the Likud Party.

    Oh wait…

    Dr. Paul!

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  14. rovoojoy100

    Rand Paul voted for the Indefinite Detention of American Citizens without trial as part of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2013! Rand Paul is NO longer electable anymore! He sold out to Mitt Romney and Israel as well!: ipetitions . com/petition/recall-rand-paulr­ecallrandpaul

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  15. blindedby2monkeys

    they’ll just go to this again – watch?v=2irN1G5HiRo –
    LOOOOOOOOL

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  16. Templar5726

    Ron Paul, why the fuck did we vote in the war lord Obama in

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  17. Kubakola Jubakola

    You deserve the vote!!!!!!

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  18. Kubakola Jubakola

    You deserve the vote!!!!!!

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  19. Alaaeddin Almanassra

    Omg all the americans should have voted you! Even i would if vote if i lived in america :(

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  20. Allan98rocker

    Omg all the americans should have voted you! Even i would if vote if i lived in america :(

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  21. Xalxitz

    As a German I only heard about Ron Paul, shortly after Romney became Republican Candidate. I wish the German Conservative Party – CDU, which actually isn’t that conservative anymore, had people like him. I would have voted for him, if I could.

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  22. pennywise6192001

    Stop the bombing, children are dying!!!

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    1. AdamGmoney

      Dr. Paul makes a great point when he calls out Obama, & his hypocracy in that speech. But, Israel didn’t engage in openly bombing another state without first being repeatedly attacked. Israel, not Palestine, is the country, & has been for generations. There is also a well known book, thousands of years older than Islam, called the Bible, which clearly states that this land is the promised land to the Jewish people. Jerusalem, allegedly a holy city to Muslims, is mentioned zero times in the Quran, yet several hundred times in the Bible. Centuries later, after much back & forth conquering & “occupation” by non-Jews, Israel was re-taken by it’s people, after they could trust few other places in Europe or the middle-east, to not scapegoat them.
      Israel, like the U.S., has freedom of religion. There are many Muslims living peacefully in Israel. Muslims can serve in the Kineset, the Israeli government. The “palestinian” insurgents fighting in Gaza & the west bank are fighting because they refuse to live next to Jews peacefully, or under a Jewish government. Israel is a tiny sliver of land completely surrounded by vast, authoritarian Muslim nations, which are highly religiously intolerant. Jordan, Lebanon & Syria refuse to allow religious refugees from Gaza & West Bank into their countries, even though most Muslims in Israel / Palestine were originally emigrants from those countries. This is purposely allowed to happen by the Kings & rulers of these Arabic nations, to promote Jihad, & in the long run the Globalist’s Authoriatarian Collectivist New World Order agenda.
      Is there a Synogogue of Satan? Yes. Do some of these Luciferians / Satanists claim to be Jews? Yes. Have they taken key positions of power in the U.S. government & intelligence community, Israel gov’t & intel community, the banking industry, & most of the world’s governments? Yes. Are they behind the U.N., IMF, CFR? Yup. Are they Globalists, secret society occultists, elitists, trying to bring forth a tyrannical New World Order? Oh yeah. Is Al-Qaeda, the Arab Spring, & the Muslim Brotherhood all part of this New World Order plan? Indeed.
      It is wholly incorrect to blame the Jewish people, religion, or culture, for the deceivers, traitors, & faithless among all peoples of the world. The “Jews” involved in this New World Order, & there are many, are not true Jews but are descendants from the Task-masters, those who while in bondage in Egypt, chose to ‘police’, or ‘rat-out’ their fellow Jews, & enforce Pharaoh’s laws upon their own people, in exchange for better treatment from Pharoah. They long ago chose to betray & abandon their people & G-d, in exchange for earthly rewards & pagan beliefs. Still even today, the task masters role is to enforce & control but they are not the Planner, like the Pharaoh. The False-Jews, “those who claim to be Jews, but do lie, & are a Synagogue of Satan”, are only a part, only a role-player in the New World Order. Getting the World to turn against the Jews, is part of Satan’s plan.
      That said, I am & have been a die-hard supporter of Ron Paul, Constitutional Conservatism, & Libertarianism. I agree completely that blind support of ANY foreign government can only be hazardous at best to the United States. I am in agreement with Dr. Paul that Israel as sovereign nation, not a state in a Globalist Nation, can & should defend itself, when necessary, without consent or assistance from another nation, namely us.

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  23. Surfisher

    Ron Paul, freed of the encumbrance of running for office, IS NOW DEVOTING HIS TIME to Educate the People (and especially the young generation that will be our Future in a few years) that the Rights of the Individual, the US Citizen, are NEVER to be transgressed upon by any Unconstitutional “Laws, Rules and Regulations” that may be enacted by ANYONE in Office!

    That Wars the White House starts without Congressional approval are not only Unconstitutional, but have bankrupted us! That our Money is funny paper printed by a Private, Never Audited, organization called the Federal Reserve Board, that is NOT part of the US Treasury Department (the only LAWFUL AGENCY ALLOWED BY THE US CONSTITUTION TO ISSUE VALID US Dollars)!

    And the list of our Citizens sufferings goes on!
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    Ron Paul will now have a greater impact in saving America then ever before! Expect great things from this Greatest American in the months to follow — and in the next few years — expect that HIS Liberty Movement will Finally END the Tyranny that the Centralized Federal Government has tried to impose on We, the People!

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    In this latest interview (11-30-2012), Ron Paul logically dissects the problems of our nation — and gives apodictic solutions to the Intentional Mess the Criminals that have taken Control of the US Government have plunged us into!

    Must watch 10 minutes video — spread it like Wildfire!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLtBWDLemUs&feature=plcp

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  24. Ann Wilson Kingsley

    More information on the Israeli situation and the URL for a very informative article in the American Thinker:

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/11/some_tentative_achievements_israel_scored_with_pillar_of_defense.html?utm_source=Copy+of+11-24-12+Newsletter&utm_campaign=AT+Newsletter+11-26-12&utm_medium=email

    URL for Israeli claims they just completed testing their defense system:

    http://news.yahoo.com/israel-successfully-tests-missile-defense-system-184817893.html

    It is important that Republicans start to understand Israeli politics and defense before we get drawn into a conflict with China over this game. China is building oil refineries in Iran, and after everything else we have done to China, destroying those refineries looks like it would be the last straw.

    Netanyahu was engaged in violent saber rattling prior to the election. Next, Obama was re-elected and Hamas thought they had a wonderful opportunity – just what Israel wanted: ISRAEL NEEDED TO DRAW LIVE FIRE TO TEST THE NEW HALF OF ITS ARROW 5 DEFENSE SYSTEM, DUE IN TOTAL IN 2014. Israel always rattles its sabers to attract live fire for testing their defense systems. At the end of 2009, Israel loudly announced they were going to engage in a test of their new Iron Dome defense system, but when they actually announced the test in advance, they get missile fire. This time Israel did not announce a test, so they drew a lot of rocket and artillery fire from Hamas, just what Israel wanted. However, there is still a problem with complete testing because they only drew one missile, and it fell short – fell into the ocean. Now Israel has to come up with enough saber rattling to attract actual missile fire, not just rockets and mortars. If not before, at the end of 2014, look for a lot of saber rattling again from Israel because they will be testing their complete Arrow 5 Defense System at that time. At that point the Israelis will have overlap in their systems to compensate for a former small margin of error. The Israeli Defense Systems are on GPS, and they allow rockets, mortars, and missiles to fall in unpopulated areas because they do not want the expense of deploying anti-missiles at all incoming fire. The new Arrow 5 Defense System will target all incoming fire very close to launch. In other words, if Pakistan launches a nuke at Israel, Pakistan is likely to get the fallout, if not the full impact from their own nuke.

    Israel is becoming close to invulnerable. I wish I could say the same about the U.S. We do not have any of these Defense Systems – only ones against nukes, and all of the wars since the World War II A-Bombs have been land invasions. No country can afford to nuke another. Again, watch for another Israeli Defense System test at the end of 2014, if not before, you will be rewarded with another manufactured war.

    Keep the U.S. out of this conflict. Israel has everything very well in hand. Hamas has to be dumb as a rock to ever respond to Israel’s challenges as would the whole Middle East, even Pakistan. As Americans, we need to stop being dumb as rocks about Israel’s game. Israel is shortly to be a world power, and I predict it will get really aggressive.

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  25. Greg

    Missiles fired into Israeli neghborhoods? Land grabbing Israelis for sure! I’m sure they bombed their own bus to cover their own barbaric tactics!

    Right on Patriotb52! Can I get one of your tee shirts!

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  26. Photina Cook

    Israel is the only nation I have ever heard of that has taken casualties among its own soldiers in order to reduce casualties among their enemies (Lebanon war and also in Gaza). They have a love of Life.

    The Palestinians have said they will win the war because the Palestinian love of Death is greater than the Jewish love of Life. But it is not really that. The Muslims greatly outnumber the Jews, so that the Jews cannot have a free, democratic society unless most of the Arabs are artificially excluded. This breeds ferocity and desperation in the Arabs. The Jewish/Christian “Holy Land” is also sacred territory to Islam–all of it. They do not have the free right to visit their Holy Places, and they do not agree that other people’s disinterest in their own religions means that they have to be as flippant on such things as Europe or the US.

    The Palestinians originally wanted a One-State solution, in which Palestine would allow Jewish immigration and be ruled by the 90% Arab majority. If they had allowed all the Jews to immigrate, though, they would have lost too much land and sovereignty. So Israel declared itself a State in 1948, with most of The British Mandate going to the Arab State of Jordan. This is the Two-State Solution. It is unacceptable to the Arabs for good reason, so they created the Refugee Problem and the Terrorism Problems. They have been outraged. They are not just seeking homes and food, etc. but the full dignity of their religion and history.

    This cannot be solved by US meddling, and without US aid, Israel might likely die.

    But there are always solutions for men (people) of good will: those who fully respect the rights of others. I would propose a Three State Solution, recognising the THREE Abrahamic peoples with unalienable rights in this region: the Jews (by faith or race), the Muslims, and the Christians. Each should form their own government over the same overall territory, with full access to mutually sacred places for all 3 faiths, except the Temple Mount.

    Only Jews by race or religion, and refugees such as Bahais should have Israeli citizenship. The Christians should come up with a name for themselves. The Muslims could be Jordan, fully united with that nation, or Palestine if only the part of the British Mandate West of the Jordan is included.

    Each government should have its own license plates, postal systems and armies. The armies should drill together for mutual protection against any outside assault.

    Many Jews by race are products of mixed marriages and are also Christian. These would have dual citizenship as Jews and Christians, and would have special dual license plates. There would be walled neighborhoods that would be exclusively Jewish or Muslim or Christian, and the three governments would cooperate to ensure free movement among them. There would also be open neighborhoods where all 3 faiths could live. Jerusalem’s Old City would be one of those.

    All children should be required to be taught the basic beliefs of all three faiths in first grade, 6th grade or so and high school. The last course should teach about all the world’s major religions, and major sects (such as Sunni/Shiite Islam).

    All children should also be taught the cultures of all three of these peoples, which should include field trips. Food should be sampled, with proper respect for kosher or halal rules.

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  27. For Liberty

    While I agree with Ron Paul on how nations (like US) encourage hate against us; Ron’s comments about Israel show some ignorance about the long history between Israel and the Palestinian people.

    Israel has encouraged violence against it before the nation of Israel was re-formed by occupying land without talking with the people who lived there. Israel would move a bunch of trucks into an area and within a day erect pre-fab buildings. This was the start of the aggravation against Israel, and is understandable. Then due to a historical rivalry between Jews and surrounding nations, nations around Israel have desired to wipe out the Jews. Not just defeat the leaders but completely wipe all the people. This forces a fight for survival on behalf of Israel which is much stronger than just a dislike. While Israel is fighting for survival. The peoples around Israel keep aggravating Israel and Israel pushes back in a serious manner.

    To make things worse the US & UN has taked Terroist groups like the PLO, Hamas, etc and turned them into legitimate political powers that rule over the Palestinian people with an iron fist. The US & UN continue to fund and support these terror groups in the name of humanitarian aid. These groups self-declare that violence is the only way to liberate Palestine. The language of these groups charters goes as far as wiping all Jews off the land of Palestine.

    This conflict is not as simple as Ron Paul makes it out to be. There is no simple solution. There is no easy struggle against groups that are willing to place women in children in the line of fire to protect themselves. There are ways that this can be made easier. The US and UN are not helping. Israel does much better that the US and UN as they have to live with the consequences. Israel’s heavy handed nature in dealing with security and the wars helps in the short run but not the long run. There needs to be a careful way to diffuse the situation, which could take decades.

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    1. AdamGmoney

      Your comment illustrates how it is not Israel controlling U.S. foreign policy, but the the other way around. Really, it’s the Globalists in the U.N., U.S. gov’t, & all over the world who are promoting major conflict in Israel & the middle-east for profit, & to bring forth their New World Order agenda. The U.N. & U.S. have hindered Israeli efforts to protect themselves by dictating Israeli borders & returning conqured lands to it’s enemies, like the Sinai & Suez Canal. The U.S. & U.N. give aid to Israel’s enemies & protest Israeli housing development on Israel’s own land. Recently Obama even called for Israel to return to undefensable 1967 borders.
      At the same time, the U.S. provides Israel (as well as her enemies) with all the weapons & aid they need to keep the relative stale-mate going, which keeps the conflict going, instead of allowing Israel to resoundingly defeat it’s enemies, as would have been the conclusion of all previous ground wars between Israel & her enemies..

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  28. Petr Bastar

    I agree 100% with Ron Paul. US Support for Israel is a travesty. Their methods and level of expansion is mimicking the behavior of Nazi Germany in the early 30′s when all they said the wanted was “lebensraum.” It is contrary to international war and treaties they signed themselves, and US support of it is on the level of Neville Chamberlain’s quest for “peace in our time,” a complete sham. Worse, we are in violation of our own policy not to support terrorist nations, which is in actuality what Israel is. They have, by their own admission, in the past resorted to assassination, car bombing and other such methods to kill others without any consideration to civilians surrounding their “target.” If that is not terrorism, what is? Their military campaigns are nothing short of barely disguised and illegal land grabs to expand their fascist state. The civilian casualties they inflict are totally out of proportions with the military objective and can not be simply explained by collateral damage, they are nothing less then a policy of genocide against the Palestinian people. History will judge us harshly for this policy of supporting a nation that seemed to learn so well the horrific lessons of WWII and the methods of Hitler’s Germany that they adopted them for their own. We should cut all aid/support to Israel, expel their diplomatic missions here (who have been in the past found guilty of espionage against the US), and support if not introduce a call for international trade sanctions with the Israeli state at the UN. By condoning and supporting Israel’s behavior we are just increasing the level of violence and warfare there will exist there in the future , hurting our own economy, endangering the future safety of the US and destroying our credibility and good will in the international forum.

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    1. AdamGmoney

      Land grab? Have you looked at a map? Israel is smaller than New Jersey, surrounded by nothing but vast Muslim Nations.
      The only comparison that can be made to Hitler & the Nazi’s land grabbing, & consequent appeasement by the Europeans & the international community, can be made about Hamas, who despite their murderous, oppressive, terrorist tactics against their own people & Israel, have been given more & more land, & more international recognition & credibility, in their pursuit of the genocide of the Jews.
      You’re calling Israel, the only nation in the region with freedom of religion, democracy, free markets, & a tolerant culture a “fascist state”? Try taking a good look at all the muslim nations in the region, meaning all the other nations in the region. Dictatorships. Theocratic nations. Sharia Law. Or worse. Just look at the turmoil in Egypt, & how the Muslim Brotherhood are tyrants. Look at Syria, & the occult Assad regime & their evil deeds. I’ve watched on youtube as radical muslims STONE a little girl to DEATH for BEING RAPED! They call it a mercy killing. Get a clue.
      It is a known fact that Hamas & their brother terrorist groups strategically place civilians including women & children in & around their military targets to cause as many of their own casualties as possible to gain international sympathy from uninformed neo-liberal simpletons the world over. That is why the casualty rates are much higher. The radical muslims believe they are sacrificing for Allah. The Israeli’s actually get their civilians out of harm’s way, & they’ve had plenty of practice thanks to your friends & their death cult launching rockets on a daily basis.
      As for cutting aid, I’m for ending ALL foreign aid, especially since we give 7x the $Billions we give to Israel, to Israel’s enemies.

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      1. Brad

        Adam, of the middle East I only know what I hear which is most likely skewed as our main stream media and government lives on doing. We need to look in the mirror, we are far from perfect. We have a system that kills us and lets us die for every reason but none is nessisary. As Ron Paul always says “What is going on here!” I read the way everybody thinks and we are all so blind and brainwashed I’m suprised we can feed ourselves.

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  29. SlackerSlayer

    I sometimes need to use your own teachings to make the point that one of you would comprehend,,, which you failed to do. They have trained you as they wanted you to be.

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  30. SlackerSlayer

    What is foul about calling a religious faithful person “damned” when they openly do things that goes against their religious teachings. Damned is the proper word for them you moron. Any jew calling israel gods gift to the jew, is ignorant of their own religious teachings.

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  31. SlackerSlayer

    Typical ignorance from a faithful moron. Have you ever heard of the do no harm to others mantra? No I guess not. There is no excuse you can come up with except the lies you blindly accepted as fact. Tell us how the DAMNed jew accepts an israel before their god has planned for it. They don’t care either. The jews claims what Hitler was about,,, he would be proud of those damned jews in occupied Palestine. Repeats of the genocide of a Canaanite. Homicidal habits are in their genes or teachings?

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  32. Jay

    I stand with Israel !
    Call it what you do Mr. Doctor Ron Paul, I supported you full through last election an got people to switch to republican just to vote for you an all, but my stance with Israel will NEVER move. They may have got our Savior Jesus killed thousands of years ago, but that was Yahweh’s gods plan through Jesus for his message, but all an all the moment we turn on Israel, the moment the USA will start going through hell even more then we are with the current tyrannical fake false man occupying office of presidency with unjust deals like NDAA bill an other acts like Patriot act an other deals he’s trying to do to Disarm America an have the man who earned his money pay for the poor people to buy drugs an other non-societal beneficial tasks on the working mans tax dollar.
    Mr. Paul I love your hope for peace, but understand Israel will help for peace if they can, but the darn Cultist Islamic members are bust following the
    Koran 9:29
    “Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture – [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.”
    and
    Koran 9:30
    “The Jews say, “Ezra is the son of Allah “; and the Christians say, “The Messiah is the son of Allah .” That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?”
    &
    an there by Gaza people an other muslims go to start killing Jews because they don’t pay Jizyah Tax to them of half there earnings an will not follow the Islamic dogma. The Darn Child Rapist Muslim believers “Bukhari 6:298 – He was 54 he was messing with the 8 year old sexually, that rape to me”
    Look the Muslims have to tax themselves out of the 7th century an not try bombing neighbors an peace can be, but until they drop faith for the Satanic Cult ideals of Islam they will always be killing and trying to kill Infidel non-believers to there ways.
    Koran 9:5
    “And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush…”
    is the order to kill they follow to “kill or Slay” which means kill to us or maybe the fact they are ready for some more war murder on Jews an infidels to the Child Rapist Thoughts of the false God of Islam who is Satan, us like under
    Koran 8:39
    “And fight them until there is no fitnah and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah . And if they cease – then indeed, Allah is Seeing of what they do.”
    or
    Koran 8:12
    “[Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, “I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip.”"
    Or
    maybe a couple false lies to deceive us they are good for the world with there actions. More wrongs are done viva la Islam, than the Jewish. There can be peace when Islam lives an doesn’t try to kill others for the false Idea of 72 virgins waiting for them as they go an kill themselves to take others lives.

    “Lying (Taqiyya and Kitman)
    Question:

    Are Muslims permitted to lie?
    Summary Answer:

    Muslim scholars teach that Muslims should generally be truthful to each other, unless the purpose of lying is to “smooth over differences.”

    There are two forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, taqiyya and kitman. These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause Islam – in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.

    The Qur’an:

    Qur’an (16:106) – Establishes that there are circumstances that can “compel” a Muslim to tell a lie.

    Qur’an (3:28) – This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to “guard themselves.”

    Qur’an (9:3) – “…Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters…” The dissolution of oaths with the pagans who remained at Mecca following its capture. They did nothing wrong, but were evicted anyway.

    Qur’an (40:28) – A man is introduced as a believer, but one who must “hide his faith” among those who are not believers.

    Qur’an (2:225) – “Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts” The context of this remark is marriage, which explains why Sharia allows spouses to lie to each other for the greater good.

    Qur’an (66:2) – “Allah has already ordained for you, (O men), the dissolution of your oaths”

    Qur’an (3:54) – “And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers.” The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara, which literally means deceit. If Allah is deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same. (See also 8:30 and 10:21)

    Taken collectively these verses are interpreted to mean that there are circumstances when a Muslim may be “compelled” to deceive others for a greater purpose.

    From the Hadith:

    Bukhari (52:269) – “The Prophet said, ‘War is deceit.’” The context of this is thought to be the murder of Usayr ibn Zarim and his thirty unarmed men by Muhammad’s men after he “guaranteed” them safe passage (see Additional Notes below).

    Bukhari (49:857) – “He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar.” Lying is permitted when the end justifies the means.

    Bukhari (84:64-65) – Speaking from a position of power at the time, Ali confirms that lying is permissible in order to deceive an “enemy.”

    Muslim (32:6303) – “…he did not hear that exemption was granted in anything what the people speak as lie but in three cases: in battle, for bringing reconciliation amongst persons and the narration of the words of the husband to his wife, and the narration of the words of a wife to her husband (in a twisted form in order to bring reconciliation between them).”

    Bukhari (50:369) – Recounts the murder of a poet, Ka’b bin al-Ashraf, at Muhammad’s insistence. The men who volunteered for the assassination used dishonesty to gain Ka’b's trust, pretending that they had turned against Muhammad. This drew the victim out of his fortress, whereupon he was brutally slaughtered despite putting up a ferocious struggle for his life.

    From Islamic Law:
    Reliance of the Traveler (p. 746 – 8.2) – “Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible (N:i.e. when the purpose of lying is to circumvent someone who is preventing one from doing something permissible), and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory… it is religiously precautionary in all cases to employ words that give a misleading impression…
    “One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie.

    Additional Notes:
    Muslims are allowed to lie to unbelievers in order to defeat them. The two forms are:
    Taqiyya – Saying something that isn’t true.

    Kitman – Lying by omission. An example would be when Muslim apologists quote only a fragment of verse 5:32 (that if anyone kills “it shall be as if he had killed all mankind”) while neglecting to mention that the rest of the verse (and the next) mandate murder in undefined cases of “corruption” and “mischief.”

    Though not called Taqiyya by name, Muhammad clearly used deception when he signed a 10-year treaty with the Meccans that allowed him access to their city while he secretly prepared his own forces for a takeover. The unsuspecting residents were conquered in easy fashion after he broke the treaty two years later, and some of the people in the city who had trusted him at his word were executed.

    Another example of lying is when Muhammad used deception to trick his personal enemies into letting down their guard and exposing themselves to slaughter by pretending to seek peace. This happened in the case of Ka’b bin al-Ashraf (as previously noted) and again later against Usayr ibn Zarim, a surviving leader of the Banu Nadir tribe, which had been evicted from their home in Medina by the Muslims.

    At the time, Usayr ibn Zarim was attempting to gather an armed force against the Muslims from among a tribe allied with the Quraish (against which Muhammad had already declared war). Muhammad’s “emissaries” went to ibn Zarim and persuaded him to leave his safe haven on the pretext of meeting with the prophet of Islam in Medina to discuss peace. Once vulnerable, the leader and his thirty companions were massacred by the Muslims with ease, belying the probability that they were mostly unarmed, having been given a guarantee of safe passage (Ibn Ishaq 981).

    Such was the reputation of Muslims for lying and then killing that even those who “accepted Islam” did not feel entirely safe. The fate of the Jadhima is tragic evidence for this. When Muslim “missionaries” approached their tribe one of the members insisted that they would be slaughtered even though they had already “converted” to Islam to avoid just such a demise. However, the others were convinced that they could trust the Muslim leader’s promise that they would not be harmed if they simply offered no resistance. (After convincing the skeptic to lay down his arms, the unarmed men of the tribe were quickly tied up and beheaded – Ibn Ishaq 834 & 837).

    Today’s Muslims often try to justify Muhammad’s murder of poets and others who criticized him at Medina by saying that they broke a treaty by their actions. Yet, these same apologists place little value on treaties broken by Muslims. From Muhammad to Saddam Hussein, promises made to non-Muslim are distinctly non-binding in the Muslim mindset.

    Leaders in the Arab world routinely say one thing to English-speaking audiences and then something entirely different to their own people in Arabic. Yassir Arafat was famous for telling Western newspapers about his desire for peace with Israel, then turning right around and whipping Palestinians into a hateful and violent frenzy against Jews.

    The 9/11 hijackers practiced deception by going into bars and drinking alcohol, thus throwing off potential suspicion that they were fundamentalists plotting jihad. This effort worked so well, in fact, that even weeks after 9/11, John Walsh, the host of a popular American television show, said that their bar trips were evidence of ‘hypocrisy.’

    The transmission from Flight 93 records the hijackers telling their doomed passengers that there is “a bomb on board” but that everyone will “be safe” as long as “their demands are met.” Obviously none of these things were true, but these men, who were so intensely devoted to Islam that they were willing to “slay and be slain for the cause of Allah” (as the Qur’an puts it) saw nothing wrong with employing Taqiyya in order to facilitate their mission of mass murder.

    The Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) insists that it “has not now or ever been involved with the Muslim Brotherhood, or supported any covert, illegal, or terrorist activity or organization.” In fact, it was created by the Muslim Brotherhood and has bankrolled Hamas. At least nine founders or board members of ISNA have been accused by prosecutors of supporting terrorism.

    Prior to engineering several deadly terror plots, such as the Fort Hood massacre and the attempt to blow up a Detroit-bound airliner, American cleric Anwar al-Awlaki was regularly sought out by NPR, PBS and even government leaders to expound on the peaceful nature of Islam.

    The near absence of Qur’anic verse and reliable Hadith that encourage truthfulness is somewhat surprising, given that many Muslims are convinced that their religion teaches honesty. In fact, it is because of this ingrained belief that many Muslims are quite honest. When lying is addressed in the Qur’an, it is nearly always in reference to the “lies against Allah” – referring to the Jews and Christians who rejected Muhammad’s claim to being a prophet.

    Finally, the circumstances by which Muhammad allowed a believer to lie to a non-spouse are limited to those that either advance the cause of Islam or enable a Muslim to avoid harm to his well-being (and presumably that of other Muslims as well). Although this should be kept very much in mind when dealing with matters of global security, such as Iran’s nuclear intentions, it is not grounds for assuming that the Muslim one might personally encounter on the street or in the workplace is any less honest than anyone else.”

    “On a week in which two suicide bombers slaughtered over
    54 Christian and Druze (above photo) and Sunni extremists
    massacred nearly 100 Shiites in Iraq, TROP recorded our
    20,000th Islamic terror attack since 9/11. It happened to be the
    stabbing and dismemberment of a Jewish woman in her Iranian
    home by religious radicals intent on expanding a mosque.

    Allah’s Apostle said, “The Hour will not be established until you fight
    with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will
    say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.”
    (Sahih Bukhari 52:177)

    “Killing Jews is worship that draws us closer to Allah.”
    CAIR-supported Hamas

    Islam’s Latest Contributions to Peace
    “Mohammed is God’s apostle. Those who follow him are harsh
    to the unbelievers but merciful to one another” Quran 48:29″”

    I stand with Israel, Not Hamas, hope you do the same

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    1. Robert

      Hey Jay –

      I stand with America, not Israel or the Muslims. I hope you do too.

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    2. Joe

      Jay,
      This might change your mind about how you look at Israel

      http://world-awakening.blogspot.gr/2012/08/house-of-rothschild-no-one-can.html

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    3. Brad

      Jay you are the smartest but blindest fool i’ll ever know. Israel and all of it Zionist Jew and non but Zionist can “Go straight to hell, instant death for all of them.” As well as every last knowing American one and any one any where else.

      The world would be a much safer, calmer and better place without them. 911 was an inside job allowed and known by both Bush preisdents, predicted by Bush senior 911, 1991. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=bush+senior+new+world+order+speech&oq=bush+senior&gs_l=youtube.1.0.0l8j0i5l2.3234.9000.0.15125.11.10.0.0.0.0.2437.4466.2-2j3j1j9-1.7.0…0.0…1ac.1.VO-uOmcV2Bg

      If you American don’t get your sh-t together “NOW!” YOUR GOING TO AND ARE ALREADY DESTROYING THE WORLD!

      Start in your own back yard then quickly Israel, it is an illegal country ran on total evil and America’s their sponser. Their war games before even the WW1
      with Britain, Germany, Catholasism (the Vatican- EVIL) and our grand parents lives is over “NOW!”

      WE MUST TAKE OUR WORLD BACK NOW! SEE WHERE WE’VE BEEN AND WHY WE WERE THERE AND BY WHOM. Are we so NAIVE that we are blind to the facts before us. How many time does the same blue print of the same Evil lies of desception have to be laid out before you for you to see the reality, not what your told the reality is.

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      1. Brad

        Same date 911, 1941 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5HjRbIC6-g
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8801lDriKo
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd8wwMFmCeE
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZU0c8DAIU4
        I’m bouncing around a bit but the words and the themes are carbon copies of the past and the yet to come.
        “WAKE THE HELL UP EVERYBODY!”
        They have us numb and dumbed down, we need to dust ourselves off and put an end to this constant bombardment of our freedom, spirit and true reality.

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  33. Bill

    I wish to clarify a point:

    I meant to say that by financing both sides indirectly through “foreign aid” you may keep conflicts alive that might otherwise die. By ending the financing you will hopefully end such a situation, providing no fuel for the fire.

    The United States seems to me to have a very ambiguous position vis a vis Israel. At one and the same time they have seemed to favor her but in some ways to keep the kettle boiling by support for the so-called Arab Spring that has installed or esconced Israel’s enemies in power in Egypt etc. As long as Iran and Iraq were on opposite sides they were too busy attacking each other to hinder Israel’s quest for security. Yet first we supported Iran (as Persia) then we supported Iraq (as an enemy of Iran). Now we do not approve either, but still apparently have a policy of intervention in all Middle Eastern nations in one way or another.
    We could be energy independent but that is not apparently what the status quo desires, under either party.

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  34. Bill

    I also have tended to like Ron Paul’s policy of ending foreign aid to all nations, of not intervening. I am hoping that, by ending a situation of financing through foreign aid, both sides of a conflict you keep it going.

    I’ve read the book and know how all this ends, with Israel isolated in the world. Israel lost its only friend in the Middle East when the old regime was toppled there, and those who befriend terrorism and hate Israel were empowered, with the support of America, with a lot of talk of liberation for the peoples of the Middle East that seems entirely unrealized. Israel has an historic claim to the land that again bears her name, though and the war with the Philistines has been resumed. As before the surrounding nations agree on nothing but hatred of Israel. Left alone the Israel-haters would perhaps destroy one another.

    I wish Israel well and must agree that Israel has not been the aggressor but the defender in this situation and others. Couldn’t we regard Israel sympathetically and still be Ron Paul supporters at large? Is that possible?

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    1. Brad

      Bill, what a bunch of bull shit, your talking out of both sides of your mouth and different colors of crap are coming out. Israel is the biggest instigater with a US backer of vise versa but its the same either way. I am 41, I pray that by the time I’m 50 Israel will just be a bad memory. Then all Zionism can die a terrible death with it… God Bless America now and forever!

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  35. fr8trane1000

    What do you expect,Israel is home to the Rothschilds Headquarters,our owners they have to be protected .

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