Ron Paul: No Second Thoughts about Leaving Congress

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Alan Colmes: I’m Alan Colmes, and I’m always delighted to have with us on the program Congressman Ron Paul. Dr. Paul is leaving Congress after this term, he served during the late 1970s and early 1980s and returned in 1997 to represent the 14th congressional district in Texas. In 1988 he was the Libertarian Party candidate for President, he’s also the author of several books, including The Challenge to Liberty, The Case for Gold, and The Republic. By the way, you’ve done some great cookbooks, too.

Ron Paul: Oh, yea, my wife did those and we kid a lot about that. I always ask, “Why do you want to do such a silly thing as a cookbook”, but then it turns out that she probably got more votes for me than I got for myself.

Alan Colmes: Are you disappointed with the results of this election?

Ron Paul: Well, not in any way, it is probably exactly what I expected. I remember a couple of days before the election I was asked to predict the outcome, and I said the status quo is going to win. So, from my viewpoint, where I want less war and better protection of civil liberties and free markets, we still have the status quo, we still have the deficits, and they’re going to argue for a while longer. So, I guess I wouldn’t say it’s a disappointment. It’s disappointing, I guess, if we don’t ever shift gears, but it wasn’t unexpected.

Alan Colmes: You didn’t think it would make a difference if it if it was Obama or Romney?

Ron Paul: No, not really.

Alan Colmes: Did you vote for Garry Johnson?

Ron Paul: I’m not telling.

Alan Colmes: You haven’t answered that question yet.

Ron Paul: No, I haven’t answered it, and it’s a little bit late now.

Alan Colmes: What do we do about the fiscal cliff, can we avoid it? And I know you’ve said it’s already happened, but what’s the path that should now be taken by the Congress and by the President?

Ron Paul: I think if you’re in a deficit crisis and a debt problem, that you have to cut back on the spending. If you or I got into serious trouble, we would have to say that if we were ethical, we’d want to pay off our debt. And what we would do is we would get two jobs and we would cut back the spending and get out of the mess we’re in. Governments are different, they never do that, they always just keep borrowing more and printing more and making the problems that much worse. So I would get out of it by cutting back. But during the campaign, I emphasized some priorities, and my idea would be to get people to agree on the overseas spending, because our debt, in the last ten years, probably went up over 4 trillion dollars just from the militarism and the wars. And that’s going to be ongoing when you think of all the men who have come back and are suffering and all the seriously wounded; and I think we can save a lot of money. We don’t have to go immediately after the entitlement system or Child Healthcare. Of course, as a libertarian, I don’t think those are good ideas, I think they usually end up the way they are today: they cost too much and services get rationed and people are worse off. And this was the message that I gave and it was well received on the campuses. The young people are inheriting this mess, they know the wars are useless and they know the spending doesn’t make any sense, and they were very open to my views on the Federal Reserve System, too.

Alan Colmes: So it seems, in your view, perhaps, that if we went off the fiscal cliff, that wouldn’t be such a bad idea if no deal were made, right?

Ron Paul: Well, it’s going to be bad if it doesn’t wake us up. If it wakes us up, it’s good. It’s good that the Soviet Union went off the cliff, and they had to retrench, and they went back home and they quit invading these countries. So I think when it’s admitted in the world sense that the United States is broke and they can’t afford it and they’re tired of loaning us money, we’re going to have to come home because we won’t be able to afford it, because I think then they’ll say, “We better take care of the people here at home rather than fighting these senseless wars”. And I think this is one of the things that actually hurt Romney, he wanted to spend 2 trillion dollars more on the military. And I always think that the candidate that sounds like he’s better for peace, wins the election. And even though Obama actually softened his stand, yet his policies aren’t very peaceful.

Alan Colmes: Yes, he had the surge in Afghanistan and he went into Libya, that’s where I differ from the President, and that’s where your messages resonates so much with me in terms of troops. And you’ve talked so often about all these military bases we have based on the geo-politics of World War II around the world, and how many dollars could we save there

Ron Paul: Yes, and also, as soon as you get this war attitude and you end up with carelessness about civil liberties. Now we have a President that can kill and assassinate American citizens and put them in prison without a trial.

Alan Colmes: Anybody can be declared an ‘enemy combatant’. And how about the Defense Authorization Act where the homeland is declared a ‘battlefield’ or smt.

Ron Paul: Yes, and the military can arrest people. But this is why I see that there is too much bipartisanship, both parties endorse this system. If people are honest with themselves, the foreign policy didn’t change from Bush on to Obama, civil liberties were abused by bush, and they’re abused by Obama. About spending, the conservatives have a reputation for cutting, but they never cut. As a matter of fact, they took a position that deficits don’t matter, that was supply-siders. I think deficits do matter, even though in the short run people think they can keep borrowing. But governments eventually get into trouble, and if an individual gets into trouble, the banks quit giving them any more loans and they have to quit. But governments only quit when they ruin the money, and we’re very capable of doing that.

Alan Colmes: We’re talking with Dr. Ron Paul, you obviously still have a lot to say, and you’ve had a very consistent message for a long time now. Any second thoughts about leaving Congress at the end of this term?

Ron Paul: No, matter of fact I’m sort of looking forward to a little bit different schedule, I’ll get to do things that I have been doing and hopefully I can get back to college campuses. I think that’s where the action is, you can’t have revolutionary changes without young people endorsing it, and I believe they are very open to some of the many things that I’ve talked about.

Alan Colmes: But you obviously want to still be part of the political discussion, you want to be part of the dialogue that’s going on.

Ron Paul: Yea, at least on policy. I have a foundation, and the foundation is going to concentrate on foreign policy. I had dinner last night with Dennis Kucinich, and we’re good friends and we’ll be working together trying to show that somebody who’s calls himself a progressive and libertarians can get together (Republican and Democratic) and agree on some of these things.

Alan Colmes: Some of us talk about the Kucinich-Paul ticket 4 years ago, right?

Ron Paul: Yea, some people said that, but I think it’s not likely to happen. But we can still work together since we’ll both be out of Congress.

Alan Colmes: I’ve also been fortunate enough to have your son, Rand, on the program a few times. And is he now carrying the torch of your message going forward, and can you talk about him running as a candidate in 2016?

Ron Paul: Well, we haven’t talked about that, but I hope he basically sticks to the principles of Liberty, and I believe he will, but it has to be more than Ron Paul and Rand Paul. I mean, if this is significant, you have to have literally thousands of people involved and you have to have an intellectual change, and that’s what I’m interested in more than the politics. And that’s probably why I never became a chairman of a major committee, because I was sort of bored with that. But, hopefully, a few people got to thinking about monetary policy and foreign policy.

Alan Colmes: Let me ask you about the secession movement, and you’re belief is that it’s patriotic. In fact, and it’s called for in our founding documents that states that we certainly have the right to speak up. But are you surprised by the number of people who have signed petitions on the White House website since the election?

Ron Paul: Yes, a little bit, it just seemed like that popped out of nowhere, but many of us have believed that if people read the history honestly, it was sort of understood. But the numbers of people signing up sort of surprised me. But those people who tried to paint us as a little bit off the wall by saying , “Yes, the principle of secession should be there, we should be able to leave”, wonder what they would say about if Greece wanted to leave the European Union, do we say that the European Union ought to invade Greece and destroy them and kill them all because they’re leaving?

Alan Colmes: Do you have empathy or sympathy, at least, for those who want to secede?

Ron Paul: Oh yea, I think the principle is a very good principle. But one thing where I get hesitant about it – because I don’t take the position that Texas should secede, I’m not going to believe that – is because you have to look at what the states are doing. Maybe the state officials are going to abuse the system just like the federal government, so you have to know what you’re substituting it for. So, for me, it’s more important to understand free market principles and why we don’t need these wars and why we should have a government that protects civil liberties. And, you know, the states can be very abusive, too.

Alan Colmes: I only have a moment left, let me take a quick call here for Ron Paul. Rob in San Jose, go ahead quickly.

Rob: Hi, first of all I would just like to say that I so wish that Dr. Paul would have been the nominee. Actually I wish he would have been the third party nominee, which leads me to my question: what can we do to get a viable third party in this country, because the two parties are just …

Alan Colmes: Okay, we only have about 30 seconds left, but let’s try to get an answer, go ahead, Ron.

Ron Paul: Yes, that would be nice, and I’ve worked in that area and have tried to change the rules, but it’s not going to happen in the near future because the Republicans and the Democrats write all the rules. Guess who runs the debates, it’s the Republican and Democratic Parties. So it’s very biased, you can’t get on the ballots and you don’t get recognized by the media.

Alan Colmes: And that was Gary Johnson’s frustration, I’m sure.

Ron Paul: Yea, we go over and send kids overseas and get killed trying to promote democracy, and there are a lot of shortcomings here in this country, that’s my argument, we ought to clean up our mess.

Alan Colmes: Dr. Paul, I appreciate having you on, thank you so much for being with us tonight.

  • http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=maskedphrogg maskedphrogg

    Politico? We know which side of the fence you sit on. I rest my case.

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  • http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=hXcDiedWithHitler hXcDiedWithHitler

    In my own eyes? Are you kidding? Look at the Politico election map results. The only state where it was even close was Florida. If you took all of GJ’s votes in Florida and changed them to Romney votes, he STILL wouldn’t have won Florida. Even if he DID win Florida, he still wouldn’t have won the election. Don’t blame us who voted for principle for your loss. Blame the GOP for picking a shitty moderate/liberal candidate.

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  • http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=maskedphrogg maskedphrogg

    I can guarantee you they were not. They were expecting to vote for Gary Johnson or Ron Paul and thus making more likely the Obama win. Exactly as we saw.

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  • http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=DavidWhyham David Whyham

    Interesting, thank you for not being the typical youtube jerk :)

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  • http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=maskedphrogg maskedphrogg

    I was wondering if/when the illiterate crowd would check in. Did your caretaker enter that post for you?

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  • http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=maskedphrogg maskedphrogg

    You’re right, in your own eyes. The rest of us are not willing to ignore how small changes in vote tallies would have changed the electoral vote in a number of key States completely changing the outcome of the national election.

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  • http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=maskedphrogg maskedphrogg

    ESAD wierdo

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  • http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=maskedphrogg maskedphrogg

    Cite the study or go bay at the moon elsewhere. I hope for your sake English is not your primary language. You are obviously not adept at it’s usage. You create grammatically correct sentences, yet there is not a sliver of logic or rational train of thought to be found.

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  • http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=thotkrime thotkrime

    Well it occurs constantly to the extant that money is left in the hands of free investors. The taxes that are collected and then distributed by the government more often than not end up wasted, for example, so much of the solar companies that got government money ended up going BK, or were even just scams. When private investors are able to select how to invest their money it always works better. You get some BK’s and frauds, but the private sector distributes it in the most efficnt wy pssibl

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  • http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=7orThree 7orThree

    Why not put a cap on how much money each canidate can raise for their election campaigns? Then all the sudden it’s not corporations that control the outcome of elections but the people.

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  • http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=Eduardo89rp Eduardo89rp

    Could you at least credit me for recording the interview?

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  • http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=evanr00 evanr00

    Those things are terrific, but voting now TWICE for sanctions on Iran, and for the Trespass Bill is pretty horrible.

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  • http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=NickSomberg Nick Somberg

    Oh don’t worry, you will still get 100% of the Romney’s policies you voted for with Obama!
    – Big government
    -endless spending
    -endless war
    -loss of civil liberties
    -TSA/patriot act/NDAA
    – printing money

    etc. etc. !!

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  • http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=D3mang3l D3mang3l

    ROFL, yeah because Romney was SOOOOOO much better than Obama right… Like, night and day huh. Yeah, they don’t work for the same people or anything, SUCKER! LOL

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  • http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=D3mang3l D3mang3l

    You do know the new bill just reinforces NDAA right? He also started snubbing folks like we are Change (formerly one of his staunch supporters) and those more or less fringe elements of the liberty movement as soon as he got “made” by the GOP. Just saying, I don’t trust him, if he wants my vote in 2016, he has to show me he is his fathers son, not just a guy with the same last name and a few similar policies.

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  • http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=EndTheFed5 EndTheFed5

    The Liberty Movement needs to double our caucus in the Congress in the Mid-Term elections…there should be some great Liberty Candidates running for Senate in 2014…

    Tom Davis in South Carolina, Jim Forysthe in New Hampshire, Aaron Libby in Maine….

    Kurt Bills in Minnesota and Joe Miller in Alaska could run again…

    Gary Johnson could run for Senate in New Mexico…

    The Ron Paul Revolution could take over the Congress in 2014 and Rand Paul could take the Presidency in 2016

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  • http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=SvenBenson SvenBenson

    You’re right; he’s NOT ron paul; he’s just slightly better than the rest of the senate.

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  • http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=temudjin1155 temudjin1155

    We love you Dr Paul !

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  • http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=hXcDiedWithHitler hXcDiedWithHitler

    What about him for voting for sanctions on Iran? Sanctions are an act of war. His father knows that. He talks about “closing the tax loopholes. What about making the tax code one big loophole so that nobody has to pay it? The income tax is theft. It is immoral. How can he call himself an advocate for constitutional government, yet repeatedly call for “closing loopholes” or raising taxes? Moderating your love for liberty with some of the party line makes you…well, just a part of the party line.

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  • http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=hXcDiedWithHitler hXcDiedWithHitler

    If you literally gave ALL of Johnson’s votes to Mitt Romney, he still wouldn’t of won. So pretty much, you’re an idiot.

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