Ron Paul Calls on United Nations to Confiscate RonPaul.com

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Update: The dispute was peacefully resolved on May 22, 2013. WIPO ruled that RonPaul.com shall remain with its current owners. The fight for liberty continues.

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  1. Peter

    Ron Paul is acting horribly. He needs to pay up or let you keep this site.

    »crosslinked«

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    1. Andy

      He doesnt want the site. Just the domain name. Its his. It would literally take a couple of hours for the owners of this site to change to a slightly different domain name. The site will still exist and look/function exactly as it does now, there would just be a different name in the address bar.

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      1. pitbrand

        A domain name belongs to the person who registered it and pays for it to maintain the registry. It doesn’t just belong to someone because it is their name, even if they trademark their name, and even if they are super popular.

        I have been a Paul supporter, and contributed to the campaign a number of times. I’m willing to bet that this site helped contribute to many that did contribute as well. So to ask for some compensation for the domain name seems reasonable.

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      2. Steve

        Hours? I’ve seen domains propagate in under 30 minutes these days. This isn’t the 90’s, DNS propagation is lightening fast compared to back in the day. Buy a domain name, update the name server and they’d can be up and running on a new domain in under an hour.

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    2. Steve

      Of course it’s ultimately in the courts hand. While I’ve never been in an UDRP arbitration before, but the concept of arbitration is to prevent having to spend THOUSANDS of dollars going to court, dragging on for months and month.

      The setup is simple. As they registered the domain, they agreed to fall under ICAAN and UDRP policy of arbitration if a dispute arises. The third party arbitrator (WIPO) will sit down with both parties and review both parties evidence as to why they should either gain or maintain control of the RonPaul.com domain name.

      One party (Ron Paul) will have his lifetime being Ron Paul. His 30 year career in public office, his books, his official merchandise and last but certainly not least, a legal document showing that he had registered his name Ron Paul, as a trademark and brand of his.

      VS

      The other party, will say they admired Ron Paul’s run in 2007, bought the domain and have been selling unauthorized merchandise on the website, using images of Ron Paul without authorization. But they did spend 5 years and 10,000 man hours on the website, a website that they will still own… just not on RonPaul.com

      IF they can’t settle like men, then they have to go to court.

      But look at their static for abritration:

      http://archive.icann.org/en/udrp/proceedings-stat.htm

      It’s clear that many, if not most, of the cases they hear are rejected as many tom dick and harry’s try to gain domain names back but can’t. However; Ron Paul has a very good chance of success as many who submit request probably never even heard of a trademark before.

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  2. AdamGmoney

    The UN increasingly wants to influence our domestic environmental, trade, labor, tax, and gun laws. Its global planners fully intend to expand the UN into a true world government, complete with taxes, courts, and a standing army. This is not an alarmist statement; these facts are readily promoted on the UN’s own website. UN planners do not care about national sovereignty; in fact they are actively hostile to it. They correctly view it as an obstacle to their plans. They simply aren’t interested in our Constitution and republican form of government.

    The choice is very clear: we either follow the Constitution or submit to UN global governance. American national sovereignty cannot survive if we allow our domestic laws to be crafted by an international body. This needs to be stated publicly more often. If we continue down the UN path, America as we know it will cease to exist.

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    1. Steve

      The UDRP is followed by all registrars of the following generic top-level domain (gTLD) names: .aero, .asia, .biz., .cat, .com, .coop, .info, .jobs, .mobi, .museum, .name, .net, .org, .pro, .tel, .travel and .xxx. The UDRP has been adopted by all accredited gTLD domain-name registrars. Thus the UDRP is incorporated into every gTLD domain name Registration Agreement, which is the agreement between the accredited registrar and the registrant, providing for registration of a domain name.

      Merely by owning and registering a domain name, you’ve already associated yourself with ICANN, UDRP and the UN. So whatever you think Ron Paul is guilty of, so are you.

      UDRP is the only arbitrary service for domain disputes. Would you rather he took it straight to court rather than doing it the way it’s suppose to be done, through UDRP arbitration?

      Trademark. Ron Paul owns it. RonPaul.com does not. Ron Paul is the legal owner of RonPaul.com

      Doesn’t matter if there’s any association with the UN or not.

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      1. AdamGmoney

        Hmmm….

        So, the ultimate authority that will decide this is a U.S. court, no?

        Why do you say, “…so are you.”? I don’t own a domain name.

        If I had an issue with Property, I would take to Court in my country, America.
        I still can’t understand what the UN is doing involved at all in Property Rights arbitration.
        I understand it is over domain names. Also, what authority do they have to force one party to turn over property to another?

        Sorry, I’m not very computer savvy, please enlighten me, without subjecting me to Globalist propaganda.

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        1. Steve

          You don’t have a choice!

          Everyone, whether you buy your domain on a computer in the good o’l country state of Tennessee or in Usbekistan, if you purchase a .COM, you agree to the terms and conditions of ICANN and subsequently, UDRP. You don’t have a choice, they are the arbitration body for this type of ownership disputes.

          So if the fact that these are international groups (because .COM and the internet has no ONE country affiliation) and may have loose association with the UN, we’re all evil anti-capitalist?

          The owners of RonPaul.com agreed to the terms of ICANN and UDRP, which partially state that you are not knowingly infringing on copyrights. They were infringing on Ron Paul’s copyrights, as he holds the trademark of his name. They were lucky to have a solid 5 years to profit from his name and that Ron Paul isn’t suing them for at least ROYALTY for profiting from his name.

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          1. AdamGmoney

            Question:

            Who died & put ICANN in charge of the internet?

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        2. Steve

          And the authority is domestic and international trademark laws. He had his name trademarked, they bought a domain that carries his trademark and profited from it. By law, Ron Paul is in the right to not only take back the domain but sue for damages, since they didn’t pay a royalty for profiting of his name and trademark.

          They’re better to just give back the domain, or instead of requesting $250k from the good doctor, they may owe him in damages for that amount.

          They were able to get 5 years worth of profit from this site. I see AdChoice adverts, t shirt sales, even making a commission off of his book, etc

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          1. AdamGmoney

            Ahh Hah!

            So, the Authority, as I was asking, IS Domestic Courts.

            We CONSTITUTIONAL Conservatives, in America, don’t abide “international law”. In case you are new to the Ron Paul thing.

            I think your argument, is one that will have to be saved for a Judge, in a US Courtroom

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    2. AdamGmoney

      Funny whoever thumbs downed this comment, thumbs downed a direct quote from the good Doctor himself.

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  3. Bryce Steinhoff

    I think there’s more to this than the authors here on RonPaul.com want to let on.

    On the one hand, I don’t think it follows very well with free market perspective to try to “forcefully” take the domain from the current owners. It was peacefully acquired by them and they seem to be the rightful owners of that property. After all, they didn’t steal it from RP and he, presumably, had an equal chance of securing it and didn’t.

    However, from what I’m reading when you register a domain, in accordance with ICANN policies, you warrant that you’re not infringing on the rights of a third party and also agree to arbitration if a third party submits a claim. This arbitration process is outlined in what’s called the Uniform Domain-Name Dispute-Resolution Policy, or UDRP, and includes certain criteria such as trademark infringement and “bad faith”, both of which RP seems to be focusing on in his UDRP complaint. The WIPO, a UN agency, is one of several organizations authorized by ICANN to offer this arbitration service for a fee. The UN itself doesn’t have any authority over the matter – RP knows this and that’s not part of the issue.

    I’m also told by a friend who I trust that the actual owners of the domain are outside the US – I’m not 100% positive if this is true or not, but if it is it makes more sense why RP’s lawyers opted to use the UN-connected arbitration service and not one of their other options.

    So, on one hand I can see the argument that he’s trying to circumvent private property rights. On the other, though, it doesn’t seem like any of this is government-connected (yet, at least), but is founded on the voluntary agreement to arbitration the domain owners signed.

    I’m sure more details will come to light and make this much easier to interpret.

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    1. AdamGmoney

      Thank you for helping to begin to clear this issue up.
      I hope that no Ron Paul supporter likes the UN.

      If the WIPO is truly operating under it’s own authority & not under UN coordination, and Dr.Paul has no other venue of recourse because the domain owners are not America &/or there are no U.S. propery rights laws that cover the internet in this regard, then I guess his decision to go through a World Body is somewhat more acceptable.

      Still, if Dr.Paul has a case, it SHOULD be resolved in a U.S. court, if possible.
      Helping to create the legitimacy of a World Government is not worth it, even if it seems harmless.

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    2. Steve

      It appears you are correct
      ———————–
      Domain ronpaul.com:
      Whois Privacy Services Pty Ltd
      Domain Hostmaster, Customer ID : 95459852061642
      Email: @whoisprivacyservices.com.au
      PO Box 923
      Fortitude Valley QLD 4006 AU

      Administrative contact:
      Technical contact:
      Billing contact:
      Whois Privacy Services Pty Ltd
      Domain Hostmaster, Customer ID : 95459852061642
      Email: @whoisprivacyservices.com.au
      PO Box 923
      Fortitude Valley QLD 4006 AU
      Phone: Phone: +61.730070090
      Fax: Phone: +61.730070091

      Record dates:
      Record created on: 2000-11-22 18:05:56 UTC
      Record modified on: 2013-02-08 18:21:09 UTC
      Record expires on: 2020-11-22 UTC

      Nameservers:
      myns1.fabulous.com
      myns2.fabulous.com
      ————————————–

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      1. Steve

        And their domain registrar is Fabulous located in Australia.

        ————–

        Office Address:
        Fabulous.com Pty Ltd
        Level 1, 91 Bridge Street
        Fortitude Valley QLD 4006
        Postal Address:
        PO Box 757
        Fortitude Valley QLD 4006
        Australia
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    3. Kevin McNamara

      your comment on this is by far one of the most measured that has been presented so far. however, i would dispute that the owners of this domain voluntarily signed up for an arbitration process anymore than any citizen in any nation state ever has voluntarily consented to taxation by simply being resident.

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  4. Rich

    I recently saw on a video that Ron had stated that he will have to use something else other than Ron Paul.com, because that site was already in use. This doesn’t sound like Ron Paul!!! To use the UN the people at Ron Paul.com have been government hijacked don’t fall for this BS!!!

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  5. FreedomsReigning

    “Earlier today, Ron Paul filed an international UDRP complaint against RonPaul.com and RonPaul.org with WIPO, a global governing body that is an agency of the United Nations. The complaint calls on the agency to expropriate the two domain names from his supporters without compensation and hand them over to Ron Paul.”

    He didn’t seem to care when there was no value associated with RonPaul.com. We could use this to teach people about Ron Paul’s covetous nature and where value comes from; productive human labor.

    If it wasn’t for your hard work, there would be nothing for Ron Paul to try and steal, and I find it very interesting that Ron Paul petitions the UN for what he thinks is justice.

    Some of you may have heard Ron Paul mention what the purpose of government is, which is to defend liberty, and that’s what justice is, defending liberty with force. Ultimately justice needs to be backed up by collective force, because people gang up on each other, and collective force will be used to take peoples liberty. That’s where “government” comes from and why we create it to begin with, to meet injustice with collective force, and Ron Paul seems to want the UN to do his plundering for him.

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    1. Braden

      Ron Paul doesn’t want the site (and his hard work), as you allege, he wants the domain, which is legally and logically his intellectual property. The owner could simply purchase ronpaulfansite.com or something similar, and set the nameservers to point to this same site host, and it’d essentially be the exact same site.

      Ron Paul isn’t stealing anything from anyone. He’s simply contending that after several attempts to purchase the domain, he has a legal case that the owner was attempting to sell the domain for much more than its market value, and that they don’t have a case for ownership since Dr. Paul has a legal basis for the intellectual property ownership.

      This is far from wanting to steal this website, which isn’t much more than a glorified blog and shop.

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      1. AdamGmoney

        That seems like a reasonable solution. If Ron Paul were to pay the cost of the domain name ‘ronpaulfansite.com’, plus maybe a little something for helping the campaign all those years, that sounds fair to me.

        These guys, Ron Paul, the website guys, are all helping each other, as well as us. It’d be a shame to see them destroy it over everyone’s greed.

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        1. Steve

          So do you want him to write them a check or just give them cash for that $7.25 for the new domain name?

          Or how about they use the profit from their unauthorized merchandise and advertisement revenue that they’ve sold over the past 5 years.

          I once had a personal site that I started to get a lot of unique hits from google. Made an easy $600 a month using Google Adsense. If they truly have 170,000 email subscribers, and as much traffic as they bring in, I bet they’re making a hell of a lot more than $600 a month, especially with how much us “PaulBots” spend on anything that has the good Doctors name on it. OEM or not.

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          1. AdamGmoney

            You’re not really a free market person are you?

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      2. Carlc2210

        The property being lost by the current owners is the brand. That is why financial compensation is due. All the work they have put into this site will be lost or greatly diminished upon relinquishing the name and they will be forced to start over just because the RP organization thinks they should not have to compenstate the owners for it. Not very free market of them imho.

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  6. Braden

    From what I can tell from the official documents provided on the website, the owners of the domain wanted to sell him the website for $848,000 and then later offered to sell it to him for $250,000.

    Your sensationalist title and attempt to defame the honorable Ron Paul are reprehensible.

    You are misleading Dr. Paul’s followers. The WIPO has worked with ICANN since its creation in resolving intellectual property disputes. Obviously, none of us like the U.N. but the process is what it is. If he can prove that he does have ownership of his own name as intellectual property, and that you are currently holding the name in an attempt to profit off of the sale (domain squatting), which I think the documentation proves is clearly in his favor (he owns the trademark to his own name) then chances are you’ll lose the site and your reputation.

    If you really are on the moral high ground, which your article attempts to portray (Dr. Paul is evil and will use the UN to tear down grassroots websites! We offered to give the site to him for free, we poured our heart and soul into it, our labor of love will be crushed by post-congressman Dr. Paul!) then why did you demand so much money for the domain, when he first contacted you regarding a purchase of the domain? Really? $848,000? Followed up by a GENEROUS $250,000 offer??

    Give me a break.

    I’m excited that Dr. Paul is now out of office, and is interested in expanding the message of liberty via the internet. We still don’t know what his venture will be, but he has voiced an interest in an online show, either radio or video, and if he wants to broadcast it from ronpaul.com, which he can legally contend is his intellectual property, why would you attempt to fight that? Are you really the grassroots loving supporters you claim to be, or are you just here to make a buck?

    In Liberty,
    Braden

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    1. AdamGmoney

      Glad someone trying to explain the UN thing. I have no clue what the ICANN is, what it’s significance to the Sovereign Authority of U.S. Civil Courts is, i.e., what authority / jurisdiction does the ICANN or WIPO, officially have in the United States?

      I agree it is a sensationalist title, but then again this site has certainly proven to be loyal to the core to Dr.Paul & more importantly the ideals he stands for.

      Btw, I am in no way associated with this site I’m just a fan. I don’t feel Dr.Paul is being wronged, nor is he evil in any way for pursuing this, though.
      For those saying the individuals who worked on & created ths site shouldn’t profit from it… Why do you think Dr.Paul’s camp wants the site? To make money. And there’s nothing wrong with that.
      Just the UN thing.

      Plus, the RP 2012 Campaign was apparently asked if they wanted to own RonPaul.com/.org back during the campaign & they said no, or didn’t respond.

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      1. Braden

        I think what you’re misunderstand is, that the process of contesting domain ownership (because the internet is global, and not limited to one country) has from its onset been handled by this organization. It just happens to be a branch of the UN, but there isn’t any other way. The next option is to file a lawsuit within the US to overrule any ruling made by a UDRP proceeding.

        To educate yourself, look read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Domain-Name_Dispute-Resolution_Policy

        Basically, ICANN handles domain name registration (.com’s, like ronpaul.com) while the WIPO (a UN branch) handles resolving intellectual property disputes. Not sure why this is, it’s just how it is, and probably it’s this way because it’s considered a “global” organization, and therefore is a decent moderator in resolving these disputes.

        Hope that helps clear things up.

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        1. AdamGmoney

          Yes it kind of does… I think.
          Maybe I just don’t like Global authority but…

          Still not a good situation.
          Personally, if I were Ron Paul, as anti-UN as he is (I am), I would just file the suit in US court if I really wanted to protest this.
          I would not contribute to UN legitimacy, no matter how seemingly inconsequential.
          If there is anyway of legal recourse through U.S. courts, that’s the route I would’ve gone. Even if no recourse thru US, I wouldn’t touch the anything resembling Global government.
          That is still one of the Beauties of the Internet, it is relatively unregulated.
          If I were Ron Paul I would take the loss for Liberty.
          I choose to Err on the side of Freedom.

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    2. Carlc2210

      Another braindead moron. Truly deserving of the label Paulbot. God what has the liberty movement come to. From sellout Rand to Paul supporters aborgating basic tennents of the free market and capitalism.

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  7. angelatc (@AngelaTC)

    When you find a lawyer, please tell them that I will testify, under oath, that I personally informed the campaign, multiple times, via telephone and email, that the domain was available at auction. They had absolutely no interest in the domain at the time. The C4L isn’t competent – the RonPaul.org was turned over to the open market with no explanation what so ever.

    The more I get to know Ron Paul, the less I like him. I hope you win. I wish I had money to help you fight.

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  8. Nate

    You idiots should be ashamed of yourselves treating the good Dr Paul this way. It is HIS NAME and you are doing nothing but hijacking it for monetary gain and using his name for the same reason. You should be ashamed of yourselves and i hope you LOSE your case and are counter sued for millions for the misuse of the mans name. You are despicable traitors!!

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    1. AdamGmoney

      I understand the Property Rights argument, & if Dr.Paul can prove his case in court, excellent for him.

      The thing that bothers m mostlye is the using the U.N.
      Isn’t that promoting the authority of the U.N. & World Government?

      Just please don’t charge $ to post & comment on this site if you do win, Dr.Paul.
      Some here knocking the current owners of this Domain name for profitting from it, may be the first to defend profitting from charging for it’s use, under new management, i fear.
      Afterall free speech is also one of the most important ideals to the freedom movement, & we have Free free speech at this venue currently.

      Based upon letter from Doug Wead asking some to join his Pyramid money schemes & C4L & others pandering for cash with little visible return, along with actions from Paul insiders like Jesse Benton & John Tate sabotaging the campaign, I truly wonder whether someone advising Dr.Paul is just out for money or what.

      Either outcome or whatever, the FREEDOM MOVEMENT cannot be divided!
      We MUST NOT be divided!
      It is behind the IDEALS & PRINCIPLES of freedom that we must be UNITED!!!
      NOT under just One Man!
      – THAT is Dr.Paul’s message!!!!

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  9. AdamGmoney

    The principles Dr.Paul ran on, the things he stood for, are what his SUPPORTERS stand for, & THAT is the reason for Dr.Paul’s success.
    This site is FOR his supporters, by his supporters, not for him by him.
    Based upon his PRINCIPLES, which are OUR principles!

    Why should the people who: BUILT this site, put the work in, RUN it, & share it’s content w/ Ron Paul (free advertising) & his principles’ supporters for FREE… give their hard earned business away for pennies on the dollar it’s worth?

    Work hard : Make money – & that’s a problem for Libertarians??!
    Since when?!
    What happened to free markets?
    Is Obama right, did the guys who built this site, NOT build it?

    PS – I’m just a Libertarian Constitutional Conservtive Ron Paul supporter who gave hundreds of hard earned lawn mowing dollars to Dr. Paul’s campaign. I put up signs & ordered bumperstickers & put em up on the town greens & road signs in the area. I treavelled across state to RI from CT to his Rally at URI, & from CT to FL for PaulFest. – I am in no way affiliated with this website, other than I like it

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  10. joe

    I know I would be pissed if someone was using my name as their web address.

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    1. Carolyn

      Amen! It’s called the golden rule. Would you be pissed if someone used YOUR name for their web address! I understand Dr. Paul has allowed whoever the owners are to use his name without issue until recently, now that he is OUT OF CONGRESS and needs to have HIS OWN VEHICLE to continue his work and spread his message.
      Seriously, you people need to take ronpaul.org and let THE REAL RON PAUL take back HIS NAME’S .com — he’ll pay for a REASONABLE price.
      Hey here’s a question, how much did you (‘owners’) pay to purchase this domain in the first place? I’d love to know the answer.

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  11. Ant

    I thought you guys were “saving the domains for Ron Paul” so people wouldn’t abuse them? Looks like you are those people.. I bet we have some dirty RNC people behind this.

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  12. Joe

    If you guys continue to do this to Ron Paul your greed will force me to leave this website forever.

    take me off your email list.

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    1. Jim

      What are you talking about greed? These people have worked their arse off for Paul and have built up a very successful site. If anything Paul is being greedy by trying to take this site for nothing from those who originally purchased it and it just adds insult to injury that these people have done him a great service over the years. It’s an absolute disgrace.

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      1. Lysander

        I don’t think he wants the website or emails, just the domain name. The present owners of this site can keep their email list and content and just come up with a different domain name (I would suggest RonPaulMerchandise.com or RonPaulNews.com as more honest and appropriate) and notify their members. Ron Paul apparently offered $50,000 just for a domain name (that happens to be HIS name), which I think is a very generous offer. The “captains of industry” who created this website have and can continue to profit off Ron Paul’s name by peddling paraphernalia with his name and image on them. They can cash in for an addional $50,000 off Ron Paul himself just for selling him a domain that obviously should be his since the present owners have his image all over this website. Ron Paul himself made the name Ron Paul well known and valuable, not this stupid website.

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  13. AdamGmoney

    I think the main issue here is the hypocracy of trying to use the U.N., & thereby promoting U.N. authority, as well as undermining private enterprise.

    Does Ron believe he is in the moral right, & is going about this the American, Constitutional, Free Market way? Honestly, I don’t know? I think this warrants some free market, constitutional explaination.

    Dr. Paul, sir, honesly, with all due respect… WTF is goin on lately?
    Are you being threatened?
    Was this whole campaign/movement supposed to be part of the ‘control’ & the ‘hope’?

    It sure seems like the Freedom Movement, The ‘Paul’ sites, & other venues are being infiltrated (or have been infiltrated) & forces are now weaseling from within working to destroy the movement, from the inside.

    Inconsistancy in the Idealogy!!!!! We DO Understand!!!

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    1. AdamGmoney

      Thumbs down but no response?
      Where is the intellectual debate?
      Is this Huffington Post comment board?

      What’s with the Cult of Personality?

      This is about America, & Principles & Ideals consistant with freedom & individualism, not one human being.

      I just really want an explaination on the UN thing…….

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      1. AdamGmoney

        4 cowards can press a button but don’t have the intellectual or testicular fortitude to provide a written response…

        Could it be you have no explanation why Dr. Paul would suddenly embrace the ‘authority’ of the United Nations?

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        1. GallopingLibertarian

          I’ll step up and educate you since you are in the dark on this issue.
          When ronpaul.com was purchased it came under law governed by ICANN. There is no way avoiding this FACT even if one was in ignorance of the law at the time of the domain purchase.

          Read the complaint. Tim Martin is seeking undue enrichment, clearly, from the use of Ron Paul’s name. It really is that simple.

          When you register a domain, in accordance with ICANN policies, you warrant that you’re not infringing on the rights of a third party and also agree to arbitration if a third party submits a claim. This arbitration process is outlined in what’s called the Uniform Domain-Name Dispute-Resolution Policy, or UDRP, and includes certain criteria such as trademark infringement and “bad faith”, both of which RP seems to be focusing on in his UDRP complaint. The WIPO, a UN agency, is one of several organizations authorized by ICANN to offer this arbitration service for a fee.

          Ron Paul is the owner of RON PAUL U.S. trademark. Ron Paul has acquired rights in the mark by virtue of it’s use within the United States, including a large volume of sales of Dr. Paul’s books. The RON PAUL mark has achieved a secondary meaning associated with Ron Paul sufficient to establish common law trademark rights. RON PAUL has long been associated with Dr. Paul’s books, articles, public appearances, and political commentary.”

          On the 7th page of Ron Paul’s complaint. The fun part begins on the 7th page:

          http://www.ronpaul.com/images/Complaint.pdf

          Obvious future result is obvious…

          If you are claiming to have bought the domain only to keep the “enemy” from buying it, and then turn around and try to squeeze $250,000.00 (down from $840,000) from Ron Paul for it you get what you deserve…

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          1. AdamGmoney

            Let me educate you, who is clearly missing the point about condoning the expantion of UN authority. I don’t care who supposedly governs it. That (Globalism), is what we’re protesting here as Ron Paul supporters, libertarians, & CONSTITUTIONAL conservatives.
            If you oppose the UN slowly creeping into authority & undermining national sovereignty, as Ron Paul & myself do, why would you ever use the UN as a tool for your profit? Does he not realize he is indirectly (or directly) promoting the authority of an
            International Governing Body?
            Since he is so anti-UN/Globalism, & pro-property rights, for settling these types of issues, as he campaigned on, why would he not just take it to court in the US?
            It is hypocritical at best.
            In case you did not know, despite what may seem like legal authority behind pages & pages of legal mumbo-jumbo, ICANN does not have the final say in this issue. A US Civil court will, that is a fact.
            Why would Ron & his people pay $250,000 if they have a shot at getting it through WIPO arbitration for a WIPO fee of $3000?

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          2. Nonpaul supporter

            I thought Ronnie was all about individual freedom? I guess he meant HIS individual freedom not anyone else’s?

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      2. Carlc2210

        Adam – I really think the RP “Cult of Personality” is asserting its self. You are exactly correct as what the issue here is (Demanding property you don’t rightfully own and invoking UN “sanctions when you don’t get it). If Ron Paul is behind this then he is truely showing what a hypocrite he is. If it is being inititated by some one on his behalf then he needs to be more closely involved with his organization, something which he has been lax in in the past.

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  14. bill

    I am a huge admirer and supporter of Ron Paul. But I don’t think he’s in the right here. For example, what if other people named “Ron Paul” also approached you, the owners of this domain name, and also fought for ownership?

    My own name may be mine, it may be limited, but other people have the same name.

    Anyone here who has read Defending the Undefendable also might just conclude that charging Ron Paul for these domains is not unethical. I don’t know.

    I know it’s not the end of the world if he doesn’t gain ownership, and it would be sad to see the current property destroyed. I do see both sides here, but in the end, I would not side with Ron Paul in this case.

    I’ll say this: I’m very happy it’s not me who decides the outcome.

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    1. Chase

      The content of this website is very much distinguishable to one person. Not just anyone can claim this site because they are “Ron Paul”. But, Ron Paul does have a right to try and claim this site. Businesses battle this constantly. If Sprint.com expired and I registered it before they did. They would be able to get it back from me in court hands down. It is not a crime, but they would still get it back. This is a little different because its a name and was registered initially by someone else. I am not sure if he can claim it. The thing is Ron Paul may be able to get ronpaul.com for himself, but he has no right to the content of this site in my opinion. So at the least they lose the domain. They can move the content elsewhere and be done. The sucky part is all the broken links that will be a result!! And this domain has built up value.

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  15. Z

    This is a very strange dispute. I’m not really sure what to make of all this. What do the Libertarian theorists and scholars say about this dispute? What does the libertarian political philosophy say about this?

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  16. Matt S

    Sell it to Ron for a fair price. Stop being a thorn in the side to someone you claim you support.

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    1. Carlc2210

      And what to you is a fair price? $1.00

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    2. Jim

      Why isn’t 250k a fair price? This site has millions of hits per month, probably generates a lot in advertising, has accrued a massive email list of supporters and has involved a lot of hard work from the owners.

      Ron Paul should have some philosophical consistency and pay the free market going rate, it’s not his domain it’s owned by those that purchased it.

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    3. Nonpaul supporter

      The contact list alone is worth $250k. If he doesn’t pay them, they should sell the list to someone else. Damn him.

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  17. Anonymous

    Overall, I think the domain owners have the right to keep the domain.

    At the same time, there’s no way they’re real Ron Paul supporters if they wouldn’t give the man himself a simple domain name.

    I mean really? It’s obvious you’re making money off of this site; being the most common name (I want Ron Paul, let’s try RonPaul.com!), you clearly get traffic just because of the domain. Judging by how hard you’re holding onto this domain; I’d say it’s the ONLY thing that brings people to your site. IF the quality was what was bringing people in, then changing the domain wouldn’t hurt you at all. But it’s not. You get visitors just because of the name.

    Bottom line; the domain owners don’t want to give up the income associated with the domain. Technically, they shouldn’t have to; but if you have any bit of decency and respect for all Dr. Paul did for 30 years, it’d be nice to give him his own name for a domain name.

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    1. AdamGmoney

      Why? The principles Dr.Paul ran on, the things he stood for, are what his SUPPORTERS stand for, & THAT is the reason for Dr.Paul’s success.
      This site is FOR his supporters, not for him.
      Based upon his PRINCIPLES, which are OUR principles!

      Why should the people who: BUILT this site, put the work in, RUN it, & share it’s content w/ Ron Paul (free advertising) & his principles’ supporters for FREE… give their hard earned business away?

      Work hard : Make money – & that’s a problem for Libertarians??!
      Since when?!
      What happened to free markets?
      Is Obama right, did the guys who built this site, NOT build it?

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    2. Edward

      The current owners are doing a great job of managing the domain…if you want Jesse Benton and the rest of the incompetent Paul staff running the site then it can be handed over to Ron Paul

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    3. Carlc2210

      Yeah something like RonPaul.org

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  18. Andrew

    Just please give the domain name to Ron Paul for free or for what you pay every year to keep it up. It is ridiculous YOU want to cause so much grief with this. He needs this domain to keep the message of liberty going. Just stop it!

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    1. Chase

      i don’t believe you get it.

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    2. Nonpaul supporter

      He needs to keep the message of liberty while not practicing it? Now that’s funny.

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  19. JeffersonLives

    Stop yanking Ron around and sell the domain to him for a fair price, what do you pay for it a year? About 12 bucks or so….come on Let the man have his platform to speak from. This is stupid and childish… I heard you want close to a million for the domain…. that’s a pretty dick move to try and extort Ron Paul for money. Bottom line…give him the domain.

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    1. AdamGmoney

      Isn’t this OUR platform? Isn’t his about FREEDOM?

      The Daily Paul charges $5 per Month for membership, or more…

      This is free to post, to communicate.

      RonPaul.com , the FANSITE, the way it has been, is what Ron Paul 2012 was all about, it’s what the rEVOLution was all about!

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      1. AdamGmoney

        “our” meaning the grass roots, supporters

        I am in no way associated with this website, though a fan

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      2. Krister

        Bullshit. You do not need to be a paying member to have an account on The Daily Paul.

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  20. Steve Holmes

    I would like to know if RonPaul.com ask Ron Paul to use his name for their web site?

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    1. AdamGmoney

      Free speech, right?

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      1. Nate B

        Not when it comes to your name. It has been decided in courts that with domain names, your name is protect from use without consent.

        RonPaul.com is going to lose this fight, and rightfully so. If you were smart, you would offer it to him at a very reasonable price, avoid court and the associated fees, and have it taken from you.

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        1. AdamGmoney

          Ok. Fine. Good explaination, i have no problem at all with PROPERTY RIGHTS.

          But why the UN?

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          1. AdamGmoney

            We have pro-UN people on RonPaul.com ????

            I smell Troll

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  21. Robert

    After 30 years of having to fight the tyranny in Washington, and delivering the message of liberty & freedom to all of us. I say the least we can do to return the favor is to give the man his own domain ronpaul.com.

    He’s caused the liberty message to finally get into the mainstream audience, and are you domain owners really going to halt the progress of the liberty movement by not allowing Dr. Paul to have ronpaul.com?

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    1. Carlc2210

      His (Ron Paul) actions in this matter abrogate the meaning of the message he has been championing all these years. I personnally think old age is begining to effect his judgement. What is really upsetting is that all you posting here that say he should just get this domain name for nothing don’t see the hypocracy of that demand. To say that Ron Paul himself, as well as the Liberty Movement, has not benefited from the existance of this site is delusional at best. The owners of this site have spent many hours organizing and maintaining it. If there is a lucrative revenue stream from that then they should be able to benefit from it since their time and labor created it. Or would those principals be to capitalistic and libertarian for you.

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  22. Chris Cantwell

    This is disgraceful. I am profoundly regretting caving on my anarchist principles to support him during the presidential race. Statists gonna State.

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  23. George

    One word: Newsletters
    While you have best intentions now, and you may have carried his message quite well.. he still needs to think about how the Newsletters with his name on them even when he swears he wasn’t the author of articles published still hurt his chances and were used to beat him over the head at every turn.
    You own the equivalent to the digital newsletter stationary.
    Keep that in mind when you think about his position.

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  24. Kyle Wilson

    I say give the guy the damn website, or stop pretending you’re doing this all for him.

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    1. Edward

      What about the corrent owners’ property rights? Ron Paul shouldn’t be using anything other than the free market he adores so much to acquire this domain.

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  25. Jake

    I don’t think the current owners of ronpaul.com have an unfair point. When it comes to Ron Paul related events and news, this site has been better than any of the sites that claim to provide information on Ron Paul and the liberty movement.

    No one should gain ownership of a domain simply because it shares the name of a specific individual; even if it is Ron Paul.

    Ronpaul.com’s offer is perfectly valid, and it is shameful of Ron Paul’s staff to use turn their fanbase against the current owners of ronpaul.com to get it for free.

    Don’t we like competition as libertarians? Let ronpaul.com stand and ronpaul.org compete against each other so both will have an incentive to increase quality.

    Don’t let your loyalty to Ron Paul blind you and end up making you exactly what the liberty movement fights against.

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  26. Dave

    Your refusal to give Ron his name is absurd.

    You state you will post previous positive comments from Ron Paul’s staffers in future. So what? Those past comments have nothing to do whatsoever with this issue.

    You mention the many many hours you’ve toiled on this site. Why do you imply that past work is a valid reason to ask Ron for money today? Any clear-thinking individual knows there was never any such agreement. The money you made (or lost) over the years working on this site is utterly immaterial to this dispute.

    Others have commented that Ron is not threatening your site. Absolutely correct. You can continue to host it on a different domain. You continue to own your email list. You might have had a bit of dropoff in traffic when changing over to a different domain name, but I will bet that you’ll have a much larger drop off by behaving in this manner.

    OK, you’ve put a lot of blood sweat and tears into this thing for years. Why on earth do you think that it’s ok to shake Ron (or his donors, indirectly) down to gain control of his name.

    It’s preposterous. Shame on you.

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    1. Carlc2210

      You are one sad and profoundly confused individual. You have no concept of captialism or libertarianism. Which is why people of you ilk have so woefully diluted the libery movement.

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  27. Ed

    Stop wasting our time. We want to hear what Ron Paul has to say. He has important work to do. Give him ronpaul.com

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    1. Carlc2210

      hypocrite

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  28. Rly?

    So much for supporting free market model.

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  29. Jon

    Ron Paul just wants the domain name, not your website. There is a difference. You are NOT Ron Paul so the name of your website should not matter that much. For those of us who have followed this from the beginning, we know he asked politely for you to give up the domain name so that he could rightfully own it.
    It makes sense because HE IS RON PAUL. You are not. He can more easily promote his message with a simple and easy to find domain name which he should have owned in the first place.

    You have profited enough from his name and after this you don’t deserve the business. You are in the wrong here and you know it. While you may have the right to own the domain name you are still over stepping morality by keeping it for yourself.

    Just like the GOP you have alienated your supporters for profit. Good luck re-cooping your losses.

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    1. Grant

      Huge fan of Paul here. But going to be honest nobody can own a name. If ronpaul.com was misrepresenting him that would be something but I don’t think so. This is a fan site. I think offering RonPaul.org for free is a very nice gesture. It’s not like org isn’t used regularly. Wikipedia.org for example. So while I usually agree with Ron Paul, I don’t agree here. Though I understand wanting to have your name. I had to preregister my name and usernames etc. I don’t have the UN to depend on to get stuff.

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      1. Steve

        Actually, you absolutely can own a name. It’s called a trademark, a brand. And Ron Paul is a brand. It’s his brand.

        Adam, you think you’ve put blood sweat and tears developing RonPaul.com over the past 5 years, imagine the blood swear and tears of developing Ron Paul and his fight for liberty, and to make that name synonymous to LIBERTY over the past 30 years!

        It’s his name. Give it back to him.

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      2. Carlc2210

        Yeah and .org sounds more official and a lot less commercial (as in .com)

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    2. AdamGmoney

      THAT….. is a reasonable argument.

      The thing that is bugging me though is, why the UN?!

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      1. Carlc2210

        Adam – what really saddens me is the number of irrational, emotional posters here. I can not help but be disillusioned with the people who seem to be make up the bulk of RP supporters currently. It truely seems a cult of personality now (as I stated in a previous post). I have a hard time accepting that Ron Paul, the man, is endorsing this, it truly is disheartening.

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    3. Jeff Anderson

      Yes, there is a difference. That doesn’t take away from the fact that this will significantly harm the business they have spent several years building. As they stated, all the links scattered across the internet that point to anything on ronpaul.com will be broken if the name is forcibly transferred, and they have to adopt a new name for their site.
      Is the offer to hand over ronpaul.org without charge not a fair offer? Is the confiscation of property with real market value not theft? Does Dr. Paul truly believe in the free market? Will he now leverage the political means and greatly harm a free market operation?
      I arrived here from a link provided by Lew Rockwell on his blog. I am surprised, and disappointed at the shallowness of his support for this attempted theft. I expected better from Ron and Lew. This is the rightful property of the person who first used it. That is not Ron Paul. His personal name does not include a .com

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  30. Derp

    Property rights… Do you really blame him for demanding control of his name?

    Ron Paul is the owner of RON PAUL U.S. trademark. Ron Paul has acquired rights in the mark by virtue of it’s use within the United States, including a large volume of sales of Dr. Paul’s books. The RON PAUL mark has achieved a secondary meaning associated with Ron Paul sufficient to establish common law trademark rights. RON PAUL has long been associated with Dr. Paul’s books, articles, public appearances, and political commentary.”

    So… Tim Martin & Team are trying to solicit $250,000 when he already owns the rights.

    Obvious future result is obvious.

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    1. Jeff Anderson

      Ron Paul is his name, whereas ronpaul.com is not. It is not his property simply because it contains his name as a part. They made him a fair offer of ronpaul.org at no charge. They would probably readily hand over most or all of the other domain names they have registered containing ronpaul, as well. The disruption to the availability of information linked to using ronpaul.com is a significant factor that should be considered in this. It goes way beyond the financial loss of the current domain name owners.
      If this were truly the rightful property of Ron Paul, then the culprits are the original registrars of the domain that collected the fees and provided the current owners with the exclusive right to ronpaul.com. Don’t take that as a defense of this attempted theft by Dr. Paul. He and his legal advisors are in the wrong, morally, if not legally.

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      1. Steve

        Actually it is. If it’s true that he owns the trademark RON PAUL, he absolutely has the right to take back RonPaul.com. Do you think that if someone happened to buy Walmart.com before walmart had a chance to get it that they wouldn’t be able to get it back?

        And for those that are complaining about this whole UN thing.

        Uniform Domain Name Dispute Resolution Policy (UDRP) is the standard international (since domains and .com can be purchased from anyone around the globe) means of re-acquiring domain names that business and individuals own trademark to. The fact that they are associated with the UN is a mute point.

        Name me another organization that works to give brand owners back the ownership of the domain associated with their brand.

        As a graphic and web designer, I am familiar with UDRP and had to submit a request with them for a client that needed a website back that they held the trademark rights to. So am I somehow evil for working with a group that is associated with the UN?

        In fact, a quick google search came up with this:

        “The UDRP is followed by ALL REGISTRARS of the following generic top-level domain (gTLD) names: .aero, .asia, .biz., .cat, .COM, .coop, .info, .jobs, .mobi, .museum, .name, .net, .org, .pro, .tel, .travel and .xxx. The UDRP has been adopted by all accredited gTLD domain-name registrars. Thus the UDRP is incorporated into every gTLD domain name Registration Agreement, which is the agreement between the accredited registrar and the registrant, providing for registration of a domain name. ”

        Emphasis added to ALL REGISTRARS and .COM.

        And as far as I can tell, there are no alternatives to using UDRP to recover domains names in disputes such as this. So to push back on the use of UDRP as somehow against free market or against Ron Paul’s character or integrity is a disservice to the man and the legacy he’s given us.

        GIVE THE MAN HIS DOMAIN.

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      2. Steve

        So Adam, how does it feel for, yourself, to be associated with the UN since you agreed to their terms when you registered your domain. According to that quote, which was information that took me 30 SECONDS to find on google, it’s clear that you agreed to the terms set by UDRP.

        Bet you didn’t read that agreement. I know I didn’t when I registered my domain names, and I’ve registered hundreds in my career.

        Trademark Laws + gTLD Service Agreement = Ron Paul will get Ronpaul.com back. I would suggest you immediately plan on changing domain names ASAP and end the madness, give it back to him voluntarily.

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    2. Carlc2210

      Your moniker is appropos DERP

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  31. kevin

    honestly, it is his name, pictures of him and his life. lets not forget that we need to stick together on the real issues – civil liberties. This site just wouldn’t exist without him.

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  32. Daro

    Tim, honestly ask to work for him and co-run the website with him. You are a big reason i started following closer, because i got easy updates. Ask for a partnership.

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  33. Taylor

    You know, it’s funny — you could just relocate your domain elsewhere, update the URL’s and still have everything. You can even keep your mailing list. While it is a free country, it’s a pretty disingenuous response on your part. If you truly supported him, you’d give him the domains for free. If you ran a fan club for something and the owner/creator/artist came and asked for it (and you were truly fans), you’d give it up.

    You guys have already made a ton from ads and merchandise sales, anyway. Makes me wonder if you guys ever even donated that to Ron Paul.

    I’d also be curious to see whether this comment even stays.

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    1. Jeff Anderson

      Not that easy. All the links on all the sites across the internet that link to anything on the existing site would immediately be rendered invalid, and the current owners of this site cannot simply fix links on other people’s sites.

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    2. Carlc2210

      I am surely getting tired of the illogical and emotional tripe being spewed by simpletons like you. If these are the fruits of the libertarian and free market principals that Ron Paul was trying to teach over the last 30 yrs than I would say that his effort has failed.

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  34. Paul

    I feel that the asking price is probably a bit high. I also think that his lawyers are probably decent at best.

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  35. Nate

    Always a staunch supporter, I am becoming increasingly disenchanted with Ron Paul.

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