Ron Paul Calls on United Nations to Confiscate RonPaul.com

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Update: The dispute was peacefully resolved on May 22, 2013. WIPO ruled that RonPaul.com shall remain with its current owners. The fight for liberty continues.

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618 responses to “Ron Paul Calls on United Nations to Confiscate RonPaul.com”

  1. Nakai

    Here are the facts: This site belongs to the people who own it. This is horrible, and has completely changed my opinion of Ron Paul. I havent always agreed with him, but I have always thought he was one of the honest ones, its a shame to have been proven wrong.

    That said, what will this site do if it butts heads with Paul? Will you get a new domain for the libertarian philosophy and redirect your current domains towards it? It will obviously be difficult maintaining your market niche when the guy this site was founded to promote is now your enemy

    Still, anyone who thinks that, after all of the work and money the site has put into it in recent years, it should just be handed over for free because Paul wants to seize it by force is a brainwashed part of his Cult of Personality, not someone genuinely dedicated to the causes he apparently pretended to fight for.

    I am so disappointed in Ron Paul.

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    1. Luke

      What do you mean, “the people who own it”?

      Not trying to be picky about words, but its important to understand that..

      Domain names are not owned, they’re leased, under conditions, and Ron Paul is appealing to those who do the leasing saying that the current lessees are violating those conditions. He’s not sending in the CIA to seize computers.. he’s filing a complaint, in the pre-agreed, appropriate, manner on the basis of trademark infringement.

      If you read his complaint, there is nothing false about what Dr Paul and his lawyers are saying, its very legitimate. Don’t go jumping ship so quickly.

      »crosslinked«

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  2. Andrew DiNanno

    I hope you all feel incredibly stupid for supporting this dangerous crackpot now. Ron Paul has proven that he is no different from any other Republican that is around these days.

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    1. Luke

      Oh god yes… until this happened I thought we should spend only the money we have, leave other countries alone, reduce taxes, invest in domestic issues more and in foreign affairs less. But now, everything has changed.. I do feel a bit stupid.

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  3. josh hollenbeck

    People have filed and printed things in Ron Paul’s name before, stirring up controversery; likle the “Letters” fromt he 80′s. I bet Ron Paul doesnt even know this is going on, this is some how a false flag attack to make paul look bad. This only means that Ron Paul is still threatening the establishment. Ron Paul was the most outspoken person of the UN, so I know in my heart he would never use them as leverage.

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    1. Nakai

      What will your reaction be if this is proven?

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      1. josh hollenbeck

        im content that a man of moral character that has been consistent for 70+ years wouldnt behave like this. I dont take 100% of a story for face value from only hearing one side of an argument we dont have all the facts on.

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        1. josh hollenbeck

          also, if this were a ploy from the establishment to turn his supporters against him, it looks like it worked. It looks like everyone on here is looking to send him to the firing squad after one article of something that may not have all the facts in yet. The main stream media has been trying to make him look bad for a long time now, and it looks like they have everyone here hook line and sinker. break away from the heard mentality people

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          1. Nakai

            You didnt answer the question. Lets say its all true. What will your reaction be?

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  4. Ann Rand

    Ron Paul is a pathetic piece of shit. Countersue this miserable old man for everything he is worth. Take his house and force him to live in Rand Paul’s basement, at least until Rand starves him to death for being a moocher.

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    1. Luke

      Whoa, now THAT would be unprecedented! And, its so crazy, it just might work.

      Yeah man, counter sue him even though he’s not suing you!

      Brilliant.. “Ann Rand”, your dashing intellectual prowess is unparalleled. Now cook us up some chicken fried steaks and lets get this square dance started!

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  5. AdamGmoney

    Maybe I just don’t like Global authority but…

    Not a good situation.

    Personally, if I were Ron Paul, as anti-UN as he is (I am), I would just file the suit in US court if I really wanted to protest this.
    I would not contribute to UN legitimacy, no matter how seemingly inconsequential.
    If there is anyway of legal recourse through U.S. courts, that’s the route I would’ve gone. Even if no recourse thru US, I wouldn’t touch anything resembling Global government.

    That is still one of the Beauties of the Internet, it is relatively unregulated.

    If I were Ron Paul I would take the loss for Liberty.
    I choose to Err on the side of Freedom.

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  6. AdamGmoney

    So everyone remembers Ronpaul2012.com right?

    How much better was THIS site, more informative, more interactive… than the OFFICIAL Ron Paul campaign site? So much better!

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    1. Peter

      Ron Paul is being a huge scumbag with this. He has to know that he is in the wrong by now. Hopefully cooler heads prevail and he either lets these people keep the site or they come to a sales agreement.

      And obviously the people siding with Ron Paul on this are just cult hero worshipping sheep.

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  7. AdamGmoney

    Those here siding against RonPaul.com sound exactly like the democrats & Obama who say “You did Not Build that”.

    So these folks spents thousands of hours & dollars to build, maintain, & improve this site, promote Ron Paul & provide free advertising & fund raising for Ron Paul throughout his campaign through til today…

    And Ron Paul is in the right for wanting to steal it from them? Via an International Governing Body?

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    1. Luke

      Yeah, they did it all for free. I see your point.

      Never mind the loads of money they made by writing his name and slogans all over $3 tshirts and hoodies. Nevermind the ads all over the place and Amazon.com referal links.

      Ron Paul isn’t stealing the source code, none of the improvements go away. He doesn’t want the servers, the mailing lists, the images. He’s not even saying they can’t sell the shirts! He just wants the name… my god… his name….

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  8. tektwo

    I think it is quite disgusting and hypocritical that Ron Paul is doing this, but the worst of it is how people seem to be bigger fans of Ron Paul then of the ideals behind his words. I get that some of you are saying that it is his name and that the owners of this domain would have signed Icann agreement but you all are missing something.

    The owners of this site have owned it for 5 years, paid 25k to purchase it and spent god knows how many hours and money to keep create, maintain and promote the site (not to mention Ron Paul). Regardless of how much money they have made off it it Ron Paul should at the very least be NEGOTIATING!

    So instead of even talking to the owners or giving a counter offer he decides to just try to take it? This goes against the free market, capitalism and everything Ron Paul has claimed to stand for… It is disturbing to see people who are more dedicated to Ron Paul then what you claim are his ideals.

    You don’t believe in something only when it’s convenient to do so. Shame on all you who only care that this could potentially “hurt” Ron Paul.

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    1. Luke

      Actually… this goes right along with the free market.

      He’s appealing to a division of the U.N. — and not in the way you think. He’s actually petitioning for arbitration with an ICANN approved arbitrator, not with a court. ICANN is non-governmental, its a non-profit. The market is what created ICANN after practically destroying the old InterNIC (which was governmental).

      So, domains are a product of the free market, and he’s appealing to the system created by the market. He always says that the “market will correct itself”.. and here it is, on display, market self regulation without governmental oversight. Kinda beautiful.

      Arbitration is NOT a means of “stealing”. Here’s the definition:

      “Arbitration, a form of alternative dispute resolution (ADR), is a technique for the resolution of disputes outside the courts, where the parties to a dispute refer it to one or more persons (the “arbitrators”, “arbiters” or “arbitral tribunal”), by whose decision (the “award”) they agree to be bound.”

      Think of it as… formalized, binding, negotiations..

      No one said the RP.com guys won’t get compensated for their hard work, Dr Paul has only filed a complaint at this point. Dr Paul is not the judge, he’s only the plaintiff. Hold tight, this could go in all sorts of directions.

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  9. The Enlightened

    This is what you morons get for blindly following an openly corrupt, free market moron. Ron Paul was one of the most openly corrupt and selfish people in Congress and anyone could see it, but you people chose to follow him like some wacky religious cult and forgive the millions of times he’s acted contrary to his “libertarian principles.” This is exact what idiots like you deserve.

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  10. Bret Moore

    I might be willing to represent you. Feel free to email me.

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  11. taysic

    Oh come on. It’s the free market. You can’t just decide when someone else’s property is yours because you want it to… and then turn the UN!!! for help. Ron Paul is being whiney.

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  12. JoinOrDie

    Honestly, why would you even consider asking him for money, when you’ve clearly made money and profited off another man’s name? Wouldn’t it have profited everyone in the liberty movement to have the man himself control the site. Just donate it to him FOR the liberty movement. Use your own name, instead of doing things in another man’s good name.
    There, add my email to your $250k mailing list. Come on.

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    1. JoinOrDie

      Ron Paul doesn’t sell his stuff on “zazzle.com.” He has a site for that. Just how much money have you made off of Ron Paul? Clearly it’s valuable to you with a $250k price tag.

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    2. Carlc2210

      JoinOrDie

      You sound just like the type of “Paulbot” that the left so often accused RP supporters of being, which is very sad. So often it was stated by the liberty movement that it was not about the man, it was about the message. Well what kind of message is the Ron Paul camp sending now. Even if RP is not directly involved in this, HE SHOULD BE. This kind of thing (if not directly initiated by RP) smacks of his newletters scandal. Invoking a UN organization to acquire property that he does not rightfully own is outragious. I am shocked that he would take such actions or let anyone representing him take such actions. Also, given that fact that he was offered RonPaul.org for FREE make this even more egregious.

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      1. JoinOrDie

        Take a look at the profit this site makes, then talk. I was reared classical liberal, long before my family knew Ron Paul, personally. Most of his inspiration came from my grandfather’s writings and my uncle, who helped him in 1980. I learned many years ago, that people who use the words “left” or “right”, “conservative” or “liberal” probably don’t know what they’re talking about. The same thing happened to my grandfather and he rightfully stopped people from profiteering from his name. If this site was for Ron Paul’s recent involvement in the century long liberty movement, then it would behoove them to send links to Ron Paul’s merchandise shops, not their own. Either way, Ron Paul will win his case. Any attorney who says otherwise will most likely want an upfront fee or their name in the newspapers. Profiteers usually stick together. Free market capitalism does not promote anarchy, but rule of law.

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    3. AdamGmoney

      Join or Die?

      Is that a libertarian mantra?

      You are a UN agent i bet.

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      1. JoinOrDie

        Funny, but no. It was the first American political cartoon by Benjamin Franklin. An anthem of the Sons of Liberty, and a calling to the states to join against the British.

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        1. Luke

          Bam! Ok, I like you… if that matters at all… you running for office anytime soon?

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  13. EgadsNo

    The market value of 250,000… How did you get that market value, using his name. Been to the site many times over the years but your link misdirects are not his problem- they are yours for piggy backing on his name directly. Maybe you should make redirects for every page you host and explain it to the paul camp to use different addresses their functions. Money to make your headache go away is not the answer.

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  14. Scott K

    I bet this is a case of ill communication. I bet the Paul campaign hired these guys, and they’ve acted on their own assuming that Ron Paul wants your domain.

    For all we know they didn’t even ask Ron. This is probably one of those “pay-us-and-we’ll-do-it-all-for-you” things and maybe they figured they wouldn’t even ask because they “knew” he’d want it.

    Meaningless but kind of interesting to note: on their Wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leclairryan) you’ll see a list of “notable people” and they’re all Democrats. Also interesting and equally meaningless: they’ve got some big banks on their list which would probably love to own and control this site.

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  15. Keith smith

    What Ron Paul is doing is wrong, theft is theft, eminent domain and intellectual property rights is statism.

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    1. Scott K

      I think a lot of people are glossing over the fact that this is an attorney claiming to be acting on behalf of Ron Paul. For all we know, he didn’t ask Ron about any of this.

      I bet what’s happening is that the campaign hired somebody back when all that slandering was running rampant, and now they’re just being a little overzealous.

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  16. Brutus

    This does not bode well that the champion of liberty is trying to use the UN to take property. It makes me sad. Ron Paul was an inspiration. Now this.

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    1. Luke

      Oh I know, the heated debate over the ICANN policies and intellectual property rights has me confused across the board. Maybe we should bomb Iran after all…

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  17. Fernando

    One sime reflection should provide the resolution to this dispute. If your name as a domain was already taken, wouldn’t you just acceptit and find another domain? There are thousands of people that share a name. If the domain was so important to Ron, where was he to register? He failed to make a crucial decision when it was time, and someone with enough brain did it for him. Period.

    I couldnt’t get my name as a domain because it was taken. End of story. To claim that a person’s name is intellectual property is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. Whoever thinks Ron Paul is right in his claim is an idiot.

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  18. Paul

    I support you guys. You were here first; thems the rules.

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    1. Luke

      No well, actually, thems not the rules.

      He went to the WIPO for arbitration, and they’re gonna be looking at thems ICANN rules before making a judgement.

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  19. Mike Robinson

    dude, if Ron Paul wants RonPaul.com, then give it to him. And get your own life. End of story.

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  20. Bryce Steinhoff

    I think there’s more to this than the authors here on RonPaul.com want to let on.

    On the one hand, I don’t think it follows very well with free market perspective to try to “forcefully” take the domain from the current owners. It was peacefully acquired by them and they seem to be the rightful owners of that property. After all, they didn’t steal it from RP and he, presumably, had an equal chance of securing it and didn’t.

    However, from what I’m reading when you register a domain, in accordance with ICANN policies, you warrant that you’re not infringing on the rights of a third party and also agree to arbitration if a third party submits a claim. This arbitration process is outlined in what’s called the Uniform Domain-Name Dispute-Resolution Policy, or UDRP, and includes certain criteria such as trademark infringement and “bad faith”, both of which RP seems to be focusing on in his UDRP complaint. The WIPO, a UN agency, is one of several organizations authorized by ICANN to offer this arbitration service for a fee. The UN itself doesn’t have any authority over the matter – RP knows this and that’s not part of the issue.

    I’m also told by a friend who I trust that the actual owners of the domain are outside the US – I’m not 100% positive if this is true or not, but if it is it makes more sense why RP’s lawyers opted to use the UN-connected arbitration service and not one of their other options.

    So, on one hand I can see the argument that he’s trying to circumvent private property rights. On the other, though, it doesn’t seem like any of this is government-connected (yet, at least), but is founded on the voluntary agreement to arbitration the domain owners signed.

    I’m sure more details will come to light and make this much easier to interpret.

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    1. Luke

      90% of what you said is correct… in fact, every point I’m about to make.. you made yourself. You see this clearly, I think… not sure why you’re on the fence.

      “On the one hand, I don’t think it follows very well with free market perspective to try to “forcefully” take the domain from the current owners”

      * He is using a mechanism produced by the market, not by a government
      * No one “owns” the domain, they lease it, and under conditions.

      “So, on one hand I can see the argument that he’s trying to circumvent private property rights.”

      * Each party’s “rights” are defined in the ICANN terms of use. There is no “circumvention” here, and no need for government intervention. The terms were agreed upon, by the whole internets, more than a decade ago.

      I think he’s doing exactly what is appropriate.

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  21. Bill king

    You bunch of Judases. How can any of you match what Ron Paul has done and given us . To judge him and crucify him because he hasn’t met your expectations of him is shameful ,pettty and and distrutive to the cause. Stop this now and give him the site. I would give my blood if he asked and you can’t even give him his name without 30 pieces of silver.

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    1. Immy

      You just compared Ron Paul to Jesus, and you don’t see a problem with that? I guarantee 100% even he would find an issue with that.
      You’re doing every the big statists do, idol worshipping, and so I’d really hope this was satire. Otherwise, reality check, he’s human not divine and he does make mistakes. Take off the blinders.

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      1. Luke

        Jesus isn’t responding to my letters… so compare away…

        While I am generally on the side of “Bill King” here, I do agree, not a very well articulated point.

        Still, RP is in the right, as far as I am concerned.

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  22. Alexander M. Falconi

    Because of Ron Paul, I decided to get into law. It helped me win my custody case, and more importantly, it has given me a passion I’d never imagined I’d have for helping friends and family with legal matters. I’m taking my LSATs in June and going to law school next year. I’ve had a lot of experience (for a Pro Se) in the justice, district, and supreme court of Nevada. That being said, I read Ron Paul’s Complaint, and more importantly, the mandatory authority his attorneys have cited. The precedent established I find to be sound; and fair. I do not agree that this is similar to ‘real estate’ and I find myself swayed by the discussions published regarding the cited cases. Having considered all of this, I side with Ron Paul. I do not believe you should be allowed to profit off of his name. I understand you were “first” and that “other people sell sites for millions all the time”, but this is no different than the Towing Company I sued previously that tried to justify its unauthorized towing with the argument that “we’ve been doing this for the past ten years”. I think you mean well, and I think you are entitled somewhat to the traffic you’ve built for this address, but I would say that the appraisal done by Fabulous.com is more than appropriate. I would urge you to settle with Paul’s attorneys on this for a fair amount. If you would like to contact me, feel free. I’m a die hard Ron Paul supporter and I understand your frustration though I think it is simply because you don’t understand how law operates and it seems unfair to you.

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  23. baroquon

    Did Ron Paul or his people ever ask for your mailing list? It doesn’t seem so. You guys place such value on some object that the Paul people never asked for. Why don’t you move your site to another domain, ask Paul to link to your site from ronpaul.com and keep everything else the way it is? The truth is, you are just trying to squeeze a huge profit from your domain purchase, which may not be unethical, but it certainly does no good for the liberty movement. The best situation for the movement would be for Paul to have this domain.
    Also, UDRP is not really a “use of force” government thing. You agreed to abide by their decisions through arbitration when you registered the domain name, so really RP’s people are just appealing to the people who hold a contract with you.

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  24. Charles

    Be very careful…. Somebody might just be trying to find out who all the Ron Paul supporters are? Are they really his attorneys?

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  25. DDdddDDD

    You need to tie this up for years. The best way would be to sue in a US court against them. They are using the UN court to get this done fast. There are tons of sites that are bought and sold for millions. Sue them in a US court and tie it up for years.

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  26. David Richards

    Tread on me, Ron Paul.

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  27. Mike

    How unlibertarian is this ? This reminds me of when Gary Johnson sued the debate commission.

    As a Ron Paul supporter I’m disappointed that he’d try to use force for political gain

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  28. ummmok

    pretty crazy stuff.. You should get some compensation… But u should also just give him the damn domain. Honestly, I dont really give a f***. Election is over, people dont listen… and everyone is out for their own greed so do what u want. All of you.

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  29. Patrick in Michigan

    Here’s what you write back:

    Dear Asshole,

    Fuck you, you ain’t getting our shit. We got your fucking name, and you wanna fuck us? We’re just gonna keep it and put it on a server overseas and turn it into a PORN site.

    Fuck his phony ass.

    -Patrick

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    1. Luke

      Oh god, I really hope he writes that email. That would grant RP a summary judgement.

      Do it, do it…

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  30. xRedfoxx

    I’m surprised to learn that you guys were using his name and likeness without his written permission. While the work you do is great, Ron has the right to his name and his likeness. Anything he pays you is generous since he should not have to buy his name and likeness from anyone.

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    1. Immy

      He’s not buying his name, that’s the problem, he has his name (and I’m sure many other people do too). He’s buying a location. If an avenue has your name, that doesn’t mean you have a right to it. Someone could use my name to make a city, which might be a more akin analogy right now, that doesn’t mean I can take the city. If anything, this domains been “homesteaded”.
      I do work in websites and I can tell you right now, it really is no small amount of work they would have had to put into all this. What have they put into this? Web designers, graphic designers, journalists, server administrators, database managers, content makers, editors, probably financial advisors/accountants, buying the domain name in the first place, media marketers, and jesus christ they just said their mailing list is 170k.
      To ask to take something which is not rightfully yours, even if it’s a domain that uses a public figures name (why .org is such a bad thing is also beyond me), is not ok and it shouldn’t be supported just because he’s “Ron Paul”. I’m pretty certain anyone of us here could put their own name and end it with a “.com” and come up with it being owned. And going to the UN to control internet affairs when he’s historically been opposed? Mm, no, not good. Being pissed is one thing, taking action which is generally opposite of voluntaryism which he damn near advocated in his farewell speech is an entire separate matter.
      Personally I hope this is some sort of manager misstepping, not him genuinely making this move, but whatever it is its not something to be commended.

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      1. Luke

        Go go gadget inflate the cost of development for a blog.

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  31. Brandon Polk

    I’m not aware of all of the details of the situation, but the man clearly wants the domain. It is his name, after all. Of course I understand the hours that are required. But the thing is, he’s now retired. Maybe now that he has time he can dedicate it to the site, spreading the message of liberty greater than its current owners can.

    But I also agree that the actions that are being performed by Ron Paul (or his lawyers) are pretty ruthless. Maybe he’s trying to push his supporters to Rand. That would make at least some logical sense. I really don’t understand the call for action from the United Nations. That seems to go against everything he’s talked about. Seems kind of cruel to treat supporters like that. Of course I’m not aware of the history, perhaps there is more that I am not seeing.

    Either way, hope we see an explanation from Dr. Paul soon.

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  32. WIBB

    I hope this is just bad management from whoever is in charge with Ron Paul’s affairs.

    It makes no sense at all that Ron Paul would personally request this sort of action.

    Fight for your right to keep this website!

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  33. Joshua

    Unbelievable that he of all people would try to get the goverment to force the free market. What a shameless hypocrite. He’s lost my support.

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    1. Luke

      It blows my mind how so few people read…

      Everything you just said was wrong.

      There are no governments involved… the process was designed by the free market.. they’re not having a UN hearing for RonPaul.com.

      RP is seeking arbitration, that’s not a court, and its all based around the ICANN terms of use policies, which is also not a government.

      This WHOLE THING is the free market. Holy cow..

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  34. robin

    French Canadian, Correction on my earlier post. Biden was not at the National prayer breakfast. Look for an earlier thread if you have not seen the speech by the guest speaker there. Watch how Obama reacts to what he has to say….

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    1. French Canadian

      Robin,

      I’ve answered you on the previous post ” illegal immigration”.

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  35. JM

    Ron Paul is and always has been a dishonest greedy self serving person thriving on the hopes of the misinformed (you). Why does any of this surprise you?

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    1. Luke

      Be honest, you didn’t graduate high school did you? I won’t tell…

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