Ron Paul Calls on United Nations to Confiscate RonPaul.com

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Update: The dispute was peacefully resolved on May 22, 2013. WIPO ruled that RonPaul.com shall remain with its current owners. The fight for liberty continues.

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  1. bb

    I just find this who incident to be odd in itself. Surely if he wanted this page, do you actually believe that he would permit the selling of items with his image and/or likeness on it ? Would that not also be a violation of intellectual property rights ? Yet he had not done so, so why would he do so now after allowment from the time elapsed ? I also find it somewhat questionable that a ron paul supporter is using the identical method of the MSM by misrepresenting or perverting the process.

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  2. You'reDamagingTheLibertyMovement

    The people running 'ronpaul.com' sure don't seem like supporters at the moment.

    Ron wants the domain name so he can have his own, personally run site, in order to continue the fight through social means.

    The domain name could have easily been given to Dr. Paul, while this site would have kept its content & mailing list with a simple domain name change.

    You're hurting the liberty movement. Hell, I don't see why you guys are pleased about this 'media coverage'; being supporters of Dr. Paul, I thought we wouldn't be too happy about Fox News spewing rhetoric about a story such as this.

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  3. aelfheld

    Does this make Paul bi-ideological?

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  4. Nonpaul supporter

    Can you imagine running what is basically a "business" for nearly 5 years, spending your time, money and blood on making it successful to support someone else, and then having that person want to take it all away from you and give you nothing in return? That is not free enterprise. That is Ron Paul using and taking.

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    1. Ces

      Hes not taking it all away! Its just the damn domain name. These guys can simply change their domain and give ronpaul.com back to Ron Paul since he is the trademark owner. This site has shown their true colors. This guys are not in this to support the cause of liberty, they are in it for the money.

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  5. Vaylon Kenadell

    You can't hear it, but I'm playing the world's saddest song on the world's smallest violin for you people. We warned you that Ron Paul was a selfish evil hypocrite, but you thought you were clever. You aren't. I feel not one iota of sympathy for you.

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  6. JoinOrDie

    So many Anarcho-capitalists on this site. You cannot separate property rights and rule of law from capitalism without dire consequences to both. Paul is pursuing the available avenue of legal retrieval for what he contends is a violation of his legal right to sole ownership of his name and trademark. If this site is making a profit off of his image & his name (not some other "Ron Paul"), which Paul alone has property of, his complaint is legally and morally valid. Simply put, that is his complaint. The US courts do not decide domain name issues, as the current owner of this domain is not in the US. Paul is not going to a "UN tribunal" or "UN court," he is going to a non-profit, non-governmental international arbitrator that decides these issues. Paul's complaint, being that the current owner violated his intellectual property rights and trademark, and in so doing, violated the agreement for domain registration, authorizes this arbitration. In other words, Paul is taking proper legal action. Anyone who says differently is obviously ignorant of the legal avenues available for this dispute or is simply an Anarcho-capitalist, of which Paul is not. Again, free-market capitalism cannot be separated from property rights and rule of law without dire consequences to both.

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  7. Ted Crawford

    I find it very, very difficult to feel any sympathy for a group who, by supporting a senile old Anarchist, provided tremendous aid to the Marxist in the White House! Your chickens, it seems, have come home to roost!
    Perhaps Chris Christie will send you some help!

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  8. Tim Brown

    It's rather interesting. I don't know the owner of this website. I do know Ron Paul and his record over 35 years.

    The claims of this article provide no documented evidence, other than their word, that Paul is actually doing this.

    If you provide the evidence, then I'll take a look. Until then, I dismiss your claims based on the character and stance of Dr. Paul in the past. A distinguished character that is far longer than RonPaul.com.

    By the way, you can reach me at FreedomOutpost.com

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  9. Priscilla

    Why don't you tell both sides to this???

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  10. Priscilla

    This most likely boils down to the fact that Ron Paul doesn't like that someone is using his name to make a profit. Even if they ARE selling things with his name and getting his message out, they are raking in money using his name. Nobody would like that no matter who they are. I could be wrong, but I looked and didn't see anything telling us that any amount of the money made goes to Ron Paul, his campaign, or C4L. From what I can tell it's all pure profit (not counting overhead) to the website's owner and to me that is a huge issue. He is probably attacking RP now because he might lose a huge revenue stream.

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  11. Tumbleweed Steve

    I say...Let it go man.
    The campaign is OVER and Ron Paul is trying to retire and get on with his life.
    My belief is that he would pefer to disolve any and ALL past dedication to him and move forward, which is what we ALL should be doing right now. And that means to lay down the past (Ron Paul) and any such related sites, with the exception of maybe the Ron Paul forums or the Daily Paul. Ron does not need any further marketing of his name, a web site, T-shirt's, bumper sticker's, ...etc.
    and anyone wanting to use his name as a tool to have a "business" is not only maybe a little greedy, but I would consider to be ignorant and in the same boat as Jesse Benton in wanting to gain from the Ron Paul name.
    As far as going to the UN over it. Do you think maybe the fact that Obama has handed control of the internet over to the UN may have ANYTHING at all to do with that???
    Hello!
    Sometimes I don't even have to wonder why we never made it.
    In Liberty
    Tumbleweed Steve

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    1. Jesse

      You realize that because of Ron Paul's last elections, a new wave of Constitutional minds have been sent to Congress to carry on Ron's work? It used to be only Ron, but now you've got congressmen like Justin Amash, Thomas Massie, and Ted Yoho.

      Then you've got Rand Paul, who is able to run in 2016 if the Anarcho-Capitalists would support him, even just a little bit.

      So, that's four successors to work on the grounds of his previous work. Three in the House of Representatives and one in the Senate. I'd say we're off to a nice start.

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  12. Lawrence Brown

    Paul is just showing his true colors. Many of us already knew what he stood for long time ago. Ron Paul is not a true friend of working Americans.

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    1. Ted Crawford

      Petulant Idealism is a seemingly, totally blinding institution!

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    2. Brick Alan

      The owners of this site are Not "hard working americans". They are australians..... they are not subject to U.S. law...... they are just trying to cash-in.

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  13. Ben

    Just lost a lot of respect for Ron Paul. Funny that he didn't complain about the domains when he was running an election campaign and relying on their support.

    Also not happy that lewrockwell.com is defending him on this.

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    1. adjudicate

      Don't be fooled by the temper-tantrum. I think that if others were making a profit based on your notoriety, and not paying royalties to you, you would probably seek to retain your right to your own name, trademark, and reputation.

      The owners of this site are crying because the carnival ride is over.

      They are NOT saying, "Thank you Ron Paul and all your people for helping me to make a living even though I didn't have that much skin in the success of your movement because I live on the opposite side of the planet. Thank you for purchasing so much merchandise through this site so that I could fund my own personal dreams for a time. Thank you very much!" Nope. They are not saying that. But they should. That would be a service to the goodness of our species.

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  14. Shirley A. Smith-Rhodes

    I love Patriot Activities and your main site. This may have been your main site but is no longer such. I love and support Ron Paul.

    Now reason with me. His name is Ron Paul... not your's. He has left Politics and is now working in a whole new challenge! He doesn't need nor want promotion. He is making a difficult transition and you need to die a natural death with dignity. Your purpose is over and I totally agree with Ron Paul. I am certain that he has advised you of this before doing anything.

    Give it up, guys, with grace and dignity. Wish this great man well in his new endeavors. They will much parallel your own Patriot activities. Let him close this chapter in his life. He is right to want control of his own name!!!

    Contact his son, Rand Paul and see if he is interested in promotion! I for one believe he is a modern version "chip off the old block" Even moreso, because he is a Kentuckian. From a fellow Kentuckian, I can tell you, he is truly GOOD! I would love to see Rand Paul as a candidate.

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  15. rusureuwant2know

    I understand and appreciate all your hard work on the website, and I trust you volunteered your time without expecting to get paid at the start. It was for a good cause, but charging Ron Paul for a domain that bears his name seems arrogant.

    Seems to me I've heard of ways to move all the posts, responses and links to a new site so why don't you take the .org site and keep the peace?

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  16. R Stone

    You are BOTH wrong. You gave five years of your life to promote his cause using his name... give it up. Him going to the UN ? There will be blowback... going against his own agenda. Please come to an amicable agreement for the cause sake

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  17. Leonard

    I can understand him wanting the website, I maybe can even understand him not wanting to pay 250,000 for a mailing list he may consider out of date or something like that. But for him to go to the U.N., an organization that he absolutely hates just floors me. something is very wrong here. I agree that you need to take this to a much more personal level and do everything possible to reconcile with him. I want to know what is happening here. I am and have been an avid Ron Paul supporter. I was a delegate that cast my vote for him. Hell I still have a Ron Paul lawn sign in front of my house. I had planned to put a pole by it and fly my American flag there Upside down with a sign saying "We had one chance" Not a small thing since I live right across the street from the courthouse. Now I will have to wait until I get to the bottom of this.

    Rowdy

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  18. Ron Cully

    One more thing... While you did post nice things to help Ron Paul, I'm sure those nice things would have been here as a result of the official Ron Paul team had they not made their mistake. The people who came here did so not so much because of what you did but because of the URL name you scooped. Ron Paul was also nice enough to let you continue while you sold t-shirts and bumper stickers that you no doubt (and reasonably so) profitted from. So while you now say they are being unjust, consider that their mistake became your fortune and you were given an opportunity to profit. But the party is over now and you need to return this to its rightful owner.

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    1. Nonpaul supporter

      Do you know how much time and money it costs to maintain a successful website? Obviously not.

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  19. Ron Cully

    Hmmmm... The UN??? How about ICAAN which is the organization who established the rules under which you bought this URL after someone at Ron Paul made an admin error and let their URL license expire. There was a time when people scooped up URLs and held them hostage. I thought that was over. You're not Ron Paul and I didn't give my name to you; I gave it to him. You have no right to sell my name. If you want to hang onto this URL that badly, then go through the ICAAN process like a big boy and accept the outcome. In the mean time quit mudslinging and distorting the magnitude of what Ron Paul has done. You're pathetic.

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    1. Ted Crawford

      "...the magnatude of what Ron Paul has done" I agree! After all Obama was re-elected, in no small part, due to Ron Paul and his supporters!

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  20. The Federal Farmer

    Just more proof that there's no difference between ANY of the political parties or politicians.
    They ALL want power and money and don't give a crap about us the people.

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  21. Jenn

    Initially, upon reading this, I could understand you feeling like something is being taken from you and be a bit upset at Ron Paul... but as I read more and thought about it, I don't think you're seeing the big picture here. If Ron Paul wants to be able take this domain over and then use it towards his campaign or to spread the message of liberty under his OWN direction and in his OWN words, I would think that would be far more helpful and proactive in the whole scheme of things. Not saying the owners of this website haven't done a good job, but personally, I would FAR more trust a website called ronpaul.com and manned by Ron Paul to be more effective than a website called ronpaul.com and manned by seemingly loyal followers. Doesn't that make sense? It just seems the time has come to hand it over. If you had a website called www.YAYRONPAUL.com and it was doing great with a 750,000 mailing list and Ron Paul heard of this awesome incoming 'revenue' from that (since you seem to be quite concerned about that) and then decided he wanted it, that's a different story... but this website is HIS NAME. This is completely legitimate. I do question the way it was taken to the United Nations, but we haven't heard his side either, have we? If you are legitimately concerned because you feel that you will have a financial hardship from this being taken, I would think you should speak differently and not use the tone of voice you are using. You sound so rude and completely opposite as I would expect someone would act who has run this website all these years. I'm pretty disappointed actually as well as embarrassed by your attitude to Ron Paul.
    I have a question. Not that there is any law or rules about this, but did you initially ask Ron Paul to use his name in the first place to run this website?

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    1. Areyouserious

      Jenn, your point would be much stronger if the website hadn't been up and running with no complaint for 5 years. In fact it seems that RP acknowledged and was grateful to the site through his staff during that time.

      To allow, and even support, someone using your name for 5 years, during which time they have built a business of some value, and then to go to the UN to try to take that business without just compensation, is slimy.

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      1. Jenn

        In retrospect, let me add a few things. I did say I didn't like the way he's going about it. I also don't know how I feel about him not offering compensation of some sort. I would think that he could kindly offer something as a token of appreciation but I also don't think it should be demanded of him. I don't like him going through the U.N. that he has spoken out against either.
        I really would like to hear his side of this, however. I don't want to start bashing him without hearing what his reasons are. Maybe he just really is unhappy about something, whether it be the letter sent to him, or even something said on the website, I don't know.
        I am pretty much arguing the fact that I completely understand him wanting both websites to be in his possession. In fact, as a supporter, I'm not exactly sure if there is even a website or facebook page at all that is legitimately run by Ron Paul since finding out he was never in charge of either of these websites. I'm not too excited about that! I feel like you do have a right to have an issue...I'm not trying to take that away from you, and I'm sure I would have a hard time just handing something over so easily after all the blood, sweat and tears and coming in the form of a document from the U.N. at that.... BUT. with the U.N. out of the mix, I think Ron Paul has the right to have this website with HIS OWN name and brand. I think that would be anyone's right. I think it's the same as using someone's picture. I do want to say that if there was a www.ronpaul.com website and all they had on the website was lolcats, and they posted pictures of cats wanting cheezburgers without ever uttering a word about the Libertarian, Ron Paul, then I'm not sure he would have an argument. This is not the case, however. For whatever reason, Ron Paul wants the possession, or at least to have others NOT be in possession of a website with HIS name, HIS message, HIS followers. LEGIT. Sure you have a mailing list, but why? Because of Ron Paul. You want to sell to him a list of people that would just meander over to his new mailing list anyway? I dunno. Sorry, I do see both sides, and I think still think you aren't looking at the big picture.

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  22. keepyourpower

    Something has happened to him. This is NOT the Ron Paul we all know and love.
    Possibly he is ill. Possibly he is becoming senile.

    Before anyone tries to lynch him, find out what is going on with RP!

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    1. Mike

      "Something has happened to him. This is NOT the Ron Paul we all know and love.
      Possibly he is ill. Possibly he is becoming senile."

      What happened to him is that he doesn't need anyone to vote for him anymore. It's that simple. I realize the cognitive dissonance is cruel, but you really shouldn't be that surprised by a career politician behaving like a career politician.

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  23. Peter Hartman

    After it's all said and done:

    It may be disappointing that Ron Paul is resorting to UN litigation. So what? Have you never been disappointed by Ron Paul? He should do whatever he thinks is right.

    It may be disappointing that the owners of RonPaul.com are selling the domain and mailing list for 250K. So what? They should do whatever they think is right.

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    If trademarks stand even though the site domain expires, then the owners of this site have been fortunate to have the use of the name for so long.

    If trademarks don’t stand, then Ron Paul will not get the site.

    I don't think broken links justifies the keeping of the domain. As for chaos on the web, there may be a way for site owners to automatically redirect links. Either way, I think the web will recover.

    The owners get to keep the site, the content and their mailing list. The mailing list is the high value item.

    ***

    Why does Ron Paul need your mailing list? Those 170k+ willing and activate subscribers will certainly subscribe to his mailing list. He may even already have many of those subscribers.

    Besides some temporary turmoil, and some hurt feelings, I can’t see the problem here. If the worst happens, you setup on another domain.

    You’ve put a lot of energy into the site but, if you’ve received any financial remuneration from the site over the years, that tab is settled. Why should Ron Paul pay for your years of hard work?

    ***

    For all you idolaters out there, I understand. I pray to Ron Paul every night, and I follow his beloved son. But Ron Paul doesn’t have to be holy. His every decision does not need to be validated by the masses - even his very own adoring masses. The good Doctor teaches us personal freedom. I would encourage you not to insist that his be met with your approval.

    Rebuttal is welcome. I would appreciate any new insight into this debate.

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    1. Sunshine49

      I think you're right that they had to make a profit to stay in business all these years. Like all businesses, the first years are the hardest to build it up, but it gets a little easier once the money starts coming in.

      From what I understand, Ron Paul just wants the name back -- NOT the whole business. I can't fault him there because it IS HIS NAME. The site should just inform it's supporters that it is changing their name or are they afraid they will lose a lot of their business if they change the name? They could change it to something like RonPaulSupporters or SupportRonPaul. It would be a more honest title instead of leading people to believe that it was Ron Paul's site.

      Wasn't the idea behind the site to promote liberty along with Ron Paul? It shouldn't be just the name that counts. I really like what Ron Paul has to say and I really like that he has fought for the Constitution all these years. I'm sorry that something like this could possibly hurt support for the message he is trying to get out. It's not Ron Paul that counts, but the message he is trying to deliver that matters. People should remember that before they snap to judgement.

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    2. Nonpaul supporter

      His "beloved son"? LOL are you kidding me? His son is worse than him.

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      1. Jesse

        That's why he protects gun rights and the Fourth, Fifth, Six, Seventh, and Eighth Amendments better than Mitt Romney. Go away.

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  24. Latitia

    I am devastated!!!---what in the world is Ron Paul thinking about---
    he has been our hero for so long---it is painful to see him doing this.
    We don't want the UN involved in any of our affairs---please tell us that this is a bad dream

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    1. Ted Crawford

      Whenever and wherever in civilization Reality finally meets with Idealism, Idealism is always utterly destroyed! " An Idealist is one who on noticing that a Rose smells better than a Cabbage, concludes that it will also make better soup"

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    2. Mike

      Maybe he felt like you needed an object lesson on why politicians should never be treated as heroes?

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  25. Mike

    Just food for thought... I see two other possibilities. A) He sees the forthcoming hyper-inflation issue and is attempting to build capital quickly to transfer to another form of currency to retain some monetary wealth. OR B) He's actively trying to push off his follower base to pursue a new, younger candidate.. you know a kind of "make them hate me and leave me in the past" thing. OR maybe its little of both mixed with some grumpy old man...

    Just musings... I like him as a candidate. not on all issues, but he's been the closest in system candidate I've seen... Others are coming, We can all feel it brewing. Change. Real change. Keep your eyes open, see the world for what it is and listen for the voices that still ring true. They are out there,

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  26. Stan

    I really like Ron Paul, his ideas and his speeches, now I must agree with you guys. You have this domain, you paid for it, and it's yours. You used it for supporting Freedom and the message of Liberty. Maybe the 250.000 sounds like an awful lot money, but it's not the point right now. Going to the UN for help and making a drama on this domain issues is a really bad move.

    I got a really bad feeling, when I seen in the news Ron Paul asking $50,000 / speech. That is just sounds wrong. 2,000-2,500, covering the hotel room and other expenses and earn a couple dollars is ok, but 50,000 is way too off the line. Spreading the message of Liberty can't be done with making millions. (Or does he donate all the money for pro-Freedom groups and activities?)

    So, I don't know, but something is really off with these things. It's really sad, because meanwhile we keep losing freedom day-by-day.

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  27. john busciglio

    trying to help you guys out. this issue is certainly divisive, but I think you should read and respond to this letter as soon as you can!

    First off, I want to thank you for dropping $25,000 on buying the domain back 5 years ago before anyone had any idea that Ron Paul might become a superstar. That was a tremendous gamble you took on the idea that one day RonPaul.com might become a powerful brand. I remember back then the Ron Paul campaign struggled to raise $400k for radio ads because his name and his message were just not well known.

    I also want to thank you for helping create the buzz. You guys have built a power PR5 site and that doesn't just happen with owning a domain name. Some serious effort must go in to building up a reputable source for information about Ron Paul. You guys did a fantastic job in keeping positive news at the top of the search engines for Ron Paul throughout both campaigns.

    I am so glad that what we are witnessing now did not occur during the campaigns as it would have been a huge distraction during an important time in the distribution phase of Ron Paul's and our message of liberty. So again, I thank you guys so much for keeping the site out of the hands of people who would use it against him.

    Now, the reason I am writing this in the open is so that the grassroots can become better focused on what is happening with your domain and web site. The big problem that people have is that they think you are trying to make money off Ron Paul. Many of us know that it isn't a big deal, since Ron Paul himself has encouraged others to use his name and his likeness to spread the message of liberty. He has even commended many of us for finding ways to profit off of spreading that message.

    The problem comes in when people see these HUGE numbers being thrown around! They think you guys are becoming rich for no other reason than holding Ron Paul hostage and tricking his supporters in to giving you money that should go to Ron Paul. Most of us in our hearts KNOW that this isn't really true, but those big numbers are distracting for people.

    Guys, let me be frank and maybe even somewhat blunt. I don't think Ron Paul has a case against you with ICANN/WIPO/UN. I don't think his complaint has proven all of the factors necessary to have the domain unilaterally stripped. I think you guys ought to respond by asking the ICANN/WIPO/UN to wait until the outcome of the civil IP trial in US Federal Courts that is most certainly already planned. Just look at the complaint guys, it read like a legal complaint!

    So, just ask the ICANN/WIPO/UN to let the case come before a civil jury before they strip your domain. You have merit, 5 years worth of working with the Ron Paul grassroots to spread his message. Doing what Ron Paul encouraged his supporters to do, use his name/likeness, spread the message. You did not act with malice. And yes, maybe you did make money off his name and likeness, but not without his tacit consent! You also were remaining vigilant for the cause, picking up abandoned domains and keeping those domains in the network and circle of supporters!

    Now, I call for transparency from you. You must be ready willing and able to show the history of the last 5 years of this domain and for 3 reasons.

    1.) If you want to get your price for the domain, you have to show why you put this value on it! Especially when you are so far apart from what Ron Paul's party is valuing!
    2.) If ICANN/WIPO/UN does grant your response and waits for a US Federal IP Suit, you most certainly WILL get one and then those records will be subpoenaed.
    3.) And most importantly, as Ron Paul supporters, we all value truth and transparency. Never mind the silly litigious claims. We want to see integrity. We want to know how much money you guys pulled in, and we REALLY want to know what the site is worth. I think as his supporters, you owe that to us. And as supporters of the message of liberty and freedom, you owe it to the cause to let us know EXACTLY where you stand. And the best way to do this, is full financial disclosure.

    Thanks for reading, and please, post up the numbers!

    Sincerely,
    Newbitech
    Liberty Lover
    Freedom Seeker
    Truth Sniffer
    Ron Paul Supporter
    and someone who has testified in a US Federal Trademark IP lawsuit.

    P.S. Show the numbers now, before your hand is forced!

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    1. Dave Zan

      I think you guys ought to respond by asking the ICANN/WIPO/UN to wait until the outcome of the civil IP trial in US Federal Courts that is most certainly already planned.

      Unfortunately, that's not possible. UDRP resolves in 60 days as "mandated", whether or not the RonPaul.com folks respond or even if there's a filed lawsuit. Depending on where the lawsuit is filed, it might or might not take precedence over the UDRP.

      I'm going to blog more about this to maybe shed some light on the subject, but thought of commenting here still.

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  28. Brian Hill

    YOU POOR STUPID PAULIE'S DESERVE WHAT YOU GET! He could have helped us beat Obama and DID NOTHING! you all stupid write in fools have hurt American and deserve what you get! GO STRAIGHT TO HE** DO NOT COLLECT 250k. HA,HAHAHAHA,HAHAHAHA,HAHAHAHA,HAHAHA

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    1. Candice

      Ron Paul should not have to go to the UN in the first place if he did. What is wrong here is instead of settling this freedom of speech and domain issue here within our boarders we all have to go to the UN now? What a shame that we are not America any more? What we need to do is withdraw from the UN and quit giving more money to them than other countries do especially now with our economy so much in debt and us needing our money for much more important things within our own boarders. What do you think? I really like Ron Paul and most often agree with him than others.

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  29. Jay

    Wait, wait, wait, WAIT. I see the first few article comments about "making money off of the guy's name," etc.

    Did I Miss A Meeting, or are you Ron Paul supporters not supposed to be the ultimate "free market, liberatarian, blah-blahs?" So Ron Paul, who apparently was not aware of this magical thing called "The Internet" in 2008 neglected to register his own name (as a public figure, even back then), someone else saw an opportunity, snatched it up, and made money with it. Then the guy decides that--even though the people running the site have been his biggest supporters in his failed presidential campaigns--to

    -TAKE IT WITHOUT EVEN ASKING DIRECTLY
    -FOR FREE
    -USING AN INTERNATIONAL GOVERNING BODY

    ...and some of you chuckleheads he espouse his philosophy of pseudo-Randian ideals of free markets, individual greed, no free handouts, every-man-for-himself, and think that this is OK? Even lambasting the domain owners for daring to make money off of another person's name? Calling them squatters, when (in reality) they have been actively using the site to bring attention to the cause and (gasp) make money!

    In my head, the GOP were idiots and you Paul-philes guy were just off the grid. Now I see that both descriptors now apply to both parties.

    Good luck with Rand, though. Sounds like he's off to a good (e.g. crazy) start. He'll rock it, Romney-style.

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    1. Nonpaul supporter

      Love this post. Agree on all points.

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    2. Jesse

      That's why he's been introducing and supporting legislation that are parallel with his ideals of free markets, individual responsibility, and optional co-operative welfare (not Government enforced, privatized).

      That's why introduced an amendment to NDAA to attempt removing the indefinite detention spell, and why he votes against the PATRIOT act.

      Hopefully Ronpaul.com decides that I can argue like the other people on this forum by moderating my post to allow it to be seen.

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  30. webefree

    Am I living in an alternate nightmare? This row is like a 'part three' to RP's abandonment of his campaign in July. The other point which bears mention is the INCESSANT hand out I get from both RPs for money I don't have - thanks in large part to the economies of 2+ leaders that broke my professions and took my possessions, and all the 'hope' and 'change' has changed NOTHING. If liberty is going to succeed it's got no hope through bleeding an already tapped public. What happened in 1775 may have been delayed by money and moved in part by money, but far more it was done by might and purpose. Those things are not always moved by cash. They are moved by principle. That my friends is in dire straits, all the more now by yet another tussle over money.

    Here's where this is headed: the site owners' efforts should not be thwarted as they are the backbone of the RP campaign, and I dare say now, legacy - and regardless of what RP claims to 'own' this site has indeed advanced him politically, and I dare say, FINANCIALLY. RP should not have used any recourse on this matter except through arbitration - out of the hands of the very people he 'claimed' no trust with - and this matter should have been brought to you AND US, his supporters, in open dialogue. Why now demand this? Why was this not undertaken WHEN this site was started? What is the real reason? He owes you - and us - an explanation. All you (and we) are getting is legal drivel and fiat action.

    At this juncture I see three big missteps by RP since before the election - all of which must be reiterated and vetted because they are completely out of step with his mission and message. So he wants his 'mark', give it to him - it, and nothing else. If this is the way he intends to treat the very people who drove so many to come to support him in this manner then he will further offend and erode the supporters because again, this action is out of character with 'principled' leadership. Hate to say this, but it sounds like 'you didn't build it!'...but OH YES, you did site developers!

    People make mistakes; he needs to recognize this as a blunder (or if indeed this is a hoax he must state so publically) or all his work will have been in vain. His work, not our work. We who are believers in the cause will make up our own minds and chart whatever course we see fit to meet our goals and objectives as we vet candidates for future elections.

    So go ahead, give him his name back...and go look for someone who actually lives principles and appreciates those who go the distance. Look for someone with the guts to carry the ball the whole way to victory and not have his hands out at every play to make us pay. WE THE PEOPLE know we will come through in a crunch, but we're not patsies, we're not going to fund up a quitter, and we're not going to money bomb to the point where our mission (or our livelihood) is left hanging.

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  31. Trendy

    Come on guys, this is typical political hypocrisy. Say what sells, do what is in your own best interest.

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  32. Joey

    I wonder how many Ron Pauls there are in the USA. Let's go to facebook and or google and find out. If there are more than one Ron Paul in the US, then who has the rights to demand RonPaul.com? If there are more than one Ron Paul, why would Dr. Ron Paul be the first in line to get the domain name? Maybe Ron Paul needs to get Dr.RonPaul.com.

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    1. Dave Zan

      No single person or entity has any sort of absolute, exclusive right to a domain name bearing his/her/its namesake. However, certain laws, standards, etc. can rather what one can and can't do with the domain name.

      If anything, the .com version shows how "in demand" it is to U.S.-based individuals.

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  33. Sons of the American Revolution

    I know one thing is that your name is your own property. Does anyone else have a lawful claim on the name "Ron Paul" other than former Congressman Ron Paul?

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    1. PaxAmericana

      Absolutely.. any of the thousands of people worldwide who are also named Ron Paul.

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    2. PaxAmericana

      Here is one example.. http://ronaldpaulcos.com/.. Ronald D Paul, not Ronald E Paul... how does your idol have any greater right to it than the other one?

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  34. John Taylor

    So apparently Dr. Paul is EVERYTHING you have argued for 5 years he is not. Don't you feel USED? How about not putting faith in any one individual. They always seem to let us down. Now that Ron is through sucking on the public tit (and don't tell me he never made money out of his position in the House) he needs private funds to buy his documentaries and such and you RonPaul.com have become expendable. WAKE THE HELL UP AND MOVE ON. You want the "old" Ron Paul back? In view of his behavior, who exactly was that?

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  35. ClinicalThinker

    I am afraid you have no real legal beef.

    Unless you HAVE IN WRITING a statement from RP himself (or his lawyers) allowing you to REGISTER HIS NAME as your website you are on cracking ice.

    The wise on the internet GET WRITTEN PERMISSION if they are smart.

    Perhaps this is a lesson well learned?

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    1. PaxAmericana

      I think you will discover otherwise, when the smoke clears. He is a public figure. No permission is necessary unless you can prove that he is the only Ron Paul in the entire world with that name. Coca-cola and several others who have a lot more money to sue found out the hard way.

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    2. Steve

      I think is a moral issue, I'm going to wait until all the facts are in, this don't sound like the Ron Paul I know.

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      1. Nonpaul supporter

        Maybe you don't know the real ron paul.

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    3. Nonpaul supporter

      Where's your proof of your critical thinking? Not here.

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