Lew Rockwell: Good morning, this is the Lew Rockwell Show, and what an honor it is to have Dr. Ron Paul as our guest this morning. What do you say about Dr. Paul, he’s the great champion of freedom in the political realm in all of American history. He’s done so much against the Federal Reserve, for the cause of peace against all these horrendous wars, against the police state, against regulation of the economy, against all the terrible things the government does. And, Ron, I noticed one terrible thing the government has done recently, they’re proposing a so called ‘core curriculum’ to try to bring all the public schools much more under the control of the Department of Education, as relates to what they teach and their disciplinary policies and everything else about the schools. Isn’t this another reason, maybe and increased reason, to consider home schooling?
Ron Paul: When you think about this recent case where a German family had came over here just to get freedom in the schools, they’re likely to be sent back to Germany. When you look at that law that prohibits home schooling in Germany, it wasn’t written recently, it was written under the Hitler regime in the 1930s. So there is a reason to not allow competition. When you have no child left behind, which the Republicans love, and now there’s core curriculum … which is being fought, it hasn’t gone all the way, I know in my own area here they’ve been fighting it tooth and nail. But, I don’t think it’s the academicians who say, “How are we going to tell the children to improve their education?”
Some get lowed in to it, I’m sure, and some are naïve, and at least the people who go along might believe it. But ultimately, these programs are designed to get hold of the children very young, and we do know that the young children are easily influenced, and if they are influenced from kinder garden on up by state-run curriculum, that’s very, very dangerous. In many ways, I have been encouraged. We do have the Ron Paul curriculum, which I thought through thoroughly because I figured I just don’t know how well this would work. But I’ve come across so many very, very average people that you would never even dream to think about politics, and they’re not Republicans or Democrats, they just care about their kids, they’re very interested in home schooling. So, hopefully, it stays legal, because it certainly had a very positive effect here in the last 30 years since it was more-or-less authorized and condoned by the courts in the early 1980s. So I think tremendous good has come from it. But, like I tell people, never let your guard down, because whether it’s core curriculum or whatever, I think there are enemies out there that don’t want families to have a choice. But to me it’s a moral issue, because who’s responsible for the children, their education, their safety, and their health? It should be the parents, and I think that’s what’s going on now. They’re arguing between the state being in charge of the children, or the parents being in charge of the children.
Lew Rockwell: Ron, one great thing about the Ron Paul curriculum is that when people who’ve never done home-schooling think about it, it seems intimidating, it seems like just a huge deal. And what this curriculum does is guide you, it explains everything to you, and makes it accessible to every parent who’s concerned about their children’s future and is worried about what they’re being taught in the public schools. And, of course, you have a book coming out explaining why home-schooling is such an important aspect of a free society.
Ron Paul: The people who’ve been advising me on this strongly encourage a system where it isn’t totally dependent on brilliant parents to do this. It’s going to be made easier, the material is going to be made available. You don’t have to buy a lot of books, your children themselves will learn how to help each other and teach themselves. These aren’t brand new ideas, but they’re reviving some ideas that have been used in the past, and are totally opposite of the conditions that exists in our authoritarian public educational system, especially when it’s run by the federal government. I argue that there is no provision in the constitution for a local community having a school, but there’s no authority whatsoever for the federal government to be involved in funding it or regulating it or devising the curriculum. And I think a lot of people are waking up to this fact.
Lew Rockwell: Ron, one of the things I like about your curriculum is it brings back the best of the past. And, of course, whether we think about if eventually this curriculum is going to go right through the first grade, but the best of the past in terms of, say, how to read, as versus the horrible system that really makes almost illiterates out of many children. So we have all that kind of thing, but it’s going to be cutting edge, too, in the sense that it’s going to teach a child how to give a speech, how to have a YouTube channel, how to have your own blog and what you should have in your blog and why that can be such an important contribution to your education.
Ron Paul: Lo and behold, who knows, if the parents are paying enough attention, they might pay attention because they might learn something too, because we all could learn something new. I could learn a bit more about setting up my own YouTube Channel, so that could be wonderful. The kids catch on very quickly, but parents can get a lot interested, too, sort of like what happened in the campaigns with the young people getting very interested in the Federal Reserve and in stopping these wars and they got excited. And that was transmitted to the parents, and the parents felt, “Geez, I love that these kids are at least serious and thinking about it”, and they came around to many of the issues. So maybe home-schooling will work something like that.
Lew Rockwell: Ron, moving to foreign affairs for a little bit, I noticed that the evil John McCain went to celebrate Memorial Day with the so-called rebels, the Al-Qaida types, funded by the U.S. and Turkey and Israel and other places, fighting to overthrow the Assad government. He went there to celebrate Memorial Day with these Al-Qaida gorillas, I thought they were supposed to be bad guys.
Ron Paul: You wonder what the motivation is there , we know what his foreign policy is, and we know his attitude about war, because he believes all problems can be solved with aggression and use of force and telling other countries what to do. I was thinking today about all that mess over there and how Syria has not gone well for the rebels and for the administrators of our foreign policy. Remember the statement back when they were getting ready to go into Iraq and Afghanistan, that the neo-cons were going to remake the Middle East? And it got me thinking, they’re remaking the Middle East, but it’s not what they had planned. All of a sudden, all the old boundaries are going to break down and maybe Kurdistan will exist and maybe that mess needlessly created out of World War I and how they just divvyed up the loot under the Ottoman Empire. I think there’s a remaking of the Middle East, but it’s going to be entirely different.
The only thing I hope for, because there’s always going to be chaos and it’s tragic, but I am convinced that the more foreigners involved in solving these disputes, the worse it is. It’s characteristic that in these countries where Christians, Jews and Muslims have lived together, if there’s no foreign interference, they got along a lot better. They were never perfect, but they got along pretty well. But it’s only when foreigners come in and pick sides and get involved in a minor squabble and turn it into a monster and start designing their borders, is when you get this instability. And instability over the past 70, 80 years is coming to an end, and who knows what will come to it. But I can guarantee you one thing, John McCain is not going to solve the problem by going over there and visiting with the Al-Qaida.
Lew Rockwell: And when you think about your point about people living together, they’ve been successful Christian communities in Iraq and Syria since the time of the Apostles, and they survived with Muslims and every kind of war and horrible social upheaval. But now they’re being driven out, these Christians who’ve been there for 2,000 years are being driven out of Iraq, they’ve been driven out of Syria, so this is an achievement of the neo-cons.
Ron Paul: It isn’t exactly like the Iranians have been bad, either. Christians have lived there, the Jews have lived there, and yet their drumbeat is dissent and hatred going on. They’re bound and determined that they have their way. The people that want to run the oil and the world and the natural resources, have to build these lies. And just compare the democracy in any country which has democratic election of leaders which is far from perfect, to that of Iran or Saudi Arabia. It is absolutely bizarre how people get so misled. On 9/11, there were even a few Saudis involved, 15 out of 19 were Saudis, and yet we invade Iraq. It’s absolutely absurd, people do wake up, but they wake up slowly. And I think the job of all of us who believe in freedom and limited government is to wake up people as quickly as possible, and that’s where I’m become the optimist because of the means by which information spread today through the internet and the various opportunities we have that were never available in the history of mankind. That type of technology that there is today for spreading messages, good messages, to counteract all the bad messages.
Lew Rockwell: You’re certainly taking advantage of it, and it’s why certainly the bad guys would not have predicted, or they predicted the opposite, that you’ve become a bigger public figure since leaving Congress, and it is because of these new methods of communication that you’re taking advantage of.
Ron Paul: Well, I can’t decide that, somebody else will, because every once in a while, I read the bad stuff too, the ones that come down pretty hard on me. But you know what, this is sort of silly, I guess, but we put a picture up on Facebook just recently of me and my grandkids picking potatoes and tomatoes at home. And many people looked at this, and probably 99.9% of what was said was positive, because it was not complicated, it was a simple thing, it was facts of life. There are a lot of good people out there that care about really commonplace things and family. So I try to look at that, and when I look at the 10 or 15 who come down pretty hard on criticizing, they criticize me personally, but I understand what they’re doing. I don’t think they care about me personally, but what they care about is the message that we’re able to get out, because they know how enthusiastic I am about the benefits of a free society and personal liberty and why governments are so abusive to these. How often does the government really protect our liberty? If they protected the 10 amendments, maybe they’d be protecting our liberties, but it seems like the job of our government in the last 100 years has been to undermine the protections the founders had hoped to place in the constitution.
Lew Rockwell: Ron, what about Mr. Bernanke and what’s going on with the Fed, what’s happening, and what do you see ahead for us?
Ron Paul: I don’t see how they can do anything other than more of the same. Early on, I read some free market economists in the 1970s when this happened, and they said every time there’s going to be a recession, to get out of it you will need more government spending, more debt, and more inflation of the money supply. And I believe that prediction has held up. Just think, this has been the worst recession/depression for many since 1971, and look at the spending, look at the deficits, and look at the inflation. And that’s all they know, and this pretence that they’re going to (?) is total nonsense. They even admit it, they say, “Well, when they begin to unwind, it will only be treasury bills”. But they’re not going to instill the mortgages. Of course, the mortgages are worthless that they bought, and who owns a treasury bill when it’s less than 1% a year for 5 years. Nobody invests in that. The banks buy this stuff, and where do the banks get the money from? The Fed creates it out of thin air. It is such a farce, and yet it’s pretty amazing that it’s held together by this delusion that people have and the markets love. So I think it’s going to last a while longer, the Fed is going to keep printing and keep buying, there’ll be a downturn and they’ll keep doing it. But the end stage will come and it will be out of control and they’ll admit that the prices are going up. They are going up, but not enough to the point where that’s the No.1 concern of the people. But we’re seeing housing prices going up rapidly, medical care costs and all these things have had a tremendous amount of inflation. But that’s not the deep concern. And the world is still buying our dollars and selling us stuff. So the Fed will continue to do what’s happening, there will be a market phenomenon when the attitude of the people changes and they lose confidence. Every single day we get closer to this particular date, but it will come and nobody knows when it will come, but I suspect this will go on for several more years and Bernanke will be replaced, maybe with Yellen, and she’s not going to change anything. All central bankers do the same thing, they facilitate big government, they print money and take care of the banks and finance wars and welfare. So there’s no way that’s going to change until the currency is destroyed.
Lew Rockwell: Thinking about inflation, one area of vast inflation has been higher education, and you’re able to work your way through college, something that’s pretty much impossible for kids today because the federal government’s subsidization of education has increased prices so dramatically. And also it’s had the effect that they want to have everybody go to college, which has made the value of a college degree diminished. So more and more kids are thinking, “Maybe I shouldn’t go the regular college route, maybe I shouldn’t end up with a big debt”, and maybe you’ll help those kids someday by having a Ron Paul curriculum for college.
Ron Paul: That’s always possible, but it will start with what we have. But I think that is going to be the wave of the future because nobody is going to be able to afford college, and they’re at that point now where the biggest personal debt right now is student debt, approximately a trillion dollars. And they’re not getting very many good jobs. Maybe the jobs have perked up a little bit now, but that’s not going to last. So many are unemployed or underemployed. How many college graduates are working at McDonalds? They say there are a bunch of them.
The liberal believes that if you pump money into something, you get more of it. The hard-money people realize that if you create money out of thin air and you pump it into housing or medical care or education, you don’t get more high quality education, what you get is higher prices and much lower quality.
Lew Rockwell: Well, Ron Paul, thanks for the fight that you continue to wage, and there are even more exciting announcements coming up about things that you’re doing to educate everybody in the ideas of freedom. It’s great to have you on the show today, and all I can say is keep it up.
Ron Paul: Thank you, Lew, it was good to be with you.