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Why is “H1 B” not discussed ? It should be a primary question that a
Each GOP Candidate should answer being that close to 3 million jobs 2010 alone were lost to Americans by these body shop companies bring in aliens… http://lawofficeofjamesaotto.com/home/?p=74
Where Have All The Jobs Gone?
The Shameful Truth is That They Are Still Here. Behind American Backs, Our Government allies with Corporations to betray the American Dream by Firing 2,000,000 American Workers then Hiring 2,000,000 Workers per Year from Foreign Countries.
2007: 1,932,075
2008: 1,949,695
2009: 1,703,697
2010: 2,816,525
The above numbers are quoted from the Department of Homeland Security 2010 Yearbook of Immigration Annual Statistics, table 25, page 64.
A Very Frustrated American
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Half of the arguments against Paul are based on the premise that our government is actually looking out for our best interest.Wake up people look at the mess they have gotten us in.How much more will it take.Oh and If you understood his policy on less federal regulations you know that he wants the states individually regulate themselves without the interference of the bumbling destroy everything they touch government.Any body whois sitting out there counting on our government to make the right decisions for you is living in a dream world because all your going to get is the same or worse.So anybody who preaches less government and more constitutional rights in this day and age is the man for me.Not to mention he is not corrupt.Weather he gets elected or not his message will live on!
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do agree, but learn to spell, that and don’t write when you are pissed cause you scramble your words, yes our government is corrupt but dont bitch about it do something about it, http://www.republicfortheunitedstates.org anyone who feels our government is becoming too powerful, and is starting to abuse their power should visit this site… lets as americans come together and do somthing about it, practice your constitutional rights to become sovern and take back what belongs to us the people, our land, our rights, everything, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, QUIT BITCHING ABOUT IT AND DO SOMETHIN…
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I was thinking that exact same thing after i wrote it.I should never post while im mad.I can’t let it get to me but it’s hard not to.I’ll just stay more focused on what needs to be accomplished.Thanks for the honesty.
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A “new” republic….hmmmm.
Sure why not, but how are YOU going to motivate the “sheeple” ?
The FED has been cranking the money heroin for so long, there is no telling what “normal” is anymore.
So BOTH parties are spinning the “Statist” Que, to print more to pay for the Trillions more in Debt spending that’s on Auto-Pilot and growing by $10 BILLION a day.
And thinking the sheeple won’t notice that their standard of living is plummeting in the process!
The Poor want their Welfare,
and
The Rich want their Warfare.
And
The Middle class are paying for BOTH ends with their Lives and Family Wealth.
Just keep the music playing so the sheeple will continue walking around the chairs
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Well, you got one thing right, he’s not going to get elected, or even nominated.
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The G(et) O(urs) P(arty) of corruption is in the unenviable position of having their entire slate of candidates being the biggest bunch of losers I can remember running for office. They all are out of touch with mainstream or average people, and whichever loser is ultimately chosen will go down in defeat.
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But guaranteed our Loser will still be better than the Loser that’s in office right now…
At least the GOP has candidates with “back grounds” and “credentials” as opposed to the misterious Mombasa Messiah community organizer.
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Are you some kind of racist?
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Well according to YOUR standard…. everyone not in “love”with YOUR messiah is a “racist”
Oh, did you hear the latest?
Yeah, the State of Georgia has found the Mombasa Messiah lacking proper paper work.
No real birth certificate, seems that multilayered pdf forgery on the Whitehouse web page won’t pass the “straight face test”
And
The Messiah can’t work in America either, since that Conneticut SSN wouldn’t pass E-verify, seems the real owner died in HI and his Grandmother issued him that number for convenience since she worked in the probate records department.
Oh…
And not to mention that BOTH parents must be US Citizens. And afterall Barack Sr was a Mombassa Kenyan British subject….
That seems to be a problem too?
AND FINALLY….
NO… I am NOT a racists
TEA
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Why does the government continue to waste time and money trying to arrest and catch the ones involved in marijuana when my state is one of the WORST for meth labs! Meth labs can blow up and that is a hundred times worse than growing a plant! It is being done in vehicles and in homes that also house children! But yet marijuana is the worst thing according to our government! Marijuana does not cause hallucinations like bath salts, heroin, cocaine, meth, and pills! No wonder our government is in the hole with nothing to show for it….its because they are wasting time and money on petty things! I honestly believe that our country should not stick their heads where they dont belong too! Instead of jumping in to every dispute that happens over seas and protecting other countries for free for that country but on our dime. Charge those countries for our services to them! Then maybe we wouldn’t be so far in the whole from the efforts and costs of our military expenses! I am a normal citizen that pays taxes and abides by the laws and I am a hardworking mother and going to school for two associates degrees fulltime while working fulltime and I have more common sense than the government that is in place and can understand this stuff and know how to improve things so why dont they get it?! Why?! Because they are being bought off by lobbyists, companies, and the like with their own personal agendas that doesn’t want to see politicians take money away from them and spread the wealth out across the board to us normal citizens…..its crap and it needs to stop we need to have someone in the top office whose first concern is the citizens of the US and what is best for them! Ron Paul is that man! (P.S. Kudos to his son for standing up for us against the TSA!)
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The current crop of repug candidates are in a race to the bottom of the cesspool. I wouldn’t vote for any of then for dogcatcher, more or less POTUS.
Obama made a great SOTU speech hitting many issues right on the nose. We’re tired of the rich, corrupt politicians and corporations running America, it’s time for the people to take over.
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Lucky85,
So am I “tired” of the corrupt politicians both Dems and Repugs
Don’t be niave and think for a moment that the Dems (Lord Obama and Nancy) will bring you properity. They too have YOUR demise planned and their wealth secured by the new friendlier gestapo TSA.
Yes you may not be so “Lucky85″ if the Mombasa Messiah has another years to drive in the final stake to destroy our economy by cooking and eating the rich .
If you believe that the SOTU was anything but a hollow and meaningless propoganda speach, then YOU are the Zombi it was intended to animate.
Our Union taught scrool chillen are sooooo….. dull as intended
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Another racist post, you’re really on a roll.
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I just have a question out there for everybody.Did you see the state of the union address,and does anybody think that Obama’s going to invesigate the banking fraud that wen’t on during the early bubble?I personally think nothing is going to be done and if they do,they will blame some lower level patsy.How can Obama investigate his on cronies?Like the 9/11 commission report how useful was that report.Just a waste of money.I think that’s what’s going to happen here..
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Yes I did Watch the SOTU…
My gag reflex was going tilt.
Banking Investifation? Are you kidding?.
That’s like the Fox promising to post a special guard on the Hen House, yeah sure!
What most ignorant LIBERALS don’t understand is that the Government is the CAUSE of the BUBBLE. The forced banks to make the loans and then had Bawney Fwank had Fannie and Freddie buy the subprime=worthless paper. IF the banks refused to make these bogus loans, Janet Reno was given special powers to SUE the banks and coerce them to make the loans.
Among a few dozen other lies that were in that 90 minute bucket of swill.
Please Spare US
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The is what one reporter wrote about Manning.For those who are not familiar with Bradley Manning he is the soldier that leaked classified documents to wikileaks to show the American people atrocities being commited in the name of freedom,something that our media don’t want the American people to know anything about.Know he is being totured and faces life in a military prison.I’m not saying he doesn’t deserve to be punished because i don’t know all the facts, but my question is this…Just look it up!!
Wikileaks Leak Reveal Bush Administration Leaks.
Bush Administration Leaks Details of an Immigration…
Bush Administration Blocked Probe of Suspected Leaks….
How many people were prosecuted for all the leaks that the Bush administration were responsible for?.Also where are all the reporters with there strong beliefs of supporting the security of the U.S?(like this reporter wrote)…
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Reporter:”Bradley Manning is nothing more than a traitor”.. Seems to be a double standard here!!!
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I am sorry to say that the person you claim to be at 14% is only at 13%, The funny thing about this is that statistics stated on the news yesterday, 35% of white americans are on foos stamps, 23% of black americans are on food stamps and only 10% of Hispanics are on foos stamps.. If Ron Paul was really a fabulous american than i belive he would be the one winning the heart of all american Republicans.. it all seems to be a total fail….
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I just saw a breakdown of foodstamps on the news. 70% were hispanics, 18%black
12% caucasians. People should get their facts straight. Illegals going to public schools is wrong. Foodstamps or any other give away to illegals is wrong. Cut these out and they would leave voluntarily.
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http://www.littleredumbrella.com/2012/01/lets-be-clear-ron-paul-fucking-sucks.html
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Hi Ace81,
Yep… I sure like those “Little Red Umbrella” top 20 lists.
Thems exactly WHY Ron Paul makes sense to me.
Because it really pisses off the LEFT wing Marxist Central Planners.
If we don’t DO those 20 things SOON…. There won’t be an American.
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I like #10 where it says Ron Paul believes that the U.N is part of a plot to create a one world gov’t.Yea that cooky old Paul he has no clue,or maybe he knows all to well what’s going on in our government
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RP made a very good showing in the SC primary, 4 years ago he got 4%, this time he’s at 14%.
His message is getting through to the people, although probably not fast enough to make a real difference.
Even Gingrich said that Pauls message is right on and agrees that the FED must be audited.
I track the financial news, WSJ, Barrons, etc. media and the FED published data (what a joke).
Marc Faber of “Boom, Gloom and Doom” is saying that the US Treasuries are “Junk Bonds” and are too high a risk to invest in, especially not long term.
Thus far, the FED has been able to use smoke and mirror cyber cash transfers to cover their massive money laudering schemes. And the recent discovery that the FED issued $17.7 Trillion in loans to both American and Foreign banks and business is due in most part because Ron Paul introduced legislation amending the banking reform bill to provide some minor audits.
If and when the full truth becomes known…. even the “sheeple” will riot in the street.
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@Citizen
Yea,now they agree that the fed should be audited,were was there support when Paul tried to get this legislation passed..They agree now because they want to be elected..Just like Obama with squashing the S.O.P.A. bill.If he wasn’t running for President again it would have been signed into law on a night when the American people were all asleep to wake and find the internet gone along with much of our freedoms!!!
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The SOPA and PIPA legislation will return with revised language to make it sound “reasonable” and “justified”.
More Progressive market place intrusions and convoluted laws that will allow massive intrustions all in the name of “protecting special interests”
The net result,
WE American’s will lose more Freedoms and Government will gain more power to control our lives.
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@Citizen “The SOPA and PIPA legislation will return with revised language to make it sound ‘reasonable’ and ‘justified’.”
A reliable prediction. A recent guest post on meteorologist Anthony Watts’ AGW-skeptical Web site has in the past few days “gone viral.”
Alec Rawls had written there (see http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/01/20/regulatory-czar-wants-to-use-copyright-protection-mechanisms-to-shut-down-rumors-and-conspiracy-theories/#comment-870673 ):
“As Congress considers vastly expanding the power of copyright holders to shut down fair use of their intellectual property, this is a good time to remember the other activities that Obama’s ‘regulatory czar’ Cass Sunstein wants to shut down using the tools of copyright protection. For a couple of years now, Sunstein has been advocating that the ‘notice and take down’ model from copyright law should be used against rumors and conspiracy theories, ‘to achieve the optimal chilling effect.’”
I recommend reading the full post.
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“Here’s freedom to him who would speak;
“Here’s freedom to him who would write;
“For there’s none ever feared that the truth should be heard;
“Save he who the truth would indict”
— Robert Burns
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The argument here is what appears in the Public Forum eventually becomes public domain.
Once it’s posted on the Internet, it becomes a public domain item.
Those who publish copyright materials illegally are subject to copyright law enforcement, they should be punished. But the Hollywood whine is not a ligitimate reason to oppress the freedoms of millions of internet users because of a few thousand law breakers.
More Importantly
The “Regime” seeks this power to shut down entire internet domains as a ploy to promote it’s PROPAGANDA.
Our government has grown more intrusive and is seeking to surpress ALL discent, as they seek to accomplishs this control via expanded regulations.
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The way the media treats future President Paul shows just how out of control our country has gotten. The Ultra Powerful do not want Ron in charge. I wonder why. Hmmmm
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I hope the repugs pick the Pillsbury Dough Boy Newt, it will make Obama’s job easy to get elected.
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@lucky85 – “I hope the repugs pick the Pillsbury Dough Boy Newt, it will make Obama’s job easy to get elected.”
Can’t disagree with the fact that slotting Gingrich at the top of the Red Faction’s ticket is one of Odumbo’s last best hopes to continue his criminal occupation of public office.
The other well-established “give-it-to-the-Illegal-Alien” contestant, of course, is Rick Santorum, a sanctimonious dork (see http://lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo226.html ) who lost re-election to the U.S. Senate from Pennsylvania in 2006 by the largest margin in the history of the Commonwealth.
And this in spite of the fervent religious conservatism within “The T” (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsyltucky ) that had propelled Santorum into the Senate in 1994 and sustained him through the 2000 elections.
It seems that the religious pseudoconservatives this year are attempting suicidally to convince their followers to push Santorum forward in lieu of Willard Mittney (the LDS cultist) and Newt (“if its Tuesday, the gal in bed with me is my latest mistress”) Gingrich.
But isn’t it nice to have this “lucky” schmuck admitting openly that his purpose in this forum is to ensure that his beloved President-With-an-Asterisk gets re-elected to continue the National Socialist campaign to turn these United States into a larger edition of Greece?
Jeez, no wonder “lucky” keeps pushing the AGW fraud.
It’s all part of the “Liberal” fascist effort to destroy the economy upon which you and your families depend for your very lives.
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Yeah, right, sure, it’s actually nutbags like you and the slimy newt that created the
financial crisis, and couldn’t care less about “We the People”. The G(et) O(urs) P(arty) of courruption is only concerned with keeping the status quo of screwing the American peoiple.
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@lucky85 – “it’s actually nutbags like you and the slimy newt [who] created the financial crisis, and couldn’t care less about ‘We the People’.”
Jeez, ain’t it wonderful? Like Dr. Paul, I’m an advocate of Austrian School political economics and therefore a vociferous proponent of the abolition of the Federal Reserve System and the re-introduction of sound, commodities-backed circulating currency, and now this fantastical idiot wants to accuse ME – as a political ally of Newt (the guy with the zipper control problem) Gingrich – of having “created the financial crisis.”
Lord, I do hope I never have to undertake cardiopulmonary resuscitation on this “lucky” schmuck. To get at his airway, I’d have to pry his head out of his ass.
Hm. I’ve never before considered the possibility that you could get an endotracheal tube in place with the use of a fiberoptic sigmoidoscope, but with “lucky” it’s either that or a laparotomy….
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I think you’re the one with your head up your kiester on most issues, and I’m sure the smell isn’t good.
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@lucky85 – [yet more pointless off-topic whining]
Yeah, sure. “Nice doggie! Nice doggie!”
(Now where the hell is a nice big rock…?)
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@lucky85
I’m forever amazed at how ignorant the Progressive kool aid drinkers are and how hate filled they become when thier sacred earth gods are summarily dismissed as frauds.
And common of the breed is, “Lucky” the two left legged dog. And Lucky will be the first to TAKE other peoples wealth, health and lives to satisfy his Green Utopian world.
Lucky’s watermellon agenda “spares nobody’s expense”. Lucky has no problem disposing of other people’s lives for the New Utopian Earth
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You’re the one living in make-believe land, get your tiny head out of the sand, or your @ss.
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GO NEWT!
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u suck ron paul
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I live in Massachusetts,when i went to wikipedia to look somthing up,it read that they were closing down for 24 hours because of the new S.O.P.A. bill as there way of fighting this unconstititional treasonist legislation.They asked for everyone to write there State Rep condemming this horrible atrocity,so i felt it my obligation to write and ths is what i said..
Hi Senator Brown,i am writing to ask you to please vote no on the S.O.P.A bill.Americans are aware that in the recent past we have been losing alot of our freedoms,and this legislation is onther attack on our freedoms.I belive any Politiction thats votes yes on this Bill will be seen by the American people as a vote against the people and not in there best intrests.If you are in office to represent the people a clear vote of no on this bill is the only action.Thank you…
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@lastwraith – Continued -
…whereupon the audience in the theater broke into a roar of approval. My wife and I looked around and I realized that the average American had perceived the fraud that the “HMO” concept represents, and hated it as much as us doctors do.
Now, this “Fucking H.M.O. bastard pieces of shit!” exclamation was anything BUT “playground language.” It was a fervent expression of exasperation and hatred at having been deceived, manipulated, and otherwise treated contemptibly by people in positions of power and responsibility.
And when it comes to those “H.M.O. bastard pieces of shit,” it really is “their technical name.”
Now, when you get straight in your mind the facts of the anthropogenic global warming (AGW) fraud – as it appears you really don’t – the MILDEST thing you will feel impelled to say about these “bastard pieces of shit” – including this “lucky” asswipe – will be expressions of hatred suitable for blistering paint off the walls.
That – and much, much more – you will find to suit the category of “their technical name,” and you’ll know it.
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I got the posts mixed up,I was looking at another post.plus I don’t see you insulting people,just making your point which is easy to do when you stick to reason.
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Yeah, I don’t really think you’re winning too many friends with your style of argument. I am actually mostly trying to agree with you but you’re making it fairly difficult.
I already said that I agreed Ron Paul’s fervent belief in personal freedoms and that the federal gov’t should stay the heck out of the way in the majority of matters (leaving most things up to state and local gov’ts) would render unimportant his personal beliefs on most divisive issues (global warming, abortion, etc). So I actually don’t disagree with you. No need to harp on what we both agree on.
Use of diction from the Roman Catholic Church really isn’t necessary, also, it’s pretty much confined to the choosing of popes. I don’t think you’ll find people throwing around “in petto” in everyday conversation. But congrats on forcing me to look that obscure phrase up.
“As for “global warming,” what do you believe – as opposed to what you KNOW, by way of evidence ”
-I honestly have no clue what you mean by this sentence. You try to differentiate between “believing” and “knowing”, grammatically attaching “by way of evidence” to belief, though I would think if I had evidence for something I would be more inclined to know than believe it. IE: we have evidence for gravity so I KNOW it’s real, there is no evidence that Elvis is still alive so I might BELIEVE he’s alive (I don’t) but I can’t really KNOW it. Grammatical bitchiness aside, who cares what I think about global warming, I’m not up for Presidential election. For that matter, I don’t care what you or “lucky” think either.
Your story about name calling is heartwarming but not really applicable to what I was saying. If you can’t see the difference between a mother being exasperated that an HMO doesn’t really care if her son dies or not (in a movie mind you) and you and another internet commenter name calling because you can’t have a civil argument on a candidate’s forum (who is all about free speech btw) then you are probably also beyond my ability to convince you how bad it looks.
It’s a huge turn off to go to any forum and see people monopolizing posts who are viciously name calling and slinging around partisan bullet-points. It’s an even more large turn off when it’s on the forum for a candidate who argues to protect the rights of all people to have a voice, even when he disagrees with their message.
My main point was that it’s not JUST about the message you are trying to convey, it’s also largely about HOW you convey that message. People are more inclined to tune out your posts (and opinions) when you type in ALL CAPS and scream at other people like a 12 year old boy. Similarly, they are more likely to tune you out when you needlessly attack other people even if you do happen to raise valid points in the process.
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“We agreed amicably to disagree, ”
Basically this is what I’d love to see more of online. I don’t understand why people can’t debate topics without taking it personally and attacking the other participant. More civil argument is a GOOD thing. Otherwise the world would be really damn boring and probably a lot worse off. If you can agree to amicably disagree with Dr. Paul I’m confused as to why you are unable to do the same with “lucky” and others. Certainly those arguing against you share in the blame, as it takes more than 1 to continue a flame war, but it’d be a lot more fun to see you both try to convince each other without all the hate embedded on both sides. I think everyone learns from a good discussion, each side is forced to re-examine their beliefs and either strengthen them or adjust them. Calling each other names does nothing good though. The arguers learn nothing except how creative they can be at name calling and those who come across the exchange learn nothing except that they are likely better off not posting to a forum where the mods are asleep at the wheel.
Lastly, I love how the whole forum layout just changed in like, the last 2 days.
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You are the scumiest of scumbags, and a blithering idiot besides. You can’t see plain evidence before you because of your pottie-mouthed blinders.
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@lastwraith – Continued -
And then we come to your prissiness about “playground name calling”
In 1997, my wife nagged me into taking her to see the popular chick flick *As Good As It Gets*. The one part that I found interesting was rather early in the film.
The female love interest character, a single parent living with her mother and her small son, was much distracted and upset by her child’s recurring exacerbations of bronchial asthma. Though she had HMO “insurance” coverage, the little boy was repeatedly suffering acute respiratory distress necessitating visits to hospital Emergency Departments, and this bothered the protagonist (played by Jack Nicholson), who was infatuated with her.
Nicholson’s character indirectly induced a doctor to make a housecall the next time the boy’s asthma acted up, and in that visit the doctor evaluated the kid, stabilized him, and sat at the kitchen table with the two women, explaining that diagnostic testing (probably a RAST panel) could probably discern the boy’s allergies and then a process of hyposensitization – “allergy shots” – could blunt the youngster’s immune response, reducing the frequency and severity of his asthma attacks.
So why hadn’t the HMO doctors told her about this. Because, explained the visiting doctor, these tests and treatments cost money. Not as much as these ER visits, but the HMO was certainly run by bean-counting “suits” who knew nothing about genuine health care economics. The dialogue in the movie then went like so:
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Carol Connelly: Fucking H.M.O. bastard pieces of shit!
Beverly Connelly: Carol! Carol Connelly: Sorry.
Dr. Martin Bettes: It’s okay. Actually, I think that’s their technical name.
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@lastwraith – “Ron Paul’s beliefs that I don’t particularly share (creationism, anti-abortion, global warming not a pressing threat) are mostly going to be nullified because of his stance on the role of the federal gov’t.”
My own disagreements with Dr. Paul on the matter of a woman’s right to voluntarily terminate her own pregnancy if she so desires I’d made known to him when we’d met and spoke more or less privately at a convention a couple of decades ago. We agreed amicably to disagree, knowing that the abortion issue is the one that the enemies of liberty are counting upon to break up the freedom movement.
His belief in creationism is irrelevant because (as I’ve observed here) he properly understands that officers of the federal government have no legitimate role whatsoever in setting school curricula. What anyone chooses to believe – publicly or in petto – is a matter of personal conscience, and of no matter when it comes to public office.
As for “global warming,” what do you believe – as opposed to what you KNOW, by way of evidence – about the cause thereof, and does it have anything at all to do with the increase in atmospheric CO2 content by way of the combustion of petrochemical fuels?
As for what might and might not be “nullified,” do you yet realize that the matters of which you speak – “the role of the federal govt.” – are being discussed by average Americans as they have NEVER been discussed in my own lifetime or those of my “Greatest Generation” parents?
When the “establishment” politicians of both wings in the Boot-On-Your-Neck Party permanent “bipartisan” incumbency have hitherto prevented such discussion from taking place, this is a significant achievement on Dr. Paul’s part in and of itself.
And I do hold that if he is denied the Republican Party presidential nomination, Dr. Paul should run an independent campaign in the November elections.
The Republican establishment has to be taught that if they want to deny the American people a real voice in the contest of ideas we experience in these elections, it’s going to cost them something, and KEEP costing them something, until either they yield to the freedom movement and join us in the restoration of the U.S. Constitution or they continue their slide into irrelevance and just merge with the National Socialist Democrat American Party (NSDAP) which they’re laughingly supposed to be contesting.
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@lastwraith – “It’s a little surprising (and disturbing) to see people argue like children (‘twathead’, ‘putz’, etc) on the forum of a candidate who stands strongly for free speech.”
When such terms are employed in the address of the “Liberal” fascist jerks who troll this site BECAUSE Dr. Paul “…the most genuine candidate on the Republican side” (and thus engages their profound hatred), it’s merely a matter of taxonomic precision.
Read through the exchanges in these fora between these “twathead” types (not a bad descriptor; mind if I borrow it?) and those of us who defend constitutional civil government in the maintenance of rule-of-law and the protection of individual human rights (not to mention scientific integrity in the discussion of the preposterous fraudulent contentions called “man-made global climate change,” and you’ll discover that these “twatheads” are indisputably evil in their intentions and odious in their conduct.
Might as well call ‘em as they are.
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@Tucci78
You are a freakin idiot. You probably are in the creationist club and believe the earth is
6000 years old:
“What the science says…Direct observations find that CO2 is rising sharply due to human activity. Satellite and surface measurements find less energy is escaping to space at CO2 absorption wavelengths. Ocean and surface temperature measurements find the planet continues to accumulate heat. This gives a line of empirical evidence that human CO2 emissions are causing global warming.
The line of empirical evidence that humans are causing global warming is as follows:
We’re raising CO2 levels
Human carbon dioxide emissions are calculated from international energy statistics, tabulating coal, brown coal, peat, and crude oil production by nation and year, going back to 1751. CO2 emissions have increased dramatically over the last century, climbing to the rate of 29 billion tonnes of CO2 per year in 2006 (EIA).
. Over the last 250 years, atmospheric CO2 levels have increased by about 100 parts per million. Currently, the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere is increasing by around 15 gigatonnes every year.”
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@lucky85- “The line of empirical evidence that humans are causing global warming is as follows:
“We’re raising CO2 levels…”
…and a welter of numbers.
Congratulations. You can copy-and-paste.
However, that is not EVIDENCE that any statistically significant global climate warming has been caused (or could ever be caused) by that trace anthropogenic increase in a trace component of the Earth’s atmosphere.
Even were there correlation (and over the past decade, there simply isn’t), correlation is not causation.
For example, you, “lucky,” at this moment, have enough potassium in your body to kill you outright. Were a partial quantity of that element to be released from your tissues into your bloodstream, you’d be absolutely, irretrievably dead within the canonical five minutes.
Yet you’re not, because almost all that potassium is intracellular and therefore not physiologically available to kill you.
Simply copying bullshit fraudster talking points about anthropogenic carbon dioxide (aCO2) does nothing at all to present a reasoned argument supporting you idiot repetition of the Watermelon contention that the combustion of petrochemical fuels is in any way causative of planetary climate change.
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99 percent of respected climatologists say you are wrong. Anyone looking at the rate of glacial metldown should be quite alarmed.
This was a done deal years ago, you’re beating a dead horse, you also probably believe there are sasquatch, and little green men running around.
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@lucky85 – “99 percent of respected climatologists say you are wrong. Anyone looking at the rate of glacial metldown should be quite alarmed.”
False statement.
Actually, what you’re idiotically groping for (as we’ve discussed on the Global Warming thread) was considered only a few days ago on THIS thread, with a link to an online analysis of your idiocy. See (again) http://joannenova.com.au/2011/01/what-does-it-take-for-a-worldwide-consensus-just-75-opinions/
From that source I quote (again):
“The number stems from a 2009 online survey of 10,257 earth scientists, conducted by two researchers at the University of Illinois. The survey results must have deeply disappointed the researchers – in the end, they chose to highlight the views of a subgroup of just 77 scientists, 75 of whom thought humans contributed to climate change. The ratio 75/77 produces the 97% figure that pundits now tout.
“The two researchers started by altogether excluding from their survey the thousands of scientists most likely to think that the Sun, or planetary movements, might have something to do with climate on Earth – out were the solar scientists, space scientists, cosmologists, physicists, meteorologists and astronomers. That left the 10,257 scientists in disciplines like geology, oceanography, paleontology, and geochemistry that were somehow deemed more worthy of being included in the consensus. The two researchers also decided that scientific accomplishment should not be a factor in who could answer – those surveyed were determined by their place of employment (an academic or a governmental institution). Neither was academic qualification a factor – about 1,000 of those surveyed did not have a PhD, some didn’t even have a master’s diploma.”
You ignored that post earlier, “lucky.” Want to tuck tail between your legs and squirm away from it again?
Your continuing problem, you blithering idiot, is that you still have no EVIDENCE that anthropogenic carbon dioxide (aCO2) has had anything whatsoever to do with the slow, relatively steady rate of global average temperature increase since about 1700 AD, nor that it could ever have such an effect.
Yes, the planet has been warming for the past three centuries.
No, the purposeful combustion of petrochemical fuels hasn’t got a damned thing to do with it.
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Congratulations, you win the prize for most lies in one post. It’s always funny to watch an “educated” fool at work.
The evidence for rapid climate change is compelling:
“Sea level rise
Global sea level rose about 17 centimeters (6.7 inches) in the last century. The rate in the last decade, however, is nearly double that of the last century.”
“Global temperature rise
All three major global surface temperature reconstructions show that Earth has warmed since 1880. 5 Most of this warming has occurred since the 1970s, with the 20 warmest years having occurred since 1981 and with all 10 of the warmest years occurring in the past 12 years. 6 Even though the 2000s witnessed a solar output decline resulting in an unusually deep solar minimum in 2007-2009, surface temperatures continue to increase. ”
“Warming oceans
The oceans have absorbed much of this increased heat, with the top 700 meters (about 2,300 feet) of ocean showing warming of 0.302 degrees Fahrenheit since 1969.8″
“Shrinking ice sheets
The Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets have decreased in mass. Data from NASA’s Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment show Greenland lost 150 to 250 cubic kilometers (36 to 60 cubic miles) of ice per year between 2002 and 2006, while Antarctica lost about 152 cubic kilometers (36 cubic miles) of ice between 2002 and 2005″
And there is much more, put that in your pipe and smoke it.
http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
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@lucky85
Glaciers have been forming and melting for millions and millions of years.Our sea level has been rising and lowering for millions and millions of years and will continue to do so long after the human spices are gone and that the facts.If you want to fall for the carbon tax scam,THATS ON YOU!!!!DO some research or don’t thats what there counting on.
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And glaciers have been melting for millions of years. There were long periods where there were no glaciers when the supercontinent Pangea existed. All this , however, has nothing to do with the cost of tea in China. It’s been proven with certainty that mans activitites are causing glacial meltdown that is accelerating at an alarming rate. The sideeffects from this global warming is already being felt, and will become a major cause of havoc in the nect 50-hundred years, where millions could become displaced due to envionmental changes, and/or wars for disappearing natural resources.
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@lucky85 – Gotta love it when this “lucky” asshole blatantly and irretrievably proves (yet again) just how STUPID he is, and how completely incompetent one has to be to keep pushing the AGW fraud.
In response to my repeated observation of the fact that the charlatans masquerading as “the consensus” in climatology have provided “…no EVIDENCE that anthropogenic carbon dioxide (aCO2) has had anything whatsoever to do with the slow, relatively steady rate of global average temperature increase”
…we get from this “lucky” doofus:
“You have no evidence that is has NOT had anything to do with it.”
As I’d posted in the “Global Warming” thread, one of the characteristics of such “scientists” perpetrating the AGW fraud is that they fail to adhere to the rules of logic and reason. Obviously, so do schmucks like “lucky.” In the present instant, the blithering idiot is demanding that a disputant PROVE A NEGATIVE.
In scientific discourse (not to mention formal debate) that’s enough, right there, to have “lucky” thrown out on his ass.
In all of the sciences, a proposition is devised to explain observed physical phenomena in the real universe and thereby present a mechanism which should operate in future to cause certain other phenomena to come into existence. There is then investigation to determine the validity of that proposition.
To advance the proposition in the first place, the person doing the job has to provide EVIDENCE – valid observations of things that had happened – which support what he thinks to be a reliable idea of how and why the phenomena under discussion came into existence.
If he can’t do that – if he can’t provide EVIDENCE that can be confirmed by others repeating his observations – his proposition is considered to have failed.
Nobody has to provide “counter-evidence” (as our AGW asshole idiotically demands). All that has to be understood is that the presenter’s contention has no basis in objective fact – no EVIDENCE – and we just throw it out the window as blunder and/or fantasy.
Or fraud.
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@lucky85 – Hm. Might could be that the particular asshole posting under the handle “Pon Raul” isn’t the same asshole posting as “lucky85.”
Not that “lucky” doesn’t warrant excoriation at all times and everywhere he feculates.
Heavens, all these AGW Watermelon True Believers do seem to be identical in their stupidity and their adherence to the Algorean yammering script, don’t they?
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@lucky85@Tucci78
You are to smart to be sucked in by these types of people.Stop insulting it takes away from your credibility.In my eyes your voice is the one of clear reason and it’s obvious…
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@cukester@lucky85 – “Stop insulting it takes away from your credibility.”
What d’you mean “insulting”? Haven’t I already made the case for considering such taxonomically precise descriptors as “their technical name”?
Confess, cukester; haven’t you gotten more than just a little bit sick and tired yet of treating euphemistically with these lying, thieving, authoritarian enemies of humanity?
Like metastatic cancers and gas gangrene, they are what they are. What virtue is there in characterizing them as any less malignant and otherwise dangerously diseased?
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@Tucci78
ABSOLUTELY!!!
Why mince words with these nit wits? They have no new thought provoking information, just “cut-n-paste” rehash from bogus websites.
My personal pet peeve is the Sound Money debate, which for me is the root cause of all of the “Progressive” brain fart programs they have no money to pay for, EXCEPT to print more and steal it.
Please Keep up your great comments….
p.s. Do you watch “House”
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Yes I watch House,not religiously but I’ve seen about 10 episodes.
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@Citizen – “My personal pet peeve is the Sound Money debate, which for me is the root cause of all of the “Progressive” brain fart programs they have no money to pay for, EXCEPT to print more and steal it.”
You might do well to look into the Ludwig von Mises Institute’s Web site to find full free access to the PDF version of economist Murray Rothbard’s incendiary *What Has Government Done to Our Money?* and even look for Irwin Schiff’s excellent *How an Economy Grows (And Why It Doesn’t)*.
You and Dr. Paul aren’t the only ones who’ve perceived “official” counterfeiting as the key malignant factor in the destruction of our economy and our society.
As for “House,” I’ve seen a few episodes, but I’m knocked completely out of my willing suspension of disbelief when faced with the proposition that they’re portraying a whole medical service – made up not only of a senior attending but a cluster of what are obviously FELLOWS (not just residents, but much older, more advanced, board-certified or board-eligible specialist physicians in their own right) doing pretty much nothing but taking on one clinical case at a time to the exclusion of all other work.
This is simply not how things happen – even in a sophisticated medical center – when it comes to teaching services. These people would be BURIED under caseloads each full of damned sick inpatients, not to mention outpatient obligations far beyond the few encounters Dr. House is arm-twisted into by the nagging administrator(s).
I like to call this “the Marcus Welby syndrome” in honor of that hoary old AMA-endorsed television show which gave an absolutely bizarre impression of what us primary care grunts go through in the course of an average day or week in clinical practice.
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@Tucci78
I’ve attended and on line class (Austrian Business Cycles) at the Mises Institute and read their daily gallery of essays… really good stuff.
As for House, I have no illusions about the authenticity of that show. Clearly House wouldn’t make it in the “real world” of medical clinical practice.
But I like your no BS edgy responses, reminds me of the character that’s all.
Thanks for your contributions
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I feel the same way in every fiber of my body!!!!!
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@Citizen – “But I like your no BS edgy responses, reminds me of the character that’s all.”
Er, “edgy”? Moi?
My wife can’t stand to watch *House*, but not for the reasons I’d mentioned. It’s simply that she watches television as a distraction, to take her mind off her day-to-day humdrum existence.
She doesn’t want to spend an hour confronting a fictional version of ME when she could be watching something on the Lifetime channel.
Or (from her perspective, worse) listening to me pick the plot points apart from teaser to final credits.
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@Tucci78
I can’t imagine your wife being bored with YOU around…
But I know what you mean, my wife tells me “shusss” if I attempt to make any comment about the programs, its best to just stuff it.
Poor delusional Lucky85, you have to feel sorry for him, he’s just another simpleton victim of the new Mother Earth Religion where they scarifice there integrity and credibility attempting to defend the indefensible.
Those Progressives really don’t have any shame do they?
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Tucci78 has credibility? All I see is him using dirty words, and misrepresenting the facts
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@Citizen Maybe you donot know the extent that manmade global warming has become, but many species, expecially ocean species, are very suscestible to changes in temperature. This means that thousands of species have gone extinct just to the GW that has gone on so far. Global warming also can induce more and more global warming due to feedback mechanisms, which accerelate the effect rapidly. We are playing with fire here, and need to change our ways rapidlky, although we are probably past the point of no return.
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@lucky85@Citizen – “This means that thousands of species have gone extinct just to the GW that has gone on so far. Global warming also can induce more and more global warming due to feedback mechanisms, which accelerate the effect rapidly.”
Properly, this should be addressed on the “Global Warming” thread on this Web site.
All of the “lucky” putz’s flagrantly fallacious noise above has been discussed and appropriately addressed on that page, but I’ll direct the interested reader’s attention to efforts successfully undertaken by science educator Joanne Nova in 2009 (pre-Climategate) regarding those “feedback mechanisms” that this flaming idiot yelps about.
Look to http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/sh1/the_skeptics_handbook_2-3_lq.pdf and the more recent http://joannenova.com.au/2011/03/new-here-the-ten-second-guide-to-the-world-of-skeptics/
In the latter source we read:
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So why are we told the Armageddon of 3.5 degrees, or 6 degrees is coming!? Because their computer simulations assume that humidity will rise, stick around, and that water vapor (which is a more powerful greenhouse gas) will amplify that warming (along with cloud changes and other effects). This is called positive feedback. But, there is no empirical (by observation) evidence that net feedbacks (mostly clouds and humidity) will amplify the warming in the long run.
Humidity will rise, sure, but it can rain out or form low clouds. This is what the trillion dollar bet is about. Will humidity hang around and thicken the “blanket”, or not? While the simulations say “yes”, the observations say “No”. Measurements of satellites, cloud cover changes, 3,000 ocean bouys, 6,000 boreholes, and 28 million weather balloons looking at temperature or humidity can’t find the warming that the models predict. The heat is not in the upper troposphere (the hot spot is missing) and, importantly, while ocean heat has been rising for decades, it isn’t rising fast enough. There is no hidden heat accumulating there.
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As in all other regards, “lucky” keeps proving remarkably UNlucky.
You’d think that by now he’d have learned to have quit sticking his teensy needledick into the wall socket, wouldn’tcha?
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If people are so worried about global warming wahy don’t they consintrate on all the rain forest being cut down or theses Moron’s flying around in there own private jets.These people couldn’t know the truth if it was right in front of them.If people opened there eyes they see that the very people telling them the lies are the ones that are perpetrating them.Just look at them with there yacht’s and all there consumption.Then they tell us the working man to cut back and watch for the global warming monster!!!People please wake up and stop falling for all of this nonsence.
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@lucky85 YES I appreciate that there has been SOME manmade contribution to the earths eco system. The amount of the negative contribution is under review and in dispute.
The recent “false fabrications” of the data didn’t help YOUR cause that drastic actions are needed. But I do agree there is need to continue to curtail carbon energy uses and switch to renewable energy. I’ve personally been in the Solar busines since the late 70′s.
I’ve also attended a seminar at the U. of Texas 2009 for algea fuel oil resource development, but the technology is still years maybe decades before the economics makes it viable,
But the much BIGGER THREAT is the financial disaster that is looming over America. The Government Debt and Spending crises are a far greater and near term threat than the environmental issues, which I agree are serious.
But when the USD fails… all out civil war will be upon us, and the environment will take huge hits in the malay.
Keep your chin up… buy some gold, siilver and ammunition
TEA
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@Citizen@lucky85 – “I appreciate that there has been SOME manmade contribution to the earths eco system. The amount of the negative contribution is under review and in dispute.”
The problem with the AGW fraudsters’ assertions is chiefly in what they’ve fixated upon as the putative mechanism by virtue of which they keep idiotically claiming this supposed “man-made global climate change” has taken place, or might ever in the future take place.
It’s never been disputed that the purposeful combustion of petrochemical fuels (coal, petroleum, natural gas [methane]) results in the emission into the atmosphere of impressive amounts of anthropogenic carbon dioxide (aCO2).
Nor has it ever been disputed that CO2 is one of the “greenhouse gas” components of the atmosphere.
However, what has never yet been elucidated by the AGW fraudsters is objectively verified empirical EVIDENCE that the degree of heat energy “trapping” caused by this aCO2 addition to the Earth’s atmosphere is in any way statistically significant when compared against other factors – which continue to be investigated, measured, and understood – that have far greater effects upon average global temperatures all over the Earth’s surface area, in the enormous mass of the oceans, and throughout the atmosphere.
Nor has there been presentation of any EVIDENCE that such anthropogenic global warming – even if it had occurred or were ever to occur – would be an adverse change in any aspect of the environment we inhabit.
One of the aspects of the AGW fraud that caught my attention several decades ago was that unspeakable “hockey stick graph” of historical global average temperatures, in which the Medieval Warm climate optimum – a historical fact long known and understood – had simply been made to “disappear.”
Something straight out of Orwell’s “Ministry of Truth.”
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@Citizen@lucky85 – Continued -
The reason for this astonishingly blatant lie – the suppression of the Medieval Warm period in the infamous “Hockey Stick Graph” – was that the prevailing average global temperatures of the Medieval Warm climate optimum (and during the earlier Roman Warm optimum) were far higher than those predicted by these alarmists fraudsters AND it’s well-known that agricultural productivity, adverse epidemiological events, and other quality-of-life issues were such that these climate optima were periods of prosperity, increased rates of population growth, and generally improving conditions for humanity all over the world.
The AGW fraudsters couldn’t contend that “global warming” was a BAD thing if past warming periods (which couldn’t be said to have any connection to aCO2 increases) were demonstrably associated with GOOD living conditions for mankind.
So they lied.
In civil and criminal law, this tactic is known as “suppressio veri, suggestio falsi.”
The intentional suppression of truthful information in order to lead the victim to a conclusion that is manifestly contrary to factual reality.
There are so damned MANY obvious manifestations of intentional, malevolent falsehood in the utterances of both the political predators (Pachauri, Odumbo, Algore, et alia) and the coordinated cadre of credentialed charlatans posing as “the consensus” in climate science that it’s quite remarkable that it required the exposure of their fraud by way of the Climatic Research Unit’s computer archives – Climategate 1.0 in November 2009, and again in November 2011 – to present proof positive of their conniving evil to the billions of their victims.
And yet here we experience the yammering malicious stupidity of the “Liberal” fascists – well characterized as Watermelons, “green on the outside, but red to the core” – who keep pushing this Big Lie without conscience or cease.
We do seem to be living in historically remarkable times, don’t we?
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@lucky85@Citizen
Earth is an ever changing enviornment which happens,in it’s exsistance,to make species extinct weather we like it or not.The Earth is 4 and a half billion years old and speciecs have gone extinct.This will never change even with a Global carbon tax so if you believe in man made Global warming then you are helping these corrupt people in power to get closer to there goal which is less freedom for you and more power and control for them.Congradulations!!!
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Your statement sounds like a repug knee-jerk reaction that ignores the tons of evidence proving we are a major cause of the current global warming, and are killing off other species at an alarming rate. YOu can find pictures of glaciers in rapid meltdown easily on the internet. Stick to something you know about, whatever that is.
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Last first. We’re NOT in a “period of man-made global warming.” Nothing to “believe” about it. The plainest fact of the matter is that there’s never been any evidence presented to demonstrate that the cause of any global climate warming is even remotely connected with the well-established anthropogenic trace increase in the trace atmospheric amounts of carbon dioxide.”
OK, Mr. Ostrich, get your head out of sand. This statement is blatantly false.
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@lucky85 – “This statement is blatantly false.”
To wit: “We’re NOT in a ‘period of man-made global warming.’ Nothing to ‘believe’ about it. The plainest fact of the matter is that there’s never been any evidence presented to demonstrate that the cause of any global climate warming is even remotely connected with the well-established anthropogenic trace increase in the trace atmospheric amounts of carbon dioxide.”
Again and again and again, you “lucky” asshole, where is your EVIDENCE for your blank and drooling assertion that what I’d written “is blatantly false”?
On the other hand, those of us on the skeptical side can draw upon information aggregated by science educators like Joanne Nova, who has observed:
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The long term records, the ice cores, show that temperatures rise and fall before CO2 — 800 years before, on the way “up”, and 2000-3000 years before on the way “down”. In other words, the ice core graph shows that temperature controls the carbon dioxide levels. It’s possible that CO2 provides some extra push (amplification) but if it does, its effect is so small that it can’t be seen in those graphs. See http://joannenova.com.au/wp/global-warming/ice-core-graph/ for close-ups of the famous Vostock Ice Core graph. See the lag for yourself. CO2 can’t be a major driver from 800 years in the future.
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We’ve simply got to assume that these babbling idiots’ noise about “man-made global climate change” is a matter of religious beief.
They simply have nothing in the way of EVIDENCE to support their assertions, and like His Holiness the Pope making ex cathedra pronouncements, there’s nothing about their witless yammering except as articles of faith.
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“boatloads of evidence…” that were pencil whipped fabrications to create the “hokie-stick” chart that Albert Bore (chicken little) touted as incontrovertible evidence that life on earth is terminal.”
You simply don’t know what you are talking about. That man-made global warming is real is a done deal, the evidence is overwhelming both from the monitoring of ocean temperatures, to the melting of glaciers. Now go back and play in your sandbox.
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@lucky85
Let me be clear… the “evidence” points to “climate change” but is NOT conclusive as how much is “man-made”. Assuming that humans are contributing to the climate change does not justify EXTREME MEASURES to attempt to counter act those changes.This is not the fiction Avatar moon Pandora, nor should we attempt to sacrifice humanity on the alter of Nature Worship.
Humanity has made huge improvements at mitigating carbon emissions, but the level reductions for which the EPA is calling for would reap Economical Disaster on humans world wide.
And by comparison, a single volcanic eruption spews the equivalent of nearly 10 years worth of human contributions. Lets get those plugged first before we call for economic genocide. Ergo we cannot return to some imaginary the Garden of Eden idea.
But lets first end the wars and the warfare economies that are contributing the greatest to environmental destruction.
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Romney opens 21-point lead in South Carolina: Reuters/Ipsos poll.
Doesn’t look good for Paul or any of the other candidates against Romney,
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I am asking everyone to just please look at this: If you all remember the NDAA at first wasn’t on the news or any Media what-soever—We need to share this and please do so–I have been in touch with ABC News and they are thinking on putting it on the news. I have important info, if you want to share it: https://www.facebook.com/notes/aveyah-does-watch/the-enemy-expatriation-act-also-known-as-hr-3166-and-s-1698/328255103873636 and http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h112-3166 To The Enemy Expatriation Act—GOVERNMENT SITE There’s more than SOPA-NDAA http://pastebin.com/aKU6TDGQ Dox of Rep. Charlie Dent, Sponsor of Enemy Expatriation Act MY HUSBAND AND I ACCIDENTALLY CAME ACROSS THE INFORMATION, LOOKING FOR FEMA TRAINS WITH SHACKLES. THEY HAVEN’T PUT THIS ON THE MEDIA-ABC,CBS,MSNBC,NBC AND NOT EVEN ON CHRISTIAN STATIONS. I feel people deserve to know. (THINK-NO MATTER WHAT WALK OF LIFE YOU ARE-YOU’RE FREEDOM SHOULD MEAN SOMETHING TO YOU-EVERY USA CITIZEN IS TARGETED). please? AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT, YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO STAND UP FOR YOURSELF, IF THIS IS PASSED.
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Ron Paul is providing an opportunity for discussion of issues which would not be raised without his presence on the stage – for that I am most grateful. The answers to our problems and concerns will come from the “intelligent” discussion of thoughtful minds. As to our “Constitution”, it has been amended several times – so to which version of that purported Constitution is it that one refers? Once a constituion (or an amendment to it) is passed then that is the guideline by which all citizens are bound; though dissent and freedom to express views in opposition are protected by that very same device. We all need to examine our positions and present our views in public forums and be willing to consider the issues from the perspective of others, possibly learning something in the process. Changes should not be made whimsically or capriciously but be well thought out and judiciously considered. When the majority decides who will be President of the United States, all citizens are obliged to respect that decision. Namecalling is not helpful, education and learning are what is needed which is one of the reasons I am favorably inclined to listen to Ron Paul.
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@integrity2
You have spoken correctly!
THE US Constitution has been devisily amended to permit a complete departure from the original intent.
The 16th Amendment ratified on February 3, 1913.
AND
The FED created on December 23, 1913
These 2 GOVERNMENT contrivances ARE the HAMMER and SICKLE that directly violate the Constitution and they directly permit GRAND THEFT of PRIVATE PROPERTY of the American people.
A means of funding both the numberous Wars and Welfare programs of the 20th Century WITHOUT DIRECT TAXATION!
THE means of paying for Wars and Welfare
WITHOUT
the *****Consent of the Governed!*****
Any questions?
TEA
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