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Lindsay,
I understand your point that when the Bible speaks about taking care of the poor that it is not talking about “the state” as you say. You see this as an individual responsibility. But my point was that you cannot always depend on families to help you. If you care about the poor as you should as a Christian then you should want your government to provide services to help the poor when families or charities cannot. In a perfect world the government wouldn’t have to. In a perfect world we wouldn’t need government or laws or regulations or taxes…we would all just indiviually decide what is best and what we could afford and everyone would always be kind and fair. We could all sprinkle fairy dust and fly!
It amazes me that other countries do not argue over their government providing social services to their poor, or healthcare for all of their citizens…but here in America…the richest country in the world…we argue over whether we should help the poor or provide healthcare. Why is that?
Right now in America we have the greatest disparity of income between the ultra-wealthy and the poor. 95% of our wealth is owned by the top 1%. It’s mind boggling how much control this gives them.
Enough to spend millions upon millions buying politicians and spreading propoganda that make good, honest, hard-working poor people believe that it is patriotic to fight for the rich…keep taxes low for the wealthy, less regulation, less protections for the middle class workers, etc. and these people keep fighting to keep things the same instead of working in their own best interest and the best interest of the nation. They passionately believe they are fighting for “democracy” or what the “founding fathers” wanted…but actually they are fighting for the worst form of capitalism that works to benefit only the elite few and oligarthys that the founding fathers would never have imagined the constitution supporting and which if left unchecked will be the downfall of this great nation.
Lindsay, you say that the government should provide less welfare and families should take care of their unfortunate family members. As someone who is a single mother of three who has also taken in two nephews due to “unfortunate” circumstances I must say that there is only so much that family members can do…especially since most families these days are struggling to take care of their own families. Welfare should never be given in a way that leads to dependence on Welfare, but I think that the changes to the welfare system that Clinton inacted have greatly improved the welfare system and provide tools (job placement, education, child care help, etc) to get people off welfare. As far as praying about this, that is a good idea. If you are a Christian you may also want to see what the Bible says about the poor. Jesus had a LOT to say about the poor. I mean, a LOT. The bible itself has over 300 verses related to the poor and poverty:
http://www.zompist.com/meetthepoor.html
Deut. 15:7. If there is a poor man among you, one of your brothers, in any of the towns of the land which the LORD your God is giving you, you shall not harden your heart, nor close your hand to your poor brother; but you shall freely open your hand to him, and generously lend him sufficient for his need in whatever he lacks.
Deut. 26:12. When you have finished paying the complete tithe of your increase in the third year, the year of tithing, then you shall give it to the Levite, to the stranger, to the orphan and the widow, that they may eat in your towns, and be satisfied.
Lev. 19:19ff. Now when you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not reap to the very corners of your field, neither shall you gather the gleanings of your harvest. Nor shall you glean your vineyard, nor shall you gather the fallen fruit of your vineyard; you shall leave them for the needy and for the stranger. I am the LORD your God.
Prov. 31:8ff. [Commandment to kings.] Open your mouth for the dumb, for the rights of all the unfortunate. Open your mouth, judge righteously, and defend the rights of the afflicted and needy.
Is. 58:66ff. Is this not the fast which I choose, to loosen the bonds of wickedness, to undo the bands of the yoke, and to let the oppressed go free, and break every yoke? Is it not to divide your bread with the hungry, and bring the homeless poor into the house; when you see the naked, to cover him, and not to hide yourself from your own flesh?
Jer. 22:3. Do justice and righteousness, and deliver the one who has been robbed from the power of his oppressor. Also do not mistreat or do violence to the stranger, the orphan, or the widow; and do not shed innocent blood in this place.
Luke 12:33. “Sell your possessions and give to charity; make yourselves purses which do not wear out, an unfailing treasure in heaven, where no thief comes near, nor moth destroys.”
Luke 3:11. And [John the Baptist] would answer and say to them, “Let the man with two tunics share with him who has none, and let him who has food do likewise.”
Mt. 5:42. Give to him who asks of you, and do not turn away from him who wants to borrow from you.
Among my favorites:
http://www.zondervanbiblesearch.com/ResultsPassage.aspx?Passage=Matthew+25%3A31-46
Mt 25:34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdomu prepared for you since the creation of the world.v 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in,w 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me,x I was sick and you looked after me,y I was in prison and you came to visit me.’z
Mt 25:37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
Mt 25:40 “The King will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.’a
Mt 25:41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me,b you who are cursed, into the eternal firec prepared for the devil and his angels.d 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
Mt 25:44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
Mt 25:45 “He will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’e
Ranae: It is good that you are a Christian (I assume) Note that in each verse you posted the word “you ” is used and not “the state”. Substitute “the state” for “you” in each verse and you will see what I’m talking about. These verses are about individual behavior and not behavior of government. If more individuals applied them then we probably wouldn’t be in the state that we are in regarding health care as we would have enough charity to take care of those in need along with their family support.
What’s Up With This?!
Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty, Claims British Lord
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=26474
The Copenhagen Climate Change Treaty Draft – wealth transfer defined, now with new and improved “dignity” penalty
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/10/03/the-copenhagen-treaty-draft-wealth-transfer-defined-now-with-dignity-penalty/#more-11460
Framework Convention on Climate Change
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/un-fccc-copenhagen-2009.pdf
All secret organizations must be outlawed.
And yes it certainly does matter what club the guy belongs to on his days off, just ask skull n bones members.
End political-terrorism and fascism now! While a nation consumes the planet until there’s nothing left. Nations are toppled, only for there resources. People are imprisoned for becoming a product of their environment. Super-Corporations are overtaken by the government. Good people who saved every earned penny, wake-up only to find it stolen. People’s health insurance cancelled after decades of services to a nation and to corporate thugs. As if America is set to self-destruct the baby-boom generations. People are paying far too much patrionage, and recieving far too little in return. Pretty soon, if history repeats itself, people will be forced into work-farms, planting trees in straight lines; lining up for some government cheese; and loosing everything but the welfare kids to the banks; because, the government doesn’t want to take responsibility for anything. There’s too many Chiefs and not enough Indians. Sorry, but, money can’t cure ignorance.
Here is another one
Slovenian Philosopher Slavoj Zizek on Capitalism, Health Care, Latin American “Populism”, and the “Farcical” … http://bit.ly/3rQmrt
8 Reasons Why Big Government Hurts Economic Growth
by Dan Mitchell
Center for Freedom and Prosperity
4. Behavioral Subsidy Cost
You might want to rethink this one.
This is the link for your post
Eight (8) reasons Why Big Government Hurts Economy Growth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo192DJqvYc
Totally agree that the private sector does a better job at providing efficient services. Government employees are the worst at customer service, lack the initiative to improve programs due to the heirarchy found in the government run environment. Some government employees are actually intimidated by a free-thinking employee who is accustomed to working for a buck in a competitive work world! That’s been my personal experience. Government employees lack creativity. It gets sucked right out of them from the get-go of their employment, strongly discouraged. “Just follow the rules”, of the little kingdom you happen to be working in, don’t buck the system by making improvements, and you can remain employed in government “service”. ha!
It is rather funny that Obama is not going to give the recipients of Social Security a cost of living raise but he can send billions of dollars to GMC, etc to bail them out and they still go bankrupt. He can keep printing money but not for the betterment of our nation. How can the economy get out of the recession if he takes away the money from those that need it the most and spend it for bare necessities. Does he want everyone to be on Welfare? The dollar value is going down and down.
It serves their NWO agenda. We are operating under the constitutional beliefs. They are not.
Underway is their plan for massive depopulation via the contaminated H1N1 vaccine series of vaccinations. This is occuring worldwide as we speak and will increase mid-October with the children in shcool. Your research is important to your health and the decision you will make.
http://www.theflucase.com
http://www.birdflu666.wordpress.com
Their agenda is nothing like the constitution. That’s why we see them operating in total opposition to what we would logically and normally expect from our government.
The UNITED STATES is a corporation. You can research this topic in the U.S. Code. It is behaving boldly as a corporate conglomerate (attitude included) of various businesses to gain control over all aspects of our lives (cars, financial institutions, homes, wealth, food, healthcare, media, etc.).
You might be interested in this article. It speaks to your post.
FREEDOM’S DESTRUCTION BY CONSTITUTIONAL DE-CONSTRUCTION
http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin540.htm
Complaint to stop enforced vaccinations in Washington State
http://www.theflucase.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=352%3Acomplaint-to-stop-enforced-vaccinations-in-washington-state&catid=1%3Alatest-news&lang=en
YEAH!! You can file a case as well to stop the mandatory vaccinations of our citizens! She says it’s easy. Instructions below.
http://www.theflucase.com
http://www.bird666.wordpress.com
A Guide to Filing for an Injunction in a State
http://www.theflucase.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=351%3Aa-guide-to-filing-an-injunction-in-a-state&catid=1%3Alatest-news&lang=en
The Sates are to uphold our constitutional rights!!
Liberty, not Tyranny! File a complaint in your state!
End this senseless terror inside our country!
Power is in the hands of the people! …in the constitution.
I agree Christine. I came across this the other day. It was recorded and presented in 1961 (48 years ago)How fiting today. See below:
Ronald Reagan on Socialism & Liberalism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iShCXx_xZDQ
Check this out and learn…
Ronald Reagan – Absolutely powerful and so true. We are faced with a seemingly insurmountable force against liberty, but I bet those who wrote our constitution felt the same way. We are facing the same force, not to write and design it, but to preserve the constitution. The more I read and listen, the more I see socialism… in the laws that are quickly being passed even though unread by the congressional voters. I truly think we are headed into the storm and many are not aware.
With the health care bill, so many people cannot see how the government with medical corporations have put us in a sort of tic tac toe cat’s game. Neither hear what would preserve our freedoms to choose. That is the real problem. We don’t need health insurance corporations any more than we need the government to be meddling in our lives, creating one revenue stream from our pockets to theirs one bill after another. What we need are drugs and medical care at affordable prices. Who sets the pricing? I do know that the government made it illegal for Americans to go over the border into Canada to get affordable medicines. Why? Cut into American corp’s big pharm profits? Yes. So are they really concerned about lowering the prices? No. Are they interested in depopulation, Yes. Obama appointed Holdren to be in charge of science and technology. Holdren’s interests – depopulation.
I have started to prepare with Jane Bergermeister’s case (links above) in mind. We only have a couple of months until our country will be turned upside down with a H1N1 + H5N1 pandemic and chaos, mandatory contaminated flu vaccines. Our country may never be the same afterwards if the NWO folks get their way. The UN by law has been given the authority to take control of our country in the came of chaos and a pandemic. The advice is to not riot because it will give the government the reason to hand over power to the UN (chaos).
This is so hilarious! Ronald Reagan was speaking about the evils of socialism all right…while fighting against medicaid. So all you people worried the government is going to reduce medicaid benefits to your granny…just remember…if it had been up to Ronald Reagan, we wouldn’t have medicaid or medicare! That and the fact that these programs moved forward and we didn’t “wake up one day and realized we were socialist” and “have to tell our kids what it was once like when America was a democracy!”
Everyone is afraid of the government! And who can blame people for being wary after things like watergate? The government in a democracy is supposed to work for the people. If we can spend TRILLIONS on war and taking care of hurt soldiers for years and years after they serve, then we should use money that helps HEAL PEOPLE. Call it socialism if you want, but I think if people come together and realized the benefits and voted for it –then it is a social program brought about through democracy –and a worthy cause that affects not only people but the American economy also.
Ronald Reagan was very instrumental in bringing about the mammoth divide between rich and poor in this country. Before his repeal of the progressive tax structure in which income over an amount that no one could possibly need to spend was taxed at a high rate. This tax system provided incentive to pay laborers better wages and put more wealth into the middle class. But Reagan did away with that and now the super wealthy pay less in taxes and keep more to buy our politicians so they can pay less in taxes! (See how this works)
The corporations now have a oligarchy in which the richest 1% control 95% of the wealth of our nation. The only thing that the majority has going for them is their vote. Thankfully, in a democracy every vote is equal (rich or poor) so laws can be made to enhance the lives of the majority instead of putting all of the wealth and power in the hands of a few.
The sad thing is that these Mega-Rich Corporations spend millions upon millions in propoganda and lobbying to convince the voter to vote with politicians that support “their” agendas …and against the voters own self-interest.
And once the corrupt figure out that they can lump touchy issues like abortion, gay rights, etc. with “less government – less taxes – less regulation – more help for the rich!!!” program…they have millions upon millions of decent and moral people supporting the cause that is itself “a beast” and corrupt to the core.
That is why the Bible warns of “wolves in sheeps clothing”.
Once “regular” people figure out the power of their voice and their vote…then a real revolution will come. And there will be no need for bloodshed…our democratic process is already in place if we just choose to use it.
Less government isn’t the answer…government that isn’t powered by corporations and that works FOR THE PEOPLE…that is the answer.
Medicare, medicade and social security are all broke.
With that on the government’s resume, what do you think will happen to the healthcare program they have in mind. They have a record. And they haven’t taken good care of our vets. Lots on the streets.
This government is not concerned about your health or they would not be putting chemicals in our food (GMO, genetically modified food), air (fluoride) and water (chemtrails), nor would they be selling vaccines to ruin a persons health, nor would they have put us under so much stress by stealing our wealth, homes, jobs, going for the healthcare. They have our wealth, and they want our health, all for profit, while they destroy America. A get paid while you destroy policy.
America was set up as a republic government (by the people and for the people), not a democracy (mob rule. The democracy is what is ruining America. it is not for or by the people. There is voter fraud, voting machines can be altered by a simple two-way with a cell phone, and have been. You think your vote counts. A few big corps own mainstream media, so what do you know for sure? that isn’t propaganda. The government is a federal corporation, has been since Act of 1871, so it made sense that this government would bailout big corporations (its own kind) and not worry about the welfare of the people. Big corps, the government, the military, media, education, the FED/IRS, control of our food supply (farms), ownership of home mortgages, car corps…and healthcare. What more do they need? Any revenue stream from our pockets to theirs they can create…like cap and tax.
Poke around this website and learn some little known facts about the government we now have.
http://livingquests.com
“Medicare, medicade (it’s spelled medicaid) and social security are all broke” you say. Not true. These programs are necessary and everyone (except very delusional people)know they are indispensible. They are very efficient with only 3% administration cost compared to the private healthcare industries that have up to 20% administration costs. On top of that these programs don’t hire people to deny care as the private insurance companies do. We have to make decisions all the time about funding these programs, but we will continue to work to fund them either with tax increases on the wealthy or from some other means.
You have so many government “conspiracy theories” that you subscribe to…it sounds like you want to believe the worst and it gives your life some meaning. Anti-government phobia is now considered a mental disorder. You might want to consider getting help – or just stop feeding yourself all this nonsense.
Corporations have too much power and set to many policies in America by buying politicians…but there is power in the vote. Unlike your assertion, according to actual research…voter fraud is extremely rare. Even the whole mess about ACORN was an overblown attack by FOX (faux) NEWS. ACORN did not have any instances of Voter Fraud…they had instances of people trying to commit Voter Registration Fraud, and all those instances were turned in BY ACORN to the authorities. FOX went after ACORN because ACORN does a damn good job of providing services to lower income people and getting them registered to vote.
As far as healthcare, you are fighting so hard against the government doing something beneficial for you and everyone else. Healthcare reform is necessary to protect our economic growth. We are the only industrialized nation that does not provide some form of healthcare to its citizens. And with all the talk about how flawed their healthcare systems are…they would never think about “undoing” it.
WalMart started providing prescriptions for $4.00 a month supply or $10.00 for 3 months. How did they do this? Because of their bargaining power. They have so many customers that they can negotiate a good price. The same concept would work on an even bigger scale if government provided a non-profit healthcare service. Costs would be lower and if everyone bought in the cost would be minimal. You may not understand that we (taxpayers) are already paying for healhcare for the uninsured. And not for efficient, low cost preventive care…but expensive emergency care. It would actually save money on the county and state level if we had a national healthcare system. The cost would actually balance out and everyone would have access to healthcare for less than what we are spending right now. The VA system would be a good model. Thanks to new leadership and technologies they are extremely efficient and rated by independant sources the best healthcare in America.
Instead of worrying about the government trying to pull some slight-of-hand, try to think about the people that are desperate for healthcare. The children that are denied cancer treatment, mothers denied life-saving surgeries, people losing their homes because of high medical bills. Your unfounded fear of the government is blocking reforms that would help them. “They” could be “You” someday –and you would appreciate the opportunity to live without worrying if your treatment is covered and if you can afford it.
There are congressmen and senators that are very passionate about wanting to help people and are working hard to get the changes that we need. It is the insurance industry and pharmacutical companies that are fighting against this. They want to keep their monopolies and their mammoth profits. It is a travesty for these companies to make money by denying care.
The scare tactics out there are so ridiculous. The “death panels” are one of the most absurd. A provision that would have allowed living wills, physicians directives, and other important legal documents to be covered under the healthcare bill……documents that vitally important and made willingly by the patient giving them the power to say what they want instead of leaving that decision for others to decide or fight over…and the right wing “nuts” had a fit about it. It was even introduced by a republican.
So sad that people always WANT to believe the worst and won’t do any research to find out the truth.
We need healthcare reform. We need a public option. And I personally choose to take the side of the people and not the corporations.
Bernie Sanders unfiltered..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5rcnAWaC64
Ronald Reagan, Ron Paul’s hero.. sold our country away to the banking elite. He reduced corporate taxes for the rich by 20% and taxes for the middle class only 4%. This is the main reason for such large income inequalities and such large government deficits.
Here is a video of Ronald Reagan giving our country away to Merrill Lynch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnwtBSbA1c0
Again, Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security are all broke. You should have been listening to the debates. While you may see these programs as necessary, that does not refute the fact that these programs are destined to run out of money soon. Though people have paid into them for their entire lives by deduction from their paychecks, they will not receive any benefits. I’ve not heard one politician in the healthcare debates speak to correcting this financial theft and tell us where the money went, not unlike other spending the government or the FED does with the money they collect from taxpayers.
I’m not in favor of big corporate insurance companies either. Because the healthcare debate has been framed by the government politicians to include only two ways to handle health care, you mistakenly think we only have two ways to choose from. Your mind has already been framed in this debate to the exclusion of other ways of looking at this problem.
The big insurance corps do not provide the service they should yet make huge profits while people go untreated or their healthcare is interfered with by determinations other than a doctor and you. We do not need health care insurance or the tactics of these big corps. Premiums are an additional healthcare expense. It does not follow truthfully that if someone pays a premium, they will be able to afford healthcare due to the amount that remains after premiums are paid. This is so whether we maintain the current system or if the government mandates premiums. People only have so much money and not everyone could afford the remaining balance, so some never go to the doctor for that reason. Truthfully, the government run plan will not reduce healthcare costs. They struggle over even determining what it will cost. We have plenty of evidence to tell us that the care is reduced and healthcare remains too expensive.
I am looking at the facts, have listened to the debates, done the research, used my own mind to see when the government is railroading discussions. There is no conspiracy theory here. Using the “conspiracy theory” phrase is an attempt to discredit. It’s used by those who wish to continue to hide the truth and perpetuate lies so the government can remain irresponsible towards the citizens of this country and continue to destroy it. There are those who are speaking up in favor of our personal, constitutional freedoms. There are many who have lived long enough to know the losses of our freedoms and liberties. They are not blind. These big insurance corps, our government and the FED, the elite all work together creating scenarios whereby you have to choose something you would otherwise not agree with. That is happening with heathcare.
Your comment about ACORN explains a lot about your beliefs. ACORN is a corrupt organization and needs to be shut down.
The healthcare system that should be in place, to be respectful of our citizens financially and medically is to never establish a government-run healthcare system. They always go broke. That is on their resume and is their record. No need for electronic records to respect the right of privacy. No need for big insurance corps. They are an additional expense, raise healthcare costs, deny care and get in the way of what goes on between doctor and patient. No need for big pharma. They can stop pumping our society with drugs with side effects that make us sicker and sicker. What we need is healthcare providers and services that are affordable, simple…just you and the doctor. They have made such a big elaborate financial scheme out of people becoming sick, that they (government and corps) have become the real problem. Other services that are provided have to keep their prices to affordable or they go out of business. Healthcare is a service and it needs to be affordable, especially if we want to live up to our claim of being caring Americans.
What you are professing and working towards will not give you what you want – affordable, quality healthcare. It will help to bring on a bigger government that has more control over you, a control and loss of freedoms you will soon live to regret. If no one pushes back this aggressive government, we will all regret it and so will other countries who are rooting for America to be free. I am on the side of the people, a government that is for the people, by the people, a republic government (not a democracy). Your beliefs are NOT on the side of the people.
The fed doesn’t collect money from tax payers, they collect money from borrowers. Get your facts straight. I can’t even read all of your nonsense when you just blurt out lies from the get go.
LIES LIES LIES!
“This year’s report by the trustees who oversee the fund found that, if left alone, the Social Security system will continue to be able to pay its bills for at least the next 40 years — thanks in part to a $1.4 trillion nest egg of Treasury securities that has been stashed away over the past several decades. (A separate analysis by the Congressional Budget Office figures the fund is in good shape until 2052.)” – MSNBC
You should stick to your government conspiracy theories, they make more sense than the lies you speak.
Sean, the point is…that both the FED and the government do not tell the taxpayers/citizens where the money goes.
HR1207 is to discover the FED’s spending.
The government spending, such as the missing $2.7 trillion was it? never accounted for in the defense budget (Rumsfeld’s admission in a congressional hearing).
The money collected for social security…where is it?
Medicaid and Medicare going broke, though they have collected funds for years. So much fraud.
So you are saying that these programs are not solvent within the design of the programs themselves?
Sean:
“This year’s report by the trustees who oversee the fund found that, if left alone, the Social Security system will continue to be able to pay its bills for at least the next 40 years — thanks in part to a $1.4 trillion nest egg of Treasury securities that has been stashed away over the past several decades. (A separate analysis by the Congressional Budget Office figures the fund is in good shape until 2052.)” – MSNBC
So after all the politicians have been outspoken as to the financial disaster of the M, M and SS programs going broke (as a way to support and coerce healthcare reform), they instead find objectors to the government controlled plan who see this information in a totally different light, that the government is incapable of running a program!
So they switch gears and publicize on one of their elite controlled, propeganda-filled mainstream media channels sudden found money, in a government that is so in debt up to its eyeballs. Well now that makes total sense.
Ranae: Christine probably lives in a bomb shelter so don’t let her get you upset. She won’t come out of it to get health care so you won’t have to worry about us taxpayers paying for her. She’ll take care of herself and that is a good thing. Having said this if we go to socialized medicine then we will have rationed care eventually for everybody. We already have it with Medicare and Medicaid. That means that people that are healthier will be required to pay for health care for less healthy people. Health care is not a right in this country. (At least not yet) Our rights are “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.” It is a shame that we have so many government giveaways right now (Food Stamps, Unemployment Insurance, Government Housing etc.etc.) We don’t need any more! We need to start eliminating giveaways, not adding them.
Families used to take care of their unfortunate family members but with the disintegration of the family people have begun to say that government (people they don’t know) has an obligation to take care of their unfortunate family members. What a shame!!!!!!!!!!! I should add that also an abandonment of the Hippocratic oath by many of our medical professionals has certainly contributed to this problem. The real problem with the whole situation is of course our whole family and moral system. I will pray about it tomorrow and I hope you do too Ranae.
Oh, Lindsey, you had to poke at me just because I spoke up against the genetically modified (GMO) foods you grow and sell to unsuspecting buyers, all those foods that lack proper nutrition that will further decrade a consumer’s health. Monsanto, father GMO, started with chemical pesticides, now chemical foods. Big pharma loves him. You’ll see the doctor more often for prescription drugs to cure diseases that will certainly develop, then that drug will present side effects so you will need another prescription…and on and on it goes. Helping Monsanto and big pharma live the American Dream.
Christine: I guess farmers are conspirators too! Is there anyone in this country who is not a conspirator?
Real healthcare practitioners. The evidence is there. You just need to avail yourself of the information.
The Corporation – Psychopath Inc. – PART 4 of 15
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEdT0CiEu6E&feature=related
Monsanto…evidence of their corruption.
Monsanto is GMO food.
social security is broke ???
Where do you get those facts ?
http://zfacts.com/p/871.html
Listened to the healthcare debates on c-span and the politicians talking about how the 3 programs, medicare, medicade and social security are all broke, soon to be total bust…and their line of reasoning… if we don’t do something now with healthcare reform. See they used this reasoning to coerce reform, their plan, now…and some bright folks were at the same time thinking …hmm…can’t run these programs and keep them solvent, what will happen with the healthcare plan the government wants to run?
Social Security is not broke. It will be broke in like 50 years if they continue to pay out their medicare and medicaid bills through it. That’s not what it was made for.
That is more of a reason for health care reform..
I’m sorry, you aren’t going to get some magical deal where they will get rid of private insurance companies, so they are going to have to work with them in one way or another.
I strongly suggest that everyone get educated and pay attention to what is happening concerning the upcoming government-controlled, mass, forced flu vaccination plan. We only have a couple of months before we will be hit with something larger than any other issue. This is designed to change our country, the world as we know it.
Much has already been posted on the several “Health” sections of this forum. Please check out the information, especially more towards the bottom of the entries.
For anyone who is working towards preserving our liberty, freedom from tyranny…check out the agenda (there’s always an agenda) from the Swine Flu Conference held in Washington D.C., especially #2 & #6
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/32605.html
http://www.new-fields.com/ISFC/brochure.pdf
Jane Bergermeister has filed a criminal indictment against the World Health Organization (WHO) and Obama due to the evidence she has about contaminated flu vaccines being distributed for mass depopulation. Know her story, her case.
Important Websites to Keep Informed
http://birdflu666.wordpress.com
http://theflucase.com
christine:
Yes thanks,
I am aware of this (The Tenth Amendment) and have been very active in getting my state legislatures involved and reaffirming it into our State laws.
Tom Addler:
“….that is the reason a hand full of people are making all the laws in this country without any regard for what america thinks as a hole we are not all from the mountains…”
I agree and many of these so-called laws are a total infringement on the Sercond Amendment of the Constitution. Oh!! yes what is the Constitution?….
I’ve been doing a little research on that very topic, the constitution. It appears we might have 2 of them that not too many people understand or know about.
UNITED STATES is a Corporation – There are Two Constitutions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVsMUpPgdT0
original: constitution of the united states of American
Act 1871 after the civil war, America bankrupt, financiers came in and with congress and a slight of hand the constitution for the corporation created, uses “for” instead of “of” and the capitalization indicates a corporation. They probably didn’t want to worry the people with this change, ha!
CONSTITUTION FOR THE UNITED STATES
US Code indicates the definition of UNITED STATES is a federal corporation. Perhaps this is why we cannot get our government to listen to us and only get what they want us to have. We are thought to be their “employees” and report our wages via a 1040 to the irs for tax purposes on our wages. Maybe this is why all the other coporations going bust got bailouts, overburdoning the citizens of America. Corporations tend to stick together. Whatever the government does, it operates outside of America in Washington D.C. so members cannot be held accountable for treason, I read.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/28/3002.html
US CODE 15 (A)(B)(C)
“UNITED STATES” means –
(A) a Federal corporation;
(B) an agency, department, commission board, or other entity of the United States; or
(C) an instrumentality of the United States.
States may be disconnecting from the Federal Government. There is a movement going on. Perhaps not many know about it but several states are filing and have filed petitions to Barack Obama for independent sovereignty (from the federal government), from the government in Washington D.C. I happen to live in one of the states that has filed. Yippee!
http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/02/23/state-sovereignty-resolutions/
In reading the Act of 1871, they set up a 10 mile radius area for Washington D.C. to be separate from America. Washington D.C. is a government unto itself, a private corporation. Sound familiar, like the FED? In the beginning, Washington D.C. could not extend powers over the states in conflict with the constitution of the united states of America. It did appoint governors for the corporation. The info on the web is not abundant so perhaps they are trying to keep this a secret.
I’m still in my quest to learn more. This info changed how I look at our present day circumstances and it helps explain past events. The phrase “Take back our country” goes much deeper than most people realize.
The papers addressed to Barack Obama for Washington State
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2009-10/Pdf/Bills/House%20Joint%20Memorials/4009-State%20sovereignty.pdf
Look for your state
http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/02/23/state-sovereignty-resolutions/
“Finding a solution is first being able to see the problem.”
There are 2 constitutions, the pre-civil war organic and then the subversive post civil war corporate.
The banksters along with the traitors have kept putting the US in bankruptcy.
The last time with reorganization I believe in 1933.
Forget waving the flag and singing God Bless America, the banksters depend on that response.
They then give you another hero with great sounding shackles for solutions.
Then as the heat gets too hot, they either whack your leader or send you off to war.
America, has to start growing up, use your God given brain, this situation did not happen over night.
There are reasons for these things, mostly by design.
The real owners of America are not stupid, they just want you to think that, and to keep making the same mistake of underestimating them.
They have taken your sovereignty,murdered your leaders and taken you to countless wars you had no business being involved in.
Except that it was a very profitable business for the firm.
Stop letting them make,fools,paupers,widows and orphans out of you.
Read those boring overlooked non discussed details of your history.
Then send moral men to sit in representation fully versed in the details, and start to redress them.
Start killing the beast, the corporation known as
the UNITED STATES.
There is no need for a civil-war, only an education as to how we got to this point.
What we have is a lack of understanding our legal or should I say illegal problems.
The US Federal Government has slowly eroded states sovereign rights since the civil war.
This game plan has been played out all over the globe, they dangle a carrot in the form of a benefit in front of the people to sugar coat it.
They have distorted the meaning of the constitutional term ‘general welfare’ robbing your sovereignty, placing themselves above you and the creator.
Article I Section 8. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
But as established through commercial and common law, if you accept a
benefit :
A payment or entitlement, such as one made under an insurance policy or employment
agreement, or public assistance program.
Or, more generally, something of value or
usefulness.
from a benefactor :
Noun a person who supports a person or institution by giving money.
you become a legal beneficiary :
1. One that receives a benefit: I am the beneficiary of your generosity.
2. The recipient of funds, property, or other benefits, as from an insurance
policy or will.
3. Ecclesiastical. The holder of a benefice.
The state becomes the fiduciary
1. A person legally appointed and authorized to hold assets in trust for
another person.
The fiduciary manages the assets for the benefit of the
other person rather than for his or her own profit.
2. A loan made on trust rather than against some security or asset.
This establishes a guardian and ward relationship.
A guardian is someone who by appointment or by relationship has the care
of a person or that person’s property, or both.
The protected individual,known as the ward,
is considered legally incapable of acting for himself or herself.
-them as our guardian allowing to fulfill their fiduciary duty.
The law of guardianship is based on the common law and has been the province of state government.
There are two basic types of guardians: of the person and of the property.
A guardian of the person has custody of the ward and responsibility for the ward’s
daily care.
A guardian of the property has the right and the duty to hold and manage all property
belonging to the ward.
A ward usually has a general guardian, who supervises both the person and the
property, but in some circumstances it is necessary and convenient to divide
responsibilities.
-Don’t miss this point
Act titled: “An Act To Provide A Government for the District of Columbia.” This is also known as the “Act of 1871.”
In essence, this Act formed the corporation known as THE UNITED STATES.
-us as federal citizens
A legal person, also called juridical person or juristic person, is a legal entity through which the law allows a group of natural persons to act as if they were a single composite individual for certain purposes, or in some jurisdictions, for a single person to have a separate legal personality other than their own.
This legal fiction does not mean these entities are human beings, but rather means that the law allows them to act as persons for certain limited purposes—most commonly lawsuits, property ownership, and contracts.
-them as a corporation
A corporation is a legal entity, other than a natural person which often has similar rights in law as a person.
It started with the 14th Amendment which established corporations as a super citizen.
And the former slaves instead of being declared sovereign citizens became Federal citizens of the corporation known as THE UNITED STATES.
Or franchises, in essence they were still slaves in a new form.
It took the great immigration ,the great war, the great flu epidemic, the great depression of the early 20th century (you hear portrayed as “Our Century” in America) before the sovereign citizens and sovereign native Americans were finally subverted and subdued.
Social Security was the carrot (benefit) that legally shackled us to the great beast – The Federal Government.
But we went, if unknowingly, it was willingly, and legal.
If you care or just want to know start with this
Emergency War Powers
http://www.halexandria.org/dward284.htm
then read this
U.S. Bankrupt since 1933/martial law has been since then
http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t=72117
US history book written at turn of 20th century
The Coming Battle
http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/comingbattle/cbtabcon.htm
At the close of the Constitutional Convention of 1787, when queried as he left Independence Hall on the final day of deliberation—from the notes of Dr. James McHenry, one of Marylands delegates to the Convention.
A lady asked Dr. Franklin (Benjamin Franklin )
Well Doctor what have we got a republic or a monarchy.
A republic replied the Doctor if you can keep it.
This ongoing fight has been fought since day 1 in September 17, 1787.
The rest of the world point fingers calling us ignorant and nowadays there is much truth to that, but they haven’t done their history or allowed for critical thinking.
They are ignorantly unaware (and damn too many Americans) of how important America is to man kind and freedom.
They are unaware that in America was the first and only time in recorded history, the people were recognized as being the true sovereigns.
SOVEREIGN.
1.A chief ruler with supreme power; one possessing sovereignty. (q.v.) It is also applied to a king or other magistrate with limited powers.
2. In the United States the sovereignty resides in the body of the people.
And the constant subversion of that has gone on since day one.
Through out history that is the root of all America’s turmoils, and what patriots fought and died for.
And that my friend is it in a nut shell
as always your opinions are appreciated.
Northpal
longshotlouie commits like that is the reason a hand full of people are making all the laws in this country without any regard for what america thinks as a hole we are not all from the mountains think would ya i my self think every american should be able to own a gun unless he gives up that right through crime
all i can say is your opinion makes you an american your welcome to it if you were/are a mason saying these things then it mite hold waight but im sure your just guessing about what you think about a given topic so ill speak on this subject no more i know why i am a proud mason and you do not buy the way George Washington was a 33rd degree mason and he is the Father of our country yours and mine so what does this say about you convictions but enough of that how do we as people fix the usa. healthcare guncontrol the Economy and so on
If you want gun control, use both hands.
tom addler master mason
Freemasonary was founded by King Herod of ancient times and he vowed to stamp out the Christian movement.
Senior Masons, high up in the ’secret society’ perform witchcraft practices and pagan worship.
pedrizzle you are truly a miss informed person i am a master mason and i have never heard of a 33rd degree book the only book i can find is one that a NON-mason wrote so he/they know nothing as do you I AM A MASTER MASON AND I BELIVE IN A HIGHER POWER AS DO ALL MASONS HIS NAME IS GOD FATHER OF JESUS stop saying things you know nothing about it just makes you seam ignorant start worring about things like the shape of the usa point of fact there are know textile mills in the usa they make cloth you know like the cloth on your favorite chair so what does this mean that the reason that unemployment is so high is do to the fact that we the usa instead of having americans making cloth oroducts and paying them we buy from red china and there working just pick a topic and get informed stop spreading out and out lyes could you do that
This is for everyone who said the masons are not EVIL!!!!!
Get your hands on a 33rd Degree mason book and READ IT before you say anything to lil miss dorthy. Masons worship OBULAN, another name for satan. The lower levels dont know this because they are told they believe in a high power, but not the higher power of God, jesus christ, just a darker evil power and they also believe that it is their duty to lead humity, because they think we’re all sheep. Get the book read it then comment on the masons!
Word! IS! BORN!
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I would like to say first that I voted for Ron Paul in the last presidential election, by write-in. I have listened to him on a host of issues and find that I agree with a great deal of what he has had to say. However, there is one issue I have not heard him address and I would like to find out where he stands on it. I have not heard where he stands on “corporate person-hood.” To me, this is a chief concern because it is an issue which has fundamentally damaged our constitutional republic. Until I find out where he stands on this issue I will hold back my complete support of his continued candidacy for president. Thank you.
John Bolton
Did the Federal Reserve money launder Saddam”s Assets?
The discovery of $134 Billion in Federal Reserve Bonds is a serious issue and should be investigated by Congress to determine if this was a money laundering scheme at the highest levels. If the Bonds are real, the Fed has a paper trail and must reveal who was involved in this criminal activity. The Japanese were simply couriers wiping the trail clean between the Swiss Bank Account holder and the Federal Reserve Bank.
Don’t let them destroy or disregard the Constitution.
It IS a wonderful document.
Take me off for the 100th time. I do not agree with all the RP platform. I prefer Chuck Baldwin. Are you using this website to see who the demos are going to round up. Also, why am I getting emails after a year if you don’t publish it????? I had one concern which dealt with honesty about saying who RP
represents. His children are involved in the Catholic education,
his dad was a mason, and he never mentions God or the bible like
he is ashamed of it. I see contradictions and there are too many
unknowns after you start looking at the facts. The illuminists like to run both sides of the game. Again, remove me from your website. America has been damned by God (remember abortions, divorce, drugs, pride, ignoring the first commandment and others). The truth about life will be known to all you speculators very soon. I don’t believe the political game is the solution when the soul is sick. Too late to take back your insults. Let God be True and every man a liar. Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior and every knee shall bow now or later. The later have a permanent place date with Hell. Laugh and mock, but you will see who has the victory. Wake up yourself Ronnie, obviously you had one of those great NEA educations where you learned the commie, atheistic and secular world lies. Go back to your Faux TV.
Hey America Wake Up!
So what if the guy is a Mason and forget the world conspiracy garbage.
For a nation that I admire and defend in countless discussions I am absolutely taken aback by the religous fundamentalism that has such a huge say in your nations politics. Democracy it seems is too complex for the Muslim and Christian Fundamentalists so leave it to thoughtful people who can evaluate principles and not what club the guy belongs to on his days off.
We have to have You’re name all over the PLACE.
Please Mr. Paul stay protected you know what the Illuminati will do
(JFK)We need this country BACK.
I admire everything that you stand for.
……………………………………….Andras Z. Arizona
STOP Codex Alimentarius before it takes effect on 31 DEC 2009! Copy and paste the following letter and send it to your State Rep. as soon as possible and tell others to do so as well.
Dear Congressman,
I am writing at the suggestion of the Natural Solutions Foundation to request that you oppose the paired bills, S1873 and HR3970, which allow the government to force me and my loved ones to submit to vaccination for any reason, regardless of inherent dangers in the procedure or materials.
Vaccinations are being proven within the medical research community to be causal to autism, mercury poisoning and other disease inducing effects, yet these bills exempt the manufacturers from all liability for negative effects of new, untested and potentially lethal vaccines used under these laws.
As vaccines come under increasing scrutiny as dangerous and perhaps even unnecessary, compulsory vaccination serves only the profiteering, questionable drug industries and not U.S. citizens.
By creating a secret, powerful and unchallengeable agency, BARDA, with life and death power over the citizens of this country and totally insulated from being answerable to those forcefully inoculated, these bills represent the exact opposite of sane, sensible and appropriate democratic governing. This profoundly undemocratic law fosters, instead, a reign of force, coersion and terror. It also precludes any other alternative, benign and truly preventative modality for dealing with a pandemic.
Further, S1873 and HR3970 prevent use of the Freedom of Information Act or any other open access law regarding the contents of vaccines which may be used, and forbid consumers (or their parents) from ever learning what they have been injected with.
Compulsory vaccination also gives our increasingly distant and autocratic government life and death powers over Americans with no citizen redress or oversight. This squarely puts the power and profit of large corporations above the health safety and freedoms of its citizenry.
Personal responsibility is woefully lacking in the U.S. concerning health and lifestyle choices. I am 61 and take no medications whatsoever, neither do I need any vaccinations. A healthy diet, exercise, a positive mental outlook, and natural vitamins, minerals and herbs are my primary health self-care.
Perspective is sorely needed to undo this administration’s hype concerning the prophesized future bird flu epidemic. Last year there were 500,000 deaths worldwide due to automobile accidents, yet only 62 deaths worldwide due to the bird flu. Let’s get a grip on this!
What I need from govenment is vigilance against all polluters, including itself, and a willingness to foster individual freedoms and personal responsibility. I need to see an accountable government, a revised corporate code, an end to billions spent for war and weapons of destruction, and diligent government action to safeguard a free and informed citizenry.
Thank you for protecting your and my health and health freedom interests. Consider deeply these bills; if passed they could just as well endanger your life or the lives of your loved ones.
Respectfully,
I received the following in an email; could this work?
Dear Mr. President,
Patriotic retirement:
There’s about 40 million people over 50 in the work force;
pay them $1 million apiece severance with three stipulations:
1) They leave their jobs. Forty million job openings – Unemployment fixed.
2) They buy NEW American cars. Forty million cars ordered – Auto Industry fixed.
3) They either buy a house or pay off their mortgage- Housing Crisis fixed.
All National financial problems fixed!!!
Sincerely,
A Fellow American
I like it. Let’s do it.
I submit that Ron Paul should not run for President in 2012. Ron Paul has started the Revolution and now it is our job to take over the mantle and make his thoughts of sound money and peace mainstream (how those thoughts are not currently main stream is insanity!). Ron has done his duty for the country and should help guide the revoulution, but if this revolution is going to last it is up to us to spread his message and continue the battle to save this great nation.
We have lots of problems and we need voices like Dr. Paul, but his voice can not be the only one. The Campaign for Liberty is a great start. Hopefully, the failure of the Republican Party in 2000-2008 will allow change to occur within the party and will allow for a platform to spread concepts of peace and sound money.
This list of 11 issues is more useful than the ten commandments! What a shame the country is so ignorant and addicted to status quo. Unfortunately Dr.Paul won’t be a viable candidate in 2012 either because people are so dumb and cowardly! I hope someone younger will inherit the spirit of Dr.Paul’s philosophy and keep this movement alive in the future.
This list of 11 issues is more useful than the ten commandments! What a shame the country is so ignorant and addicted to status quo. Unfortunately Dr.Paul won’t be a viable candidate in 2012 either because people are so dumb! I hope someone younger will inherit the spirit of Dr.Paul’s philosophy and keep this movement alive in the future.
Ron,
what would your stance be on TERM LIMITS? Also as we are in agreement with you would you be our Presidental Candidate for the Tea-Party as we want less government and term limits!! We agree the corruption and pork bellies are rampant with those who swear in to take care of America.
I would like to know what Rep. Paul’s view on the state of America’s energy system and what ideas he has to fix it. If he has no inclination already, my belief in the new nuclear technology that is available to refine depleted materials to be re-used is a idea to be studied. With this new capability, nuclear energy becomes the safest, most renewable, “greenest”, and for decades the most researched energy source available to us. Please do America the favor of researching this truth.
OFFICE OF THE CHIEF
THE ORIGINAL CHEROKEE NATION
P.O. BOX 9808
CHATTANOOGA, TOCN 37412
423-825-5660
DECEMBER 15, 2008
NOTICE
REGARDING
ELECTION OF PRESIDENT AND VICE-PRESIDENT
OF THE
UNITED STATES
It is understood that the U.S. CONSTITUTION remains in FULL FORCE AND EFFECT.
The UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION, states in part,
Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:– “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.” U.S. CONST., ARTICLE II, SECTION 8.
And furthermore,
“The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; …“ U.S. CONST., ARTICLE IV, SECTION 4.
It appears that the present procedure for choosing ELECTORS from each District and State does not meet the PURPOSE AND INTENT of the U.S. CONSTITUTION.
An electoral process which does not meet the PURPOSE AND INTENT of said CONSTITUTION is ILLEGAL, NULL and VOID and should be FOR NOTHING HELD.
Therefore, the election of the President of the United States should be by the U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. U.S. CONST., ARTICLE II, SECTION 1.
I
An EDICTUM was issued on “This the 13th day of February, in the YEAR OF OUR LORD Two Thousand Two,” said EDICTUM being endorsed by Councilmen of THE ORIGINAL CHEROKEE NATION, Chiefs of its several chartered Historic Town Councils, and certain Historic District Headmen, etc..
Said EDICTUM reads in part,
“IT IS HEREBY MANDATED THAT AN EDUCATIONAL AND AWARENESS CAMPAIGN be conducted, with the help and support of CHEROKEE AND FRIENDS of the CHEROKEE NATION, presently known as THE ORIGINAL CHEROKEE NATION, as pertaining to the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, said mandate being consistent with the DECLARATION OF THE ORIGINAL CHEROKEE NATION REGARDING THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, said document being executed in Washington, District of Columbia, on the 13th day of November, in the YEAR OF OUR LORD One Thousand Nine Hundred Ninety Nine.”
II
United States Congressmen have been supportive of said CAMPAIGN inasmuch as having provided copies of the U.S. CONSTITUTION which have been distributed to the public by THE ORIGINAL CHEROKEE NATION (TOCN).
III
Abraham Lincoln gave the famous GETTYSBURG ADDRESS on November 19, 1863.
Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation, so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate—we can not consecrate—we can not hallow—this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth. ABRAHAM LINCOLN’S GETTYSBURG ADDRESS, November 19, 1863.
Lincoln, who wanted to preserve the Union, was shot on April 14, 1865. He died the next day. Many books have been written regarding the conspiracy. Lincoln said, “But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate—we can not consecrate—we can not hallow—this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract.” But what was the effect of Lincoln’s assassination? Did it not permeate and affix the phrase, “Of the people, by the people, for the people,” into American History?
IV
Whether the U.S. Constitution formed a Confederation or a Nation was a subject of dispute between such persons as James Madison, George Mason and Patrick Henry. James Madison, as a defense against the others who said that an attempt was being made to form a Nation, contended that in a national government all persons of the States were subject to the Nation, but that in a Confederation only the State Governments were subject to the federal government. (The Declaration of Independence refers to “Thirteen Independent States.”)
The constitutional document is short, consisting of seven Articles. From a review of the document, the following appears.
1. There was to be a balance of powers between the Senate and House of Representatives, with the Senate representing State governments and the Representatives representing Districts (The States being divided into Districts by population). The State legislatures were to choose two Senators and the People were to choose Representatives for the Districts within which they lived.
2. The Representatives have more power regarding spending the People’s money, as Bills raising Revenue must originate in the House of Representatives. U.S. CONST., ARTICLE I, SECTION 7. The principle comes from the saying that the power to raise revenue should come from the body which is “closest to the purse.”
3. It is clear that the People are given much more power to elect a President than that which is given to the States. It can be further seen that if the electors do not choose a President, the matter goes to the House of Representatives.
4. The number of Electors are equal to the number of Districts within the States plus two for the two Senators. It can easily be seen in principle that the States have a right to choose two Electors. However, it can readily be deduced that the People of the Districts have a right to choose the Elector for their District. The current electoral process which is currently followed by almost all States involves a “Winner take all” philosophy, which could be rephrased as an “At large” election, condemned by the 1964 VOTING RIGHTS ACT.
A government “Of the People, By the People and For the People” is strongly demonstrated and expressed in the U.S. CONSTITUTION where the Power to raise revenue rests with the People, as well as the Power to choose the Executive Officer of the United States. The States are to decide how to choose electors. However, when the States specify that electors are to be chosen by an AT LARGE election, not only has that State forfeited its Right to choose two Electors, but it has violated the Right of the People to have their elected State Officials choose that State‘s Electors, and it has also denied the People the exercise of their Right to choose an Elector for their District.
Therefore,
An AT LARGE ELECTION of electors avoids the REPUBLICAN form of government which is required by the U.S. CONSTITUTION to be guaranteed to the States by the UNITED STATES.
Denying the People of their Constitutional Right to choose an Elector for their District deprives the People of Representation in the Presidential Election, thereby raising the issue of TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION.
To preserve the People’s Right to choose, the election of the President of the United States should go to the House of Representatives, with said Representatives being chosen by the People of the Districts.
Dale F. Cook, Sr., Chief
the ron paul revolution lives!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FUCK YA!!!
i really admire you Ron Paul.You always speack the truth.I have seen lots of your vidios including you message to Obama.i wish in one way people can know about you and who you are.You are a very honest person and you alwayz know what you are taling about and we need a president like you.pleese i hope next election you can run again for president and then i can vote for you mysealf.i am 14 and next election i will be 18.I really admire you ron paul.you are my hearo.you can email me.Sometimes i go on public chat rooms showing them your vidios.But i dont know how to make you popular.Your argumets are strong and we really need a president like you.We need change/and you are right .It depends WHAT we are gonna change.Although Obama is better than McCain cuzz you are right.McCain doesnt know shit what he iz talkin about.At lest Obama is smart.But i wish you were president.I really admire you.
GET OVER IT YOU REPUBLICANS!
GOOOOO OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Then, after the New Orleans council meating, this is what happened:
http://www.wdsu.com/news/17982777/detail.html
This is what yankees don’t understand we have to contend with down here. Take a look at a very SMALL example:
http://www.wdsu.com/video/17974806/
The more i research you the more i love your ideas and values. I wish that your word could spread to everyone. I would have loved to have a Presidant that would actualy honor and obey the constitution.
Hello Ron,
I am sorry you didn’t make it to the Presidency. In a time when almost every politician is directed by his or her own desires, tossing our country to and fro, you stand firm on the Constitution! America needs men like you. I hope you will run again, though I am afraid this country will be in shambles by then.
I am concerned for this nation. The fact that Obama has been elected to be the next president is shocking. This man is only trouble for the U.S.A. Many issues about Obama are flag raising, warnings that the American voters and the media have ignored.
Presently, my concern is about Obama’s place of birth. Some people are saying he was not born in the U.S.A. and does not, therefore, qualify to be the President. It wouldn’t shock me a bit if our government didn’t care where Obama was born. They want to change the Constitution all the time anyway. Back to the point. Does Obama meet the requirements for Presidency, which are written in the Constitution and Amendments? What person/department is responsible to check this birth requirement? Has the U.S. gov. verified that Obama meets this requirement? Has Obama presented a SIGNED and STAMPED birth certificate proving he was born in the USA?
Can you, Ron Paul, investigate this birth requirement and either stop Obama from taking office, or to put this rumor to bed.
Many, many thanks for all you do.
Sincerely,
Bruce L.
Can Ron Paul help the red states to secede from the union??
I sure am going to miss you this election…there’s a noticable lack of a good candidate for our president. I wish you had stayed in.
November 3, 2008
From the Office of the Chief of The Original Cherokee Nation (TOCN)
BULLETIN REGARDING THE CURRENT ELECTION
The EDUCATIONAL AND AWARENESS CAMPAIGN was initiated by TOCN in 2002, pursuant to the DECLARATION executed in Washington, DC in 1999. That campaign is consistent with the RECLAIM AMERICA campaign which was started in the early 1990’s.
U.S. CONSTITUTIONAL GOVERNMENT
The founding document of the United States is the U.S. CONSTITUTION which was ratified by enough States in 1789 to place the document into effect.
ARTICLE I, SECTION 7 of said constitution provides that all revenue bills are to originate in the House of Representatives. It also provides that the Senate can amend such bills as in other cases.
The purpose of the provision relates back to England, assuring that revenue bills would originate in the governing body “Closest to the Purse.” In other words, the body which represents the People in General, being the primary source for the revenue, would be the body having the right to decide whether to originate such a bill.
How did the current BAILOUT PACKAGE get passed?
First, a Bill consisting of three pages was submitted to the House of Representatives (House), which was soundly defeated, one basis being that it amounted to simply writing a “Blank Check” in the amount of $750 Billion to the Secretary of the Treasury.
Then a 100 page bill was submitted to the House which was narrowly voted down.
Thirdly, the Senate took a bill which had been previously passed by the House the previous Spring, but which had not been acted on by the Senate, erased everything after the ENABLING CLAUSE, and inserted the 100 page bill which the House had previously rejected, adding the increase in the FDIC insurance amount from $100 Thousand to $250 Thousand. The Senate also added some 350 pages of various items which opponents of the original efforts would likely support. That “AMENDED BY WAY OF SUBSTITUTION” bill was then passed by the Senate and subsequently ratified by the House.
That is how the Senate got a revenue bill through the House. Did the bill originate in the House, the primary intent and purpose of which the House had already rejected? How could such a bill be construed as an AMENDMENT?
Some of the money ($125 Billion) was initially disbursed to the larger banks, “hoping” that it would be used for lending, but the news was that the banks would use the money to buy up smaller banks. It was included in the bill that the money could be used to BAILOUT foreign banks.
It is pointed out that the Senate represents the State governments, with two Senators from each State, regardless of the size of the State. The House represents the People by District. Neither the House nor the Senate can pass a law without the consent of the other.
POLITICIANS AND STATESMEN
It is said that everyone knows that a POLITICIAN will lie and, therefore, that it is alright for politicians to lie. In at least one AMERICAN GOVERNMENT class, what was taught was how to get votes. Of course, that involves what to tell to which group. The class was taught by an elected official.
A STATESMAN would be expected to keep his word and especially his OATH OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE U.S. CONSTITUTION.
I submit to you that there was a line drawn between POLITICIANS and STATESMEN in the BAILOUT PACKAGE.
THE UPCOMING ELECTION
Tomorrow, voters will choose between POLITICIANS and STATESMEN. They will either vote for the person who has promised them the most with great swelling words, or they will vote for the STATESMEN who keep their oath to uphold and support the U.S. Constitution.
The election is an opportunity to place the U.S. Government back in compliance with the U.S. CONSTITUTION.
The voting record on the BAILOUT can be accessed on the Senate and House websites.
Persons who support the U.S. CONSTITUTION have a clear signal available to them as to where said officials stand.
I submit to the People that there is the opportunity tomorrow to put persons in office who stood steadfast against violating their oath and principles. It is a known fact that both major party candidates made a trip to Washington and voted for the BAILOUT BILL. Candidates are available who did not vote for that bill.
Your vote does count. If you really want a CHANGE, you can take advantage of this opportunity and put the federal government back in the hands of the AMERICAN PEOPLE.
Dale Cook, Chief of TOCN
WITH THE INTERNET, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO SPREAD THIS LETTER AROUND THE WORLD AND TO AFFECT THE OUTCOME OF THE ELECTION TOMORROW. DON’T BE MISLEAD BY THE DEMOCRAT/REPUBLICAN/ INDEPENDENT CONCEPT. THE REAL BALANCE OF POWERS IS BETWEEN THE SENATE AND HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. VOTE TO KEEP THAT POWER CONSTITUTIONAL.
morgan-
goto youtube and search for ron paul, there are an infinite number of videos.
I would like to meet and see if my concept intrests you.
i would like to bring jobs back to the good old
U S A by make it law for any bussness ( sprint, and some of the internet services making money here needs to employ united states people here for their support sytem all of it not in some other contry
Ron Paul was on Alex Jones’s show a week or so ago. The day the first bailout got voted down. I had never heard of him, but I listened to his show & liked it. I would recommend checking it out. His podcast is free, & the web site is http://www.infowars.com. Alex can be a little radical. But I found that once you check out the documents he cites, he is pretty accurate with his information. . . which is pretty scary. But it’s definately an eye opener. Dr. Paul seems to agree with most of what Alex has to say.
Ron Paul,
I really think libretarian is the bomb. Im only 11 and trying to get in to politics. I think you are really doing great. You should definetly get a share with Republican and Democrat on TV and get more popular. But otherwise, I have been reading your changes but they are really big and confusing. So I just have a few questions that matter to me,
1. Are you lowering taxes? If so for EVERYONE(unlike Obama)?
2. Are you lowering gas prices?
3. What are your main plans for the Bailout Bill?
P.S. Come to Daytona Florida!!!!!!!
Please reply Thanks,
Morgan
To PA guy:
I did the math.
$85,000,000,000.00 divided by 200,000,000 equals only $425.00
$700,000,000,000.00 divided by 200,000,000 equals $3,500.00
It’s still way too much to ask of each one of us to bail out Wall Street fat cats, but not as much as you have been led to believe.
This was sent to me in an email and really made me think!
WHAT IF THIS WAS $700 BILLION AS NOW PROPOSED FOR BANKS. ??DO THE MATH………..
Sounds like a good plan to me!!
I’m against the $85,000,000,000.00 bailout of AIG.
Instead, I’m in favor of giving $85,000,000,000 to America in
a We Deserve It Dividend.
To make the math simple, let’s assume there are 200,000,000
bonafide U.S. Citizens 18+.
Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman
and child. So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up..
So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billon that equals $425,000.00.
My plan is to give $425,000 to every person 18+ as a
We Deserve It Dividend.
Of course, it would NOT be tax free.
So let’s assume a tax rate of 30%.
Every individual 18+ has to pay $127,500.00 in taxes.
That sends $25,500,000,000 right back to Uncle Sam.
But it means that every adult 18+ has $297,500.00 in their pocket.
A husband and wife has $5 95,000.00.
What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.00 in your family?
Pay off your mortgage – housing crisis solved.
Repay college loans – what a great boost to new grads
Put away money for college – it’ll be there
Save in a bank – create money to loan to entrepreneurs.
Buy a new car – create jobs
Invest in the market – capital drives growth
Pay for your parent’s medical insurance – health care improves
Enable Deadbeat Dads to come clean or else
Remember this is for every adult U S Citizen 18+ including the folks
who lost their jobs at Lehman Brothers and every other company
that is cutting back. And of course, for those serving in our Armed Forces.
If we’re going to re-distribute wealth let’s real ly do it…instead of trickling out
a puny $1000.00 economic incentive that is being proposed by one of our candidates for President.
If we’re going to do an $85 billion bailout, let’s bail out every adult U S Citizen 18+!
As for AIG – liquidate it.
Sell off its parts.
Let American General go back to being American General.
Sell off the real estate.
Let the private sector bargain hunters cut it up and clean it up.
Here’s my rationale. We deserve it and AIG doesn’t.
Sure it’s a crazy idea that can work.
But can you imagine the Coast-To-Coast Block Party!
How do you spell Economic Boom?
I trust my fellow adult Americans to know how to use the $85 Billion
We Deserve It Dividend more than the geniuses at AIG or in Washington DC .
And remember, The Family plan only really costs $59.
TO THE U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
REGARDING: H.R. 1424; A CONSTITUTIONAL CHALLENGE
All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills. U.S. Constitution, Article I, Section 7, Paragraph 1.
It is understood that the purpose of this provision dates back to the English parliamentary requirement that all revenue raising bills start from the British House of Commons; to ensure that the “power of the purse” lies with the body closest to the people.
It is traditional that when the Senate tries to usurp the CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY of the House, the House will BLUE SLIP the Bill.
In this case, the Senate is attempting to get its legislation passed by taking an existing Bill (H.R. 1424 ) which has been passed by the House and using that Bill as a vehicle in an attempt to pass its own Bill, by a move called an AMENDMENT.
An AMENDMENT is, “An amelioration of the thing without involving the idea of any change in substance or essence.” Van Deusen v. Ruth, 343 Mo. 1096, 125 S.W.2d 1, 3.
The Senate’s action on this bill does not meet that definition. Rather, it is a CONGLOMERATION OF BILLS.
The Separation of Powers between the Senate and House is one of the strongest BALANCE OF POWERS in the U.S. CONSTITUTIONAL SYSTEM.
There are TWO elected BRANCHES of government, the Senate and House of Representatives. The Three Branch concept was created by the “Third Branch.”
The Senate is to represent the interest of the State Government, which is why there are two Senators from each State, regardless of the size or population of said State.
The House is to Represent the People by District.
Neither can pass a law without the consent of the other.
The power to raise Revenue and Appropriate funds is to remain in the hands of the HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. This power should not be wrested from the hands of the People.
To protect its CONSTITUTIONAL POWER and to protect against a Constitutional Challenge, the HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES can BLUE SLIP the “amended” H.R. 1424.
Sincerely, Dale Cook, Chief of The Original Cherokee Nation (TOCN) P.O. Box 9808, Chattanooga, TOCN 37412 423-825-5660
ALL SENATORS AND REPRESENTATIVES HAVE SWORN TO UPHOLD THE
U.S. CONSTITUTION.
Ok, I have a dumb question here. Supposedly we the people own this country. How is it we spend a major part of our lives and a large part of our money on housing. There is so much vacant land in this country. Land that no one is using. I think as Americans we should be able to make use of this land. Home steading should be allowed. Think of all the disposable income it would generate and strengthen the economy. On the other side of the spectrum there should be a limit oon how much any one person can own. Why would any one pwerson need 750,000 acres of land.
Dorothy Brasch , Stop here for a moment. Masons get a bad wrap here. All Mason’s are not devil worshiping freaks hell bent on destruction. To say that the Mason’s worship Satan is equivalent to calling all Catholics Pediphiles. It is nonesense, sure some people and groups might have used the organization for their own agenda, but thes things happen. Secondly, women cannot be Mason’s.
Third, Many of our presidents were Masons even the first president George Washington. You should worry more about the Council on Foreign Relations.
The American middle class needs to UNIONIZE! Forget a new party, forget “change” and all that “you-know-what”. We simply need to unionize and have a union leader.
If all the American people tore up their credit cards and ceased to pay the bills on them, what would they do?? This is what needs to be done so that we can take control! We need a person who can lead the people into control and DO THIS! They DO NOT need to be elected as president! All they need is the majority to follow them!
If the U.S. financial system is to regain its health, immediate action must be taken to force hedge funds and private equity to be registered with the SEC.
Accountability must be restored.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBJ7NSmKAgY
This video is by Bill Parish, for those that are unfamiliar with him here is a link to http://www.billparish.com.
Be sure to watch this short video and others on his youtube account and get familiar with the real culprits and the problems they have caused and the real cures that are needed.
Tax payers do not need to put one red cent in any bail out which not only will never work, but will rob them and lead to hyper inflation which will destroy the country for the benefit of the few.
This is not rocket science once you understand what is really going on.
That is if you care.
peace!
THE FOLLOWING LETTER SUPPLEMENTS THE PRESS RELEASE PREVIOUSLY POSTED ON THIS WEB PAGE.
October 1, 2008
TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:
U.S. CONGRESS is faced with the possibility of coming to the aid of the U.S. ECONOMY by passing a “RESCUE” Bill.
Such a Bill should not only help the failing financial institutions, but should also help the general public, including the victims of Sub-Prime and Predatory Lending Practices.
A proposal has been promulgated in a PRESS RELEASE, a copy of which is included at the end of this letter which follows the guidelines of said proposal.
The approach is basically a Chapter 13 concept, where
1. Creditors will receive a reasonable amount for the Securities which are purchased,
2. The purchased Securities are repaid by the Debtors on an Equitable Basis,
3. A Six Months payment delay is enjoyed by said Creditors, equivalent to a Stimulus Package (worth around $5000 per family in many cases) which will be injected into a flailing economy and
4. The Taxpayers will receive a reduction of their Income Tax liability.
It would also be practicable that, in order to participate in the program, the Debtors be required to attend economic management counseling, as is presently required for Chapter 13 Debtors.
Sincerely, Dale Cook, Chief of The Original Cherokee Nation (TOCN)
PRESS RELEASE
September 28, 2008
RECOMMENDATION TO U.S. CONGRESS
REGARDING
BAILOUT (SUB-PRIME BUYOUT)
A PLAN FOR THE PEOPLE AND THE MARKET c2008 TOCN
It is time to start running the U.S. Government as a Non-Profit Corporation for the benefit of the People, pursuant to the U.S. Constitution.
The following concept is geared to pull out from the mainstream market the high risk Securities which have resulted from Sub-Prime Lending and Easy Credit. If the adopted plan is not solid, both the business man and the public are likely to suffer.
RAISING THE FUNDS
The money should be raised by issuance of U.S. Treasury Notes, not T-Bills which pay interest. There will be NO INTEREST on Treasury Notes and the National Debt will not be increased. (The People will love it.) (Treasury Notes are not to be confused with T-Bills which must be paid back with interest. T-Bills would draw investment money away from Stock Investments.)
The funds should be appropriated to the Special Management Agency (SMA), set up by U.S. Congress simultaneously with the appropriation bill.
The SMA will be responsible for purchasing Sub-Prime Securities, managing the collection thereon and disbursing the revenue to the Internal Revenue Service.
PURCHASE PRICE
The purchase price for Sub-Prime Securities should be determined on a Sliding Scale, considering the company’s history leading up to the current situation. A large percentage reduction factor is to be applied where Internal FRAUD is involved, including excessive retirement packages.
Securities valuation should not exceed the original indebtedness. Excessive interest should be marked off.
Executive salaries should be considered in comparison to that of the U.S. Executive Officer. A Securities valuation percentage reduction factor is to be inversely applied in adjusting for the Corporate Executive/U.S. Executive Officer ratio.
COLLECTION ON SUB-PRIME SECURITIES
The value set as the Principle balance of the securities, after purchase by the SMA, should be the amount which was paid by the SMA.
The Interest Rate should be set at Prime Rate plus a Margin.
Debtors should be given six months without a payment. This time is necessary for setting up the structure of the SMA and will give some breathing room for the indebted family. The money which normally goes for payments on debts within said six months will, instead, be spent into the consumer market. Persons with Home Mortgages will be required to keep insurance current to protect the investment of the SMA and the People.
THE REVENUE
All monies collected on the Securities held, including Principal and Interest, should be applied to the Income Tax Debt of the People.
Dale Cook, Chief of
The Original Cherokee Nation
P.O. Box 9808
Chattanooga, TOCN 37412
423-825-5660
I can’t help but read some of these blogs of hatred against Ron Paul. Cmon people! Lets pretend here that Ron Paul never existed…go back in to time and question yourself. Why was the IRS created, what is the real objective of the Federal Reserve System? Just do a bit more research, and you will find out for yourself something not far from the truth. More than half of the nations population is ignorant and has been for some time. I can guarentee you that people pay taxes not knowing where the money goes, how it is spent, and why it is being taken from us. If americans did a little bit more research we would end up with many angry yet educated people. Open your eyes! The easiest route is to believe a lie, but God gave us a brain and a will to either step back or pursue right action. Always question who holds your prosperity in their hands. Question the motives, and question even Ron Paul if you have to. This isn’t about who holds the title “president”… this is about a revolution! This about becoming more knowledgable and gaining our rights. This is all Ron Paul’s message….
Quoting Jimmy Crackel May 21st, 2008 at 5:26 pm
i am a sophmore in collge and my major is education and i was wonder what would happen to education in the country if your voted president
This has to be a joke: sophomore and college misspelled; I was wonder? …if your voted…; Learn English, Jimmy.
Ron – Please accept Barr’s request and be his VP. I would love to see these two great minds together on a ticket!
Im very upset at many of the posts on this website. Ron Paul uses the constitution as his guide. Inside the constitution it specifically recognizes the separation of church and state. This means that neither God nor any religious beliefs of any kind should determine what happens within this country’s government. The government doesn’t tell religious groups how to worship and therefore religious groups should not tell the government how to govern.
Ann Smith
His choice McCain/Palin
That isn’t what he said unto me.
He did reveal to me, that Jesus fellow was a Ptolemy myth ‘Serapis’.
Also that painting that repesents that Jesus myth is a blasphemous portrait by Leonardo Da Vinci of his lover Cesare Borgia the son of Pope Alexander VI. Cesare Borgia raped his sister Lucrezia and killed her husband the duke of Bisceglie among other nasty things.
Stick to the Old Testament King James version only, the rest are false and YHWH is gonna punish the wicked that follow them.
I just can’t let a comment like that go. Ann, the sooner you take your life into your own hands and stop blaming God for everything the better. That kind of extreamist jargon is the reason people are dying in the Middle-East. Seriously, read your comments logically and if they make sense go see a Psycologist, for your sake and your family’s.
Mr. Paul, You have a little knowledge, but if you have a relationship with Jesus, the Holy Spirit would be showing you what He is doing in these last days. Remember we are not under the law, we are under grace. It is obvious that you are not God’s choice for president, so that means He has other plans and purposes. Why don’t you back His choice McCain/Palin and trust what He will do. By not supporting McCain you are giving the enemy ammunition and going against what the Lord is trying to do. Either you have not received the Holy Spirit and you are operating under the law or you are not in touch or listening to what He is saying and doing. I pray that you will receive a revelation of the truth that will set you free. In His Service wherever I am.
The U.S. had no Vice President from April 12, 1945, to Jan, 20, 1949, and the government functioned smoothly without one. Congress did not even THINK of changing the order of succession because Nelson was not ready to be APPOINTED king yet.
Crown prince Nelson realized that even though he owned the country, his serfs did not want to vote for him. He could never reach the White House through the ballot box and that left only a military takeover . . . or an APPOINTMENT to the position.
The 25th Amendment or the Rockefeller Amendment made the 1947 Order of Succession NULL AND VOID because the President was given the power to APPOINT a Vice President if the Vice President died or was forced to resign.
According to the terms of this Amendment, if Ford had a timely demise in ‘75 or ‘76, Rockefeller was still eligible to serve 2 full terms or 8 years as President. That was more that enough time to finish his Twin Towers and start World War III.
Nixon refused to nominate Rocky as his Vice President and nominated Greek-American Spiro Agnew instead. He probably knew that having Rockefeller as Vice President was signing his own death warrant.
The Vice President was forced to resign in ‘74 by trumped up charges brought by the Rockefeller controlled IRS.
The forced resignation of Spiro Agnew left a vacancy for the office of Vice President. This was the opportunity Rockefeller was waiting for. The Vice Presidency was only a heartbeat from the Presidency and his appointment was up to President Nixon. Nixon double-crossed him and appointed Gerald Ford instead. This decision cost President Nixon his Presidency.
Rockefeller was behind the scandal called Watergate which forced Nixon to resign. His man in the White House was Secretary of State Henry Kissinger.
Firstly, Nixon’s Vice President Spiro Agnew was forced to resign and Nixon APPOINTED Ford as his Vice President. This was the first use of the recently passed Rockefeller Amendment.
After the appointment of Ford as Vice President, Nixon was forced to resign over Watergate and then Ford became President by appointment only….Ford did not LUST for the Presidency like Rockefeller and he was a victim of the fast moving events to make Rockefeller President by appointment only.
President Ford had a TARGET on his back after making Rockefeller Vice President!!
To the shock of his family and the nation, two women (undercover Rockefeller controlled CIA agents) attempted to kill President Ford in separate incidents in September of 1975. On September 5, as Ford greeted well-wishers outside the Senator Hotel in Sacramento, California, Lynette “Squeaky” Fromme, aged twenty-six, a follower of mass-murderer Charles Manson, leveled a Colt .45 at Ford and squeezed the trigger at point blank range. The gun misfired and Fromme was wrestled to the ground before she could pull off a second shot.
Two weeks later in San Francisco, on September 22, Sara Jane Moore, aged forty-five, a one-time FBI informer, fired a .38 revolver at Ford. The shot missed Ford by a few feet because a bystander had spoiled her aim. Both women were convicted under the 1965 law making attempted assassination of the President a federal offense punishable by life imprisonment.
Fate overruled these 2 wicked attempts to murder the President so Nelson Rockefeller launched his last deadly attack. This was the swine flu scare of 1976.
Assault on the President of the United States with a DEADLY weapon courtesy of the Rockefeller Medical Inquisition. He was given the POISONED needle in front of a nationwide TV audience on Oct 11, 1976.
Rockefeller was “praying” that he would die or become incapacitated and then he would be President for life. Thank God that He overruled this deadly plot by Rome and Rockefeller against the people and the Constitution:
“Mere coincidence can be damaging. This occurred in the ill-fated swine flu vaccination campaign mounted in 1976 to protect Americans against what was believed to be an extremely dangerous strain of influenza. Three elderly people, all heart patients, dropped dead on one day (Oct. 11) after getting shots at a Pittsburgh clinic. Experts concluded the vaccine was not responsible, but it took President Gerald Ford and his family getting swine flu shots on national TV to restore confidence in the program — and even then only for a while.”
Thank God that the ONLY Rockefeller to reach the White so far is William Jefferson Clinton— the son of Winthrop Rockefeller!!
Imagine the financial clout that it takes to have a Constitutional Amendment passed. It requires total control of the Senate, House of Representatives and most all of the 50 states. During the Senate hearing for the appointment of Nelson in 1974, various attempts were make to estimate the Rockefeller billions. None even came close. Part of the reason was he nor his family had paid one red cent of taxes the previous dozen years. One figure that was mentioned was 70 billion dollars. Newsweek (Rockefeller owned) says that the fortune was “beyond calculation.”
Now just imagine a Obama win with a Vice president and two time brain aneurysm Joe Biden. Will Hillary become Vice president, knock off Obama creating the worse rioting the US has ever seen. Then she appoints her boss Jay Rockefeller to help administer the coup de grace to America.
Or maybe the inexperinced Obama goes ahead and appoints Jay Rockefeller that will get him killed even quicker. Then Jay Rockefeller can personally administer the coup de grace to a strife filled and riot torn America.
Just wondering out aloud!
What does Ron Paul think about the bailout of Freddie and Fannie and what would he do?
He thinks it could end up costing us more bailout tax moneys because we don’t know what all is on their balance sheets as far as toxic assets. I saw him say that in an interview.
‘Pragmatically, how far back in the development of the US government would you retard and quench branches of the government? 1963? 1933? 1890? 1850? 1820? 1787? 1745?!?’
Well let’s see, to date the so called ‘development of the US government’ is a fuedal system of no money and no full ownership of land for the American people. Elections are reduced to a dog and pony show of 2 parties vying for the leadership of a governing corporation. America can produce 101 different flavours of ice cream, but no more than 1, I mean 2 political parties and any thing else is considered ‘Fringe Parties and Paranoia’.
Yeah, it seems impractical for the development of the US government to retard any further.
I have been researching for your stand on what the ideal federal government would look like under your administration. For instance, what are the acceptable agencies or branches that you feel are needed. And also, what would be the ideal state structure and policy to harmonize with this federal government.
Personally, I am beginning to think that you see everyone as a culture of primitive people hiding behind bushes with their idiot children protected from the world. Or I am seeing you as wild techno civilization with steet wise people of out of control technologies and morality.
Pragmatically, how far back in the development of the US government would you retard and quench branches of the government? 1963? 1933? 1890? 1850? 1820? 1787? 1745?!?
Since when has complicating politics coincided with a more “advanced” culture? You’re idiotic if you don’t see that tiptoeing around the Constitution is what got us in the mess we’re in today.
Looking for a candidate I can vote for. Neither party has presented an acceptable choice. Republicans leave out all pro choice women by platform and candidate choice. Obama does nothing but run for office based on wild promises, who knows whose money supports him or what he really stands for since he votes present when a stand is needed on Senate bills. I don’t vote for change based on skin color and party platform and media images as the only qualifications. McCain is an honest man with an identifiable track record. At least something is known about him from deeds, not empty words and posturing. At first I was enthused about a real woman achiever running as VP, until the prolife and prisoner torture is ok stuff reared its ugly head in her acceptance speech. Neither one is acceptable. What are Ron Paul’s positions on a woman’s right to choose and prisoner abuse?
Maybe Ron Paul hopes that if he threatens the Illuminati enough with the popularity of his platform, that the assassination that would result would lead to a true revolution to be carried out by the American people when their eyes are opened to the hatred of the establishment for a true patriot. I feel that the American people are too cowardly and foolish to respond in a heroic way if he were to lay down his life in an attempt to represent what is best for the American people. Voting for a man is not about choosing for the lesser of two evils. There is merely a choice for good or evil. Ron Paul represents what is good. Casting a vote for McCain or Obama is the same as casting a vote for Lucifer. The servants of Lucifer whisper in the ears of McCain and Obama because they will obey. Ron Paul is aware of the conspiracy to destroy all that is Christian in the New World Order to come and has a platform to prevent this from occurring. Since the American people will not stand behind him, I will not feel pity for those that betry him or for their children.
There are still 3000 seats available before the Target Center is sold out. What can we do to help? I have emailed friends in the area. What else can we do?
Watching Hillary Clinton I realize that she knows all the problems that America faces. Unfortunately, her answer is more big government. Why is the government the answer to all these problems our country face? John McCain believes the same thing. It’s disappointing. Hopefully, the Campaign for Liberty will work and the next generation of politicians will be answering the challenges that Hillary Clinton proposed with responses of limited government and personal responsibility.
Medved has reduced himself to spewing forth various strings of derogatory language boldly proclaiming, for instance, that “there’s no reason at all to believe in the ludicrous, childish, ill-informed, manipulative, brain dead fantasies about a North American Union.”
So you are gonna even consider any thing from a duche bag like Michael Medved ??????
Therefore according to duche bag Medved, Ron Paul is “childish, ill-informed, manipulative, brain dead with fantasies about a North American Union.”
Medved is a sum bag illuminati dupe, thats all.
It is all in the form of property rights. No one in America owns full title to any property. There is no real money to even buy property if you could. When the real owners blow the whistle, its ‘out of the pool time’. Where are you gonna go ??? Only land owners can become state or county electors to seat a Senate, they choose the president (the Electoral College). So even if the Republic is restored, you lose.
This is for you, Dorothy Brasch:
A Long Tradition of Fringe Parties and Paranoia
by Michael Medved
The fringe candidates in this election cycle – Cynthia McKinney of the Green Party, Bob Barr of the Libertarians, Chuck Baldwin of the Constitution Party, Ralph Nader in his independent run – all to some extent rely on deeply paranoid conspiracy theories to power their campaigns. In this, they honor a long and embarrassing tradition for third parties, who have usually blamed their own lack of power or influence on the diabolical plots of some secretive group or another.
In fact, the first significant third party in American history arose from fears that a popular fraternal organization actually constituted a murderous power elite that threatened the very foundations of the Republic. The Anti-Masonic Party won startling success in the 1820’s and ‘30’s by focusing on wild suppositions concerning the mysterious disappearance of a hard-drinking bricklayer in upstate New York. William Morgan fell deeply into debt in 1826 and began quarreling with fellow members of the local Masonic lodge in Batavia, then threatened to make some money by writing a sensational book revealing the dark secrets of Freemasonry. On September 11th (!) authorities arrested him for his unpaid debts and a group of Masons abducted him from the village jail. Morgan never returned and no one ever found his body, but accounts of his alleged murder became a national sensation –while the Masons denied all wrong-doing.
The lurid case – and the relatively light punishment for those accused of Morgan’s kidnapping – gave rise to an impassioned political movement, demanding the suppression of Freemasonry and a ban on all Masons holding public office. So many prominent leaders proudly identified as Masons – including Benjamin Franklin, John Hancock, Presidents George Washington, James Monroe, Andrew Jackson and James K. Polk, Chief Justice John Marshall, Speaker of the House Henry Clay and New York Governor DeWitt Clinton – that the Anti-Masonic Party successfully mobilized general resentments toward the privileged and the powerful. The party published 35 weekly newspapers in New York alone. They elected governors of both Pennsylvania and Vermont as protest candidates and drew young anti-Jacksonians into politics for the first time (including William Henry Seward, future Senator and Secretary of State). Another militant member of the Anti-Masonic movement, Thaddeus Stevens of Pennsylvania (later the Republican leader of the House who led impeachment efforts against President (and Freemason) Andrew Johnson), summed up the party’s subtle, understated approach by characterizing Masons as “a feeble band of lowly reptiles” and describing the Masonic Grand Lodge as “a chartered iniquity, within whose jaws are crushed the bones of immortal men, and whose mouth is continually reeking with human blood, and spitting forth human gore.”
The Anti-Masons themselves spat forth a major political innovation: convening the first ever national presidential nominating convention in 1832. They chose as their standard-bearer the distinguished legal scholar William Wirt of Virginia, who served longer as U.S. Attorney General (twelve years) than anyone in history. Ironically, he was also a long-time Mason who had recently left the order, but pointedly defended and praised it in his acceptance speech. Running against active Masons Andrew Jackson and Henry Clay, Wirt drew 7.78% of the popular vote, carried the state of Vermont (for seven electoral votes) and finished ahead of President Jackson in Massachusetts. Despite this impressive showing, Wirt retired and the party quickly collapsed – though as late as 1884 Jonathan Blanchard (founding president of the esteemed Christian institution, Wheaton College in Illinois) ran his own quixotic presidential campaign on the Anti-Masonic Ticket.
Despite the abject failure of all the “anti-Masonic” agitators, in the last 180 years we’ve remained obviously free from the horrifying domination of Freemasonry—though some of the followers of today’s fringe parties (many of whom suffer night-sweats over the “North American Union” and other chimeras) may still insist that our very freedom is nothing more than an illusion, planted by the diabolical forces always ready to impose their conspiratorial will.
Ron Paul is not a mason, but his father is. Not that it really matters, because you can’t even become a mason if you are not a Christian. And as others have pointed out, MANY prior Presidents, signors of the Constitution, founding fathers, etc were masons. The public is very sadly unaware of what masons are and what they do. They are not a secret society, you can join tomorrow if you like, you just need a current mason to sponsor you (as a mentor of sorts). Oh, and the Skull & Bones organization is not an off-shoot of masonry, it is totally unrelated. Neither of the Bush boys were masons. Although, many of our heros in history were: George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, Patrick Henry, Paul Revere, Henry Clay, Davy Crockett, Winston Churchill, Gerald Ford, Thurgood Marshall, Andrew Jackson, Sam Houston, FDR, Harry Truman, Gen Douglas McArthur, several other “minor” Presidents, even many entertainers and industry giants like Henry Ford, John Wayne, Roy Rogers, Will Rogers, Audie Murphy, Red Skelton, Rogers Hornsby, the founder of St Jude’s (Danny Thomas), Harry Houdini, Col Sanders, Samuel L Clemens “Mark Twain”, Rev Norman Vincent Peale, Rudyard Kipling, Jesse Jackson, Clark Gable, Duke Ellington, Sir Arhtur Conan Doyle, and the list goes on and on…
Dorothy,
You should also be aware that George W. Bush is a member of the secretive Skull & Bones group.
It’s just a Masonic off-shoot.
dr paul thank you for your time..what is you position on hemp being used for fuel?it seems like a good way to get off oil and clean up the air.
To me it seems you people believe a little to much of what the media tells you. come on i cant believe you actually believe this black pr that is being spread by rumor-mongers. just look at what ron paul is doing that is all you need to know about him because a persons actions is what shows who they are and what they believe in NOT what someone else who probably have never meet him says he is or thinks.
Here is where people go off on a tangent. Issues to one are not for another. This is where States Rights come in. The Federal Government’s only “JOB” is to protect and defend America, not the World! That is what this Man Ron Paul is about. He single handedly will restore Government as it was meant to be. The Business of Government is NOT to interfere with the FREE MARKET, the People did very well for over 135 years before the BANKSTERS took over the Money System, illegally, I might add. Abortion, Gay, Education, are STATE Issues and must be sorted out by the PEOPLE. WE have become the World’s Cop by sticking our noses in other peoples Business like an annoying Dog. It’s time to get it on a leash. That’s what Ron Paul will do!
Individual freedom is incompatible with group rights, which is the foundation for group identity (viwed as supremacy/ inferiority of groups), leading to group discrimination: racism & sexism.
Ron Paul is a true American! He is NOT by any stretch a ‘racist’! Anyone who would make that accusation is a blubbering idiot with an entitlement mentality!
Ron Paul is a damned fool. Almost all of the changes he suggests will result in disaster for our country — thank god he didn’t win the nomination.
your a retard for sure. if you would actually think about his plans and proposals you would realize they are great ideas.
yeah your dumb do your homework….(that means reading things not main stream media)
Wow does your comment look terrible now that Ron Paul has been right all along. Look at everything he has been saying. It all happened and will continue to happen until people like you open your eyes to the facts instead of mainstreem “spin politics” that you love so much.
In a couple years, you’ll eat your words. I guarantee it.
Ron Paul is awesome. He realized that life will be better if the government just steps back and does nothing. Some people say nothing will get done, but they’re just crazy people. Ron Paul is definitely gonnna win, and that makes me happy.
nathan AMEN i for one come from a long line of freemasons dorothy couldnt be more wrong the american people ned to research things IE.politics laws social stuides (not like high school) befor they speak about them this is the reason the gas prices among other things are out of control they just dont belive some top level dission /law making people are alowed to lie cheat and steal from our great country as a side note watch loose change this rant will make sence i love amirica george will not be happy till we are standing in line for tollit paper the goverment is handing out wee need to stop it now ron paul and jesse need to be in the white house just my oppion i look forwerd to the comments
If your a Free Mason, why do you spell horribly? I understand you guys are highly illuminated and telepathic?
Dorothy, I’m sorry but you are very sadly mistaken. The Masons run things like “Shriners”. You also have to believe in god before you can even become a Mason. If Ron Paul loses, it’s not because he wasn’t the best canditate. On the contrary; it’s because the public at large is ignorant to the real issues and facts. I’ve no opinion on whether or not Ron Paul was a mason or not, (though that has no bearing), but you do know that the United States has had many masonic presidents to date?
Hate breeds hate and Ignorance breeds ignorance. I am reminded of a very good quote:
“Most people would rather die than think for themselves; And in fact, most do so.”
i am a sophmore in collge and my major is education and i was wonder what would happen to education in the country if your voted president
As a former elementary school teacher, I am saddened to read that your major is education when your grammar is so poor. This is what is wrong with education in America today. Why are we allowing high school students to graduate when they do not understand such basic grammatical rules such as when to use “your” and you’re” or when to capitalize words? There is no doubt you will obtain your BS in education, from whatever college you are attending, without ever having a firm grasp on proper grammar. I truly mean no disrespect, I can only hope that my words serve to motivate you to pick up an English textbook and educate yourself (as it is obvious that your elementary and high schools failed to do so). A future teacher really shouldn’t have 9 errors in a single (run-on) sentence containing 27 words. This is how your question should have read: “I am a Sophomore in college and my major is Education. I was wondering what would happen to education in this country if you’re voted president.” Still a poorly written sentence, but at least it is grammatically correct now.
And, no, I am not some 70 year old, crotchety school marm. I am a well educated 30 year old white American male who grew up poor and on the wrong side of the tracks. This is the reason it pains me to see such blatant disregard for our language and educational system. How do we expect to “rise against” when most of America’s young can’t stop text messaging long enough to pay attention in class? Please wake up Jimmy, you are doing a disservice to the future of our great country if you plan on teaching them.
Sorry for the rant, I could not let this one pass by unchecked.
I am a 22 year old male attending college and I can honestly say that half of my english class has trouble reading a basic sentence.
How does Ron Paul feel about limiting Marriage to one man-one woman and putting it in the constitution of a state or country?
Like most folks his age, on this single subject Rep. Paul has allowed his generational prejudice to influence his opinion. While an ethically consistent and constitutionally adherent person would realize that marriage is a social contract between two consenting adults, and therefore beyond the scope of state regulation, Rep. Paul has meekly answered that he would be willing to look at civil unions as a resolution to a subject that clearly makes him uncomfortable. I was disappointed.
In the interest of your discrediting Ron Paul on the subject of marriage. Marriage has and always will be a word that is defined by between man and a woman. Ron Paul respect’s the right of two individuals voluntarily forming a union. He cannot however change the meaning of words. Ergo civil unions that are completely equal to marriage, would be maintaining the right meaning of words, while preserving civil liberties. That is a perfect balance. You cant call an apple an orange. Same sex unions will always be same sex unions, and marriage will always be between man and a woman. Ron as usual is completely correct and uninfluenced by anyone or thing other than his superior mind.
What is this on rense.com says that Ron Paul was a Mason and so is his wife? I thought they were – Baptist – Christians. Masonry is totally against God of the bible and the worship of Satan. This support for Ron Paul is not passing the smell test if these are the facts. I don’t want to be a supporter of Masonry as my presidential choice. I gave this guy cash support and now this horrible information is popping up. What is with the people of this nation? Doesn’t anyone know anything about God and what He abhors.
The constitution party is looking better all the time.
Dorothy, while I appreciate your fervent zeal concerning God, which I share your sentiments, your view of the Mason’s is riddled with inaccuracy. George Washington, we all know, was a Mason, and was instrumental in founding our country based on a firm faith in God. Recorded history shows his many hours on bended knee supplicating devine guidance. Many of the Founding Fathers were, in fact, Masons. They were definately not godless people, nor were they Satan worshipers. While not a Mason myself, I know their membership is comprised of men from many Christian religions, including Baptists, Lutherens, Mormons, Presbyterians, Catholics, etc. So, to answer your question, “What is with the people of this nation?” the answer could very well be…they are trying their best to serve God the best way they know how. Remember the Good Samaritan story and take the principle to heart of loving those who are different from you.
I agree with Dorothy on this one Mr. McEuen. The Masons are not a “Christian” organization. They are secretive and do not worship ‘the True God’. They give lip-service to a collective “fatherhood of believers” and use many symbols from Solomon’s temple as part of their rite, but to say they have a belief in a god would be more to the point. If Ron Paul is a Mason, he would then be part of the established secretive order that is so pervasive in this and other governments. Remember too, that just because so called Christians belong to the Masons does not make their confession sincere. In the end, all will kneel before King Jesus, and will confess Him Lord.
Mike,
If you would like to kneel before Jesus thats your choice. It is not what the constitution requires. Our forefathers believed in the seperation of Church and state even though they were religious. A secular nation is what the United States is. Not a christian nation. I mean no ill will todars Christians or people any any belief but I have a tremendous respect for the founding fathers and what they envisioned The Untied States to be. It is advisible to vote for candidates based on their voting record and character in lue of their religious beliefs. Becuase beliefs are just that, beliefs. The constitutions is the “scripture” of this land, the suppossed word of god is not. I mean that not only to Christians but buddist, muslims, mormons and the like. Respect the constitution and those that died and sacfificed for it.
Your history lesson is flawed and your statement regarding the constitutional separation of church and state is erroneous. The constitution was bastardized in this regard by godless, activist courts in this country in the 1960’s and accepted by an ignorant populace. First because they were ignorant and second because they want to believe it. The so-called separation of church and state is not in the constitution what-so-ever. The constitution only stated that “the government could not make any laws regarding the establishment of a religion”. Meaning that no one could ever be compelled to worship or be a Christian or a member of any other religion. The federalist papers and other co-lateral writings of the founding fathers made, and make, it beyond dispute that this was founded as a Christian nation. That did not mean that anyone would ever be compelled to be a Christian. Further all of the constitution and most of our laws are based on the one and only “Holy Bible”. Every argument to the contrary is based on ignorance of history, lack of research or self serving wishful thinking.
I agree in principle with your response, but if the Constitution is the “Holy Grail” of this country, and we revere it in the secular arena as much as those in the spiritual arena revere and obey God’s word, then tell me why only a minority find it necessary to see the Constitutional as THE foundation for the so-called lawmakers in this country. I am in concurrence with obeying the Constitution and the laws that are spawned from it how ever concrete one may make the law seem, most of the time it applies differently to people groups in separate financial classes. As long as constitutional laws abide differently for various crimes (likee tax evasion), then give me the Bible every time, because I know that God’s law applies to eveyone without regard to social status. I can break laws in this country and escape penalty, not so with the Supreme Law. For instance the adjudication of Roe v. Wade, was and is the court interfering with the Seventh Commandment. The Constitution to this day remains silent. It never intended to be involved in “baby-killing” until some activist judge said it did. As far as beliefs are concerned, the matter does point to character. No matter what spin you put on it, the voters respect people who confess what they believe in. I never said they always like it.
Dont be naive most of if not all of your presidents dating back to the first president were masons. The and masonry isnt anything like devil worship its more like christianity than anything else (which is kinda like devil worship anyway…). The real issue is rather or not this man has the best ideas for the benefit of this nation. I am Muslim and i wouldnt care if this guy were a devil worshipper he has the most respect for the constitutions ideals
Ron Paul 2012!!!!!! GO! GO! GO!
That is a truly American ideology. Thank you sir!
I would not worry about that and maybe you should try and ask the guy first then just diving into what you read. I am not to worried about the masons. I am glad to see that Ron Paul is not part of the CFR or tri lateral commission or the bilderberg group. Those are the ones we need to watch out for closer. So in short dont bitch and run yet
Dorothy,
Your statement, “Masonry is totally against God of the bible and the worship of Satan,” indicates a lack of knowledge and an inability to compose a logical sentence (”…against God…and the worship of Satan.” Against the worship of Satan?) Are you a Mason that know their beliefs?
I don’t know (or care) whether he is a Mason (I am not). But I understand that several of our Founding Fathers (including George Washington) were. Do you believe that Masonry caused them to fail in their roles?
I agree with jaja: “I am glad to see that Ron Paul is not part of the CFR or tri lateral commission or the bilderberg group. Those are the ones we need to watch out for closer.”
Work on your facts, logic and syntax before trying to condemn and educate others.
Dorothy,
Mason’s aren’t Satan worshippers. That is a gross misunderstanding. Mason’s use the bible in their cermonies. They believe in a higher power, but allow you to call him whatever your religion recognizes his name. Masons have Christians, Muslims, and Jews in their organization. Please do more research on topics before stating blantant misuderstandings.
Thanks
You might be mistaken. I listened to a video about the much higher levels of this organization and it is quite satanic. They keep the lower levels at a different understanding of what the organization is really all about.
Freemasonry refers to the principles, institutions, and practices of the fraternal order of the Free and Accepted Masons. The largest worldwide society, Freemasonry is an organization of men based on the “fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of man,” using builders’ tools as symbols to teach basic moral truths generally accepted by persons of good will. Their motto is “morality in which all men agree, that is, to be good men and true.” It is religious in that a belief in a Supreme Being and in the immortality of the soul are the two prime requirements for membership, but it is nonsectarian in that no religious test is used.1 The purpose of Freemasonry is to enable men to meet in harmony, to promote friendship, and to be charitable. Its basic ideals are that all persons are the children of one God, that all persons are related to each other, and that the best way to worship God is to be of service to people.
What is your stand on two issues:
The Second Amendment-The right to bear arms.
Israel (read Genesis12:2 and 3).
Thank You.
And also read the Second amendment to the Constitution.
“Right To Bear Arms.
it must have been awesome that the people in the bible were able to live into their hundreds, right!? hmph, i guess 2000 years ago people were just able to live well past the common age of death that is now.77.they must have had more faith than you since they needed none of the medical technology we have today…must be nice not living in reality