Border Security
A nation without borders is no nation at all. After decades of misguided policies America has now become a free-for-all. Our leaders betrayed the middle class which is forced to compete with illegal immigrants who will work for almost anything, just because the standards in their home countries are even lower.
If these policies are not reversed, the future is grim. A third-world style “North American Union” is not out of the question and it would be a fascist elite’s dream come true. A poor, dependent and divided population is much easier to rule than a nation of self-confident individuals who can make a living on their own and who share the traditions and values that this country was founded upon.
If you disagree with a de-facto economic union with Mexico and Canada please consider speaking out today. Any future opposition will be irrelevant because the facts on the ground are being created right now. Every day that passes makes it more difficult to reverse the damage that has already been done.
Ron Paul’s six point plan puts a stop to illegal immigration:
- Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated immigration reform proposals.
- Enforce visa rules. Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law. This is especially important when we recall that a number of 9/11 terrorists had expired visas.
- No amnesty. Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are in our country illegally. That’s a lot of people to reward for breaking our laws.
- No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed immigrants who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules. But taxpayers should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals, clinics, schools, roads, and social services.
- End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S. illegally will remain strong.
- Pass true immigration reform. The current system is incoherent and unfair. But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity. Legal immigrants from all countries should face the same rules and waiting periods.
Join the Ron Paul Revolution and help us put illegal immigrants where they belong: back to their home countries right at the end of the line of legal immigrants patiently waiting to be approved.
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The only border security America needs is surrounding Washington D.C. to pen in all of the politicians who are un-American. We have plenty of them. This would include the shadow government, NWO folks and heads of some corporations like Monsanto, AIG, Goldman Sachs and more. They need to be cut off from the rest of us so we can start afresh and anew…as a republic and be free of their psychopathic plans. These folks should be in therapy! There are psychological classifications for folks who think like they do, dare we call them leaders?
There is a defining difference between Americans and the corporation that is the federal government, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. America is one thing and the corporte government is quite another. Our government no longer represents us (hasn’t for years) or listens to us.
We need to strip them of their jobs and corrupt businesses. How would they like to have the experience of joining the unemployment and food lines, foreclose on their homes, no loan modifications, set up tent cities, not give them any loans for a business, feed them GMO food, put fluoride in their water, fly chemtrails WA D.C. so the air they breathe will cause illness and the ground they grow food on will be full of chemicals, give them a bit of HAARP, give them controlled media and TV to watch full of dumb down programs and propeganda, no internet, wire tap and put cameras up to watch their every move, no passports, submit their medical records so we can deny them care when the time comes, reduce their medical care and give them death counseling (they are all getting pretty old now), and no education whatsoever to retrain and retool. They can have the stinkin’ 10 mile radius they stole in the Act of 1871….just give us back America, the America we love!! the America that is full of good-hearted people who want to live in peace and not be the police of the world, antagonizing, disregarding and disrupting life everywhere and have no hint of “world domination” in our blood. Bring home the troops and let’s rebuild America! We’ve got plenty of work to do for all to be employed! We can pull together and do it…do it all for free, give and receive freely so all humans have their basic human needs met…nutritious food, pure water, housing, clothing, healthcare, education, a way to contribute to building strong communities across this nation. This is the American Spirit.
And when the dollar crashes, as it is most certain to do, we will have a window of opportunity to be rid of the tool they have used for destruction the world over. We will learn to value ourselves and each other and not let the abundance or the lack of money determine our choices or decisions, but rather re-discover that what is of true value is us, humanity. We will take care of this earth with respect and have respect for all life everywhere.
Money is worthless sheets of paper or electronic blips on a cash machine. And we have let this control our choices and the quality of our lives? When we allow money to rule the world, God (Love) isn’t. Money is fake, just someone’s imagination that has captured our false belief in it. Love is real. We will solve poverty and elitism at the same time when we choose to believe in what is real.
As a LEGAL immigrant I FULLY support Ron Paul’s stance on this.
It is a PRIVILEGE to live and work in this country NOT a right. And part of the privilege is OBEYING THE LAW. By definition, breaking immigration laws to get into this country should disqualify you from immigration.
Ireland and New Zealand both removed the birthright for children of illegal immigrants, via a constitutional referendum vote a few years ago.
I’d support birthright to children only for permanent residents and possibly parents on work visas (which is not to say I don’t think the H1B visa should be overhauled, particularly because employers VIOLATE terms of H1Bs and underpay the workers).
Don’t you all think the government’s spending would be better directed to increasing border security with more police, instead of spending $700 BILLION on the pentagon and a standing army that eventually begs to be deployed somewhere (hence Iraq).
I loved Tony Blair’s assertion that he still believed they did the right thing in Iraq, that they really believed that Iraq had WMD and had to act. If that’s his argument, why haven’t they invaded North Korea? There’s no ‘rumour’ about WMD, they’ve already detonated 2 atomic weapons.
I agree with your 6 point plan, Ron. I would add a few things, however.
1) Punish all illegal aliens with stiff fines before deportation, to reimburse the tax payers as much as possible. In addition, we should consider confiscating belongings, such as cars and other high price belongings that the illegals have acquired while present in our nation illegally, and auction them off to the American public.
2) Punish all employers of Illegal aliens with stiff fines, loss of ownership of their business, and mandatory prison time.
3) And lastly, any repeat offender, in other words, someone who has already been deported once and has once again illegally entered America, should be treated as a foreign terrorist, on the grounds of Economic Terrorism.
Ryan: Number 3 is a little harsh but I agree with you on #1 and #2. Maybe we should have them do a sentence of hard labor and then send them back to their countries instead of treating them as terrorists as you suggest in #3.
Perhaps I am a bit too harsh. After 40 years of watching my past/present/and future stolen by foreign thieves, with the approval of our political ‘leaders’ no less, I’m past the point where I can be satisfied with a quick trip to the nearest border for immediate release. All I really want is enforceable laws that make it highly unprofitable for people to enter America illegally, so they don’t continue to do it. And for those that keep coming back illegally, repeatedly wasting Tax Payer money and Law Enforcement manpower and time, I’d like to escalate the cost to the illegal alien in question. At some point they will stop coming due to ever-increasing losses to their own wallet, not to mention their own personal freedom. In any case, I really want this nightmare of illegal invasion / and massive abuse of American tax payers / and casual disregard of our national sovereignty, to come to a swift and decisive end, very soon.
ONE POINT FIX to ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION: Fine the employers of illegals — problem fixed, done, over….
This was done in Kansas a few years ago and 4 large meat packing plants went bankrupt. Kansas begged the INS to stop. This border stuff is a big scam to get cheap labor with no labor rights. We just pretend we want to stop it. Fining employers would stop the problem in a week, but it would bring financial ruin, so we live with this “Let’s all pretend we really don’t want them, and let’s spend lots of time and money on this so most of our dumb voters will think we are really trying.”
When it comes to immigration I’m in agreement with Senator Ron Paul. I was born in Massachusetts but also lived in a few parts of Florida and I can tell you from personal experience we need to completely rethink our position on this subject. I applied for a job in Fl as a project manager but was denied because I didn’t speak Spanish. Now you tell me how fair that is, I have traced my family tree back to the freaking mayflower. My grandfather like many fought in ww2. How fair is it that I’m denied a job because I don’t speak a foreign language. These illegals need to go and if they want to come back do it the right way. I don’t care if a child of illegal immigrants is born in this country, he or she is not a citizen. American citizens need to take back their country before it is outsourced to India or China, I know some of you will think that is wrong but it is not, Everyone has the right to the American dream, it’s just the one’s that were born here should get it first.
Looking for work also and running into a lot of job descriptions I’ve not seen before like….bi-lingual preferred.
I applied for a city job yesterday, first day it was posted. 52 other applicants. Checked status today, 85 and growing! Job does not close until Jan 15 so you can imagine how many applicants there will be by then. On another city job, more than 1,000 applicants for one job. Jobs are also being reduced to PT and adding MA or BA degrees when not necessary for the type of work. Few jobs and all these stipulations further reduces job opportunities.
Most jobs are looking for younger people. They are more up to date on electronics and start out with at much less pay. You’ve got to show them something that they don’t have, and that your capable of performing up to date tasks. Good luck.
No problem with the up-to-date skills Sean or experience. Much more than young ones who just know what’s in the book and no experience. It’s the border problem, bi-lingual — catering to criminals who have broken the immigration laws and no enforcement. And this administration is a much bigger problem to businesses trying to stay in business by hiring PT. Double digit unemployment. Cost of living rising. Chaos…socialistic government full of liars is a complete failure. All the while Goldman Sachs employees will get in bonuses something like 1/3 of the GDP.
Well all this stuff happened because of George Bush, but I agree that there could be extra steps taken to fix things not faster, but better.
Not really Sean. It happened because of the government that operates and has operated in the shadows. Presidents are appointed, not elected. Elections are fraudulently modified by adjusting the voting machines modems and the media, owned by the same shadow elite, controls who gets focused on…and as in the case of Ron Paul when he was surprisingly ahead…focused away from. Presidents are speech givers. They say what they are told to say and do what they are told to do by the elite behind the scenes who control the game. Been this way for years, and when they don’t….well, JFK.
haha, ya rahm emanuel’s the main elitist holding obama hostage.. To be truthful, I think every administration is it’s own gang.
Suit wearing Gangsters and Banksters.
A congressman uncovers two buried studies showing the impacts of illegal immigration, smuggling
http://www.tucsonweekly.com/tucson/threats-and-degradation/Content?oid=1624502
This post speaks to the murders of our US Army troops today. We need to have a nation of common heritage who share the traditions and values of this country. Obviously this guy didn’t share those values and I wonder about his Palestinian parents. I say “America- Love it or Leave it”!
Are we in a war on terror? We always have been as Christians and Americans. Ephesians 6:12 “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places”.
Please pray for our country this weekend and ask that we all seriously reconsider our great Judeo-Christian heritage!
Anyone who enters the country with no intent to gain lawful citizenship, obtains services paid for by US tax dollars when they themselves do not pay taxxes, and contribute to a percentage of a foreign contries GDP by sending their earnings back to that country is by defenition a terrorist. These domestic terrorists need to be dealt with by, instead of the focus given by homeland security on citizens.
STOP THE TERRORISM NOW
We are not against anyone, no matter the color, making a good wage in exchange for the work they do. We all need a wage that supports a decent way of life and to enjoy living. What we are against is the corporate mindset, of making huge profits off all of us and not paying us decent wages for our contribution to the “corp”. We are against the corps using the influx of other nationalities to justify lowering the wages for any of us! It is taking advantage of all of us and lowering our standard of living. There are those of us who have lived long enough to see the decline. At the same time, we have lived and worked long enough that we thought we were working hard towards something, our version of the American Dream….but it is vaporizing…due to the corporations. Our American government is also a corporation, as in the Unitied Kingdom. Only fairly recently have many of us uncovered this little secret that explains their attitude towards us, the not listening to us, and giving us programs that sooner or later go broke, even though we have paid into them… to eventually get something out of it, to find it was all a scam for all those years of deductiosn from our paychecks. The healthcare bill will be no different. The U.S. government, a federal corporations has so much fraud, so much mismanagement, using the dollars from ordinary hard working Americans to bailout corporations (who have made the financial mistakes). These corps should pay for their own mistakes instead of sucking what little personal wealth we may have. So we all have basic needs that need to be met…all of us do…and we all deserve fair treatment in the workplace.
Check out this video series on the corporations, Psychopath, Inc. These corps we work for actually contribute to pollution and poverty…not wealth for you and me. They are not interested in that. They are interested in making their shareholders happy and wealthy.
We really don’t want to be fighting each other, which is what they want us to do, we really want a system that values and appreciates all of us and allows all of us to enjoy a good life. We all deserve it. Somehow the system has to change!
http://www.livingquests.com/
(righthand column, scroll down towards bottom for links on corps)
http://www.livingquests.com/america/UNITED_STATES_OF_AMERICA_corporation.html
ive worked as a drywall finisher and painter for 26 years now i cant make enough money to pay my bills thanks to the illegal invasion they have beat the price down to nothing we use to make between 800 and 1000 a week now maybe 400 if your lucky to find a job. no one talks about the fact the illegals brought h1n1 to america and will kill an estimated 90 thousand americans this should be a terrorist act. we need to go to war.
That h1n1 statement was the most ignorant thing ive heard this year. An estimated 90 thousand? really you believe that? The swine flu isnt even that bad unless you have a bad immune system i didnt die and i didnt get it from an illegal i got it from a white person. America needs to go to war against idiots like yourself forrester. Have you ever thought about it from their side? America is the land of opportunity, in Mexico it is dangerous as hell, would you want to live there? No. Do you know what the wages are down there? No you dont? Do you know the living conditions there? No. If you had the chance to move to america to better yourself or you family wouldnt you take the opportunity. Yes you would because thats what a real man does, he takes opportunity and makes the best of it when he see’s it. If you cant make it as a dry wall finisher and painter then learn some new skills. Mexicans specialize in things like that so pick something that they wouldnt do and your problem is solved. Quit crying, life is tought so deal with it and quit being a baby. Without mexicans the country would be crap because WE do all the stuff YOU dont want to do. Because you think its gross or it doesnt pay well. WE actully work hard for what we have. Even if the pay isnt great we still do it, we dont sit around like some white or black people and collect welfare and unemployment checks. When you see a homeless man on the side of the free way if he is white he is holding up a sign saying “spare change, im homeless and want help: or some other excuse to sit on their a$$ and collect change. If you see a mexican the sign says “will WORK for food or money”. White people are so ridiculiously lazy and are so quick to blame everybody else for THEIR problems. Mexicans, blacks, and other races of that sort have it WAY WORSE than you. You have no idea what it is like to have white people constantly talk trash on your race because they are willing to do work for a cheaper wage. We arent greedy with our wages, we work for what we have and are happy with what we get. We dont sit around and cry all day, we get up and find a job. Forrester you need to stop blaming others for your problems and get a better job if you dont like all the illegals with swine flu taking your opportunities. Maybe lower your wages and see what their life is like.
You’re ignoring the fact that he was making it as drywaller. Like too many people you’re ignoring the blow the economy takes by underpaying people, creating more poverty and a diminished middle class. You’re ignoring that corporation owners make higher profits than ever through outsourcing and hiring illegals they can pay next to nothing to do the same jobs. Why should people be happy with their way of life decaying? Granted things are worse in Mexico, but they are also worse in an unfortunately large part of the world. Should we bring all of them here? And then when illegal immigrants from say china are working at jobs for half as much as those from Mexico would you take the same approach and say “i guess WE’RE just lazy and undeserving of decent pay?” No.
You obviously have a racist biased that over rides your logic, if you have any logic that is.
My father worked construction until his employer told him he was more of a liability than an asset due to failing health. While i was growing up i was always around construction workers, and it was about 50/50 whites and mexicans. Now the only white people on the job are typically foremans. We will do the jobs, we do do those jobs, but not for shit pay, we shouldn’t have to (and thats coming from someone who’s never had a job above minimum wage.)
As for the welfare issue, i’m guessing you’ve never been in a welfare office. If you were you’d no that it is mostly filled with mexicans, and a couple whites or blacks.
He was talking about ILLEGALS not MEXICANS. As a matter of fact he didn’t even mention mexicans. You made it racial.
Kassie, you are a racist whether you realize it or not. My family came to this country legally. Fought and earned everything they have through hard work. Being an American means having the right to give up your job, your time, or your money to help people…if you so choose. As General Fox has invaded this country without firing a shot, many Americans like the one you responded to have been FORCED to give up their jobs, money, and time. The differnece is choice. The issue is legal entry to this country. Consider that as someday your HARD EARNED money doing work that others dont want to do is TAKEN from you to pay for someone elses’ illegal activity. That is the reality of the illegal immigration problem.
Kassie,
Believe me when I say, I know and understand exactly what you are saying and trying to say, but you cant put all your emotions when you are writing. You must look at it from all angles.
It is ashame that ignorance still runs rampant in this country, the land of “oppurtunity”….But its here and not going anywhere.
You do come off a little racist, but again I get it. I understand because nothing pisses me off more than seeing people take advantage of the system we have put into place to help people that really need it.
I agree with a lot of things that Ron Paul stand for, but immigration will always be that catch 22. What every race and ethnicity needs to understand is that they are all IMMIGRANTS too. So if anyone needs to get out, its everyone else but the Indigenous Americans (natives like Sioux, Cherokee, Apache, even Aztecs)…For all the ignorant people, please pick up a simple history book and you will see that this land was never “founded” it was taken from the rightful owners.
The way I see it, Immigration should be allowed under certain circumstances….Lets take Mexico as an example. Mexican immigrants should be allowed to come into this country, given that they pass a complete and thorough background check between both nations. Once that immigrant is allowed in the U.S. they will be responsible just like every other American to be able to pay taxes and not be paid “under the table”…They will be held accountable just like every other American citizen. Now this leaves a hole or gap because then we would have to pay the new Americans the same wage as other Americans and that is the catch 22.
Americans will never do the jobs that immigrants do, trust me…Ive picked fields and fields of tomatoes, watermelons, onions, and pecans in fall…Ive worked the field for a long time, hauling hay, plowing, raking, and got paid damn near nothing…
Ask an American if they will work an onion field for $.10 a pound, nope….
An early scene in “The Man Who Would Be King” takes place in the office of an English colonial administrator in India. To stay cool, he had a big fan over his head flapped by a servant via a string attached to the servant’s toe. That’s pretty great! If wages weren’t so damn high here in America, I could have my own Untouchable toe-fanning servant too, instead of having to use my boring, totally uncool electric fan.
Think of all the other hundreds of millions of jobs that could be created in America if wages fell to 19th Century Indian levels!
Of course, I couldn’t actually afford to pay my toe-fanning flunky the full cost of what it would take for him and his family to live in America, but I believe the externalities of my servant’s existence should be borne by the public at large, not by me. Thus, my worker’s kids should get free schooling, the whole family should get free health care at the emergency room, his tenement should get fire and police protection, he should drive without car insurance, etc. Why shouldn’t I cost shift my conveniences on to everybody else?
When all is said and said all over again the only way to stop all the madness and get us back on track is to wake up our elected representatives. The only way to get there true attention is to remove the ones there now. Do not vote them in. We need action. We need a Ron Paul and all that support him to get our America back. Whatever you call yourself DEMS,REPUBS,RIGHTY, LEFTY, CONSERVATIVES, LIBS ETC. If we want to be a free Americans we better get it together and focus on the right leadership!
Well i would say this. Any person in the world who believes in and is willing to dedicate their lives to, and if necessary die for the defense of the principles of freedom and justice established in the Constitution of the United States of America should be welcomed here.
Any person seeking to immigrate here for the simple purpose of financial gain without any dedication to these principles, along with every US Citizen who was born here, and is eating up the socialist bullshit created by our banks and promoted by the politicians they control, who would make us like all of the other hopeless and miserable places in the world, should be deported, along with those who create and promote the bullshit.
America is the single and only country in the world, which created for the purpose of establishing individual freedom for its population, and is the only state which at least in theory, serves its population, instead of the other way around. Those willing to support and defend this purpose are the ones who have the right to be here, regardless of where they come from.
Dude, i just gotta say i dunno. I hate to agree, but i think i have to. I mean, it makes sense what ronnie says here, but it sounds so nazi, yknow? A bit of a moral dilemma I spose. I would like to know exactly what kind of facilities dr. paul plans on putting in place to allow for legal immigration. How much immigration will be allowed? How much will this COST? Aren’t the illegal immigrants who ‘take advantage of our healthcare and school system’ also paying income taxes for the jobs they do?
Furthermore, I’d like to know how many people would like to have to pay US citizen’s wages for the jobs that the illegal immigrants do. any takers for a 100 dollar-a-night stay at the friggin motel 8?
The president is giving away our country, and our security. Don’t listen to the things he says, watch the things he does. He has lied about everything he said he was going to do, and has almost done the complete opposite of every campaign promise he has made. He will not close the border, he is on record as saying he wants a govt run program that will get rid of private insurance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk
Dont trust this guy. Hes got some stuff up his sleeve that will destroy America
Truer words were never spoken!
The president is giving away our country, and our security. Don’t listen to the things he says, watch the things he does. He has lied about everything he said he was going to do, and has almost done the complete opposite of every campaign promise he has made.
The government has purposefully left the border open. This way they can do what they always do to foreign countries when they go in to destabilize the country first, start a war, then take it over with a new government. In case you haven’t noticed, America is in a destabilization process.
They get the people to fight amongst themselves, even kill each other, cause utter chaos so they don’t band together as a mighty force against the workings of the cartel. Saves the cartel running America these days lots of money to destroy a country in this way.
They have no personal interest in anybody except themselves. They aren’t even genuinely interested in the healthcare issues, only in that it causes us to fight each other and it’s distracting so we don’t notice all else the cartel is doing and put the pieces together.
Next in their plan…a new government for the North American Union with UN involvement.
So if you know this, do the opposite and band together as a mighty force against the workings of the cartel, all and everyone. They just use people as a means to their end. Their only interest is that we comply as expected, mind-controlled. But think for yourselves human to human and practice non-violent, non-compliance.
“the problem with government conspiracies is that bureaucrats are incompetent and people can’t keep their mouths shut. Complex conspiracies are difficult to pull off, and so many people want their quarter hour of fame that even the Men in Black couldn’t squelch the squealers from spilling the beans. So there’s a good chance that the more elaborate a conspiracy theory is, and the more people that would need to be involved, the less likely it is true.”
-Michael Shermer
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=why-people-believe-in-conspiracies
So why has the border been left open then, Sean?
Is it helping America with the indebtedness to China?
Is it helping Americans with high unemployment?
Or is it increasing turmoil, fighting and chaos?
So why is the healthcare bill being designed so illegals are paid for by paying Americans?
Is it helping Americans lower high healthcare costs?
Is it improving our healthcare system?
Or is it lending to fighting within this country with little effort and cost on the part of the government?
The border hasn’t been left open. They just got finished building a fence across the border. They do patrol it, but like i said, it is an impossible task to monitor thousands of miles of land.
We aren’t having an exchange system for healthcare, no public option.. Besides, the house health care bill was supposed to be self sufficient. It would not be ran from tax dollars. It would be funded by people who buy the insurance. Illegal immigrants would of had to buy into the system like they do any insurance company. Their money would actually make it cheaper for everyone else. The bigger the system, the cheaper it is.
….From the guy who knows nothing about everything.
Sean –
You do not realiz that the health care reform punishes small businesses by leveling large taxes on them and requiring they purchase insurance. It also taxes you and I to pay for the health care of those who do not pay taxes (illegals). Also it is a mandate by the government for you and I to HAVE to purchase something or be fined while those who do not and WILL not work or can claim they don’t work (illegals) have to pay nothing. Also you do not realize that people who currently work and pay lower costs for employer provided health insurance will not be subject to a tax on the health care provided by their employer. So this bill does not pay for itself. If you work as I do then you and I will pay for those persons who do not and will not work. Also by claiming the bigger something is the cheaper it is you are showing a lack of understanding. The bigger more complex a system the more expensive it is to maintain and the more prone it is to waste, malfunction, and collapse i.e. the banking industry, the US government, CONGRESS. Please take the opportunity to understand LIBERTY and what the FOUNDING FATHERS intended for you and I and it is not what we are getting and what the Obama administration is attempting to give us. We need to oust Nazi Pelousy and Scarry Reid and MouBama before our liberty and our freedom are just a fond memory of the good ‘ol times!!
Brandi-
I wrote this when the public option was off the table and we were considering a co-op.. Yes I agree with pretty much everything you say.
I believe we should reform the health insurance corporations instead of creating government competition. We need laws to protect the people instead of government handouts.
But yes, the bigger the co-op system, the cheaper it would become. Just look at the the co-op system we have for car insurance.. It is designed for people at high risk who can’t afford regular insurance. It works just fine, and is cheaper for those who need it… Even Ron Paul was for a co-op system.
hmmmmmm interesting.
Yes, isn’t it. Notice that the U.S. president has been visiting the Canadian and Mexican presidents lately? The North American Union (a step like the EU in Europe towards the new world order, one world government) already exists (Bush created it all by himself without congress and without American’s voice, 2005). It consists of Canada, Mexico and the U.S. It’s not talked about much except in the circles of the secret societies that are busy creating the one world government.
Two brave guys report on it openly.
North American Union – Lou Dobbs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtqAOUvUtZ4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwqjARS-SfE&feature=related
CNN-Lou Dobbs- Obama Backing North American Union Agenda
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgGEv-cdoms
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pyz22I6dgcY
North American Union Question For Ron Paul
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y30k3nkk54
That is unbeleivably scary and I sadly think it is all true! You are completely on the money when u say they only care about themselves. They are psychopaths and it seems to me that it is impossible to rise to the top in politics and business unless you are a psychopath or a narcissist with no concious whatsoever.
I believe that everyone should be free to live where they want.. I understand how immigration can be a problem so we do need rules, but we shouldn’t totally spend all of our time and efforts to prevent people from coming over here. Besides, it’s impossible to achieve such a task. We should enforce the rules, but not overextend our capabilities. Illegal immigrants aren’t supposed to be able to get welfare, but they forge documents… Thats a strong argument for a national ID.
You might as well call martial law to find all the pot smokers and all the 10’s of millions of people who are breaking the law.
Here are some facts about the “what these presidents have in common post:
http://www.searchforthefacts.com/2009/09/hoover-truman-and-eisenhower/
Why is everyone so against illegal immigrants, but indifferent towards/silent about the big American corporations that drive them here?
http://johnperkins.org/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gptzlaG1OE&feature=related
Why do you only cry about your own injustices? How can people expect to be treated fairly when they are unfair towards others? For this reason, I feel I’m giving up. White people just hate everyone else.
Who would complain about illegal immigrants if there was not enormous welfare expense we pay for them? It’s economic sensibility not racial hatred! I want my money for my family not for the welfare that I pay for illegals thru taxes…my taxes
should go to Americans if anyone. How is that too much to ask?!
You want to blame corporations for creating jobs that get stolen? They are able to get the cheaper labor because it is illegal. You want to throw a blanket statement out about white people hating…you have no logic.
actually… Illegal immigrants pay billions of dollars of taxes that they don’t get a return for, and they take the jobs that we don’t want. ANY american can get a job over an illegal immigrant. I would be more happy to hire more typical male construction workers, but there just isn’t a high demand for those jobs.
American workers are more productive. It doesn’t do any good to hire cheap labor if it takes twice as long to get a job done. Trust me, we have been searching for QUALIFIED workers.
Facsinating comment though
To reduce the amount of financial assistance provided to the Government of Mexico in response to the illegal border crossings from Mexico into the United States, which serve to dissipate… (Introduced in Senate)
S 91 IS
111th CONGRESS
1st Session
S. 91
To reduce the amount of financial assistance provided to the Government of Mexico in response to the illegal border crossings from Mexico into the United States, which serve to dissipate the political discontent with the higher unemployment rate within Mexico.
IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES
January 6, 2009
Mr. VITTER introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on Foreign Relations
A BILL
To reduce the amount of financial assistance provided to the Government of Mexico in response to the illegal border crossings from Mexico into the United States, which serve to dissipate the political discontent with the higher unemployment rate within Mexico.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. BORDER CROSSING ACCOUNTABILITY.
(a) Estimation of Annual Illegal Border Crossings- Not later than 30 days after the end of each fiscal year, the Secretary of State, in consultation with the Secretary of Homeland Security, shall estimate the number of illegal border crossings that occurred during such fiscal year along the southern land border of the United States.
(b) Reduction of Foreign Assistance-
(1) IN GENERAL- Except as provided under paragraph (2), the Secretary of State, shall proportionately reduce the amount of financial assistance provided to the Government of Mexico for each fiscal year by a total of $1,000 for each illegal border crossing from Mexico to the United States during the previous fiscal year.
(2) EXCEPTION- Notwithstanding paragraph (1), the Secretary of State may decide not to reduce the amounts appropriated for the Government of Mexico from the International Military Education and Training Fund, the International Narcotics Control and Law Enforcement Fund, and the fund to carry out nonproliferation, anti-terrorism, demining, and related programs and activities.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c111:9:./temp/~c1114KQcgE::
Charlie,
I am sorry you do not know your history and can only bash other people for thinking differently than yourself. You know nothing about me, you assume that I am black or Hispanic, which would be incorrect. You bash me for being ignorant, yet you have obviously fallen for the history that school teaches, which is nothing more than propaganda with specific goals of keeping the population ignorant to promote consumerism. I disagree with the entire system of paying taxes for the government programs you believe me to be on. I do not want to pay taxes to support a system which rewards people for laziness. This problem goes much farther back than just our grandparents, find out about real history before you rant. I myself come from the illegal immigrants I spoke of, we invaded and forced our ideals upon the existing local population, without their consent, and then destroyed or came close to destroying many of their societies. In some cases we committed genocide. I do not condone the actions of my ancestors in this, but I do not hide from the reality of what they accomplished. Yes they worked hard, they did good things as well as bad, and just because we have chosen to ignore the bad parts, does not mean they never happened. If we work on making these people legal, then they will become citizens, subject to our laws, then we have no cause for complaint, and better recourse if they break them. I have met and spoken with many of these people, and in many cases, they are illegal because they were denied their requests for legality even though their families were here. Most of them work harder at jobs we would not want for less pay, and think it is better than where they came from. Many of our current laws restrict our rights as humans, and this is one of the many. I will not bash you for your opinion, because even though I disagree, I value your rights. Your anger is only useful if you are going to fight, insults and condemnation are much of the reason we are in this mess to begin with.
This is all a part of the destabilization process I believe the government is using to their ends of the NWO. If they divide, then we are not united in our humanity against the inhumane who are in high governmental positions right now, in every country…performing their work of tyranny. We have to start looking at ourselves as united in a cause to save our lives.
There is a much bigger issue than all the individual ones our government has given us to deal with all at once to cause the chaos.
This is a real attack on all of us wihtin our own country and worldwide. We are all soldiers now. Let’s unite as a force against tyranny. Do your research on the contaminated vaccine, please. There is a near blackout in the media, so it is up to us to share links and knowledge to those we love and care about, and people we don’t even know. I’ll probably never meet any of you face to face, but I’m sharing the info with you now.
http://livingquests.com
http://www.birdflu666.wordpress.com
http://www.theflucase.com
Join the discussion board to get worldwide input and info. This is happening globally.
Discussion board at http://www.theflucase.com
Jane Bergermeister has file a case against the World Health Organization, Obama and others. We need to support her in her legal pursuit that is intended to help each one of us live.
Everyone concentrates on the problems we’re having in this country lately: illegal immigration, hurricane recovery, alligators attacking people in Florida …
Not me. I concentrate on solutions for the problems. It’s a win-win situation.
+ Dig a moat the length of the Mexican border.
+ Send the dirt to New Orleans to raise the level of the levies.
+ Put the Florida alligators in the moat along the Mexican border.
Any other problems you would like for me to solve today ?
Hey where did you get that quote? I wrote that!!
PLAGERISM!
gust 20th, 2009 at 10:54 am
Deportation
What do these presidents have in common???—Surprised me!!!!
What did Hoover, Truman, and Eisenhower have in common?
Here is something that should be of great interest for you to pass around.
I didn’t know of this until it was pointed out to me.
Back during The Great Depression, President Herbert Hoover ordered the
deportation of ALL illegal aliens in order to make jobs available to American
citizens that desperately needed work..
Harry Truman deported over two million Illegal’s after WWII to create jobs
for returning veterans.
And then again in 1954, President Dwight Eisenhower deported 13 million
Mexican Nationals! The program was called ‘Operation Wetback’. It was
done so WWII and Korean Veterans would have a better chance at jobs.
It took 2 Years, but they deported them!
Now…if they could deport the illegal’s back then – they could sure do it today?
lf you have doubts about the veracity of this information, enter Operation
Wetback into your favorite search engine and confirm it for yourself.
Reminder: Don’t forget to pay your taxes…
20 million Illegal Aliens are depending on you!
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/…..-coop.html
There are now said to be 12 million to 20 million illegal aliens in the US. Of the Mexicans who live here, an estimated 85 percent are here illegally.
Border Patrol vets offer tips on curbing illegal immigration
One day in 1954, Border Patrol agent Walt Edwards picked up a newspaper in Big Spring, Texas, and saw some startling news. The government was launching an all-out drive to oust illegal aliens from the United States.
The orders came straight from the top, where the new president, Dwight Eisenhower, had put a former West Point classmate, Gen. Joseph Swing, in charge of immigration enforcement.
General Swing’s fast-moving campaign soon secured America’s borders – an accomplishment no other president has since equaled. Illegal migration had dropped 95 percent by the late 1950s.
Several retired Border Patrol agents who took part in the 1950s effort, including Mr. Edwards, say much of what Swing did could be repeated today.
“Some say we cannot send 12 million illegals now in the United States back where they came from. Of course we can!” Edwards says.
Donald Coppock, who headed the Patrol from 1960 to 1973, says that if Swing and Ike were still running immigration enforcement, “they’d be on top of this in a minute.”
William Chambers, another ’50s veteran, agrees. “They could do a pretty good job” sealing the border.
Edwards says: “When we start enforcing the law, these various businesses are, on their own, going to replace their [illegal] workforce with a legal workforce.”
While Congress debates building a fence on the border, these veterans say other actions should have higher priority.
1. End the current practice of taking captured Mexican aliens to the border and releasing them. Instead, deport them deep into Mexico, where return to the US would be more costly.
2. Crack down hard on employers who hire illegals. Without jobs, the aliens won’t come.
3. End “catch and release” for non-Mexican aliens. It is common for illegal migrants not from Mexico to be set free after their arrest if they promise to appear later before a judge. Few show up.
The Patrol veterans say enforcement could also be aided by a legalized guest- worker program that permits Mexicans to register in their country for temporary jobs in the US. Eisenhower’s team ran such a program. It permitted up to 400,000 Mexicans a year to enter the US for various agriculture jobs that lasted for 12 to 52 weeks.
Maybe we should just build a Walmart in Mexico.
My Border Security is with God
The Illuminati Tsunami is fast approaching and nearly at our doorsteps, but I still stand on dry ground for which my Lord has parted the sea for me to walk in……….my eyes are on the sparrow and my heart is with the Spirit of the Lord!!!!!!!!!!!!!
forever Jan in Christ!
All I care about regarding illegal immigration is that we don’t have any information about the people coming into our country! We need birth certificates, criminal records, we need to know these peoples’ medical histories, family, if we get information on them- it wouldn’t be a problem! But we have people bringing in illegal drugs, gangs, and illegal weapons! We need to be able to register the sex offenders coming in, or protect the immigrants from being threatened or treated wrongly. I assume they would never call the police if they have a problem due to fear of being deported! The U.S. isn’t a freaking theme park- it’s a NATION, a COUNTRY, and we need to protect it and it’s citizen’s first. I know some people are looking for a better life here in the U.S. and I’m all for that- but we really need to watch out that these illegal immigrants don’t get to act outside of the law or go unnoticed for their crimes due to us knowing NOTHING ABOUT THEM!
I am with Ron Paul on about 80% of the issues. Low taxes, audit the Fed, free trade, engage with foreign governments, reduce military spending, increase personal freedoms. But the immigration issue really hits home with me, and unfortunately here we are in 100% disagreement. Furthermore, this issue is critically important to me, as a native Texan.
Ron, don’t you know that the only reason we have a flood of illegal immigration into this country is that NAFTA is 1-sided? In NAFTA, we explicitly forbid Mexico from subsidizing their farmers (which as free-traders we both agree is a good thing), but we explicitly allow the US to subsidize our own farmers (which to be fair we must both agree is a bad thing). If you’re so high on individual responsibility, don’t you think we should let our farmers (who are mostly huge corporations, by the way) stand on their own feet? Do they really need socialist government handouts? Well, if we stop subsidizing them, then Mexico’s farmers can go back to work — which they did just fine for hundreds of years, ending with the passage of NAFTA in the 1990s. Fair trade policy would mean a better Mexican economy, which would mean fewer immigrants (including illegals), and better relations with our neighboring country.
Why do you instead promote poor relations with Mexico, a bad Mexican economy on our doorstep, and by proxy, unfair trade policies? That is inconsistent!
Furthermore, why do you say engage with Iran and North Korea (which I totally agree with) but not Mexico? Can’t you see that is the epitome of hypocrisy?
http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/article/282246/How-a-%22Very-Pessimistic%22-Ron-Paul-Would-Fix-the-Economy?tickers=^DJI,^GSPC,SPY,DIA,XLF,GS,AIG
Your “No welfare for illegal aliens” idea is hilarious. It is based on a proven false premise — that illegals use more resources than they provide. The truth is the opposite — all research shows that illegals pay taxes but consume almost no government resources.
I agree that we should reduce illegal immigration. Because I care about people: American citizens like myself, family and friends, who work so hard and make good decisions in order to succeed and also Mexican children who die in the middle of the desert because of a socialist-protectionist trade agreement that we made with their country.
If you actually cared about illegal immigration (which you clearly don’t), you would try to solve it, rather than put together silly half-measures that “look” like immigration reform but under the covers are just useless propaganda. “Fences,” “no amnesty” — very cute, but show me a single example in the history of the Earth that anything like that has ever worked. Hmm, Berlin? Not so well. How about modern Israel? Hmm, failure too. Oh, what about Hadrian’s Wall for the Roman Empire? No, that collapsed.
Seriously, read some history.
What is so sad is that your approach to the “War on Drugs” is just the opposite. And there you are so right. Read a page from your own book and make an immigration policy that matches the brilliance of your drug policy.
Shame on you.
Please wake up and change your tune on immigration! If you do, you will find a lot more support from responsible, hard-working Americans!
I look forward to the day when we can be in political alignment, because you “get” so many of the important things. Just not this one. Try harder.
– Will
Must be nice to get free everything , when do i get free health care ? Just like the vietnam people coming over here years ago , they got new house , car , healthcare and the dirty devils ate my neighbors german shepard . American born have to live in tent cities on the street …. Shame on you people that are running this country !!!!
The Bible is a history book about people of faith. The Old Testament is a type and foreshadow of the coming of Christ. The New Testament was written for Christ-like followers. (Many religions go strictly by the Old Testament with behavior laws, even lawyers study the Ten commandments and most of our laws of the land also punish/jail/imprison people for breaking those laws) Love your neighbor as yourself. Christ came to stop the “eye for and eye” laws of the Old Testament. You didn’t see Jesus going around and killing people nor judging them, or punishing them. He allows the person to judge themselves, ask for forgiveness, get forgiveness and await the Final Judgment Day, when the Father God will either see your name written in the Lamb’s Book of Life or it is not.
Your other question on “seed” is a complicated issue. I believe in the sanctity of marriage for pleasure and for procreation. When sex happens outside of marriage, its possible that pregnancy can and probably will occur. Then what? Hide the seed by destroying the possible offspring or be responsible.
Sex can be additive just like drugs,nicotine, drinking and gambling. I think they ought to teach “responsible sex”, to prevent abortion. And marriage should be the goal to prevent loneliness and to continue the human race. Loving each other should be the goal and getting through life’s problems with the person you love. Commitment should be the cement in a marriage.
There is a $1,000 fine to destroy an Eagle Egg in the nest.
How does that compare to a human life destroyed in the uterus?
Insurance and Medicaid pay an abortionist big bucks to destroy potential human life. I think, if as much or more value would be placed on a babies life, and the two people who want their babies life destroyed, were to be fined $10,000 for every abortion….I think it would stop most abortions. I think head stones should be made and men and woman should be made to remember the child that they destroyed. A part of them died too, and there is no way to grieve that loss in our society. There is a wall in Washington D.C. for all those lost in a war….but the babies bodies that were torn apart have no name and have no grave and have no one remembering them, except the man and woman whose seed created them in the shadows of their minds or in their darkest dreams. Millions of our people are walking around with that guilt upon their souls, what does that do to a society of people? Jesus will forgive them……that is how much Grace the New Testament gives……but I think our nation would be better off if only in rare instances, did a woman have to have an abortion. It has only been 37 years since abortion was legalized in the USA. Take a look at that generation and our country and you can see how relationships have diminished, families have deteriorated, love turned to lust and hope lost to our youth for productive lives and committed marriages. I think there ought to be a National Holiday in remembrance of those who lost their lives in at the hands of an abortionist. And those men and woman who sacrificed their own souls and live with the guilt the shame and thought in having killed their own off spring. They need much love and need to ask for forgiveness from a God who is reaching out to them with open arms. When a government condones wrongdoing it does not omit what God thinks of it…because if God created us……it saddens him to loose even one of his own.
The Bible yes is a book that teaches ways to preserve the human life on this earth. To treat one another respect,with love, for a life that will bring harmony and peace upon this earth for generation after generation. We should be celebrating life. Celebration does not need to mean partying and getting drunk and getting laid…..!!!! Be thankful for life, and for love in your heart toward another human being that will not encourage more selfishness but more love and laughter and joy of being a father, a mother, a child, a baby.
Our minds, our lives should be preserved not destroyed. We should protect what we see, hear and do in our lives so that we bring only those things that are good for life into our life.
Why did you focus that whole comment on abortion?
In all honesty, I dont really care at all about abortion.As long as it’s first trimester do what ever you want I dont care.
I have no idea how we got from talking about muslims to talking about killin babies.
Tyler….MUSLIMS kill themselves to get to heaven faster….
Believer’s in Christ,don’t believe in suicide! “Thou shalt not Kill”, once your dead you can’t ask for forgiveness and we don’t believe in pergatory either.
Was Nietzsche into brainwashing? Sounds like it…I’m a thinker so that doesn’t work for me ….
Neitasche….was he into brainwashing? Sounds like a motive ….to steer people away from being a free thinker..or a thinker at all….
Grace is much different than legalism…
We don’t believe in an eye for an eye or a tooth for a tooth either.
Sad, that that Abortionist doctor was killed for killing!
Whoever did that was not very Christan, cuz there again “eye for a eye” thing was happening…Two wrongs don’t make a right…..
Friedrich Nietzsche also said:”The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.”
Yeah he sure does think that one shouldnt be a free thinker at all…(sarcasm)
Dont be so quick to call abortion murder(i’m caught in between the issue so dont call me pro-life or pro-choice) becuase as a society we must decide what constitutes life. Is a fetus capable of thought? I have no idea, but if it is capable of thought abortion is deffinatly murder. But what else could we deem “human life” (SEXUAL CONTENT AHEAD READ WITH CAUTION!!!!) Everytime I use a condom or masturbate i’m wasting sperm that has a chance at becoming life. Is that murder? Everytime a woman has a period she wastes precious eggs that also has a chance at becoming life,is that murder?
But correct me if i’m wrong didnt the old testament say Eye For an Eye=Justice????
last but certainly not least…………
NOT ALL MUSLIMS KILL THEMSELVES FOR 72 VIRGINS, JUST THE BRAINWASHED BONKERS ONES!!!!!!! THEIR ARE PERFECTLY NORMAL MUSLIMS THAT GO TO CHURCH EVERY WEEK WITHOUT EATING BABIES OR BLOWING UP NEW YORKERS!!! HATE AL-QUEDA NOT MUSLIMS.
Doesnt the bible teach us to be non judgmental and loving of all people, muslim or jewish? Doesnt the bible teach us that we should be getting along with each other????
Be christ like not just christian. Practice what you preach and stop pretending all muslims are amoral demons. Because its simply not true.
Family axes wedding plans, Egyptian cuts off penis
By SARAH EL DEEB Associated Press Writer The Associated Press
Sunday, May 31, 2009 5:48 PM EDTCAIRO (AP)
— A 25-year-old Egyptian man cut off his own penis to spite his family after he was refused permission to marry a girl from a lower class family, police reported Sunday.
After unsuccessfully petitioning his father for two years to marry the girl, the man heated up a knife and sliced off his reproductive organ, said a police official.
The young man came from a prominent family in the southern Egyptian province of Qena, one of Egypt’s poorest and most conservative areas that is also home to the famed ancient Egyptian ruins of Luxor.
The man was rushed to the hospital but doctors were unable to reattach the severed member, the official added citing the police report filed after the incident.
The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak with the press, added that the man was still recovering in the hospital.
Traditionally, marriages in these conservative part of southern Egypt are between similar social classes and often within the same extended families — and are rarely for love.
See what legalistic religions like Moslem or Islam does ……
assuming that he was. And those religions that are not based on God’s loving spirit, but on legalism….
Yah don’t see or hear of Protestant Christian’s going to that extreme..do yah Tyler……? by the way..have you ever heard of a war against Protestant’s ??????
So, far I don’t know of any! The Catholics, Jews, and Moslems have been fighting for thousands of years….but not us Protestants!
We are peaceful people! LOL
The wrong religion will get yah everytime! LOL
Actually marriage originated as more of a legistic agreement between two families. Such as in ancient rome, india, and parts of egypt.
Oh yeah and its spelled Muslim, not Moslem, thanks for proving how much you actually know about other cultures….
And saying that protestants never do anything extreme. that was a joke right? I hope to vicious raptor jesus that was a joke.
Ever heard of the crusades, abortion clinic bombings, when protestant britain imperialised catholic ireland, or how about the holocaust(caused by german protestants), or the american indian genocide commited by the great ol’ U.S.A.(also mainly protestant) Damn you guys are remarkably peacful….
The reason these terrible things happen is because religion was formed by man, man has the potential to commit terrible atrocities, and those chances to do terrible things severly increase when man can justify his evils with an invisible ghost.
“The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently. ” Friedrich Nietzsche
Good, one less dick in the world.
Have you ever traveled across the USA? Or to another country? If so, you would see that there is plenty of room available for families to live. There are not too many people taking up too much oxygen or using too many resources to go around. At least I do not see it that way, when I have traveled. Why are farms in the USA not farmed? I would think the farmers would be farming big time this summer, but …. Why do the wealthy get paid to buy up large pieces of land and not farm it? Why have the wealthy destroyed the farmers in the USA? Again the wealthy got greedy and took the middleclass jobs away…… or why is Monsanto allowed to make (GMO seeds)/alter seeds and piglets which will kill the population evenutally, our bodies can not assimilate food made from GMO seeds!
Why do Islams hate Christians?
Why do they want to die to be with Virgins?
Why do they hate Jews?
And if God is a Spirit, and he is, and that Spirit is Love, then what Spirit is their hate coming from?
It’s natural to propagate, its unnatural to kill their offspring.
It’s natural to love your children and to protect them from harm, its unnatural to prepare them for a suicide death or an abortion.
Like they are some sort of sacrifice, like cattle going to the slaughter.
That is why I as a woman do not understand wars at all. It makes no sense, and I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy.
It goes against the joy of life and living. It is all about power and that alone will corrupt the minds of men, to do evil.
Have you worked in the workforce in the past 20 years?
Have you seen the power struggles amongst the working class with the new age human resource departments and the CEO’s over the workers? It’s not about competence anymore its about how much you can make for the company. Adultery and lack of ethics and lack of conscious rules now…….
What religion has a conscious would you say and which do not?
Is a conscious developed by getting to know God ? Or by being taught right from wrong by our parents? Our society?
Can a conscious get corrupted or lied to or deceived?
What does the Abnormal Psychology books say about those aberrations nowadays…..cuz 45 years ago I read that book and it seems like those pages must have been ripped out of the textbooks I read when I took that class in college!
Again your talking about the Islam that has been raped by heretics. In truth the actual book of Quaran teaches peace, love, and the actual book doesnt say anything about recieving 72 virgins when you commit martyrdom(something that christians created by the way).
The muslim movement is a lot like the christians in the crusade days. Just a bunch of people who took the word of “god” and perverted it to their best interest. And they hate Jews because they believe that isreal is rightfully theirs because they were their first.(kind of childish.)Why not talk to some muslims about their religion? why not read the quaran? why not read up on anything thats not propaganda bullshit?
Yeah we have open space but we dont have enough resources to support every single person on this earth.
I suggest watching the documentary the 11th hour
Tyler,
God wrote the Truth in the Bible by men anointed by the Holy Spirit. Truth is so simple, how religions came about.
God made us to want to worship Him. Jews were the only people who had the Ark of the Covenant and worshiped an “unseen”(Spirit) True God. Wars were fought with Jews and by other peoples, who didn’t believe as the Jews did and who worshiped Idols. Jesus was God in the Flesh, to bring all races of people to God for redemption.
God is a jealous God and will not stand for deception about who He is, and How we are put on this earth to find Him and to Seek Him and to be called His own.
Jews are just as stubborn as Moslems or Hindu’s or Buddah’s….they do not accept Jesus as the Son of God. So, wars continue over it…Fortunately, we in the USA allow the freedom of religion in our country. You can believe the way you want to. And so can I!
I have said for along time…being born in America, Caucasian, I cannot fathom, living in a country of just one race and one religion. But, I thank God for it, because, I would not have probably ever come to be a believer in Christ, had I been born a Moslem or a Jew or a Chinese, or a African. Not to say, many have come to know Christ in all the world, but they suffer more than we do if they do go outside their ingrained culture and find the True God.
All false religions hate Christians, not visa versa.
Man has created their own God’s and there are about 5000 different religions in the world.
Money is a God also,or should I say an idol, and its spreading it’s wings worldwide now! “The love of money is the root of all evil”.
Right now the Federal Reserve is seeing how great their “money God” is or can become! They are bringing the entire world, if they can, to bow down to the money God, which in the book of Revelations is called the “Beast” ( a third part of Satan’s Trinity)……
Christians are not in the Dark on what is going on and we are allowing it because its not something to get upset about, we knew it would happen before God takes charge and pours out HIS Wrath upon the earth to save the Christians.
This earth was created by God. It will be man that destroys it. Our life here is only temporary, I”m looking forward to living an eternity with God on this New Earth and New Heaven.
So,I am just watching and waiting to see what man does next!
While I worship The True Savior and continue to believe in the privacy of my home and heart and mind in Jesus Christ.
what makes you think jesus was the only son of a virgin mother??
http://englishatheist.org/indexd.shtml
I’m pretty sure buddah’s mother mithra was also a virgin, making buddah the flesh of god. If i’m not mistaken, Hindu’s god Krishna was also born of a virgin mother, Devaki.
You pretty much just said that chrisianity is more believable than any other religion so it is the truth and we should ridicule all other religions. Your trying to tell somebody that the easter bunny isn’t real but santa is.
We’re seen across the world with a bible in one hand and a gun in the other. Our country has the second to highest murder rate as a christian nation.
oh bc god forgives our sins. I think we should scratch that part out of the bible. That just gives us reason to sin and justify ourselves.
Why dont christians like you just kill themselves to get to the afterlife sooner? It would make this world a lot more heavenly.
What’s different than a picture of jesus and jesus the person? the picture only takes one nail to hang up.
lolololololololol
Wow, the ant-theists are grumpy as hell.
I guess if I believed life came from nothing, I’d be grumpy too.
Tyler:
Sorry to anger you! I disagree with you because your wrong saying that Islam and Christianity are the same, they are very different. If you will go into the website I listed above and watch the video on “Muslim Demographics”, you will see that they are proliferating rapidly. They have 8 children per family, we have 1-2. Their plans if you listen to their leaders is be able to have the largest population worldwide within 39 years. Then they will be able to take over the world. Since the war in Iraq they have dispersed worldwide. Have you been to Europe lately? or talked to anyone who is from their? Their agenda is to have eight children, who all get married and have eight more and they have eight more…..similiar to what the catholics did to rule the world also. While our country and other countries abort 1. 5 million infants per year….which of course they do not believe in. But, that way we are destroying our own population and now we will never catch up with them, its too late to do so……and they know it…..so as our economy declines, which they do not believe in capitalism or woman being educated or working either, so as they use their woman for breeding purposes only…they will be the dominant population in 30 years or so. That way they do not have to fire a shot…It’s not especially about their religion..its about how they are going about becoming the most powerful. While we are trying to fight the Taliban in the middleast that they do not like anyway……so we are preoccupied while they are busying breeding!
And, once they infiltrate the world, the workforce, the educational system, they will when the time is ripe, be the most powerful. They also, recruit in our prisons into Islam. That will affect our society as well.
I just think its something to be aware of and take notice that our borders are not closed to them, as they aren’t to the illegals either….so that is what our congress thinks of us…..I have witnessed a decline in our country of American doctors and nurses inour health care system ….there again…..our own hospital corporations have ruined the job market for American doctors and nurses…..they’d rather hire foreigners I guess and pay for their families and parents to use up our social security and Medicare and Medicaid…..then blame us , the Americans, that they have to hire foreigners, to do the work.
The same in teaching…..hoards of teachers are brought into our country to teach our children.
When it comes to immigration I honestly dont care where your from,I just care how good you do your job.(As in getting my order right) And you talk about Islam like its some form of great evil. All of those things you just listed about Islam are very very ignorant, I suggest watching an episode of the show 30days(the one with Morgan spurlock) about this very issue. Islam has been perverted by heretics just like many sects of christianity. And you also talked about some kind of breeding…Race, I dont think you realize how dangerous this kind of thinking is. Most of my right wingy compainions dismiss any sort of environmentalism as left wing propaganda. But the truth is that America uses 50percent of the worlds resources. And if everyperson lived like an American citizen did it would take more than four earths worth of resources to support our skyrocketting population. Quite frankly we dont have enough room much room for more people(DAMN MORMANS!!!!)
So in short…. We need to make our borders safer but not hate on our illegal companions… Realize that Islam is scarily similar to christianity… And dont start a breeding race just because muslims and chinese have huge numbers. Thank you for not getting all hot headed against my previous offensive comments.
islam, christianity, buddhism, sikhism, judaism, hinduism, candomble, bahai, jainism, mormons, paganism, rastafari, shinto, scientology, taoism,unitarianism. It’s all the same; each religion uses meditation practices to heal the soul. Meditating is actually really good for you. Your body is made out of energy which is controlled by your brain and perception. All MRI’s take pictures of your energy using magnets…
You reproduce trilions of cells each day. Negative thoughts can destroy and deteriorate your body making you more susceptible to diseases. The body reproduces trillions of cells a day. When you stress, blood flows into the bones of your arms and legs, which is blood that is used to reproduce your cells..
Praying has such a positive effect on your body and mind that some people have even cured cancer by meditating and using yoga practices. You can even pray for a loved one and it would produce positive energy and can heal that person a lot faster. Watch this video, you will find it amazing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkbpXRSIUnE&feature=PlayList&p=12F1C16D424512E0&index=0
Sean,
thanks for the website, I checked it out and sent it out to friends…..it took me to many other sites for more learning and listening to relaxing music…thanks Jan
P.S. God is still God and the only begotten, Son of God is Jesus,who is God in the Flesh! (you’ll never get me to believe any differently)
not Mohammad, not Joseph Smith, not a Rabbi, not a sacred cow,not Buddha,not a male/female circle…….etc.
no problem..
There is more life and movement in your body from one second to the next, than in all of the stars planets in the universe.
Here is a top cloning scientist explaining more about quantum physics and the body.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6568107389365915765&ei=TqUiSvrGIoG2rgLw7KmmCQ&q=bruce+lipton&hl=en
Why a study and perspective of Islam is necessary ….
Muslims are increasing more than any other religious group in the world. Their growth rate is four times faster than Christians. Presently, those who practice Islam make up approximately one-fifth of the world’s population. One Bible teacher from England, after reviewing current demographics, commented that, “if present trends continue, half of all global births will be in Muslim families by the year 2055″. Something revolutionary is happening before our eyes, and most Western Christians are oblivious to it. Not only are Muslims the fastest growing religious group in the world, but also in the United States, Canada and Europe, with Europe perhaps being the model of where Canada and then the United States are heading shortly after.
Any simple examination of the present birth rates of the native Europeans versus Europe’s Muslim immigrant population leads us to one very clear and ominous conclusion: the Europe we have known is very quickly changing into what some refer to as Eurabia, where Europe will soon find itself under the power and control of Islam. The following short clip will show you just where our world is heading from a purely demographic point of view:
http://www.prophecynewswatch.com/featureditem.html
Who the fuck cares. In actual philosiphy Islam and Christianity arent that different. Just a bunch of fanatics that get their rocks off yelling at a group thats nearly identical to themselves. Why do the stupid insist on attacking their reflection?
I am disgusted that our government is considering amnesty for the Illegal Immigrants who are in this country. Rewarding them for breaking our laws and draining our economy and most of all our health care. Yes, our health care. When an Illegal Immigrant (pregnant) has a child in our country, they have this child for free. When an American Citizen who is pregnant, who has no benefits because they lost their job, has a child they get a 25 thousand dollar bill! That American who paid taxes since the age of probably 15 years old should be the one who gets the break, NOT THE ILLEGAL. This country is so backwards and run by idiots! The more we stay silent, the worse it gets. If our ancestors would have stayed silent, slaves would still exist, and AMERICA would not exist today if our forefathers didn’t have the balls to fight for freedom! Think about it people. It’s just going to get worse. KICK THE ILLEGALS OUT! Good Bye, Adios! When an American Citizen does something Illegal, like ” Not Pay Taxes” the IRS/Govt. Goes after them and freezes their assets. hmmm. I don’t know about you, But I am really sick of the leaders of this country STEPPING ALL OVER THE HARD WORKING AMERICAN CITIZEN. With out us, there would be no country to begin with. remember that people! The time is now to stand up and fight for your freedoms!
Lets deport all non english speaking foreigners out of this country and let foreign countries deport all americans back to the US.
Well come on…tell us something about what you read. Please we would love to hear it. Tell us your side DoctorZ
Right on, Tyler. Capitalism, or good, will always prevail! Go immigrants!
Hey you racist people who call Mexicans illegal aliens, read something from Ayn Rand, author of Atlas Shrugged.
gotta dissagree a little.
If you are born here it is your home.
Most mexican Americans(really just Americans) I know have more american spirit than any other group in america.
If you are for capitalism you are surely for competition. Immigrants are competing for jobs just like any other Americans.
Stop the DREAM Act: amnesty for illegals & money for their tuition.
http://www.wam08.org/DREAMpetition.html
Mass organized petition against the DREAM Act (lovely name, bad policy). WAM’s last petition changed 45 House votes & we’re going for more this time!
It will increase flow of illegal immigrants. On top of that, how many of you had this type of taxpayer funding for your college tuition?
Download FAIR’s analysis: http://foundingfatherscry.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=417&t=1410&start=0&hilit=DREAM
Yes I agree. Something has to change. I myself am part hispanic but i’m a 4generation. I love my state and country very much and like for my kids some day to love it just as I do. Some say they come here for a better life. Then why is it that when they get here they try to make it like home? I call this Rape of our Great State!!!!!!!They take what they want and force their Spanish on us with bill boards,radio and t.v.. When does it stop? Can anyone answer that? When?
I have two cousins that are half. Their father was from Mexico City, came here for a better life for his children. They only learned Spanish as a second language. No Mexican flags waving at their house.
It was exactly what you’ve said. His children are American, not Mexican American.
I can’t believe what is happening before my eyes. What happened to our country?
INSTEAD OF THE TERM “ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT” I PREFER THE WORD “INVADER”.
BUILDING A WALL ALONG OUR MEXICAN BOARDER SEEMS A RATHER WEAK AND PROBLEMATIC WAY TO STOP THE INVADERS. A BETTER METHOD IS TO DO THE FOLLOWING:
- CREATE A 1/4MI WIDE U.S.A MILITARY BASE ALONG THE ENTIRE U.S./ MEXICAN BOARDER (AS MUCH AS FEASIBLE) AND PAY FOR IT BY SELLING THE EXISITNG UNUSED FEDERAL BASES, COLD WAR MISSLE SILOS, ETC. IN THE HINTER LAND. INVADING THE U.S.A IS ONE THING BUT INVADING A U.S. MILITARY BASE IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT STORY!
- MORAL: IF A PEOPLE WORK TO BUILD A SOCIETY OF SUCH QUALITY THAT THE REST OF THE WORLD WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE SAME, ALLOWED THE CHOICE, ENOUGH WILL INVADE FROM THE REST OF THE WORLD TO RUIN IT!
For a man of the Constitution, how can you seriously before getting rid of birthright citizenship? Section 1 Amendment 14, even by the strictist constructionist textualist “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States”
Hi,
My name is Taylor, and I’m just trying to get my facts straight. I was recently looking at Ron Paul’s track record for voting on border patrol, and it seems like from 2001 to 2005 he was very very against it. Voting no on 4 different amendments that would improve our border patrol in different ways. I’m by no means bashing him, so don’t get me wrong. I just was wondering if anyone has any thoughts on the subject.
Thanks for your time,
Taylor
I would look closer at those bills. They probably had a lot of unjust spending. Could you list them.
It’s a true pity the Iroquois Confederacy (not to mention the rest of the inhabitants of this continent) didn’t share your attitude on “ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION” in 1492!
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Hey they were Koreans to start with in the first place. So I guess that they could go back there to live in their ancestral homes.
Also check up on some law, lets say Roman Law. Here is a hint; start with Vēnī, vīdī, vīcī and work your way up into the various Roman Laws to find out why we are, where we are, how we are.
PS There are no such thing as Original Native Americans.
The book, not the movie, Starship Troopers makes it very clear. Citizenship must be earned! Military service, no one will be turned away. Hence regardless of physical conditions you will earn your citizenship and you will appreciate it. If you don’t want to be a Citizen no problem – no vote, and you are not allowed to have certain jobs. The fascist state portrayed in the movie did not in the book.
I do like one proposal that I saw – military service in a war zone for illegals will earn them citizenship!
I read that book shortly after it came out, and I read it on every Submarine patrol that I made.
I think that it is a sound idea. You want to vote, you want to have any government job, be it elected or civil? Then get off your butt, serve and earn that franchise. Hell you should do it anyway. And read the book to see what Heinlein was saying or trying to say
I think the proposal to send all illegal immigrants back home is ludicrous.
I do not believe people should break the law. I believe in strong border security. But to think that we can just kick all these people out is lunacy.
Right now the private jails that house the few immigrants that are caught are the only ones benefiting from this ridiculous policy. They raid these poor people and instead of immediate deportation they keep them for years on end without a trial – that is crazy!
I don’t have the answer – but this is certainly not it.
But to think that we can just kick all these people out is lunacy.
WHY?
Justify that please. Don’t give us that lame ” I don’t have the answer,” stuff. You should have never opened your fat keyboard.
What would really send them back would be a true crack-down on the corrupt employers in the States. Serious, if you are caught – no appeals, Jail Time. Heck even sent them to Mexican Jails.
Man, at times, I sure do admire the way that China deals with corruption when it is caught and made public. Look at what happened to the head of their FDA with the bad dog food and other things.
How are we going to round all these people up? You tell me smart guy?
First of all, Americans do not want their jobs no matter how much they say they do. Americans want cushy jobs with Ford or Chrysler that give them health benefits and vacations – and that’s fine.
These people are Nannies and factory workers and farmers. How many folks in your family are in those line of business? If your answer is a lot then you people should have stuck to school or maybe we should deport you for wasting a great opportunity to get educated.
Is there a problem – yes. Can we kick all these people out? come back to me in 10 or 20 years when we are still discussing this ridiculous idea and my response will be I TOLD YOU SO! We don’t even have the money for border security how in the world are we going to police the entire country looking for these people?
As for a solution I say that any person without a criminal record be given a fine and so long as they can prove that they earn a living honestly should be allowed to pay their taxes and stay. Folks with criminal records should be deported immediately without even a trial. But most importantly we need to secure the borders so that the entry way is shut, otherwise we are going to have this problem for ever.
Be real, be real!
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“come back to me in 10 or 20 years when we are still discussing this ridiculous idea”
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Therein is the problem. Evidently all you and many like you want to do is talk.
We fought and won World War II, I think that we can figure out how to do it.
I wonder how much money we would have for border security if we stopped giving it to the illegals and their illegal/legal kin here in the States and South. All ya have to do is open your eyes and look around, or open your ears and listen. You can find them easily enough. Here in Texas it is so very easy. Then on top of it all the El Salvadorians are invading and having a nice border drug war while at the same time moving in on Houston. Sure, that is the hard case.
The fact that they are here illegally means that they have a criminal record. Many have crossed over and been sent back to have a nice long criminal record.
Still don’t get it eh, they are not gonna pay taxes, the employers are not going to report them.
BTW, have you looked at what it takes to get INTO Mexico? I ain’t talking about a quick border city run.
Again, how hard is it to pick them up, you know what work they do, durn I wonder where to look?
And again money, well as far as I am concerned we are under an invasion, get all troops home from over seas. If things get too unstable for us to live with, well we do have nukes. Kill off the Obama welfare socialism spending plans; take back all the bailout bucks- war is a good cure for an ailing economy. It worked before. For that matter, we can augment the border patrol with welfare recipients; give them a benefits/quota system.
Just curious about where you got this idea
” If your answer is a lot then you people should have stuck to school or maybe we should deport you for wasting a great opportunity to get educated.”
What private school did you go to? How many people are banging at the door to get the few real slots at a good education?
Cushy jobs eh? I got a good education thanks to the United States Navy (not the USNA), and I only had to join for 6 years and ride three subs to pay for it.
And, broken string – let the welfare people take those jobs. AND get the convicts in Texas prisions back to work. And this crap about not paying the Cons is bull, they get a nice place to live and food to eat.
“These people are Nannies and factory workers and farmers.”
Still working on your idea about cushy jobs at Ford what in the heck are you talking about?
Are they not factory workers? Do you have any idea of how many (say legal just to throw that in) “Ford or Chrysler” factory workers there are in this country?
Why don’t you babble about the cushy Petro-chemical industry here in Texas next.
Do you think that those benefits just fell off the great blue benefits bush and right into their laps? Golly gee, do you even know where the 40 hour work week, real premium overtime came from?
Or even better yet (Mr. Not So Smart Guy), do you even have a real, doing something for America, job? Have you put in your time with the service?
Why would I ever fight in these phony wars? I mean even Dr. Paul says these wars were a mistake.
Don’t be so angry because you had to do 6 years in sub to get educated.
Call me when there is a war fighting for, protect the homeland, not these petro wars you are so gong hoe about fighting.
And please stop lecturing people with your meaningless history anecdotes – I’m pretty sure most of us are educated enough to know some of this history.
at this point this back and forth is laughable but you sound like you need the entertainment so let’s keep it up.
Oh, and trust me when I tell you that I’m doing OK in a good old cushy American Job. Not in the red-neck woods but in a real city.
Like I said, you people have been talking kick them out for ever – IT WON’T HAPPEN! Those companies exploiting those immigrants will not let it. It’s all red meat talk to keep people like you pacified by making belief you are fighting form something.
The sad part is that some of what you propose makes sense, it just wont happen.
Humm, subpar education. I operated nuclear reactors at power plants after I left the Navy and did very well after I left the control room. Further, I did not tell you to go to war, I just said serve your country rather than be a free rider. I don’t know what you consider a real city or a a good cushy job or a good education is for that matter. It sounds like you went to Humpty Dumpty State and got a BS degree in mug-wumping, or more likely a liberal arts degree in waffle. I doubt that you would ever make in the Navy’s Nuclear Power Program, heck I doubt that you could even score high enough on the tests to get in. Cushy job and all.
Look at the rancher in Arizona. He’s being sued by a group of drug toting,trespassing,litter bugs who destroyed his property and stole from him. Yet he’s the one who owns the land,pays the taxes,and they get to sue him. Wake up people.
Durn, that is what comes from not shooting to kill first. At the risk, back in the day, we had a real standing militia. Perhaps we need them again.
When it’s to late to doing anything about the problem. We’ll all wake up and say HOW DID THIS HAPPEN! Something needs to be done now! Rules written and enforced to protect our boarders,landowners IE (the rancher in Arizona),and the people who live legally in the USA. Give him an inch and he’ll be your ruler. We spend billions of dollars on military training, Why not have training drills where there’s a problem patrolling the borders to deter any illegal entry or drug trafficking. So what can you do for your freedom? Go MR.Paul!
Hereabove is displayed the true character of the participants of this WWWeb site.
Sorry, people, but you really should start by Googling “HYPOCRISY”
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It’s a true pity the Iroquois Confederacy (not to mention the rest of the inhabitants of this continent) didn’t share your attitude on “ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION” in 1492!
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“Manifest Destiny” is here.
You asked for it, you got it.
Now what?
I know, I know. “Kill the new people”, right? Or at least force them to live in some other Native Inhabitants’ ancestral homes. Suuure. That makes YOU “noble”, right?
Now YOU go back to YOUR ancestral home, or continue living here in OURS as a HYPOCRITE. Or you could stop bitching about the new people doing what YOU DID and learn to get along with new neighbors, like WE DID.
Now, everyone who still doesn’t get it, please add copious, puerile, vituperative comments:
do you think the actions our government makes reflect the actions the people make?? we are regular people just like ya’ll wanting the same thing, Peace and prosperity. You can’t pretend that your culture is moraly better and not even know what our culture is about. Vise versa. Haven’t you heard that stereotypeing people is never correct. You don’t know one persons actions and thoughts to the next. Most of us aren’t movie actors or war patriots, so don’t place a whole country in that category.
You should go complain to China for building the Great Wall. Either that or research about the war going on at our border.
Actually I think that a good solid wall of M-60s would be a much better solution.
The Great Illegal Round Up
1. Of course the first step in rounding all the illegals up is to enact and strictly enforce laws against those who employ them.
NO BAIL AND MANDATORY JAIL TIME, punishment escalates proportionally to the number of illegals working for the employer criminal.
Of course, a sub-set would be that the employers will have to pay real wages for “those jobs that people don’t want.” Which in turn means we all will have to pay more for the services, legal services, for legal immigrants and other Americans.
2. Couple this with elimination of any/all freebee rides on our tax dollars. Immediate resolution, arrest and deport any claimants. If it is for emergency medical care, take care of that then off they go.
3. NO messing around, no politico whining/posing, no pork/earmarks. Get the legislation through and passed.
4. Then work on and pass an amendment to eliminate birthright citizenship. That is going to take the longest time to get done.
This will go far to drying up the jobs and the illegals will round themselves up and head on home.
Several states have enacted some version of 1 and it works; alas however; only in that state. The illegals just head over into a more friendly state where the residents start to wondering. “Where did all these guys come from?”
The operative term here is illegal. It is possible to enter this country legally. When one of my siblings was born on foreign soil, there was a choice of citizenship. The offer of birthright citizenship is for people that are here under honorable conditions.
The willingness to break the law speaks for the character of the immigrant that enters illegally. Everyone says “think of the children” and “they’re just looking for a better life”. If I took my kids to another country illegally, the discussion would be about Child Protective Services stepping in. If I went looking for a better life, I would do it properly.
Legal – open arms
Illegal – no benefits whatsoever and don’t come back
People whose various papers expire eh? And let them take flight lessons too I suppose eh? Then loose track of them, hummmm?
Why don’t you go take a look a the requirements that a few of those wonderful European countries have in place for foreign workers, much less immigration.
The once it was really manned and monitored, the Berlin Wall and Check Point Charlie worked pretty durn well. Until the entire system went bust. Of course they used guns; now there’s a thought.
I have both failed and passed amendments and bills such as this one on my law forum bulletin wall at school under politically incorrect facts.
Let’s hope people learn how to do their research… and that I don’t get shot for it.
I would be interested to hear the reasons from the nay voters for voting against the bill.
Intelligence-a severely lacking quality in government.
There is a lot of talk in Washington about intelligence, but little is ever seen. ©2009
Why would someone who is “illegal” by their mere presence pay any attention to those unnecessary laws? Everybody engaging in most of those activities has already broken law; adding another crime does nothing (no deterrent effect) but puff the chest of the idiots who presented it. The law will change no behavior whatsoever. Even if it is enacted five times: no effect.
Therein lies the problem with our government–the two majorly inept parties have only two solutions: throw money at problems in hopes it goes away until someone else is elected and pass an necessary law so they can brag they did something. They have no other answers; they have no solutions; they have no commonsense. They are the essence of all problems…
You’re right there… they won’t pay attention to the law, but we need to know who in Congress is there for the people they represent, which is why people like Cornyn introduce legislation like this. It’s good to look at who takes stance where. Use it as a litmus test… too many people don’t pay attention whatsoever.
It’s also good to have it on the books to support our law enforcement officials. Lawyers rule the world; unfortunately you have to take it back this way or war. I’m afraid the latter may happen.
The problem with giving birthright citizenship is that if the children are American citizens and the parents are Mexican, when you send the parents back to Mexico who will raise the children. If they take the children with them, we will have American citizens being raised abroad, so basically, when those children reach adulthood, they will enter the U.S. as a legal immigrants. This scenario would put us back into the same situation that we have now with no legal means to deal with the problem.
I don’t believe amnesty is the answer, but I don’t think that rounding up ten to twenty million people and deporting them is a realistic option either. I think the only practical solution would be to offer those Mexicans that are here a chance to apply for citizenship, but make it demanding. Make them learn english, pass a constitution test, and prove that they are willing to assimilate into American society. Also, they should have to prove that they have no criminal record, and the government will reserve the right to revoke citizenship at any time. This way we could weed out those people that would be a drain on our society.
In that case, you may find the following senate bill interesting:
Senate Amendment 1184
Record Vote Number 187
Sponsor: Sen. Cornyn, John (R-TX)
Amendment Rejected
Vote: (46 – 51)
Date: 06/06/2007
Official Title of Legislation:
S Amdt 1184 to S Amdt 1150 to S 1348: To establish a permanent bar for gang members, terrorists, and other criminals.
Vote to pass an amendment that would prohibit undocumented immigrants convicted of aggravated felonies, domestic violence, stalking, violation of protection orders, crimes against children, or crimes relating to the illegal purchase or sale of firearms, from gaining legal status. Bars legal status to immigrants who have engaged in certain forms of identification fraud.
Hutchinson (R-TX) – Yea
Cornyn (R-TX) – Yea
McCain (R) – Nay
Obama (D) – Nay
Biden (D) – Nay
Clinton (D) – Nay
Reid (D) – Nay
McConnell (R) – Yea
http://www.votesmart.org
NAY.
American Citizens by unfortunate accident of birth. Send them anyway, don’t want to separate that family do we?
Although i agree with Dr. Paul about most subjects on immigration i HIGHLY do not agree with taking away the birthright citizenship. The parents of the child obviously cared enough about their child to take them into the country and have them born where they can have a better life. In mexico there are plenty of drug wars and the country is just not a good place to raise a child these days. At least in America they can find a good job and raise a family and pay taxes just like any other citizen.
Oh yes, just another free ride. If the child can make good, then mama and papa can be taken care of for life. I live south of Houston, all that I need hear is the news from there to know that many of the children are not making and often don’t care to make it.
In particular, two or three generations of welfare make it a legal way of life in many of their minds – yes shocking as it sounds, I have heard generational arguments of “that’s the way it is supposed to be.” It’s almost along the lines of some of the East Texas White poor who firmly believe in the “it was good enough for my dad, and good enough for me and for my kids too” – talking about really poor paying jobs in this case. Both arguments held in the same E. Texas Class Room.
As I said most money goes back home anyway, and often they will scoot back to Mexico for a periods of time when they have some bucks stashed away.
Well, just press 5 for English.
I agree with Ron Paul on all subjects except immigration.
We were all immigrants at one time or the other. If they are to recieve our benefits they should pay for them like everyone else.
We need them for the jobs Americans are to lazy to do. We all like to eat fresh fruits & Vegtables, meat & dairy products. We like to look at manicures lawns. Most children now a days do not know the meaning of work. We as parents are the blame for that!
If there are 10,000,000 ileagal alliens & they pay 10,000.00 dollars into taxes & insurance thats per year 100,000,000,000.00 in additional revenue yearly.
Insurance premiums would drop since paying policy holders would not have to flip the bill for free health care given by to them by the hospitals.
Yes we must secure the border to regulate future immigration but we must have a starting point,if we are to solve the problem.
Mexicans are not crossing the border to blow us up, they come to better their life. We should also try to stimulate our neighbors economy before worring about nations far away
They should learn the English language if they stay! After paying into the corrupt tax system for a couple of years they would most likely want to go back to their country.
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Ever hear of Ellis Island?
Ever hear of legal quotas?
The crooked employers do not want them paying taxes or on any kind of book or record. Why? Figure it out. Then when you wake up you will understand that they can/will not pay benefits (which as a minimum double an employees cost to an employer hence why layoffs are the first thing done to cut costs). That better life is not a reality for the vast majority; heck most of the money they earn goes south i.e. home with never a tax paid.
Bottom Line – Employer Greed is what keep em coming, not some pipe dream of a better life.
And then there are all the killings that are done by the Coyotes who claim that they are gonna take those poor folks to El Norte, for a nice fee, only to get them some place and either kill them outright (they are the lucky ones) or lock them up in a trailer and abandon them to die of heat and thirst.
Oh, we mow and upkeep our yard and home.
Say there is an idea, lets get those folks who are sitting around drawing welfare and other government (our taxes) freebee money and put then to work doing what the illegals are doing.
If they don’t like it to hell with them, DRAFT them.
I still don’t understand ending bithright citizenship? Is that for all people? No one should be a citizen. Maybe we should have them have to pass a loyalty oath first. Or maybe check and make sure there aren’t any foriegners in their family. Or any medical problems. Maybe we can then get rid of all these Brown people who keep coming over. This is ridiculous a fluid country where people enter and leave creates jobs and has jobs. Ron Paul is fine with exporting jobs because jobs don’t belong to “employees” well this country belongs to it’s citizens and what legal way did the Pilgrims come to this country? Or a whole host of people. Nativisim and Isolationism in our history have proven to be terrible tacks time and again. A free market but not a freedom to find a better life. This is the worst kind of fear mongering.
The reason for ending birthright citizenship is not to make it so all newborns are not citizens. It is to stop people who are ILLEGAL from coming in and getting healthcare and welfare from our taxpayers for free. It is rediculous to think that we should be responsible for the healthcare of the world when we can’t afford it on our own. I am all for helping people out but I can’t give them what I don’t have. The same goes for a country.
Ever heard of equal justice under law? Kill the birthright for one and you kill it for all.
If we start deporting all new-born’s who is going to pay your SSI? [sarcasm]
I wish that we could be a country all to ourselves. This country was a lot better place to live before we got so involved in the world. Charity begins at home…and this is my home…has been from birth. I’ve payed taxes all my life. Why should someone who has not supported this country financially waltz in and take what they want?!
After trying to align my views with one of the 2 main candidates for the past year, I have finally realized that I don’t have to settle. There is someone out there that shares ALL of my views. I will be voting for Ron Paul in Nov. I pray that most American will do the same so that we can save our country.
to SABERDOGA66…… I said the US can go ahead and put up the wall and everything but they are still going to come in. The problem doesnt lie in that there is no border security but in that we have drained their resources in their native countries. You are only trying to treat the symptoms of the problem but arent adressing the actual problem. Go ahead and put up the wall and cameras and all you want but also stop benefiting off their land and be willing to pay the higher cost for it(agricultural products mainly). If you dont know what I mean then read my original posting again.
wow, motorcyclek9, way to stay off topic. are you serious with what you’re writing?? nobody blames the Latin countries for our current economic problems, at least not the informed public. the racists will always find someone to blame who isn’t what they consider to be “Americans” i for one find it to be extremely shameful that a majority of the hard, blue-collar labor jobs are for the most part being worked by mostly latinos, while a vast majority of the public wouldn’t even begin to consider applying for any of those jobs. my problem and what Mr. Paul is trying to explain on this issue of immigration are those illegal individuals undermining the citizenship process that so many other immigrants are following to the letter of the law. and why wouldn’t we want to secure our borders anyway. you just can’t go anywhere you want in europe or just about anyplace else without a passport or you leave.
but we cannot continue to allow illegals coming into the country using our hospitals to give birth and give that child instantaneous US citizenship. they are here by illegal means and have no rights to any of the benefits of this country. we have way too many of our own “legal” citizens having a hard go of things as it is. I think Ron Paul is dead-on with this topic.
why don’t we go to the source of the problem, Mexico’s economy. If we can help Mexico strengthen their economy illegal immigrants would no long have a reason to look for greener grass. We need to be building bridges and not walls. I’m not suprized that McCain beat RP. Obama is my pick.
I can see why B Hussein O is your man. Why don’t you just hop on the next bus down there?
Let them work on their own economy. Kill the greed and corruption there.
Michael Savage did have a good idea; let Mexico send a couple of barrels of oil per illegal per month (free) to the states to pay for them. Lets see that could be up to 40 million bbls a month.
That should help out the old family car.
Dear People,
I think that we Americans have to realize that many of the Latin American countries, where most ilegal imigrants come from, have been victims of American greed. Most countries in Latin America are the ones that produce all our coffe, fruits, and assorted agricultural goods. Most of their land has been tooken over by American companies. Some of the central American countries have to import a large percentage of their food from America. For those who have visited Mexico for example, when you are crossing the border into or out of Mexico you can see that there is always dozens and dozens of American trucks from companies like Walmart, Dole, Chikita Bannana, Furniture comapnies among many others. I think we should first assimilate the reality that we have benefited from their misery for so long and denied them the opportunity to be able to provide for themselves in their native countries. Most of us Americans don’t realize that we have directly contributed to the genocide of people and expropiation of their lands that the only choice for them is to come to the US and seek success here.
Also the US has sponsored dictators and overthrown democratic goverments in Latin America because it benefited American companies. Just take a look at Guatemala for example. 200,000 people were killed by dictators whom the US had installed and sponsored. The US at the time said they overthrew the democratically elected president because he was a communist. But in reality it was that individual who first brought democracy to Latin America. All, in the name of cheap bannanas. People dont come here because their country lacks resouces, they come here because we as Americans own most of their land and get our cheap food from them while American companies pay them pennies. Again, they dont come here because they lack resources in their countries but because we, for our own benefit, have drained their resources for as long as we have been in contact with them.
If we as Americans dont want them here we have to first ackwoledge that they are in the situation they are in because our government, American companies, and us as consumers have tooken their means of survival in their native homelands and used it for our own benefit. Second, we have to amend our wrong doing by giving back their agricultural land so they are able to do on their own. Lastly, we must be able to pay the price. We must be able to grow our own food, pay higher prices to obatain it, and pay higher wages for someone to do the jobs we regard as insignificant.
I see alot of people on this forum blaming them for all of our economic woes, but what we as Americans have to realize is that they too have been victims of the same goverment, corporatism that have also victimized us. Many here say that illegal aliens take all the social services and such. That is another lie. The same corporatist that have undermined us are now just giving us another scapegoat to relieve our frustration on. But in reality it the same thing that happens whenever they(the corporatist) fuck us over always do. Whenever it is that we get mad at our current situation whom they(corp) have created, they quickly divert our attention to a little scapegoat one day it is a political party, the other day is Russians, another it’s Muslims, Global Warming, Gays, Saddam. It doesnt really matter to them who they give us to blame as long as it is’nt the corporatist. It just so happens that this time it is the “Beaner”. He and he alone has created all this social unrest and he is responsible for the goverment disregarding our needs. It is always the beaner who brings down the economy. Think about this, how many “Beaners” have you seen that have bought houses or that have credit cards or that aproved the Iraq war? How many? None! This whole time while America has intoxicated itself with plasmas and cars and houses and ipods they have been right there working like little ants living within their means. But NO! It was the “Beaner” who brought down our economy. It couldnt have been us going nuts buying things that we cannot afford or it couldnt have been the incompetents on capitol hill who let the rich on wallstreet get richer as we all got poorer.
We should examine our leadership and the corrupts on wallstreet and hold them accountable before we begin to persecute a group of people whose sacrifice for this country, even beofre they ever stood here, outweighs the ocasional wrong doing we hold them all accountable of.
Awwww, poor peoples. Gee Whizz I guess that the greed of their own leaders/governments have nothing to do with it.
Get Real! Coup after Coup and what do the poor peoples get? Nothing, nada!!
How did the rich El Nortes get that land, hummmmm? Well durn, there goes those corrupt “Beaner” (as you like to say) Governments. Have those rich, rich, rich governments, or officials done anything to get the peoples out of the stone age? Come on speak up!! Aww, what’s that you say NADA!!
Get your head out of the clouds and smell the coffee being roasted by those rich companies.
I agree with every one of these points, except for the elimination of birthright citizenship.
Like you, Dr. Paul, I am a proponent of the US Constitution, and eliminating birthright citizenship goes against the 14th Amendment.
I do have a question. Is federal funding of a wall between US and Mexico unconstitutional or “pork barrel spending.” If not, I feel that this is the most efficient, quickest way of curbing the illegal immigration problem.
Gee Whizz, an Amendment can be errrr amended. If I had my way, it would require military service to be a citizen. All applicants must be accepted; don’t mean that they must survive.
Yes, the 14th amendment is flawed; I think I would amend it to any citizen born in the United States from parents legally in the country (citizens or here on work visa type of things)… so I guess I do agree with ending birthright citizenship- I’ve done some thinking about it.
I wouldn’t require military service – its involuntary servitude (slavery)… although we already have that through the income tax and the federal reserve, which both of course should be abolished.
a requirement of military service is far to forceful and coercive. My view is that if we have a free society, there will be an economic incentive (monetarily or utility wise) for the largest number of volunteers for military service in the case we need to fight to protect our freedoms.
I do support a wall being built, but also after some thinking, I think ending the welfare state is the quickest way to curb the immigration problem; the wall is merely a band aid on a bullet wound.
“its involuntary servitude (slavery)” not really! It would be very, very optional. If you want citizenship, earn it- you then truly appreciate it. After all if you care enough to be a citizen, then you should have no problem with serving.
Check the outs in the Constitution, there are/is an out regarding involuntary servitude – that is what made the Draft Constitutional. Of course part of the Citizenship/Military Service requirement would indeed be the total abolishment of the draft.
The income tax is in the Constitution so how is that involuntary Servitude. Heck, we the people amended the Constitution to allow the durn thing.
I think that a free society would be served (and protected) by those who volunteer for Military Service and hence Citizenship.
I agree with much of what Ron Paul stands for – enough so to write him on my ballot (a no-brainer after what the two main candidates decided to help mr. bush with his bail-out). And I do agree that ILLEGAL aliens need to be treated as law-breakers (they are, by the very definition of “illegal”). However, I personally think ending birthright citizenship is a move in the wrong direction.
I believe a strong economy comes from a strong workforce, and I believe a legitimate immigrant population contributes to a strong workforce. Tougher enforcement of immigration laws should be balanced by better enabling immigration legally. While the current birthright laws do cause a whole set of problems, I would rather see those problems addressed and solved, rather than simply throwing out this opportunity for citizenship (the very same opportunity I took advantage of when I was born!).
I believe the way to deal with immigration from other American countries is to help establish more just and equitable relationships with those countries. Help our own nation first, of course – but by helping our neighbors, we can build a more equitable America (that’s two contintents, not just fifty states) for all it’s citizens.
DoctorZ,
Then perhaps they should not come here. If there is no chance to get here legally, then dang, fresh outta luck!
It seems like the wrong thing to say to get elected, but then again, Ron Paul tends to say what we all have on our minds anyway! Go Paul! I have an obama sticker, covered by a mccain sticker, covered by a PAUL sticker, to let everyone know how much we need more than just TWO TWO voices in american politics.
No human being is illegal.
This is America, and we believe in life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
This reminds me of slavery; stop treating immigrants as second-class citizens. They can’t come here legally; there’s just no way.
Support the Constitution by supporting all immigrants on their path to freedom.
“No human being is illegal.”
Talk about your Non Sequitur!!
What is next, no human being is a criminal, a pervert?
This is America alright, we believe in LAW! Or perhaps that thought is a bit above you?
Yes, it is true, The USA is a nation of laws, not people as it was originally founded. The people no longer matter except to pay fr the extravagance of the political royalty. No different than medieval Europe.
Our politicians need to follow the rule of laws and enforce them. They were written with purpose. They pledge an oath to the office of presidency to follow the constitution as well. That is not suppose to be like some marriage vows that are quickly set aside after the honeymoon is over!! (Although we see this is the case with Obama and Bush.) The American people expect the president will do as he says on the campaign trail and in the pledges he makes. There are laws governing immigation. They need to ensure they are followed so that we have life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness in this country, even for those who legally immigate to America! Otherwise, we will see a deterioration of life, liberties and the pursuit of happiness here in our land.
Will people please stop quoting that stupid poem on that stupid French statue and read what, I dunno, JEFFERSON had to say about immigration? How about Hans Hoppe? That statue did not build this country; we did.
I say that as the descendant of legitimate Eastern European immigrants. Slam the borders shut NOW. Take the vote away from them NOW. They’ll only vote themselves more federal benefits at our expense.
None of this requires a wall; only vigilance and determination on the part of dedicated personnel. The violence and lawlessness on the southern border must be stopped, else what is the point of any other effort at security? This is not about race; it’s about not dying.
And please, for the love of God, somebody melt that bloody statue. Or at least stop using it’s poetic language to support a position that would probably horrify most of the founders of our great country.
Amen Nathan
Allen & Rhino,
I don’t see the conflict that you see in Ron’s thinking. We have enacted laws for many things. Entry into this country as well a citizenship requirement laws are no different than any other. I do not see Ron as saying boarder security means no immigration. I see that he is saying we must have LEGAL immigration, as our laws require. We don’t need to close or wall the borders, only follow our laws, require visas, check outdated visas, and not hire those who come to our country illegally. When this begins to be enforced in EACH American heart not just Uncle Sam’s then the illegal immigration issue will subside. WE are the people and companies that hire and make it possible to live and work here illegally. Border security must begin within each of us.
I think it s a shame that RP takes this point of view on this issue. It is contrary to everything that libertarianism stands for. If I could vote in the election, Ron pauls immigration policies is reason enough not to vote for him. In most other cases, he is the guy with the ideas of the future.
Oh yes I forgot. Libertarianism stands for pass the KY!!
Karl would be proud
We seem to forget that beautiful poem enscripted on the Statue of Liberty:
“Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.”
I have to disagree with RP on the immigration issue — I live in Texas and immigrant wages are not significantly cheaper for any job worth having. I’ve also never lost a job to any immigrant.
I have, however, lost jobs to overseas outsourcing that provides inferior quality work.
And another good response! I agree Allen. Let’s think about building a wall around jobs going overseas rather than dividing a neighboring country. I wonder how much money that’s costing us rather than jobs being lost to illegal immigrants? It’s funny how that whole stance of “they’re taking our jobs” resonate. They mean to tell me that a day laborer is going to take their office job? Good point!
Good Golly! There must be a good number of jobs lost to them, else, why so many here? Perhaps to rob us of our tax dollars.
Again, it is not a matter of them taking the jobs, it is a matter of employer greed. Greed sure seems to have come home to rest now-a-days. Nail/Jail the crooked employers, and get those jobs paying a real wage. People will take them.
Of course a lot of people are gonna have to make a major lifestyle change. Parents are gonna have to get off their butts and parent, and kids are gonna have to stop playing World of Warcraft all day long and take the jobs.
My first job was picking cotton along side migrant workers. They were not illegal and were some of the best people I ever met. Of course machines do that now. People can be here legally and work. But this slavery at the hands of Crooks has to stop. Americans work first then legal immigrants.
I happen to not understand what is wrong with 60 million of the world’s brightest, most ambitious people moving to USA. I think that would be wonderful. It would be great for America to get some fresh blood that would rejuvinate this country. 150 years ago America was spending lots of money just to convince people to move here and the country boomed. Why not create immigration policies that are effective in bringing only the people that would actually help our economy.
I am an immigrant and a college professor, teaching business and entrepreneurship. Through me being here, not only did I become more successful, but so did this country. The immigration system is broken keeping the good out, while the troublemakers are not quite so easily detered. We need to fix it, but that does not mean shut it down.
TO Bridget and Damien, Ron Paul said, “End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S. illegally will remain strong.” … which I think means that (new) kids of illegal aliens will not have citizenship. That doesn’t mean kids of people with Green Cards (people who were allowed into this country legally) will have a problem, as they will also have a Green Card, and will either receive citizenship when their parents get it, or if they are older than 18, when they get it themselves.
Yeah right – Walls ALWAYS work! Berlin and East Germany are great examples. And how are you gonna round up everyone whose Visas expire? Answer: A whole lot of civil liberty violations, coming right at you. The US can’t live in a vacuum – no country can! The sooner we learn that it’s ONE world and we all live in it together, the better off we’ll all truly be.
I am totally discussed with how our country is being ran. Being 66 yrs old I never dreamed america could get so screwed up. Common sense is all that is required but that does not exist in our 2 party dictatorship government.
After doing some research it left me with no doubt that you are what America needs to get us back on the right track.
You will have my vote for president of the United States of America, will be voting Independent this time. “Remember Common Sense”
Then you are mature enough to understand how the two majorly inept parties destroyed the country over the last 54 years.
What is your next step? More complaining?
I disagree with getting rid of birth right. It was important in founding our country and I think is too much part of our idenity to split. Though I know Paul is a lover of individualism, I don’t want to be a France and I love America’s rich multiculturalism too much to part with it.
In in early founding. However in the real early founding period, people were building a country, often in a militia, and/or working and fighting for their lives along with their livelihood. Time marches on.
They came where there was no welfare state (legally) and fought and scraped their way up the class ladder during the industrial revolution. Things were very grim, those immigrants worked and worked be it in a factory or a mine. Did you know that at the same period of time i.e. Dicken’s London for example, the death rate for the poor in NYC was three times that of London?
Those people earned every bit of their citizenship.
However, things have indeed changed, and we need to take a new look at things. I think that after the end of World War II, we should have amended the Constitution to birthright citizenship.
Aside – If we had, Obama would have had to serve in order to earn citizenship and run for President. There would not be this flap going on about it now.
Now, take a look at how many people get involved in simply voting in this country – NOT. The number is just too sad. For most people, I feel that there is no Citizenship identity, heck, for many it is below taking for granted even.
Yep, the Constitution has to be changed regarding Citizenship; however; it will also need to be changed to protect certain rights of the non-citizen. After all, most will choose not to become citizens, if in particular it requires military service; not the peace or job corps or any other pretense of government service, but hard time military – defend this country and earn the right to vote, run for office and hold government jobs- just like those who served before us.
i think i should be a law that if you don’t have working papers or a gree card you should not be aloud to enter usa ………..
robert traina
then that would impact the tourism that positively impacts our economy. Not to mention that it sounds borderline racist.
I believe that AIPAC is the real reason why ron Paul wasnot successfull in primaries…
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/rosnerBlog.jhtml?itemNo=921350&contrassID=25&subContrassID=0&sbSubContrassID=1&listSrc=Y&art=1
This November I will put Ron Paul’s name on my Ballot, unless Mr Caine drops out and then it would save me the trouble.
I say let’s annex parts of Mexico and use these annexations to prove to the rest of Mexico that joining the US is the way to go. My reasons are simple: Mexico is a corrupt place and has been for over 500 years. We will never have a stable neighbor to our south unless a responsible government is in place, real US style property rights are granted, and the criminal element is hunted down and destroyed. None of these things are likely to happen with the present power structure in Mexico. Our best option is to annex. We’ve rebuilt Iraq’s government, military, border patrol, etc in record time and it’s not our country. Imagine how quickly we could rebuild Mexcio if we owned it!
Now there’s a thought…honestly, one of the more interesting solutions I’ve heard. Not sure how it would work, but its a solution rather than kvetching about something we have no control over in the first place. Kudos!
Glenn,
You mentioned that Mexico is a corrupt place for over 500 years? That number will place Mexico some where in 1509 circa. Mexico was conquered in 1521, the first city will come about 5 years after the conquest. Please read before you show the world how iliterate most North Americans are. BTW you are so naive if you beleive North America actually REBUILT by now the Iraqui goverment. It is a mess over there, the iraqui goverment IS really corrupt, and it’s members are a bunch of killers and opportunists.
El Kanijo,
Please do your own homework before you go bashing someone else. Under U.S. protection Iraq has had its first free election in decades. The infastructure in Iraq is a hell of a lot better than it has ever been. Job opportunities are open for men and women of various religious backgrounds. The problems in Iraq right now are not caused by Americans, they are caused by those who wish to keep the people of Iraq in a form of slavery by refusing education, forcing labor, and denying civil rights.
Way to be a hypocrite, congraultations on showing yourself to be the dumbest form of life on the planet.
I support Ron Paul 100% on all issues.
Lemmings are the reason the nation is crumbling as it is. Accept no other’s as your thoughts–that’s brainwashing.
Race card lemmings as well.
I don’t agree with getting rid of the birthright. You can still squash illegal immigration without doing that. It’s not the fault of the child that they had parents willing to break the law to get a “better life”. I think if parents do this they get a choice. Take the child back home with them but the child is still a citizen and can come back when ever they want or leave the child. I’m sure most parents would take the child back with them and the ones that choose not too probably shouldn’t be allowed to have kids anyway.
Hi Pete,
To address your last question, “Why does illegal immigration matter?”, let me start by saying that first, it is illegal, meaning that it is against the laws of the United States. There are many reasons why the law was written and is in place, but it is not meant to be punitive. what it means is that our country provides a legal means and set of procedures to be followed by anyone, regardless of race, religion, gender, etc., to become a citizen, and therefore qualify for all the rights and priveleges that are afforded one. The main issues today are that illegal immigrants siphon tax dollars from legal citizens in many forms; education, medical care, food stamps, and other forms. Do you think this is fair? Unfortunately, the procedures for becoming a citizen are long and cumbersome, and I do not think that is fair either. Overall, the system is in need of repair. Do you have any ideas? If so, then please run for office!
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Jack, you failed to mention that alleged illegals do work lazy Americans will not do, that they are taxed at the same rate as their natural peers (and they really ask for a refund making them a high tax-paying group), they live in fear of deportation every day (despite what the media says), their motivation is a better life for their families–not breaking the law, most are more industrious and religious than the natural citizenry which makes them potentially better neighbors than the whiners who denounce them, the incidence of crime and drugs among illegals is no higher than other groups but they get caught more easily because they cannot blend like middle-class trash and their lazy offspring, that this nation was built by immigrants–not natural citizens, that the original immigrants stole the entire country from its true natural inhabitants, that race factors heavily in the hatred by whites toward illegals, that the right of freedom of movement is guaranteed and shutting the borders illegally infringes on that right (no matter what our socialist government says), people in the US are mono-linguistic and culturally bland (not mention myopic in their thinking) which plays into their inability to accept difference for its benefits, that Mexican heritage is a strong part of what is considered “the West” yet US citizens fail to acknowledge that reality, when people discuss illegals it is a code word for Mexicanos even though the president has illegal relatives living in the US.
If one has not experienced a US embassy from outside the US, then they have no idea how meaningless their existence is to the US government. The idea that anyone, without IBM, MSFT or some other politically connected group, could legally immigrate is a fallacious absurdity.
The picture of immigration is far from clear and all points are debatable if discussed with an open mind (a rarity). The current debate and the hatred of alleged illegals in the white community is fueled primarily by the fact that those racists can no longer legally focus their mal-intent on blacks. Whose next? The Hmong?
Your race card is tattered.
West,
You’re an idiot. Plain and simple. Illegal immigrants are not taxed, I’m not sure what fairy tale world you live in that makes you believe that *ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS* give into the system in which they so feverently rob from, but in this little place I call *REALITY* that simply isn’t true.
I understand that you are biased because you blame the government for your misfortune. You blame the “white man” for your streak of bad luck. When in all actuality you need to point the finger no farther than your own mother and father, and at yourself. Had you been raised with better values, better morals, and a better drive of personal responsibility, you would probably be a better citizen of this nation. As it stands now, you’re just another screw up mooching my tax dollars.
*applauds Charlie*
Indeed, West is a buffoon. I’m betting he’s a liberal heart-bleeder living in a bubble. Mr. West, I hate to break this to you but…white people aren’t the ONLY folk fed-up with the Illegal situation. There are many Hispanics here in Texas whose ancestors came here LEGALLY who consistantly speak out against illegals.
My point is, before you go flapping your jaws and labeling all of us white people racist and/or ignorant, perhaps you should actually get off your mother’s couch and go talk to some everyday hard-working LEGAL Mexicans. I’ll even be happy to point some out to you if you care to come visit. You see, unlike you, I believe in being INFORMED straight from the source.
West11,
Your points are the same ones that I brought to the table, and anyone who has had contact with these people can attest to. Fear and prejudice is the only valid reason someone would bash another the way you have been for bringing up what is really going on. Most people do not wish to open their eyes, it might change their life. I hope that you, Pete, actually research both sides of this argument, and find the truth for yourself. I do agree with RP that there should not be any social service benefits for immigrants, but I feel that social services should be junked anyway, so that point does not really matter, then. If there is to be true reform, many of our systems should be thrown away and begun anew, since reforming them does not work, we have tried it ever since they were created.
I’m sorry Ms. Kitty, but fear and predjudice doesn’t factor into MY opinion of illegals. How dare you imply such? First of all, ma’am, I live in a state that is innundated beyond measure by illegals. People whom I would give my last shirt to help IF they obtained citizenship LEGALLY. Secondly, there is a right way and a wrong way to ask for help. The right way is to be HONEST. The wrong way is to sneak into this country like a thief in the night and abuse our generosity by leeching off our system of health care, welfare and the like. There again, if these people were HONEST and waited in the INS line like the rest of the HONEST people out there, I wouldn’t even bat an eye helping them.
So, you ma’am, owe people like ME who cannot get any help from the social system if I ever NEEDED it because the system is already over-run by illegals, an apology. Take your fear / predjudice comments and slap yourself in the head for being yet another narrow-minded nincompoop.
Pete,
Check this out:
http://www.ronpaul.com/2008-05-07/ron-paul-no-amnesty/
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul314.html
Illegal immigration is in the process of turning the US into a third world country with a small ruling elite, a small middle class and an impoverished majority.
Almost everyone will be worse off, except the ruling elite (a divided and poor people is easier to keep under control) and illegal immigrants who are still better off than they would be in their home countries.
Therefore the policy should be “no amnesty”, “secure the borders”, and “give them incentives to return home”.
My name is Pete VanKlaveren and I’m an 8th Grader at Alderwood Middle School in Lynnwood, Washington.
I am doing a research project and my essential question is “How Does Illegal Imigration impact the US, and what should the policy be?”
I was wondering if you could share your opinions with me, to answer a few questions. If you can’t, do you know anyone who could?
What do you think some large impacts are from illegal immigration on the US?
What sould the policy be on illegal immigration?
Why does illegal immigration matter?
Thank you very much for taking your time to red this. I look forward to hearing from you.
Sincerely,
Pete VanKlaveren
Ron Paul on the Immigration Question:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul314.html
For those of us that are deeply concerned about the devastating effect of illegal immigration, I suggest you organize and express your opinions. We can no longer trust our government.
E-mail your complaints and concerns to you representatives. This can help you start your own campaign to stop the madness of illegal immigration.
Also, join an organizaton to act in mass. The best grassroot activism group is NumbersUSA.com. They will get you started and empower you to actually make a difference. At least check out the site.
this is an posting i was replying back to someone i wanted to share it with you extract what you can and bring it forward to there attention it is first stating about what is at hand nearing our border in texas…HOW FAR FROM THE BORDER IS CIVILIZATION ON THIS SIDE IN TEXAS? SOUNDS PRETTY BAD….YOU KNOW WHAT WOULD DISCOURAGE THEM IS CEAZE UP THERE POSSESSIONS, HOUSES, CARS, AND EVEN BELONGINGS THAT ORANIZE THEMSELVES IN THESE MATTER AND AUTION THEM OFF, THE MONIES AND POSSESSION CAN GO BACK INTO THERE ENFORCEMENT AND MAYBE SOME BONUSES IN THESE DRURASTIC TIMES WHICH WOULD BE INCENTIVE FOR THEM TO KEEP THEMSELVES FROM BECOMING CORRUPTED….THAT WOULD BE DISCOURAGING KNOWING THAT THEIR MONEY ISNT GOING TO GET THEM FAR…PEOPLE THAT GAIN MONEY THROUGH ILL GOTTEN GAIN DONT LAST LONG ENOUGH TO ENJOY IT WOULD DISCOURAGE OTHERS FROM JOINING OR OTHERS FROM FORMING. I NOTICED THEY HAD A TIP LINE SOMEWHERE TO REPORT SUCH PEOPLE, THE PEOPLE NEED TO FORM A COMMUNITY WATCH BUT A REAL LOW PROFILE ONE TO GUARD THEMSELVES FROM THERE THREAT(POSSIBLY AT A LATER TIME DEPENDING ON HOW BAD THE SITUATION IS IN THERE AREA). . THOSE PEOPLES EYES NEED TO BE OPEN AND KNOW THAT THERE COPS OR WHATEVER THEY HAVE ARE THERE FOR THEM. THEY ARE NOT COMBATING WITH THEM FOR NOTHING. IF THEY WANT PEACE THE COMMUNITY NEEDS TO COME TOGETHER AND BE EYES AND EARS FOR ONE ANOTHER, THEY CAN GO ABOUT DAILY BUSSINESS AS USUAL BUT PAY ATTENTION AS TO WHERE THESE CRIMINAL LIVE AND WHAT IS THERE DAILY ROUTE BUT ON THE LOW-DOWN SO THEY DONT GET THREATEND THEMSELVES. THEY CAN USE T.V OR RADIO’S TO BROADCAST TIP LINES TO REPORT CRIMINAL CONDUCT.
THE QUESTION THAT I WOULD ASK MYSELF IS WHAT ARE THEY RAGING WAR FOR, DO THEY WANT TO GET ACCROSS THE BORDER OR IS IT THERE COUNTER ATTACK BECAUSE THEY ARE NEARING TO RAID THEM.
I GUESS TO CLEAN THIS UP WOULD BE LIKE THE BOY THAT WALKED ALONG THE SEA SHORE AFTER THE STORM AND THROUGH THE STARFISH BACK INTO THE SEA ONE BY ONE, EVEN THOUGH THERE WERE SO MANY. ONE CARTEL AT A TIME NOT JUST THE LEADER! BLOCK BY BLOCK, CITY BY CITY. IF ITS ANYTHING LIKE AMERICA WE HAVE COPS AND SHERRIFF’S TO PATROLL EACH CITY WHICH LEADS ME TO THIS CONCLUSION IF THEY WERE MAKING BETTER USE OF OUR TAX MONEY AND DOING THERE JOBS IN WHICH THEY GET PAID FOR BY THE PEOPLE THERE WOULD BE ALOT LESS CRIMES. AFTER ALL THAT IS WHY WE PAY OUR TAXES! I WENT TO THE SHERRIFF DEPARTMENT HERE IN SAN JACINTO AND WHEN I DROPPED OF A LIST OF PEOPLE’S ADDRESSES AND TOLD THEM WHAT IT IS FOR THEY LOOKED AT ME AND SAID WHO WAS I? LIKE I AM NOBODY TO INFORM THEM. I THOUGHT THAT IS WHAT COMMUNITY WATCH IS FOR! TO MANY SHERRIFFS IN THIS LAND AS WELL THE INDIAN CASINOS HAVE CURRUPTED THEM AND NOW THEY TRAVEL TO DIFFFERANT CITYS IN WHICH GIVES THEM AN ADVANTAGE FOR AN INSIDE SCOOP FOR RAIDS SO THEY DONT GET RAIDED OR PAY OFFS, IF WE DONT WATCH OUT IT WILL BE NO DIFFERANT THEN MEXICO ITSELF. COPS ONLY WORK WITH WHATS IN THERE CITY SHERRIFFS ARE MORE BROADER AND ARE MORE PRONE TO TAKE CORRUPTION IN OTHER CITY’S AS WELL. THE INDIAN RESERVATIONS NO LONGER HOLD CONTRACTS WITH THEM SO THEY ARE NO LONGER ABLE TO PATROL THERE LANDS COPS DO RAIDS, HAVE SWAT, AND GIVE TICKETS. WHATS BAD IS EVEN THEY ARE BECOMING CORRUPTED ALSO. I BELIEVE THE INDIAN RESERVATIONS STOPPED THE CONTRACT WITH THE SHERRIFFS DEPARTMENT FOR THE USE OF A COVER UP!
I HEARD WHEN PEOPLE GET PULLED OVER THE SHERRIFFS EVEN HAVE THE GUTS TO SAY THAT THEY ARE NOBODY TO RAT OFF THOSE INDIANS, AND THIS IS WHAT THEY DO TO THE MEXICANS THAT ARE HEAR, BECAUSE THEY FEEL THAT THEY HAVE NO RIGHTS, HOWEVER A TICKET COMPARED TO SOMEBODY KILLING SOMEONE OR SELLING DRUGS AND AMMO TO PEOPLE IS A WHOLE LIGHT LIGHTER MATTER. TALK ABOUT SWALLOWING A CAMEL AND CHOCKING ON A NAT. A WINKING ONLY AT A LIGHT MATTER AS IF ITS NOTHING. DONT KNOW WHY I AM WRITTING ALL OF THIS BUT I DID.
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THE SAFETY OF OUR BORDERS IS A VERY IMPORTANT ISSSUE, BUSH DID START BUILDING THE WALLS AND ALSO ADDED MORE BORDERPATROLS AND I BELIEVE THEY ARE STILL HIRING MORE FROM WHAT I HEAR.
WHEN CHOOSING BORDER PATROLS I FEEL THAT THEY SHOULD ONLY USE AT LEAST 2ND AND 3RD GENERATION AMERICANS SO WE KNOW THEY ARE FAMIALIAR WITH THE LAWS. WHICH MEANS THERE PARENTS NEEDS TO BE AN AMERICAN FOR AT LEAST 30YRS. THIS WOULD HELP CLOSE THE WINDOWS OUR OWN BORDERPATROLS OPEN FOR DRUG DEALERS TO PUSH THROUGH AND AS WELL BRING OTHERS OVER…..
I HEARD A STATISTIC THAT SAN BERNADINO COUNTY ALLOWED 600,000 PEOPLE TO BECOME US CITIZENS IN 7 YRS. THAT IS ALOT OF PEOPLE AND IN MY OWN OPION TO MANY. EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT THEY HAVE BIG FAMILYS.
DO THE MATH JUST THINK IF WITHEN 30 YRS ALL 600,000 PEOPLE HAD AN AVARAGE NUMBER OF CHILDREN OF 4 THAT IS 2,400,000 PEOPLE IN SAN BERNADINO COUNTY ALONE….NOW THINK OF HOW MANY OF THEM GET WELFARE, LETS SAY AT LEAST HALF OF THE 600,000 PEOPLE WHICH IS 300,000 (IN MY OWN OPION MORE LETS JUST USE THAT AS AN EXAMPLE) FAMILY OF 4 GETS ABOUT 700.00 A MONTH ON WELFARE AND TIMES THAT BY 300,000 THAT IS 210,000,000 A MONTH THAT GOES OUT TO THEM ALONE.NO WONDER WHY WE ARE HAVING A CRISIS.
NOW THINK ABOUT HOW MANY WORK SAY THE OTHER HALF 300,000 AT THEN CUT THAT IN HALF FOR ONLY ONE SPOUSE WORKING SO 150,000 PEOPLE SO THAT IS 150,000 PEOPLE THAT ARE TAKING OUR JOBS THAT HAVE JUST BECAME CITIZENS NOT TO MENTION THOSE THAT ARE NOT. AND THOSE FIGURES AINT EVEN THE AVERAGE PROBLY. CRAZY WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT ALOT OF OUR TAX DOLLARS IN WHICH WE HAVE PUT IN AND OUR FOREFATHERS HAVE PUT IN IS BEING USED FOR WHAT OTHERS DID NOT PUT IN. NO WONDER WHY THEY WONDER IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE ANY MONEY FOR SOCIAL SECURITY IN THE FUTURE. THE PROGRAM THEY NOW HAVE IS NOT A SELF-SUFFECCIENT PROGRAM TO KEEP AMERICA OUT OF THE DEFFICIT. I GUARENTEE I CAN HELP WRITE ONE UP THAT CAN WORK!
ALSO BORDER PATROLS, POLICE DEPARTMENTS, SHERRIFF DEPT. ALL SHOULD HAVE A FAMILY BACKGROUNG CHECK BEFORE HIRING. IF THERE FAMILY MEMBER IS A KNOWN TO SELL DRUGS USE THAT ONE TO TRAIN HIM WHEN THEY GO OUT TO DO A RAID THIS WOULD ALSO DISCOURAGE THEM FROM BEING THE INSIDE SCOOP AND BECOMING CORRUPT.
ALSO THE BORDER PATROL SHOULD ONLY HIRE 2ND AND 3RD GENERATION AMERICANS OF COURSE THE ONES THAT ARE LONGER THEN THAT. THIS WOULD HELP THEM BECOME FAMILIAR WITH THE LAWS AND ALSO HELP CONCENCRATE THEM FROM THE CORRUPTION IN WHICH THEY HAVE LEFT THAT WAS IN ANOTHER TOWN. BIBLE DOES STATE THE GENERATION CURSE FALLS TO THE THIRD AND FOURTH GENERATION. THIS MEAN IF YOU WERE TO USE THE 2ND GENERATION BOTH PARENTS WOULD HAVE TO BE A CITIZEN FOR 30YRS BEFORE THEY CAN BECOME AN OFFICER, BORDER PATROL, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL AND SOFORTH. THERE ARE PLENTY OF JOBS IN WHICH THEY CAN WORK FOR THE TIME BEING TILL THERE YEARS ARE IN…..SAME THING FOR CASH-AID/WELFARE MONIES THIS WOULD HELP DISCOURAGE THEM FROM ABUSING THE SYSTEM AND BRINGING MORE OVER OUR BORDERS, AS WELL AS ALLOWING THEM TO PUT IN ENOUGH TAX DOLLARS IN TO START TO RECIEVE SUCH MONIES FROM OUR SYSTEM, THIS IS IN MY OPION WOULD BE A START FOR A SELF-SUFFICENT AMERICA.HELPING TO END OUR DEFICIT….I HAVE PLENTY OF MORE IDEAS OR MORE THAT I THINK WOULD HELP BRING THIS PLAN TOGETHER I AM GOING TO SEND THIS ALSO TO MIKE HUCKABEE AS WELL TO MAKE SURE THIS IS LOOKED INTO. I NOTICE YOU DONT HAVE A CONTACT EMAIL SO IS THE REASON I AM SENDING THIS TO YOU HEAR I MAY END UP GOOGLE SEARCHING IT TO PASTE THIS THERE AS WELL, WELL RON PAUL GOD BLESS AND I WILL BE LOOKING FORWARD FROM HEARING FROM YOU….
Mr. Florez,
By your last name, and the way you express yourself in your comments above, I will be assuming you are a 4th of 5th generation in the USA right? well, let me tell you that being a 4th or 5th generation has NOT help you write in English. I have never see SO MANY misspelled words, and lack of proper grammar. YOU definitely could not be hired by the INS. And please Mr. Florez NO ONE writes in upper case, unless you want to EMPHASIZE a point.
I agree, but this is my take. I think that with the way things are going “now a days”, we have no choice but to keep silent. We are crowded with these men and woman that cross our boarders! I live in Houston,Tx and I have to say that even though it is not as bad here as it is in San Antonio,Tx. I for one feel I have no voice.
They crowd our welfare lines and hospitals! They have bill boards and radio stations and t.v. stations that are more like a 2:1 over our english. If the Goverment wants more money, lets start taxing them more! I hknow it comes off as hate a little bit but the line has to be drawn.
They come here and rape our way of life and expect us to pay for your kids and teach them in our schools while our own children come home and tell us that they don’t understand something their teacher teaches them cause it’s in spanish! Sorry I kinda outburted there. But something has got to give. Do we lay back and watch our nation cont. to ignor us as our state falls to crime and drugs? I think not!
We need a strong person that listens to the people. You don’t see German t.v. stations or French! Why Spanish? If they love our way of life some much, why is it that when they get here they try to make it look and feel like Mexico? Damn we should just envade Mexico throw in a Burger King and a Wal-Mart say it’s Texas and everyone would be happy!
I would love to hear from you Ron Paul and let me know what you think? Thanx everyone.
John S.
Houston,Tx.
We dont’ reward lawbreakers. They have to follow the law if they want to become citizens. Our government is at fault for not drawing the line at the border! English IS America’s language. I used to work for DSHS in Community Services. Foreigners would call in their native language and expect I would know what the hell they were asking for! No English, No help.
I worked for a community college favoring minorities from every land. The Director signed letters approving “free money” for them to pay for their college education. It is policies like this that are so very wrong. The money comes from Americans (taxpayers) who would like to go to college themselves, and could if our government didn’t give our money away to others who have not contributed to our country and may not after graduation! They can take their free college education back to their homeland to benefit themselves and their native country or compete in our job market for our jobs.
Please learn some Internet etiquette, especially if you expect anyone to read your thoughts. On the web, caps are the equivalent of shouting. No one listens to shouters. Hence, your message fell on deaf eyes …
Can’t read your too loud post. Stop using the capital letters if you would like your posts read!
This country has put the majority of its ppl down in the dumps a divided country is easier to rule your not going to loose your job house everything we have worked so hard to obtain no instead we cry like babies complain to our selfs no one can help us last time i checked the ppl make this country if a sea of people demand for change dont expect the goverment to do it their in it for them selfs just like an average person LETS STAND UP TOGETHER AND DEMAND CHANGE AND NOT ACCEPT”OH WE HAVE TO DISCUSS IT IN A COMITEE”what a load of BS all this change should of came years ago but we were living it up now we are all in the hole and we shouldnt be divided lets be open about it as citizens to all our issues in our country WAKE UP AMERICA OUR COUNTRY IS BEING STOLE RIGHT UNDER OUR FEETS {omargarcia480@yahoo.com} i got tons of ideas right or wrong lets have a much needed debate within the people not senators or represenatives or the president he is only pres.for two terms 8 years can do alot of damage thank u for reading my people of american FREEDOM COME WITH A PRICE {REVOLUTION}WHO IS WILLING TO STAND
I disagree with this considering our nation was built by “illegal” immigrants. I believe a better option would be to offer nationalization to all immigrants that wish it. We should be humanitarian in this as well. How can we quote the words on the statue of liberty and then offer these types of solutions?
It must be interesting to be so ignorant. Offer nationalization to those who chose to ignore our laws and regulations? Seriously? You can’t be that dumb.
This nation was not “built” by illegal immigrants. This nation was built by people who came here, worked hard so the next generation could have a better life. If they didn’t learn English they didn’t get out into the public, they didn’t expect the nation to bend to their inability to assimilate. They understood that they were giving up large volumes of their lives for a better tomorrow for their children.
The illegal immigrants of today don’t share that quality. They expect workplaces to have spanish speaking employees, they expect hospitals to take care of them on the taxpayer dime. It’s complete BS, and people like you who offer up nothing more than a bleeding heart are more of a problem than the solution.
Please, for the love of America, go suck start a pistol. You are hurting this nation more than you are helping it with your uninformed, under-educated ideals.