A nation without borders is no nation at all. After decades of misguided policies America has now become a free-for-all. Our leaders betrayed the middle class which is forced to compete with welfare-receiving illegal immigrants who will work for almost anything, just because the standards in their home countries are even lower.
If these policies are not reversed, the future is grim. A poor, dependent and divided population is much easier to rule than a nation of self-confident individuals who can make a living on their own and who share the traditions and values that this country was founded upon.
Ron Paul’s six point plan puts a stop to illegal immigration:
- Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated immigration reform proposals.
- Enforce visa rules. Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law. This is especially important when we recall that a number of 9/11 terrorists had expired visas.
- No amnesty. Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are in our country illegally. That’s a lot of people to reward for breaking our laws.
- No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed immigrants who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules. But taxpayers should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals, clinics, schools, roads, and social services.
- End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S. illegally will remain strong. [This change will obviously NOT be applied retroactively. Current U.S. citizens will not be affected. Instead, babies born to illegals after a future cutoff date will no longer gain automatic U.S. citizenship. They will still have citizenship in their parents' home countries.]
- Pass true immigration reform. The current system is incoherent and unfair. But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity. Legal immigrants from all countries should face the same rules and waiting periods.
The facts on the ground are being created right now. Every day that passes makes it more difficult to reverse the damage that has already been done.
BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP must be ended. It is time to end this fraud perpetuated on the USA. The Illegal alien mothers know darn well what they’re doing when they come to deposit their babies on USA soil. They know that between them and their offspring, they are given: Free births, WIC, food stamps, etc.
I don’t know about other nations, but the offspring born to Mexican citizens born on USA soil are considered Mexican citizens.
I think it’s high time the Mexicans stop letting their own government off the hook.
Besides, when they march in our streets waving Mexican flags and chanting Viva Mexico, maybe they should return to the nation that has “done so much for them.”..And for any ANCHOR BABIES who marched in our streets doing the same, they should go to Mexico and see that Mexico does for them what they demand from the USA.
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1. We as Legal USA Citizens are entitled to Secure borders and enforced Immigration laws. Period!……And without FALSE ACCUSATIONS of: Racism, Xenophobism and Nativism.
Q: Where’s all the racist and xenophobe accusations directed at MEXICO? MEXICO enforces its own immigration laws and tries to secure its border. They even have this Tren de la Muerte (Train of Death) and MEXICO kills, rapes and robs ILLEGAL ALIENS and yet, we’re supposed to shower our ILLEGAL ALIENS with all manner of services?
When POLITICIANS (Both Parties) say Illegal Aliens are doing the jobs Americans won’t do, our Politicians should look in the mirror. They certainly fit that description.
2. NAU (N. American Union) and SPP (Security and Prosperity Partnership): The plan to merge: Canada, the USA and Mexico together.
2b. RECONQUISTA-AZTLAN (the plan to reclaim the former Mexican Territory ranging from the state of CA to CO-TX) is being piggybacked onto the NAU-SPP plan.
2c. Many Politicians of BOTH PARTIES at all government levels are in on this plan (particularly if they belong to the CFR).
2d. ThisNAU-SPP is also why our POLITICIANS allow our SCHOOLS to teach RECONQUISTA-AZTLAN through: LA RAZA, MEChA and other CHICANO Studies.
This is also why our Politicians allow these entities to operate promoting the ILLEGAL ALIEN-OPEN BORDER-NAU-SPP Agenda and allow: La Raza, MEChA, MAPA, MALDEF, La Voz de Aztlan, the Mexica Movement, La Oferta, El Observador, the Brown Berets, Univision, etc to operate with complete impunity in our nation.
This is why they allowed ILLEGAL ALIENS to march through our streets with complete impunity demanding AMNESTY and the DREAM ACT (while proudly waving their MEXICAN FLAGS and chanting “Viva Mexico” and foisting up the Mexican flags on top of USA flags or flying the USA flags upside down.
USA Flags are used as PROPS: They were told it “looked bad” to be waving so many Mexican flags….That’s the only reason you see USA flags.
Also, the movie of MACHETE was released on MAY 1st, the COMMUNIST MAY-DAY holiday and the actor DANNY TREJO said very threateningly, “This is a Message for Arizona.”
Now, why was this tolerated?
3. BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP of those born to ILLEGAL ALIENS: Why haven’t our gutless-wonder politicians ended this yet?
4. E-VERIFY: Why hasn’t this been forced on ALL EMPLOYERS yet?
Q: Why are USA CITIZENS forced to pay for ILLEGAL ALIENS and their ANCHOR BABIES through: FREE births, WIC, food stamps, housing, LEGAL aide, language aide, FREE school (including free breakfasts-lunches) and the DREAM ACT (CA also provides financial aide to Illegal Aliens now as well) thanks to the urging of GIL CEDILLO (while the state of CA is flat broke)!
5. GLOBAL GOVERNMENT PLAN of Abolishing Borders and merging them into blocs. The E.U. was first, we’re next with the NAU-SPP.
5b. For those who think RONALD REAGAN (a BOHEMIAN GROVE ATTENDEE) was such a hero, think about this: There could NOT be a EUROPEAN UNION with the BERLIN WALL still standing….There could not be an upcoming NAU (N. American Union) without the 1986 AMNESTY and then opening up the floodgates for ILLEGAL ALIENS to pour in (for work and all manner of services) to entice them and no border security or immigration enforcement!
Yes, our politicians are well aware of this GLOBAL GOVERNMENT PLAN. Why else do they serve their GLOBALIST MASTERS, the Banksters, the Federal Reserve and Corporations so faithfully and threw their own citizens under the bus?
Finally, I don’t know if I trust RON PAUL either, not after his (SCAPEGOATING LLEGAL-ALIEN comment). Sure, he opposes the FED RESERVE, but, he recently said (we were “SCAPEGOATING ILLEGAL ALIENS”).
Hmm, does this mean, he won’t secure our borders or enforce our immigration laws either? Will he still force us to pay for ILLEGAL ALIENS and their ANCHOR BABIES?
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If it’s correct for American employers to hire undocumented workers, why is it incorrect for undocumented workers to enter our country illegally?
“Contradictions do not exist. Whenever you think that you are facing a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong.” ~ Ayn Rand
American borders are intended to provide a safe environment for Americans to “pursue their happiness”. American borders are not intended to provide a steady flow of cheap, disposable labor so that employers who hire undocumented workers can gain a competitive advantage over employers who don’t. It’s the worst kind of intellectual dishonesty, of corrupt ethical values, to claim support for a “free market” that depends on a threat of deportation to contract for labor.
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So it’s ok for a business to go overseas and pay those employees with the American money but its not ok for business to stay here and pay people that live in America so they can spend their money here in America. ??? And AMERICAN EMPLOYERS SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO HIRE WHO EVER THEY LIKE. It’s their business they should run it how they please
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An “AMERICAN” business, protected by “AMERICAN” law, ought to practice according to the terms of the license it agrees to operate under. Those which cross borders to employ cheap labor else where are certainly entitled to practice according to local law, and pay with local currency. They at least are not aiding and abetting illegal immigration here, and they are not contributing to the hundreds of deaths that occur each year in illegal border crossings.
You can’t have it both ways, SoCalAmerican. If, as you et al assert, undocumented workers only take jobs Americans don’t want, it makes more sense for American employers to cross borders to where this cheap labor force lives. Certainly the wages they earn will go further in their home communities than here in ours; and they won’t risk their lives just to go to work!
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Undocumented workers do not owe their soul to our company store.
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It seems like you are missing the point. People cross over here to the US to find jobs an opportunity to survive. Yea maybe it will work if companies take there business across the border and emply them over there, but there is a lot of curruption over in other countries and it will be hard for the company to operate. I understand your point completely but many people will break the rules like they are now to help hard working people. So why not chance the laws and I know Ron Paul is trying to make an immigration reform so it can be easier to come here legally and not having to cross the border illegally and having all these deaths…
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The point being missed is: you can’t have it both ways; either the borders ARE secured and American employers only hire from a legal workforce, OR the borders remain porous and American employers hire “whoever they want”. A rational policy on immigration MUST address every element of one agenda or the other.
RP says that, “A nation without borders is no nation at all”, but by not addressing the hiring of undocumented workers he implies that, “A nation with porous borders is good for business”. The inevitable result is an economic vs security paradox, where American employers expect border security to safely operate their businesses AND border porosity to supply undocumented workers.
Mix in the increased political pressure to allow “homeland security” to respond to border porosity, and the snake begin to swallow its tail.
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1. we bring our troops back.
2. we help the countries on our continent first
3. Immigration slows because people have the same opportunities
5. we all work together to help other countries rebeling against their corrupted county and stop foreign attacks against us.
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I agree with points 1 & 3, not 2, am curious what happened to 4, and respectfully suggest we begin with point 5 by rebelling against the corrupt business practices of our own country first, before choosing sides elsewhere.
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sorry my mistake. I was typing fast. I do agree with you about fixing our country’s businesses first. Though with help from returning soliders we can put an end to corruption faster because its not just civilians but also men and women who fought for our rights. and for i think 4 will be
4. the goverment makes its own real money.
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type in The American Dream Film-Full Length in youtube so that 4 has some sense to it.
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Roger on #4, so we agree of 4 out of 5 of your points… not bad ;o)
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The real crime of illegal immigration is that not all the participants are punished; just the ones who cross the border. American employers who hire undocumented workers are accessories to the crime of illegal immigration, and any “reform” that allows them to act with impunity is just a political red herring.
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My 2 point plan for ending illegal immigration prior to the election:
1) Immediately require all American employers and landlords to obtain documentation of legal residency (according to current citizenship and immigration laws) prior to hiring or renting to ANYONE.
2) Deny issuing or renewing business licenses to all American employers and landlords who cannot provide records of their employees and tenants. Deliver criminal penalties to those who are found guilty of abetting illegal immigration.
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Wow even your name says everything about you. You are basically evil. Well I am on the side of the people. For the people who work hard and try to survive. People come to this country in a search for survival. Seen that u r evil I can only assume you want the opposite of what Christians have tried to teach. Those hiring illegals are only trying to help other and them selfs. Why don’t you complain to those that that take their businesses overseas and make more money over there than here and giving some of their profit to people that don’t even live here which means all thatoneynour country just lost, rather that employing people here and leaving the money in circulation here in the states.
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Your argument from intimidation aside,
Whose people are you on the side of? Those who obey law or those who break it??
Please explain how enticing someone to break the law actually helps the person who is caught and deported? Who actually benefits?? The employer, or the “people who work hard and try to survive”???
If it’s correct for American employers to hire undocumented workers, why is it incorrect for undocumented workers to cross our borders for jobs? How exactly does tightening border security enhance “employing people (undocumented workers) here and leaving the(ir) money in circulation here in the states??”
Is it “evil” to consider holding every participant of an illegal crime accountable for their actions? Is it morally “good” to entice and profit from an impoverished people (who assume all the risk), in order to gain a competitive advantage over American employers who obey the law??
Any thoughts here??
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LOL how many times have you been speeding on freeways. lol How many people speed on freeways. Your arguments is like put people to jail for breaking the law (they could’ve killed someone) lol. Anyhow its our constitution right to get it laws changed. That’s why we have ammendments (bill of rights are ultimate authority you can never take that away from someone.) Anyhow laws get changed when people break them as they no longer suit fit.
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I’m in the side of people how want to work hard so they can survive. Everyone breaks laws. Most only break one which was coming here. But most come with good intension. I think most don’t even come for the welfare. It’s the states fault for giving in it out. But at the same time they are trying to help people no matter what race. I can see people’s point about not giving them welfare and I agree only because they are not citizens. But I also see the states point of view. They are trying to help someone. Illegals need it more than those committing fraud. Why don’t u guys go and complain about them. Anyways. To answer your questions as many as I can. I’m in my phone so it is hard going up and down. But both the employer will benifits because he will pay lower wages and the employee will get money. They are not taking jobs away they create jobs. Since when is it a job to stand in the corner asking for a job. Or people selling some delicious juicy oranges. Those jobs where created by them. They are not taking teaches jobs or secretaries or doctors jobs. Think about it. Businesses are going out of business and they layoff people. Now those people are mad because illegals still have a job and now they are complaining that they don’t have a job. Well they should be in that corner or home depot then and stop complaining. Illegals make their money and most of it ( cause for one they only make a little bit of money) they have to spend on food on transportation and rent. So it goes back into circulation. There are thousands of americans that commit fraud and tax fraud and they work the system as well. We shouldn’t punish humans for working hard for their money.
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@ LOL,
Law is changed according to a legal process, not an illegal one. If you are implying that employing undocumented workers is an act of civil disobedience intended to challenge an unjust system, then why aren’t these benevolent employers taking their case to the courts? No, it isn’t justice they are seeking, but only to profit as the owners of sweatshops and slums, leaving their desperate employees and tenants to suffer all the risk and none of the benefits of citizenship.
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We agree on the symptoms, SoCalAmerican, but not the cause or the cure…
“There are thousands of americans that commit fraud and tax fraud and they work the system as well.” ~ SoCalAmerican
I agree; These are the employers of undocumented workers who avoid paying the wages and taxes they are required to according to the terms of their license to do business.
“But both the employer will benifits because he will pay lower wages and the employee will get money. They are not taking jobs away they create jobs.” ~ SoCalAmerican
Here you are wrong. Both the employer of undocumented workers and the undocumented workers are operating illegally, i.e. neither has the right to contract for illegal services. They are operating a “black market”, and those jobs and services very definitely undermine legitimate business practices by placing them at a competitive disadvantage.
The economic practice of relying on illegal immigration to conduct business is no different than any other practice of criminality. So long as criminals are allowed to act with impunity, the only ones who profit are the criminals.
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I agree with you that these companies are not complying with the terms of their license but what I’m arguing it that they should be allowed to hire anyone they please no matter if they are illegal or not with out any consequences on that part.
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“… I’m arguing it that they should be allowed to hire anyone they please no matter if they are illegal or not with out any consequences…” ~ SoCalAmerican
Border-Crossing Deaths Have Doubled Since 1995
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d06770.pdf
There are consequences for every action. Is the “freedom” to hire undocumented workers worth the hundreds of lives lost each year trying to cross the desert?
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I don’t get what that has to do with hiring illegals. They cross because they will not survive in their country so they are taking a chance on crossing so they CAN have a change at life.
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I just switched my vote to Ron Paul. Living in a border city is hell on wheels for citizens… even our language is changing. I challenge all who are cheerfully in favor of giving our Nation away to non-English speaking foreigners who sneak in here, grab our jobs, break our laws, and have as many babies as possible because they MISTAKENLY think the babies are citizens here and so are entitled to all “entitlements” … at the least, you should do a heck of a lot more research.
Babies are the citizens of their parents until they reach majority. The babies are NOT a free ride for their illegal parent(s). They are not even a free ride for themselves. They are minors subject to the responsibility (and citizenship) of their parent(s).
Ergo, they are NOT eligible even for AFDC let alone education et al. Look at what happens to Americans abroad. They have to pay for their youngsters to go to schools… As for language of the classes they may take? They do not accommodate American English as we accommodate the all and only Spanish-spoken classes here in some of the liberal states. I am a school teacher in English; over 20 years in one of those states. It’s a joke.
Mr. Paul, please have your staff read existing Immigration and Citizenship law. It’s tricky but it is, none the less, clearly there. Understanding word usage here in the United States should not be that difficult. It impeaches any attempt to say babies born here of illegal parents makes him/herself a citizen and all entitlements to go along with that. This impeachment prevails unless there was a very quiet revision last fall that I don’t know about. Internet updating is vital on this controversy.
btw, I cannot understand this nonsense about “racial profiling.” Aside from the fact that the word “race” has no substantive meaning as originally utilized over 200 years ago, it appears that every citizen in the United States is, via census reports, today born from mixed ancestral forebears.
There is a profile which CAN be used by US Federal Government, however, which certainly cannot be challenged as discriminatory, and it is very easy: to start the application for Naturalization, the ability to read, write, and speak English is required.
If anyone under suspicion of breaking an unrelated law cannot understand nor speak English.. forget the translator. If they cannot show a legal visa… ship him/her/and their dependent family out. Forget how long they have lived here. That should not be an excuse. Even if old laws prevailed at the time, anyone committing an unrelated crime must have total investigation.
Just plopping here doesn’t make anyone a citizen from another country without Naturalization. Anyone who commits/convicted of a crime and is not a citizen of the United States is o.u.t. out.
Mr. Paul, your position on getting rid of the illegal alien population has changed my vote to you… and I intend to tell hundreds of others why. I am in some discussions and debates on that subject and the really large numbers who are feeling the same way surprised me.
Very good luck to you.
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You are a disgrace to this country and the system. You say you ate a teacher? What kind of teacher are to to deny and child an education. Out of everyone you schools know how much as education is important. You denying an education to a child is like taking away a good future to that child. Your job is to educate these children. The more children there is the more jobs there should be for children. It’s common sense. You should know this you should be educated. The jobs of teachers are being lost because of the government not cause of illegal immigrants. Think about it. California spends more money in prisons than in educations. If we have people like you in education it is no wonder we are in this situation. But you r right if they are going to be learning here they need to Learn it in English. People if I are going to be naive don’t even mention you are a teacher.
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Funny you failed to mention how your employer and you are contributing to your social security for your family or yourself? If all you use your wages for is daily upkeep then your selfish. We, american taxpayers, pay our federal and state taxes to keep our roads in check, create ID’s, keep violent offenders off the streets, and pay for food stamps and housing for those who are poor. If you only pay for yourself then you are not contributing to our society.
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What are you taking about???
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disgusting.. Racial profiling.. see what it leads to.. even if they american children. How many US soldiers do you think do not speak English. They have remedial just for them and not just Spanish . I bet you didn’t even know that the US has territories and they can enlist.
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disgusting.. Racial profiling.. see what it leads to.. even if they american children. How many US soldiers do you think do not speak English. They have remedial just for them and not just Spanish . I bet you didn’t even know that the US has territories and they can enlist. You should self report and get fired. Disgusting Denying an innocent American child his rightful importunity. People like you is because we have black people on welfare. I hope your happy.
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I agree with Ron Paul on pretty much everything except for this. This is insane statism and completely anti-libertarian.
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To the RM person talking about Mexico and how your family was there, you almost got me for a second.. Until you spelled dissappointed wrong in a sentence talking about education. Irony.
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Denying that kids born in U.S. soil are citizens is retarded. Sorry Ron Paul, you are awesome in everything else, but these policies are ridiculous.
Also trying to stop legal immigration is anti-libertarian and it perpetuates a mindset that will block prosperity for this country.
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Illegal immigration is a problem, but because we made it a problem. We only discuss the Hispanics because of the over-whelming numbers that entered our country illegally and worked the system for welfare, education and free healthcare. Our schools are over-crowded, we serve them breakfast and lunch, and have a no-ask, no-tell policy (no longer do we use SS# for students, but issue random #, not to “offend them”). Sure they take jobs, don’t pay into the system, and obviously agree with your Pro-Life because we have made it profitable in this country of automatic citizenship to those born here. I worked in El Paso, and women would literally crawl over the borders to have their babies in the US. Legal immigration works, (been there, done that, my ex was Greek) but is so expensive, backlogged and time-consuming, illegal is easier and more profitable. I have to have insurance, but they don’t. In 1986, 1 in 4 patients in the ER had insuarance…..we knew there was a problem then, WHY DOES EVERYTHING IN GOVERNMENT TAKE 20+ YEARS TO CATCH UP. We OVERWHELMINGLY (1986) voted English only, did the government listen…NO. 20+ years later, we have a problem. Everything passed by our government takes 20 years, we don’t have that time any more.
NO: automatic citizenship, welfare, food stamps. Did you know that Florida spent over 3 million dollars on Viagra for prisoners? Our priorities are really out of control. Legalize marijuana.
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One think that I notice first is that they take jobs away. What jobs do they take. I never been to a illegal immigrant doctor. I was neve taught or seen an illegal teacher. All these jobs that require at least a college degree have dropped and they are not being taken by illegals so what jobs are you taking about??? A few states have granted welfare for illegal immigrants. Ok they probably shouldn’t get anything they come here to work so they should work. But you shouldn’t deny anyone an education or healthcare. Are you that evil that you dont care about a human beings health or education. They could have a contagious desease and you don’t want to help them stop that. Just think about it.
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Your right about healthcare. Tell your employer that you want healthcare. He or she will probably fire you.
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Hell yea you r right!!! at my job they won’t even give you full time in order for them not to have to pay for your healthcare. I did over 40 hours a few times and got written up for it. One more time am ill get fired
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As a Mexican I support Ron Paul’s immigration approach.
The Mexican government has a huge and long overdue debt with its people. Mexican naturals should remain in México and this lazy Mexican government should STOP making a business out of sending millions of poor people to the USA and else were.
STOP the Mexican government from spelling poor people and making a huge profitable business out of their stupidity.
A strong immigration policy would deter our nationals to take on our neighbors’ country. GO RON PAUL !!! Real Mexicans who live in México SUPPORT YOU !!!
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I do not agree with the Ron Paul stand on immigration reform. I can spell out point by point why, but I believe that in 4 years the new voters will explain for me with their votes.In 4 years, the new 18 year olds will vote and they will change the face of immigration reform. They will be Mexican, Chinese, Nigerian, and other countries of cultural heritage. They will vote and they will change the face of immigration reform and the face of America. Each 4 years after that, more changes will occur.
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Your argument extends backwards as well as forwards, and the history of immigration to this country doesn’t bode well for the future while economics continue drive the policy. American business is, and has always been, addicted to having a cheap and disposable labor force.
This is demonstrated every 4 years by voting for reforms that continue to allow employers of illegals to operate with impunity. Not 1 of RP’s 6 points addresses this because cheap groceries trump secure borders with voters, and having access to illegals saves businesses the cost of relocating to where cheap labor is.
It’s time to stop punishing illegals for supplying the demand for cheap labor, and start demanding punishment of those who illegally profit by dangling the carrot of labor with impunity.
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My mom and dad came over (illegal) from Mexico in the 70′s. Me and my two siblings all have college degrees and have never been on welfare. In fact we all took out student loans and did not get free tuition. I am sure there are many Americans like me in this country and they are dissapointed by the lack of education in some of these comments. I like most of Ron Paul’s positions but he loses my vote with his position on immigration. Maybe that’s why he is at the bottom of the republican party polls…..
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Of course, you do not like his policies as they are against what you consider to be right, just and normal. Well I am sorry but having college degrees does not justify your parents committing a crime. While your actions are honorable your parents were not.
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We know it’s a crime but look at what good came out of it. They committed that crime to come here to create something good. So instead of trying to punish them and create tension why not help the situation by passing a dream act or a amnesty for those who work hard and are working hard to create something good. Besides who are you to kill someone’s dreams who are you to tell them they can’t have an opportunity to have a great job and an education?
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what good came out of it??? So…the end justifies the means? Come on….we all know that with no changes these people would never pursue legal citizenship. Which only encourages other’s to break our laws…..and so on and so on
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Did you not read RMs post that his or her siblings and him or her self got college degree and they are not a burden on society. His parents are hard working people. I’m sure that’s what they are looking for a chance to be citizens. And Ron Paul and Obama both want to make easier immigration reforms.
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I can appreciate where you’re coming from, but the immigration laws also have alot to do with national defense. I think that he points to the need for a simpler, more intuitive immigration process. If it wasn’t so difficult to immigrate legally, people would be more likely to do it legally. But there is more at stake here… Don’t throw away the chance to bring our troops home because of something like this. The only thing Ron Paul could immediately do is bring our troops home. This immigration issue is something that would be worked on and considered in congress. Ron Paul WILL bring our troops home, and save hundreds of thousands of lives worldwide. THIS is the issue. Immigration policy that may never even come to pass pales in comparison to the issue of war. We are headed for disaster, and he is the only chance we have of saving our country.
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Well the terrorist came in legally. They didn’t even come through the border illegally. But I understand that it is for our nations defence. That’s why they should have the border and airports on lock. Obama is already started to bring troops back. And why are we headed to disaster and how is Ron the only one that can save our country. I agree with Ron on some issues but Obama is doing a good job considering how f*** ked up bush left this country.
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Obama is an extension of Bush. If anything, he has been MORE aggressive with our military. If you think Obama is doing a good job, you’re delusional. If Ron Paul isn’t elected, I want you to remember saying this nonsense when we are in WW3, and you’re getting drafted.
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I was not aware if his aggressiveness but I mean at least he was able to kill bin laden. Well what is he doing wrong??? Give me an insight. On what you know. It seems u know something I don’t. I honestly just saying from what the media shows which I know most of it is to hide the truth. But it will be great u can tell me why do u think there will be ww3???
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He cut military budget. Leading to alot of soldier getting kicked out to find out that there are no jobs for them. (bad when they have family)
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Will you be voting?
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Yes I will
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You almost had me for a second.. Until you spelled disappointed wrong in a sentence talking about lack of education. Irony.
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That your mom and dad entered this country illegally is more forgivable than the actions of US citizens and businesses that enticed them here with jobs. Your parents took all the risks and hardships, and had they been discovered and deported, their employers could continue to act with impunity.
The real crime of illegal immigration is that not all the participants are punished.
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So you want to take our power to hire anyone we like??? That’s taking our freedom away that would be against our bill of rights.
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Please identify where aiding and abetting illegal immigration is a “freedom” protected by the Bill of Rights?
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It has already been demonstrated that prohibition of jobs to illegals deters illegal immigration. Until RP includes some provision to prohibit US citizens and companies from dangling the carrot of jobs to illegals, the remaining 6 points are political red herrings.
You can’t have it both ways… either welcome illegals to US jobs (amnesty, citizenship, welfare), or prohibit US jobs to illegals.
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Definitely number 6 is fucked up. If someone was born in U.S., he or she is a U.S. citizen, there is no other way around that fact. It is completely ridiculous to sugest that it is doubful that someone is a citizen when he was actually born on U.S. soil. That’s like saying that it is uncertain than more than 90% of the people living in this country may or may not be actual Americans.
I love Ron Paul, but that proposal is utterly insane. Ron Paul is known for being a reason oriented person, it really surprises me he is proposing this shit.
By the way, about 7, the Heritage Founadation is fucked up too. Their mindset is that of misery. Amerca will never prosper with the kind of mindsets of such shitty organization.
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@Devils Advocate Flawed? I guess you’re entitled to your opinion, but don’t state it as though it’s fact. The farms and factories in states that are cracking down are unable to stay open, some because of lack or workers, others because they can’t afford to pay more. Illegal workers artificially decrease wages, which helps keep inflation in check. Illegals aren’t negatively impacting the economy, the Fed and big banks are.
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I’ve more to say on this, but every time this site format changes all the guest comments are deleted, and when it returns all these comments disappear
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I’ll check back tomorrow.
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OK, I guess we’re stuck with this format for a bit…
So, if I understand your logic, instead of going after the companies and individuals who entice illegals to cross the border for jobs they shouldn’t get (as I propose, and as has been proven to deter illegal immigration), you believe it’s preferable to encourage slum lords and sweat shops to continue to entice illegals to our country because it keeps inflation in check.
I suppose allowing the drug cartels to operate with impunity would help lower the cost of prescription drugs too… good point; but terrible policy.
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If you can’t pay American citizens a living wage then you do not need to be in buniness.
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A real issue you might not know about.
http://www.sierraclub.org/committees/cac/water/ppt/Sierra_Web_4-1-04.pdf
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Then there’s the decision about fluoride
http://www.fluoridealert.org/50-reasons.htm
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@EvivE Oh yes Flouride is a horrible poison if not administered correctly. There is a lady on youtube.com that posted what fluoride poisoning did to her horses. I do not agree with Fluoride at all.
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@cc0623 It scares me as well
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@EvivE Fluoride is not the only poison our govt advocates. The FDA and medical community is right alongside the US Govt. when it comes to poising people. Have you ever wondered why you see a TV ad for a great new drug that can cure your symptoms (but not the disease) and then the disclaimer comes on stating that it may cause heart attack or stroke, or any number of other symptoms and ailments.
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@cc0623 Have you ever realized that psychiatrist don’t ever do medical (scientic tests) . They are just subjective of what patients tell them. Lol
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@EvivE Have you ever realized that pretty much every kid that is strung out on sugar is diagnosed ADHD. If a doctor says it so then it must be so and if a parent does not agree and does not follow the doctors orders for the medical care of their child then they can be arrested and their child taken from them on grounds of child endangerment.
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@cc0623 Only in America. I blame ADHD on bad teachers that are lazy and have tenure. Those same children couldve been gifted not realizing that every child has different learning styles ie hearing touch and sight. Then when they child falls behind because they just passed them . They say the child is slow in learning.
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Yeah, all of those people that are going to be KILLED in their “home” should just stay there and wait until they get approved, right? And all of those people that were brought here as children that work hard, go to school, and pay taxes should be sent to a country that they aren’t familiar with? People that were brought here when they were three days old, that don’t speak any Spanish, have no family in their “home” should be sent back to a country where they cannot function? You people cannot see past the idea of “all illegals are freeloading scumbags”, the vast majority of them came seeking asylum from their country, but we’re too inconsiderate to show them any sympathy.
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Minimum wage would have to be removed. We need a slave class. lol
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But I have started to belief that inorder to regain our economy we need to force our education standards nationwide. We need to fire teacher that are on tenure. As long as they know they cant get fired they teach our children crap. I would even consider forcing associates degree on every child graduation or join the military since there’s hardly any jobs even after they graduate. ( Many countries force mandatory serving http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription ) We need to supersede other nations in education. At least catch up to them. Parents need to get involved in their education and moral ethics even spiritual. Every child needs the same opportunity as they are innocent. We need engineers and scientist to remain innovative. Instead of seeing all these corporations outsourcing foreign nations.
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@EvivE we already have it. its called anyone who is not wealthy and in power.. lol
love your posts your dead on track
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Thanks
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Not just legal immigrants but Americans.
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You are correct please excuse me.
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Let’s revisit this issue from a different perspective….
Illegal immigration is a symptom of a major problem. The United States is trying to deal with the symptom because the problem was created by foreign countries and the problem can only be resolved by that foreign country. Because foreign countries do not endeavor to provide a safe and healthy environment for its citizens to prosper the foreign nationals are forcing themselves onto other nations (The US in particular) as opposed to dealing with their own POS Nation. Now, nowhere does it state that ANY nation has the responsibility to take care of these fleeing foreign nationals, let alone the United States.
The illegal aliens are making a huge ASSumption that if they squat in a foreign nation and call it their home then they will be accepted as a citizen of that nation and that nation should accept responsibility for the care, wellbeing, education and general success of the illegal alien inasmuch as the nation would one of its own citizens.
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@cc0623 Well you should know that Mexico has a no weapons tolerance nationwide. Cartels were created by American Drug addiction. ( This same people might be on welfare as there is no drug test to receive it ) Part of recent drug war was because California legalized Marijuana for their state cutting of supply for one of the 2 main cartels so now they are trying to take over the other region to recoup. Unfortunately Corruption is extremely high. There has been so many deaths of famous people standing up against them. There’s been so many Public officials that have been decapitated only for doing the right thing. Even news reporters. Was is even sad is how they get their family put on death sentence for serving their people. There’s been even american officials also put to rest. http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/06/20/us.fast.and.furious/index.html
This war is nasty its spewing over American borders. Shooting in American Territory and many Americans are not even aware of it. Shows the complacency we’ve grown into.
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@EvivE I am very aware of fast and furious and so are all the people I know that politically active. I suggested to I_American in a previous post a way for Mexican Nationals to gain control of Mexico again. He seemed to back away from the subject after that because I do not think he is interested in helping the Mexican Nationals as much as he is helping the illegal immigrants in the US. Apparantly the illegal aliens are under the delusion that just because they assume the role of a citizen they should be called a citizen or be accepted and allowed to become a citizen. And, if the invaded nation does not accept this forced and coerced responsibility then they shall be known as racist haters and inhumane. Yet, the illegal immigrant does not call their own country inhumane for the treatment they received at the hand of their own govt. and fellow citizens.
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@EvivE Continued…
So now you are saying that the fault lies solely with United States? Are the US Citizens the only people with a drug addiction? Do you not think Mexican Nationals do not use drugs? Do you think South American Nations do not use drugs? Do you think it is Americas fault that Mexican nationals enslaves South Americans and rape them and kill them for attempting to cross over into America? Do you think it is America’s fault that Mexico’s children and young women are kidnapped and forced into prostitution? Do you think it is America fault that the cartels are moving into US Territory to expand their business of the slave trade and extortion?
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@EvivE Continued…
So now you are saying that the fault lies solely with United States? Are the US Citizens the only people with a drug addiction? Do you not think Mexican Nationals do not use drugs? Do you think South American Nations do not use drugs? Do you think it is Americas fault that Mexican nationals enslaves South Americans and rape them and kill them for attempting to cross over into America? Do you think it is America’s fault that Mexico’s children and young women are kidnapped and forced into prostitution? Do you think it is America fault that the cartels are moving into US Territory to expand their business of the slave trade and extortion?
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@cc0623 Fault lies in corruption in both Governments. Education standards are not the same. In america minorities (especially black )were knowingly given horrible education some even planted drugs or beaten. They knew that either A they would be killed or jailed. Even if they got through they would never be at the same high school level. Slavery continues in other forms mainly called debt. Its needed for corporations. You need to look at the majority Hispanics actually have a very strong faith. Even Christmas is not the same. They have very strong faith due to the hope they carry. Which carries any human very far. Business created slavery. Many corporations go to other countries and exploit them. Creating a monopoly never allowing to truly grow. Venezuela was until recently they had a revolution. Bolivia as well had a revolution when nestle tried to privatize water. Squandering every company by creating what we fear most in the US called monopoly.
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@cc0623 I would also ask why would any person get involved with drug dealers. Especially the cartels. They are extremely dangerous. I would want to point out the flawless in that other statement. How can a very poor person that barely has the means to feed his own family afford to buy drugs.
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@cc0623
Ron Paul’s idea on state’s having power over that would probably make alot of cartels go bankrupt.
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@cc0623@EvivE
The only fault that America has is the failure to sedure our borders and protect its peoples. That IS the fault of our Government and thier duty.
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While I don’t agree with gps systems used to track law abiding us citizens maybe they should be used to track visitors to the US to ensure they leave when they are suppose too. Also, we should permit their vehicle to come to the US. Meaning we charge them a daily fee at the border based upon their visa. If they leave on time they don’t owe anymore permit fees, if they leave early they get a refund, if they overstay the are charge the overage and it’s place in there visa record failure to leave fee charged. We could make money off this failure to leave fee.
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@EvivE Well you tell that to Obama, and all the successful black politicians and see what they have to say. Every child in America has the right to a free education even the illegal immigrants children. It does not cost to go to the public library and take out a book, or go online and learn about our world and everything it entails. A person is only as limited as they want to be.
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@EvivE People do not need to be in debt. They choose to be in debt. I
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@cc0623 That might explain why our dollar might be getting weaker and people demanding higher wages for non skilled jobs
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@EvivE Really, you are very naive. The people that are the poorest in this country are especially susceptible to drug use. People prostitute their children, their own body for drugs. They sell drugs to make a buck and so they can get high. Please educate yourself on the victims of drug addiction and you will see what I am saying.
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@cc0623 It’s a worldwide. No doubt about it. never denied that. But religion is very high and families have high morals. That’s why you see them fighting for their families. They aren’t animals. I don’t believe drug addicts have welfare like they have here in America.
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@EvivE No they have daughters. Do you realize that the Asians and Muslims sell their daughter’s into marriage and sexual slavery. Do you realize the the sex slave trade is doing big business and it is not just the female sex it is young boys as well that are being sold. If an addict has to resort to prostitution for their next fix I can guarantee they will do it.
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@cc0623 Although its never justification I would believe they do it to feed their families. Not for fixes . Second eventually alot of the same people OD and end up killing themselves or getting killed for not paying for their fixes.
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@cc0623@EvivE NOT all asians or muslims do this.
Mexicans americans blacks etc have been doing this for centuries.
Is it right no.
Some are taken & forced by others such as kidnapped etc.
Some families also take and sell there child to someone.
Parents that raise there child to believe in finding a rich man or woman to spend there life with, is also considered to be selling there child to someone for the financial support & no worries to support there child again. In hope to better themselves. (May not have said this properly but hopefully your smart enough to understand the meaning behind it)
I take your comment very prejudice & against all those you mention.
I am white My wife is filipina Which is not asian but islander & Spainish.
& some families in philippines do sell there kids for earning money to support the family. I will not deny that. BUT NOT ALL SUCH NATIONALITIES DO THOSE THINGS. Only few & Specific People do.
STOP DISCRIMINATING
Flouride is bad & I am against it. As am I against most things the government allows to be put in our foods.
I was not going to ever reply again to these posts until I seen your discrimination!
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@DND707@cc0623@EvivE Oh please! You just stated exactly what i had to say, I merely pointed out just two of the factions instead of all of them or more than just two. I really do not care what you are offended by when you take a comment out of context to make yourself look like you had something intelligent to say. Please try and produce and original thought , so we can debate it.
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@cc0623
YOU KNOW WHAT CC YOU LIAR
YOU WERE PREJUDICE STATING WHAT YOU STATED THE WAY YOU STATED IT.
FUCK ALL YOU PREJUDICE PEOPLE
FUCK THIS CONVO I AM DONE ‘
LET OBAMA WIN I DONT CARE NOMORE
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Don’t bother replying to me report me I am unsubscribing to this prejudice website
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@SCREW U PREJUDICE PEOPLE@cc0623 I am glad You are going you have some serious mental issues.
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@EvivE@cc0623
No it shows the failure of our Government to protect our borders and its peoples.
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@firefox52@EvivE What do you suppose we do about it? Who is being hurt by illegal immigration? Since the US Govt. does not protect its borders how do you propose to stop the invasion of illegals into the US?
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@cc0623 Yeah, all of those people that are going to be KILLED in their “home” should just stay there and wait until they get approved, right? And all of those people that were brought here as children that work hard, go to school, and pay taxes should be sent to a country that they aren’t familiar with? People that were brought here when they were three days old, that don’t speak any Spanish, have no family in their “home” should be sent back to a country where they cannot function? You people cannot see past the idea of “all illegals are freeloading scumbags”, the vast majority of them came seeking asylum from their country, but we’re too inconsiderate to show them any sympathy.
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@ZackMaitland @cc0623 You are right most of these people don’t have a place to go but some people like CC can’t see that she is naive and she thinks taking over a country is easy. Most of these people are uneducated and have no idea what to do.. Out of everyone she should know since she is part native American and she should know the Indians lost their land because there lack of weapons. I would not be going to fight with kitchen knifes when they have machine guns. Most drugs that are muggled in it is US fault because they allow it. Like I said instead of worrying about another country they should worry about this country and bring our troops home.. Don’t you think it would have been a better idea to get this government and mexicos government to work together and stop these cartel drug dealers instead of going over seas and find all the weapons of mass destruction. Haha wow. I still laugh at it. And to think people still voted for him for another term haha. He doubled our debt that second term.
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@Americanrev@ZackMaitland Have you ever heard the saying the pen is mightier than the sword? It would be very easy for the Mexican Nationals to petition the US President to help liberate them from the tyranny and injustice of the Mexican govt and cartels. Just like Libya did…..
But it is much easier for all these illegals to get on here and complain about the violence, corruption and lack humane treatment they received in Mexico and how it is their right to be a US Citizen since they live in the US now instead. No one here is going to kill them or god forbid make them leave.
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@cc0623@Americanrev The issue spreads farther than just Mexico, try the entirety of South America/Africa.
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@ZackMaitland@Americanrev Every Nationality and every race is represented in America by illegal immigrants. They come from all over the world to give birth to their children here, to seek a better life, and some to just take advantage of a situation. This country is being invaded to the tune of 10-20 MILLION illegal immigrants. But the largest percentage of the illegal population is represented by Mexican Nationals.
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@cc0623@ZackMaitland@Americanrev
Is that the true reason lol?
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@cc0623@ZackMaitland@Americanrev
For starters thats an opinion not even remotely true. Every race sticks to their own kind. Just about every city seems prosperous when they have them. Any race seems to segregate themselves in major cities. Thats why you see china towns. Second to that you mentioned that send money to build on what any american would call shacks. You can say those return to their families one day.
I’ll stick with more recent times. You will not believe the amount of those children that join the military. They actually fought for their freedom not just inherit. Just about every war you’ve had immigrants.
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@EvivE@ZackMaitland@Americanrev I like that word immigrant, it is a shame people have to put such an ugly word in front of it. But, there is a difference between immigrants and illegal immigrants. If you do not believe me then look it up in the dictionary.
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@cc0623@ZackMaitland@Americanrev
INS would need publish that statistic. How many were illegal at one point before coming legal.
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@cc0623@ZackMaitland@Americanrev Would probably force Immigration reforms if they did unfortunately.
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@ZackMaitland@cc0623
. It depends on ” who” is ” they”, to which group are you refering to? Please expand you statement . So that we can have some clarafication.
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@firefox52@cc0623 The group of people who are undocumented people living in America? Mexican, Columbian, Nigerian, Peruvian, everything. I hope that answers your question, but I’m not too sure
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@ZackMaitland When did the US become responsible for every living soul on this planet? Do you not think their govt. needs to be taken to task for what they have allowed to occur to the citizens of their country?
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@cc0623 It’s irrational to deport kids that are going to college and working hard to be functioning members of our society, why should we get rid of people that have potential to benefit us as a country? It’s incredibly easy for the US to fix the problem instead of creating more for other people, so why not just stop the issue ourselves?
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@ZackMaitland So answer me this question Zack and think on this real hard. I move into your house, I drive your car, I use your savings and take your job, I give birth to a couple of kids in your house and one day your realize it is no longer your house, your car, your bank account, or your job. What do you plan on doing about it?
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@cc0623 I don’t believe that’s a fair comparison at all, seeing as illegals still pay for their own things (for the very most part) and their own TAXES. It’d be more accurate to say that you were living in my backyard without my permission, which, if you were living in my neighbor’s house that might have killed you, would be fine with me.
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@ZackMaitland Really? Because that is exactly what they have done. The United States is your house Zack, it is your home and your country and the constitution was created for you to protect your home. Hundreds of thousand of men and women have died so you can live in this country they way we live. Without fear, with liberty and freedoms. And, it is okay that these people have come into your home, the home that is meant for your children and grandchildren and great-grandchildren? They will use the resources that were meant for your children and your future grand children. Do you think this country can sustain the population and all the children it has now in 40 years? Go to numbers USA and watch the gumball video and then you can determine if what these people are doing to the US Citizens is right, justified or fair.
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@cc0623 Living on “my” land so you can fucking survive is much different then freeloading off of me and my personal belongings. I have a hard time understand the idea that you would rather someone die then have them live in the same country as you.
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@ZackMaitland Every person in this world is born unto a nation. That Nation needs to provide a safe haven, education, and and all the things in this day and age that a human being needs to survive. if the citizens of that nation see that their govt is corrupt or not providing the opportunity for its citizens then the citizens need to rise up and take control of their Nation.
Look around at all the countries that are overthrowing their corrupt govts. because they are tired of the tyranny and oppression and tell me that it is okay for the illegals to flee to another country and abandon their fellow countrymen.
Can we take them all in Zack? Should we stop at these countless MILLIONS? Should we have stopped when Reagen granted Amnesty? Can we take in 50 Million or 100 Million? When does it end Zack? We cannot help all these people in this country. If we are going to help them then we need to help them in their country.
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@cc0623 @ZackMaitland Now you are thinking outside the box CC. CC I do agree that we can not allow more people in our country. And if the government sees that this was an issue they should have had the border on lock when the 9/11 happen. I almost sure the 9/11 was a set up. But like you said the people had to stand up to the government and say wait a minute what is going in here and revel on the war that cost us trillions of dollars and instead secure our airports and borders. But the government had scared us and made us believe that the middle east was the enemy. Any ways I’m going out the topic. But we been had to secure our borders and if we don’t then we do need to help out other countries so they can have the same opportunities and us but in their own country. People are scared to revel in other countries because from the police all the way to the president their is curruption. So almost the only way to win is by civil war and for that they need weapons and most dont have weapon and a leader that actually has a plan. So it is almost near impossible for people to stand up to the government.
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@cc0623 Good thing you erased that other post I was about to respond and it would have made your post sound so dumb haha
good thin you erased it
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@Americanrev@cc0623 I erased it because I double posted it. I am certainly not afraid of what you might have to say considering most everything you say is pathetic.
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@cc0623 Well almost everything you posted was the same thinks I had said you just said it in a different way. So I guess we are both saying the same pathetic things. 0_o
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Illegal aliens arguments:
US Citizens should be compassionate and just accept anyone that wish to come to the US. Answer: No they should not because the US has limited resources just as every country does.The illegals are not causing any harm so they should just be allowed to stay in the US. Answer: This has been proven to be a fallacious argument as it has been proven illegal immigrants not only bring a level of criminal behavior with them to the US but by their very actions have indeed committed a criminal act.Illegals would stay in their own country if they were treated well by their govt., but they just want to come to the US for a better life. Answer: They have the opportunity to change their govt. and bring about better policy and living conditions for their families they left behind, but the primary concern is not for what they left behind but what they can obtain from the US.
Does anyone else have any credible comments or arguments to make that are not based on emotion or general opinion? Please stick to the facts and let’s not bring this down to a personal level.
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I hope it wasnt a reply to my comment right???
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Illegal aliens arguments:
US Citizens should be compassionate and just accept anyone that wish to come to the US. Answer: No they should not because the US has limited resources just as every country does.The illegals are not causing any harm so they should just be allowed to stay in the US. Answer: This has been proven to be a fallacious argument as it has been proven illegal immigrants not only bring a level of criminal behavior with them to the US but by their very actions have indeed committed a criminal act.Illegals would stay in their own country if they were treated well by their govt., but they just want to come to the US for a better life. Answer: They have the opportunity to change their govt. and bring about better policy and living conditions for their families they left behind, but the primary concern is not for what they left behind but what they can obtain from the US.
Does anyone else have any credible comments or arguments to make that are not based on emotion or general opinion? Please stick to the facts and let’s not bring this down to a personal level.
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Illegal aliens arguments:
US Citizens should be compassionate and just accept anyone that wish to come to the US. Answer: No they should not because the US has limited resources just as every country does.The illegals are not causing any harm so they should just be allowed to stay in the US. Answer: This has been proven to be a fallacious argument as it has been proven illegal immigrants not only bring a level of criminal behavior with them to the US but by their very actions have indeed committed a criminal act.Illegals would stay in their own country if they were treated well by their govt., but they just want to come to the US for a better life. Answer: They have the opportunity to change their govt. and bring about better policy and living conditions for their families they left behind, but the primary concern is not for what they left behind but what they can obtain from the US.
Does anyone else have any credible comments or arguments to make that are not based on emotion or general opinion? Please stick to the facts and let’s not bring this down to a personal level.
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Illegal aliens arguments:
US Citizens should be compassionate and just accept anyone that wish to come to the US. Answer: No they should not because the US has limited resources just as every country does.The illegals are not causing any harm so they should just be allowed to stay in the US. Answer: This has been proven to be a fallacious argument as it has been proven illegal immigrants not only bring a level of criminal behavior with them to the US but by their very actions have indeed committed a criminal act.Illegals would stay in their own country if they were treated well by their govt., but they just want to come to the US for a better life. Answer: They have the opportunity to change their govt. and bring about better policy and living conditions for their families they left behind, but the primary concern is not for what they left behind but what they can obtain from the US.
Does anyone else have any credible comments or arguments to make that are not based on emotion or general opinion? Please stick to the facts and let’s not bring this down to a personal level.
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I wouln’t propose to say that ALL illegal immagrants are criminals BUT it has been proven time and time again that it people fall into the notion that it is “easier to steal it then work for it”. So, instaead of working to make things better at home, a large percentage will take what they see as the easy way out and come here illegally (immediatly breaking the law, and doing so on a daily basis so long as they don’t pursue legal citizenship) And, in at least some cases stealing/ using someone else’s SS number Hmmmmm, there’s 2 laws broken. But some would suggest that that is ok because they had kids who went to colledge etc etc…. I don’t know…I just don’t get it.
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