Illegal Immigration

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Illegal immigrants are a convenient scapegoat for our economic crisis. But with free markets and private property, the need for immigrant labor becomes obvious. Most immigrants, regardless of the color of their skin, are open to the ideals of liberty: private property, free markets, sound money, right to life, low taxes, less war, protection of civil liberties, and a foreign policy designed for peace.

Ron Paul proposed the following action steps for dealing with illegal immigration:

  1. Abolish the welfare state. The incentive to take a job at whatever wage available must prevail.
  2. Establish a generous visitor work program. Once we solve the economic crisis by introducing sound money, demand for domestic and immigrant labor will rise.
  3. Enforce the laws on the books with more border guards. Allow states and landowners to enforce the law and provide security assistance.
  4. Abolish birthright citizenship for children of illegal immigrants. [Current U.S. citizens will not be affected. Instead, babies born to illegals after a future cutoff date will no longer gain automatic U.S. citizenship. They will still have citizenship in their parents' home countries.]
  5. End all federal mandates on the states to provide free education and medical care for illegal immigrants.

3,520 responses to “Illegal Immigration”

  1. Fact Checker

    Here are some facts about the “what these presidents have in common post:

    http://www.searchforthefacts.com/2009/09/hoover-truman-and-eisenhower/

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  2. Coacha Q.

    Why is everyone so against illegal immigrants, but indifferent towards/silent about the big American corporations that drive them here?
    http://johnperkins.org/
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gptzlaG1OE&feature=related

    Why do you only cry about your own injustices? How can people expect to be treated fairly when they are unfair towards others? For this reason, I feel I’m giving up. White people just hate everyone else.

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    1. Charlie Kelsey

      Who would complain about illegal immigrants if there was not enormous welfare expense we pay for them? It’s economic sensibility not racial hatred! I want my money for my family not for the welfare that I pay for illegals thru taxes…my taxes
      should go to Americans if anyone. How is that too much to ask?!
      You want to blame corporations for creating jobs that get stolen? They are able to get the cheaper labor because it is illegal. You want to throw a blanket statement out about white people hating…you have no logic.

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      1. sean

        actually… Illegal immigrants pay billions of dollars of taxes that they don’t get a return for, and they take the jobs that we don’t want. ANY american can get a job over an illegal immigrant. I would be more happy to hire more typical male construction workers, but there just isn’t a high demand for those jobs.

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        1. sean

          American workers are more productive. It doesn’t do any good to hire cheap labor if it takes twice as long to get a job done. Trust me, we have been searching for QUALIFIED workers.

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      2. David Bernard Daniels

        Facsinating comment though

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  3. Jan

    To reduce the amount of financial assistance provided to the Government of Mexico in response to the illegal border crossings from Mexico into the United States, which serve to dissipate… (Introduced in Senate)

    S 91 IS

    111th CONGRESS

    1st Session

    S. 91

    To reduce the amount of financial assistance provided to the Government of Mexico in response to the illegal border crossings from Mexico into the United States, which serve to dissipate the political discontent with the higher unemployment rate within Mexico.

    IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

    January 6, 2009

    Mr. VITTER introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on Foreign Relations

    A BILL

    To reduce the amount of financial assistance provided to the Government of Mexico in response to the illegal border crossings from Mexico into the United States, which serve to dissipate the political discontent with the higher unemployment rate within Mexico.

    Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

    SECTION 1. BORDER CROSSING ACCOUNTABILITY.

    (a) Estimation of Annual Illegal Border Crossings- Not later than 30 days after the end of each fiscal year, the Secretary of State, in consultation with the Secretary of Homeland Security, shall estimate the number of illegal border crossings that occurred during such fiscal year along the southern land border of the United States.

    (b) Reduction of Foreign Assistance-

    (1) IN GENERAL- Except as provided under paragraph (2), the Secretary of State, shall proportionately reduce the amount of financial assistance provided to the Government of Mexico for each fiscal year by a total of $1,000 for each illegal border crossing from Mexico to the United States during the previous fiscal year.

    (2) EXCEPTION- Notwithstanding paragraph (1), the Secretary of State may decide not to reduce the amounts appropriated for the Government of Mexico from the International Military Education and Training Fund, the International Narcotics Control and Law Enforcement Fund, and the fund to carry out nonproliferation, anti-terrorism, demining, and related programs and activities.

    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c111:9:./temp/~c1114KQcgE::

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  4. kitty

    Charlie,

    I am sorry you do not know your history and can only bash other people for thinking differently than yourself. You know nothing about me, you assume that I am black or Hispanic, which would be incorrect. You bash me for being ignorant, yet you have obviously fallen for the history that school teaches, which is nothing more than propaganda with specific goals of keeping the population ignorant to promote consumerism. I disagree with the entire system of paying taxes for the government programs you believe me to be on. I do not want to pay taxes to support a system which rewards people for laziness. This problem goes much farther back than just our grandparents, find out about real history before you rant. I myself come from the illegal immigrants I spoke of, we invaded and forced our ideals upon the existing local population, without their consent, and then destroyed or came close to destroying many of their societies. In some cases we committed genocide. I do not condone the actions of my ancestors in this, but I do not hide from the reality of what they accomplished. Yes they worked hard, they did good things as well as bad, and just because we have chosen to ignore the bad parts, does not mean they never happened. If we work on making these people legal, then they will become citizens, subject to our laws, then we have no cause for complaint, and better recourse if they break them. I have met and spoken with many of these people, and in many cases, they are illegal because they were denied their requests for legality even though their families were here. Most of them work harder at jobs we would not want for less pay, and think it is better than where they came from. Many of our current laws restrict our rights as humans, and this is one of the many. I will not bash you for your opinion, because even though I disagree, I value your rights. Your anger is only useful if you are going to fight, insults and condemnation are much of the reason we are in this mess to begin with.

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  5. christine

    This is all a part of the destabilization process I believe the government is using to their ends of the NWO. If they divide, then we are not united in our humanity against the inhumane who are in high governmental positions right now, in every country…performing their work of tyranny. We have to start looking at ourselves as united in a cause to save our lives.

    There is a much bigger issue than all the individual ones our government has given us to deal with all at once to cause the chaos.

    This is a real attack on all of us wihtin our own country and worldwide. We are all soldiers now. Let’s unite as a force against tyranny. Do your research on the contaminated vaccine, please. There is a near blackout in the media, so it is up to us to share links and knowledge to those we love and care about, and people we don’t even know. I’ll probably never meet any of you face to face, but I’m sharing the info with you now.

    http://livingquests.com
    http://www.birdflu666.wordpress.com
    http://www.theflucase.com

    Join the discussion board to get worldwide input and info. This is happening globally.

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    1. christine

      Discussion board at http://www.theflucase.com

      Jane Bergermeister has file a case against the World Health Organization, Obama and others. We need to support her in her legal pursuit that is intended to help each one of us live.

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  6. Jan

    Everyone concentrates on the problems we’re having in this country lately: illegal immigration, hurricane recovery, alligators attacking people in Florida …

    Not me. I concentrate on solutions for the problems. It’s a win-win situation.

    + Dig a moat the length of the Mexican border.

    + Send the dirt to New Orleans to raise the level of the levies.

    + Put the Florida alligators in the moat along the Mexican border.

    Any other problems you would like for me to solve today ?

    »crosslinked«

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    1. sISSY sTEWART

      Hey where did you get that quote? I wrote that!!
      PLAGERISM!

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  7. Jan

    gust 20th, 2009 at 10:54 am

    Deportation

    What do these presidents have in common???—Surprised me!!!!

    What did Hoover, Truman, and Eisenhower have in common?

    Here is something that should be of great interest for you to pass around.
    I didn’t know of this until it was pointed out to me.

    Back during The Great Depression, President Herbert Hoover ordered the
    deportation of ALL illegal aliens in order to make jobs available to American
    citizens that desperately needed work..

    Harry Truman deported over two million Illegal’s after WWII to create jobs
    for returning veterans.

    And then again in 1954, President Dwight Eisenhower deported 13 million
    Mexican Nationals! The program was called ‘Operation Wetback’. It was
    done so WWII and Korean Veterans would have a better chance at jobs.
    It took 2 Years, but they deported them!

    Now…if they could deport the illegal’s back then – they could sure do it today?

    lf you have doubts about the veracity of this information, enter Operation
    Wetback into your favorite search engine and confirm it for yourself.

    Reminder: Don’t forget to pay your taxes…
    20 million Illegal Aliens are depending on you!

    http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/…..-coop.html

    There are now said to be 12 million to 20 million illegal aliens in the US. Of the Mexicans who live here, an estimated 85 percent are here illegally.
    Border Patrol vets offer tips on curbing illegal immigration

    One day in 1954, Border Patrol agent Walt Edwards picked up a newspaper in Big Spring, Texas, and saw some startling news. The government was launching an all-out drive to oust illegal aliens from the United States.

    The orders came straight from the top, where the new president, Dwight Eisenhower, had put a former West Point classmate, Gen. Joseph Swing, in charge of immigration enforcement.

    General Swing’s fast-moving campaign soon secured America’s borders – an accomplishment no other president has since equaled. Illegal migration had dropped 95 percent by the late 1950s.

    Several retired Border Patrol agents who took part in the 1950s effort, including Mr. Edwards, say much of what Swing did could be repeated today.

    “Some say we cannot send 12 million illegals now in the United States back where they came from. Of course we can!” Edwards says.

    Donald Coppock, who headed the Patrol from 1960 to 1973, says that if Swing and Ike were still running immigration enforcement, “they’d be on top of this in a minute.”

    William Chambers, another ’50s veteran, agrees. “They could do a pretty good job” sealing the border.

    Edwards says: “When we start enforcing the law, these various businesses are, on their own, going to replace their [illegal] workforce with a legal workforce.”

    While Congress debates building a fence on the border, these veterans say other actions should have higher priority.

    1. End the current practice of taking captured Mexican aliens to the border and releasing them. Instead, deport them deep into Mexico, where return to the US would be more costly.

    2. Crack down hard on employers who hire illegals. Without jobs, the aliens won’t come.

    3. End “catch and release” for non-Mexican aliens. It is common for illegal migrants not from Mexico to be set free after their arrest if they promise to appear later before a judge. Few show up.

    The Patrol veterans say enforcement could also be aided by a legalized guest- worker program that permits Mexicans to register in their country for temporary jobs in the US. Eisenhower’s team ran such a program. It permitted up to 400,000 Mexicans a year to enter the US for various agriculture jobs that lasted for 12 to 52 weeks.

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  8. itsjusbob

    Maybe we should just build a Walmart in Mexico.

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  9. Jan

    My Border Security is with God

    The Illuminati Tsunami is fast approaching and nearly at our doorsteps, but I still stand on dry ground for which my Lord has parted the sea for me to walk in……….my eyes are on the sparrow and my heart is with the Spirit of the Lord!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    forever Jan in Christ!

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  10. Anna

    All I care about regarding illegal immigration is that we don’t have any information about the people coming into our country! We need birth certificates, criminal records, we need to know these peoples’ medical histories, family, if we get information on them- it wouldn’t be a problem! But we have people bringing in illegal drugs, gangs, and illegal weapons! We need to be able to register the sex offenders coming in, or protect the immigrants from being threatened or treated wrongly. I assume they would never call the police if they have a problem due to fear of being deported! The U.S. isn’t a freaking theme park- it’s a NATION, a COUNTRY, and we need to protect it and it’s citizen’s first. I know some people are looking for a better life here in the U.S. and I’m all for that- but we really need to watch out that these illegal immigrants don’t get to act outside of the law or go unnoticed for their crimes due to us knowing NOTHING ABOUT THEM!

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  11. Will

    I am with Ron Paul on about 80% of the issues. Low taxes, audit the Fed, free trade, engage with foreign governments, reduce military spending, increase personal freedoms. But the immigration issue really hits home with me, and unfortunately here we are in 100% disagreement. Furthermore, this issue is critically important to me, as a native Texan.

    Ron, don’t you know that the only reason we have a flood of illegal immigration into this country is that NAFTA is 1-sided? In NAFTA, we explicitly forbid Mexico from subsidizing their farmers (which as free-traders we both agree is a good thing), but we explicitly allow the US to subsidize our own farmers (which to be fair we must both agree is a bad thing). If you’re so high on individual responsibility, don’t you think we should let our farmers (who are mostly huge corporations, by the way) stand on their own feet? Do they really need socialist government handouts? Well, if we stop subsidizing them, then Mexico’s farmers can go back to work — which they did just fine for hundreds of years, ending with the passage of NAFTA in the 1990s. Fair trade policy would mean a better Mexican economy, which would mean fewer immigrants (including illegals), and better relations with our neighboring country.

    Why do you instead promote poor relations with Mexico, a bad Mexican economy on our doorstep, and by proxy, unfair trade policies? That is inconsistent!

    Furthermore, why do you say engage with Iran and North Korea (which I totally agree with) but not Mexico? Can’t you see that is the epitome of hypocrisy?

    http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/article/282246/How-a-%22Very-Pessimistic%22-Ron-Paul-Would-Fix-the-Economy?tickers=^DJI,^GSPC,SPY,DIA,XLF,GS,AIG

    Your “No welfare for illegal aliens” idea is hilarious. It is based on a proven false premise — that illegals use more resources than they provide. The truth is the opposite — all research shows that illegals pay taxes but consume almost no government resources.

    I agree that we should reduce illegal immigration. Because I care about people: American citizens like myself, family and friends, who work so hard and make good decisions in order to succeed and also Mexican children who die in the middle of the desert because of a socialist-protectionist trade agreement that we made with their country.

    If you actually cared about illegal immigration (which you clearly don’t), you would try to solve it, rather than put together silly half-measures that “look” like immigration reform but under the covers are just useless propaganda. “Fences,” “no amnesty” — very cute, but show me a single example in the history of the Earth that anything like that has ever worked. Hmm, Berlin? Not so well. How about modern Israel? Hmm, failure too. Oh, what about Hadrian’s Wall for the Roman Empire? No, that collapsed.

    Seriously, read some history.

    What is so sad is that your approach to the “War on Drugs” is just the opposite. And there you are so right. Read a page from your own book and make an immigration policy that matches the brilliance of your drug policy.

    Shame on you.

    Please wake up and change your tune on immigration! If you do, you will find a lot more support from responsible, hard-working Americans!

    I look forward to the day when we can be in political alignment, because you “get” so many of the important things. Just not this one. Try harder.

    – Will

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  12. kat

    Must be nice to get free everything , when do i get free health care ? Just like the vietnam people coming over here years ago , they got new house , car , healthcare and the dirty devils ate my neighbors german shepard . American born have to live in tent cities on the street …. Shame on you people that are running this country !!!!

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  13. Jan

    The Bible is a history book about people of faith. The Old Testament is a type and foreshadow of the coming of Christ. The New Testament was written for Christ-like followers. (Many religions go strictly by the Old Testament with behavior laws, even lawyers study the Ten commandments and most of our laws of the land also punish/jail/imprison people for breaking those laws) Love your neighbor as yourself. Christ came to stop the “eye for and eye” laws of the Old Testament. You didn’t see Jesus going around and killing people nor judging them, or punishing them. He allows the person to judge themselves, ask for forgiveness, get forgiveness and await the Final Judgment Day, when the Father God will either see your name written in the Lamb’s Book of Life or it is not.
    Your other question on “seed” is a complicated issue. I believe in the sanctity of marriage for pleasure and for procreation. When sex happens outside of marriage, its possible that pregnancy can and probably will occur. Then what? Hide the seed by destroying the possible offspring or be responsible.
    Sex can be additive just like drugs,nicotine, drinking and gambling. I think they ought to teach “responsible sex”, to prevent abortion. And marriage should be the goal to prevent loneliness and to continue the human race. Loving each other should be the goal and getting through life’s problems with the person you love. Commitment should be the cement in a marriage.
    There is a $1,000 fine to destroy an Eagle Egg in the nest.
    How does that compare to a human life destroyed in the uterus?
    Insurance and Medicaid pay an abortionist big bucks to destroy potential human life. I think, if as much or more value would be placed on a babies life, and the two people who want their babies life destroyed, were to be fined $10,000 for every abortion….I think it would stop most abortions. I think head stones should be made and men and woman should be made to remember the child that they destroyed. A part of them died too, and there is no way to grieve that loss in our society. There is a wall in Washington D.C. for all those lost in a war….but the babies bodies that were torn apart have no name and have no grave and have no one remembering them, except the man and woman whose seed created them in the shadows of their minds or in their darkest dreams. Millions of our people are walking around with that guilt upon their souls, what does that do to a society of people? Jesus will forgive them……that is how much Grace the New Testament gives……but I think our nation would be better off if only in rare instances, did a woman have to have an abortion. It has only been 37 years since abortion was legalized in the USA. Take a look at that generation and our country and you can see how relationships have diminished, families have deteriorated, love turned to lust and hope lost to our youth for productive lives and committed marriages. I think there ought to be a National Holiday in remembrance of those who lost their lives in at the hands of an abortionist. And those men and woman who sacrificed their own souls and live with the guilt the shame and thought in having killed their own off spring. They need much love and need to ask for forgiveness from a God who is reaching out to them with open arms. When a government condones wrongdoing it does not omit what God thinks of it…because if God created us……it saddens him to loose even one of his own.
    The Bible yes is a book that teaches ways to preserve the human life on this earth. To treat one another respect,with love, for a life that will bring harmony and peace upon this earth for generation after generation. We should be celebrating life. Celebration does not need to mean partying and getting drunk and getting laid…..!!!! Be thankful for life, and for love in your heart toward another human being that will not encourage more selfishness but more love and laughter and joy of being a father, a mother, a child, a baby.
    Our minds, our lives should be preserved not destroyed. We should protect what we see, hear and do in our lives so that we bring only those things that are good for life into our life.

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    1. Tyler

      Why did you focus that whole comment on abortion?
      In all honesty, I dont really care at all about abortion.As long as it’s first trimester do what ever you want I dont care.
      I have no idea how we got from talking about muslims to talking about killin babies.

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  14. Jan

    Tyler….MUSLIMS kill themselves to get to heaven faster….

    Believer’s in Christ,don’t believe in suicide! “Thou shalt not Kill”, once your dead you can’t ask for forgiveness and we don’t believe in pergatory either.

    Was Nietzsche into brainwashing? Sounds like it…I’m a thinker so that doesn’t work for me ….

    Neitasche….was he into brainwashing? Sounds like a motive ….to steer people away from being a free thinker..or a thinker at all….

    Grace is much different than legalism…
    We don’t believe in an eye for an eye or a tooth for a tooth either.

    Sad, that that Abortionist doctor was killed for killing!
    Whoever did that was not very Christan, cuz there again “eye for a eye” thing was happening…Two wrongs don’t make a right…..

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    1. Tyler

      Friedrich Nietzsche also said:”The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.”

      Yeah he sure does think that one shouldnt be a free thinker at all…(sarcasm)

      Dont be so quick to call abortion murder(i’m caught in between the issue so dont call me pro-life or pro-choice) becuase as a society we must decide what constitutes life. Is a fetus capable of thought? I have no idea, but if it is capable of thought abortion is deffinatly murder. But what else could we deem “human life” (SEXUAL CONTENT AHEAD READ WITH CAUTION!!!!) Everytime I use a condom or masturbate i’m wasting sperm that has a chance at becoming life. Is that murder? Everytime a woman has a period she wastes precious eggs that also has a chance at becoming life,is that murder?

      But correct me if i’m wrong didnt the old testament say Eye For an Eye=Justice????
      last but certainly not least…………
      NOT ALL MUSLIMS KILL THEMSELVES FOR 72 VIRGINS, JUST THE BRAINWASHED BONKERS ONES!!!!!!! THEIR ARE PERFECTLY NORMAL MUSLIMS THAT GO TO CHURCH EVERY WEEK WITHOUT EATING BABIES OR BLOWING UP NEW YORKERS!!! HATE AL-QUEDA NOT MUSLIMS.
      Doesnt the bible teach us to be non judgmental and loving of all people, muslim or jewish? Doesnt the bible teach us that we should be getting along with each other????
      Be christ like not just christian. Practice what you preach and stop pretending all muslims are amoral demons. Because its simply not true.

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  15. Jan

    Family axes wedding plans, Egyptian cuts off penis
    By SARAH EL DEEB Associated Press Writer The Associated Press
    Sunday, May 31, 2009 5:48 PM EDTCAIRO (AP)

    — A 25-year-old Egyptian man cut off his own penis to spite his family after he was refused permission to marry a girl from a lower class family, police reported Sunday.

    After unsuccessfully petitioning his father for two years to marry the girl, the man heated up a knife and sliced off his reproductive organ, said a police official.

    The young man came from a prominent family in the southern Egyptian province of Qena, one of Egypt’s poorest and most conservative areas that is also home to the famed ancient Egyptian ruins of Luxor.

    The man was rushed to the hospital but doctors were unable to reattach the severed member, the official added citing the police report filed after the incident.

    The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak with the press, added that the man was still recovering in the hospital.

    Traditionally, marriages in these conservative part of southern Egypt are between similar social classes and often within the same extended families — and are rarely for love.

    See what legalistic religions like Moslem or Islam does ……
    assuming that he was. And those religions that are not based on God’s loving spirit, but on legalism….
    Yah don’t see or hear of Protestant Christian’s going to that extreme..do yah Tyler……? by the way..have you ever heard of a war against Protestant’s ??????
    So, far I don’t know of any! The Catholics, Jews, and Moslems have been fighting for thousands of years….but not us Protestants!
    We are peaceful people! LOL
    The wrong religion will get yah everytime! LOL

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    1. Tyler

      Actually marriage originated as more of a legistic agreement between two families. Such as in ancient rome, india, and parts of egypt.
      Oh yeah and its spelled Muslim, not Moslem, thanks for proving how much you actually know about other cultures….

      And saying that protestants never do anything extreme. that was a joke right? I hope to vicious raptor jesus that was a joke.
      Ever heard of the crusades, abortion clinic bombings, when protestant britain imperialised catholic ireland, or how about the holocaust(caused by german protestants), or the american indian genocide commited by the great ol’ U.S.A.(also mainly protestant) Damn you guys are remarkably peacful….

      The reason these terrible things happen is because religion was formed by man, man has the potential to commit terrible atrocities, and those chances to do terrible things severly increase when man can justify his evils with an invisible ghost.

      “The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently. ” Friedrich Nietzsche

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    2. Christine

      Good, one less dick in the world.

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  16. Jan

    Have you ever traveled across the USA? Or to another country? If so, you would see that there is plenty of room available for families to live. There are not too many people taking up too much oxygen or using too many resources to go around. At least I do not see it that way, when I have traveled. Why are farms in the USA not farmed? I would think the farmers would be farming big time this summer, but …. Why do the wealthy get paid to buy up large pieces of land and not farm it? Why have the wealthy destroyed the farmers in the USA? Again the wealthy got greedy and took the middleclass jobs away…… or why is Monsanto allowed to make (GMO seeds)/alter seeds and piglets which will kill the population evenutally, our bodies can not assimilate food made from GMO seeds!
    Why do Islams hate Christians?
    Why do they want to die to be with Virgins?
    Why do they hate Jews?
    And if God is a Spirit, and he is, and that Spirit is Love, then what Spirit is their hate coming from?
    It’s natural to propagate, its unnatural to kill their offspring.
    It’s natural to love your children and to protect them from harm, its unnatural to prepare them for a suicide death or an abortion.
    Like they are some sort of sacrifice, like cattle going to the slaughter.
    That is why I as a woman do not understand wars at all. It makes no sense, and I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy.
    It goes against the joy of life and living. It is all about power and that alone will corrupt the minds of men, to do evil.
    Have you worked in the workforce in the past 20 years?
    Have you seen the power struggles amongst the working class with the new age human resource departments and the CEO’s over the workers? It’s not about competence anymore its about how much you can make for the company. Adultery and lack of ethics and lack of conscious rules now…….
    What religion has a conscious would you say and which do not?
    Is a conscious developed by getting to know God ? Or by being taught right from wrong by our parents? Our society?
    Can a conscious get corrupted or lied to or deceived?
    What does the Abnormal Psychology books say about those aberrations nowadays…..cuz 45 years ago I read that book and it seems like those pages must have been ripped out of the textbooks I read when I took that class in college!

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    1. Tyler

      Again your talking about the Islam that has been raped by heretics. In truth the actual book of Quaran teaches peace, love, and the actual book doesnt say anything about recieving 72 virgins when you commit martyrdom(something that christians created by the way).
      The muslim movement is a lot like the christians in the crusade days. Just a bunch of people who took the word of “god” and perverted it to their best interest. And they hate Jews because they believe that isreal is rightfully theirs because they were their first.(kind of childish.)Why not talk to some muslims about their religion? why not read the quaran? why not read up on anything thats not propaganda bullshit?
      Yeah we have open space but we dont have enough resources to support every single person on this earth.
      I suggest watching the documentary the 11th hour

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      1. Jan

        Tyler,
        God wrote the Truth in the Bible by men anointed by the Holy Spirit. Truth is so simple, how religions came about.
        God made us to want to worship Him. Jews were the only people who had the Ark of the Covenant and worshiped an “unseen”(Spirit) True God. Wars were fought with Jews and by other peoples, who didn’t believe as the Jews did and who worshiped Idols. Jesus was God in the Flesh, to bring all races of people to God for redemption.
        God is a jealous God and will not stand for deception about who He is, and How we are put on this earth to find Him and to Seek Him and to be called His own.
        Jews are just as stubborn as Moslems or Hindu’s or Buddah’s….they do not accept Jesus as the Son of God. So, wars continue over it…Fortunately, we in the USA allow the freedom of religion in our country. You can believe the way you want to. And so can I!
        I have said for along time…being born in America, Caucasian, I cannot fathom, living in a country of just one race and one religion. But, I thank God for it, because, I would not have probably ever come to be a believer in Christ, had I been born a Moslem or a Jew or a Chinese, or a African. Not to say, many have come to know Christ in all the world, but they suffer more than we do if they do go outside their ingrained culture and find the True God.
        All false religions hate Christians, not visa versa.
        Man has created their own God’s and there are about 5000 different religions in the world.
        Money is a God also,or should I say an idol, and its spreading it’s wings worldwide now! “The love of money is the root of all evil”.
        Right now the Federal Reserve is seeing how great their “money God” is or can become! They are bringing the entire world, if they can, to bow down to the money God, which in the book of Revelations is called the “Beast” ( a third part of Satan’s Trinity)……
        Christians are not in the Dark on what is going on and we are allowing it because its not something to get upset about, we knew it would happen before God takes charge and pours out HIS Wrath upon the earth to save the Christians.
        This earth was created by God. It will be man that destroys it. Our life here is only temporary, I”m looking forward to living an eternity with God on this New Earth and New Heaven.
        So,I am just watching and waiting to see what man does next!
        While I worship The True Savior and continue to believe in the privacy of my home and heart and mind in Jesus Christ.

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        1. Sean

          what makes you think jesus was the only son of a virgin mother??

          http://englishatheist.org/indexd.shtml

          I’m pretty sure buddah’s mother mithra was also a virgin, making buddah the flesh of god. If i’m not mistaken, Hindu’s god Krishna was also born of a virgin mother, Devaki.

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          1. Sean

            You pretty much just said that chrisianity is more believable than any other religion so it is the truth and we should ridicule all other religions. Your trying to tell somebody that the easter bunny isn’t real but santa is.

            We’re seen across the world with a bible in one hand and a gun in the other. Our country has the second to highest murder rate as a christian nation.

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          2. Sean

            oh bc god forgives our sins. I think we should scratch that part out of the bible. That just gives us reason to sin and justify ourselves.

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        2. Tyler

          Why dont christians like you just kill themselves to get to the afterlife sooner? It would make this world a lot more heavenly.
          What’s different than a picture of jesus and jesus the person? the picture only takes one nail to hang up.
          lolololololololol

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          1. longshotlouie

            Wow, the ant-theists are grumpy as hell.

            I guess if I believed life came from nothing, I’d be grumpy too.

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  17. Jan

    Tyler:
    Sorry to anger you! I disagree with you because your wrong saying that Islam and Christianity are the same, they are very different. If you will go into the website I listed above and watch the video on “Muslim Demographics”, you will see that they are proliferating rapidly. They have 8 children per family, we have 1-2. Their plans if you listen to their leaders is be able to have the largest population worldwide within 39 years. Then they will be able to take over the world. Since the war in Iraq they have dispersed worldwide. Have you been to Europe lately? or talked to anyone who is from their? Their agenda is to have eight children, who all get married and have eight more and they have eight more…..similiar to what the catholics did to rule the world also. While our country and other countries abort 1. 5 million infants per year….which of course they do not believe in. But, that way we are destroying our own population and now we will never catch up with them, its too late to do so……and they know it…..so as our economy declines, which they do not believe in capitalism or woman being educated or working either, so as they use their woman for breeding purposes only…they will be the dominant population in 30 years or so. That way they do not have to fire a shot…It’s not especially about their religion..its about how they are going about becoming the most powerful. While we are trying to fight the Taliban in the middleast that they do not like anyway……so we are preoccupied while they are busying breeding!
    And, once they infiltrate the world, the workforce, the educational system, they will when the time is ripe, be the most powerful. They also, recruit in our prisons into Islam. That will affect our society as well.
    I just think its something to be aware of and take notice that our borders are not closed to them, as they aren’t to the illegals either….so that is what our congress thinks of us…..I have witnessed a decline in our country of American doctors and nurses inour health care system ….there again…..our own hospital corporations have ruined the job market for American doctors and nurses…..they’d rather hire foreigners I guess and pay for their families and parents to use up our social security and Medicare and Medicaid…..then blame us , the Americans, that they have to hire foreigners, to do the work.
    The same in teaching…..hoards of teachers are brought into our country to teach our children.

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    1. Tyler

      When it comes to immigration I honestly dont care where your from,I just care how good you do your job.(As in getting my order right) And you talk about Islam like its some form of great evil. All of those things you just listed about Islam are very very ignorant, I suggest watching an episode of the show 30days(the one with Morgan spurlock) about this very issue. Islam has been perverted by heretics just like many sects of christianity. And you also talked about some kind of breeding…Race, I dont think you realize how dangerous this kind of thinking is. Most of my right wingy compainions dismiss any sort of environmentalism as left wing propaganda. But the truth is that America uses 50percent of the worlds resources. And if everyperson lived like an American citizen did it would take more than four earths worth of resources to support our skyrocketting population. Quite frankly we dont have enough room much room for more people(DAMN MORMANS!!!!)
      So in short…. We need to make our borders safer but not hate on our illegal companions… Realize that Islam is scarily similar to christianity… And dont start a breeding race just because muslims and chinese have huge numbers. Thank you for not getting all hot headed against my previous offensive comments.

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    2. Sean

      islam, christianity, buddhism, sikhism, judaism, hinduism, candomble, bahai, jainism, mormons, paganism, rastafari, shinto, scientology, taoism,unitarianism. It’s all the same; each religion uses meditation practices to heal the soul. Meditating is actually really good for you. Your body is made out of energy which is controlled by your brain and perception. All MRI’s take pictures of your energy using magnets…

      You reproduce trilions of cells each day. Negative thoughts can destroy and deteriorate your body making you more susceptible to diseases. The body reproduces trillions of cells a day. When you stress, blood flows into the bones of your arms and legs, which is blood that is used to reproduce your cells..

      Praying has such a positive effect on your body and mind that some people have even cured cancer by meditating and using yoga practices. You can even pray for a loved one and it would produce positive energy and can heal that person a lot faster. Watch this video, you will find it amazing.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkbpXRSIUnE&feature=PlayList&p=12F1C16D424512E0&index=0

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      1. Jan

        Sean,
        thanks for the website, I checked it out and sent it out to friends…..it took me to many other sites for more learning and listening to relaxing music…thanks Jan
        P.S. God is still God and the only begotten, Son of God is Jesus,who is God in the Flesh! (you’ll never get me to believe any differently)
        not Mohammad, not Joseph Smith, not a Rabbi, not a sacred cow,not Buddha,not a male/female circle…….etc.

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        1. Sean

          no problem..

          There is more life and movement in your body from one second to the next, than in all of the stars planets in the universe.

          Here is a top cloning scientist explaining more about quantum physics and the body.

          http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6568107389365915765&ei=TqUiSvrGIoG2rgLw7KmmCQ&q=bruce+lipton&hl=en

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  18. Jan

    Why a study and perspective of Islam is necessary ….

    Muslims are increasing more than any other religious group in the world. Their growth rate is four times faster than Christians. Presently, those who practice Islam make up approximately one-fifth of the world’s population. One Bible teacher from England, after reviewing current demographics, commented that, “if present trends continue, half of all global births will be in Muslim families by the year 2055″. Something revolutionary is happening before our eyes, and most Western Christians are oblivious to it. Not only are Muslims the fastest growing religious group in the world, but also in the United States, Canada and Europe, with Europe perhaps being the model of where Canada and then the United States are heading shortly after.

    Any simple examination of the present birth rates of the native Europeans versus Europe’s Muslim immigrant population leads us to one very clear and ominous conclusion: the Europe we have known is very quickly changing into what some refer to as Eurabia, where Europe will soon find itself under the power and control of Islam. The following short clip will show you just where our world is heading from a purely demographic point of view:

    http://www.prophecynewswatch.com/featureditem.html

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  19. New Yorker

    I am disgusted that our government is considering amnesty for the Illegal Immigrants who are in this country. Rewarding them for breaking our laws and draining our economy and most of all our health care. Yes, our health care. When an Illegal Immigrant (pregnant) has a child in our country, they have this child for free. When an American Citizen who is pregnant, who has no benefits because they lost their job, has a child they get a 25 thousand dollar bill! That American who paid taxes since the age of probably 15 years old should be the one who gets the break, NOT THE ILLEGAL. This country is so backwards and run by idiots! The more we stay silent, the worse it gets. If our ancestors would have stayed silent, slaves would still exist, and AMERICA would not exist today if our forefathers didn’t have the balls to fight for freedom! Think about it people. It’s just going to get worse. KICK THE ILLEGALS OUT! Good Bye, Adios! When an American Citizen does something Illegal, like ” Not Pay Taxes” the IRS/Govt. Goes after them and freezes their assets. hmmm. I don’t know about you, But I am really sick of the leaders of this country STEPPING ALL OVER THE HARD WORKING AMERICAN CITIZEN. With out us, there would be no country to begin with. remember that people! The time is now to stand up and fight for your freedoms!

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  20. georgia

    Lets deport all non english speaking foreigners out of this country and let foreign countries deport all americans back to the US.

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    1. Foreigner@home

      Let’s deport all non-Sioux, Lakota, Cheyenne, Yurok, Navajo, Wiyot etc speakers.

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  21. Band Together

    Well come on…tell us something about what you read. Please we would love to hear it. Tell us your side DoctorZ

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  22. DoctorZ

    Right on, Tyler. Capitalism, or good, will always prevail! Go immigrants!

    Hey you racist people who call Mexicans illegal aliens, read something from Ayn Rand, author of Atlas Shrugged.

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  23. Tyler

    gotta dissagree a little.
    If you are born here it is your home.
    Most mexican Americans(really just Americans) I know have more american spirit than any other group in america.
    If you are for capitalism you are surely for competition. Immigrants are competing for jobs just like any other Americans.

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  24. Gen

    Stop the DREAM Act: amnesty for illegals & money for their tuition.

    http://www.wam08.org/DREAMpetition.html

    Mass organized petition against the DREAM Act (lovely name, bad policy). WAM’s last petition changed 45 House votes & we’re going for more this time!

    It will increase flow of illegal immigrants. On top of that, how many of you had this type of taxpayer funding for your college tuition?

    Download FAIR’s analysis: http://foundingfatherscry.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=417&t=1410&start=0&hilit=DREAM

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    1. Band Together

      Yes I agree. Something has to change. I myself am part hispanic but i’m a 4generation. I love my state and country very much and like for my kids some day to love it just as I do. Some say they come here for a better life. Then why is it that when they get here they try to make it like home? I call this Rape of our Great State!!!!!!!They take what they want and force their Spanish on us with bill boards,radio and t.v.. When does it stop? Can anyone answer that? When?

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      1. Gen

        I have two cousins that are half. Their father was from Mexico City, came here for a better life for his children. They only learned Spanish as a second language. No Mexican flags waving at their house.

        It was exactly what you’ve said. His children are American, not Mexican American.

        I can’t believe what is happening before my eyes. What happened to our country?

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  25. EDWARD NUTTALL

    INSTEAD OF THE TERM “ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT” I PREFER THE WORD “INVADER”.

    BUILDING A WALL ALONG OUR MEXICAN BOARDER SEEMS A RATHER WEAK AND PROBLEMATIC WAY TO STOP THE INVADERS. A BETTER METHOD IS TO DO THE FOLLOWING:

    - CREATE A 1/4MI WIDE U.S.A MILITARY BASE ALONG THE ENTIRE U.S./ MEXICAN BOARDER (AS MUCH AS FEASIBLE) AND PAY FOR IT BY SELLING THE EXISITNG UNUSED FEDERAL BASES, COLD WAR MISSLE SILOS, ETC. IN THE HINTER LAND. INVADING THE U.S.A IS ONE THING BUT INVADING A U.S. MILITARY BASE IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT STORY!

    - MORAL: IF A PEOPLE WORK TO BUILD A SOCIETY OF SUCH QUALITY THAT THE REST OF THE WORLD WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE SAME, ALLOWED THE CHOICE, ENOUGH WILL INVADE FROM THE REST OF THE WORLD TO RUIN IT!

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  26. tony

    For a man of the Constitution, how can you seriously before getting rid of birthright citizenship? Section 1 Amendment 14, even by the strictist constructionist textualist “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States”

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  27. Taylor

    Hi,

    My name is Taylor, and I’m just trying to get my facts straight. I was recently looking at Ron Paul’s track record for voting on border patrol, and it seems like from 2001 to 2005 he was very very against it. Voting no on 4 different amendments that would improve our border patrol in different ways. I’m by no means bashing him, so don’t get me wrong. I just was wondering if anyone has any thoughts on the subject.

    Thanks for your time,

    Taylor

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    1. Nate D

      I would look closer at those bills. They probably had a lot of unjust spending. Could you list them.

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  28. Dasnuke

    It’s a true pity the Iroquois Confederacy (not to mention the rest of the inhabitants of this continent) didn’t share your attitude on “ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION” in 1492!
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    Hey they were Koreans to start with in the first place. So I guess that they could go back there to live in their ancestral homes.
    Also check up on some law, lets say Roman Law. Here is a hint; start with Vēnī, vīdī, vīcī and work your way up into the various Roman Laws to find out why we are, where we are, how we are.
    PS There are no such thing as Original Native Americans.

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  29. Dasnuke

    Awwww, poor peoples. Gee Whizz I guess that the greed of their own leaders/governments have nothing to do with it.
    Get Real! Coup after Coup and what do the poor peoples get? Nothing, nada!!
    How did the rich El Nortes get that land, hummmmm? Well durn, there goes those corrupt “Beaner” (as you like to say) Governments. Have those rich, rich, rich governments, or officials done anything to get the peoples out of the stone age? Come on speak up!! Aww, what’s that you say NADA!!
    Get your head out of the clouds and smell the coffee being roasted by those rich companies.

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  30. Danuke

    The book, not the movie, Starship Troopers makes it very clear. Citizenship must be earned! Military service, no one will be turned away. Hence regardless of physical conditions you will earn your citizenship and you will appreciate it. If you don’t want to be a Citizen no problem – no vote, and you are not allowed to have certain jobs. The fascist state portrayed in the movie did not in the book.
    I do like one proposal that I saw – military service in a war zone for illegals will earn them citizenship!
    I read that book shortly after it came out, and I read it on every Submarine patrol that I made.
    I think that it is a sound idea. You want to vote, you want to have any government job, be it elected or civil? Then get off your butt, serve and earn that franchise. Hell you should do it anyway. And read the book to see what Heinlein was saying or trying to say

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  31. Be Real

    I think the proposal to send all illegal immigrants back home is ludicrous.

    I do not believe people should break the law. I believe in strong border security. But to think that we can just kick all these people out is lunacy.

    Right now the private jails that house the few immigrants that are caught are the only ones benefiting from this ridiculous policy. They raid these poor people and instead of immediate deportation they keep them for years on end without a trial – that is crazy!

    I don’t have the answer – but this is certainly not it.

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    1. Dasnuke

      But to think that we can just kick all these people out is lunacy.
      WHY?
      Justify that please. Don’t give us that lame ” I don’t have the answer,” stuff. You should have never opened your fat keyboard.
      What would really send them back would be a true crack-down on the corrupt employers in the States. Serious, if you are caught – no appeals, Jail Time. Heck even sent them to Mexican Jails.
      Man, at times, I sure do admire the way that China deals with corruption when it is caught and made public. Look at what happened to the head of their FDA with the bad dog food and other things.

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      1. Be Real

        How are we going to round all these people up? You tell me smart guy?

        First of all, Americans do not want their jobs no matter how much they say they do. Americans want cushy jobs with Ford or Chrysler that give them health benefits and vacations – and that’s fine.

        These people are Nannies and factory workers and farmers. How many folks in your family are in those line of business? If your answer is a lot then you people should have stuck to school or maybe we should deport you for wasting a great opportunity to get educated.

        Is there a problem – yes. Can we kick all these people out? come back to me in 10 or 20 years when we are still discussing this ridiculous idea and my response will be I TOLD YOU SO! We don’t even have the money for border security how in the world are we going to police the entire country looking for these people?

        As for a solution I say that any person without a criminal record be given a fine and so long as they can prove that they earn a living honestly should be allowed to pay their taxes and stay. Folks with criminal records should be deported immediately without even a trial. But most importantly we need to secure the borders so that the entry way is shut, otherwise we are going to have this problem for ever.

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        1. Dasnuke

          Be real, be real!

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          “come back to me in 10 or 20 years when we are still discussing this ridiculous idea”
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          Therein is the problem. Evidently all you and many like you want to do is talk.
          We fought and won World War II, I think that we can figure out how to do it.
          I wonder how much money we would have for border security if we stopped giving it to the illegals and their illegal/legal kin here in the States and South. All ya have to do is open your eyes and look around, or open your ears and listen. You can find them easily enough. Here in Texas it is so very easy. Then on top of it all the El Salvadorians are invading and having a nice border drug war while at the same time moving in on Houston. Sure, that is the hard case.
          The fact that they are here illegally means that they have a criminal record. Many have crossed over and been sent back to have a nice long criminal record.
          Still don’t get it eh, they are not gonna pay taxes, the employers are not going to report them.
          BTW, have you looked at what it takes to get INTO Mexico? I ain’t talking about a quick border city run.
          Again, how hard is it to pick them up, you know what work they do, durn I wonder where to look?
          And again money, well as far as I am concerned we are under an invasion, get all troops home from over seas. If things get too unstable for us to live with, well we do have nukes. Kill off the Obama welfare socialism spending plans; take back all the bailout bucks- war is a good cure for an ailing economy. It worked before. For that matter, we can augment the border patrol with welfare recipients; give them a benefits/quota system.

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        2. Dasnuke

          Just curious about where you got this idea
          ” If your answer is a lot then you people should have stuck to school or maybe we should deport you for wasting a great opportunity to get educated.”
          What private school did you go to? How many people are banging at the door to get the few real slots at a good education?
          Cushy jobs eh? I got a good education thanks to the United States Navy (not the USNA), and I only had to join for 6 years and ride three subs to pay for it.
          And, broken string – let the welfare people take those jobs. AND get the convicts in Texas prisions back to work. And this crap about not paying the Cons is bull, they get a nice place to live and food to eat.

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        3. Dasnuke

          “These people are Nannies and factory workers and farmers.”
          Still working on your idea about cushy jobs at Ford what in the heck are you talking about?
          Are they not factory workers? Do you have any idea of how many (say legal just to throw that in) “Ford or Chrysler” factory workers there are in this country?

          Why don’t you babble about the cushy Petro-chemical industry here in Texas next.

          Do you think that those benefits just fell off the great blue benefits bush and right into their laps? Golly gee, do you even know where the 40 hour work week, real premium overtime came from?
          Or even better yet (Mr. Not So Smart Guy), do you even have a real, doing something for America, job? Have you put in your time with the service?

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          1. Be Real

            Why would I ever fight in these phony wars? I mean even Dr. Paul says these wars were a mistake.

            Don’t be so angry because you had to do 6 years in sub to get educated.

            Call me when there is a war fighting for, protect the homeland, not these petro wars you are so gong hoe about fighting.

            And please stop lecturing people with your meaningless history anecdotes – I’m pretty sure most of us are educated enough to know some of this history.

            at this point this back and forth is laughable but you sound like you need the entertainment so let’s keep it up.

            Oh, and trust me when I tell you that I’m doing OK in a good old cushy American Job. Not in the red-neck woods but in a real city.

            Like I said, you people have been talking kick them out for ever – IT WON’T HAPPEN! Those companies exploiting those immigrants will not let it. It’s all red meat talk to keep people like you pacified by making belief you are fighting form something.

            The sad part is that some of what you propose makes sense, it just wont happen.

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          2. Dasnuke

            Humm, subpar education. I operated nuclear reactors at power plants after I left the Navy and did very well after I left the control room. Further, I did not tell you to go to war, I just said serve your country rather than be a free rider. I don’t know what you consider a real city or a a good cushy job or a good education is for that matter. It sounds like you went to Humpty Dumpty State and got a BS degree in mug-wumping, or more likely a liberal arts degree in waffle. I doubt that you would ever make in the Navy’s Nuclear Power Program, heck I doubt that you could even score high enough on the tests to get in. Cushy job and all.

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  32. Eric

    Look at the rancher in Arizona. He’s being sued by a group of drug toting,trespassing,litter bugs who destroyed his property and stole from him. Yet he’s the one who owns the land,pays the taxes,and they get to sue him. Wake up people.

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    1. Dasnuke

      Durn, that is what comes from not shooting to kill first. At the risk, back in the day, we had a real standing militia. Perhaps we need them again.

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  33. Eric

    When it’s to late to doing anything about the problem. We’ll all wake up and say HOW DID THIS HAPPEN! Something needs to be done now! Rules written and enforced to protect our boarders,landowners IE (the rancher in Arizona),and the people who live legally in the USA. Give him an inch and he’ll be your ruler. We spend billions of dollars on military training, Why not have training drills where there’s a problem patrolling the borders to deter any illegal entry or drug trafficking. So what can you do for your freedom? Go MR.Paul!

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  34. Jimbabwe From Zimbabwe

    Hereabove is displayed the true character of the participants of this WWWeb site.

    Sorry, people, but you really should start by Googling “HYPOCRISY”

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    It’s a true pity the Iroquois Confederacy (not to mention the rest of the inhabitants of this continent) didn’t share your attitude on “ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION” in 1492!
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    “Manifest Destiny” is here.

    You asked for it, you got it.

    Now what?

    I know, I know. “Kill the new people”, right? Or at least force them to live in some other Native Inhabitants’ ancestral homes. Suuure. That makes YOU “noble”, right?

    Now YOU go back to YOUR ancestral home, or continue living here in OURS as a HYPOCRITE. Or you could stop bitching about the new people doing what YOU DID and learn to get along with new neighbors, like WE DID.

    Now, everyone who still doesn’t get it, please add copious, puerile, vituperative comments:

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    1. Sean

      do you think the actions our government makes reflect the actions the people make?? we are regular people just like ya’ll wanting the same thing, Peace and prosperity. You can’t pretend that your culture is moraly better and not even know what our culture is about. Vise versa. Haven’t you heard that stereotypeing people is never correct. You don’t know one persons actions and thoughts to the next. Most of us aren’t movie actors or war patriots, so don’t place a whole country in that category.

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      1. Sean

        You should go complain to China for building the Great Wall. Either that or research about the war going on at our border.

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        1. Dasnuke

          Actually I think that a good solid wall of M-60s would be a much better solution.

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          1. Dasnuke

            The Great Illegal Round Up
            1. Of course the first step in rounding all the illegals up is to enact and strictly enforce laws against those who employ them.
            NO BAIL AND MANDATORY JAIL TIME, punishment escalates proportionally to the number of illegals working for the employer criminal.
            Of course, a sub-set would be that the employers will have to pay real wages for “those jobs that people don’t want.” Which in turn means we all will have to pay more for the services, legal services, for legal immigrants and other Americans.

            2. Couple this with elimination of any/all freebee rides on our tax dollars. Immediate resolution, arrest and deport any claimants. If it is for emergency medical care, take care of that then off they go.
            3. NO messing around, no politico whining/posing, no pork/earmarks. Get the legislation through and passed.
            4. Then work on and pass an amendment to eliminate birthright citizenship. That is going to take the longest time to get done.
            This will go far to drying up the jobs and the illegals will round themselves up and head on home.

            Several states have enacted some version of 1 and it works; alas however; only in that state. The illegals just head over into a more friendly state where the residents start to wondering. “Where did all these guys come from?”

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  35. Texan

    The operative term here is illegal. It is possible to enter this country legally. When one of my siblings was born on foreign soil, there was a choice of citizenship. The offer of birthright citizenship is for people that are here under honorable conditions.

    The willingness to break the law speaks for the character of the immigrant that enters illegally. Everyone says “think of the children” and “they’re just looking for a better life”. If I took my kids to another country illegally, the discussion would be about Child Protective Services stepping in. If I went looking for a better life, I would do it properly.

    Legal – open arms
    Illegal – no benefits whatsoever and don’t come back

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    1. Dasnuke

      People whose various papers expire eh? And let them take flight lessons too I suppose eh? Then loose track of them, hummmm?

      Why don’t you go take a look a the requirements that a few of those wonderful European countries have in place for foreign workers, much less immigration.

      The once it was really manned and monitored, the Berlin Wall and Check Point Charlie worked pretty durn well. Until the entire system went bust. Of course they used guns; now there’s a thought.

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