Illegal Immigration




Illegal immigrants are a convenient scapegoat for our economic crisis. But with free markets and private property, the need for immigrant labor becomes obvious. Most immigrants, regardless of the color of their skin, are open to the ideals of liberty: private property, free markets, sound money, right to life, low taxes, less war, protection of civil liberties, and a foreign policy designed for peace.

Ron Paul proposed the following action steps for dealing with illegal immigration:

  1. Abolish the welfare state. The incentive to take a job at whatever wage available must prevail.
  2. Establish a generous visitor work program. Once we solve the economic crisis by introducing sound money, demand for domestic and immigrant labor will rise.
  3. Enforce the laws on the books with more border guards. Allow states and landowners to enforce the law and provide security assistance.
  4. Abolish birthright citizenship for children of illegal immigrants. [Current U.S. citizens will not be affected. Instead, babies born to illegals after a future cutoff date will no longer gain automatic U.S. citizenship. They will still have citizenship in their parents’ home countries.]
  5. End all federal mandates on the states to provide free education and medical care for illegal immigrants.



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  3. If Ron Paul seriously wants to win, and not just waste campaign money contributed by his supporters, then I highly recommend he revise some of his points on immigration, legal or not. Maybe he can start by addressing some of the points I made, which are true points and not just made up ones. Perhaps, he can address them, sensitively, then draw up a comprehensive plan based on history, and not just resentment and fear. Someone needs to address these facts. One cannot win the Latino vote, if one is ignorant of these small (really hidden) details. Oftentimes, people just want recognition, but from what I read above, he makes no mention of the Mexican plight, or better yet, the real story as to why Mexico has so many 'illegal' immigrants here. If I had been running for President and wanted immigration reform, I would at least mention something in favor of them, instead of just calling them 'law breakers', etc. Oh, well too bad, just another smear politician, I guess.

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    • @Mario A.C.

      Mario ... for the 50 millionth time, the subject is illegal immigrants. Illegal immigrants are law breakers. That's what makes them illegal. Illegal immigrants don't and can't vote.

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      • So if Illegal Immigrants are law breakers i would like to say that most Americans are Murderers.. Coz Columbus blood still runs in some of Americans today @seejaymouser @Mario A.C.

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        • @Ascenci0

          Yes, illegal usually does indicate the breaking of the law. If you want to term me a murderer for what my ancestors did 200 years ago, I can't stop you, but using your reasoning, you must be illegal because many of your relatives probably are. Is that right?

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        • I like it now were getting somewhere...... So your saying im illegal because of my ancestors.. Incorrect Im from California Majority of my family was born in Mexico... California used to before part of Mexico along with Texas and Arizona before people came and invaded and killed everyone or either said die or leave to the south.. So am i illegal? i don't think so @seejaymouser

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        • @Ascenci0

          It would be very helpful if you would read everything I wrote before you reply. I never said you were illegal. Read it again.

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        • I read everything you said.."I can't stop you, but using your reasoning, you must be illegal because many of your relatives probably are. Is that right?" and since your using my reasoning you are wrong because of the facts i gave you in my last post @seejaymouser

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        • @Ascenci0

          In a nutshell, you are blaming my generation for things that are out of my control, so I am doing the same for you.

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        • @seejaymouseryes.. it isn't just you it's everyone in America today and the teacher i told you about said it himself his generation has fucked my generation over and he is the same age as you 50's don't know exactly but i know he is in the 50's.. and i don't want the same for generations after mine.. (this doesn't just go under immigration it goes to everything)

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        • TooBadStupidIsPainless

          Yes you are probably illegal. Just because a group of people walk across an internationally recognized border between two countries and say 'Hey, this used to be Mexico so we have a right to be here' does NOT make it so. And if you are descended from those that did just that then you are illegal. The 14th Amendment does not grant citizenship to children of foriegn nationals that are born on US soil. Those that say it does simply stopped reading.

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        • @TooBadStupidIsPainless So, are you saying that the children of 'illegals' are not citizens? Oh, really? You are not American for not knowing the law about who is and who is not. Other than that, you must have stopped reading, or are just blindly talking out of your... . Whatever happened 200 years ago can happen again. All it takes is for people to realize their potential and make a difference. Really though, what your people need to do is start doing the dirty work, which they have avoided for all too long, then there won't be a need for cheap labor from another country. First it was the poor blacks, then it was the Chinese, then the Thai people, then the philippinos, then the Japanese, the Mexicans, the Irish and on and on, all the while as your people continue(d) to complain. Waaaa! Poor babies!

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        • Exactly.. List never ends for Americans @Mario A.C. @TooBadStupidIsPainless

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        • Ya go Ahead be ignorant.. Go ahead and stop reading.. Go ahead and blame other race's.. Go ahead and think you guys are perfect and everything America does is perfect. Go ahead blame others for the problems.. Go ahead and forget history guess it aint important for Americans.. Go ahead be my guest keep being naive and asleep..@TooBadStupidIsPainless

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        • Like i said before i wonder how this would be if America was in Mexico's situation.. @TooBadStupidIsPainless

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        • @Ascenci0@TooBadStupidIsPainless

          If you read the history of the Mexican-American war you will understand that there was a time when the roles were reversed.

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        • @TooBadStupidIsPainless being realistic that we will not get everything we want no matter who gets elected Can you read the latest and can you find my Post re" What If" Illegal Immigration Plan" please answer my question to everyone about the could you live with Ron Pauls Plan if this were part of it? See my posted request to all re the Illegal Imigration. make a difference. Thanks for you help Jen

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      • @seejaymouser Ahhh, illegal people on God's green Earth. WOW. I'll remember to tell that one to God and to his Angels. I'll remember what you said. Meanwhile, the Mexican wolf is protected to cross the border at will, whenever and however.

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        • @Mario A.C.

          So you're saying that if I chose to I could swim across the river to Mexico and make my own rules and live any way I want and the Mexican citizens should just accept that even though they are bound by the laws of their country?

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      • @seejaymouser Tou are forgetting, illegal immigrants from Mexico usually have relatives here who can vote.

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  5. After Hurricane Katrina FEMA allowed US contractors to place advertisements in Mexican newspapers stating that they would not check workers for legal status if they came to help rebuild. Many came and worked their asses off. Many were deported once the job got done, oftentimes stiffed of pay. Many of the citizens of New Orleans resented the laborers and ended up beating and robbing them. This is not the only case where Mexican laborers were lured by US for cheap labor. If you study, you will find many examples of this. It is sickening how they have been taken advantage of by their neighbor to the north starting with the taking of the southwest to the present. Open your eyes and stop being so ridiculously blind. Ron Paul acts like he doesn't know what has been going on, and that Mexicans are just here taking advantage of US, when in fact it has been quite the opposite in many cases. Sure there are 'bad' people who come here from Mexico, but then again, they come here from all over, and more so from elsewhere, as it was with the terrorists who brought down the towers. Ron Paul who has run for Pres several times has latched onto the same band-tongue-waggin' that he thinks will get him votes.

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    • @Mario A.C.

      Well so far it has gotten him mine. But that could change. If I were one of those cheap laborers that were allowed to come over here and work, I would have taken that opportunity to learn English and try to become a naturalized citizen. Undocumented aliens cost the emergency medical system 8.6 billion a year in the US. They get their money by raising rates for those of us who pay for the services.

      Here's what that "cheap" labor ends up costing the US based on recent study called cheap labor and the federal budget : $11 billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments. Illegal households only pay about one-third the amount of federal taxes that non-illegal households pay. Illegal households create a net fiscal deficit at the federal level of more than $10 billion a year. If given amnesty, this number could grow to more than $29 billion. $1.9 billion dollars a year is spent on food-assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC and free school lunches for illegal aliens. $1.6 billion is spent on the federal prison and court system for illegal aliens. About 21 percent of the population of U.S. prisons is classified as “noncitizens” from Mexico, Colombia, Cuba and the Dominican Republic. About 5 percent is listed as “unknown.”

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      • @seejaymouser Where did you find those figures? The ones I've found show a very different story, whereas the Illegals are less of a drain and more of a positive. If you look at Alabama, you realize that they were needed, that is why the harvest is rotting on the vines. You cannot just think that this illegal trade started last week, or even last year, but has been ongoing longer than 70 years. That is why I think It would be good for anyone running for President to bring these issues up. Look at what happened in New Orleans where most of the citizens were doing nothing but getting FEMA aid while living in their FEMA trailers. The rebuilding was not getting done, so they told the contractors to advertise in Mexican Newspapers with the lure of "no documents checked"... in other words, they looked the other way. If it had not been for this kind of labor, things would not have gotten done. I am a memeber of The Southern Poverty Law Center (founded by Rosa Parks), so I know these cases very well.

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        • @Mario A.C.

          Well, just so you know, most Americans would not want to be compared to the citizens of New Orleans. That situation did not occur in Florida when the hurricanes hit in '04 or in Mississippi after Katrina. New Orleans residents are a whole different ball of wax.

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        • @Mario A.C.

          Google. A simple search. Try it.

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        • Now all are they a diff. ball of wax? Coz of there race to?.. @seejaymouser @Mario A.C.

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        • uhh fucked up bad right there.... Leme fix it......."Now why are they a diff. ball of wax? Coz there a diff. race?" @seejaymouser @Mario A.C.

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        • @Ascenci0@Mario A.C.

          No, because of their mentality. I guess. I mean Saturday evening, before Katrina hit, residents were encouraged to evacuate. That's a full 36 hours before the hurricane hit. Anybody who was still there should have planned better. Even those with no transportation could have walked far enough away in that length of time to not get caught in it. I went through Charley, Frances and Jeanne, three hurricanes in six weeks, lost damn near everything. It sucks, but you pick yourself up and keep moving.

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        • Oh well.. The least the gov could have done was Helped them out.. But they didn't do much @seejaymouser @Mario A.C.

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        • And i don't know much about Hurricanes and what the government has done to help people that go through it.. But Katrina was big.. they didn't get help for along time @seejaymouser @Mario A.C.

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        • @Ascenci0@Mario A.C.

          Unfortunately most people operate under the mistaken impression that it's the government's responsibility to bail everybody out of every bad situation. That is not the case. The government responded every bit as fast after Katrina as they did after Charley. Which was relatively slow.

          It takes a while to get a machine the size of the US government rolling and it's almost as hard to stop it. Which could explain why FEMA is now demanding repayment of much of the emergency funds that they overpaid after the disaster. They just paid anybody who asked for it and many asked that did not deserve it.

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        • @Ascenci0@Mario A.C.

          I knew what you meant ... I read between the lines.

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        • was this regarding my previous post.. To the Hypothetically speaking comment i said..? coz the discussion board might have messed it up... If so then how would you feel? @seejaymouser @Mario A.C.

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        • + all the other questions i asked @seejaymouser @Mario A.C.

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        • @seejaymouser @Ascenci0 Agreed.

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      • @seejaymouser I do agree that learning english would help the immigrants, but we live in a freedom of speech land, so they cannot be forced to do so. The truth of the matter is though that most do learn english, believe it or not. When you hear Spanish speakers, it is usually them communicating with each other, as it is with any other immigrant. I know because I've lived near ChinaTown. this is not just a Spanish thing.

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        • @Mario A.C.

          You need to learn the definition of free speech. It is the freedom to speak about what you like without fear of persecution. You are also free to speak in any language you choose, but prepare to have Americans turn a deaf ear to you when you speak to them in their country in Spanish.

          I can only go by my own experiences. I deal with about a hundred customers a day on the phone and in person. Chinese, Russian, Italian, Japanese, people from everywhere in the world. The only people who speak to me in a foreign language are Mexicans. What does that tell you?

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        • It tells me they want there part of the country back @seejaymouser @Mario A.C.

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        • @Ascenci0@Mario A.C.

          Ooookaaaaaay .....

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        • Exactly....Now Hypothetically speaking lets say America started off with American's and that's it.. So saying that How would you feel if someone came to America and just started killing the shit out of everyone.. And we couldn't do anything because they were more High tech then us.. Then Many Years later there's Americans in Canada.. What you think those American's in Canada will do? Will they follow the polices of whoever invaded? Will they want to learn there customs? Will they want to pat taxes to people that killed there people? tell me how would you feel?@seejaymouser @Mario A.C.

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        • @Ascenci0@Mario A.C.

          I guess Americans are made of different material, because there's no way in hell that we would be occupied or be neglected by a corrupt government. Our government is not perfect but it's no Mexico. Why do you think the NRA is so popular, why do you think so many US citizens have weapons permits, why do we own so many guns?

          Because we will not allow ourselves to be treated that way. We will go down fighting. I have a permit and carry a pistol at all times and I also have a shotgun in easy reach at home. I'd rather be shot dead than give up my rights and my country. I think most of us feel that way. So if anybody comes in here trying to do that, there will be a fight. I doubt there will be many refugees heading into Canada.

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        • Okay you didn't understand me.. I was referring to the past when you Americans invaded Mexican territory and took there land away.... which is why is said "Hypothetically speaking lets say America started off with American's and that's it" and lets say that Canada was American to... Now just add all the questions i asked before... and it doesn't matter what you have a pistol ain't gona do it for there high tech weaponry just like when Americans Invaded Mexico @seejaymouser @Mario A.C.

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        • @seejaymouser @Ascenci0 I agree, we need to stay vigilant, but if you examine what is happening in Lybia, you will see a different picture. For instance, they revolted and started knocking shit down and firing weapons in the streets. We decided they are fighting for their freedom, and so helped them. If that happened here, as in people knocking shit down and firing weapons, I guarantee, the National Guard would have orders to shoot to kill!

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  6. Has anyone heard of the 'Mexican Repatriation Program'? It was a time in America when 1 million or so legal US citizens of Mexican ancestry were transported to Mexico, due to a shortage of work here. They usually were the 'man of the house', thus leaving behind dependent wives and children. Many of those wives with children went to Mexico to live with their husbands, therefore were also unable at the time to return, thus the term 'repatriation'. Perrhaps, 'the chickens are coming home to roost' as to why there are such 'problems' with todays immigration? Meanwhile, I know a lot of people from other places around the world who gained access through fake marriages, or by overstaying their visas, etc. Yes, there are far more coming from all Latin America (not just Mexico) but that's because we are so close, geographically. Remeber, in the beginning, the Mexican told the gringo, 'mi casa es su casa' and guess what happened? They never left, then eventually went on to take over the casa.

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    • @Mario A.C.

      I've heard of it, but this is what I heard ... The Mexican Repatriation refers to a mass migration that took place between 1929 and 1939, when as many as 500,000 people of Mexican descent were forced or pressured to leave the US. Some 35,000 were deported, amongst many hundreds of thousands of other immigrants who were deported during this period.

      This was 70 years ago. There are 12 million illegals in this country. They are all getting even for an event that took place before they were born?

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      • @seejaymouser There are a lot of those who went through it as children, and yes they still remember. If you add the children of those people, plus what happened to the Braceros (another scandal), plus other such events, then you get a different picture. Still, your "it happened 70 years ago..." doesn't make any sense. Are you saying since the Natives were removed from their lands and their culture destroyed 200-300 years ago, they have no claim? Or that our government owes them nothing? Hmm? Thank God you're not running for President.

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        • @Mario A.C.

          Thank God you're not running for President.

          You said a mouthful there, you would not like my policies. If you would devote half the energy you devote to dragging up ancient history, to the actual problems at hand and creative ways to solve them, you might do some good.

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  8. I absolutely agree all of this. America is a place where I want to go but not to live and become a citizen, all countries all over the world, many foreigners come and go for a reason I don't know what particular reason but I'm sure it's for money. Ron Paul made a great ordinance against immigration.

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    • @myhealth

      Immigration? Or illegal immigration?

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    • @myhealth being realistic that we will not get everything we want no matter who gets elected Can you read the latest and can you find my Post re" What If" Illegal Immigration Plan" please answer my question to everyone about the could you live with Ron Pauls Plan if this were part of it? See my posted request to all re the Illegal Imigration. make a difference. Thanks for you help Jen

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