Illegal Immigration

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Illegal immigrants are a convenient scapegoat for our economic crisis. But with free markets and private property, the need for immigrant labor becomes obvious. Most immigrants, regardless of the color of their skin, are open to the ideals of liberty: private property, free markets, sound money, right to life, low taxes, less war, protection of civil liberties, and a foreign policy designed for peace.

Ron Paul proposed the following action steps for dealing with illegal immigration:

  1. Abolish the welfare state. The incentive to take a job at whatever wage available must prevail.
  2. Establish a generous visitor work program. Once we solve the economic crisis by introducing sound money, demand for domestic and immigrant labor will rise.
  3. Enforce the laws on the books with more border guards. Allow states and landowners to enforce the law and provide security assistance.
  4. Abolish birthright citizenship for children of illegal immigrants. [Current U.S. citizens will not be affected. Instead, babies born to illegals after a future cutoff date will no longer gain automatic U.S. citizenship. They will still have citizenship in their parents' home countries.]
  5. End all federal mandates on the states to provide free education and medical care for illegal immigrants.


8,487 responses to “Illegal Immigration”

  1. F Picard

    This point is probably the one where is disagree much with Ron Paul politics. What is the real threat of immigration (whether legal or not) in the US ? They don’t come in the US to be on welfare… honnestly, they have to live in the US and feed the familly abroad. So they are here to grab jobs, welfare is just not paying enough !

    illegal will fill jobs that no americans will. Do you really want to harvest beans paid 1.50 $/hr ? This keeps pricing low, as well as inflation. On the other hand, the illegal will find a much better revenue than in his homeland. Everybody wins, even if you are not aware of it. Your house pricing is probably lower, because illegals helped to build it. Or because illegals are keeping pricing pressure on “real americans” home builders.

    The major problem here is : Los Estados de America. Americans cannot foresee an america in another language than english. Star spangled banner cannot be sung in spanish, as to preserve REAL america… that’s the whole point. A WASP nation under GOD…

    Are you ready to subsidize racism and biggotry (through wall fencing, paying drones and all that cra…) or want really freedom for all human beings, no matter where they are born ? That’s the point.

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  2. Andy Sears

    Just a thought I think that illegal immigration and welfare are tied very closely as these illegals are coming to take jobs in most cases that Americans find to hard lowley or plain and interruption of their life. Interesting enough if one had a choice to eat or starve based on those jobs not welfare there would be less money and jobs available for illegals and they would be less apt to come. What is Rons feeling on this???

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  3. Gerrie

    There is nothing wrong with legal immigrants ….. the complaints are against ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS IN THE UNITED STATES.

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  4. Disbelief

    What a flip-flop… http://www.star-telegram.com/2012/02/01/3705524/ron-paul-favors-compassionate.html

    “When things go badly, individuals look for scapegoats,” Paul said. Paul said he doesn’t support illegal immigration and said people who break the law should be punished. But he said he opposes any effort to round people up and ship them away.

    “If an individual is found to be breaking the law, serious consideration should be given for them to return.

    “But I would think 99 percent of people who come here come because they believe in the American dream,” Paul said to applause.

    He’s just trying to get votes and I don’t know what to believe… I can’t vote for someone that I cannot rely on.

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  5. Just saying

    Why do we not take it one step further. How about we pass a law that states all non True Americans have to be deported. Have people forgotten that at some point we all were invaders into sovereign lands of Native Americans. African Americans were forced here through slave ships and trade. So you need to ask yourself, are you even a citizen intrinsically part of the USA or are you merely a unwelcome visitor on someones sovereign land.Another point I wish to make is quite simple, for the most part “illegal” Mexican immigrants who are doing nothing more than 99% of all our ancestors did, who also are not of the drug trade variety, which even people born in the USA are guilty of. On average have better, health, familial relations, than the wealthiest in our country for the first 5 years of residence. After that physical, and mental health issues increase sharply and there is a breakdown of the family. This all coincides with these immigrants picking up and adopting “American values,” so you need to ask what are we doing wrong and making us sick. Back to my previous point, Lets just give the land back to its rightful sovereign owners the Native Americans, btw I’m Caucasian of French German and Irish decent, in case you all were thinking I was somehow being racist.

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    1. Thaddeus Kosciuszko

      The dim-witted reactions of his detractors are accusations without evidence, i.e., injustice.

      However, their reactions are both reflexive and predictable—they are the reactions of trepidation to the fear of ideas that differ from those they learned from their party’s intransigent policy sheets.

      Their fears are an impediment to their evolution; thus, they remain trapped in the darkness of ignorance.

      T Kosciuszko

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    2. Chris

      @ The Anonymous poster claiming Ron Paul is a racist: Let me guess, Romney supporter or Bleeding heart liberal? It’s so easy to call people something they are not, when you are behind the safety of a keyboard. It’s people like you that have really let this country get run down. Just because the man isn’t a sheep and thinks for himself, doesn’t mean he is a racist (it’s not like he said that he wants to end immigration all together). If you want to live in a “country without borders” there are plenty out there in the world, so GTFO because some of us do not. As far as your revolution statement goes, every successful revolution needs a leader. Just sayin’. Further, why come to this site and spew your crap if you dislike the man? Your not changing anyones view on the issue and it just made you look ignorant and stupid. Oh yeah, by the way: Your whole argument is invalid.

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  7. LOL

    Cognitive-Theoretic Model of the Universe

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  8. trixie

    Apply for Social Security when you reach the appropriate age and find yourself waiting in a large room full of young men, women and their babies waiting to sign up for assistance for life. This is in a small county in Florida where the population is predominently retired, white & wealthy citizens who worked very hard and now have to share what they deserve with the undeserving.

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  9. Annon

    I Both support and disagree this stance. America was founded on inviting people to our land to be free. When America started people from all over the world were on boats to get here. I do not have a problem with people entering our country as long as we build regulations and guidelines for those who do not poses an american birth right citizenship. The best way to take care of this problem of illegals not paying taxes. Get rid of income tax and place tax on the products we buy. For those who are worried about the crime rates increasing its simple ramp up our civil police in those areas, and deny any offenders the rights to social welfare. For those who think this would cost american tax payers, how would it. If we force every one to pay taxes on the products we buy, there would be no way to avoid taxes. There would be no reason to file taxes any more either. Washington state has been taxing on the products we buy for years and its worked pretty well for them. why not do it as a country at large. Each state can charge a state tax on products and the federal gov can collect there taxes in the same manor. But hey that’s just my view. This would solve the problem of illegals not contributing to the american way.

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  10. WOW From Cali

    Walk into a public assistance office and sit there for a couple of hours in a Mexico border state. Most of the people you see going in to apply dont speak english, need the forms in another language, and have at least one small child with them or they are pregnant. Our driving test is even offered in languages I had never even heard of.

    If you go to a predominately hispanic part of town you are ostracized for not being hispanic and not being able to speak spanish in the United States of America! If you speak spanish then please still go there but act like the “niave American” and see what is being said directly to your face when they think you dont understand!

    When the American Public, by birth or legal immigration, is denied benefits that are supposed to be there for us in favor of an illegal (criminal) immigrant, when the American Public is discriminated against by illegal (criminal) immigrants simply because we are Americans THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG!

    People here are right, its not only Mexicans its every nationality in the world that is overtaking our country. They dont have to rob a store at gunpoint to be a criminal, the fact that they are here illegally makes them a criminal and they should be treated as such.

    If I rob a bank and claim it was to better the way of life for my family will Michelle Obama go on the news with my children and tell the public that they are going to help me like she did with the little girl in gradeschool who admited that her parents are here illegally? No, she wont. I would go to jail and my children would grow up without me, even if I said it was because I was denied public assistance because my state is broke but supporting thousands of illegal families and my children were living in my car. The welfare office will rent a house for an illegal family and supply everything they need but they’ll send my ass to a shelter.

    We were on the verge of economic collapse and we are struggeling to recover as a nation. How can you people look to your right and see your neighbors who worked and paid taxes lose their jobs, their houses, watch their children cry from devastation and say “oh poor you” then look to your left and see the illegal family living on welfare collecting benefits that should go to an American family and say “way to go buddy, you did the right thing for your family”?

    How can we recover and advance as a nation if our government is more concerned with taking care of everyone who comes here illegally than with our own citizens? How can we advance as a nation if so much of our resources are going to support those who cant work because of the simple fact that they came here illegally?

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    1. Proof is in the pudding!

      “Staggering Cost Of Illegal-Aliens In America-Taxpayers Taken To The Cleaners” Serious!!!! You don’t think this affects you….?

      Illegal alien migration into the United States costs American taxpayers $346 billion annually reported by the National Research Council. While employers of illegal aliens rake-in billions of dollars, the US citizens subsidize what may be called organized “Slavery in 21st Century America.” While Congress facilitates outsourcing, insourcing and offshoring of American jobs by the thousands weekly, that same Congress imports 182,000 legal immigrant monthly who need jobs. Another estimated 100,000 illegal aliens arrive each month without jobs. All those immigrants seize jobs from American citizens at slave wages.

      What happens to the American taxpayer?

      “Immigrants are poorer, pay less tax, and are more likely to receive public benefits than American citizens,” said Edwin Rubenstein, reporting on the National Research Council’s new book: “The New Americans: Economic, Demographics and Fiscal Effects of Immigration.” The Social Contract Winter 2007-08. http://www.thesoicalcontract.com

      The NRC found that the average immigrant household receives $13,326 in federal welfare and pays $10,664.00 in federal taxes. Thus, American taxpayers shell out $2,682.00 for each immigrant household.

      In addition, the report showed that immigrants affect 15 different executive agencies of the U.S. government.

      Earned Income Tax Credit-fraud is rampant and IRS does little to verify existence of children. Clean Air and Climate Change-these goals are unattainable as long as US population grows-driven by unending immigration. Emergency medical treatment-US taxpayer money provides $250 million a year to help hospitals defray costs for illegal aliens. Bureau of Land Management-the Interior Department spends $1 million to mitigate environmental damage done by illegals crossing US southern border. Migrant educational grants-intended to help states educate children of illegal workers. More fraud from over-counting. Office of Foreign Labor Certification-immigrant workers depress wages for US citizens resulting in declines in federal revenues at $100 billion annually.

      As shown on CBS with Katie Couric this past week, 300,000 pregnant Mexican women cross the border to birth their babies, known as ‘anchor babies’, in American hospitals at an average cost of $6,000.00 per birth with no complications. If the child suffers heart defects, Downs Syndrome, Autism or any other problems, the costs jump to $500,000.00 with long term care into the millions of dollars. All footed by the America taxpayer!

      Not mentioned in Couric’s report, that child enjoys free breakfasts and lunches through 13 years of publicly funded education at an average cost of $7,000.00 per year. Additionally, American taxpayers foot the bill for all medical and housing assistance for the child and mother. More hidden costs add up with ESL classes to teach the child English. Connecticut alone suffers 120 languages in their schools while Colorado suffers over 40 foreign languages that cripple their classrooms.

      The list of expenses paid for by American taxpayer soars with time and numbers of illegal aliens. Additionally, legal immigrants sponsor their relatives in chain migration and family reunification at US taxpayer expense.

      These immigrants take American jobs while they burn American taxpayer funds for immigrant welfare. This all happens while the US national debt approaches $10 trillion. Immigrants flood into this country while jobs cascade out to China where we owe $1 trillion in T-bills as of 2008. Additionally, we suffer a $700 billion annual trade deficit.

      Once those illegal aliens hit this country, half of them work off the books and do not pay $401 billion dollars annually according to the 2005 Bear Stearns Report. Additionally, they form the second largest underground economy in the world. Both legal and illegal immigrants send $80 billion back to their home countries in cash transfers on untaxed money.

      When does it end? Not any time soon! Who pays? You do! Like the proverbial golden calf, the United States taxpayer bleeds to death daily while our president and Congress fiddle, faddle and scratch their generous rear ends while they facilitate the death of America’s middle class.

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    2. Lerhin

      Could you tell me where do they give any kind of welfare to an illegal immigrant?! You are so stupid, it is just mind boggling!!! I am LEGAL IMMIGRANT in the US going to school here and I cannot get anything…neither can illegal immigrants!!! And just so you know, all the veggies and fruits that you eat were raised and picked by “criminals”, as you refer to them, because people like you cannot get your ass off your couches and do physical work.
      Another fact for ya: if they come here, they come to work! And they do! And MOST OF THEM PAY TAXES!!! but hardly get any tax returns.

      P.S. Go study the history of the US. California (and other states) used to be a part of Mexico…so I wonder why they speak Spanish there…. And I bet, you are American only because your ancestors came to the land of the USA ILLEGALLY!!!

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  11. Xyb

    My parents came to America some 20 years ago – legally. Yes, it’s difficult, but it’s possible and we are all citizens now. I think the main issue is to create more realistic ways for people from other countries to prove they can contribute to America’s economy legally. If you allow amnesty and birthright citizenship, in what way is it NOT encouraging people to break the law? I don’t blame immigrants for wanting to find a better life. Desperate times call for desperate measures. I would likely do the same if I were in their shoes and there’s not much to lose from their perspective. But we’re talking about America’s situation, and from the perspective of this country’s government, it’s irresponsible to allow its own borders to be loose. If taxpayers have to support those who don’t contribute taxes at all, in what way does that make sense? Now I’m sure a lot of us (I do at least) donate and volunteer and this and that, but let’s face it, though we may feel sympathy for those in other countries, America itself – as a country – is not a charity foundation. It’s not in the position to be one. It’s a wreck right now. Though it’s not the illegal immigrants’ fault, having a mass of them certainly doesn’t help our situation. As a country, we still need to support our own citizens and survive. Again, this is NOT saying we need to end immigration, but we need to filter out those who have to potential to help our economy versus those who are just here to eat off of the whole. We need to provide more options and smoother methods for people to work their way into citizenship here because without a realistic path, people end up screwing the rules and immigrating here illegally. By then, it’ll be our own fault that we never took action to prevent such a thing.

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  12. Chris

    I’ve have seen my friends, family and strangers lose their jobs then their homes over the last couple of years. The american dream should be for americans first but that is not the case anymore. I work in a school and I see american children come to school hungry every day while the children of illegal immigrants come to school well feed off the taxes dollars of americans. We as americans need to and should take care of our children. If we don’t take care of our children we have no business taking care of others. I want my taxe dollars to back into the schools. So yes I applaud Ron Paul for wanting to do something for our children and for not following the crowd.

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    1. Corvii

      Ha! You said “American”! “The American Dream is for Americans”! Don’t forget your place United States. “America” is the whole. You people are so self-righteous! And how do you know where these “well-feed” children get their sustenance? Do you check your facts often? Do you speak with each family, “American” or not, to find out how they get their income? How do you know all this? Oh that’s right, your the mighty school staff! Get real!

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  14. Disgusted

    Thedore Roosevelt said” We should insist that if the immigrant who comes here does in good faith become an American and assimilates himself to us he shall be treated on an exact equality with every one else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed or birth-place or origin.
    But this is predicated upon the man’s becoming in very fact an American and nothing but an American. If he tries to keep segregated with men of his own origin and separated from the rest of America, then he isn’t doing his part as an American. There can be no divided allegiance here. . . We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language, for we intend to see that the crucible turns our people out as Americans, of American nationality, and not as dwellers in a polyglot boarding-house; and we have room for but one soul loyalty, and that is loyalty to the American people.”

    Hmmm…
    I’m looking into moving to Ireland and I was told that after a year i could apply for citizenship but I would have to prove that I could support myself and not be a drain on the public welfare system. Why dont we try that? Give them a temporary card and 6 months to get a legal job and support themselves, if they can they get visas and start the citizenship process, if they cant they lose all welfare benefits and are sent home. Close the borders to restrict future illegal immigration, but those already here can have that chance.
    I do think that anyone with a drivers license needs to read and speak english, offering the drivers test in 14 languages is flat out ludicris.

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    1. Oath of office, treason, prosecute x 2

      Irish are emigrating out because there is no work. Your suppositions don’t hold up. I’m not leaving, the temporary workers are. The rich are using the government to f* us just like they did the indians. We’re the indians in this game.

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    2. Kristin

      I completely agree. As one of the few Native Americans left, I am probably the only person on this site whose family were not immigrants. This country was built by immigrants with the idea that anyone could have a fresh start here. Since when have people forgotten this!

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  15. **

    1. There is an online program that allows an employer to check the validity of social security numbers online through the government and the states encourage using it.
    2. Employers ARE fined if they are found to knowingly employ illegal immigrants and the fines go up for each subsequent offense. Many of the smaller companies are shut down because of their inability to pay those fines.
    3. I dont know where most of you live but I moved from CA to WA 8 yrs ago and back to CA last year. In both states I have seen and known many illegal immigrants that collect more between welfare, housing, food, utility and medical assistance than citizens who work a full time job.
    4. One argument here says that many have an ITIN and pay taxes – thats because they are here legally!
    5. Stop focusing on Mexicans because in Seattle its Russians, on the east coast is Cubans… The problem is not one country’s citizens illegally entering our country its that EVERY third world country’s citizens are illegally entering our country.
    6. If we get caught in another country without proper traveling papers we will be put in jail, but here we give them welfare.

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  16. Devil's Advocate

    If illegal immigration is a crime, how is it that the employers of illegal immigrants aren’t guilty of aiding and abetting? Seems like one of RP’s points ought to address that.

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    1. Herman

      Kaptur is running against Joe the Whore, Palin’s understudy
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_Hs4XEwF4w

      alt def
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB7jdjsFErM

      If that fool wins you know all the elections are rigged.

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  17. Name *

    According to Obama he’s “created” 3 million jobs, and issued 3 million “guest worker” visas. These people brought their families, ten times as many people entered illegally. Product quality deteriorates, labor costs remain constant.

    Meanwhile, while Bill Gates campaigns for an unlimited number of worker visas, over 1/3 of long term unemployed Americans have 4 year degrees and better, and there has been a huge surge in completed suicide by Americans over 40. Right now fewer Americans under 25 have jobs and are developing critical experience than at any time since the US government started measuring employment.
    I live in CA. What illegal immigration has done to our infrastructure is appalling, yet the law openly encourages it and open discriminates against white people. Illegal Mexicans are #1, Orientals #2, Indians #3. These population bombs are destroying the middle class.

    I’ve worked with guest workers from all over the world, they do not provide skills we don’t have. Some are very good but none are more important than the unemployed Americans they are slowly kill. The difference between what Bill Gates says and what is true over qualifies him for an Al Gore Prize. The propaganda against Americans is deep.

    He’s bringing in people with fake degrees, degrees from unaccredited schools who have done less work than I did in my 1st 2 years of community college. But Gates insists a degree counts. Where did he get his degree? Oh, thats right. Neither Gates nor Jobs nor most outstanding entrepreneurs completed college. So what exactly college does is a synthetic gatekeeper function, to accomplish social engineering objectives and insulate the ruling class.

    What are you going to do about this? Our lives truly depend on it. Right now. I have no problem helping people, but not at the expense of my family. We are being sacrificed for some BS ideals.

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  18. Obama Shadow Campaign

    Immigration attorneys from Cohen & Grigsby explain how they assist employers in running classified ads with the goal of NOT finding any qualified applicants, and the steps they go through to disqualify even the most qualified Americans in order to secure green cards for H-1B workers. See what the Federal government really mean by a “shortage of skilled U.S. workers.” Microsoft, Oracle, Hewlett-Packard, and thousands of other companies are running fake ads in Sunday newspapers across the country each week.

    

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCbFEgFajGU

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  19. RM

    I think Ron Paul doesn’t know much about immigration. Don’t get me wrong, he’s a great politician and has good intentions. However, it looks like he has not taken the time to learn about the real causes of immigration and stop defending the myth of “They come here to use our hospitals, schools and welfare. They come here to get everything for free”. This myth is as absurd as “They attacked us because we’re free and prosperous”.

    Ron Paul needs to learn that immigration is just a type of “blowback”, a direct consequence of “us meddling in the internal affairs of other countries”. Mexicans aren’t interested in welfare or using our hospitals and schools. These are not incentives for them. They come here because they want a job and that’s their only incentive. Mexicans already have high quality free health care in their own country, national housing programs superior to any in the US, public education and low cost state universities.

    The only thing Mexico doesn’t have is jobs! And this is due to decades of poor government administration by politicians imposed by Washington through fraud and media manipulation. Mexico has suffered exploitation of its resources, draining its wealth which ended it up in the hands of guess who, American corporations.

    A great example is NAFTA which left millions of Mexicans unemployed. Many came to the US looking for a job while others stayed in Mexico and became drug traffickers.

    I think Dr. Paul should reconsider his hostile stance against illegal immigrants. I think the immigration problem is not a problem for Americans but a problem for Mexicans. They would prefer to stay at their home country with their friends and family instead of risking their life to come to a country that hates immigrants and steals the “fruits of their labor” (Yes, they pay taxes through fake SSN’s and don’t receive the associated benefits)

    For this reason, I personally believe in solving this problem by cancelling NAFTA and having a non-interventionist policy toward Mexico. It’s time for the US to stop creating poverty and imposing puppet regimes in Mexico. We won’t have illegal immigrants coming here when we leave Mexico alone and bring back all our corporations from there which pay miserable salaries to Mexicans. We need them HERE and paying us well !

    I hope Ron Paul reads this and is inspired to start his own research about the real causes of immigration. He’s a brilliant guy and the myths about immigration that he’s spreading will only hurt his political image. He should also be aware that millions of people who once were illegal are now citizens and so are their children. They certainly won’t vote for anyone that believes in such absurd myths. They are an insult to hard-working Mexicans which are the majority.

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  20. Ron Paul, I wont VOTE FOR ANY ONE, BUT I WILL MAKE SURE MY LATINO OR HISPANIC friends DONT VOTE FOR YOU, and IM NOT EVEN HISPANIC OR LATINO

    Bunch of garbage:

    Physically secure our borders and coastlines. secure what? at first you are the damn idiots who are arming drug-dealers in Mexico, and doing money laundry with them, in case of terrorism, so sad that terrorists attacks or attempts are actually made by LEGAL AMERICANS. <Ron you fail on this one

    Enforce visa rules. expired visas? If im doing some kind of business or anything that benefits the united staes i dont think you bastard will even bother to find me if my visa is expired

    No amnesty. ??? after you give guns or weapons to criminals in Mexico and many are dying because of that, you expect NO AMNESTY?

    No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed LEGAL IMMIGRANTS THAT CAN AFFORD TO TRAVEL TO THE UNITED STATES LEGALLY, while ILLEGALS find it too hard to do it the LEGAL WAY, it is kind of hard for the low-class people in Mexico to get a damn visa or passport, and about welfare? then you will get all the illegal workers taxes, and they will get nothing back? at least a damn pencil in the school and some medicine for health?

    End birthright citizenship.???? i wish you could be the victim of such garbage like end of birthright citizenship, so you can live the same hell as your parents back in their home country.

    Pass true immigration reform. waiting periods? yeah try waling for three days in desert with little water, try crossing the river, try to survive the way along snakes, scorpions and the heat of the sun,

    United states of America, A CHRISTIAN NATION or A NARCISSIST NATION? just a pathetic nation, that will even name one of city, THE CITY OF SIN.

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    1. sick and tired

      you have no idea what the hell you are even talking about, it does not make any sense, because you do not have your facts straight

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  21. Eric

    1) I really don’t think illegal immigrants come here expecting to receive welfare. Some (certainly not the majority, if you only consider the most direct forms of government assistance) receive it because there is an open door for it that perhaps should be closed.

    2) I’ve heard the argument that illegal immigrants drain the social security system, don’t pay any taxes and only leech on taxpayer funded benefits. However, granted that most work with fake social security numbers and have direct deductions on their pay checks, they are funding a system which they will never be able to tap into. Finally, you all would be surprised how many illegal immigrants actually file and pay income taxes (can never receive some sort of tax credit b/c lack a SS#). The government issues ITIN numbers to individuals without social security numbers to pay taxes, and many use it to declare their income as self-employment and no standard deductions allowed for others. The motivation for this, other than moral convictions, is the idea spread in immigrant communities that “one day they’ll give us a path to residency, but only to those who have been ‘playing by the rules’ to the extent of paying taxes.” I’m not sure what the numbers are, in absolute and relative terms, but it’d be very interesting to see. I also suspect they’re not nearly as burdensome to taxpayers in net than what it’s made out to be, although I’m sure the numbers are hard to project, and would be even less if welfare benefits were put completely out of reach.

    3) I find the it quite repugnant and un-American to make citizenship not a birth right. Does it incentivize immigration (legal or illegal) by those coming from poorer countries? Certainly. Does this mean the right thing to do is get right of it? Certainly not. I wonder what Dr. Paul would do if in his adulthood, having been born and raised in America, as an American, his entire life, playing by all the rules, he found out that his parents had immigrated illegally some time before his birth, and that he was actually not an American citizen. Would he move back to “his” country?

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    1. Kevin

      As for not getting citizenship for a birth in the states, like it was said in the video, illegals actually see it as a goal now to come and have their child in the U.S. just for that reason. That is dishonest, why can’t they go about it more legitimate way and apply for citizenship just like the true Americans have been doing for years and years. There is nothing wrong with doing things legally. And by the way, you’d be surprised at how many illegals come here with the purpose of receiving welfare. They actually have classes in Mexico and the U.S. that teach how to go about doing it. Look it up if you don’t believe me. I love Ron Pauls illegal immigration stance.

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      1. RM

        Which classes are you talking about? Please provide your sources of information. There are no classes in Mexico for that purpose.

        Most Mexicans don’t even know nor care about social assistance programs when they leave Mexico. They just care about getting a job and improving their life conditions.

        Once they come to America and find out they will be paid half the minimum wage because they’re illegal, then they have to find a way to see a doctor when they’re sick and not have to pay thousands of dollars that they don’t have.

        Some are forced to use welfare but again, I do not personally know of any Mexican that uses welfare or public hospitals. These are just myths. Most Mexicans I personally know PAY to see a doctor or they simply not get medical attention when they need it.

        Their children DO use our public schools but so do the children of American citizens and legal residents.

        Mexicans are just scapegoats. If you don’t like immigration, do something to get NAFTA cancelled and bring our corporations home (We NEED them here not in Mexico). Let’s tell the US government to stop planning and financing election fraud in Mexico so that the true leaders of the people can reach the presidency instead of US puppets like Fox, Calderon, Salinas, etc. who only work for rich on both sides of the border.

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    2. Dawn

      There is a reason its called “Citizenship”, because we are Citizens! If they are not here lawfully they are here Illegally. Illegal immigrants should be deported no questions asked. They should not receive any form of public assistance except for a plane ticket home. If they come here illegally and have a child they should still be sent back and the child can return as a citizen when they are adults, the parents if and when they apply for and jump through the hoops to be here legally.
      If youre born here or you work you ass off to become a citizen you are a citizen, otherwise youre a criminal. If I break the law in this country that I was born in (as well as my parents, grandparents, great grandparents and so on for 11 generations) I go to jail. They come here and get food, money housing etc for doing nothing more than breaking the law!

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  22. Dr. Khan

    I do not agree with no healthcare for illegal immigrants. If the US taxpayer dollars can be used to treat the american who doesn’t work, does not contribute to the economy (despite not having any kind of disability) but apparently has the right to healthcare solely because his prior generations were born here; why can’t these tax dollars also be used to pay for the healthcare of the illegal immigrant who is at least working for less than minimum wage and contributing to the US economy. We are all immigrants or children of immigrants. When the initial generations came to this country they didn’t have all these immigration laws – this land belonged to the native americans then…

    I ask you all, if an illegal immigrant comes to the ER with a heart attack should he not be treated regardless of his immigration status? I’m a physician and I can’t fathom the idea of refusing to treat a patient because he is not rich enough and is not a legal alien. “Sorry Mr. Gomez since you are not a US citizen or a legal alien your life is not worth saving” – do we really want to be people who say that or want that said? At the end of the day we should remember that we are all human beings first and americans second and no healthcare for illegal immigrants is rather immoral and unethical. Just because one is blessed to be born in this country doesn’t mean one’s life is in any way superior to human beings born in economically underprivileged countries. We don’t get to choose where we are born. Everyone should have the right to free healthcare because all human lives are just as precious whether it’s an american or mexican.

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    1. Corvii

      Dr. Khan,
      You are an example of the values that this country was founded on. All these people here claiming to be true “Americans” could use a little bit of those kind of ethics. Human equality, regardless of circumstance. You have my respect.

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    so i came here to inform myself but I ended up reading the comments and all i have to say is that all the hispanics i know have never been on welfare ( im hispanic) and everyone in my family and my hispanic friends have never been on welfare. Most people don’t plan to live here. most of the time its the eldest child who comes, they planned to make some money to send back to their families, but end up staying because they have kids or they need the money to support their sick or younger relatives. most are afriad to apply for anything because they think the goverment will track you and deport you. my friend’s sister answered the door to an ICE official looking for her father claiming something was wrong with their car and insisted for information from a 12 year old girl getting ready for school. this make people really suspicions and afraid to reveal any personal info.

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    1. Devil's Advocate

      Undocumented workers are being scapegoated by a political policy designed to maintain a cheap and disposable labor force. No one who knows these people as neighbors or coworkers considers them a threat. Can we really claim that migrant farm workers and domestic servants are criminals for risking their lives to fill our economic dependency on them?

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  24. Scott H

    #1: Physically secure our borders and coastlines.
    Why not demand that Mexico secure the border, since as a good neighbor, they should have some obligation to stop it’s residents from invasion?

    #2. No amnesty.
    RP says no amnesty and then says children currently born within the US could stay (#4) – doesn’t make sense. What about people who have been here and have been paying taxes for 30 years? Are we really going to deport them?

    #3. No welfare for illegal aliens.
    I tend to agree, however, they do pay taxes, companies hire them and work them like dogs (in many cases), and in many cases companies base their entire business model based on hiring illegal aliens. What would be the economic impact if we stopped this?

    #4. End birthright citizenship.
    a. My understanding is that there is no such thing.
    b. If we are going to allow the children born within the US to stay (per RP) – who is going to take care of them if we deport their parents?

    #5. Pass true immigration reform.
    Agreed – but kind of an ambiguous and redundant statement don’t you think?

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    1. Devil's Advocate

      #1 is a waste of tax money so long as US employers continue to hire undocumented workers with impunity.

      #s 2-5 only treat the symptoms of our economic dependency on having a cheap and disposable work force, without addressing the cause, which is US employers who hire undocumented workers.

      #6 is a political red herring. 911 wasn’t caused by undocumented migrant farm workers and domestic servants.

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  25. Susu

    Isn’t ending Birthright Citizenship against the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution?

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    1. Evan

      They’re called amendments because they can be changed.

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    2. D...

      Yes but you have to be an American for that amendment to apply

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  26. D...

    I do not believe that all immigrants are criminals however, if you look at it from the perspective of a working class American that pays taxes that go to funding illegal immigrants for healthcare and food and schools that they do not pay taxes on, it is basically stealing from the working class. I believe that immigrants should come here, but only legally. Yes they do have rights too, but they do not have American rights until they become an American. The constitution was wrote for Americans, however in some way we are all immigrants through our family ancestry. The only difference is that they all came here and done it legally. I think that they should activate the national guard or military of some sort to the boarders and patrol them all day every day to help stop illegal immigrants. In the long run if this does not stop there will continue to be only two working class… the rich and the poor and America will become the new Mexico.

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  27. Devil's Advocate

    RP says that, “A nation without borders is no nation at all”, but by not addressing the hiring of undocumented workers he implies that, “A nation with porous borders is good for business”. The inevitable result is an economic vs security paradox, where American employers expect border security to safely operate their businesses AND border porosity to supply undocumented workers. Mix in the increased political pressure to allow “homeland security” to respond to border porosity, and the snake begin to swallow its tail.

    If it’s correct for American employers to hire undocumented workers, why is it incorrect for undocumented workers to enter our country illegally?

    “Contradictions do not exist. Whenever you think that you are facing a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong.” ~ Ayn Rand

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  28. Rex

    BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP must be ended. It is time to end this fraud perpetuated on the USA. The Illegal alien mothers know darn well what they’re doing when they come to deposit their babies on USA soil. They know that between them and their offspring, they are given: Free births, WIC, food stamps, etc.

    I don’t know about other nations, but the offspring born to Mexican citizens born on USA soil are considered Mexican citizens.

    I think it’s high time the Mexicans stop letting their own government off the hook.

    Besides, when they march in our streets waving Mexican flags and chanting Viva Mexico, maybe they should return to the nation that has “done so much for them.”..And for any ANCHOR BABIES who marched in our streets doing the same, they should go to Mexico and see that Mexico does for them what they demand from the USA.

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  29. Rex

    1. We as Legal USA Citizens are entitled to Secure borders and enforced Immigration laws. Period!……And without FALSE ACCUSATIONS of: Racism, Xenophobism and Nativism.

    Q: Where’s all the racist and xenophobe accusations directed at MEXICO? MEXICO enforces its own immigration laws and tries to secure its border. They even have this Tren de la Muerte (Train of Death) and MEXICO kills, rapes and robs ILLEGAL ALIENS and yet, we’re supposed to shower our ILLEGAL ALIENS with all manner of services?

    When POLITICIANS (Both Parties) say Illegal Aliens are doing the jobs Americans won’t do, our Politicians should look in the mirror. They certainly fit that description.

    2. NAU (N. American Union) and SPP (Security and Prosperity Partnership): The plan to merge: Canada, the USA and Mexico together.

    2b. RECONQUISTA-AZTLAN (the plan to reclaim the former Mexican Territory ranging from the state of CA to CO-TX) is being piggybacked onto the NAU-SPP plan.

    2c. Many Politicians of BOTH PARTIES at all government levels are in on this plan (particularly if they belong to the CFR).

    2d. ThisNAU-SPP is also why our POLITICIANS allow our SCHOOLS to teach RECONQUISTA-AZTLAN through: LA RAZA, MEChA and other CHICANO Studies.

    This is also why our Politicians allow these entities to operate promoting the ILLEGAL ALIEN-OPEN BORDER-NAU-SPP Agenda and allow: La Raza, MEChA, MAPA, MALDEF, La Voz de Aztlan, the Mexica Movement, La Oferta, El Observador, the Brown Berets, Univision, etc to operate with complete impunity in our nation.

    This is why they allowed ILLEGAL ALIENS to march through our streets with complete impunity demanding AMNESTY and the DREAM ACT (while proudly waving their MEXICAN FLAGS and chanting “Viva Mexico” and foisting up the Mexican flags on top of USA flags or flying the USA flags upside down.

    USA Flags are used as PROPS: They were told it “looked bad” to be waving so many Mexican flags….That’s the only reason you see USA flags.

    Also, the movie of MACHETE was released on MAY 1st, the COMMUNIST MAY-DAY holiday and the actor DANNY TREJO said very threateningly, “This is a Message for Arizona.”

    Now, why was this tolerated?

    3. BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP of those born to ILLEGAL ALIENS: Why haven’t our gutless-wonder politicians ended this yet?

    4. E-VERIFY: Why hasn’t this been forced on ALL EMPLOYERS yet?

    Q: Why are USA CITIZENS forced to pay for ILLEGAL ALIENS and their ANCHOR BABIES through: FREE births, WIC, food stamps, housing, LEGAL aide, language aide, FREE school (including free breakfasts-lunches) and the DREAM ACT (CA also provides financial aide to Illegal Aliens now as well) thanks to the urging of GIL CEDILLO (while the state of CA is flat broke)!

    5. GLOBAL GOVERNMENT PLAN of Abolishing Borders and merging them into blocs. The E.U. was first, we’re next with the NAU-SPP.

    5b. For those who think RONALD REAGAN (a BOHEMIAN GROVE ATTENDEE) was such a hero, think about this: There could NOT be a EUROPEAN UNION with the BERLIN WALL still standing….There could not be an upcoming NAU (N. American Union) without the 1986 AMNESTY and then opening up the floodgates for ILLEGAL ALIENS to pour in (for work and all manner of services) to entice them and no border security or immigration enforcement!

    Yes, our politicians are well aware of this GLOBAL GOVERNMENT PLAN. Why else do they serve their GLOBALIST MASTERS, the Banksters, the Federal Reserve and Corporations so faithfully and threw their own citizens under the bus?

    Finally, I don’t know if I trust RON PAUL either, not after his (SCAPEGOATING LLEGAL-ALIEN comment). Sure, he opposes the FED RESERVE, but, he recently said (we were “SCAPEGOATING ILLEGAL ALIENS”).

    Hmm, does this mean, he won’t secure our borders or enforce our immigration laws either? Will he still force us to pay for ILLEGAL ALIENS and their ANCHOR BABIES?

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  34. Devil's Advocate

    If it’s correct for American employers to hire undocumented workers, why is it incorrect for undocumented workers to enter our country illegally?

    “Contradictions do not exist. Whenever you think that you are facing a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong.” ~ Ayn Rand

    American borders are intended to provide a safe environment for Americans to “pursue their happiness”. American borders are not intended to provide a steady flow of cheap, disposable labor so that employers who hire undocumented workers can gain a competitive advantage over employers who don’t. It’s the worst kind of intellectual dishonesty, of corrupt ethical values, to claim support for a “free market” that depends on a threat of deportation to contract for labor.

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    1. SoCalAmerican

      So it’s ok for a business to go overseas and pay those employees with the American money but its not ok for business to stay here and pay people that live in America so they can spend their money here in America. ??? And AMERICAN EMPLOYERS SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO HIRE WHO EVER THEY LIKE. It’s their business they should run it how they please

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      1. Devil's Advocate

        An “AMERICAN” business, protected by “AMERICAN” law, ought to practice according to the terms of the license it agrees to operate under. Those which cross borders to employ cheap labor else where are certainly entitled to practice according to local law, and pay with local currency. They at least are not aiding and abetting illegal immigration here, and they are not contributing to the hundreds of deaths that occur each year in illegal border crossings.

        You can’t have it both ways, SoCalAmerican. If, as you et al assert, undocumented workers only take jobs Americans don’t want, it makes more sense for American employers to cross borders to where this cheap labor force lives. Certainly the wages they earn will go further in their home communities than here in ours; and they won’t risk their lives just to go to work!

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        1. Devil's Advocate

          Undocumented workers do not owe their soul to our company store.

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        2. SoCalAmerican

          It seems like you are missing the point. People cross over here to the US to find jobs an opportunity to survive. Yea maybe it will work if companies take there business across the border and emply them over there, but there is a lot of curruption over in other countries and it will be hard for the company to operate. I understand your point completely but many people will break the rules like they are now to help hard working people. So why not chance the laws and I know Ron Paul is trying to make an immigration reform so it can be easier to come here legally and not having to cross the border illegally and having all these deaths…

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          1. Devil's Advocate

            The point being missed is: you can’t have it both ways; either the borders ARE secured and American employers only hire from a legal workforce, OR the borders remain porous and American employers hire “whoever they want”. A rational policy on immigration MUST address every element of one agenda or the other.

            RP says that, “A nation without borders is no nation at all”, but by not addressing the hiring of undocumented workers he implies that, “A nation with porous borders is good for business”. The inevitable result is an economic vs security paradox, where American employers expect border security to safely operate their businesses AND border porosity to supply undocumented workers.

            Mix in the increased political pressure to allow “homeland security” to respond to border porosity, and the snake begin to swallow its tail.

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      2. Name *

        You lost me when you said everyone breaks the law. I do not. Even though I see liars and thieves like yourself getting ahead by looting, I go to great lengths to obey the law, because I would not want someone to do this to me.

        Your premise that “everyone breaks the law so its ok” disqualifies you for US citizenship. Even if George Washington was your ancestor. If I ever do break the law, it will be to eliminate you and your ilk. I won’t be acting alone.

        I sincerely hope someone else who thinks “everyone breaks the law so its ok” kills you. Its the example you should be.

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  35. hello

    1. we bring our troops back.
    2. we help the countries on our continent first
    3. Immigration slows because people have the same opportunities
    5. we all work together to help other countries rebeling against their corrupted county and stop foreign attacks against us.

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    1. Devil's Advocate

      I agree with points 1 & 3, not 2, am curious what happened to 4, and respectfully suggest we begin with point 5 by rebelling against the corrupt business practices of our own country first, before choosing sides elsewhere.

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      1. hello

        sorry my mistake. I was typing fast. I do agree with you about fixing our country’s businesses first. Though with help from returning soliders we can put an end to corruption faster because its not just civilians but also men and women who fought for our rights. and for i think 4 will be
        4. the goverment makes its own real money.

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        1. hello

          type in The American Dream Film-Full Length in youtube so that 4 has some sense to it.

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          1. Devil's Advocate

            Roger on #4, so we agree of 4 out of 5 of your points… not bad ;o)

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    2. Name *

      Thats what we were doing, until enemy agents installed the Federal Reserve. Don’t take my word for it, its well documented. I think the high point of the USA was 1848, when the Dope excommunicated all people living in non-secular republics, because the American revolution inspired similar revolutions in the colonies. Btw the Vatican has never redacted that decree; according to the catholic empire, we are all going to Hell. Imo this threat in no way justifies making this world a hell, as they have done, and still conspire to do.

      For extra credit research which American politicians have been awarded knighthoods by which foreign powers. Its very disturbing truth. Al Gore has even worse friends…

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