Illegal Immigration

Illegal immigrants are a convenient scapegoat for our economic crisis. But with free markets and private property, the need for immigrant labor becomes obvious. Most immigrants, regardless of the color of their skin, are open to the ideals of liberty: private property, free markets, sound money, right to life, low taxes, less war, protection of civil liberties, and a foreign policy designed for peace.

Ron Paul proposed the following action steps for dealing with illegal immigration:

  1. Abolish the welfare state. The incentive to take a job at whatever wage available must prevail.
  2. Establish a generous visitor work program. Once we solve the economic crisis by introducing sound money, demand for domestic and immigrant labor will rise.
  3. Enforce the laws on the books with more border guards. Allow states and landowners to enforce the law and provide security assistance.
  4. Abolish birthright citizenship for children of illegal immigrants. [Current U.S. citizens will not be affected. Instead, babies born to illegals after a future cutoff date will no longer gain automatic U.S. citizenship. They will still have citizenship in their parents’ home countries.]
  5. End all federal mandates on the states to provide free education and medical care for illegal immigrants.

  • CarolFryer

    By the ticket I meant meet the qualifications and follow the law. If the law allows for a lottery right now I guess thats your best bet. I personally dissagree with a lottery totally, but then I think the whole system needs an overhaul if its not functioning the way its written. On that note though I wouldnt trust this congress to do anything right.

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  • CarolFryer

    I think the whole idea is that you have to buy the ticket and meat the qualifications, but even that is only the beginning. You have corruption in every branch of government and it may take longer then you want, and someone may demand to get paid off. Its sad but these things are not prosecuted too often and people have even been caught selling fake IDs.

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  • SteveKillgo

    Easy Peggy! Just give ICE a call. They will do the rest.

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  • CarolFryer

    What is wrong with breaking the law? Where do you live. I wont tell you when Im coming. I will take your couch and see what you think of breaking the law then.

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  • algmitchell

    I really like Ron Paul but I have some issues with his six steps and how he orders them. I believe first and foremost if we need to address the shortage of workers in our country. Yes there is unemployment but how many of these unemployed people would be lining up to pick fruit in the fields of California or work on the dairy farms in Idaho? Institute a guest worker program to address our need for workers and the immigrant workers could be taxed. This is simply the law of supply and demand. If there was not a strong demand for illegal immigrant workers than the people hiring coyotes will likely choose a legal way rather than an illegal way to come to the US. Next- I have helped several individuals go through the full immigration process legally. It takes 3-5 years and lots of money. During that process there are many times mistake could have been made and the individuals visa status/ green card status ect. could have been in jeopardy. What is wrong with granting amnesty to those individuals who have repeatedly shown that they are trying to be here in the US legally, through petitions, and filling this or that immigration form again?

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    • PhilD

      . Wrong, that is not simply supply and demand. Supply and demand would be having to pay legal workers more to do the same job because there is more demand for those type of workers. When demand is up so is the value of what is in demand. So what if it takes time and money to become a citizen. We should make there be no rules to follow so that no pending immigrant could break any rules? How about this, don’t make a mistake. There is no shortage of workers that a a fallacious statement. Hire American citizens be cause you should. Because this is America.

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      • CarolFryer

        @PhilD When I was poor and desperate enough I would go to blueberry fields and pick fruit. If you have kids to feed, the only way you wont is if someone gives you a free or much easier option. You will take it no matter who it hurts. The government is the one that pushes those options and sends the taxpayers the bill. Its not the only thing that has hurt this nation but it hurts. Washington is so full of things that have destroyed us.

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    • jjohn

      @algmitchell Did you make a commitment to be responsible for all the fiscal burdens created by the immigrants you sponsored?

      If not, you should be ashamed of yourself – either because of your ignorance — or because you knowing encourage the importation of huge fiscal burdens into our country that are just dumped on the American taxpayer?

      For the typical Mexican immigrant, we are importing huge social costs when they come into the country. They are net tax recipients — which means they consume far more tax dollars than they pay. Go to Dr. George Borjas site Center for Immigration studies. Borjas is a Harvard professor and an immigrant himself. Visit NumbersUSA and any of the countless other sites that give statistics on this manner.

      I think you’ll soon discover that your imaginary halo is actually a “glow in the dark” duncecap.

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    • SteveKillgo

      @algmitchell

      Illegal is illegal! Do you not understand the word illegal? Do something illegal and you get busted! Not citizenship!

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    • john lockes ghost

      algmitchell: Have you ever been out of work for an extended period? If so, then you should remember that you’d take any respectable job, such as those mentioned as most unemployed people would. .As regards to amnesty, or whatever else it might be named to give citizenship to these invaders, the answer is no, not now, not ever. @algmitchell

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      • CarolFryer

        @john lockes ghost@algmitchell It just really irks me that the government refuses to spend money on the things that they are supposed to and then way overspends on what is totally unconstitutional, then has the nerve to tell us they dont have money to protect the borders or enforce immigration laws. They are lieing and they are just too stupid or arogant to think we cant see that. I would get fired from my job if I kept trying to do everyone elses job and ignored my own.

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  • CarolFryer

    Peggy its not just in cities. This problem is popping up all over because government is more and more guaranteeing their right to do these things. I own my home and a family of illegals with a citizen boyfriend moved in across from me. My kids were smaller then. Her children, and there were 6 of them, all little, would catch my son whenever he went outside and beat him up. We went through this for some time. I tried to make peace with her and let her boyfriend barrow my lawnmower. He tightened it up because he said it wasnt going fast enough without asking me and totally destroyed the engine. I had to go buy another because he just felt he was not responsible at all for the damage. Then they got highly offended that I wouldnt let them take my new one. lol The following year we went to the public pool for some cooling off and she was there with her kids who of course attacked my developementally delayed son immediately with not so much as an eyebrow raised. I havent gone back there since. Im not sure I have any advice other then moving, but you may run into it again no matter where you go. Im in a rural area. They finally moved and the trailer was taken away, thank God. We havent run into the problem again since. But thats not to say we wont. And I know its got to be much harder being in the same building with all the noise. I feel for you. Theres no escape. Ive actually been in that situation too though. And most times its impossible to prove they are illegal without racial profiling. We have to thank the wonderful left for that one.

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  • emperorjhan

    I am a landlord myself, if you know that there are more people living ion the apartment than the tenant have disclosed you could easiely tell your landlord, or in NY, your health and fire department.

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  • micka

    I think it is your duty as a citizen to report illegal immigrants to the authorities. It may or may not do any good, but no harm in trying at least.Contact DHS or ICE maybe.

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  • Langbent

    I agree with Ron Paul on immigration. Our immigration problem is due in part to behavior and choices of American citizens. Some examples. Mid 1970’s person arrives on a vistor visa our immigration offical said he would “hold her Visa”, they could pick it up when leaving the country. An Immigration Officers would not keep a Vistor Visa unless they were going to sell it on the black market. Illegal works under another SS, saying that wasn’t a problem because Americans can’t tell a persons gender in Chinese names. California DMV workers caught accepting money for providing licenses to illegals. L.A. County travel agency on the local news explains his agency promotes Maternity Travel services in China to pregnant women which provides housing & medical services during their stay. These women believe their children will have a better future by having an American passport. These women do return to China with their American born children. As for me every resident in this country is responsible for doing their part to end illegal immigration. This country is my home and I believe we have a say in who we let inside. End birth right citizenship and providing services to illegals no matter what country they come from. This isn’t about race.

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  • CarolFryer

    the republican party is loosing everyones vote. Ron Paul is the only one who gets it. The rest on both sides are treasonous, from Obama and Nancy Piglosi to John Bone head Boehner.

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    • john lockes ghost

      I think that you do get it. We are a nation in crisis. We have allowed foreigners to invade our country, we have a government that is self-serving, while the general population suffers, a government that is responsible for shipping American jobs overseas. @CarolFryer

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    • jjohn

      @CarolFryer What is pathetic is how the republicans actually portray that they have a sense of “macho-ism” when they speak out against cleaner air standards or for other tough environmental measures — measures that undoubtedly improve the quality of life and reduce the health risks caused by certain emissions like mercury from coal powered plants.

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      • CarolFryer

        @jjohn I agree with you john. The only problem Ive had with this is that the polution issue has been automatically connected to a global warming issue that has not been totally proven to me. I dont see any weather change other then the normal ones. And no other proof gets offered other then what they say got lost. Im not going for that one. Im registered republican and Ive come to actually see the far right as a war machine. They defend it to the hilt like the far left defends the global warming issue. So Ive stopped trusting any of them. Ron Paul has been consistant and I listen carefully to the totality of what he says and I agree with it. I like his stands. I was watching him a little earlier on Cspan. Its always a treat to hear him speak, unlike the other who are full of lies and boredom. With them, all I hear is agendas.

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  • whyme

    the republican party is losing the latin american vote for a long time by being so stubborn and short sighted in their approach to immigration. the vast majority of hispanics are law abiding, hard working and very patriotic (just look at the names of the fallen heros in the iraq and afghanistan war). the gop has already lost the black vote forever with it’s racist history and now they are alienating the fastest growing segment of the U.S. population. this does not bode well for a party that is so weak that it cannot defeat a vulnerable obama. more and more latin americans are playing a key role in many of the swing states. wake up republicans before it is too late. many hispanic families share the gop “values”, but you are pushing them further away.

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    • PhilD

      @whyme GOP and it’s racist past? You mean Abraham Lincoln freeing the slaves? Or the Republican north versus the democratic slave owning southerners? Or are you talking about how the republicans started the civil rights movement? Could you be referring to the democrat kkk leaders? It is not about race or color it is about being in this country illegally and milking the system. There is a way to become of legal status in this country. There is no reason to portray it as impossible,when it is easier to gain legal status in America than most other countries.

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  • CarolFryer

    Correct me if Im wrong, but I dont even know one person with an Irish accent. I do however know many many hispanics that have thick accents. That does not mean they are automatically illegal. But your comment doesnt hold water about dark skinned Irish being stopped daily. Where are these people? Once again take one person to use as an excuse for an agenda to excuse countless others. And it doesnt even fly.

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    • micka

      @CarolFryer

      Has nothing to do with accent. Has to do with where you live( border states)and the attitude of the Border Patrol and other law enforcement. This boy who gets stopped all the time lives north of Douglas, AZ, the city where this Fall the Border Patrol shot IN THE BACK and KILLED a US teenager who was climbing on the border fence. He had thrown a rock at the BP. He may have been a problem child, but did he need to die for it? Driving home from a an evening out with 3 old ladies in the car last night, BP followed so close that I could not see the front of the truck, only blinding headlights for the whole 40 miles it took to deliver everyone to their homes. Then I, 70 years old, turned around and confronted them, and the little twits didn’t even answer me, just sped away. Little thugs in uniform.

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      • CarolFryer

        @micka I can understand this because its so into the most problemed area. Why on earth would an American teen throw a rock at border patrol and then climb a border fence. And I guess you think they should just stand there and smile at him. Why do people think there shouldnt be consequences anymore for actions. God dealt with me even at one time about letting my kids go to run into their own walls. They either grow up or like this child, die. If his mother couldnt stop him, these guys are supposed to read his mind and say, oh this is a troubled child. He can slam us in the face with rocks and we cant do anything. Sorry, again youre not making sense. Either the border agents are in danger or the assailent, which in this case was sadly a teenager. I get it , its sad, but he becomes a poster child for your agendas. No

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      • SteveKillgo

        @micka@CarolFryer

        If you couldn’t see the front of the truck you sure could not see the headlights!

        70? Yea right!

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        • micka

          @SteveKillgo@CarolFryer

          So, how do you see the front of the truck when the headlights are so close to you that they fill your rearview? You can’t. It’s called “glare”. How old are you, seven? Must not be old enough to drive at night.

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  • CarolFryer

    Correct me if Im wrong, but I dont even know one person with an Irish accent. I do however know many many hispanics that have thick accents. That does not mean they are automatically illegal. But your comment doesnt hold water about dark skinned Irish being stopped daily. Where are these people? Once again take one person to use as an excuse for an agenda to excuse countless others. And it doesnt even fly.

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  • CarolFryer

    The citizens are already carrying all the ID the government has already required. Its only illegals they dont want to have ID. I wonder why? Oh yes we mustnt forget its time to vote and dead great grandma needs to vote a few more times just for memory.

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    • JohnKPortland

      @CarolFryer I’m not sure how everyone here can be in favor of personal rights then turn around and say that the police can walk around and ask for your papers. Kind of east german isn’t it?

      I wish Ron Paul would drop the hard line illegal immigration thing. It needs to be address, but we don’t have to go all totalitarian.

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      • CarolFryer

        @JohnKPortland The problem I see is applying the rights of citizens to no citizens. Our constitution applies to us unless otherwise stated. The liberal and global faction have re interpreted the constitution to give our rights and privileges away to anyone who walks across a border or jumps a boat. A nation needs laws. In order to enforce those laws you have to be able to identify those who are breaking them. The liberal and global factions are also telling us we have no right to identify them because they say racial profiling is illegal. So far I havent seen this anywhere in the constitution and no one has ever showed me why its offensive in only circumstances having to do with illegals and democrats. I have to show ID all the time. I know you do too. Why should only certain people not have to because of their race. Thats racist.

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        • micka

          @CarolFryer@JohnKPortland

          Sure we have to show ID. But why should an American of one complexion have to do so more often than an American with another complexion? What happened to equal protection under the law? Is it invalidated for certain Americans because of what they look like to a racial profiler? Young neighbor, dark complected Irish, Dad deployed so son is working to help out, and going to school, gets stopped at least twice a day. Sometimes they hold him while they make calls to who knows where, supposedly to check his status. He feels like a 2nd class citizen, and is being treated like a criminal.. Angry and frustrated and i can’t blame him. This is a common situation, and un-American.The corruption of power. Shades of how Gestapo got started.

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        • jjohn

          @micka@CarolFryer@JohnKPortland Micka, show me proof about that dark complected Irish kid being stopped twice daily. That’s just about as laughable as you saying illegals are not getting healthcare.

          You have an agenda — and it doesn’t have the best interests of the USA in mind. That’s the problem with this illegal immigration situation. Most of the illegals have a mindset like yours — they focus on what is best for their Mexican brethern than what is best for the USA.

          And yes, Micka, I do know illegals. In a younger life, I worked on construction to put myself through College and got to know a lot of illegal workers and their children , who were of working age. Most were very nice people to me and hard workers – and with a narrow focus totally on their fellow Mexicans and extended families in Mexico.

          I came to understand that these illegal Mexicans are one of the most ethnically focused mindsets of any group I have known. They were especially not inclined to comment kindly on blacks or Asians. Just the opposite and that is a pure fact. They were very socialist in their views as well — that govt — and successful people — had a responsibility to provide for the raising of their offspring.

          That mentality will undoubtedly be pervasive among their children, who are citizens upon birth.

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        • micka

          @jjohn@CarolFryer@JohnKPortland

          I do not want govt interfering in the lives of myself and my neighbors, but they do in the name of protecting our borders, which they are NOTdoing!.Do you know where the Border Patrol checkpoints are? They are cited way NORTH of the border One is 35 miles north on US 90, one 50 miles north on US 191, etc Sen, McCain says Illegals started the forest fires that burned hundreds of thousands of acres and many homes in SoAZ this year. If there had actually been BP ON the border maybe they would have stopped these illegals before they destroyed our homes, our mountains and watersheds.

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        • CarolFryer

          @jjohn@micka@JohnKPortland I work at night so on the night shift we have so many from Vietnam. And some from Mexico and from Cuba. They are truely friends to me. I love them. But this does not nullify our laws. The constitution allows for immigration laws. Im not sure what people think we are supposed to do. My main think is our laws should use our constitution as a plumline, and I dont see this happening. Open borders is not smart and its not one side doing this. Its both sides. Bush wanted amnesty. Obama wants amnesty. McCain and Kennedy wanted amnesty. I didnt. I thought I was alone when I called to tell them that day. America is seems had the senate phones shut down with massive calls. I wasnt alone. You dont just give amnesty. You dont even know who youre giving amnesty to. Backround checks are vital to the nation. But then you have to have people with common sense to do it, and most in government seem to have lost that.

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      • john lockes ghost

        Enforcing current immigration law is not totalitarian. The law was put on the books, by representatives of the American people. The influx of people across our borders is an invasion, whether they use arms to do so, or not, and invasions should be repelled. @JohnKPortland @CarolFryer

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        • JohnKPortland

          @john lockes ghost@CarolFryer Agreed, enforcing immigration law by itself is not totalitarian. However, this just another of our many, many laws. Combine it with all of our other laws and the way that we enforce them, and it starts to look that way. I prefer to read the effectiveness of laws from the standpoint of cost to the community verses how likely it is to happen again. To do so, I look to the Justice Department, and in particular, the prison system. The US has 5% of the world’s population, and 25% of the world’s prison population. We have 10 times the number of prisoners per capita than the rest of the industrialized world, and 5-6 times the world average. 25% of those are illegal aliens. Right now we are forking over billions and billions of important discretionary spending tax dollars for the imprisonment of illegals. I hate it on so many levels. We have hungry, jobless citizens who can’t read in the US, and instead of wisely spending that money on things that make us stronger and smarter, we spend it on prison lobbies that cost us more every year and treat the symptoms rather than the disease. I’m not really boo-hooing for the poor people, I really could care less about people who aren’t willing to invest in their own futures. However, when it comes to burning money and throwing it away, I’d rather throw it away on Americans than on illegals. The same reasons why I’m against the wars apply. The flow of money to foreign influences that don’t reinvest in our interests is stupid.

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        • CarolFryer

          @JohnKPortland@john lockes ghost I dissagree that our constitution should be scrapped because of how much it may cost. The waste in with things government has deemed necessary like massive foreign aid and paying for schooling and benifits for illegals on top of massive other things. We have a constitution for a reason. Its supposed to be a plumbline to go by.

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        • john lockes ghost

          Who says that the constitution should be scrapped? Certainly not I, however, mistakes have been made in amending it. The 16th amendment, the 17th amendment coupled with the law allowing the withholding of taxes. The 16th allows the government a free pass into your money that they can use in any way that they deem appropriate, without recourse. The 17th amendment made this country a democracy rather than the original democratic republic envisioned by our founders. Allowing federal withholding of taxes removed any control that the citizenry might have had over their government. Consider withholding payment to the government bureaucracy as a check against a government that acted against the will of the people. @CarolFryer @JohnKPortland @john lockes ghost

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        • micka

          @JohnKPortland@john lockes ghost@CarolFryer

          Amen, JohnK, amen

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        • CarolFryer

          @john lockes ghost@JohnKPortland Thank you John. Ive heard allot of back and forth about repealing those amendments without much explanation. And while you explain it well and now I get it, I still dont trust this bunch in congress to not make it even worse. Perhaps if Ron Paul gets in. But even then there would have to be a massive voting out of rinos all over the nation. I hope people have certainly had enough , for that point alone.

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        • john lockes ghost

          I think their repeal, at least for the 17th, will have to be done in the same way that it was enacted, via the back door, that is, from the state legislatures. That amendment stands by itself in that no member of the United States Senate voted in its favor. It will take some time to do, but with a strict constitutionalist in the white house, the job will be easier. @CarolFryer @JohnKPortland

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      • SteveKillgo

        @JohnKPortland@CarolFryer

        If you can’t speak English you can’t be a citizen! English is part of the test to receive citizenship. No English? Free cell till the Mexican bus gets here.

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        • CarolFryer

          @SteveKillgo@JohnKPortland That would be if they actually obeyed and enforced the laws. You know they dont and wont. They are very selective. And how many people of so many nationalities do we have walking around that cant speak any english. Many have picked it up but there are still allot who dont, and for some evil reason our government is trying to turn the laws around so we are the ones that have to learn their language. If YOU cant communicate with them, YOU are the problem. There is no hope for this group in Washington. We need to weed them out till they are all gone. Ron Paul is the only hopeful start to that.

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        • micka

          @SteveKillgo@JohnKPortland@CarolFryer

          So, Steve, are you going to take all those German families in rural Kansas, Chinese on the coasts, Hmong in Minnesota, Cajuns in Louisiana and un-citizen them? You can live comfortably in Mexico and never speak a word of Spanish, and many Americans do so. Should we be less than they? Having a democratic entrepreneurial society means doing and selling what the majority of citizens want. And in some parts of the USA, we like the variety of languages, products, cultures and traditions brought by our neigbors.

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    • micka

      @CarolFryer

      Not true, Carol. You are living a sheltered life I don’t even have a passport, but could have to produce one, or my birth certificate, if some idiot decides that I “look like” a terrorist, criminal of some sort, or just someone they don’t like. Read that stuff about Sheriff Arapaio and then remember that this is happening in the 5th largest US city, not a 3rd world country. I actually agree with some of the Sheriff’s policies, but not the profiling and harrassment of honest citizens. Incidentaly, illegals can buy ID easily through the cartels, so your premise is incorrect anyway. It’s the honest person who gets harrassed. JohnKPortland is right.

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      • jjohn

        @micka@CarolFryer Micka, you’re an idiot! These illegal immigrants broke the law — they are illegal . What about illegal don’t you understand?

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        • micka

          @jjohn@CarolFryer

          What do you not understand? LEGAL US RESIDENTS AND CITIZENS are being jailed until they can produce ID that none of us carry. Get it? Jail illegals, great. NOT the rest of us.This is all out there in the news, and in records of DHS. Open your eyes and your brains.

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        • CarolFryer

          @micka@jjohn Yes micka, Im still not understanding what the ID is that none of us has? Who is us?

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        • micka

          @CarolFryer@jjohn

          Passport, birth certificate. I don’t carry them on a daily basis, do you?Don’t even have a passport. Should not need one. I am a US citizen and do not want to live like people in some totalitarian state, having to produce ID for any little twit in uniform who doesn’t like my looks or what I say..

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        • CarolFryer

          @micka@jjohn i dont have a passport but I sure as heck have ID. You need it to survive here in this world. I have a birth certificate in my files where it should be, where if anything happened my loved ones could find it easily to come rescue me. And if I saw a pattern of them stopping me, I sure as heck would start carrying it with me. I think that would be common sense. We have a system we live in. Citizens are already required to have ID for many things. Im still not seeing whats so hard about this micka. Ive been dirt poor and was able to get one. And I didnt drive till I was 40. Just didnt want to. I know its silly, but I just didnt want to. Plus we had public busses so I really didnt need to.

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        • CarolFryer

          @micka@jjohn How are they gonna know you are a citizen?

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        • mjrAK47

          Charles, the only way to keep the problem of over priced goods is to get the Unions out of the picture. I realize that Unions have done their part in raising the standard of living in America. However, like most that starts off with “good intentions”, Unions have long outlived their purpose. They have gotten greedy and been subsidized by the workers who kept asking for more benefits and higher wages resulting in the higher cost of living, from homes and automobiles to our food. Taking back America won’t be an easy process. You are right about many of our younger generation being fat, lazy and over indulged. Who’s fault is THAT??

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      • CarolFryer

        @micka Ok micka, Im just waiting for this one. How do they enforce immigration laws? You tell me. Now you started this so go all the way and explain it to me in detail. The constitution says we can determine who lives in our nation from abroad. So tell me.

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        • micka

          @CarolFryer

          AS long as the laws are as currently written, they are unenforceable.the proof is that we are spending BILLIONS on the fence and little boys in brown uniforms and it is not working! Throwing more money after something that doesn’t work, just means that we are idiots! The head has fallen off the hammer and we keep trying to put it back on with a bandaid. Get a new hammer! Stop repeating old mistakes! Follow the money. I don’t think we would be in this situation if it were not lining some political pockets.

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        • CarolFryer

          @micka You are still not giving me specifics. How do you enforce immigration laws if you cant check for ID? I agree with you on the fact that government on both sides is not enforcing the laws nor are they protecting our borders. They go to war and leave us open here at home. So their crying wolf is deffinately fake. All their homeland security garbage is agenda and they say one thing and do another. But I dont go for the left crying about it either. How do you enforce those laws? How do you get a new hammer and what are the desired results of it? Open borders?

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        • micka

          @CarolFryer

          I’m a doctor, not an economist, so I may not have it right, but I like the idea of requiring that immigrants go only to a pre-arranged job, be monitored there, and leave if that job goes away and another is not readily available. Background checks are vital, and paying taxes, and maybe that previously mentioned idea of letting people earn, by the amount of taxes paid, the ability to stay.I agree that amnestty is not a great idea, but I also sympathize with people brought here as children. Punishing them for the sins of their fathers seem draconian and is very unfair, even dangerous for them. Imagine being a teenager dumped into the country of your parents birth with no resources, possibly no knowledge of the language.One thing we need is more private health insurance companies providing care across international borders. There are only a few now.

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        • micka

          @CarolFryer

          In terms of enforcing the laws, why not put troops on the borders? We have lots of unemployed returned vets.The fence does not work. The high tech BS fails, and is gotten around with matching technologies. See Luna County NM where they are flying in drugs and illegals. As it is, check stations are not at the borders, but many miles north on main highways. I go through two stations on my way to Target, while the illegals simply drive around on the dirt side roads, which are patrolled, but minimally. I can’t even get the Border Patrol to come arrest the illegals on my land. I now have an attack dog for protection, because we we have no protection from the current system. Lets stop illegal immigration AT the border, not run around trying to round up people after they get in..

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        • micka

          @CarolFryer

          And, Carol, I am so tired of carrying a side arm when we picnic or go hiking or anything. My job is to save lives, not take them. But,,,There are US Forest Service signs on the roads warning that the area is not safe for camping.The illegals set fire to our beautiful mountains, both the Chiricahua and Huachuca ranges, this last summer. The Chiricahuas burned for three months and we all ived in a poisonous haze of smoke..Neighboring rancher Bob Krentz was murdered by illegals, Mr Herrera was beaten and left for dead. He is my closest neighbor. The smugglers use my land as a pickup site for illegals,and the BP has not stopped them. I live in a frigging war zone in my own country, and I am exhausted with people who think this is all some sort of academic exercise. Not directed at you We are tired of being stopped while the illegals smugglers laugh at us..We need justice for all, and that includes me and mine, but I don’t think it will ever happen. Too many pockets being lined by the cartels.

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        • CarolFryer

          @micka Good morning Micka. I say goodmorning. It seems everyone hear has gotten sick all together. My kids and grandkids. All of us. I relieved though that what ever this is seems to be breaking up today, so I will steadily get better from today.

          I agree that too many pockets are being lined by the cartels and Ive held the thought for some time that it goes all the way up into our highest government. Otherwise, why would they just simply refuse to address it . I think Ron Paul is right on that issue. The value of the drugs is very high simply because its illegal. If people grew these same things legally in their back yards the problems youre having would go away. The drugs would no longer be valued like this. People would already have access to what they want. There are many other issues I would have to deal with afterwards though. One would be driving while under the influence of drugs. Just like alchahol, forgive my spelling, and texting while driving and numerous other things that could distract us. Im not quite sure where this would leave the issue. And Ive been told there is quite a difference between hemp and marajauna which is used for its medicinal qualities and recreational qualities, while hemp can be used to make anything from bricks to clothing. Its an interesting subject. I personally dont see allot of the effects of the drugs though. There is drinking somewhat where I am but not much. Its a shame that such a beautiful area has to be tainted with such problems and people have to suffer like that in fear.

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        • CarolFryer

          And Ive felt also for some time they could do allot more on the borders then they do. Thats pretty obvious. @micka

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        • CarolFryer

          @micka Originally wasnt the law set up that way and each immigrant had to have sponsor? But then the main problem is illegals for which there is just simply no checks and balances. Yes the kids brought here as kids is a hard one. But its also a touchy one because they are used as an anchor to bring in so many more if they become legal in any way. I think the chain migration issue needs to be fixed and each person treated as individuals and not anchors. Its hard for many doctors to treat people on their own because of laws and the fact that in hospitals they are beholden to the hospital who is supposed to be making something off the deal or at least being compensated. If the doctor treats them for free, the hospital still ends up loosing. There are so many free clinics popping up and this is one reason why Ive never understood the severity of the problem. Why not just go to a free clinic? Heck you would sit in the emergency room all night waiting. If its an emergency its one thing, but many times its not, and its just not fair to others to saddle them with that cost.

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        • micka

          @CarolFryer

          You raise many good points, Carol. In my neck of the woods, there are not actually any free clinics, although the community health centers do provide good, cheap care by using semi-retirees and mid-levels…PAs and NPs.They charge everyone sliding scale based on W-2 , disability award or SS income. I worked in 3 CHCs after I got tired of fighting with private insurance companies in my own practice. You are so right about ERs. They are fine for accidents,strokes, heart attacks, but a sick baby or a bad rash? That ER doc may not have seen a baby or a rash since residency!. I get calls from local ER about how to treat sick babies probably 3 x month even though I retired 4 years ago..

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  • seejaymouser

    emporerjahm and micka ….

    I realize there are extenuating circumstances in every controversial issue, and in all things done en mass some people who don’t deserve to, will suffer, and some who do, will walk away Scott free, take the justice system for example. That still does not mean that we should do nothing about the overwhelming influx of illegals in this country. The only way to deal with it is with aggression.

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    • emperorjhan

      should we stop all immigration just to be fair or are we going to be racist and just allow come europeans? what about the whole world trade that we have been building over the years? We are just starting to pull even with China and Russia, and we are doing pretty well with Mexico except Dumping of aggricultural products like corn which actually forced a lot of their farmers out of business and some times crazy inflations. you can not just say F -You because we are in a recession caused by wars we don’t need; Coruption in congress so that rich gets richers while the middle class pays all the tax and the poor sends their kids to die on foreign land only to create more hate toward our country.

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      • CarolFryer

        @emperorjhan See and Im not racist I dont feel, but I feel you are right. We do need to stop all immigration till this issue is under control. I wont hold my breath though, knowing most in Washington in both parties are actually for pretty much open borders. Something has to be done I agree but amnesty is just not the answer. Like I said before, you dont know who youre giving amnesty to and back round checks are vital. I agree with you on allot of issues but my thing is still following the constitution.

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  • emperorjhan

    The revenue and GDP we get from this unspoken work force is about 2.5 times of that. In the mean time, I have not seen anyone upset about the 14billion dollars per day Bush and Cheney spent in Iraq, Obama finally withdrew from Iraq but we are too much in debt already and yet the main GOP still will not tax the billionaires. Are we so ignorant that we can only focus our passion on issues that are far easier to find a scape goat for? Anyone reading this should see the youtube speech made by veteran Glenn Greenwald. But since this blog this still about immigration, I still stand my ground that all immigrants must pay $500 per person, or $1000 per family. $25,000 in taxes paid to get greencard, and $50,000 in taxes paid to become citizens and get full benefits. We still have polygomy sects that a man has 100 wife and 500 children that our tax dollars pays for.

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    • jjohn

      @emperorjhan

      A $1000 fine?! Are you kidding me. It costs over $200,000 to raise a child in this country.Consider what an illegal with 8 kids would cost the taxpayer. Illegal immigration is costing the USA $113 Billion per year — and that figure will mushroom as this demographic ages.

      Again, Illegals are huge net tax recipients. Which means they consume far more tax dollars than they pay in.

      Tell you what, emperorjhan. I’ll pay you $1 for every $100 you give me. Sound like a good deal? That is how ridiculous your post is.

      Re: Bush and the war — Where have you been? Of course there are lots of people furious with that goofball Bush and his clowns, Rumsfeld, Cheney and the dirtbag Wolfowitz — Remember him — he was the idiot that said the Iraq war will pay for itself.

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      • micka

        @jjohn@emperorjhan

        jjohn, where do you get your figures? The very nature of illegal immigration requires that the illegals hide within the system, therefore are not really subject to being counted. A normal situation these days is that they are brought in by the cartels or an underhanded employer, and given a SS number! Hence, they pay taxes into someone elses account. They are caught when there is a raid on an employer.Only the relatively few who cross the border on their own with no $ for an ID do not have an apparently legal ID that would fool the normal person. Figures are being bandied about with very little supporting data.

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        • jjohn

          @micka@emperorjhan Micka, first, Fox news reports 113 Billion per year. Second get on Center for Immigration Studies and educate yourself. The site was created by George Borjas is a Harvard professor and an immigrant himself.Go to NumbersUSA and educate yourself.

          Prove to me their stats are wrong. Prove to me that Fidelity’s stats are wrong. Where are your numbers? Show me your numbers!

          Back up your statement earlier that illegals are not being treated by hospitals and doctors. Show me that proof. Your claim is preposterous. Show me your supporting data.

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        • emperorjhan

          @jjohn@micka John, if you are a die hard Fox news fan then why the hell are you on the Ron Paul blog? They bastards have done nothing but portrait Ron as a lunatic and fights for everything Isreal , the military industry, or the super Rich? But then again, they do have a very loyal brain-washed army of broke, uneducated fans who actually think that they fight for them.

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        • micka

          @emperorjhan@jjohn

          Years ago I started analyzing the different news feeds and going back to original bills, votes, speeches, etc, rather than believing the news readers. FoxNews is absolutely the worst in terms of taking out of context, and what seems like outright lying sometimes. Ex: check if what they say about Ron Paul is actually his position. Not! Same with other candidates.Go to their original words and think for yourself. .

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        • jjohn

          @emperorjhan@micka Emperor, tell me the exact words that imply your assertion that I am a “die hard Fox news fan.”

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        • jjohn

          @micka@emperorjhan Micka, speaking of outright lying — you are the pot calling the kettle black. You wrote:”It is a very common misperception that illegals receive free medical care.”

          What’s your excuse? too much stating up late nights watching Fox News?

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        • micka

          @jjohn@emperorjhan

          I practiced medicine for most of my adult life. Doctors first task is to heal, notto determine whether someone’s credentilas are forged or whatever. I tried many, many times to get care for seriously ill illegal patients through the Medicaid system. I failed in every case except where there was a life-threatening injury. Then ERs would provide stabilizing care before deportation to a Mexican hospital. Dying from chronic illness didn’t count. Pregnancy did not count. Virulent abcess did not count. I could go on and on. Ask your local community health center how successful they are in getting care for illegals. We often had to ask Immigration to deport them, usually to Hermosillo, Mexico where there is a good hospital taking care of all comers, Mexican or not..

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        • micka

          @jjohn@emperorjhan

          My very point is that there is no accurate supporting data on illegals. My data comes from personally battling hospitals, Medicaid and politicos in the 4 states where I have practiced medicine, trying to get care for very sick people.That is my only agenda. Follow the money. What is the agenda of Mr Borjas and his group, or NumbersUSA. Someone is supporting them financially. Being an immigrant himself does not necessarily give him access to any more data than anyone else. Illegals don’t line up to be counted.Talk to people doing the work before you believe numbers gathered by any agency.

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        • emperorjhan

          I thought you were a Fox fan because you were quoting all your stats from them, my stats came from a special on cnn. But I have made up my mind that both networks have too much Jewish inflence that seem to be the reason they boycott Ron. Current TV is a more truthful network.

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        • micka

          @emperorjhan

          BBCAmerica seems to stick to the original data without too much “interpretation” also.

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        • jjohn

          @emperorjhan Okay

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  • jjohn

    In reviewing the posts I see a number of people saying that the price of certain goods and services would rise if we deported illegals or enacted strict employer sanctions and penalties. What these folks don’t realize is that we are paying an exorbitantly higher price by not enacting those measures.

    If you think strict immigration enforcement may cause tomatoes to be priced at $4/pound. Consider, with the current system, people are now being FORCED TO BUY TOMATOES AT $100/lbs, they just don’t realize it because the cost is not reflected in the tomatoes.

    The cost is spread out in the schools , healthcare, infrastructure, crime enforcement, etc to the tune of $113 Billion per year. The costs are very real. People need to see the true costs of the goods and services.

    Many people don’t eat lettuce. They shouldn’t subsidize those that do. Many people in this country never stay at hotels. They shouldn’t be subsidizing business travelers who get a reduced price because the hotel hires illegals and pay them $6/hr, yet the cost to society is well over $100 per hour.

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    • micka

      @jjohn

      Most of our tomatoes are actually imported from Mexico. This is the main industry in Nogales, handling the imports. If you choose not to eat produce, well bully for you. But for the health of our nation, we need to maintain a viable agricultural industry and not import the majority of our foods. Your argument is specious..

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      • jjohn

        @micka Micka. I was using tomatoes as an analogy and a microcosm of illegal immigrant intensive industry. I don’t care if 99% of tomatoes are grown in Mexico. We’ll maintain a viable ag industry without those niches that transfer billions of dollars of costs onto Americans and create ghetto-like enclaves throughout many areas of the U.S.

        You’re the problem, Micka. Always an excuse.

        BTW, it sounds to me you are looking at immigration through a Hispanic filter. Why is that?

        Show me your posts anywhere on the internet where you have advocated for those ethnicities other than Hispanic. What is your ethnicity?

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        • micka

          @jjohn

          My family went from Spain to the Hebrides in the 1500s then had to leave because of the religious wars on British soil, so some went to Holland, then to Maine in 1680, and some to Ireland, then to New Mexico in 1800s. I have cousins with citizenship in Scotland, Spain, and Iraq, some with an Hispanic surname, and some with an English surname, and a few are Kurds originally from Turkey, now in Iraq (and Michigan). Where I live the majority of immigrants are Mexican, with the rare German, Japanese,Irish or Malaysian. But, relatives live where the majority are Chinesem or Vietnamese, and have had to deal with monolingual Hmongs in the hospital, so I know they are there. I just talk about what I have real,daily, personal experience with rather than projecting or assuming..

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        • jjohn

          @micka Thanks.

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