Honest Money

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Henry Ford once said, “It is well that the people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.”

Are you confused by all the talk about monetary policy, fiat money and inflation? You’re not alone. Bankers and politicians have worked hand in hand for many decades to obscure their activities from the public. They hide behind elaborate structures designed to inflate the money supply while creating the false impression that they are looking out for our best interests.

Inflation is a very simple concept to understand: More money = less value. It may seem contradictory but it’s very straightforward.

For illustration purposes, join me on a brief journey of the imagination. One beautiful morning, you wake up and realize that you own twice as much cash as you had just last night. Magic money elves entered your home and bank account and simply doubled your entire cash assets. You’re now twice as wealthy (or half as poor as the case may be).

But you soon realize that the same thing happened to everyone else in the country. The money supply (total amount of money) has doubled! It’s just a one-time event and your regular income remains the same… you just got lucky this one time. It’s okay to dream, so stay with me.

What happens next? If you’re like most people, you probably start spending. You buy things you always wanted to buy but couldn’t afford. You pay back some debts. You buy stocks. In other words, you put the new money into circulation. So do most other people in the country.

Demand for many products increases because a lot more people can afford them now. Consumers are buying so much stuff that some shortages occur. To protect themselves against these shortages, shops and businesses decide to increase their prices. They know that once prices go up, fewer people will be competing to buy the same products, and the situation will be back to normal.

As a side effect of these higher prices, shop owners start earning higher profits than usual. They have more money in their bank accounts, which allows them to increase their spending. They will invest in new stock or expand their business. They might pay out dividends to their investors and bonuses to their employees, allowing these people to buy more products as well. This additional demand puts even more pressure on other shops to increase their prices.

A few months later, prices of almost everything have gone up. Suppliers and manufacturers are faced with the same threat of too much sudden demand from their clients so they too decide to start charging more.

You went on a one-time buying spree and look what happened! Your income stayed the same, but after a few weeks you can suddenly no longer afford the products you used to buy all the time because all prices in the economy have gone up.

Naturally, you demand a higher salary from your employer. If you’re self-employed or in business, you have to charge your customers more money just so that you can maintain your standard of living. Everyone else is in the same situation. Higher prices keep spreading throughout the entire economy, and it’s getting more and more difficult to make a living.

Can you see how this lucky one-time incident which at first seemed so exciting was extremely harmful not just for you but for the entire country? You briefly had a good time but now you’re worse off than before. In our story there are now twice as many dollars in circulation, but your income remains the same and each dollar you earn is worth only about half as much as it used to be. You’re really hoping for those money elves to come back.

As a matter of fact, some people, companies and banks have managed to develop an inside connection to the “money elves”, allowing them to receive new money into their bank accounts whenever they want to. The money is officially a loan (credit), but they know they never have to pay it back… they just “roll it over”, i.e. take up even more debt. With all that easy money in their accounts, and after hearing on TV that stocks only go up and that real estate prices will continue to rise forever, they tend to get a bit lightheaded and start making bad investment decisions. They know that if anything happens to their investments they will be bailed out by the government, so they do not hesitate to take huge risks with their new found “wealth”.

Let’s stop dreaming and look at the reality of things. What if I told you that these “money elves” do exist and that they spring into action not just once in a lifetime, but every couple of weeks? And that they repeatedly give money to their closest friends, but not to you? That prices are going up because the total amount of money in circulation increases, but that you’re missing out on all the fun?

Well, that’s inflation at work. Who benefits from inflation? Only those who are at the top of the pyramid and receive all that new money directly from the source. As you might have guessed by now, the source is the Federal Reserve, and its recipients include the government which “borrows” a lot of new money each year, without any intention of ever paying it back. Another beneficiary these days are failed banks that are being “bailed out” for the good of the “economy”, or defense contractors that receive money to build up our military so we can have a constant presence all over the world and fight never-ending and unnecessary wars. There was even a huge number of small-time beneficiaries who received consumer loans and sub-prime mortgages they would never be able to pay back.

What, then, is fiat money? It’s exactly what we just talked about: money that can be inflated or increased at the push of a button at the say-so of a powerful person or organization. Nowadays most dollars are just blips on a computer screen and it’s extremely easy for the Federal Reserve to create money out of thin air whenever they want to.

If our money were backed by gold and silver, people couldn’t just sit in some fancy building and push a button to create new money. They would have to engage in honest trade with another party that already has some gold in their possession. Alternatively, they would have to risk their lives and assets to find a suitable spot to build a gold mine, then get dirty and sweaty and actually dig up the gold. Not something I can imagine our “money elves” at the Fed getting down to whenever they feel like playing God with the economy.

As you can see, inflation and fiat money are very seductive and beneficial to those at the top, and very dangerous to everyone else and the nation as a whole. That’s exactly what Henry Ford was talking about. He knew that every country that relies too much on fiat money is ruined sooner rather than later.

There is only one possible solution to the inflation problem: Stop creating money out of thin air. But we’re already in such a mess that the only way to have a real impact on the money supply is to increase interest rates so that people pay back their loans and borrow less money from the banks, which decreases the amount of money in circulation. However, higher interest rates might very well crash the economy. So the Fed’s current “solution” to overcoming inflation is… creating even more of it.

Fiat money is a dangerous addiction. Even if the Fed found a way to stop inflation, as long as the current system persists the temptation will always be there to resume pushing the easy money button. That’s why we need to get back on the gold standard and eliminate the Federal Reserve altogether.

But that won’t happen “before tomorrow morning”, as Henry Ford said, or even this year. Ron Paul believes that the first step towards monetary freedom is to allow open competition in currencies. Once gold and silver are allowed as legal tender and can be sold without sales tax, everyone can use them to store their wealth and to pay for the things they want to buy. The Federal Reserve will finally have a very compelling motivation to stay honest and maintain the value of the dollar because if they don’t, they will simply lose all their customers.

Ron Paul has been an advocate of the gold standard and open competition in currencies for many years. He is the Federal Reserve’s most outspoken opponent in Congress and has frequently questioned Alan Greenspan and Ben Bernanke about the Fed’s actions.

Join the Ron Paul Revolution and help us put the Fed where it belongs: into the history books and out of our financial lives.

More Information

Thomas Jefferson and Andrew Jackson understood “The Monster”. But to most Americans today, the Federal Reserve is just a name on the dollar bill. They have no idea of what the central bank does to the economy, or to their own economic lives; of how and why it was founded and operates; or of the sound money and banking that could end the statism, inflation, and business cycles that the Fed generates.

Dedicated to Murray N. Rothbard, steeped in American history and Austrian economics, and featuring Ron Paul, Joseph Salerno, Hans Hoppe, and Lew Rockwell, this extraordinary new film is the clearest, most compelling explanation ever offered of the Fed, and why curbing it must be our first priority.

In this 1988 interview, Ron Paul talks about money, banking and the Federal Reserve, and predicts the current financial crisis.

Show: American Power Structure
Date: August 1988

Explanation of Fiat Money:

Here’s an amazing introduction to the history of the US dollar:

The American Dream Film:

Ron Paul Money Lecture Series — “What is Money?”


10,061 responses to “Honest Money”

  1. Citizen

    Vera

    “”for you surely can’t carry any around. One would get robbed really quick. “”

    Reality Check??
    You walk around with $2,000 Fed Reserve Notes
    OR
    You walk around with a one ounce gold coin.
    A thief pulls a gun and says give me your money…
    You have a gold coin, you don’t have to give it to him… it’s not money!!

    What are YOU talking about, “robbed really quick” ??
    Gee Wiz… !

    “”No sir, you are off your rocker, this is the 21st Century… A.D.””

    Yes it is… but the Fiat Money Troglodytes on this site can’t think outside the fiat paper currency box…

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    1. Vera

      Sorry Charlie, but I am not carrying around any cash either.

      Go ahead and steal my credit cards, I’m insured for that.

      Dolt.

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      1. Citizen

        Hi Vera Doltes

        OK so we’ve established that you’re a Fiat Plastic Money troll
        And that you’ve sold your economic soul to the Banksters….they OWN YOU!

        So what are you doing here, certainly not to support Honest Money!

        Vera,
        you’ll be one of the first in line to get your new theft proof chip, palm or forehead….which do you prefer?

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        1. Truth Is Self-Evident

          Who is this mythical WE you refer to Citizen?

          Being a bully is soooo Christian too!

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          1. Citizen

            Dizzy TISE

            Oh spare me the whine…
            need some Government Cheese with that?

            Because you spineless fiat money troll whiners can’t add up the facts of how really bad things are becoming…

            You see the price of gold, silver, copper, sugar, wheat, coffee etc. go through the roof….
            And your response is……. gold is evil! Just plain DUMB!

            Your a group of feral cats, chasing a red dot laser pointer on the ground…
            Bernanke is holding the pointer and laughing is ass off. He’s laughing so hard he’s crying.

            And the paper money trolls are saying….
            We need an “Honest Uncle Ben”
            That’s just priceless….

            And soon,
            You’ll be rioting in the streets when basic foods disappear from the shelves…
            And that laser dot…. it won’t be on the ground….it will be trained on your foreheads!

            You just have a great day dizzy TISE

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          2. Clear As Day

            Who said gold was evil?

            Only Citizen accusing others… more false witness, Citizen-Sinner!

            YOU are the EVIL… YOU are DUMB… not gold, which is nothing but a hunk of metal, neither honest or dishonest, idiot.

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  2. Vera

    Honest Money?

    Someone worships wealth to come up with that title.

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    1. Citizen

      Vera,

      Love of money is a sin….

      Stupidity is an inexcusable sin…

      In God We Trust…
      All others pay in coin money!

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      1. Vera

        It is crystal clear, you have an illogical affinity for gold.

        You keep making references to gold with God.

        It is only reasonable to assume you love wealth, nothing else.

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        1. Citizen

          Vera Dolt

          NO, I have an affinity for Honest Money!
          I could care less if it’s gold or copper, or lead…

          As long as it is rooted in a solid mineral commodity that can’t be DEBASED (print dilution) or otherwise corrupted by Banksters…

          In Contrast… Fiat Money Trolls are waiting for the Honest Politician who will print Honest Paper money….

          They have a word for those people who have grown up but still believe in Santa Claus …. they call them Democrats

          And the currency dilution program is called WELFARE!

          »crosslinked«

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          1. TruthSeeker

            You just never give up your childish ways Citizen. We are NOT pro money printing; we are NOT democrats!

            If continuing your fabrication is the only way you could present your position and if that makes you feel victorious, go for it.

            We are only against the gold standard. We think the problem is in the money control and the money control needs reconstruction. Unless and until that happens, the topic of the money standard is all irrelevant albeit gold or tobacco.

            We support Ron Paul for his foreign policy stands. That alone is half of the solution of the money corruption scheme.

            Support Ron Paul!
            End the private FED!

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          2. Truth Is Self-Evident

            Here, here… Seeker!

            Thanks for setting the record straight.

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          3. Curious

            Hi Citizen:

            Citizen: “As long as it is rooted in a solid mineral commodity that can’t be DEBASED (print dilution) or otherwise corrupted by Banksters…”

            Curious: Gold is EASILY debased, and is all the time…

            When the central banks/government debase paper notes, they punch in a bunch of figures in a computer program.

            When the government debases gold, they can either simply *lower* its value by the stroke of a pen, by decree, declaring its value less, thereby creating price inflation — it takes more gold to buy the same amount of goods — or the government/central banks/ investors can debase the value of gold on the market.

            Simple. And happens all the time. We saw it recently when the Shanghai Exchange raised margins and the price of gold fell $102 in one day.

            Gold is EASILY CORRUPTED by bankers, governments and investors.

            Citizen, when will you OPEN YOUR EYES and acknowledge the TRUTH.

            You’re blinded by a shiny yellow metal.

            You keep reciting the mantra that gold is an incorruptible store of value and IT’S NOT TRUE…

            Eyes wide open!

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            Below are two articles that demonstrate how gold can be “debased.”

            One is a news article from 2008, when the IMF considered selling gold to raise cash.

            The second article is how George Soros and Jim Rogers are supposedly selling gold to by farmland. Good move… but too bad it’s always the rich guys that again profit from human misery…

            If George Soros sells gold, it’s possible the price could potentially dip downward… It’s happened this past year when he sold his gold ETF…

            George Soros DEBASED the value of gold by shorting the market!
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            George Soros and Jim Rogers selling gold to buy farmland:

            Here’s a great trivia question for you.

            What asset has appreciated more than any asset since the year 2000?

            Answer: Farmland. 1,200%

            Food prices are skyrocketing all across the globe, and there’s no end in sight. The United Nations says food inflation is currently at 30% a year, and the fast-eroding value of the dollar is causing food prices to appear even higher in contrast to a weakening currency. As the dollar drops in value due to runaway money printing at the Federal Reserve, the cost to import foods from other nations looks to double in just the next two years — and possibly every two years thereafter.

            That’s probably why investors around the globe are flocking to farmland as the new growth industry. Investors are pouring into farmland in the U.S. and parts of Europe, Latin America and Africa as global food prices soar. A fund controlled by George Soros, the billionaire hedge-fund manager, owns 23.4 percent of a South American farmland venture Adecoagro.

            Commodities are still the best play for the long term and legendary investor guru Jim Rogers confessed that he has been buying farmland himself.

            People are still going to eat. Mother Nature has taken her wrath out on the world as of late to such an extent that farmers cannot get loans for fertilizers right now without putting their land up as collateral and with too little rain or too much rain the farmland that has been in a family for generations could be wiped away in a trick of fate. Therefore the supplies of food are going to continue to be under pressure. This leads me to conclude that agriculture is going to be one of the greatest industries in the next 20 years, 30 years.

            That’s because demand for food is accelerating even as radical climate changes, a loss of fossil water supplies, and the failure of genetically engineered crops is actually reducing food yields around the globe. Ceres Partners, which invests in farmland, has produced astonishing 16% annual returns since its launch in 2008. And this is during a depressed economy when most other industries are showing losses.

            Ceres partners have investment opportunities for dairy, green house vegetable operations, beef cattle and rice plantations. Ceres reported that most commodity exporting countries of South America are facing highly favorable conditions, particularly those with stronger fundamentals who have easiest access to external financing and stand to benefit the most from low global interest rates. Foreign direct investment in the economies of the region increased almost 20% during 2010 compared to the same period a year ago.

            The region’s economy expanded 6% in 2010 and according to ECLAC´s latest report; South America will grow 5.1% in 2011. In terms of countries, the fastest growing this year will be Argentina (8.3%), Peru (7.1%). Uruguay (6.8%), Ecuador (6.4%), Chile (6.3%), Paraguay (5.7%) followed by Colombia (5.3%), Venezuela (4.5%) and Brazil (4%).

            For its soils and weather conditions, abundance of natural resources, good infrastructure and the unique possibility of acquiring large extension of productive farmland; South America is indeed worldwide considered a top place to buy, lease and manage agricultural lands for profit. The region accounts for 59% of global exports of oil seeds, 11% of grains and 37% of meat; with Argentina, Brazil, Chile and Uruguay being among the top 10 food exporters.

            Before I take my leave as long, as we’re talking about commodities to own, I would be remiss if I didn’t mention Gold and silver. I own some gold and silver and if corrects down, I hope I’m smart enough to buy more. The IMF is trying to sell their gold and if they do then they’ll drive the price of gold down and that may well be the last opportunity to buy gold for a long time. While I spent a good portion of this essay on farmland I would still encourage my readers to buy on any pullbacks physical coins and buy ETFs like GLD, PHYS, IAU, UGL, SLV, PSLV, AGQ or you can buy mining companies (even though they have lagged the physical and the ETF’s) because I believe that people are human and would rather own the metal above the ground that they can hold rather than own great wealth beneath the ground.

            A reader asked me if I feared the correction in commodity prices. I told him that’s exactly when you’re supposed to buy. Corrections are not to be feared but rather expected and embraced.

            (CURIOUS: Corrections are to be “embraced”? Uh-huh… Yeah, right… Uh-huh… Spoken like a true gold profiteer…)

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            IMF Gold Sales: Does It Matter? – 11 February 2008
            Will the US Congress approve a sale of IMF gold to help shore up IMF finances…?

            GOLD PRICES now sit at all-time record highs. Whereas the International Monetary Fund (IMF) finds itself short of $400 million per year.

            Can you guess what comes next? “The IMF is rich if it wants to be,” says Stephen Jen at Morgan Stanley, recommending IMF gold sales just before the idea was agreed by leaders of the world’s top seven economies on Feb. 9th.

            IMF gold – the third largest hoard after the US and German government gold reserves – is now worth around $92 billion, reports Reuters, tripling in value since the start of this decade.

            And if you were spending $1 billion a year but only bringing in $600m, as the IMF is today, wouldn’t you want to sell a little of your 3,217 tonnes in Gold Bullion?

            IMF Gold Sales: A Flow of Income

            It’s the simple solution, agreed leaders of the G7 wealthy nations in Tokyo. But will IMF gold sales happen – and would it matter to the Gold Market anyway?

            “The current Gold Price means a flow of income can be ensured,” said the head of the IMF’s steering committee, Italian finance minister Tommaso Padoa-Schioppa.

            Meeting with his US, Japanese, German, British, French and Canadian colleagues for the last time at the end of last week (he has to stand down after losing his government post in Italy to the collapse of Romaro Prodi’s administration), Padoa-Schioppa led discussion of “stability and growth in our economies”, the fast-approaching US recession, stock market volatility, and the losses caused by reckless investments in US subprime mortgages – losses which German finance minister Peer Steinbrueck now reckons could total $450 billion.

            And gold sales or not, the IMF certainly needs all the extra cash it can claw back right now, as well.

            New managing director Dominique Strauss-Kahn wants to save $100 million per year by cutting 15% of his staff, mostly middle management according to The Economist. He’d like most of those 380 job-cuts to be voluntary – but it’s actually the IMF which is starting to look redundant.

            IMF Gold Sales: Why Now?

            Founded at the end of World War II with donations of cash and gold from its member nations, the IMF works at “crisis prevention” – monitoring and hoping to avoid policy mistakes that could lead to big financial problems.

            Using the $338 billion or so in cash that it holds (but never the gold, which exists as a ballast of “fundamental strength” in all official wealth reserves, as the IMF explains), the IMF also lends to countries facing balance of payments problems. This is where the IMF earns its keep, charging interest on these short-terms loans.

            The IMF also makes loans to low-income countries implementing poverty reduction programs, currently helping 23 countries from Afghanistan to Sierra Leone. But more famously, the IMF offers advice and technical expertise to help developing economies stabilize their exchange rate and re-structure government finances to get out of crisis.

            Since the Argentine crisis of 2001, however – blamed on the IMF’s advised policies (and coincidental with the start of gold’s bull market) – new IMF lending, the source of its income, has shrunk dramatically. The world’s developing economies have simply developed too fast; they don’t need so many hand-outs from the IMF.

            Indeed, many former clients are now so busy piling up foreign exchange reserves from the United States, you have to wonder why the IMF doesn’t ask for help instead. Or the US, for that matter.

            The world’s largest economy is now running a trade deficit worth 6.5% of its annual turnover (economists get nervous about any figure above 3%). The US government has run up $9 trillion in debt, and the US Dollar has dropped one-third of its value in the last five years to reach all-time record lows against the rest of the world’s currencies.

            IMF Gold Sales: The 1970s Bull Market

            Would selling some IMF gold help push the Gold Price lower – and by extension, help the US Dollar to recover? It’s been tried before, and with little success.

            Between 1976 and 1980, the IMF sold gold in a bid “to reduce the role of gold in the international monetary system,” selling one-third of its total gold holdings – a massive 1,600 tonnes.

            Well over 60% of the world’s current annual gold-mining production today, half of that IMF gold was dumped onto member nations at just $35 per ounce – the old “fixed” Gold Price up until the US Dollar was finally cut free of gold in 1971. Mid-way through the 1970s bull market in gold, that was less than one-third the abiding Gold Market price.

            The other half of that IMF gold was sold via auction, but the auctions were so well subscribed, the impact on Gold Prices was actually to forced them higher and the auctions were eventually suspended.

            Come April 1978, the Second Amendment to the IMF’s Articles of Agreement finally eliminated Gold Bullion “as the common denominator of the post-World War II exchange rate system,” as the IMF explains on its website.

            “It also abolished the official price of gold and abrogated the obligatory use of gold in transactions between the IMF and its members. It furthermore required that the IMF, when dealing in gold, avoid managing its price or establishing a fixed price.”

            But trying to cut gold out of the world’s monetary system did nothing to stem the flight of investment cash into Gold Investment. By the completion of those IMF gold sales in 1980, the Gold Price had risen more than five times over on the open market.

            From the end of the fixed Gold Price in 1971, gold rose 24 times over by its high point of Jan. 1980.

            IMF Gold Sales: Barriers & Impact

            Fast forward to the gold bull market of this decade, and IMF gold sales have been repeatedly proposed and debated since the Gold Price turned higher in 2001. The last call came in Feb. 2007, when a panel of notable “worthies” recommended selling 400 tonnes of IMF gold to cover debt-relief in poorer nations.

            That panel included former Fed chairman Alan Greenspan, infamous UK gold-seller Gordon Brown, Zhou Xiaochuan – governor of the People’s Bank of China – plus Jean-Claude Trichet of the European Central Bank, Andrew Crockett of J.P.Morgan, and governors from the South African Reserve Bank, the Bank of Mexico and the Saudi Arabian Monetary Agency.

            Their call for IMF gold sales came to naught however, while the Gold Price barely flickered when they announced their advice.

            Twelve months later, the price of gold in Dollars, Euros, Pounds Sterling and most other major currencies has risen between one-third and one-half. So might this latest call for IMF gold sales actually come to something?

            All seven members of the IMF’s apparent boss – the G7 group of wealthy nations – agree the IMF should be allowed to decide for itself. But any sales of the IMF’s gold must be approved by 85% of the organization’s total voting power.

            The United States, as the largest single member nation, holds a crucial 17% of that power – giving it an absolute veto over that 85% requirement. And the US, as the largest single member of the IMF, also contributed the largest single share of the IMF’s gold.

            Would Congress approve a sale of this “IMF gold” to help shore up IMF finances? The US blocked a previous attempt to sell IMF gold in 2005. And with an election now looming, albeit with Ron Paul firmly out of the running, the idea of selling “legacy gold” to cover a short-term funding gap might not appeal to US politicians amid the current debt-led recession.

            IMF Gold Sales: The Revenge of Gold?

            “Gold played a central role in the international monetary system until the collapse of the Bretton Woods system of fixed exchange rates in 1973,” as the International Monetary Fund itself explains.

            “Since then, the role of gold has been gradually reduced,” the IMF claims. But that’s only true for the official and government sectors. For many private individuals, Gold Investment has fast been regaining its monetary role ever since this bull market began in 2001.

            Not gold as money that passes from hand to hand when you buy and sell. But gold as the perfect asset for meeting the second key requirement of money – a reliably rare and highly-prized asset that holds its value over time.

            Any IMF gold sales in 2008 would at least avoid selling gold at the bottom, which is what Gordon Brown, then the UK chancellor, did in June 1999. His infamous 400-tonne sale knocked Gold Prices sharply lower when they were announced. But then, gold was in a bear market; it had been falling for nearly two decades.

            Whereas any new IMF gold sales today would instead meet with a strong bid from anxious investors and private householders looking to defend their wealth.

            If it sells gold now, the IMF looks very unlikely to dent Gold Prices. Indeed, “every time the IMF has sold gold it has actually triggered more buying interest,” says Mario Innecco, a broker at MF Global in London, to Bloomberg.

            “It will just make it easier for the big sovereign buyers” – the big central banks outside the G7 who want to build up their gold reserves – “to snap up cheap gold from the IMF.”

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          4. Truth Is Self-Evident

            There you go again, Curious, using verifiable facts and sound logical conclusions… how dare you!

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          5. Curious

            Greetings, TISE:

            ;o)

            Blessings, wisdom, knowledge, understanding…. and peace!
            C

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    2. Citizen

      Vera Dolt…

      “worship money”….

      No proponents of Honest Money “value” hard work and “thrift” and dislike the idiots who would re-distribute others earning for political gain.

      Only ignorant people would “worship money”
      And only ignorant idiots would loosely accuse someone of worshiping money….

      You aren’t one of those are YOU?

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      1. Truth Is Self-Evidentstem

        Hypocrite!

        The gold standard is a wealth transfer system too. Better go back and read for comprehension next time!

        Artificial profits from FORCING people to use gold while allowing gold to be freely traded on the open market is like a Ponzi scheme.

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        1. Curious

          Greetings, All:

          Okay… An epiphany…

          GOLD is subject to the same INFLATION AND DEFLATION SCHEME of ROBBING WEALTH as paper currency is.

          In stock market vernacular, it’s called: “Pump and Dump”…

          Drive up the price by fear and greed, and cause a sell-off by fear and greed on a peak: PROFIT (in a paper currency of your choice).

          To the true investor, what matters is PURCHASING POWER, not gold, silver, or any particular form of currency.

          So gold is subject to the same inflation/deflation scheme that paper notes are, just a different mechanism, is all.

          And there you have it, Citizen. What say you in defense of your precious metal?

          You know what I’m saying is TRUE…

          I’ve noticed lately that most of my charges directed to you, Citizen, go unanswered. What happened? Cat got your tongue?

          If you ignore the truth, it doesn’t go away…

          One day you may wake up and find your precious coins will not be worth all the dollars you invested in them… when the bubble pops…

          That’s one of the problems about “easy money”… It creates false hopes and dreams…

          Wishing you BIG EYES!
          C

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  3. All Seeing Eye

    Gold is Mammon’s feces, no wonder Citizen loves it so!

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    1. Citizen

      All Bloated Sphincter Eye

      Gold is a God given metal, fool proof,

      Even defeating fools like you sir.

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      1. Vera

        Gold is God?

        That explains a lot.

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        1. Citizen

          Vera,

          You say that Gold is YOUR God?

          Wow, You need to have a come to Jesus experience…

          Praise God

          Mint Coin

          Burn Paper

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          1. Vera

            I acknowledge your projection.

            I do not worship gold as YOU do.

            Your words reveal this, not MINE !!!

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  4. Truth Is Self-Evident

    Citizen Socialist;

    Why all this talk of confiscating peoples’ (gold) property?

    You are sick in the head!

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    1. Citizen

      TISF,

      I didn’t say confiscate “peoples” gold
      just all the gold in the FED Reserve vaults…
      Converting it into MINTED COIN

      After all, it was the FED that got us to this level of debased currency.
      The FED didn’t exercise its fudiciary financial restraint to protect American’s from over spending out credit worthiness…

      So doesn’t make sense to rest back control of OUR GOLD from the creeps that confiscated and defrauded US for the past 98 year?

      Like I said,
      We the People
      will give the FED $20.27 for each ounce they own, just what they paid for it…
      before they flooded the world with their trash fiat paper!

      Justice Served!!

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  5. Douglas

    Sound money realistically. It is not possible for the Federal Reserve to physically print into circulation all the digital credits they have created through their policies with private banks. They are printing money 24 seven to try and keep up with common demand.

    So why are they allowing paper money in circulation to be depleted? Because this is what their policy is doing, a system in a stall mode. The bail out was a tasty treat of real blood sweet and tear tax money. Not the stuff they create out of thin air. You must try and follow the money trail to understand what makes it tangible. It is only the fact that people get up off their butts and do work for it that makes it truly tangible. The speculative markets only sabotage this effort.

    Why is the Federal Reserve taking no action for the common working class citizen, because it would not be profitable for them? They have exceeded their leverage. Doubling the price of real-estate has only lasted so long for them as they used it to sustain their CFR global economy.

    You are to them a cow who needs to be managed like an animal. Their scientist has them blowing smoke up there butts to tell them why our civilization is unsustainable and for them it always comes down to population control.

    This is satanic barbaric economics.

    JFK saw how by canceling these international ludicrous users would benefit the masses. Then when he took a logical action, he got a bullet, a bullet that was very well planed out.

    I know what we are dealing with and I am not afraid of them. What are they going to kill me? Another will follow, and another until justice is done. God loves Planet Earth and wants US to become part of its evolution. The Angels who are responsible for evolving the ecological and biological systems on Planet Earth over several hundreds of millions of years want US to take our experience the next step further. This is how the Universe expands thru the experiences of the partakers who want to experience more. The usurers only suck the blood out of the partakers. The users are like the ones who say let us get are kicks while we can and who cares about the rest.

    Operating Constitutional Monetary Policy will provide a sustainable system of issuance which will always be proportional to the needs of the population involved. Thus the issuance is managed through proper representation and never by the amount of speculative asset value upon leverage.

    Consider that the Human Species has many bodies comprised of particles that exist on higher plans from our physical atomic bodied particles (not possible to detect with scientific instruments comprised of physical atomic particles). It is like a hard drive that records experiences over many lifetimes. We are doing well and learning our lessons. So keep up the good work. We will never forget!

    The Final Frontier is Spiritual not physical.

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    1. TruthSeeker

      “It is only the fact that people get up off their butts and do work for it that makes it truly tangible.”

      Indeed Douglas, that is the name of the game! We breath life into their money when we assign it the value of our sweat, blood, and tears! before that in time, it has no value besides what costs in paper and ink to make! When it comes out of the print shop, it is only paper and ink. This system of fraud is built on our consent to honor this paper money. It is us, our labor, and our productivity that gives it value. In that sense, this money becomes real money as it is backed by us; otherwise, it has no value! The original architects of the Federal Reserve System realized this fact when they managed to pass into law the FRBA. They were already set for passing also the Federal Income Tax Act without which the first Act would have had no significance! If there was no debt and hence no interest on the paper money they create for us, their entire money scheme would collapse!

      I have a solution that I contemplated for all our problems extending also to wars, wasteful spending, and every other corruption we have. It is simple but difficult to implement: STOP paying taxes and trash out the FED money! Create any form of local money that will be honored in local communities. It could be gold, silver, copper, paper, or a plastic gift card that is redeemable for its face value within the local community. Bottom line, we tell this corrupt oppressive system head off to hell and leave us alone. We have no need for the bastards and should we stand all united as one power, there is no way in hell they could stop us. This requires 90% of our population at minimum. We then build our local communities and depend on our own productivity to make it. Sounds too primitive? Maybe the only way for pressing survival unless we get a decent government made of decent representatives. I doubt that we will ever get one in the near future. I though hope and pray to be wrong!

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      1. Citizen

        TS,

        You’re getting warmer….

        “”Create any form of local money that will be honored in local communities. It could be gold, silver, copper, (NO paper), or a plastic gift card that is redeemable for its face value within the local community.””

        It must be CONSTITUTIONAL money
        MINT COIN….
        money substitutes like paper notes and plastic are NOT money…

        CONFISCATE the gold back from the banks….
        Buy the Gold back at the SAME PRICE that they paid for it!!!
        $20.27 per ounce!!

        Give every US citizen the opportunity to redeem their grand parents gold…
        Then
        burn the Fed Reserve Notes…

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        1. TruthSeeker

          “CONFISCATE the gold back from the banks….
          Buy the Gold back at the SAME PRICE that they paid for it!!!
          $20.27 per ounce!!”

          I agree 100%, but my question is: did the private owners of the FED pay any money for the gold they have gotten from us through our treasonous government! It is the same question I ask about our debt. Is it a legitimate debt that we must pay back at interest?

          If the answer to the second question is NO, then I would NOT pay a single penny for it! A stolen property should NOT be paid for by the victim of theft or larceny!

          As for me getting warmer, you believe what you want to believe. From the start I made it clear that I am on the side of the citizens. I despise both the banks and the corrupt government. I have NOT changed a hair! I suggest that you start listening to your opponents more closely and stop throwing false accusation at them. You may be surprised to find out that you have more common grounds with them that you ever thought!

          Banks do NOT worry me much; it is the this huge government machine that has armies of mercenaries and bullies who are willing to storm out any possible revolt at all expense. Our citizens have been sleep and intoxicated for too long and either they have become defenders of the victimize-r or simply do NOT care one way or the other. As I continue to repeat, our problem far exceeds any monetary shape or form. We have a totally sell out government ruled by elite gangs and thugs. It is the 2% or less against the rest! Most of our government officials come from this class of 2% elite. If you do NOT believe me, do your own research!

          We simply have no constitutional government anymore. Everything is a sham and if it were NOT for the sincerity and decency of most of our hardworking ordinary citizens, we would have been all finished long time ago! Thank God He is still in control! I agree with Douglas: The Final Frontier is Spiritual not physical. If we ever get this straight, we have what it takes to prevail.

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          1. Citizen

            TS,

            Come on dude…
            Don’t get greedy on me… you can’t have everything, if we TAKE the gold back we should do it at a reasonable price….

            Of course the FED would go bankrupt… but so be it…
            I know you’lll shed a tear or two… but collect yourself and lets move on.

            As for the DEBT… or Government owes others…
            We would revalue that debt into a new gold backed currency that the people would have in THEIR POCKETS…

            We can pay it back over a 30 year period like a mortgage BECAUSE we will have reduced our government by 80% leaving us a surplus in tax revenues to repay the debt…

            The biggest key to the whole thing is holding the NEW government to less than 15% of GDP….

            That includes having all those entitlement programs going away.
            And a restored basic Constitution

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    2. Citizen

      Hi Douglas,

      Wow, another MPE clone….you write just David and Truth Seeker???

      “Operating Constitutional Monetary Policy will provide a sustainable system of issuance which will always be proportional to the needs of the population involved. Thus the issuance is managed through proper representation and never by the amount of speculative asset value upon leverage. “”

      Yep.. that 1:1:1 magic ration of an Evenly Rotating Economy, yes sir all we need is a hand full of “Honest Bankers and Politicians” and our dreams of utopia will be realized…

      You know, no matter how many Avatars you clone into, the same FALSE notions will alway remain FALSE!

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      1. Truth Is Self-Evident

        If I was a gold speculator who only cared about myself…

        I would write EXACTLY what Citizen does!

        Sad, but true.

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    3. Citizen

      Hi Douglas,

      Is it Mr McArther?… whatever…

      “”Sound money realistically. It is not possible for the Federal Reserve to physically print into circulation all the digital credits they have created through their policies with private banks””

      I don’t know for certain, but my guess is that the FED generates 80% or more of its FICTICIOUS currency via Cyber-Magic. It’s so much easier…

      “”So why are they allowing paper money in circulation to be depleted? “”
      Because “paper money in circulation” is almost a non-existant reality.
      Almost NO ONE pays using actual cash paper notes…
      We get our paychecks via direct deposit,
      we buy our stuff with plastic,
      we pay our plastic via digital banking….
      Therefore WHAT MONEY is really being used…

      The fallacy that we need a bunch of fiat paper money to run our economy is utter nonsense… The fraud is that they can mis-manage our currency without much effort of having to anti-up anything REAL!
      A “perfect” bankster scam if there ever was one.

      “”You must try and follow the money trail…””
      Good luck with that notion…., there is no stinkin money trail, just a bunch of binary terrabytes of data on a mainframe storage farm…

      Like I said, We have only two choices…
      Physical Coin
      OR
      Implant Chips

      “”Why is the Federal Reserve taking no action for the common working class””
      That’s a retorical question right?

      “” God loves Planet Earth and wants US to become part of its evolution.
      The Angels who are responsible for evolving the ecological and biological systems on Planet Earth over several hundreds of millions of years want US to take our experience the next step further.””

      You sound like a Urantia reader?

      “”Operating Constitutional Monetary Policy will provide a sustainable system “”
      YES it will as long as it’s MINTED COIN and not paper.

      “”The Final Frontier is Spiritual not physical. “”

      Praise God

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      1. All Seeing Eye

        If you believe the world is going to stop using electronic money, paper money, and do something that has never been done… use gold for money rather than for barter as it was historically, then you are indeed looney tunes.

        Insane in the membrane!

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        1. Citizen

          All Bloated Sphincter Eye,

          “”If you believe the world is going to stop using electronic money, paper money, and…
          The paper and plastic will disintigrate in a flash… the currency markets are based on total fabrication of fiat paper values, stocks, banks and plastic credit will collapse in short order

          “”” do something that has never been done… use gold for money…””
          There will be no alternate for use as currency when the paper fails in a flash…

          Government will attempt to issue plastic debit cards as they did after Katrina… but even that will only buy a few weeks.

          Next, everyone gets a chip… IMPLANTED…
          choose your poison

          Minted Coin
          or
          Chip

          Insane in the membrane!

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          1. Vera

            How can you prove how much gold you have to make a purchase, for you surely can’t carry any around. One would get robbed really quick. No sir, you are off your rocker, this is the 21st Century… A.D., not B.C. Good luck on your gold speculation, but don’t kill yourself because the rest of us don’t share your belief in gold. So sorry.

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  6. Bob

    The American Citizen today can be compared to a milk cow. Being led into the enslavement of the milking machinery developed by the United States American Congress of these modren times over the last hundred years. Through treaty and civil economic law, beaurcratic regulation, judicial opinion and rulings in case law. In apeasment with the British royal crown and the Federal Reserve board and chairman.

    The American Citizen milk cow is being milk and enslaved into the machinery developed. To milk every thing from the working class Citizen from life to death and beyond to there childrens, children. The American Citizen sole purpose as the national gross product, is sole purpose is the purchasing agent for a consumer consumption drivin economy. The perfect Milk Cow.

    In this form of system true and complete owner ship of property is a illussion. Never really to be obtained by any. Owner ship is likened to a gold carrot dangling in the face of the American Citizen perpetualy out of reach for all.
    The purpose to enslave and motivate for purchase in a matierial based economy. Purposly depriciating in time. destined for a pre concieved collapse. In a cycle to maintain the trap of prepetual enslavement through endless debt for unowned property.

    The latest scheme is the Lottery swipping the Nation. Drawing in all the American Citizens it can dangling the gold carrot a, few large winners that must also pay what is won to collect what is due to them. Leaving in its path in destitute, broken American Citizens deeper enslaved and deeper in debt.

    This is the type of economy that requires a monitary system based on fiat dollars indebted dollars. Worth less paper notes except for the debt they represent.

    Not so in an economy based on value and total debt free, tax free owner ship of real property. Where The American Citizen has all the rights of The United States Of American Constitution. In the Owner ship of the American Citizen’s Property. The American Citizen has sovereignty and is a King in the American Citzen’s own right. All dollars by gold and silver are debt free and backed by The American soverneign Citizen. True Absolute wealth is in the owner ship of real property. That cannot be leaned, bonded, or taxed or confinscated. For any reason. The persute of happieness, liberty and freedom, No more enslavement, to live in peace. On ones own property without the threat of intrussion and or confenscation. The Citizen can become an economy of the Citizens own makining. In terms of real wealth Individualy and completely.

    The American Citizen has been brain washed by cliche’s. Like it is enevitable death and taxes, Don’t work hard. on and on the half truths and lies.
    Like all structures built on rot sooner or later they must be torn down or they will fall down. Eather way the structure will be rebuilt. How will the American Citizen decide how they will rebuild when it falls this time?

    The begining to the right path is to PUT RON PAUL IN THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STAES OF AMERICA.

    VOTE FOR RON PAUL.

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  7. TruthSeeker

    Top Secret America? What is That? It is the fourth branch of our government that was created after 911 without constitutional amendment, probably under the authority of the Patriot Act?

    http://projects.washingtonpost.com/top-secret-america/

    Well, it is gigantic, secretive, dangerous, and damn wasteful to our tax dollar. And you wonder why we are in debt and things are getting worse?

    Well, what can we do to uproot this gigantic evil?
    The Private FED
    Banks
    Bailouts
    Tax Cuts for the Wealthy
    Greedy Corporations
    Wars
    Military Basis Everywhere
    Top Secret America
    Military Industrial Complex
    Patriot Act
    Prison Industry
    Drug Cartel
    CIA Coups and Assassinations

    Boy we got so much to work on! We need so many people to wake up before it is too late. Support Ron Paul and be ready for the alternative if Ron Paul does NOT win!

    What should we do? Any good thoughts?

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    1. Citizen

      TS,

      “Good thoughts..?.”

      Sure, fix the problem… not the blame…

      We know what to do, now lets get er done!

      Take back OUR gold, MINT COIN and burn the fed paper

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      1. All Seeing Eye

        We all know you are stupid, so let me help you.

        Step one in solving any problem is to identify the problem. This includes the people responsible. Blame is an excuse by you, not the end of the road for justice, but no court will act without a perp… dumbass!

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        1. Citizen

          All Bloated Sphincter Eye

          Do have any smarter friends?

          You know, anyone who doesn’t use stupid adolescent Jr High “dumb ass” language to expose their obvious ignorance!

          Clearly you need to upgrade your trash act…

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          1. Dope Head

            Do have any smarter friends?

            Are I stupid?

            How am stoned I?

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  8. TruthSeeker

    Unless banks commit some crime that is indefensible, our duty is to support them in every way we can! Wall Street is Main Street! Is it time for head harvest? I say YES, clear the way to the gallows!

    http://www.realecontv.com/page/4741.html

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    1. Citizen

      Hey TS,

      No need to get violent and cut heads off….

      Just commendeer the banks that store bullion gold and FORCE them to deliver that gold to the US TREASURY….

      The US Treasury MUST MINT gold to COIN
      Then make a Redemption Call for all private citizens to exchange their FED note paper into coin…

      NO single US Citizen gets more than $2 Million exchanged, those who hold more that $2 Million in FED notes… Tough S…t

      Exchange rate is determined by number of ounces versus population with valid proof of citizenship

      After all… Bernanke said that “gold is not money” so why not
      Confiscate and take it back; returning it to the citizens….

      I mean, it’s just sitting around doing nothing but collecting dust in the FED basement vaults?

      Even TS should agree with that “non-violent” approach?

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      1. Truth Is Self-Evident

        You are such an idiot.

        Since there is not enough gold in the universe to replace all the current money, who gets the gold and who gets screwed?

        Yeah, why would you care!

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        1. Citizen

          TISE

          “”there is not enough gold in the universe to replace all the current money..””

          Now that’s undoubtedly the most complete economic moronic statement ever made….!

          Such an ignorance statement doesn’t warrant even the least rebuttle…

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  9. TruthSeeker

    A broken system in every way! Mainstream Media??? What is exactly that?

    http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/news-media-corruption/jubilation-as-tripoli-fallsin-india-.html

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  10. TruthSeeker

    I have been thinking lately about the gold affair. I do NOT think it is going to be implemented before all gold in public possession is bought up by the bankers and the money dynasties. The gold keep going up to encourage people to sell more than buy. There will be a point that people will be selling, but buying no more because the price will be too high to buy. Bankers with their gift free bailouts in trillions will continue to exchange the easy Bernanke money for gold. There will be sometime in the future where all gold or the vast majority of it in the banks’ vaults. At that point in time, the gold standard has a strong possibility of being implemented, but NOT before.

    As for gold bugs who have been in the game earlier than the rest, they should be glad that gold continues to go up and Bernanke continues to print more money. It can NOT get better than that for them. If I were a gold bug, I would NOT say a word about the gold standard!

    As for Ron Paul calling for the gold standard, he may as well knows that it will NOT happen soon, but it is a good thing to throw in his campaign agenda anyhow to draw another class of supporters. This is a tough world and you got to do what you got to do to have a chance of winning an election.

    For that reason, I think it is a waste of time to continue debating the gold standard. We should be discussing how we should eliminate the current money fraud which will persist even in the gold standard as long as the money control stays the same. Just a thought I wanted to share!

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    1. Citizen

      TS,

      I gave you a thumbs UP

      Because you’ve come to the correct and only conclusion…
      We the people need to TAKE OUR gold back from the FED and Banksters..

      That means that all of the stock piled bullion needs to be coverted into COIN and there needs to be a Citizen Redemption of paper notes for COIN money..

      Of course they won’t…..go along willingly, they will fight tooth and nail to keep what they’ve stolen over the past 98 years of paper printing fraud….
      There may not be enough for a 20:1 exchange, but what ever the exchange ratio,
      Private US Citizens must SEIZE the bullion and it must be distributed to individual Citizens FIRST.

      We may have to repudiate our National Debt to all foreign holders, We’ve defaulted as a nation, it is impossible to pay the debt off, we will never be able to collect enough future taxes to ever even come close…
      Its Over, we are Bankrupt….
      It’s time to Start Over with a clean slate!

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  11. Truth Is Self-Evident

    * * * Ron Paul 2012 * * *

    End the Wars of Empire
    Restore the Republic
    End the Federal Reserve
    Restore the Constitution
    End the PATRIOT Act
    Restore the Rule of Law
    End the WTO + NAFTA
    Restore the Jobs

    If this is not worth fighting for, then America is finished!

    Do something today to promote Ron Paul.
    Do it for America…
    Do it for YOU !!!

    * * * Ron Paul 2012 * * *

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    1. Citizen

      Dizy TISE

      “”Restore the Jobs””
      Yep, support Union feather bedding, support CCC, dig holes and fill them in again…
      Restore the buggy wip industry, as sexual aids….

      Restore the Constitution

      MINT COIN…
      burn the FED paper

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      1. Truth Is Self-Evident

        Once again… YOU LIE.

        Screw the unions and screw idiots like you!

        My message is clear, you are pathetic for even trying to twist it into something I never supported… unions.

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        1. Truth Is Self-Evident

          As I stated long ago here, I am a capitalist as defined by Adam Smith, not by some CORPORATIST who is lying and claiming to be a capitalist.

          Corporations, UNIONS, and trade associations all undermine capitalism, not improve or enhance it. So states Adam Smith, along with the lengthy explainations as to why.

          Stop your LIES, Citizen Eichmann.

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          1. Citizen

            Simple TISE

            So Adam Smith (1723-1790) is your model economist..?

            “”Corporations, UNIONS, and trade associations all undermine capitalism, not improve or enhance it. So states Adam Smith…”

            18th Century economics is by any stretch a parrallel transference to our 21st world. 18th Century was dominated by Colonialism, Empire building and subjagation and explotation of all under developed

            “Smith expounded how rational self-interest and competition can lead to economic prosperity.” Wiki

            “By pursuing his own interest he frequently promotes that of the society more effectually than when he really intends to promote it”
            J. Smith

            In J. Smith’s day, the largest capital formation was The East India Company or the Mississippi Company, a John Law creation.
            Stocks were still sold on street corners by fish mongers.

            Mercantile Merchants were the order of the day, Gold Smiths were Depostitories and Bank Note were issued redeemable in gold coin…
            All things you vehemately hate! You’re definitely not a “renessaunce man”

            But YOU… believe that Capital Formation must be reduced to no more than some misterious threshold???
            What, no more than $10M or should we lower it too $2M.

            So Mr TISE Smith, what’s your “comfort” level of corporate capitalism?? If any?

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          2. Truth Is Self-Evident

            Corporate Capitalism?

            If you believe in that…
            then you must also believe in Marxist Freedom!

            Corporatism is not capitalism.

            Capitalism by it’s very nature is about individuals, not conglomerations of several to many peoples’ money, organized into a corporation and granted the legal status of a single living person.

            Idiot…

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        2. Citizen

          TISF,

          Oh you don’t support unions?? Hmmm I guessed wrong…

          But NO, your message is NOT CLEAR….
          Aside from the obvious anger and hate speak… your message appears to be Sedition and Murderous intent against ALL capital formation…

          Please spare me your “political” platitude agenda….
          Tell me more about your “Honest Money” ideas…
          Last I remember it was simply more of the same…Print More Paper?

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          1. Truth Is Self-Evident

            Oh, I see… the problem is you’re illiterate!

            I oppose unacountable printing, and posted such a thousand times already, but silly me, you can’t comprehend plain English.

            Better go get yourself a Hooked on Phonics, Citizen-Idiot.

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  12. 60srad

    Ignore the Ponzi markets, including the precious metals hysteria. Get a clue.

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  13. PeoplePower

    Ignore the weather, keep eyes on the financial markets, go buy silver & gold folks.

    Go Ron Paul :-)

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  14. Citizen

    World Wide Silver production is 735 Million oz. annually

    or approximately 29.4 Billion USD

    A commodity that is common enough and sufficient to supplement and support global growth as in a bi-metal currency market economy..

    A system that could ELMINATE the Fiat Paper Money Fraud system.

    The alternates are
    More of the same Fiat Paper Money fraud
    OR
    Chip Implants

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  15. Citizen

    Can gold be mined in sufficient quantities to sustain global growth??

    The currrent gold mining is producing average 2300 metric tonnes annually.
    2300 * 2,204.62lbs * 16 = 81,130,016 oz

    In terms of highly inflated USD paper notes… at $1800 UDS/ oz
    Or 146,034,028,800 USD

    The current outstanding M2 of USD is estimated to be $7.9 Trillion…
    which represent the **baseline** for ALL currency outstanding which support approximately $14 Trillion US annual GDP.

    Hard currency grow to the baseline currency, only needs to be 0.25% of the M2 baseline to sustain a US econimic growth 3%.
    Because not All GDP is not coverted into currency.
    or
    19,750,000,000 USD
    Thus the annual current production of 81,130,016 oz
    at current USD values would easily support our GDP

    MINT COIN
    burn paper

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    1. Momma Didn't Raise Any Fools

      Citizen Fool,

      How are you going to place all world gold production into the excluse use of money, and not all world money, just United States money at that?

      I bet you would go to war to take everyone’s gold too.

      You’re an idiot.

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      1. Citizen

        Sure she did…

        “”How are you going to place all world gold production into the excluse use of money””

        You don’t have to…

        “”I bet you would go to war to take everyone’s gold too.””
        Sure, why not, we’re at war in North Africa, why not South Africa too!

        Mother’s favorite FOOL…

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        1. Truth Is Self-Evident

          I agree, you are your mother’s favorite fool, Citizen!

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  16. Warren Buffet

    Please go to a gold standard.

    It won’t help the nation, but we are screwed anyway, but it will make make me secure along the way as I never have to work again and live off my artificial golden profits. Why should we all suffer the same fate?

    Gold is MY God… BELIEVE in GOLD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  17. matt

    YouTube video

    You Own A Bond Crown Connection 4 ..1776

    I wish that everyone watches this!!!

    BY: matt, TM

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  18. Douglas

    Constitutional Currencies congressionally issued under the United States Constitution would not have such an effect as we see currently compounding CFRs Global Economy.

    What we are dealing with is CFRs forced grown Global Economic System. One that brings great National debts and great National over production and over consumption. Thus they are the ones destroying the Planet Earth.

    Getting back to grass roots (Congressional) issuance of currency will be an interesting challenge. The CFR globalist see the answer as a cashless global digital system implanted in a computer chip. The problem is that CFRs entire system of Monetary Control has nothing to do with the proper natural expantion of Natural Monetary Policy.

    Usury is not within the equation of Natural Laws. The Univers only expand sustainable within Natural Laws. So why we continue to see unsustainable situations? This is the lesson we are learning over the Ages.

    Scientifically we can see how the Earths ecological and biological systems have achieved sustainability. Sustainability is a slow and natural process, one that can only be sustainable through proper representation.

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    1. Citizen

      Douglas,

      “”Sustainability is a slow and natural process, one that can only be sustainable through proper representation. “”

      Your right on…, natural law and physics is a governor of physical growth.
      An economy that is artificially “stimulated” with a fiat credit expansion “inflation bubble”, money out of Thin Air, is destined to collapse “deflation bust”

      Yet governments over the ages have debased the coin currency, have used worthless Fiat Paper Money over the past 200 years and
      NOW… they have “Cyber-Cash” at their greedy little fingertips to promote thier ill will political agendas

      Digital chips and the internet have become the tools of FINANCIAL and MONETARY DECEPTION. No longer is the FED constrained by the “printing press” Uncle Ben is able to put $5 Trillion in USD anywhere he wants INSTANTLY….completely in secret!

      I suspect we’d be horrified if we audited the FED and really knew the truth…

      What’s more amonous is that the “CFR gobalists” are prepared to “implant” all people in the developed world with unique ID chips to “absolutely control” all commerce.
      “no man my buy or sell, lest he has the mark…”

      It is coming

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    2. Citizen

      Douglas,

      p.s.

      What’s angers the “CFR globalists” and why they hate a gold standard…
      Is because it constrains their agenda of absolute control….

      Gold Coin has no serial numbers its not traceable, it can’t be duplicated out of thin air, and if it’s made to be legal tendar, it can’t be hoarded and manipulated when it is widely held by souverign citizens

      Oh, and annual mining of gold IS able to keep up with the “natural” growth requirements for currency…not a hyper expansion PAPER.
      A fallacy often tauted by the Fiat Money Trolls, is that there must be enough gold coin to represent ALL material assets in physical existance… That is flat wrong.

      ALL of the gold bricks as currently stored in all the world banks…. needs to be MINTED into COINS and “distributed” into circulation and held by citizens so that it can no longer be “hoarded” and “manipulated” by the banksters…

      The Fiat Paper Money is doomed to collapse…
      We have two choices thereafter….
      MINT COIN
      or
      IMPLANT CHIPS

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      1. TruthSeeker

        “ALL of the gold bricks as currently stored in all the world banks…. needs to be MINTED into COINS and “distributed” into circulation and held by citizens so that it can no longer be “hoarded” and “manipulated” by the banksters…”

        Very well Citizen. How do you think we can ask the banks to do that? This gold is NOT the banks” It was fraudulently obtained from conspiring governments for interest-debt money in the first place. So do we just “ask the banks” as if the banks had any constitutional authority to MINT COINS? That simple???

        How are we going to do that!

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      2. Momma Didn't Raise Any Fools

        I don’t know anything about CFR globalists other than I oppose their UNACCOUNTABLE printing without AUDITS.

        I refuse to be DUPED into CHANGING the form of oppression too, as the gold standard is a FRAUD, it cause depressions and needless suffering.

        The solution to our problems is to punish the thieves and restitution to the victims, not allowing the thieves to keep what they have stolen and use these ill gotten gains to steal the rest of our wealth through gold scarcity.

        You love gold so much… NO PROBLEM, buy all you desire in a free market, but keep the market free of gold coersion by forcing this golden fraud upon us all.

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  19. Rpicardo

    Time to step it up Dr. Paul. You ARE the top tier candidate. Let’s put Obama in the defensive, act like we own the Republicans and you ARE the next republican president for 2012. Obama made many promises, a stimulus that would usher in new wealth. The people did not see an immediate change. We thought, maybe it takes a little longer for the economy to improve. We waited… still no improvement.

    Let’s make promises to the people. If we elect Dr. Paul, we won’t have to wait years to see a change. We will see immediate improvements in the economy by bringing our troops home. Local businesses will grow around military bases. Do you live near a military base or military community? Does your business thrive on your military patrons? Imagine getting double the amount you currently make by serving our men in uniform.

    Are taxes hurting your business? With Ron Paul, the rich won’t be the only ones getting a tax cut. YOU will be getting a tax cut.

    Are you sick of Wall Street bailouts? By supporting Sound Money, and following the Constitution, Ron Paul will ensure that this never happens again.

    Are you sick of working so hard and having so little to show for it? With Sound Money, you will in effect be making MORE MONEY for the same amount of time you put out. (You ask how??? Look up the bookEnd the Fed”, gotta keep it simple and the intellectuals can go look it up).

    Ron Paul will automatically give people on a payroll a PAY RAISE! How can government do this you ask? Because he’s Ron Paul and he will gradually decrease income tax!

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    1. Citizen

      Rpicardo,

      You know Ron Paul very well,
      Both parties fear him,
      the Dems because he would decimate the Social Welfare State
      and
      the GOP because he would decimate the Corporate Warfare State

      A Ron Paul presidency would mean government would be cut drastically back to a manageble level, less than 10% GDP would be ideal.

      Getting rid of all of the regulatory agencies, cutting the entitlements back to minimum levels and reducing our military to “defense” not “offensive” levels

      That alone would releash $2.5 Trillion of investment capital into the US economy to build new industries and create millions of new jobs.

      Reducing the OVERHEAD costs of our Massive Government to less than 10% would reduce our costs of production and would make “Made In America” a competitive product world wide…

      That current 24% that goverment absorbs today is destructive to economic growth.
      We can not Hope to Compete in a world economy unless we get that number down below 10% or less.

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      1. Keep It Real

        Charging interest is more destructive to economy then any level of government. Gold solves nothing for our nation; but hey, I invested in gold, so a gold standard will at least make me much richer than today. Stop the selfish lies Citizen. It is not a crime to want to be rich, but it is a SIN to keep up your LIES behind your selfish motives.

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  20. Rpicardo

    We need to dumb down the concept of “honest money” for the average person. With honest money, your savings will be worth more and you can retire sooner since your money will retain its value. You will have to work less to survive with honest money!

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  21. Curious

    Just thought it interesting that today the DOW is UP 130 at the moment, and gold $27, on news that Bernanke is NOT going to stimulate the world with more cyber cash…

    Go figure…? I’m so confused…. ;o)

    See what I mean about speculation?

    Usually gold shoots to the moon when new money is being generated…

    And stock markets seem to love when Benevolent Ben is raining down mula…

    …Treasuries are UP…

    Anomalies…

    Ya just never know…

    Blessings, Everyone…

    There’s always *real* hope… God hears…

    C

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  22. Curious

    Greetings, All:

    An interesting article… Just FYI…

    I guess SOME banks in the US are *over-capitalized. Europe’s loss is their gain.

    Peace, health, happiness, wisdom, strength, and faith,
    C

    U.S. Banks Seek Relief on Swelling Deposits

    U.S. regulators have asked some banks to take more deposits from large investors even if it’s unprofitable, and lenders in return are seeking relief on insurance premiums and leverage ratios, according to six people with knowledge of the talks.

    Deposits are flooding into the biggest U.S. banks as customers seek shelter from Europe’s debt crisis and falling stock prices. That forces lenders to raise capital for a growing balance sheet and saddles them with the higher deposit insurance payments. With short-term interest rates so low, it’s hard for financial firms to reinvest the new money profitably.

    Regulators have asked banks to take the deposits anyway, three people said, with one lender accepting $100 billion. The regulators want lenders to take the deposits because it improves the stability of the financial system, according to one of the people, who said U.S. banks are viewed as places of strength.

    Some of the largest ones have talked with regulators about softening rules for ratios that measure capital and assets, according to the people, who declined to be identified because talks are private. At least one asked for a waiver on paying higher premiums to the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp., which is less likely to be granted, one of the people said.

    “If the helicopter comes raining money on your bank and it’s only temporarily there, it could be excessively costly and disruptive,” said Robert Litan, a vice president of research and policy at the Kansas City, Missouri-based Kauffman Foundation, which promotes entrepreneurial business practices.

    Cash Cache
    Cash held by domestically chartered U.S. banks, which includes Federal Reserve balances, rose to a record $1.02 trillion earlier this month, up 27 percent from the end of July last year. Deposits held by the 25 largest lenders expanded to $4.69 trillion in the week ended Aug. 10, up 8.5 percent from the end of May. The Fed’s balances advanced to $1.61 trillion as of Aug. 24, from $1.05 trillion a year earlier.

    The extra deposits are problematic because they’re subject to withdrawal, so banks have to park the money in low-yielding short-term investments, Litan said. With few other choices available, banks have stashed their excess deposits at the Fed, which means the cash gets counted as assets.

    This expands their balance sheets and thus pushes down their leverage ratio, which measures Tier 1 capital divided by adjusted average total assets; the lower the ratio, the weaker the bank, at least in theory. In reality, regulators regard U.S. lenders as relatively strong with sufficient capital cushions, the people said.

    Talks With Regulators
    Lenders have held discussions with officials at the Fed, FDIC, Office of the Comptroller of the Currency and the Treasury Department, according to four of the people. Spokesmen for the four agencies declined to comment.

    Regulators may decide, for example, to ease curbs on deposits swept in from brokerage affiliates as part of any forbearance, said James Chessen, chief economist at the Washington-based American Bankers Association. Under normal circumstances, those deposits could be restricted as part of an enforcement action by regulators, he said.

    “You don’t want costly business decisions driven by these temporary flows and regulators are acknowledging that and acknowledging the limited risk,” Chessen said in a phone interview. “Unusual situations naturally call for a discussion on both sides,” he added in an e-mail.

    While the Fed has been paying 0.25 percent interest on deposits placed with the central bank, known as interest on excess reserves, since late 2008, it may not be enough to erase the cost to banks of holding the deposits, said Robert Eisenbeis, a former head of research at the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta and now chief monetary economist for Sarasota, Florida-based Cumberland Advisors Inc.

    Charging Depositors
    At least one firm, Bank of New York Mellon Corp. (BK), tried to recoup some of the costs by charging depositors 13 basis points, or 0.13 percent, for holding unusually high balances.

    FDIC insurance fees for large banks typically average more than 0.1 percent, three of the people said. In addition, large banks also may apply an internal capital charge of at least 0.1 percent to such reserves, one bank executive estimated.

    Lenders likely reached out to regulators “after having watched what Bank of New York did,” Litan said. “I’m sure the banks said there must be another way.”

    If the FDIC agreed to forgive some fees, it would have to give up some of the extra premiums that it’s counting upon to rebuild the Deposit Insurance Fund, which covers customers for $250,000 per account in the event of a failure. That makes the agency unlikely to grant a waiver, one of the people said, adding that the existence of the insurance is one of the reasons banks are able to attract the deposits.

    Insurance Fund
    The FDIC’s fund, which fell into a deficit of almost $21 billion after a wave of bank failures, turned positive during the second quarter for the first time in two years, the agency reported this week. On April 1, the FDIC changed its formula for assessing premiums, increasing the cost for most large banks and adding to their deposit expenses.

    That’s adding to the pinch on bank profits as revenue shrinks and yields on assets decline. Net interest margins, the difference between what banks pay to borrow and what they make on loans and securities, declined in the second quarter, “reflecting growth in low-yielding balances at Federal Reserve banks,” the FDIC said Aug. 23 in its quarterly report.

    European Crisis
    U.S. deposits may surge again if Europe’s sovereign-debt crisis escalates and the region’s lenders face a funding squeeze. Most of JPMorgan Chase & Co. (JPM)’s almost $53 billion in new deposits in the second quarter were tied to Europe, according to Pri de Silva, a New York-based analyst at CreditSights Inc.

    “If you are a bank you don’t want to use excess capital for these hot-money deposits,” de Silva said.

    Shares of the 24 U.S. firms in the KBW Bank Index (BKX) have declined 28 percent this year. The second-worst performer in the index, Charlotte, North Carolina-based Bank of America Corp. (BAC), lost half its value in 2011 before rebounding this week.

    Most lenders already have capital cushions well above the minimum of 5 percent that would trigger an order from regulators for corrective action, according to one of the people.

    The Tier 1 leverage ratio for Bank of America, the largest U.S. lender, was 6.86 percent at the end of June, while JPMorgan stood at 7 percent, according to second-quarter regulatory filings. Citigroup Inc. (C)’s leverage ratio was 7.05 percent at the end of June, and San Francisco-based Wells Fargo & Co. (WFC)’s was 9.43 percent. Citigroup and JPMorgan are based in New York.

    Changing Assets
    If Citigroup’s average total assets changed by $1 billion, it would alter the leverage ratio by 0.4 basis points, while a $100 million change in Tier 1 capital would affect the leverage ratio by half a basis point, according to the bank’s second- quarter filing.

    Shannon Bell, a Citigroup spokeswoman, Howard Opinsky at JPMorgan, Ancel Martinez at Wells Fargo and Bank of America’s Jerry Dubrowski declined to comment.

    Relaxing the rules or enforcement could be a slippery slope, said Lou Crandall, chief economist at Wrightson ICAP LLC, a Jersey City, New Jersey-based unit of London-based ICAP Plc, the world’s largest inter-dealer broker.

    “Asking for a free pass on the leverage ratio for bank deposits by itself isn’t something that regulators would consider,” Crandall said. “The question is whether banks should be able to exclude reserve balances since they are a risk-free asset.”

    To contact the reporter on this story: Dakin Campbell in San Francisco at dcampbell27@bloomberg.net; Dawn Kopecki in New York at dkopecki@bloomberg.net; Bradley Keoun in New York at bkeoun@bloomberg.net.

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  23. Truth Is Self-Evident

    * * * Ron Paul 2012 * * *

    End the Wars of Empire
    Restore the Republic
    End the Federal Reserve
    Restore the Constitution
    End the PATRIOT Act
    Restore the Rule of Law
    End the WTO + NAFTA
    Restore the Jobs

    If this is not worth fighting for, then America is finished.

    Do something today to promote Ron Paul.
    Do it for America…
    Do it for YOU !!!

    * * * Ron Paul 2012 * * *

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  24. Citizen

    TISE the disey

    “”… neither gold or the linen Fed notes has any inherent value””

    What a bozo, what money monkey, I’ll buy all of your gold for $20 Federal Reserve Notes, just like Dave and TS claim that they are worth…

    Just think TISE, you’ll be rich, and lighter for losing all the dead gold weight!

    “”Only false faith””

    Yes money IS false faith… In God We Trust….
    all others pay in MINTED COIN…

    Fools put their faith in fiat paper printing by divine saints in white robes and angel wings….etc.

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    1. James McGuire

      Sicarius : was a Latin word (dagger-man) for “assassin”, and by extension sometimes used to mean a concealed dagger (sicae). (70 AD)

      Modern Time
      In this so-called modern civilized world, those who wield a dagger, knife or weapon in threat upon persons to obtain unjust enrichment would face immediate retaliation before a tribunal administering justice. The thief having been caught and accused is brought before a court to obtain equitable justice where guilt must be proven beyond any reasonable doubt. Where eyewitness accounts may have become insufficient, intangible proof taken from security cameras offers evidence beyond any reasonable doubt. Law and legal precedence have allowed information residing within the tangible electronic device to be entered and admitted as evidence into court as being proof beyond any reasonable doubt. This intangible electronic data showing a criminal’s activity would be nearly impossible to create without willing participation of the accused.

      We now direct attention to those well hidden financial pen and pencil crooks, oops, electronic book-entry crooks. Book-entry system in the days of pen and pencil were commonly in tangible paper form with appropriately added journal entries entered by trustworthy persons. Early on August 25, 2011 at 9:32 EDT, Bank of America’s stock was valued at $8.70 a share after closing the day before at $6.99 a share. Many media sources reported that Warren Buffet of Berkshire Hathaway was to purchase $5 billion of Bank of America’s shares. Do book-entry crooks really know they are crooks or are they just following blind teachings disguised as how to profit off the market? Science teaches us that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. The same reasoning should apply to the electronic markets, but does it really?

      Combining projected yearly World Gross Domestic Product dollar amounts from 2010 to somewhere in 2016 would finally reach a $600 Trillion Dollar mark which would approximately equal the $600 Trillion Current Day Derivatives Market where in year 2010 the Worlds GDP is $62.8 Trillion and the United States is $14.7 Trillion. 2011 projected numbers respectively show Global value $68.6 Trillion and $15.8 Trillion for the United States. Just for the sheets and grins, projections show the Quadrillion mark would be reached in year 2020 or 2021; it ain’t a space odyssey but a financial odyssey.

      Remember that hard tangible money is created off the blood, sweat and work of the people. The past also teaches that a person will usually resort to the easiest method to generate income. Manufactured products have a finite value, that finite value should be reflected correctly in market data. Hedging futures to control the cost of the products is reasonable, but the market has long gone past that cost value as the intangible secondary derivative market exceeds the tangible value of the primary market by approximately 50 to 1. So long as those who play in this magic confabulated book-entry money world worship each others’ book-entry values, the scheme will continue, regardless of how fraudulent it is. However, if one day this mutual worship of these wildly distorted book entries is lost, then Holy Hell will follow as financial worth will crash into the bowels of deleted binary numbers.

      Financial institutions and governments of the world have been pushing people toward an electronic world all in the name of savings. Herein, paradoxes, where the banks and governments push electronic intangibles, the courts still require tangible proof. Judges scream along with counsel, “You got that off the internet,” but they seem to fail to understand the internet is just a copper/fiber optic connection to the financial institutions’ and governments’ electronic tangible computers which hold the intangible data. Here we shall use a financial institution as an example: when the financial institution’s counsel presents paper tangible copies, the court, whether or not intentional, has failed to realize the source of the information is the same electronic tangible computer passing the binary bit bucket data down copper/fiber optic to a printer instead of over the internet. Other binary bit bucket data retrieved from the same tangible computer presented as evidence by a party other than the financial institution’s counsel is commonly ruled as inadmissible.

      Matters not the method one is killed…dagger, pen, pencil, or binary data; causing death is a crime.
      Let brotherly love continue. Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares. Hebrews 13:1 and 2

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  25. TruthSeeker

    Thanks Curious for the article. Some conning mind schemed the system to be win-win for the elite, lose-lose for the average citizen! So when the dollar drops in value, we have temporary boost in export and domestic sales which justifies more QE which simply pours more money into the pockets of the elite!

    I support Ron Paul although I disagree with him on the gold standard because:

    1. Ron Paul has a sound foreign policy
    2. Ron Paul is against war and empire spending
    3. Ron Paul is against bailouts
    4. Ron Paul is against the FED and debt-interest money

    Those four cornerstone issues if fixed would save us over two trillion dollars a year! That is all we need to eliminate the need for QE money and hence the inflation wining army would have nothing to say about our money! if that ever happens, there would be no need for the gold standard and our money would be just as good as constitutional money in the classic sense!

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  26. Fiat Money Troll

    I support the Fed and Ben Bernanke.

    I oppose those desiring a return to constitutional money, meaning I oppose David, TruthSeeker, Curious, Truth Is Self-Evident, etc.

    I will compromise and go with a gold standard, that will keep me richer than all of you with the added benefit of me never having to work again, as I live off the arificial profits inherent with such a corrupt system. I love corruption, so I love the gold standard as much as the Fed and Bernanke.

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    1. TruthSeeker

      Great Satire FMT!

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    2. Citizen

      Well,

      Looks like your fellow Trolls agree with your TRUTH CONFESSIONS

      You’re such a ….TROLL

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    3. Bob

      A true propigandist Feet Money trool. Who might the real moooony troool be?

      Inteluctual crap. The educated idots love intlectual crap. Like flyes, Bugs that swarm around crap feeding away.

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      1. Intellectual

        Yeah, how aweful that we like to read and immerse ourselves in knowledge, that is so horrible. Thanks for pointing that out, Bob.

        We should all strive to be like you, not knowing our asses from a hole in the ground, and just take our marching orders from the RNC or DNC and FoxNews or MSNBC.

        Ignorance is bliss, and no one is happier than Bob!

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  27. Truth Is Self-Evident

    Historical Fact:

    Communism has never happened in any advanced industrial nation, communism is a tool of oppression in 3rd world nations with abundent poverty, it is peasant driven.

    Fascism is the tool of oppression in advanced industrial nations, and it always involves collusion between the wealthy industrialists and the government. Fascism is a corporate take over of government, promoted by the Elite and retains private ownership so long as those owners unconditionally support the despotic regime.

    America is clearly under threat of fascism, or arguably we are fascist already and for some time now, just not as open and in your face as other fascist regimes of the past. But if the Elite keep driving the middle-class into poverty, perhaps commuism will become a threat at some point.

    We need open and accountable government, not state secrecy and private controls over government, such as the Federal Reserve and the WTO, NAFTA, CAFTA, GATTS, etc. These are fascist institutions and one does not have to be socialist or Marxist to oppose these unConstitutional realities in America!

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    1. Citizen

      Ditzy TISE,

      Communisim or Facism, both are oppression, both are tyranny.

      Just like we have here in the good old USA…

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  28. All Seeing Eye

    Yo Bob, you crackin’ up or certifiable?

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  29. Bob

    Moderate my statement and it puts in question if you support the first amendment of the United States Constitution of America.

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  30. Bob

    There is nothing that needs to be moderated about the opinion I have just stated if those who moniter the site for Ron Paul. Believe in the United States Costitution of America they will display it in all its statement.

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  31. Bob

    When a structure becomes rotten in its foundation, The patching and repairing will no longer do. It must be disassembled the foundation repaired and then the structure must be rebuilt properly.

    The whole of the economy and monetary system is in a state of rot.
    But it must be rebuilt on true value and property owner ship without taxation of that ownership, by lein or bond.

    The founders of this great nation believed that all property owners Citizens are kings in there own property. So there could be no kings above the Citizen of this Republic or enslavement. The United States Constitution of America is the foundation of the law of the land. It has been contaminated with rot and must be fixed.

    By cutting out the rot and disassembling the civil rot laws. Reinstituting the United States Constitution of America in its complete form.

    It is The Congress who should be held accountable for all the rot. Self serving rot.

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    1. Truth Is Self-Evident

      Blob;

      You are so wrong as property taxes existed since the nation’s founding, as the various States were forced to use this route without the power to tax interstate commerce or raise personal income taxes. Otherwise, our tax system is convoluted as the most wealthy have loop-holes and straight out cheat and never pay their fair share. The middle-class is forced to suffer for that injustice.

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  32. Bob

    truth is self evidently in a constant form of state of weeeeeeping out its delussional premises. hypothetical hypocracy in fantasy land.

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  33. Bob

    Truth self evidently has transmuted its mind into oblivion, witout the expression of “E =c”

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  34. Bob

    Truth self evidently is a farce.

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  35. Bob

    What is in a name for all to see? Some pritty fancy handles out there. There are some that profess in there fake name. To be but just that, a fake. Trying to make a delussional statement just in the name they declare. Lets take “truth is self evident” Or is it truth is self evidently????

    So self has found out that, that it is evident? Evidently self is pritty sure of finding the evident in its self. Who Knows??? But self evident in its truth?
    But What in the, Oh my,,,, is its truth? It is a wonder to know?

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    1. Truth Is Self-Evident

      Does someone have a “Bob’s Jibberish to English” dictionary handy?

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      1. Bob

        You are the one weeping peeep squeek. You have proven to be just another blow hearted delussional on the net. Thinking that gold can be counterfit.
        I am fully aware of the elemental physics with out viewing your post. It all has to do with the spliting of the atom. Delussional one. So called truth is evidently a bit insane.

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        1. Truth Is Self-Evident

          You know without reading… but I’m insane!

          ROFLMAO

          Why does Bob show up now after long periods of absence, and use my line of questioning Citizen’s sanity?

          Exposed… RED handed.

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          1. TruthSeeker

            Hi TISE,

            Please do NOT take Bob the blob too serious. Be nice to him!

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          2. Bob

            The reason I do not post much here for long periods of time is. I have stated what needed to be said in my opinion. I do not see any sence in doing what broken records that exsist here and nest such as truuuthy seeker, currrosy, truthy is self evedently and many more. Living in the delussion that some how by there so called intelligent statments they will change the world as we know it.

            It is a farce in moronic aptitude for arrogance to proceed in its id.

            The blind leading the blind to where delussional land.

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