Global Warming
“Global Warming”, which is now frequently called “Climate Change” to hedge against a potential drop in temperatures, has come to be a hotly contested issue. Are there valid concerns that we should consider, or is “Global Warming” just the latest manufactured crisis to cash in on the public’s fears and generate new support for oppressive policies?
On November 20, 2008 Ron Paul said in a New York Times / Freakonomics interview:
“I try to look at global warming the same way I look at all other serious issues: as objectively and open-minded as possible. There is clear evidence that the temperatures in some parts of the globe are rising, but temperatures are cooling in other parts. The average surface temperature had risen for several decades, but it fell back substantially in the past few years.
Clearly there is something afoot. The question is: Is the upward fluctuation in temperature man-made or part of a natural phenomenon. Geological records indicate that in the 12th century, Earth experienced a warming period during which Greenland was literally green and served as rich farmland for Nordic peoples. There was then a mini ice age, the polar ice caps grew, and the once-thriving population of Greenland was virtually wiped out.
It is clear that the earth experiences natural cycles in temperature. However, science shows that human activity probably does play a role in stimulating the current fluctuations.
The question is: how much? Rather than taking a “sky is falling” approach, I think there are common-sense steps we can take to cut emissions and preserve our environment. I am, after all, a conservative and seek to conserve not just American traditions and our Constitution, but our natural resources as well.
We should start by ending subsidies for oil companies. And we should never, ever go to war to protect our perceived oil interests. If oil were allowed to rise to its natural price, there would be tremendous market incentives to find alternate sources of energy. At the same time, I can’t support government “investment” in alternative sources either, for this is not investment at all.
Government cannot invest, it can only redistribute resources. Just look at the mess government created with ethanol. Congress decided that we needed more biofuels, and the best choice was ethanol from corn. So we subsidized corn farmers at the expense of others, and investment in other types of renewables was crowded out.
Now it turns out that corn ethanol is inefficient, and it actually takes more energy to produce the fuel than you get when you burn it. The most efficient ethanol may come from hemp, but hemp production is illegal and there has been little progress on hemp ethanol. And on top of that, corn is now going into our gas tanks instead of onto our tables or feeding our livestock or dairy cows; so food prices have been driven up. This is what happens when we allow government to make choices instead of the market; I hope we avoid those mistakes moving forward.”
For an environmental insider’s view on the “Green Agenda” and its background and motivations check out The Green Agenda.
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Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of ‘Anthropogenic Global Warming’?
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100017393/climategate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-anthropogenic-global-warming/
I learned a great deal about the ‘Myth of Global Warming’ from a prominent scientist (Arthur Robinson), who sponsored the ‘MGW’ petition which was signed by thousands of scientists ~ prior to Kyoto.
Art Robinson also shows full supportion of Ron Paul on his website. You can see more information on this at http://oism.org/
Just a few weeks left to stop global governance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stij8sUybx0&feature=player_embedded#
Longshotlouie, good to see you again! I was just saying 2 days ago I hadn’t seen you post here in quite awhile.
I stumbled across this info late last night, wee early this morning and posted it under issues, but to bring all the info together, I’m posting it together here.
What’s up with this? Global Governance, NWO?
Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty, Claims British Lord
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=26474
The Copenhagen Climate Change Treaty Draft – wealth transfer defined, now with new and improved “dignity” penalty
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/10/03/the-copenhagen-treaty-draft-wealth-transfer-defined-now-with-dignity-penalty/#more-11460
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/un-fccc-copenhagen-2009.pdf
I first heard about this treaty on Mark Levin the other night and it is total bs.I think we should not let him fly to copenhagen.He’s going to fly over there on our taxpayer funded money and sell us out to this shit.We need to put our foot down and say no son you don,t get the jet tonight.
No son, you don’t get the jet tonight.
Gregg Braden – Thoughts from Gregg (5/5)
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And this has what to do with the Enviroment? I think you are on the wrong site there buddy
I’m in total agreement with Dr. Paul on this. The simple fact is that i’ve lived long enough to realize that the worlds climate fluctuates in approximate 30 year cycles, and i remember in the 1970’s when the same people who are in a panic over global warming today were screaming that another ice age was just around the corner.
Clearly there are culprits in our system that are not benefiting our environment, global warming or not and chief among these would be automobile emissions. The solution would be to give anyone and everyone willing and capable of doing so free reign to develop better, more powerful and more efficient systems, instead of their efforts being stymied by political pressure from the big 3 and the oil companies, and eliminate this F’ing consumer scam that has been going on for the entire lives of most of us. Instead however, our illustrious president chose to tax us and give the money to exactly these same people so that they could continue as they have been doing and prevent those of us who would actually attempt to solve this problem from doing so as well. If the destruction of the world from Global Warming is indeed imminent then Obama, despite his rhetoric, will have been a major cause of it as well.
Without going into the engineering specifics of this, which i don’t have time for here, all you have to do is look at the power medium being used by every industrial facility today where efficiency is the objective as opposed to fleecing the consumer for every nickel they can get, and you will find a very simple, very powerful, very efficient and very cost effective solution to the problem. God forbid that anyone should try to make it available to you though, the government would never allow it and if they did those monopolizing the industry now would have that person assassinated.
I wanted to develope a effecient and sustainable technology for capturing energy (free electrons) but this crew of disinformation masterminds had persistently dogged me and my loved ones continnually threatening to run me down socially-they said that they would spread malicious lies about me and my loved ones or assinate me and or them and frame me for it. They spread their propaganda to target communities to make them hate me, my reputation had allready been killed for the most part due but it started to unfold after the divorce and homelessnes which much of was remotely engineered and my family was thinking all sorts of other things about me because of the intelligence stazi and their attempts to make forced false prophecies, my life has been crushed but not my spirit. I knew that the idea of a possible endeavor to start a coorporation could bring nothing but trouble here in the US because of bullheadedness so I decided I should go to either Israel or Japan where energy needs outstrip the paranoia of big oil companies and opressive monopolies. I was called a spy, terrorist,communist and all other sorts of menutia and threatened in many ways with various reprisals-Now my potential is virtually ruined and I am suffering mental,emotional and physical erosion and idea theft on part of who claim to be anything from government spooks, coorporate industrialist conglomerates,secret societiy gang members,political sabotuers, and all sorts of other confusing tidbits of nonsence meant to keep me on a wild mental goosechase wondering who is bothering me so vigorously over this issue. It must have been the stand I took on certain environmental,political and societal issues that brought this upheaval and possibly an internet snoop who cried wolf to the feds. I was also told that this insidious treatment was coming from the Bushes or the oil companies-which I do not wholeheartedly believe. As far as who is bothering me over these issues Is beyond me except that I could only imagine that the various agencies are involved to a degree based upon observation of statements and tactics used against me. Much disinformation has been proliferated into the general public in which I reside.They tell many suspicious and superstitious persons falsehoods and fancy about me to stir vain imaginings and controversy to incite paranoia nad hate towards me and my loved ones. People constantly follow,hound,and mock me looking to see some sort of messiah or demon emerge from an otherwise humble downtrodden individual whose hopes and dreams had been abolished by the big hand of a brutish coalition of overzealous brainwashed corporate government pseudonazis. I am therefore then accused for the problem of everything in society because I sought to solve problems with energy and make money of course. The area of endeavor I was interested in is dominated by a small group of inside the beltway intelligence community personality hackers-they claim to want to sue me for libel which is an absurd hippocritical joke. Just because I had an original idea of putting various technologies together to achieve a new methodology of energy independance to those who would be interested someone decided to raise virulent hatred of me because my idea is not based upon fossil fuels. I am not pointing to any paticular persons as it could be rental gangs for a private coorporation in concert with federal bureauacrats,who also threatened to destroy any future relationships or busines ventures,or flight to freedom by bombings, or other arts of mischief they deem necessary to protect the status qoua-but Im sure my theory about the origen of the source is somewhat accurate-if not for an explanation which I have to keep private if there is anything remotely related left. sincerely:Jason M Cunningham
Jason, you need to get yourself some psychiatric help, and soon. You are suffering from paranoid delusions which are a classic symptom of Schizophrenia. There is help available, but you have to realize and accept that you have an illness in order to begin the path to treatment and a better quality of life. You owe it to yourself and your family to get evaluated by a professional so you can learn the truth and take control of your life.
http://psychcentral.com/disorders/schizophrenia/
http://www.schizophrenia.com/
So does Ron Paul believe that quote? I’m confused on his stance here. That quote is utter nonsense that does the typical simplify by leaving out critical details. Sure Earth went through warming and cooling periods…. over thousands of years rather than a half century. And C02 levels have never been this high since life was on Earth so that quote is a typical manipulation of information to try and mislead people. I certainly hope he doesn’t believe that.
As far as I recall, CO2 levels are NOT at their highest levels insofar as scientists can tell. Well…I should say it’s debatable, because there’s no clear consensus on it still.
What IS undeniable, and more important, is that there have been plenty of times when temperatures have been hotter than they are now, even in the last 100 years (1930s for instance.) Medieval warm period was warmer too.
Further, you have to realize that there are TONS of variables that determine surface temperature. CO2 concentrations are merely one out of many. And based on a lot of the historical data, many scientists think that the sun’s solar output (i.e. how much energy the sun releases in a given year) actually affects global temperatures more than CO2 levels.
The point is this: don’t believe the lies about how there’s already a consensus on global warming and that it’s proven; it isn’t.
Dude – you are correct, there is no consensus on global warming, and even if there was, it doesn’t prove that there is GW or that it is man-made. There was a consensus at one time that the earth was flat and the center of the universe.
Additionally, the earth has been getting cooler for the past 10 or 12 years, even though CO2 levels have risen, but I’m sure the environmental wackos INCONVENIENTLY forget to mention this little fact. Hey, I guess rising CO2 levels cause global cooling!
This whole GW issue is just a scam by politicians and environmental wackos to further their agenda.
Gore-Backed Car Firm Gets Large U.S. Loan
CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS! THE GREEN GUY GETS RICH WITH HYBRIDS!
WASHINGTON –
A tiny car company backed by former Vice President Al Gore has just gotten a $529 million U.S. government loan to help build a hybrid sports car in Finland that will sell for about $89,000.
The award this week to California startup Fisker Automotive Inc. follows a $465 million government loan to Tesla Motors Inc., purveyors of a $109,000 British-built electric Roadster. Tesla is a California startup focusing on all-electric vehicles, with a number of celebrity endorsements that is backed by investors that have contributed to Democratic campaigns.
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Fisker’s Karma hybrid sports car, above, will initially cost about $89,000.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125383160812639013.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLTopStories
What we need is those 30,000 scientists to speak up and blast underground and above media with their information, make it viral and spread it around….shut this CO2 thing down!
They make millions off our tax money. The government is really acting like a corporation now, it’s obvious.
Except they won’t let us get in on the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. a federal corporation’s health plan. (not that insurance would lower medical costs, just the principle of the thing so they can be safe and allow the plan they are working on be insolvent from the get-go, then scare everyone again later.)
Submarine surfaces at North Pole – 1959
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“I shouldn’t have to have an education to have an opinion.”
You mean state-sponsered education, right?
Actual education into simple science. 2+2 = 4, and co2 and water vapor are the only technical byproducts of combustion of pure hydrocarbons. co2 is removed by trees, which are being cut down for industrialization. co2 absorbs infrared light trying to leave the atmosphere and bounces some percentage of it back down. these are all facts. not “guesses”, not “theories.” facts. but you are too closed-minded to establish whether i’m telling the truth or not.
find me a book that says any different. respond to the core of what global warming is.
oh, you can’t? filibuster. red herring. red herring red herring red herring. learn nothing. change nothing. grow not at all. mind of a stubborn child. knew everything there was to know about everything since you were 13.
Tell me, are you also anti-intellectual concerning televisions and computers? They were created with the STATE-SPONSORED SCIENCE you find so disgusting. They also obey the laws of physics and chemistry, which is apparently not something you need to be concerned with when forming a scientific opinion.
Heck, there are no laws of physics and chemistry! It’s ALL JUST THE SOCIALIST MEDIA LYING TO YOU!
UP IS DOWN! HERRING CAN DO CALCULUS!
So you’ve missed all of the above posts that thrash your statist propaganda?
Maybe if you get angry enough, the truth will disappear.
I would like to emphasize that I wish I was wrong, that it would make my life easier, that no one likes paying higher taxes or making sacrifices for the public good, that I have read the opposing point of view extensively, and that none of it ever, ever, ever even once even addressed the simple science of global warming. Complete smoke and mirrors to ignore the basic science.
The basic science on global warming is that there is no consensus. Yes, higher CO2 levels lead to warming IF all other earthly variables are equal in a given year. Unfortunately, that’s never true; you can’t make a simple apples to apples comparison of all the important variables between any two given years in which we’ve been keeping track of global temperatures.
In fact, there’s no such thing as a “global temperature”. The best we can do is record temperatures from variously scattered weather stations all over the world and take satellite data of global temperatures and somehow integrate all of that into something meaningful.
Most scientists agree that we are experiencing a warming trend relative to the early/mid 1970s, but there is absolutely no reason to believe that the warming is at all unprecedented. Besides which, most of the warming has occurred in the Northern hemisphere during the winter months during night time. And in the polar region.
Wow, vitriolus maximus.
If you say red herring enough times it will change reality?
Like the reality that there are more trees (forest) than ever before, and that more CO2 will lead to even more growth.
All of your fear mongering might go over better at one of those Leftist sites. They eat it up.
We’ve had to listen to loonies like you for more than a century. Ice Age!! No, we’re all going to fry!! No, Ice Age!! No, we’re out of oil!! Wait, we’re all going to starve to death!! Global Warming!! oh wait, Climate Change …. aaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh
Get A Life
There are not more trees then ever before.
There are more trees in north america than there were in the past, but the rain forests are being cut down at a phenomenal rate.
More importantly, there is no plan in place, and no attempt to react to the reality of an ecosystem that can be thrown so far out of balance it will kill us. The only priority is money. There are more trees in north america because there is money to be made, not because this is the wise and generous and sane thing to do. We are not planning, we are just using and enjoying and scoffing at danger. “Conservative,” indeed.
If we remove as much of the sink as we care to, and increase the supply as much as we care to, it doesn’t matter how much slack the remaining trees pick up; eventually, the system will fail. You people think in 5-year mode. This is basic sustainability. But sustainability is a word your Mainstream Conservative Media sources have turned into some sort of swear. I would like to sustain the fact that I have a job. I would like to sustain the fact that I can walk. What a wacky liberal nut job I must be, sustaining things I enjoy for later use. That’s so wastefully liberal of me.
I would give you a link, but you’d just say it’s the mainstream media and continue to believe your own biased media sources instead of looking into it objectively or thinking.
This site is a circle jerk. Congratulations on scuttling Ron Paul’s credibility.
Even if your conclusions on the participants here are true, don’t let them color your ideas of RP. Every group has a sub-group that embarrasses the others.
I would use two terms to sum up every response I’ve read here and elsewhere to the basic fact that CO2, a greenhouse gas that reflects heat into the atmosphere, is released during combustion.
1) Filibuster. Talk about anything else rather than your lack of a response to where the CO2 is going. Tie up the conversation forever with irrelevant non-responses.
2) Red herring. Talk about something else that sounds related to distract everyone from the fact that you have no answer to where the CO2 is going.
If you’re going to be right wing, can’t you at least acknowledge that conservatism carries a high risk of being wrong by refusing to re-evaluate itself? Slavery, women’s right to vote, civil rights, democracy in the first place? Does every conservative person in the world have to keep every one of their opinions until they die?
I can’t believe I’m even bothering to post here again.
The earth is flat, the earth is the center of the universe, and conservative concerns do good science.
Since it’s been a while since I’ve posted, I should say that I’m a conservative-leaning independent who is fed up with the anti-intellectual know-it-all Fox News wing of the party.
I don’t say I know what to do about climate change. I don’t say I am able to make that many big changes to my lifestyle. But I don’t deny that the simple, straightforward science of greenhouse gas exists and convinces me right in the face, whether I like the implications or don’t.
Excuse me Pete but about the rainforests; like you said, if you only look at the primary forest (old growth) the rainforests are dwindling but if you look at the secondary forests the biomass is increasing. Secondary forests include areas like Panama and not just North America. Whether or not the new growth can be called a rainforests is addressed in the NYTimes article below.
The information given seems distorted on both sides of the CC debate (whether or not CC is dangerous). The pro-side focuses on the deforestation of primary growth while the con-side focuses on the tremendous increase in secondary growth. I can not find an accumulative comparison that gives an unbiased picture; they all focus on one tiny piece of the big puzzle. Neither side can claim fairness or pure honesty.
A NYTimes article about the controversy:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/d3e8n5
The one thing that seems to be sure is that the question is unanswered and neither side of the debate should be doing a victory dance yet.
My POV on the whole issue has been that there are questions unanswered and it is too early to panic, not whether changes in my lifestyle are needed. You have helped me see that some of the details in my argument were wrong, but as of yet my conclusion still stands.
More CO2, please
Exactly
Wow. You guys are in 5th grade, huh?
Tis a pity you think that way, I enjoy sparring with you now and then.
Water vapor is by far the most abundant greenhouse gas, much more so than CO2. So what are we supposed to do, cover the oceans?
Global temperatures have been falling for the past 10 or 12 years, while the level of CO2 has risen, so I guess we’re in an ice age now!
Also, get your facts straight Pete. Republicans have had a much better record on issues of slavery and civil rights than Democrats. But don’t let the facts confuse the issue.
WHERE IS THE CO2 GOING? DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE CHEMICAL EQUATION OF COMBUSTION? CAN YOU RESEARCH INDEPENDENTLY INTO A SIMPLE SCIENTIFIC MATTER, OR MUST YOU BE TOLD WHOSE OPINION TO READ?
http://gizmodo.com/5311377/theres-finally-a-use-for-the-caps-lock-key
One volcano exploding releases 1000 years of Green house gases in 1/2 second. All of mankind’s emissions do not add up to one Mount St. Helen. So All this talk about Man Made Global warming is bunk.
Actually, I thought volcanoes had the net effect to cool the surface because of the sulfur-compounds released (reflect radiation like a mirror).
And when the world was young, and volcanoes were constantly erupting, it was very a) hot or b) cold?
All you’re saying is that a volcano would make this problem worse.
Have you considered that you might be wrong, and not know what you’re talking about?
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following this threads drift OT (into health care)
I read that the consequences are being seen in the mandated insurance in the state of Massachusetts. That state requires all businesses with 11 or more full-time employees to cover everybody with health insurance or be fined.
Well, many medium sized businesses are laying people off or cutting them back to part-timers so they can get below the limit of 11 employees.
I can’t help but wonder whether insurance companies are involved. If everybody was covered, how many people would be double covered? Homes with more than 2 working adults and at least one of those plans cover spouses and dependents, young workers who are covered as dependents?
What about those who weigh the risks and decide insurance isn’t worth it to them. Maybe they are young enough that they heal fast enough and a chronic situation is unlikely. Or maybe they have enough money stuffed away that there is no reason to worry.
I really hate to sound like Sarah Palin, but if the government is going either going to give money away with “no strings attached” or will make decisions about who is worthy of treatment and who is a high priority and should get it first. That could be loosely defined as a “death squad.”
The government has a weather control device?
It reminds me of a sub-plot in Michael Crichton’s book “state of fear” where the environmental terrorists use explosives to cause ice glaciers to break into the seas and then claim that is evidence that the globe is warming.
Researching this I ran into an interesting essay by MC that compared this “pseudo-science” with another “pseudo-science” from 80 years ago. Both global warming and eugenics are being pushed as a religion and nay-sayers are shouted down as wanting to hurt future generations.
Being epileptic this is hit me rather hard because I would be one of those that were eliminated. Probably in the same way the Germans eliminated the “feeble-minded”. BTW: at the turn of turn of the century, lunatic asylums were referred to as “homes for the
feeble-minded and epileptics”.
http://www.crichton-official.com/essay-stateoffear-whypoliticizedscienceisdangerous.html
Can you imagine working at the following Company?
It has a little over 500 employees with the following statistics:
29 have been accused of spousal abuse
7 have been arrested for fraud
19 have been accused of writing bad checks
117 have bankrupted at least two businesses
3 have been arrested for assault
71 cannot get a credit card due to bad credit
14 have been arrested on drug-related charges
8 have been arrested for shoplifting
21 are current defendants in lawsuits
84 were stopped for drunk driving ( in 1998 alone)
Can you guess which organization this is?
The 535 members of US congress….
Peace I AM
P
LOL, brilliant.
Is there any way to verify the information here?
This smells like a load of crap… so 20% of Congress has ‘Bankrupted at least two businesses’… and 84 were ’stopped’ for drunk driving in the same year? really…
Please cite your source.
Matt,
This link will take you to the site where I found the info.
I have conducted further investigation regarding other information contained within this site and have so far found it accurate although somewhat a tad scary.
According to the researchers, The US is still a British Colony, and the constitution is that of a corporation, not a country, and the people are assets, not free men…
The American people and even the forefathers were conned by the British lawyers. You only need refer to the definitions in some of the old English Law books to verify this trickery….
The definition of a human being, citizen, person, etc is not what you think they are.. One of these books even defines a human being as a ‘monster’, not fit or capable of owning land, that is reserved for royal blood only…
http://www.civil-liberties.com/books/index.html
Peace I AM
P
Americans have no rights.. The US is still a British Colony. To even think you have a constitution that can be used to defend you is laughable.. There are actually 3 United States of America,(not many people know this), The Contstitution is that of a company, owned by the King of England. And it cant be used as a defence as the citizens are not a party to the agreement, and everyone that was is now dead.
Human Beings (monsters – as defined by the Ballentine Law Dictionary), cant even own land, as it is reserved for royal blood. Sure, you pay it off with money that doesnt exist and was created out of debt, but you will never own it, even when fully paid for.. Check your mortgage docs.. ur just a tenant… The land can only be owned by the King.
Citizens of the corporation, that is one of the United States, are mere assets of a company.. From the moment you’re born, u voluntarily enter into a contract with the crown – to more or less, be a slave.
You are by no means free, and are certainly not protected from any constitution. Do your homework people. Youve been fed a massive lie. Check out the link below. Its amanzing what you can find if you look hard enough. There is plenty of great info contained here, and much more available to those open minded enough to challenge the status quo… Good luck and god speed.
http://www.civil-liberties.com/books/index.html
Peace I AM
P
For all we know the government has a weather control device by now – we dont know of and thats the reason the ice is coming back a bit.- the government is messing with people trying to get them to not believe in global warming–though thats why all the evidence suggests that it keeps getting hotter and hotter each summer and more ice melts.
Jeff,
The government does have weather contolling technology. Its called HAARP.. google it…..
but once again, the same old story arises..
Wonderful advanced technology capable of freeing mankind from its self created renewable energy crisis, being used inappropriately and unbeknown to the taxpayer.
Peace I AM
P
More on the ice caps
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnRPZOUVhJ4
The government needs to stop flying our skys with chemtrails. Check out chemtrails on youtube. Do a search. What’s in your sky? …and then we have the EPA…what for? Fines for CO2, what for? Are they spraying our skys to increase revenue on CO2 fines?
Christine you are forgetting the politicians and special interest groups are exempt from any laws. Didn’t you hear that. Like they are exempting themselves from national health care.
I also remember while on the campaign trail, Obama said that we would enjoy the same benefits as congress, that we could get on THEIR plan, that it would be cheaper because there would be more people on the plan to lesson the cost of care on a group plan. A video may have been made of it.
You know his lieing when you see his lips moving…
just like with this health care plan. Don’t you believe him! It is not FOR us. It would be like every other thing he has done, AGAINST us, ATTACKING us. Would you trust your robber and a drug pusher with your life? That is he.
Yep I agree but it just shocks me that people still buy what this used car salesman is still selling. Ya I’m still waiting on what these so called benefits are but wall street, gm, and other big corporations got some benefits or should I say bailouts.
It both shocks and scares me that the way MY health care will be handled could depend upon ignorant people who do not do their homework on this guy we call president.
Just wait until the contaminated flu vaccines are given around mid-October, perhaps by mandatory order, and people start dieing and getting sick, not from the flu, but from the contaminated vaccine.
http://livingquests.com
I still think we should look at alternative energy like wind and solar. Solar could be huge in the coming decades.
electric and hydrogen cars as well.
I think we should stay away from Nuclear energy and Dirty Coal too much risk and pollution there.
and no more oil drilling!!!!!!
Its time to move away from oil…internationally and nationally
Study: Ocean net heat flow is connected with climate shifts – CO2 not correlated – no “warming in the pipeline”
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/08/17/evidence-that-ocean-net-heat-flow-is-connected-with-climate-shifts-co2-not-correlated/
The number of Americans who say the media have exaggerated global warming jumped to a record 41 percent in 2009, up from 35 percent a year ago. The most marked increase came among political independents, whose ranks of doubters swelled from 33 percent to 44 percent.
53 percent see signs of a hotter planet, down from 61 percent in 2008. Global warming placed last among eight environmental concerns Gallup asked respondents to rank, with water pollution landing the top spot.
That PROVES IT’S A HOAX! Public opinion IS as meaningful as science! WHEW!
The only thing that makes this planet hot is our reaction to corrupt politicians, the FED, and big corps needing bailouts, grand theft and treason. We should see a spike in the CO2 graph for the next few years, unless the revolution really gets going before then, then we’ll will be off the chart.
…then oh so ready for a cooling period.
Humans and Their CO2 Save the Planet!
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/humans-and-their-co2-save-the-planet/?print=1
Sean’s hero, Krugman gets a mention here.
Al Gore sued by over 30.000 Scientists for Global Warming fraud / John Coleman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfHW7KR33IQ&feature=related
Founder of the Weather Channel:
John Coleman slams global warming (1 of 4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk8SSqc7ekM&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PuyvDCF95U&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saqIqea6C0s&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9ZXdX3qtQI&feature=related
I watched this whole thing. He completely ignores the question about co2, which is the crux of the whole argument. You burn billions of tons of co2 into the air, remove their natural sink by cutting down a lot of trees, and the planet HAS to get hotter. He glosses over the fact that he has no response to this point.
So there are less trees, now?
What’s the point in my saying there are many less trees? That we have cut down huge swaths of rain forest and replaced them with cows?
You’ll just trot out some right-wing blog post “proving” that there’s more, and never look in to it again.
Who cares about this stupid species. We deserve what we get for bickering and quibbling like a bunch of children whenever something important comes up. MY ISM IS THE CORRECT ISM! I knew it was stupid to waste my time trying to talk you closed-minded people. Enjoy your little club and never give any independent any reason to take you seriously or listen to a word you have to say, and see where ron paul’s agenda goes.
With friends like these…
Somebody call the whaaaaaaaaambulance.
Idiot.
This is only a source of funds from the “people’s pockets” to the federal government, that’s it. This goes along with their NWO to make little worker bees out of the population to serve them. They are working on more and more revenue streams, as any big corp would do, and the federal government is a federal corporation. It has the attitude of a big corp. It has nothing to do with saving the earth and us and everything to do with advancing the NWO.
If the government were so concerned about the survival of the human species, with our air, earth, food, and water, then they would not be doing chemtrails across our skies with drugs, putting chemicals in our food and making it difficult for organic farms, GMO foods, nor would they be in bed with big pharma pushing disease through drugs and contaminated vaccines and instead be a proponent of natural and preventative health care.
It seems our government is the one major body that has some cleaning up to do! These folks are crazy with ideas of having control over others and amassing money and the misuse of power that goes with it all.
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Global Warming all right, citizens of every country have a right to be red hot angry at the moneychangers, the politicians, the FED, at those who have orchestrated and manufactured this global economic crisis. In their little secret meetings they made plans to deceive and control. There can be no good end to those plans. They have tried to play God to rule the world (NWO)…and they are failing miserably. God is Love and they are far from that! They have misued position, money and power. The more they try to control, the more we realize they are out of control, the more the world spins out of control.
Yep Gore knew that ……he started that factory years ago and it was for the rich…who could buy a $89K car? Did you see him speak before the Senators explaining Global Warming? His face was red as beat, his neck and he was perspiring …….he was trying to deceive them and us ……I thought he was going to have a stroke trying to convince congress! He is a NWO too…even a shapeshifter, if you know what that is.
I’m tellin yah we the people need to file a petition to get some of these people put into prison for fraud and criminal behaviors.
Gore got a Bail-out from the Government is what he got……that SOB….
Well said Christine, i couldn’t agree more.
Global Warming Is The New Religion of First World Urban Elites
http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Global+warming+religion+First+World+urban+elites/1835847/story.html
Okay, I’ll post some super-important article about how “anti-global warming is the new religion of first world rural know-it-alls” and now everyone will be convinced.
Learn something about combustion.
I just did. Thanks for not making a mess.
HAHAHA, that is hilarious and very intelligent and convincing. You made a pun instead of considering my point.
You are correct, Pete.
It was hilarious, very intelligent, and convincing.
Open Letter to the Secretary-General of the United Nations
Dec. 13, 2007
His Excellency Ban Ki-Moon
Secretary-General, United Nations
New York, N.Y.
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=164002
Goldman Sachs and the other financial giants who brought us the economic meltdown and manipulation of the economy argue that carbon trading will solve all of our problems. If we just let them make out like bandits off of carbon trading, then everything will be fine. Not only is this an awfully convenient for the banksters who conned us into an economic crash, but many environmentalists don’t even buy that carbon trading is the best way to reduce carbon emissions.
On the other hand, big oil and king coal argue that keeping the status quo is best for everyone. You know, let the giant energy conglomerates produce all our energy and make out like robber barons. These energy giants buy up and then bury promising alternative energy technologies so that cheap alternatives don’t challenge their monopoly on energy-production.
But neither the carbon trading or the energy giants want us to look at real alternatives or solutions . . . like microgeneration.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2008/07/beating-high-energy-and-food-prices.html
GLOBAL WARMING HAS 3 THINGS AGAINST “IT”.
“IT” IS POLITICAL!
“IT” HAS TO MANY PROS AND CONS!
AND “IT” HAS TO MUCH MONEY INVOLVED
Speaking of audits:
The Science and Public Policy Institute announces the publication of Climate Money, a study by Joanne Nova revealing that the federal Government has a near-monopsony on climate science funding. This distorts the science towards self-serving alarmism.
Key findings:
The US Government has spent more than $79 billion of taxpayers’ money since 1989 on policies related to climate change, including science and technology research, administration, propaganda campaigns, foreign aid, and tax breaks. Most of this spending was unnecessary.
Despite the billions wasted, audits of the science are left to unpaid volunteers. A dedicated but largely uncoordinated grassroots movement of scientists has sprung up around the globe to test the integrity of “global warming” theory and to compete with a lavishly-funded, highly-organized climate monopsony. Major errors have been exposed again and again.
Carbon trading worldwide reached $126 billion in 2008. Banks, which profit most, are calling for more. Experts are predicting the carbon market will reach $2 – $10 trillion in the near future. Hot air will soon be the largest single commodity traded on global exchanges.
Meanwhile, in a distracting sideshow, Exxon-Mobil Corp is repeatedly attacked for paying just $23 million to skeptics—less than a thousandth of what the US government spends on alarmists, and less than one five-thousandth of the value of carbon trading in 2008 alone.
The large expenditure designed to prove the non-existent connection between carbon and climate has created a powerful alliance of self-serving vested interests.
By pouring so much money into pushing a single, scientifically-baseless agenda, the Government has created not an unbiased investigation but a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Sound science cannot easily survive the vice-like grip of politics and finance.
Says Nova, “For the first time, the numbers from government documents have been compiled in one place. It’s time to start talking of “Monopolistic Science”. It’s time to expose the lie that those who claim “to save the planet” are the underdogs. And it’s time to get serious about auditing science, especially when it comes to pronouncements that are used to justify giant government programs and massive movements of money.”
I remember 30 years ago when the “scientists” were giving us the message “we are entering another ice age”. All this global warming hype is a bunch of bunko designed to raise taxes and decrease our standard of living. They cheated to get the high readings they are reporting by placing the instruments near airport runways (hot tarmacks along with heat from jet engine exhausts) and near heat exhausts from buildings. Here are the global warming myths debunked:
1 MYTH Planet earth is currently undergoing global warming
FACT Accurate and representative temperature measurements from satellites and balloons show that the planet has cooled significantly in the last two or three years, losing in only 18 months 15% of the claimed warming which took over 100 years to appear — that warming was only one degree fahrenheit (half of one degree Celsius) anyway, and part of this is a systematic error from groundstation readings which are inflated due to the ‘urban heat island effect’ i.e. local heat retention due to urban sprawl, not global warming…and it is these, ‘false high’ ground readings which are then programmed into the disreputable climate models, which live up to the GIGO acronym — garbage in, garbage out.
2 MYTH Even slight temperature rises are disastrous, ice caps will melt, people will die
FACT In the UK, every mild winter saves 20,000 cold-related deaths, and scaled up over northern Europe mild winters save hundreds of thousands of lives each year, also parts of ice caps are melting yet other parts are thickening but this isn’t reported as much (home experiment: put some water in a jug or bowl, add a layer of ice cubes and mark the level — wait until the ice has melted and look again, the level will have fallen). Data from ice core samples shows that in the past, temperatures have risen by ten times the current rise, and fallen again, in the space of a human lifetime.
3 MYTH Carbon Dioxide levels in our atmosphere at the moment are unprecedented (high).
FACT Atmospheric carbon dioxide levels, currently only 350 parts per million have been over 18 times higher in the past at a time when cars, factories and power stations did not exist — levels rise and fall without mankind’s help.
4 MYTH Mankind is pumping out carbon dioxide at a prodigious rate.
FACT 96.5% of all carbon dioxide emissions are from natural sources, mankind is responsible for only 3.5%, with 0.6% coming from fuel to move vehicles, and about 1% from fuel to heat buildings. Yet vehicle fuel (petrol) is taxed at 300% while fuel to heat buildings is taxed at 5% even though buildings emit nearly twice as much carbon dioxide!
5 MYTH Carbon dioxide changes in the atmosphere cause temperature changes on the earth.
FACT A report in the journal ‘Science’ in January of this year showed using information from ice cores with high time resolution that since the last ice age, every time when the temperature and carbon dioxide levels have shifted, the carbon dioxide change happened AFTER the temperature change, so that man-made global warming theory has put effect before cause — this shows that reducing carbon dioxide emissions is a futile King Canute exercise! What’s more, both water vapour and methane are far more powerful greenhouse gases than carbon dioxide but they are ignored.
6 MYTH Reducing car use will cut carbon dioxide levels and save the planet
FACT The planet does not need saving, but taking this on anyway, removing every car from every road in every country overnight would NOT produce any change in the carbon dioxide level of the atmosphere, as can be seen using the numbers from Fact 4, and in any case it is pointless trying to alter climate by changing carbon dioxide levels as the cause and effect is the other way round — it is changes in the activity of the Sun that cause temperature changes on earth, with any temperature rise causing carbon dioxide to de-gas from the oceans.
7 MYTH The recent wet weather and flooding was caused by mankind through ‘global warming’
FACT Extreme weather correlates with the cycle of solar activity, not carbon dioxide emissions or political elections, the recent heavy rainfall in winter and spring is a perfect example of this — it occurred at solar maximum at a time when solar maxima are very intense — this pattern may well repeat every 11 years until about 2045.
8 MYTH The climate change levy, petrol duty, CO2 car tax and workplace parking charges are justifiable environmental taxes.
FACT As carbon dioxide emissions from cars and factories does not have any measurable impact on climate, these taxes are ‘just another tax’ on enterprise and mobility, and have no real green credentials.
9 MYTH Scientists on the Inter-governmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) issue reports that say ‘global warming’ is real and that we must do something now.
FACT Scientists draft reports for the IPCC, but the IPCC are bureaucrats appointed by governments, in fact many scientists who contribute to the reports disagree with the ’spin’ that the IPCC and media put on their findings.
The latest report suggests that the next 100 years might see a temperature change of 6 Celsius yet a Lead Author for the IPCC (Dr John Christy UAH/NASA) has pointed out that the scenarios with the fastest warming rates were added to the report at a late stage, at the request of a few governments — in other words the scientists were told what to do by politicians.
10 MYTH There are only a tiny handful of maverick scientists who dispute that man-made global warming theory is true.
FACT There are nearly 18,000 signatures from scientists worldwide on a petition called The Oregon Petition which says that there is no evidence for man-made global warming theory nor for any impact from mankind’s activities on climate.
Many scientists believe that the Kyoto agreement is a total waste of time and one of the biggest political scams ever perpetrated on the public … as H L Mencken said “the fundamental aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed, and hence clamorous to be led to safety, by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary” … the desire to save the world usually fronts a desire to rule it.
If you don’t buy that, just keep drinking the Al Gore Kool-Aid and get ready for your taxes to shoot through the roof.
I agree with what he said.
Nice work Tom,
Something tells me that many people will ignore the obvious facts of the issue and blindly surrender their liberties to a corrupt government, lulling them into a false sense of security.
Q. How does a rational thinking human being of average intelligence allow absurdities such as man made global warming change the dynamics of his/her life?????????
A. By consuming tap water laced with toxic chemicals such as fluoride, that lower the IQ, making the subject docile and subservient and easier to control.
A. Corporate media bombards the human psyche with images and words that permeate the subconscious, encouraging certain thoughts, beliefs and actions that perpetuate separation, greed, fear and depression.
A. Government designed and controlled education systems created specifically to dumb down our children by obscuring facts, outrageous historical lies, etc, etc.
A. Religion encourages followers to surrender to government and not to oppose its rule.. Government has been given GOD status and thus, is infallible..
A. By convincing people to wage war against nature in our daily lives and forcing us to live under a phony calendar (mechanical time).
A. The economy, (The money scam-inflation), The one true god of government, which leaves many people and nations disempowered and or enslaved, works as a tool to impact the human psyche for a specific negative effect.
I could write a book or two about this, but will leave it there for now… I think I have made my point…
I wonder how many people will roll their eyes at this, then turn away and continue their day in a sleepwalking state totally convinced that the g’ment is trying to save them.
I have spent almost 20 years researching and I can honestly say that the threat against our lives is very real, though not set in stone…
Dont back down people, Dont give in.. The elites are panicking. The war against humanity and nature is drawing to an end.
Love and Life (inseparable) will prevail..
Thanks
Peace I AM
P
There is so much wrong with every one of your refutations, I wouldn’t know where to start, and I wouldn’t have time, but you wouldn’t listen anyway, so who cares. GO PLANET STUPID!
Keep drinking the Kool-Aid of liberalism and unsubstantiated propaganda. There is NO man made global warming, and in fact, the earth has been cooling for ten years. It is all a scam to raise taxes (Cap and Trade) and have more government intrusion in our lives.
It is you moonbats who will not listen to fact and REAL scientific data. You just jump on the Al Gore bandwagon of lies and scare tactics and swallow anything he says. Ever wonder why HE does not abide by any of the regulations he is trying to push on everyone else? Seems a bit hypocritical to me. Why are scientists being told to shut up and not disclose their true findings about global warming? Could it be to keep you moonbats from learning the truth and thereby pull your support away from the global warming agenda?
WHY AM I SKEPTICAL ABOUT MAN-MADE GLOBAL WARMING?
(by Neal Boortz)
A 21-page report from something called the “Intergovernmental Panel On Climate Change” has been released today…in Paris, no less…and as expected, it’s predictions are dire. According to the report: “Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, as is now evident from observations of increases in global average air and ocean temperatures, widespread melting of snow and ice, and rising global mean sea level.” Yeah right…we’ve heard all this before.
But the biggest bombshell here is this one: no matter what we do, global warming will not be reversed. It will go on for centuries, according to this report. The sea levels will continue to rise as polar ice caps melt. So much for riding to work everyday in your hybrid car…it’s not doing a thing. The situation is futile, according to this report.
But really, it makes sense that the global warming crowd would come to this conclusion. After all, global warming is a religion. The anti-capitalist enviro-nazis don’t ever want the problem to be solved. After all, if global warming were to be solved tomorrow, what would they blame the United States for? They’d have to find some other reason.
Sorry .. I’m still a skeptic. In no particular order here are just a few of the reasons why I’m not buying this man-made global warming scare:
The United Nations is anti-American and anti-Capitalist. In short .. I don’t trust them. Not a bit. The UN would eagerly engage in any enterprise that would weaken capitalist economies around the world.
Because after the fall of the Soviet Union and worldwide Communism many in the anti-capitalist movement moved to the environmental movement to continue pursuing their anti-free enterprise goals. Many of the loudest proponents of man-made global warming today are confirmed anti-capitalists.
Because the sun is warmer .. and all of these scientists don’t seem to be willing to credit a warmer sun with any of the blame for global warming.
The polar ice caps on Mars are melting. How did our CO2 emissions get all the way to Mars?
It was warmer in the 1930s across the globe than it is right now.
It wasn’t all that long ago that these very same scientists were warning us about “global cooling” and another approaching ice age?
How much has the earth warmed up in the last 100 years? One degree. Now that’s frightening.
Because that famous “hockey stick” graph that purports to show a sudden warming of the earth in the last few decades is a fraud. It ignored previous warming periods … left them off the graph altogether.
The infamous Kyoto accords exempt some of the world’s biggest CO2 polluters, including China and India.
The Kyoto accords can easily be seen as nothing less than an attempt to hamstring the world’s dominant capitalist economies.
Because many of these scientists who are sounding the global warming scare depend on grant money for their livelihood, and they know the grant money dries up when they stop preaching the global warming sermon.
Because global warming “activists” and scientists seek to punish those who have different viewpoints. If you are sure of your science you have no need to shout down or seek to punish those who disagree.
What happened to the Medieval Warm Period? In 1996 the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change issued a chart showing climatic change over a period of 1000 years. This graph showed a Medieval warming period in which global temperatures were higher than they are today. In 2001 the IPCC issued another 1000 year graph in which the Medieval warming period was missing. Why?
Why has one scientist promoting the cause of man-made global warming been quoted as saying “we have to get rid of the medieval warming period?”
Why is the ice cap on the Antarctic getting thicker if the earth is getting warmer?
In the United State, the one country with the most accurate temperature measuring and reporting records, temperatures have risen by 0.3 degrees centigrade over the past 100 years. The UN estimate is twice that.
There are about 160,000 glaciers around the world. Most have never been visited or measured by man. The great majority of these glaciers are growing, not melting.
Side-looking radar interferometry shows that the ise mass in the West Antarctic is growing at a rate of over 26 gigatons a year. This reverses a melting trend that had persisted for the previous 6,000 years.
Rising sea levels? The sea levels have been rising since the last ice age ended. That was 12,000 years ago. Estimates are that in that time the sea level has risen by over 300 feet. The rise in our sea levels has been going on long before man started creating anything but natural CO2 emissions.
Like Antarctica, the interior of Greenland is gaining ice mass.
Over the past 3,000 years there have been five different extended periods when the earth was measurably warmer than it is today.
During the last 20 years — a period of the highest carbon dioxide levels — global temperatures have actually decreased. That’s right … decreased.
Why did a reporter from National Public Radio refuse to interview David Deming, an associate professor at the University of Oklahoma studying global warming, after his testimony to the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee unless Deming would state that global warming was being caused by man?
Why are global warming proponents insisting that the matter is settled and that no further scientific research is needed? Why are they afraid of additional information?
On July 24, 1974 Time Magazine published an article entitled “Another Ice Age?” Here’s the first paragraph:
“As they review the bizarre and unpredictable weather pattern of the past several years, a growing number of scientists are beginning to suspect that many seemingly contradictory meteorological fluctuations are actually part of a global climatic upheaval. However widely the weather varies from place to place and time to time, when meteorologists take an average of temperatures around the globe they find that the atmosphere has been growing gradually cooler for the past three decades. The trend shows no indication of reversing. Climatological Cassandras are becoming increasingly apprehensive, for the weather aberrations they are studying may be the harbinger of another ice age.”
When you say ‘liberalism’ are you actually referring to ‘leftism’?
liberalism:
1 : the quality or state of being liberal
2 a often capitalized : a movement in modern Protestantism emphasizing intellectual liberty and the spiritual and ethical content of Christianity b : a theory in economics emphasizing individual freedom from restraint and usually based on free competition, the self-regulating market, and the gold standard c : a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties
Yes, that is correct, leftism, which includes those such as Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Barney Frank, Barack Obama, the deceased Ted Kennedy, Al Gore, but by no means only consists of Democrats, for there are Republicans (RINO) who are leftists also. If people want to live under socialism, and that is what the leftists push, then wonderful, pack up and go to Venezuela or Cuba, but that is not what the foundation of this nation was built on. The leftist/progressive/socialists are what is wrong with this country, and it is people like Obama and Van Jones who wish to dismantle it and rebuild it to their liking. It is people like them who have taken prayer out of school, twist the Constitution to say what they want it to say, created the welfare state, created the global warming myth, created the housing crisis we see (Barney Frank), tell us what kind of light bulbs we will use and want to dictate to us what kind of car to drive,taken over the car industry and banks, and want to do away with not only the First and Second Amendments to the Constitution but want to completely rewrite it by forming a Constitutional Convention. This country is in danger, and those who cannot see it better wake up. Our freedoms and liberties are evaporating before our very eyes. Oh, they also want to force you to be vaccinated or be arrested and fined for not complying. (Current law being passed now in Massachusetts) It is all about control. The more they have you thinking their way (brainwashed) then the more compliant a subject you will be. Subject, not citizen. Think for yourself and do not believe everything you are told. Do your own research.
Question everything regardless whether it was a Democrat or Republican that said it. They are pretty much the same thing.
Wouldn’t no where to start because you cannot memorize the ever-changing MSM explanation. They even change the name to cover new explanations.
Czar #54, Who Are You?
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=482716
They Already Tax Your Ass
http://blumenauer.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1524&Itemid=1
The vampiric and gluttonous feeding frenzy currently being enjoyed by the federal government under the pretext of climate change is set to be expanded with a range of new taxes on products disposed of via waste water, including cosmetics, toothpaste and toilet paper.
The “Water Protection and Reinvestment Act,” H.R.3202, introduced last week by Representative Earl Blumenauer (D-Ore), will be “financed broadly by small fees on such things as bottled beverages, products disposed of in wastewater, corporate profits, and the pharmaceutical industry,” according to Blumenauer’s fact sheet.
Though the taxes are “designed to be collected at the manufacturer level,” only the most naive would doubt that multinational corporations would just pass the cost on to the consumer in the form of higher prices, as is routine.
Items disposed of in wastewater, such as toothpaste, cosmetics, toilet paper and cooking oil will be subject to a 3% excise tax, while water beverages will be hit with a 4% tax, “because these products wind up in the water stream and require clean up by sewage treatment plants,” according to the bill.
The legislation also cites “climate change mitigation” as a justification for imposing the taxes. The Feds’ new feeding frenzy will rake in around $10 billion dollars a year.
slightly OT:
IIRC there have been several movies that convey our way of thinking: Soylent Green and Atlas Shrugged being two. Actually, I never saw the movie Atlas Shrugged but I assume it was somewhat true to the book.
Knowledge is important but it isn’t potent when it is dismissed without thought.
I have already heard calls for forced euthenasia at an old age from the environmental crowd. Of course the proponents of such claim they are concerned about “quality of life” but it looks to me like quality of *another* life is the concern.
Holdren, with a blithe “of course,” encourages government to wage an effective war on the family in America. It begins with the abolition of “pronatalist” policies and continues with their complete reversal:
“As United States taxpayers know, income tax laws have long implicitly encouraged marriage and childbearing…Such a pronatalist bias of course is no longer appropriate. In countries that are affluent enough for the majority of citizens to pay taxes, tax laws could be adjusted to favor (instead of penalize) single people, working wives, and small families. Other tax measures might also include high marriage fees, taxes on luxury baby goods and toys, and removal of family allowances where they exist. Other possibilities include the limitation of maternal or educational benefits to two children per family.
Holdren notes that some of these proposals “have the potential disadvantage of heavily penalizing children (and in the long run society as well).” This is not a disqualifier, though, as long as the proposals are “carefully adjusted to avoid denying at least minimum care for poor families, regardless of the number of children they may have.”
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/More-Holdren-Traditional-family-is-obsolete-50807107.html
This is a sick man.
Ur not wrong Louie,
Its just another feeble attempt to usher in communist rule. A blundering covert mission to reduce the population via means of tax incentive…
Whereby China, who used to fine their citizens for breaking ‘one child policy’, are now imprisoned in concentration camps, forced into slave labour and have their organs harvested and sold on the black market should the need arise….dont need a tax incentive, as the threat of murder is worse..
The approach is somewhat more ’subtle’ in the western world…
But I guess u have to take ur hat off to ‘em.. They will and do, try just about anything to get rid of us… Cant poison us fast enough, cant spread diseases fast enough, cant tax us to death, so how about appealling to greed and our hip pocket and give us a reason to reduce the population.. Unbelievable…..
I am looking forward to the hollywood blockbuster, where the plot of the film depicts the ugly truth about our elites/history/money etc… It would seem so far fetched, (yet completely real), that I wonder how many sheeple would pass it off as impossible or a totally ridiculous and highly unlikely plot..
Wake up people…
Our freedoms, rights and lives are being stripped away before our very eyes, leaving us standing there scratching our heads, wondering how in hell this ever has happened…
Well, we need only look in the mirror if you want someone to blame… Ignorance is not bliss.
We stop being slaves to this corrupt system once we realize and accept that we are slaves…. Strangely enough, there is freedom and release from bondage in first accepting things the way they are, then comes the strength and foresight to change.
A WELL INFORMED PUBLIC WILL STOP THESE SATANIC FOOLS DEAD IN THEIR TRACKS….
And sooner rather than later or soon will we not only be facing another bubble (carbon tax), but a fully fledged occult society, where information is controlled and monitored and sites like this will vanish…
Its time to knock on the doors of our neighbors and bring warning of this massive growing deception..
Long live LOVE…
Peach I Am
P
John Holdren, Ideological Environmentalist
http://www.forbes.com/2009/02/03/holdren-obama-science-opinions-contributors_0203_ronald_bailey.html
This global warming has the same reasoning (crisis) as the war on terror. There were no terrorists who took down the towers on 9/11, no weapons of mass destruction, no guy hiding in caves that we need to go after….so the war can go on and on (while they come up with new reasons to continue the wars). The war just needed to be sustained (according to Rockefeller/FED).
The tax on CO2 can go on forever too! Sustained tax plan, especially designed by the FED. There is trumped up “proof” of a crisis and scientists disagree with Al Gore in his conclusions. It has nothing to do with ecology and everything to do with more profits for the wealthy and the invention of a new commodity for Wall Street so they can create another bubble to make yet another heist. It will be the cause of job losses in several industries, more economic problems as a result.
Oh there is a storm brewing, but it has nothing to do with the weather.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmWhvl9cub8
“Like a train that stops at every station,
we all deal with trials and tribulations
Fear hangs the fellow that ties up his years,
entangled in yellow and cries all his tears
Changes come before we can grow,
learn to see them before we’re too old
Don’t just take me for tryin’ to be heavy,
understand, it’s time to get ready for the storm”
Following a man who teaches and practices constitutional beliefs is a heard of sheep I am honored to be in… Following the mainstream propaganda is not… Big difference!!!
We just want an open debate about GW. We don’t want to waste time, money, and energy in the wrong direction like Washington will surly do. They will be taxing you soon, don’t worry. One more way to lower the income you have and the freedom you work for… In California we pay 50% of our income to the gov. Somethings got to give and it’s not me… I’m spent…
RAY: Standing up for truth will never make you a loser… Abortion isn’t a personal opinion it is murder. Go watch one and tell me otherwise…
Other than roads (gas tax) and beaches I don’t use or need the government. So I pay tens of thousand of dollars for what? I work 10 days a month just to pay taxes… Hilarious!!! I’ll be in the street revolting if anyone cares to join me…
How is taxing people going to stop GW. The people in bed with oil based energy need to be purged from Washington so we can bring clean energy to market. People will begin to switch. Cap and Trade is a scam to make billions for the elite at the expense of you and me…
move away from California. Didn’t you know that states used to compete through taxes? Half of your taxes are coming from the state, not the federal government.
So the federal programs in Cali don’t affect state taxes?
We don’t have any state taxes in Texas and we have all the same government programs California has.
Former Vice President Al Gore declared that the Congressional climate bill will help bring about “global governance.”
“I bring you good news from the U.S., “Gore said on July 7, 2009 in Oxford at the Smith School World Forum on Enterprise and the Environment, sponsored by UK Times.
“Just two weeks ago, the House of Representatives passed the Waxman-Markey climate bill,” Gore said, noting it was “very much a step in the right direction.” President Obama has pushed for the passage of the bill in the Senate and attended a G8 summit this week where he agreed to attempt to keep the Earth’s temperatures from rising more than 2 degrees C.
Gore touted the Congressional climate bill, claiming it “will dramatically increase the prospects for success” in combating what he sees as the “crisis” of man-made global warming.
“But it is the awareness itself that will drive the change and one of the ways it will drive the change is through global governance and global agreements.”
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6658672.ece
We’ve had global governance and agreements for hundreds of years. What do you think treaties are? Have you ever heard of the United Nations?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_member_states#Current_members
Take your apples and oranges arguments to someone that is an expert on everything like yourself.
I have no interest in your groveling, statist, robotic, wikified rhetoric.
So you can demonize the man who won the nobel peace prize with false judgments. That shows what kind of person you truely are.
Global warming destroys my inalienable rights which i believe the government should protect.
More Co2, Please !!!
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Haha! Just because you are off key with the overwhelming majority of the scientific community and rest of the world does not make me a sheep. Following one man around such as ron paul with a small herd of people makes you a sheep.
Your words reflect your actions.
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exactly
Explanation of Sean and his herd
Anthony Pratkanis, a renowned social psychologist, has analyzed and classified a variety of tactics humans use to manipulate and change the beliefs or attitudes of others. A few of these include using associations, controlling the flow of information, setting the agenda, and relying on social rules and taking advantage of our subjective feelings. One principle I would like to highlight is known as “social proof.” Studies have shown that individuals look for guidance by finding out what others think; especially those we perceive are experts or in authority. This principle becomes more influential when there is a perceived consensus and when the individual is faced with uncertainty and ambiguity. As a result, individuals are more likely to follow the “crowd” to maintain social acceptance and reduce our psychological vulnerabilities. Two quick examples that make us susceptible to social influence are global warming and the current economic crisis. First, the issues are complex and ambiguous, and society has largely relied on “experts” and political figures.
In the news, reporters have endlessly cited the United Nations climate panel, the Federal Reserve Chairman, Al Gore, and other world leaders to persuade individuals to support economic bailouts and drastic climate measures. Little information is provided as the basis for their actions and the science and “consensus” is never questioned. Thus, the average individual is left without the knowledge to make an informed decision. This uncertainty and lack of knowledge consistently leads individuals to defer to the group and authority figures such as politicians, professors, and the media. Moreover, in an effort to maintain ideal conditions for social persuasion, an opposing viewpoint is labeled “radical, far-right, and even conservative” to place the individual in the “out” group, thus destroying their potential influence on others.
Although most intelligent individuals recognize bias, the inundating messages unconsciously lead to helplessness, apathy, and eventually acquiescence. In other words, the totality of the messages eventually destroys most individual defenses! Even when we are aware! For example, if individuals are consistently faced with “supposed facts and experts” from the media, professors, politicians, and corporations, values, ideals, and behavior is subtly manipulated like a river that never ceases to erode its banks. It will eventually get deeper and wider.
Please.The whole world has been trying to warn us and we ignore them. What do they have to gain from it, besides the safety of the planet? These scientists already get all the funding they need, so it’s not about the money. I think it’s irresponsible to dissmiss the facts because you can’t comprehend it.
There was that big study just done from 13 federal agencies, from republicans and democrats.. Now republican’s believe in global warming but they don’t know a way to solve it without giving the government extra responsibilities.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/12/1206_041206_global_warming_2.html
I noticed that you used the word ‘facts’ when , in fact, you are sharing opinions.
http://www.oism.org/pproject/GWReview_OISM600.pdf
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/globalwarming.html
http://www.friendsofscience.org/assets/documents/GlobalWarmingScam_Gray.pdf
http://neighbors.denverpost.com/blog.php/2009/06/01/enrons-global-warming-scam/
http://www.dakotavoice.com/2009/05/global-warming-scam-to-cost-americans-trillions/
http://www.kusi.com/weather/colemanscorner/38574742.html
According to Friday’s Washington Times, the legislation (cap and trade) includes language that provides, should it become law, that people who lose their jobs because of it “could get a weekly paycheck for up to three years, subsidies to find new work and other generous benefits—courtesy of Uncle Sam.”
How generous are these benefits? Well, according to the Times, “Adversely affected employees in oil, coal and other fossil-fuel sector jobs would qualify for a weekly check worth 70 percent of their current salary for up to three years. In addition, they would get $1,500 for job-search assistance and $1,500 for moving expenses from the bill’s ‘climate change worker adjustment assistance’ program, which is expected to cost $4.2 billion from 2011 to 2019.”
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/peter-roff/2009/07/06/democrats-admit-that-their-cap-and-trade-bill-is-a-job-killer.html
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jul/03/energy-job-losers-could-get-windfall/
Garcon! More Co2, Please.
http://www.oism.org/pproject/GWReview_OISM600.pdf
“Al Gore today compared the battle against climate change with the struggle against the Nazis,” reports the London Times.
So presumably anyone who questions climate change is now a Nazi sympathizer – a global warming denier?
Nowhere will you hear a deeper insult to the millions of people who lost their lives during world war two fighting the Nazis.
The only thing Al Gore is fighting for is his right to scam trillions of dollars out of us via a cap and trade system that he – along with the Rothschilds and Maurice Strong – partly owns.
The charity was the Joyce Foundation on whose board of directors Obama served and which gave nearly $1.1 million in two separate grants that were “instrumental in developing and launching the privately-owned Chicago Climate Exchange, which now calls itself “North America’s only cap and trade system for all six greenhouse gases, with global affiliates and projects worldwide.
The Chicago Climate Exchange (CCX) has direct ties to both Al Gore and Maurice Strong, two figures intimately involved with a long standing movement to use the theory of man made global warming as a mechanism for profit and social engineering.
Gore’s investment company, Generation Investment Management, which sells carbon offset opportunities, is the largest shareholder of CCX.
While Maurice Strong, who is regularly credited as founding father of the modern environmental movement, serves on the board of directors of CCX. Strong was a leading initiate of the Earth Summit in the early 90s, where the theory of global warming caused by CO2 generated by human activity was most notably advanced.
HELLOOOOOO !!!!!
Going Green alright, more American’s greens right into the pockets of the wealthy.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/16781569/The-Great-American-Bubble-Machine-GoldmanSachs-and-the-crash
This article talks about another heist that is due to take place. The article explains that Cap & Trade (Tax) will create a new commodity for Wall Street, investors and scammers and for green companies to get excited about. More damage to the economy? Probably.
People just don’t get it. Al Gore is going to get rich off of this scam and we need to stop the bill in the senate. These fake bubbles piss me off.
Ever increasing use of manufactured “crisis” to control the masses. Make them afraid of something, put fear into them, and the masses of sheeple will drop their opposition and responsibility and look for a leader…that allows the government to do whatever it wants (in the name of Saving You). Put a smiling face in front of the people, a smooth, eloquent talker who appears to be thoughtful and sincere, with a pretense of being a caring individual you can trust, who puts hope in your heart…and there you have it, CONTROL OVER THE PEOPLE’S MINDS…so “they” can have their way with the plans for the world, for the NWO.
Don’t let it happen to you. Don’t contribute to it. Use and protect your own minds. Be creative. Motivate people through honest to goodness love and care. Be sincere, honest and consistent. Ron Paul is a great example of the above. Be informed via the internet. Mainstream media has been bought, it’s toast.
To manufacture crisis after crisis is on the to-do list of the Bilderberg Group, so we will view the government as our Savior. THEY ARE NOT ALL THAT! They are the cause of what ails America, the corruption, they are the sickness, the terrorists. Remember the saying of when pointing the finger at another (nation), there are 3 fingers pointing back to you(what’s going on in America). We will see it and hear this theme song time and again, like a broken record. Don’t let it disturb you, only use it to inform you that the Natzi idiots are getting ready to pull off another heist. They follow a distinct pattern. Noticed? Do you know how you can tell when they are telling a lie? Their lips are moving.
As long as everyone plays the part they want them to play in their world game, for those who are not alert and awake yet, the game goes on in their favor. But if you interrupt their game, use your own mind, get control of yourself, do something they don’t expect, then the game changes. They feed off of the money WE make. They are busy creating streams of income directly from the American people to them to make you and our country poorer. Can you hear that sucking sound? They will keep taking until they get down to the lint at the bottom of your pocket. Greed. Good ol’ American Greed. Foreclosed homes, home loans, car sales, green products, health insurance, educational system, insurance companies, …what else have they bought up for income purposes? oh, inflation, hyperinflation, taxes, cap and trade, oil, war….on and on.
This is the game theme of the Bilderberg Group and elite bankers which permeate our media, financial and political systems, military too. I look forward to the day when the masses stand up to them and say, no! Not my country, not in America! not Anywhere!
The Great Global Warming Swindle.
I do not doubt that mankind is releasing chemicals, and pollutants into our atmosphere that are damaging to both mother nature and her inhabitants.
But that I am supposed to believe the now pop culture fad movement that has been presented to me in the so called definitive “Inconvienient Truth,” by a man whose technical qualifications boil down to a semester class he took while earning a degree in government is something I find hard to swallow.
That we are led to belive that by driving this kind of car, and purchasing this kind of lightbulb, or living this way versus another we are somehow contributing to the destruction of earth and mankinds tenure upon it, I find somewhat ill concieving.
CO2 IS NOT a pollutant. It never has been, and never will be. Furthermore, human beings are not the primary or even secondary source of CO2 levels in earths stratosphere.
But none the less, we are led to believe these lies. These outright lies, orchestrated and fed to us by a crafty politician who would like to think he is responsible for the internets conception.
It’s been said that Al Gore may have no invented the internet, but he did invent Global Warming.
I find what he is doing is not only damming to the cause, but saddening. We now have millions of people on the ‘band wagon,’ ready to start living in a way that they are aware of their impact on their enviornment.
But instead of being concerned with actual pollutants, many of which aren’t even regulated by our EPA such as nitrogen levels, we want to figure out what our ‘carbon footprint’ is.
While a politician in a suit hops from city to city in the most fuelly inefficient mode of transport available to tell us all we need to change our lightbulbs, and quit driving our SUV’s. Becaue we are supposedly killing planet earth.
And meanwhile ethonol production has skyrocketed becaue it’s going to “save our planet” and it creates over 200% the pollution just using gasoline would.
It doesn’t matter how many qualified climate scientists, or engineering line up to disagree with, or even sue Al Gore for his lies. Gore was unable to validate the films claims in an England court over two years ago yet we are still swalling his crap.
It all stinks. Anyone who disagrees is thrown out as a heretic. This is supposed to be science, but before we could test our theory a clever man by the name of Al Gore found out how much money could be made, and my friends he has made it.
If you want to know the impact of global warming on this planet just look at the stocks Al Gore bought before releasing his movie, and what happened to them afterwards. Just look at who owns all of the “green energy” technologies, and who is going to own them.
We talk about American’s being free’d from oversea’s oil, what a joke. What for? So companies like GE can own us? With their company execs sitting on the boards of our nations illegal central bank? Along with pepsi and home depot, and the list goes on execs?
omg, this bill needs to die. if it passes were going to have to pass one here in canada too just to comply with the protectionist aspect of the bill. talk about a massive increase in fuel costs for both countries just due to getting taxed twice, once here for the raw stuff which is then taxed at your border, refinery c&c taxes followed by c&c tax at the pump. my prediction, $7 a gallon gas in the US and $9-11 a litre here by 2012 if this toilet paper bill is taken seriously.