Health Care

In these United States of America, one of the wealthiest countries on the planet, many people cannot afford even basic health insurance. They suffer severely under the present system and have to live under the constant fear of not knowing what they will do if they or their loved ones ever fall seriously ill.

But in many cases, insured individuals aren’t much better off either. In comparison to the exorbitant insurance premiums they pay, the medical care they receive is often very poor.

Additionally, due to the government-enforced monopolies of HMOs (Health Maintenance Organizations) and pharmaceutical companies, many patients will never even hear about some of the most effective and non-invasive treatment methods. These natural and inexpensive ways of regaining one’s health are being suppressed by the FDA and the medical establishment not because of safety concerns (they’ve been around for hundreds of years), but because they cannot be patented and would therefore cut into the pharmaceutical industry’s profits.

The current system is most definitely broken, and it must eventually be abolished if we want regain both our health and our freedom.

Forced nationalization is the worst possible answer. To get elected, many politicians promise “free” medical care for everyone. But health care nationalization in European countries resulted in longer waiting periods, severe lack of choice, deterioration of health care quality, prohibition of alternative health treatments, higher taxes, and sadly (for some) permanent illness or death because they could not get the care they needed.

Also, a nationalized system is not “free” at all because someone has to pay for it. And why should anyone be forced to pay for someone else’s medical care? Very few decent people would personally assault their neighbors at gunpoint and steal thousands of dollars to pay for their own medical needs. How could any freedom loving person agree to delegate such criminal acts to the government by supporting a nationalized health care system?

There is only one solution that will lead to true health and true freedom: making health care more affordable. Ron Paul believes that only true free market competition will put pressure on the providers and force them to lower their costs to remain in business. Additionally, Ron Paul wants to change the tax code to allow individual Americans to fully deduct all health care costs from their taxes.

Through these measures and the elimination of government-sponsored health care monopolies a much larger number of people will be able to finally access affordable health care, either by paying for medical insurance or by covering their medical expenses, which are now much lower, out of their own pocket.

As for the poor and the severely ill who can neither obtain insurance nor pay for the medical care they need, Ron Paul offers the following solution in his book “The Revolution: A Manifesto“:

In the days before Medicare and Medicaid, the poor and elderly were admitted to hospitals at the same rate they are now, and received good care. Before those programs came into existence, every physician understood that he or she had a responsibility towards the less fortunate and free medical care was the norm. Hardly anyone is aware of this today, since it doesn’t fit into the typical, by the script story of government rescuing us from a predatory private sector.

Illegal aliens already receive de-facto free health care. Why can’t poor Americans have the same… not as a right, but as a charitable benefit provided by doctors who feel a personal responsibility for their fellow citizens?

Unfortunately, the current medical monopoly corrupts many doctors by rewarding practices that are not in the patients’ best interest. Pharmaceutical companies have a vested interest in not curing people, but getting them permanently addicted to expensive drugs that have many side effects, thereby requiring additional drugs to suppress those side effects. Many doctors are afraid to speak up and question the system for fear of being ostracized by their peers or even losing their license.

Under a liberated health care system prices would come down and additional options would become available, thereby making health care much more affordable. Moral corruption would give way to true compassion, and many doctors would remember their implicit obligation to provide free medical care to those in need, just like they did in the past.

As a medical doctor, Ron Paul swore the Hippocratic Oath many decades ago. His entire person and career is a monument to the beauty and sanctity of human life. Ron Paul knows that life without health can be very difficult and is not what it was meant to be. He has personally cared for the poor for many years, without asking anything in return.

The government’s original role is to protect our freedoms and restrain itself from causing too much harm. Ron Paul is working to prevent greedy bureaucrats, opportunist politicians and corrupt pharmaceutical companies from having any sort of unhealthy influence over our bodies and minds.

Join the Ron Paul Revolution and help us put the government back where it belongs: to Washington DC and out of our daily lives.

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  1. David Chisman says:

    This country needs a new type of Health Care. The way we treat health issues goes back to the dawn of human health issues. We need to have a up to date system of treatment. Look at this Washington Post article. New ideas that we can use.
    David Chisman

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    lots in this article

    How a medical revolution may transform Northern Virginia

    By Steven Pearlstein

    Even as Washington policymakers struggle to reform the country’s health-care system, about 20 miles away in Fairfax County, Dietrich Stephan is hatching a plot to revolutionize it.

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  2. Lindsey says:

    I would love for Ron Paul to be president and carry out his plans. I feel he is a truly moral guy. I’m concerned that many U.S citizens particulary in the most recent generation don’t understand responsibility, that they aren’t ready or willing to do what it’s going to take. So Ron Paul being elected would be a really good thing, bringing the people back to reality, but what I’m trying to say is that chances are, the majority will not vote for Ron Paul, the people will realize that electing Ron Paul is going to mean things won’t be easy. People will have to actually think for themselves god forbid, and take responsibility for what we’ve done. I do think it’s worth a try though, I think him running inspires people to try. To become informed and inform others.

  3. Cindy Mc says:

    Obama’s consistent message has been ‘Change’ ~ well the ‘change’ we’re getting are ‘apparent’ attempts to fix what’s broken in our country. The same things which the true ‘Elitest’ powers of the world actually (and intentionally) created in the first place.

    We’re going from the pot to the frying pan. The biggest problems with our country were largely created for the purpose of getting us to blindly and willingly be led like sheep to the slaughter.

    Personally I think it’s too late to prevent what’s coming ~ I think that the best we can hope for is to be aware of and prepared as best we can for what’s ahead of us. As a Christian I believe that God does that with His people ~ if they’re listening. Scripture shows Him doing so repeatedly. Sure ~ national repentance can always alter our course (remember the story of Jonah and Ninevah?) ~ but that was the exception ~ and I (pessimistically) don’t see ‘that’ happening with us. Hope I’m wrong.

    This does seem like a particularly important time to be prepared as physically and spiritually as possible.

  4. christine says:

    Why isn’t this all over the news in mainstream media??
    This is headline information.

    Some have reported that they think this is a pneumonic plague because the infected person’s lungs fill with blood, the lungs reach such high temperatures that they literally melt and bring death.

    Ukraine Health Minister Says New Strain
    of H1N1 Swine Flu: Possible Mutation

    November 6, 2009
    The first deputy minister of Health in Ukraine said in a statement that they have a different H1N1 swine flu than the rest of the world. In 6 days 500,000 people have been infected and 109 deaths have been confirmed.

    Reports of H1N1 Vaccine Causing Miscarriages
    http://preventdisease.com/news/09/110709_H1N1_vaccine_miscarriage_reports.shtml

  5. christine says:

    Dozens of People Die In India From Unknown Virus
    November 8, 2009
    Doctors at Sassoon General Hospital in Pune, India are worried. Thirty-five patients with swine flu-like symptoms died in the last 45 days at the hospital, and not one of them tested positive for swine flu. The doctors still don’t know what caused the death of these patients.

    http://preventdisease.com/news/09/110809_dozens_die_india_unknown_virus.shtml

  6. christine says:

    Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) BG
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66-uDn-YQDg&feature=related

    “Government is going to go into bankruptcy.” This bill has nothing to do with healthcare, if you think they are doing this out of the kindness of their heart, they are not! It has to do with the government taking total control of the entire economy.

    Tea partiers descend on Capitol Hill Jonathan Allen and Meredith Shiner POLITICO com
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Fzs-UElWc4&feature=related

    Michelle Bachman on Pelosi Health Care Bill: “This Is the Crown jewel of Socialism”
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLDzKfsUzy0&feature=related

    The government has taken control over 30% of the American economy + healthcare, 18% = 48% of our economy!!

    America is no longer a free market society with the above stats.
    That’s alarming. So HR3962 passed the House today.

    Next, the House must again get 218 or more votes, voting a 2nd time, then the bill goes to the Senate.

    Mark Levin’s speech on Capitol Hill
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tjmg5aTYmU&feature=related

    Emergency House call, Michelle Bachman, March on Washington, Anti Pelosi Health Care
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8H-v-A6EAv4&feature=related

    Priest being arrested from Pelosi’s office on 11/5 march on Washington DC
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQh8nPHTd6A&feature=related

    Kill the Bill: Americans fight healthcare reform
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkFZRekpqpk&feature=related

    The Government’s Job Loss Program

    Liberty and Tyranny: Bachmann Warns Against Cap-and-Trade
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hd-ERDBs4ek&feature=related

    car dealerships, medical insurance, doctors, mortgage and real estate industry, construction…..

    2010 Census Warning

    Bachmann Talks Cap-and-Trade and Census
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvNlTe-KZPw&feature=channel
    can use the census info to use for roundup to take mass people to internment, we have many hundreds of internment camps in the US.

    Concerns with the 2010 Census
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrQ5Ez6Gork&feature=channel

  7. christine says:

    Drumroll…for freedom, privacy, liberty, for America and the Constitution.

    c-span airing the debate on the healthcare reform bill now. Take down names. Vote out those fighting against American freedom.

    They could have spent time making laws that would make it illegal for big insurance corporations to use pre-existing conditions, of getting in the way of the patient and doctor relationship, of increasing premiums to un-affordable. Did they do that? No. Why? Because they don’t intend on it. They want increasing profits to continue their massive spending spree and to devastate the American economy. Neither party has worked towards stopping this aim and goal. Shame on this government. This government is un-American and no longer represents Americans or the Constitution!

    • christine says:

      This is a sad day for America. More freedom, gone. We are now more controlled by an agressive socialistic government than ever. They passed the healthcare bill. Take names, vote them out.

      • Lindsey says:

        Christine: I have faith that the Senate will kill the bill. And I will surely vote my Rep. OUT! He is a piece of crap. He even voted against the Stupak amendment!

  8. christine says:

    Flu Pandemic Archive
    http://www.preventdisease.com/misc1.html

    IMPORTANT INTERVIEW, go to the link below, scroll down on the page and take a listen. This person has done a lot of study and research.

    H1N1 Vaccine Packages’ Inserts
    Ingredients and Warnings

    http://preventdisease.com/news/09/092109_H1N1_package_inserts_warnings.shtml

    Codex Alimentarius: Nutricide Will Commence December 31, 2009
    http://preventdisease.com/home/tips103.shtml

    Incrementalism: Breaking Free From World Powers Who Gradually Destroy Our Health
    http://preventdisease.com/news/09/082709_incrementalism.shtml

    Google these topics, search YouTube:
    Chemtrails, heavy metals in the air
    Flouride in water
    Monsanto, GMO seeds and food supply

    Don’t trust the government to keep you healthy!

  9. christine says:

    She’s a dedicated, knowledgable political activist.
    Check out the list of offenses against our constitutional rights and background information to the swine flu hoax.

    Rebecca Campbell files federal lawsuit over WHO flu scam in Seattle
    http://www.theflucase.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1355%3Arebecca-campbell-files-federal-lawsuit-over-who-flu-scam-in-seattle&catid=1%3Alatest-news&Itemid=64&lang=en

  10. christine says:

    Woman Disabled by Flu Shot Reaction
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4lMH2iTt9c&feature=related

    Very Sad: Cheerleader Gets A Flu Shot & Now She Can Only Walk Backwards!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mScGC7nFDxM&feature=topvideos

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  12. christine says:

    Great Website and Article on the Flu Jab

    Dr Mercola on what the media doesn’t tell you about the “swine flu” jab

    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/10/21/Special-Swine-Flu-Update.aspx

    The stats on flu cases and deaths that are widely spread are wrong!

  13. christine says:

    A Sick Twist
    http://www.campaignforliberty.com/article.php

    The connection between the proposed government controlled healthcare plan and cap and trade + John Holdren’s population reduction concepts/book.

    Daughter saves mother, 80, left by doctors to starve
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article6869646.ece

    Families ‘kept in the dark’ as doctors make life-or-death decisions
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article6833149.ece

  14. christine says:

    Robert F. Kennedy JR tells the truth-Vaccine-Gov Cover up
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLzdOFwd_xw&feature=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U-RG-mS2Vc&feature=related

    so too for the flu vaccine. ALL vaccines are suspect now.

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  16. Janice says:

    And How Scientific and factural is this??????? That’s a good way to counterfeit the Swine Flu, just say there is now way to know for sure…..so that tells me ….these guys are operating back in the dark ages…..and trying to scare us without the facts.
    How does an American react then to this Counterfeit Epidemic?
    Do we refuse their Counterfeit Flu Vaccine?
    Do we refuse to pay $25 for their mandated Counterfeit Flu Vaccine, with their Counterfeit Money?
    Do we allow them to put us under Marital Law, with Unconstitutionally, trained none citizens of the USA?

    The Counterfeit Age of the USA 2000-2012/this one is for you Sean!
    —————————————————————————-
    09/29/2009
    CDC Drafts “Isolation Order” for H1N1
    The following draft of an “isolation order” was discovered on the CDC’s website. It is a template for state and local officials to impose quarantines and what would effectively be martial law.

    “Your illness [as determined by state and local officials] requires that you be isolated and requires further public health investigation and monitoring.”

    Failure to obey will result in imprisonment without bail prior to trial and the possibility of a two year prison term.

    In other words, according to this document, officials can impose quarantine without evidence that somebody is actually infected with a virus that is now negligible at best. It may also be used to quarantine potentially millions of people suffering from any number of illnesses — or not suffering from any disease at the discretion of the state — that have nothing to do with H1N1. It is basically a carte blanche for martial law under the cover of protecting the public from a communicable disease that is demonstrably a manufactured and weaponized threat.
    go to …..
    http://blogs.healthfreedomalliance.org/blog/2009/09/29/cdc-drafts-isolation-order-for-h1n1/

  17. dan says:

    ”Do you presume to criticize the great Oz, you ungrateful creatures?”
    “Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.” Wizard of Oz
    The Wizard knew about the power of the media, and deception, and fear in dealing with the masses.

    There is a strenuous health care debate out there today, or so it would seem. Is it true? We hear republicans saying that a public option plan will devastate private health insurance companies. We hear them talk about the greatness of private enterprise and the dangers of huge government takeovers of health care, of socialized medicine and of skyrocketing costs, as if they have really seemed to care about that lately. We hear from democrats who swear that reform “will not” eliminate private for profit health insurance companies!
    What we do not hear in this political debate in the mass media, is anyone questioning why keeping private health insurance companies in business is really such a good thing anyway. It is actually not because no one is talking about it, we just do not get to hear it. In fact, both democratic and republican leadership have done everything in their power to stifle discussion about single payer insurance for everyone. Single payer is a system where through taxes the government collects money so everyone can go to the doctor. It skips the skimming the profit off the top part, or the not covering what is wrong with you part, or the getting in the way between you and your health provider part. We do not hear that there are many in the medical profession who would like single payer to be part of the health care debate, doctors and nurses who want to be able to take care of their patients without a fight from the insurance company. We do not hear that the majority of doctors are not in the AMA. It is interesting to note that over 16,000 doctors are pushing for single payer health insurance. Did you know that doctors and nurses are being arrested on a regular basis for standing up and trying to get our elected officials to include single payer insurance bill HR676 into the discussion? Eighty-five congressional representatives sponsor this bill and still we cannot talk about it. What is going on? The insurance industry wields tremendous power.
    It is clear that those behind the curtain manipulating public opinion want to keep this information quiet and secret. It is interesting to note that in 2003, before becoming president, Senator Obama gave a speech saying the only thing stopping a single payer plan for everyone was to elect democrats in the house of representatives, the senate and for the president. It was part of why voters elected him. It is also very interesting to know that according to opensecrets.org, the insurance industry spent 150 million in lobbying and contributions last year and the pharmaceuticals spent 230 million. That is a lot of money, apparently enough to buy influence. It is noteworthy, that unlike (foreign) wars without declaration, illegal spying on citizens, or imprisoning people indefinitely without trial, creating a single payer insurance bill HR676 is actually something the Constitution gives Congress the authority to do. Section 8 declares it. Congress can tax to provide for the common Defense and General Welfare. Welfare according to the Constitutional dictionary includes health and well being. Access for all to health care qualifies. I am not talking about government controlling medicine which we all should be nervous about.. I am talking about actually limiting government to only collect funds, which are put into a pool to only be delivered to health care providers of choice for people when needed. They would not spend millions of our premiums to lobby for the right to use our money as they see fit, as is done today privately. They would distribute the funds to health care providers for everybody, without taking money off the top; they have no other control between our health care givers and us. It would save money.

    The fact is, there is less government intervention with this plan, than with what we have today. How can that be?
    .

    It is important to know that today over 70 percent of people in the United States have health insurance plans attached to their employment, over 200 million people. Do you ever wonder why? Neither auto insurance nor property insurance has any such attachment.

    In the 1940s, the Roosevelt administration imposed a wage and price freeze on the country. The US had 14 million men fighting and had a shortage of workers here at home. Congress and the IRS passed a law that gave business and labor (typically large business that was producing for the war effort) relief from the constraints of the federal government’s wage and price restrictions. They did this by allowing compensation from business, in the form of health care benefits to the employees, to be tax-free and not defined as a wage increase. This tax break was not for people who have to buy their own health insurance, with after tax dollars. It is not a health care policy; it has always been a compensation policy. Wage and price controls no longer exist. Government policy has herded two hundred million people into employer-based insurance. The rest do not have any or buy their own. Consider those who pay 100 percent of their own premium, which, commonly run over 1000 dollars a month, sometimes much more. Of course, if they get sick and can’t pay that much insurance companies drop them.

    This government driven tax policy, no tax on corporations for health insurance as compensation, has completely defined the health insurance market. For sixty-five years, the federal tax system has supported private-employer-based insurance with huge “tax subsidies” or “tax expenditures.” In reality, the ones who make up for this tax break are all other taxpayers. Employees become stuck with their jobs for fear of losing insurance. The real cost of health insurance becomes blurred with partial payments from government, employee and employer and the insurance companies make a fortune off all for only moving money around. Our “for profit” health insurance system owes its existence to the war economy. A single payer plan is less government intervention, not more. Those who would complain about government interference about health care, take note, this has been government manipulation at its biggest and finest for 65 years! .

    Health insurance companies are simply brokers, they give no health services, and they provide no care. Insurance companies have almost free reign on whom they will cover, what they will cover, and how much they will pay for care. Their true function is simply serving as a middleman between the patient and the doctor for a huge fee and corporate profits. If there were not the giant tax breaks for the corporations, employer-based-for profit-health-insurance would not have developed. Meanwhile insurance companies, whose sole purpose is to make money, have control over patients’ life and death and there is no oversight. They do not have to tell us anything. Their greed for profit holds more importance than a person’s life.

    After 60 years of government supporting the health insurance companies, what do we have? While spending 10 times as much in military offense than any other country, we have
    1: 40 million or more uninsured Americans,
    2: Insurance executives who can have 750 million dollars in company stock and multi million dollar salaries (received from the insured’s premiums,) while 40 percent of all bankruptcies are due to medical bills owed by people WITH insurance.
    3: A US rank of 37th for health care among nations
    4: The most expensive health care in the world.
    5:: Over 20,000 People who die needlessly each year due to lack of access to health care.

    This feels like war. Why would we think this is a good idea? We can do, and deserve better.

    • Desert Rat says:

      What about the thousands or millions that needlessly die under Socialized medicine, huh??? Many people under socialized medicine die while waiting to get necessary surgeries or treatment, or just waiting to see a doctor or specialist. And do you really think that government can run a National Health Care plan? Just look at the great job their doing with Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, etc. They can barely run anything right. Anyway, it’s unconstitutional in the first place. The federal government isn’t responsible for providing healthcare or social services, that is left up to the States, or to the people. It’s very clear if you read the Constitution.

    • Desert Rat says:

      Where do you get the 40 million or more uninsured Americans from? The true number is much lower if you consider the people who don’t have it because they don’t want it or need it, and also the illegal aliens (who won’t be covered anyway under the proposed plan). Sure, we have problems, but it’s going to get much worse if it’s socialized. Beside’s that, it’s Unconstitutional.

    • Bojnik says:

      The health insurance you’re used to is not in fact insurance. Insurance is where you buy a policy that covers you in case something unlikely happens. If a nation-wide company like GEICO were allowed to sell you a policy for a couple hundred bucks a month whereby any medical expenses in a year over $5000 were paid in full, you might buy that. If it were even cheaper, like $80 a month, you would probably leap at the chance. They could even be less for people on sugarfree diets, less still for people who don’t smoke or drink. I would LOVE a plan like this. As it is, I get reimbursed for a portion of some medical expenses from my “insurer.” If I get hit by a stray bullet in the city and my medical bills go over $100,000 for any reason I’m out on by butt. What a farce. That’s the opposite of insurance and here’s why:

      NATIONWIDE MEDICAL INSURANCE COMPANIES ARE VIRTUALLY ILLEGAL. The only thing like it is death and disability coverage, which is clearly not the same.

      Legalizing actual medical insurance, and making such companies compete across state lines will allow sweet deals like you can find on homeowner’ policies. You could even bundle them.

      Forcing companies that offer such policies to explain them in fifth-grade English will further improve the benefit of real medical insurance.

      My insurance is $1000 a month between me and my employer. If I had to pay for it myself, that would be almost 1/5 of my Gross Individual Product. I’m a healthy 27 year old with a 27-year old wife and three healthy kids. We practice herbal medicine and we’re on a sugarfree diet. Insuring me would be a profiteer’s dream because I’m “A Paper” (to borrow a lending industry phrase). Real Private Medical Insurance would be a private-sector method of producing healthier citizens. It would pay like safe driving pays, and like disallowing children to play near the cliffs pays.

      If I kept my $12,000–if it came to me as cash instead of a “benefit”–and even a $300/month full-coverage Real Medical Insurance policy, I could save the high annual deductible and put it in the bank. After one year and have actual 100% coverage no matter what happened to any member of my family. As it is, I have limited coverage because my state thinks every policy needs to cover family planning, which cuts into the coverage _I_ want. Every policy in my state must also cover mental health benefits and many other things I do not want to buy.

      Let the free market sell me something I want. Force them to compete so I can get the sweetest deal in the nation. I would be able to keep more of my own money, wisely saving for retirement because with age my premiums will go up. But with $12k more every year to choose how to spend, I would have options (read: liberty).

      • christine says:

        Medical insurance is a scam. It is an additional medical expense, an increase in medical costs. Medical insurance is compatible with our sickcare system to make sure the pharmaceutical companies make a profit and the insurance companies make a profit, big profits (now the govt wants in on the action)….so that those who take care of themselves end up paying for those who don’t. How’s that for incentivising wellness?

        And with the govt spraying the sky with chemicals (chemtrails) that will lead to more disease, with the govt putting fluoride in our water (more disease), and with the govt going to implement Codex Alimentarious in December 31, 2009 which will give us non-nutritious food (govt control over the entire food process)…this will lead to more and more disease, so even the healthy ones who know the right choices will have a difficult time staying well.

        The healthcare bill was never about the govt caring about our health and reducing costs. The govt is a corporation, like all the other bailed-out corporations. They are in it for profit and motive.

  18. Max Sars MD says:

    This is the first place I read anything about Ron Paul’s take on Health Care. The best plan yet!!!!!!!!!
    If this government take over of the health care field passes (1/7 of our GNP), I will be getting out the health care field. I will be closing my two Health and Wellness Centers. My main theme has always been wellness. My clinics are not like most doctors. We do not cram meds down everyone that comes it.
    We will not be a part of Obamacare where costs and age determines if you live or die.
    This whole program about giving everone health insurance, is not about your and my health. They could care less if you or I die. These left-wing liberal socialist-communists think that if they can control your and my health care, they can control us. For most fools, in this country, that right.
    A friend of mine who is 75 years ask me what he should do if Obamacare passes. I told him don’t get sick. Old people will be the hardest hit with the government take over of the medical system(just like in Canada and England).
    My advise to everyone, if you are on Meds, get off of as many possible,eat right,stay, away from junk foods, don’t smoke or drink at all( a drink once and a while is OK), excercise and take vitamins and minerals. If you are overweight, lose weight and keep it off.
    If 5-10 years we will have a third-rate health care system.
    A teacher, of mine, in medical school, told me something that I’ve always remembered: WE GET THE GOVERNMENT WE DESERVE, NO MORE, NO LESS. AS A WHOLE!

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    YEHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

  21. Janice says:

    Ron Paul says……on healthcare….the quote is above all of our blogs…..which I don’t usually read but we should….
    Additionally, due to the government-enforced monopolies of HMOs (Health Maintenance Organizations) and pharmaceutical companies, many patients will never even hear about some of the most effective and non-invasive treatment methods. These natural and inexpensive ways of regaining one’s health are being suppressed by the FDA and the medical establishment not because of safety concerns (they’ve been around for hundreds of years), but because they cannot be patented and would therefore cut into the pharmaceutical industry’s profits.

    The current system is most definitely broken, and it must eventually be abolished if we want regain both our health and our freedom.

    Forced nationalization is the worst possible answer. To get elected, many politicians promise “free” medical care for everyone. But health care nationalization in European countries resulted in longer waiting periods, severe lack of choice, deterioration of health care quality, prohibition of alternative health treatments, higher taxes, and sadly (for some) permanent illness or death because they could not get the care they needed.

    Also, a nationalized system is not “free” at all because someone has to pay for it. And why should anyone be forced to pay for someone else’s medical care? Very few decent people would personally assault their neighbors at gunpoint and steal thousands of dollars to pay for their own medical needs. How could any freedom loving person agree to delegate such criminal acts to the government by supporting a nationalized health care system?

  22. Dan says:

    Martin Luther translated Bible into German from Latin. In effect this allowed the masses to read the Bible. He also said man was saved by grace and the mediator was Jesus. Both of these things took away from the absolute power of the hierarchy of the priests. This did not sit well with the state church.

    • Janice says:

      Partially right Dan….

      James chapter 2:17-26 addressed the Harlot faith of the Catholic faith..as Martin Luther discovered and wrote about.
      Martin Luther’s Evangelical Discovery

      http://www.greatsite.com/timeline-english-bible-history/martin-luther.html
      The demands of study for academic degrees and preparation for delivering lectures drove Martin Luther to study the Scriptures in depth. Luther immersed himself in the teachings of the Scripture and the early church. Slowly, terms like penance and righteousness took on new meaning. The controversy that broke loose with the publication of his 95 Theses placed even more pressure on the reformer to study the Bible. This study convinced him that the Church had lost sight of several central truths. To Luther, the most important of these was the doctrine that brought him peace with God.

      With joy, Luther now believed and taught that salvation is a gift of God’s grace, received by faith and trust in God’s promise to forgive sins for the sake of Christ’s death on the cross. This, he believed was God’s work from beginning to end.
      Luther’s 95 Theses

      On Halloween of 1517, Luther changed the course of human history when he nailed his 95 Theses to the church door at Wittenberg, accusing the Roman Catholic church of heresy upon heresy. Many people cite this act as the primary starting point of the Protestant Reformation… though to be sure, John Wycliffe, John Hus, Thomas Linacre, John Colet, and others had already put the life’s work and even their lives on the line for same cause of truth, constructing the foundation of Reform upon which Luther now built. Luther’s action was in great part a response to the selling of indulgences by Johann Tetzel, a Dominican priest. Luther’s charges also directly challenged the position of the clergy in regard to individual salvation. Before long, Luther’s 95 Theses of Contention had been copied and published all over Europe.
      Here I Stand

      Luther’s Protestant views were condemned as heretical by Pope Leo X in the bull Exsurge Domine in 1520. Consequently Luther was summoned to either renounce or reaffirm them at the Diet of Worms on 17 April 1521. When he appeared before the assembly, Johann von Eck, by then assistant to the Archbishop of Trier, acted as spokesman for Emperor Charles the Fifth. He presented Luther with a table filled with copies of his writings. Eck asked Luther if he still believed what these works taught. He requested time to think about his answer. Granted an extension, Luther prayed, consulted with friends and mediators and presented himself before the Diet the next day.

      When the counselor put the same question to Luther the next day, the reformer apologized for the harsh tone of many of his writings, but said that he could not reject the majority of them or the teachings in them. Luther respectfully but boldly stated, “Unless I am convinced by proofs from Scriptures or by plain and clear reasons and arguments, I can and will not retract, for it is neither safe nor wise to do anything against conscience. Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me. Amen.”

      On May 25, the Emperor issued his Edict of Worms, declaring Martin Luther an outlaw.
      Luther in Exile at the Wartburg Castle

      Luther had powerful friends among the princes of Germany, one of whom was his own prince, Frederick the Wise, Elector of Saxony. The prince arranged for Luther to be seized on his way from the Diet by a company of masked horsemen, who carried him to the castle of the Wartburg, where he was kept about a year. He grew a wide flaring beard; took on the garb of a knight and assumed the pseudonym Jörg. During this period of forced sojourn in the world, Luther was still hard at work upon his celebrated translation of the Bible, though he couldn’t rely on the isolation of a monastery. During his translation, Luther would make forays into the nearby towns and markets to listen to people speak, so that he could put his translation of the Bible into the language of the people.

      . Luther strongly disputed their claim that freedom from God’s punishment of sin could be purchased with money. His refusal to retract all of his writings at the demand of Pope Leo X in 1520 and the Holy Roman Emperor Charles V at the Edict of Worms meeting in 1521 resulted in his excommunication by the pope and condemnation as an outlaw by the emperor.

      Luther taught that salvation is not from good works, but a free gift of God, received only by grace through faith in Jesus as redeemer from sin. His theology challenged the authority of the pope of the Roman Catholic Church by teaching that the Bible is the only source of divinely revealed knowledge[2] and opposed sacerdotalism by considering all baptised Christians to be a holy priesthood.[3] Those that identify with Luther’s teachings are called Lutherans.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther

      Jesus explains “Priesthood” in the book of Hebrews…He explains that we are not to draw near to Priests to get close to God..but to draw near to Him the eternal High Priest, the ultimate, spotless and blameless one to draw nigh unto God…..
      Therefore, his coming abolished that we not need a Priest nor should we call any man “Father”…for our High Priest is Jesus and our Father is God in Heaven. He came to dispell man made religions…before they even existed ….in the book of Hebrews, he addresses what religion’s such as the Mormons and the Catholic’s, the Rabbi’s continue in …they say that their men are priests from the order of Arron or Melchizedek etc.
      NO Wrong…they can not be above what Jesus Christ is, to people….nor should they teach that to the children….NO MAN can take the place of Jesus…..and who he is. Or they have sinned against God….
      4.2.4. Hebrews 7:20-28
      True believers follow the what Christ said….and do not belong to false churches or doctrines of devils…

      “The Truth” sets you free from man-made religions, and from Devil made religions……
      20 And inasmuch as it was not without an oath 21 (for they indeed became priests without an oath, but he with an oath through the one who said to him, “Yahweh has sworn and will not change his mind, ‘You are a priest forever’.” 22 so much the more also Jesus has become the guarantor of a better covenant. 23 The former priests, on the one hand, existed in greater numbers because they were prevented by death from continuing, 24 but Jesus, on the other hand, because he continues forever, holds his priesthood permanently. 25 Therefore he is able also to save forever those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them. 26 For it was fitting for us to have such a High Priest, holy, blameless, undefiled, separated from sinners and exalted above the heavens; 27 who does not need daily, like those High Priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for his own sins and then for the sins of the people, because this He did once for all when he offered up himself. 28 For the Law appoints men as High Priests who are weak, but the word of the oath, which came after the Law, appoints a Son, made perfect forever.
      http://www.abu.nb.ca/Courses/NTIntro/Melch8.htm

      • sean says:

        One of my English professors was a Lutheran. I wrote a ten page paper on the plagiarism that takes place between different religions. He didn’t like that too much, Lutherans believe every word in the bible to be true.

        Scholars such as Martin Hengel, Barry Powell, and Peter Wick, among others, argue that Dionysian religion and Christianity have significant parallels.[32][33][34] They point to the symbolism of wine and the importance it held in the mythology surrounding both Dionysus and Jesus;[35][36] though, Peter Wick argues that the use of wine symbolism in the Gospel of John, including the story of the Marriage at Cana at which Jesus turns water into wine, was intended to show Jesus as superior to Dionysus.[34] Additionally, both Dionysus and Jesus are argued to represent the dying-god[14][37] mythological archetype, and share numerous characteristics common to Osiris-Dionysus deities worshipped around the Mediterranean, most notably being male, partly-human, and born of virgins; among other similarities.[37] Other elements, such as the celebration by a ritual meal of bread and wine, also have parallels.[33][37] Powell, in particular argues precursors to the Christian notion of transubstantiation can be found in Dionysian religion.[33]
        Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy argue in their book, The Jesus Mysteries, that Christianity originated as a Judaized version of the pagan mystery religions; such as the cult of Dionysus. Hellenized Jews—and later early Christians—then wrote a version of the godman myth incorporating Jewish elements with initiates then learning the myth and its allegorical meanings.

        • sean says:

          In the Babylonian Epic of Gilgamesh, toward the end of the He who saw the deep version by Sin-liqe-unninni, there are references to the great flood (tablet 11). This was a late addition to the Gilgamesh cycle, largely paraphrased or copied verbatim from the Epic of Atrahasis (see above).
          The hero Gilgamesh, seeking immortality, searches out Utnapishtim in Dilmun, a kind of paradise on earth. Utnapishtim tells how Ea (equivalent of the Sumerian Enki) warned him of the gods’ plan to destroy all life through a great flood and instructed him to build a vessel in which he could save his family, his friends, and his wealth and cattle. After the Deluge the gods repented their action and made Utnapishtim immortal.

          The Quran tells a similar story to the Judeo-Christian Genesis flood story, the major differences being only Noah and few believers from the laity enter the ark. Noah’s son (one of four) and his wife refused to enter the ark thinking they will manage the flood by himself. The Quranic ark comes to rest on Mount Judi, traditionally identified with a mountain near Mosul in modern Iraq; the name appears to derive from the local name of the Kurdish people, although this is not certain.

          Shujing, or “Book of History”, probably written around 500 BCE or earlier, states in the opening chapters that Emperor Yao is facing the problem of flood waters that “reach to the Heavens”. This is the backdrop for the intervention of the famous Da Yu, who succeeded in controlling the floods. He went on to found the first Chinese dynasty.[7] The translator of the 1904 edition dated the Chinese deluge to 2348 BCE, calculating that this was the same year as the biblical flood[8]. In fact, the Mideast flood legend (including the biblical flood) was erroneously linked to a flood mentioned in the Sumerian king list, which was actually dated to 2900 BCE.

          Shanhaijing, “Classic of the Mountain & Seas”, ends with the Chinese ruler Da Yu spending ten years to control a deluge whose “floodwaters overflowed [to] heaven”.[9]
          Chuci, Liezi, Huainanzi, Shuowen Jiezi, Siku Quanshu, Songsi Dashu, and others, as well as many folk legends, all contain references to a woman named Nüwa. Nüwa repairs the broken heavens after a great flood or calamity, and repopulates the world with people. There are many versions of this legend.[10]

          And there were stories about the great flood from; Andaman Islands, Indonesia, Australia, New Zealand, Malaysia, Germanic, Greek, Ogyges, Deucalion, Dardanus,From The Theogony of Apollodorus, Irish, Finnish, Aztec, Caddo, Hopi, Inca, Maya, Mapuche, Menominee, Mi’kmaq, Polynesian

        • Janice says:

          Well Sean….
          I bet many babies have been born of Virgins, and sperm worked its way in.
          it is written …..Mary never laid with Joseph…
          The point being Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit and was 100% man and 100% God. However, your statements above in your history books which I had never heard of those stories before….
          It may have been why some did not believe that Jesus was the only begotten Son of God…
          If many in those days,sought out….wanted a virgin….
          However, even when Jesus was a baby..many sought to touch him because they got healed…its in the Dead Sea Scrolls…
          which depicts his childhood….the King James did not include that part in the their writings and many ministers believe that his ministry did not start until the last three years of his life…but I just think its because it wasn’t added and they do not like to believe anything if it isn’t contained in the New and Old Testaments & Revelations…

          The point being however, is every nation has some form of belief in God….and in the past 40 years the ACLU got hold of this nation and has lobbied congress to stop the Christian faith from being well thought of in the USA…..
          instead Humanist’s , New Age and Atheist’s are bringing forth Christian persecution in a nation that was founded on Godly principles…even our laws, lawyers, judges and courts abided by the Ten Commandments….

          There was a time in my life where I knew nothing about what the bible says….and went to a church….! obviously, not taught…
          I had a sense in me though that I couldn’t explain that there was a God and I used to call out to him but never found him until a hospitalized fasting and praying young minister showed me the scripture….John chapter 3…..it popped off the page and I asked for forgiveness and asked Jesus into my heart….and He changed my life from then on out…and he gave me much spiritual understanding that I had never knew existed before…..and it has never left me….

          Have you ever heard of Hugh Ross….here is a short excerpt from his Bio…I like what he says about the dimensions….
          Humans are 3 dimension, when we accept Christ we become 4 dimensions and God is wat up there about 20 some dimensions..more info.its in his books…
          Hugh Ross’ Testimony — My Search for Truth

          HUGH ROSS launched his career at age seven when he went to the library to find out why stars are hot. Physics and astronomy captured his curiosity and never let go. At age seventeen he was the youngest person ever to serve as director of observations for Vancouver’s Royal Astronomical Society. With the help of a provincial scholarship and a National Research Council (NRC) of Canada fellowship, he completed his undergraduate degree in physics (University of British Columbia) and graduate degrees in astronomy (University of Toronto). The NRC also sent him to the United States for postdoctoral studies. At Caltech he researched quasi-stellar objects, or “quasars,” some of the most distant and ancient objects in the universe.

          Not all of Hugh’s discoveries involved astrophysics. Prompted by curiosity, he studied the world’s religions and “holy books” and found only one that proved scientifically and historically accurate: the Bible. Hugh started at religious “ground zero” and through scientific and historical reality-testing became convinced that the Bible is truly the Word of God! He then observed, with amazement, the impact of describing for people the process by which he came to personal faith in Jesus Christ. Imagine Hugh’s surprise to discover how many individuals believed or disbelieved without checking evidence.

          Hugh’s unshakable confidence that God’s revelation in Scripture and nature do not, will not, and cannot contradict became his unique message. Communicating that message as broadly and clearly as possible became his mission, wholeheartedly encouraged by family and friends. He and his colleagues at Reasons To Believe keep tabs on the frontiers of research to share with scientists and nonscientists alike the thrilling news of what’s being discovered and how it connects with biblical theology. In this realm, he has written many books, including: The Fingerprint of God, The Creator and the Cosmos, Beyond the Cosmos, The Genesis Question, A Matter of Days, Creation As Science, and Why the Universe Is the Way It Is, due to be released October 1, 2008.

          Between writing books and articles and hosting Creation Update, a weekly live webcast, Hugh travels the world challenging students and faculty, churches and professional groups to consider what they believe and why. He presents a persuasive case for Christianity without applying pressure. Because he treats people’s questions and comments with respect, he is in great demand as a speaker and as a talk-radio and television guest.

          Hugh lives in Southern California with his wife, Kathy, and two sons—and two cats.
          http://www.reasons.org/dr-hugh-ross.html

          Updated 07-11-2006

          Time From Creation Event

          Event
          0 moment of creation (some kind of singularity)
          0 to 10-43 seconds release of space curvature
          10-43 seconds loss of dimensions
          10-43 seconds superforce separates into gravity and the strong electroweak force
          10-35 seconds strong electroweak separates into the strong and electroweak forces
          10-35 seconds photons and leptons appear
          10-11 seconds electroweak force separates into the weak and electromagnetic forces
          10-10 seconds quarks appear
          10-5 to 10-4 seconds baryons and anti-baryons appear
          0.001 seconds annihilation of anti-matter occurs
          3 minutes nuclei appear
          300,000 years atoms appear; light separates from darkness (outer space becomes black)
          365 million years first stars form
          500 million years first galaxies appear
          2 billion years all manner of quasars and galaxies appear
          9 billion years solar system appears
          10 billion years life created on Earth
          13 billion years creation of dozens of new phyla (Cambrian explosion)
          13.5 billion years creation of dinosaurs
          13.73 billion years creation of man
          13.73 billion years the present

          • sean says:

            Ya, there are actually places in space with 11 dimensions. There are some things physics canno’t explain.

            Like everyone used to think that the universe is expanding in all directions, which came from Einstein’s theory on relativity. Everyone thought that this proved the big bang theory to be correct. But recently scientist have discovered that the universe isn’t actually expanding, it’s all moving in one direction. This defies all laws of science and is totally unexplained..

            I’ve also heard that scientists can account for 99.978..% of all the elements in our body, but that extra .132% is unknown. Some people call that the soul.

          • Janice says:

            Your right Sean!
            Einstein in with his mathematical mind proved mathematically..infinity and that there was a beginning….
            Hugh Ross in studying the Universe and saw the many dimensions out there…sparked him to know the Truth about God….he tells that in his book..Reasons to Believe.
            He tries to explain that to the intellectuals of our society, because it is harder sometimes with the sciences they study now days to believe in a God….Of course, he is a creationist’s but as you can see even us know that all things were created over millions of years..This universe has been around probably billions of years now. And so has time…..but I think its neat that Hugh Ross has a logical way and provable way …..to prove the Bible as true…

            Have a good night and journey through life Sean…..

    • Janice says:

      Yep that’s true……

  23. christine says:

    Ensign is outspoken against much of the debate purposed by the democrats.
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125452653140760781.html

    Frequently the government uses a tactic to discredit a credible opponent to what the government is trying to achieve, a way to try to silence them. Listen to the opponent instead.

    The government often uses sex scandles to reduce the opponents popularity, such as what is happening with Ensign.

    John Perkins Economic Hit Man
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ribF3Y6Icl8&feature=related

    How To Destabalize Countries Legally .Economic Hitman 1-5
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6WstddMJZQ&feature=related

    Sibel Edwards Deposition – the drug corruption in our governemnt, that leads to legal and illegal drug problems in our society, our sick care system
    http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7374

    • sean says:

      The problem lies with the government of these countries. The world bank doesn’t force governments to take loans. Nobody forces anybody to borrow money. Thats just stupid..

      • Janice says:

        Well it is stupid isn’t it Sean!
        But Benacke and the Federal Reserve is making all banks , forcing them to go on the plan he has proposed ….to confiscate or hold all American dollars in their Central banks and not loan it out….and he took the Wall Street derivative debacle and confiscated millions of semi wealthy peoples 401K’s who had them in the stock market e.g annuities, mutual funds,and paid all of the investors in American dollars…..for Wall Streets housing bubble……apparently, Benacke felt stocks were just a temporary investment for the American people, and they lost their loan, with interest(stock investment) they gave to Wall Street,and lost their retirement to Citi Bank, AIG, Lehman Bros,Goldman Sachs, Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac….and the government gave them most of their profits to the CEO’s of those companies, and banks…..it was a transfer of wealth if you ask me and our government created it, for that purpose….
        so Sean study and show yourself approved….you probably, have alot of student loans you will have to pay back and try doing it without a job, after you graduate! Because,some of the World’s population is being given jobs over the us citizens for the past 10 years…..Good Luck

        • sean says:

          The federal reserve doesn’t force us to take a loan, but they are loaning money out.

          You have such backwards thinking! The fed propped up wall street because our 401k’s were about to collapse and we were going to lose all of our retirement funds. You do know that all those banks you just mentioned use our 401k’s to fund their businesses? Thats not Bernanke’s plan, that’s the free market way of doing business. Those banks almost ruined our country so the government and the fed took extraordinary leaps to save our money. That money was supposed to be insured, but the investment insurance companies failed as well! Thats what AIG is… AIG would not be able to pay back all of our 401k’s. They became bankrupt trying to do just that.

          I don’t have any student loans, I have scholarships.. I’m not going to spend my life throwing temper tantrums at society because I didn’t get an education, and a good job.

          • sean says:

            Well he does mention that the shadow banking system borrows money from our pension fund, but there is another video that explains how all of that happens and how insurance companies back it up… Since the insurance companies failed, nobody would be there to back up our retirement funds. We would lose all of our money.

          • christine says:

            Do you honestly think the banks and wall street corps that failed operated freely?

            It is more believable that the big corps, the government, the FED colluded together to create this mess knowingly with this as their economic plan agenda. There are plenty at the top who are gaining financially. The only ones hurting are us, dear, and somehow they have turned this into a “we owe them” when we had nothing to do with the agenda. The creation of another revenue stream.

          • sean says:

            hahaha! yes the banks that failed were “deregulated.” There was no government involvement whatsoever. There is no question of this

          • christine says:

            Sorry, you’re wrong. The FED has a lot to do with the banking industry. The banks were pressured into providing loans that would fail.

          • sean says:

            No. The fed, actually the government pressured depository banks to lend sub prime mortgages. All the banks that failed were investment firms, not depository banks. There was no fed supervision in the shadow banking system.

            The depository banks that failed got no government assistance afterwards, they were bought out by other banks (WaMu). Where the government did intervene was in the banks that they were not involved in to begin with.

          • christine says:

            …and so the sub prime mortgages get bundled into CDOs, and off to the investment firms they go….the government, the banks, the investment corps on wall street, and the FED all work together and all benefit….off us. The FED controls interest rates to cause malinvestments. Each has apart in the Shakespearn play. The politicians step in as the saviors. With the design of the U.S. political system with republican and democrats, the switch of the presidents in the midst…the new president can claim he inherited the mess so we no longer have the person in front of us to be angry with…yet we really do because the party and elections are all fraudlent parts of the shadow government who are always on track, always operating according to their agenda no matter who is in office.

          • Herewe Goagain says:

            The Real Reason the Giant, Insolvent Banks Aren’t Being Broken Up
            http://www.georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2009/10/real-reason-giant-insolvent-banks-arent.html

      • christine says:

        No, they just manipulate them into position so they can control them and put them into debt producing yet another revenue stream, but alas not the increased happiness and welfare of the people.

        (Jamaica) IMF decimating one country after another
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoIJPwfsbqg&feature=related

        Life and Debt (trailer)
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db-tBG_F64E&feature=related

        What I suspect about Iraq and whenever the US goes to war with a country to set up a democracy (note, not a republic)
        1. destablize economically
        2. steal their wealth
        3. offer money via loans to rebuild, to start them off on the “right” foot…in debt. ha!
        4. elections that are no better than what we have here in the U.S. – miscounted, tampered machines, previously appointed favored and heavily publicized candidates chosen by the backers of the democracy like our elite FED.

        The spread of a disease!

        • sean says:

          That makes no sense. Nobody manipulates anyone to borrow money. Did the fed manipulated you to take a loan? Or did you take a loan on your own free will to purchase a home? (if you have a home)

          • christine says:

            This is exactly what the U.S. does when they go into a country to war under false pretenses. They demo and cripple the country financially. They operate with an agenda you and I are not privy to with objectives we would totally disagree with. Their aim is to spread democracy not establish independent republics. If there exists a republic, it will be a target of their plan. Why do you think our own republic is disappearing? ..and why our government seeks ways to heap debt upon us who are innocent of the wrongdoing? That is the backwards thinking!! Those who commit the crimes should pay, not the innocent.

        • christine says:

          Perhaps their aim is to have us go to the IMF to request funds so we can be in further debt up to our eyeballs. Let’s see…the government ought to publish a book on “1,001 Ways to Put Good People Into Debt”. That would sell and they would have yet another revenue stream to do their damage with. You know, it has taken the government a long time to come out with a program that actually WORKS and is FOR THE PEOPLE. But it took them less than 10 days to pay off the too big to fail companies with direct cash to party, give big bonuses and erase all debt. Say, I’d like to be the beneficiary of such a program, as every other American, and have the too big too fail companies provide the funds immediately.

          • sean says:

            If you have a retirement fund, you did benefit from the bailout.. I don’t know why you insist that everyone is out to get us. I’m not the type of person who wears an aluminum foil hat. I think the government tries to help but often does more harm than good.. I don’t think the government is trying to fix health care to make us less healthy, lets put it that way.

  24. christine says:

    It’s a corrupt government that (1) makes people sick via food, air and water (2) is of a corporate mentality itself (3) constantly seeks to expand government with ever increasing revenue streams from various industries (as if the FED/IRS duo were not enough — banking, insurance, car sales, home mortgages, healthcare, education loans (4)produces insolvent programs, programs that fail as their resume of running benefit programs, ponsi schemes, collecting money from Americans repeatedly, receiving no beneifts from years of paycheck deductions/premiums (5)billions maybe trillions overall in fraud, can’t account for the losses of our money for our benefits (6) the fact that politicians have a separate health care system (7) a government that seeks to make money off sick people (8) with a drug pusher of contaminated vaccines in the white house (9) buddies with former government employees like Rumsfeld who are invested in drug companies (9) perpetuate the illegal and legal drug mentality of it’s people instead of real health (10) take over farms discrouaging organic gardening (11) discourage the use of “alternative” health practicioners, labeling them as such even though they are more close to original, as is organic, than the sick care system full of chemical dependency that is not natural to the body, causing side effects(12) discourages with a strong arm free speech when folks/businesses disagree with what the government is doing, especially when these folks are telling the truth…..

    Mandatory premium payments when the citizen pays the premium but has no money left over in their paycheck to pay for the extra the insurance does not cover, so never goes to the doctor, does not benefit from the premium payments whatsoever!! THINK. To pay a mandatory premium does not equate to improved health, does not equate to the ability to seek medical services. You have to listen for the subtle conclusions these politicians/lawyers use when they are talking in the debates. They use lies/unfounded conclusions to persuade.

    None of what they are doing will help small businesses to help the economy recover. None of what will do what they say it will. It will do exactly the opposite. Just review the history of this administration. Stop it, or get used to it.

    I never thought I would see the day a sick person could be put in jail and fined for not making a health care premium payment. This financial pressure alone in a down economy is enough stress to cause illness (the government is responsible for…and will be down while they push their agenda during a time we are most vulnerable and open to the government providing ANY BAD solution, the psychological use of a rececession/depression).

    If the government controls every industry, what is left for the people? will this be the final piece that gives our republic a total 180 in who is serving who, the democracy/corporatocracy by mob rule backed by the military for military rule?

    • sean says:

      than do something about it. Ron paul isn’t trying to inspire us so we will sit on his web page and write the occasional congressman. He’s trying to inspire the next generation of government. If your not going to get involved, than don’t complain at the next person who doesn’t.

      • sean says:

        After i graduate, I was thinking about getting a scholarship to get a degree in political science. I was always taught to get a degree in some sort of trade, and then pursue your dreams, so you will always have something to fall back on.

        That would be nice to have a masters degree in political science.

    • christine says:

      We will see the economy recover, if it does at all, ONLY AFTER this administration is done pushing their adenda, to get the most and full use out of the psychological effects of a depression/recession to more easily push what they will later tout as their “accomplishments”, but to our detriment. The corporations, government and FED work together to create this climate, recession, depression on purpose, for their purpose and benefit, not ours. This is the time when this collective group performs the wealth heists, the robbery of the American people.

      Are you as tired of this way of unsettled and unfair living, supporting “professional” suit-wearing robbers as I am? They create the drama then come touting as a savior like a Shakespearean plan. And we buy this sh.t. Start calling and seeing things are they really are. We need more brave folks that shout out “That’s a lie!”

    • christine says:

      and…they are now talking about a not-for-profit health care plan. Let’s see… will the expanded government by 31+ agencies all work for free then?

      Your premiums paid would be as a tax to pay for their salaries. Salaries are paid out of company/corporate profits. That is the truth of the matter. Some heads of insurance companies now get 6 figure incomes, one reported $728,000 a year.

      Let me repeat… Lawyers and most politicians use unfounded conclusions to persuade. This not-for-profit claim is an outright use of this method to deceive. It is up to you to detect it each and every time they use it if you hope to know the real truth of any matter.

      • sean says:

        Hahahaha! People who work in non profit organizations get paid money. THE BUSINESS doesn’t make a profit. Non-profit organizations are not voluntary. A co-op is ran by the people, not the government.

        I dunno anything about the 31 government agencies you speak of, but there isn’t going to be government agencies in the insurance business.

        • sean says:

          Ron Paul has said that a co-op is okay as long as it’s private and as long as it is not mandated, I agree… We probably will get mandated insurance though. :(

          It’s the mandate that we have to worry about, not the co-op.

        • christine says:

          Sean, haven’t you seen the outlay of the numerous agencies that would create this monster of the health insurance exchange?

          Just think…ALL those government employee paychecks who would then get the government employee health benfits, not the ones they would be pushing onto the rest of us.

          I know it’s Glenn Beck and it’s Fox…but see the chart of agencies that would be created.
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8irLivzSyNc&feature=related

          Exactly my point about the not-for-profit. It is a little deceptive to say not-for-profit because they have to do this at above cost to pay government employees. Just how much above cost will it be? How many more government employees will our personal paychecks support?

          • sean says:

            You have no idea what you are talking about. This video was made 3 months ago before they changed it to a co-op. There is no government employees in a co-op. I’m sorry you don’t understand what the hell a co-op is.

          • christine says:

            More and more the government is moving away from taxes to fund their little and big projects. They are looking for revenue streams with a profit. We have no sayso after these streams are established, especially the healthcare exchange. Once establish, after they have destroyed medical practices and alternate options…what then if we are unhappy with the government-controlled system?

            Practicing a healthy lifestyle. Live on a hill with wind and solar power and a water well for your source of clean uncontaminated water. Learn hydroponics and plant your own crops, can and freeze food. Plant fruit trees. Bake your own bread, raise chickens and geese, go fishing if you can find mercury free waters. Buy non-GMO seeds now. Gather seeds from previous crops for the next year.

          • christine says:

            They have not settled on any plan and if you think that a government-controlled health exchange will not involve more government employees to run and manage it…think again. The IRS alone will be more deeply involved in enforcement of any new plan that is passed. Increase in IRS staff has already been talked about. Increase in enforcement will also be involved, our judicial system for fines and pentalities, jails.

          • sean says:

            Actually they are voting on the health plan next week in the finance committee without the government option.. 4 people tried to tie on amendments with a public option but the senate finance committee denied them.

            The point is, its going to be a CO-OP, a COOPERATIVE. NO GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES. Yes, the IRS is going to be involved because they are going to help pay for people who can’t afford it, but NO the CO-OP it is not going to be ran by the government. A co-op is not a co-op if it is ran by the government, that is contradictory to its definition.

            Maybe if you weren’t watching so many bias news channels than you would know all of this.

          • christine says:

            I regularly watch c-span and the healthcare hearings. Watched the entire painful process.

            To say the government will not be involved in a co-op and also say the IRS will be involved makes your statement a lie.

            It is my understanding there are serveral healthcare plans that will be hitting the floor for debate. May none of them pass.

          • sean says:

            Ya i watch cspan every day. This new legislation was purposed about two weeks ago, obviously you haven’t been keeping up with it. I watched senator baucus announce his plan live, when it happened..

            There is only one bill that the senate finance committee is working on..

            http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2009882076_healthcare17.html

            http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/08/19/health.care.coop/

    • Janice says:

      Christine,

      Don’t forget the confiscation of all seeds in a vault in Iceland, done by Monsanto and then the GMO seeds altered by Monsanto , funded and approved by all Governments. In my opinion,to again cause illness and death of the poor and ignorant, of the world from eating the harvests from GMO seeds…..
      They have them preserved in the vault for their survival after they get done with the depopulation and can live free of the burden of the poor……
      The Elites are able to afford Whole Organic Foods…from non GMO seeds…
      80% of the World population earns less than $10 a day…
      and that is growing with the massive unemployment in the USA.

      The farms in the USA have all been confiscated by the Wealthy Elites and are being paid by the USA gov to not be farmed….

      When this was happening in our country about 15 -20 years ago and all of the “Eminent Domain’s” were done by the state governments. They were ridding the farmers of their farms and lively hood…the farmers and the average person had no idea in those days why and what was going on then….
      But if you remember the reports on the news…many farmers were committing suicide and crying on TV, about what was being done to them….We the people should have run to their rescue and fought with them about this….but we weren’t being affected and we were not as savvy about the Secret Gov as we are now.

      The government does not want our country growing its own food supply for our USA Republic…..my conclusions must be that,they want us to starve,to eat GMO food products, or they want us to eat foods grown in other countries that are loaded with fungicides and pesticides and DDT……more poisoning of our bodies……
      Pharma….is massively giving toxic fluoride in toxic dose for the treatment of osteoporosis, bacterial infection, tranquilizers, and drinking water!

      The Truth is the Truth…..no matter how any politician tries to rationalize it away…..

      Avoidance is all that is left for our welfare and life….
      Who in their right mind after knowing the Truth would continue to contribute, or submit to a LIE…..

      • christine says:

        Ironic isn’t it that Mrs. Obama plants her little veggie garden at the white house while all this is going on against the most of the population. It is true that what we eat affects our behavior, so you can just imagine what will happen to behavioral problems when people lack proper nutrition, when the only option is food with harmful chemicals. Not only mental/emotional behavior, but physical illnesses will explode.

        I keep going back to the whole idea of money and how it corrupts an otherwise good-hearted people into thinking they must produce something, needed or not, that wastes resources and an endless cycle of waste and dumps. Few stop to go back far enough to the source of the problems we face, even while trying to do something as honorable as preserving and honoring the earth and its people.

        By nature we are creative people designed to be free to allow the creativity to help ourselves. When few people at the financial top have ultimate control over all others, it diminishes and extinguishes the light in all others. If their objective is to have ultimate control over everyone and everything, then what? What do they have? a bunch of non-thinking robots.

        • sean says:

          Only you would find it ironic if somebody grows a garden. Why don’t you grow your own garden so you wont have to eat food that comes from mass production. That is something that has come from society, not the government. There is nobody forcing you to eat their food, just grow your own.

        • Janice says:

          Did you ever take the college course on World History?
          Remember the “Dark Ages”, where the people were surpressed by the “Feudal System”, and Creativity and Inventions were at a stand still….for a century!
          My instructor blamed it on the government oppressing the people into poverty and that is what happens to the human mind and innovation and motivation……
          Freedom of thought and freedom to own property brings, jobs verses slavery, brings hope and frees the mind for creativity and entrepreneurship and inventions…….
          When Queen Isabella freed Napoleon to go and discover America….that then freed also the people to get out from under the Kings and Queens of their countries. They were then a very oppressed people , can you imagine the freedom they must have felt to sail across that ocean to a country that they could call theirs ,that would set them free from government domination! Many were nearly starved to death, were the poor and rejected who came here and rish their lives to do it too…
          But look how our country took off with those who sought freedom ……..we advanced to the utmost, more than any European or Asian or Spanish or African country ever had done….and those races who moved her from the powers of their oppressed countries….they were Set FREE too…..
          That is what we need to be fighting for is our FREEDOM…..we need to fight just as hard as they did in the Civil War…..because the powers that are in power now want to take us back to a Empire Domination and that will destroy us……

          • sean says:

            Your instructor is wrong. There was no government during the dark ages, the emperor died and the government collapsed which helped cause the dark ages.. The barbarians cut off trade between nations making people starve. There was no government to protect the people… Then the bubonic plague killed off everyone.

            People didn’t come to America for hundreds of years later after dark ages when the catholic church took over.

          • Janice says:

            Sean how old are you? And how old am I and don’t you realize the USA government is re-writing our history and putting it in Your age group text books for God’s sake…You have been so brainwashed you have no idea what the truth is…..because you have been reading re-written crap that they want you to believe ….
            http://www.allabouthistory.org/the-dark-ages.htm
            The Dark Ages – The State of the Church
            The Dark Ages was a period of religious struggle. Protestants and Catholics viewed the era from opposing perspectives. Protestants regarded this time as a period of Catholic corruption; they repudiated the ways of the Catholic Church with its papal doctrines and hierarchy. Protestants strove to recreate a pure Christianity, void of these “dark” Catholic ways. Catholics did not view this era as “dark.” Catholics viewed this period as a harmonious, productive religious era. The Dark Ages were also the years of vast Muslim conquests. Along with other nomads and horse and camel warriors, the Muslims rode through the fallen empire, wreaking havoc and seeding intellectual and social heresy in their wake. Muslim conquests prevailed until the time of the Crusades. This age old conflict between Christianity and Islam remains until this day.

            The Dark Ages – Faith vs. Enlightenment
            The Dark Ages were a tumultuous time. Roving horse-bound invaders charged the country sides. Religious conflicts arose; Muslims conquered lands. Scarcity of sound literature and cultural achievements marked these years; barbarous practices prevailed.

            Despite the religious conflicts, the period of the Dark Ages was seen as an age of faith. Men and women sought after God; some through the staid rituals of the Catholic Church, others in Protestant forms of worship. Intellectuals view religion in any form as, itself, a type of “darkness.” These thinkers assert that those who followed religious beliefs lied to themselves, creating a false reality. They were dominated by emotions, not fact. Religion was seen as contrary to rationality and reason, thus the move towards enlightenment — a move away from “darkness.” Science and reason gained ascendancy, progressing steadily during and after the Reformation and Age of Enlightenment.

            To some extent, the period of the Dark Ages remains obscure to modern onlookers. The tumult of the era, its religious conflict and denigration, and debatable time period all work together to shroud the period in diminished light.

            The irony of this is that our 21st Century world is no less dark. It is an individual darkness, which multiplies and grows as those who reject God walk together and dominate politics, education, and society. Our age is characterized by every intellectual and technological advance but our morals have turned backwards. “But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God — having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them” (2 Timothy 3:1-5). These are the characteristics of true darkness.
            Learn More!

            The Crusades
            http://mr_sedivy.tripod.com/med_hist3.html

            The Crusades were wars between Christians and Muslims, fought in Palestine. In 1071, Turkish Muslims captured Jerusalem. The Muslims stopped the Christians from visiting the holy places in Palestine. Naturally, Christian rulers in Europe were very angry about this.

            http://mr_sedivy.tripod.com/med_hist3.html
            The Byzantine emperor in Constantinople asked the Pope to help him drive the Turks from the Holy Land. Peter the Hermit and the Pope started the first Crusade. Cleverly, Pope Urban II said that he would forgive the sins of all people who went and fought in the Holy Land.
            The next paragraph goes on to say it was Christians but it should be noted it was Roman Catholics between the Muslims, not Protestant Christians who believe not in ritural and pomp and circumstance and power……IN those days true followers of Christ were killed , 6, million of us in the streets of rome…if you did not become Roman Catholic you were killed…..So, when any writer does not disquish between what is Christian and what is Catholic this makes me mad…My instructor made the distinction and said the inquisitions were by the Roman Catholics…and many priests left the Roman Catholic church and started the Lurthern Church……and the Greeks started Greek Orthodox church and the country of Greece, England the Anglo-saxon church..
            Norway the Methodist…….
            France and the Asian contries opted out of any God except the Hindu’s and the Budda worshipers…
            But this whole point is …….our World has always had some sort of God that they worshipped….some sort of religious sector allowed in their governments and their countries.or Empires or whatever you want to call them…
            The faith in in God has always been since the beginning ot the first human created on earth……
            The difference’s are in what you worship..and unseen God, like the Hebrews, a man like the Mohammed, the Earth like the Native Americans, the Cows like the Hindu’s, a statue like the Budda or the Virgin Mary or Cross still being hung on the Cross. Or if you worship white or black magic , your president or your government, or what ever you worship you worship….I myself would rather worship TRUTH..if you want to worship a piece of sh.. you can I don’t care…..baut as for me and my house we will serve the Lord.

            Highlands Ranch High School – Mr. Sedivy
            Highlands Ranch, Colorado
            Medieval History

            - The Middle Ages -
            The Roman Catholic Church
            The Crusades and The Inquisition

            Role of the Roman Catholic Church
            During the Middle Ages

            During the fragmented times, the only universal institution was the Church. The Bible was at the center of any learning activity.

            Terms used by the Roman Catholic Church:
            Mass: worship service
            Sacraments: rituals
            Holy Communion: sacrament reminding people that Christ died for them.

            Medieval Stained Glass
            The fish vomits out Jonah upon the dry land.
            Detail of a stained-glass window in Colgne Cathedral. 1280

            Role of the Church in Government
            Often, in the Middle Ages, the churches and governments ruled together. Bishops and Abbots would read and write for kings and often became vassals. Local priests were appointed by local lords, and so were expected to uphold their wishes. Thus, the role of the church and rulers was interconnected.

            The Crusades
            The Crusades were wars between Christians and Muslims, fought in Palestine. In 1071, Turkish Muslims captured Jerusalem. The Muslims stopped the Christians from visiting the holy places in Palestine. Naturally, Christian rulers in Europe were very angry about this.

            The Byzantine emperor in Constantinople asked the Pope to help him drive the Turks from the Holy Land. Peter the Hermit and the Pope started the first Crusade. Cleverly, Pope Urban II said that he would forgive the sins of all people who went and fought in the Holy Land.

            Pope Urban at 1st Crusade
            Pope Urban II preaches the First Crusade at the Council of Clemont in 1095. In order to join the crusade, William I’s eldest son, Robert, pawned Normandy to his brother William II.

            Christians killed thousands of Hungarians – then, for the heck of it, Germans – then Greeks. Christians also killed Jews. (This is the Crusade that was supposed to be a success.) The armies of the first Crusade were successful and took Jerusalem from the Muslims in 1099. The Crusaders set up Christian kingdoms along the coast of Palestine and Syria, and built strong fortresses to defend their new lands.

            Fortress at Sidon, Lebanon
            This fortress at Sidon, Lebanon was built during the Crusades.

            There were seven more Crusades after the first one. Many of them failed because the Crusaders quarreled with each other. The Muslims took back much of the Holy Land. When the Muslims took Jerusalem in 1187, the third Crusade set off from Europe. Richard Lion Heart massacred 3,000 innocent Muslim villagers. When they got to the Holy Land, the Crusaders were defeated by the Muslim general, Saladin.

            3rd Crusade, Richard Lion Heart
            A grim scene of Richard Coeur de Lion massacring his Saracen hostages in the Holy Land. From his balcony, Richard complacently observes the gruesome spectacle. Headless corpses are piled up beneath a platform on which two blindfolded men are about to be beheaded. Others await their turn, while soldiers lead the next victims to the ladder. Click painting for an enlargement.

            During the 4th Crusade, the Christians sacked Constantinople, but during the 5th Crusade, the Crusaders got caught in the flooding Nile and had to go home. The Children’s Crusade took place between the 4th and 5th Crusades. More than 30,000 French and 20,000 German children were sent to the Crusades. French kids got to Alexandria and were sold into slavery. The German kids got across the Alps, got homesick and deserted. Many died.

            Later, the Crusaders forgot that they were fighting for their religion. Knights had good reason to go. Going was a good career move. Hop on a horse, kill a few hundred people, and come home a hero. Times were different. If you died, so what? Also, they got paid, and most knights were broke. In medieval times, the eldest son inherited the family’s wealth, and this left the younger sons in the poorhouse.

            Temple of Solomon
            Construction of the gilded edifce at the ancient Temple of Solomon in Jerusalem.
            (As conceived by French court painter Jean Fouquet in the 15-century,
            its portaled facade bears a striking resemblance to the cathedral of Paris.)

            Many of them went to Palestine hoping to take the land and become rich. the Christians got tired of it and went home, and the Holy Lands reverted back to Muslim control The Crusaders stole their food from local farmers, ran around in mobs, and brought thousands of mistresses and prostitutes with them. By 1291, the Muslims had taken the last remaining Christian city at Acre.

            Map of the Crusades
            A 15th-century map depicting the saintly King Louis IX of France
            on the Seventh and Eighth Crusades. Louis IX stops at various cities in
            his pursuit of the infidel, finally succumbing to plague at Tunis.
            Click the map for an enlargement.

            During the Crusades, European people learned more about the eastern parts of the world. When they returned to Europe, they took back with them many new things including foods, spices, silk, and paper. They learned about medicine, mathematics, and astronomy from the Arabs, and trade between east and west began to grow.

            The Inquisition
            In 1233 a church court, or Inquisition, was set up by Pope Gregory IX to end heresy, or beliefs that the church thought was wrong. It was primarily in response to heresy of the Albigenses, a religious sect of southern France. They were Christian heretics who believed in the coexistence of two ultimate principles, good and evil. They held that matter was evil and that Jesus only seemed to have a body. Over the next 100 years the Inquisition slowly brought the sect to an end.

            People suspected of heresy had one month to confess; those accused came before the Inquisition until they confessed. They were punished by being whipped or sent to prison, but were welcomed back into the Church.

            Salisbury Cathedral
            Salisbury Cathedral in Wiltshire was built in the 1200s.
            It is an example of the Early English Gothic style.
            The spire is the tallest in England, 404 feet (123m).

            Need for Reform

            Tithes, offerings worth 10% of income, were used to build monasteries.

            Monks and bishops became more and more careless about religion.

            Worried nobles founded strict monasteries. One of the most famous was the Benedictine monastery in (Cluny) France.

            The church again became committed to religious ideas.

            German Castle
            Castle in southern Germany

            Gregory VII vs. King Henry IV
            Gregory VII, formerly a Benedictine monk, became a very powerful Pope. He wanted to be above all kings and feudal lords, so he sent out a decree saying so. King Henry IV of Germany resented this and didn’t obey it. After much feuding, they settled their disagreements. The Concordat of Worms in 1122 allowed both the king and Pope choose new bishops. It also increased the Popes power by letting him have final say about high church offices.

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          • sean says:

            Haha, are you trying to educate me? I have a documentary film on the dark ages.

            Actually, the dark ages happened years before the catholic church.. The catholic church helped people get out of the dark ages. After hundreds of years of death, people turned into nomads. Nobody knew how to read or write except for monks. Thats why people started going to church’s to be educated. This is when Christianity started to flourish.

            What we are going through now does not compare whatsoever to the dark ages. The enlighten period and the middle ages came afterwards. Everything you just mentioned really had nothing to do with the dark ages. You should watch this dvd.

            http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Ages-History-Channel/dp/B000NO2416/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1254706782&sr=8-1

            I’m 24 and I did take a class specifically for the medieval times. We learned about all the things that happened afterwards like the reformation period and the rennaisance, but the dark ages came before all of that. I read the book, “the prince” which was written by niccolo marcello, who created the florentine republic. It’s a very interesting book about forms of government during that time. I’m reading a book now on the roman empire for a speech i’m going to do. I also took a class on ancient literature, so trust me, I know plenty about world history.

          • sean says:

            At its height in the second century A.D., the Roman Empire was the beacon of learning, trade, power and prosperity in the western world. But the once-powerful Rome–rotten to the core by the fifth century–lay open to barbarian warriors who came in wave after wave of invasion, slaughtering, stealing, and ultimately, settling. As chaos replaced culture, Europe was beset by famine, plague, persecutions, and a state of war that was so persistent it was only rarely interrupted by peace. THE DARK AGES profiles those who battled to shape the future, from the warlords whose armies threatened to case the demise of European society, like Alaric, Charles the Hammer, and Clovis; to the men and women who valiantly tended the flames of justice, knowledge, and innovation including Charlemagne, St. Benedict, Empress Theodora, and other brave souls who fought for peace and enlightenment. It was in the shadows of this turbulent millennium that the seeds of modern civilization were sown.

            Pretty much everything you were talking about happened hundreds of years later. The crusades happened about 500 years after the dark ages..

          • sean says:

            Here’s the documentary i have. You can watch it online..

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpHMPzk6uI4

          • Lindsey says:

            Janice: Protestants didn’t exist until the early to mid 1500’s when the great Martin Luther stood up to the Catholic Church. “Here I stand, I can do no other”. Salvation through faith only!!!!!!!!! Get your facts straight!

  25. sean says:

    Health insurance companies make a profit of a trillion dollars a year. That has a huge effect on our economy as a whole. All that money goes into wall street. It does put money to our retirement funds and helps provide jobs, but at two HUGE costs.

    1. It takes money out of our banking system. That’s money that could of been lent out instead borrowed from the government.

    2. While it does increase jobs, it increases the gap between small businesses and corporations.
    a. The jobs flow into the direction of retail, reducing overall pay and benifits to the average working households.
    b. Goods become cheaper for major corporations making it hard for the little guys to compete.
    c. The only way to reverse this process is through government intervention.

    • sean says:

      haha, that c was supposed to be a 3… It should be our number one concern! Big corporations stifle an economy which leads to socialism before communism. Corporatism cannot last forever, the government feels obligated to step up and take on extra responsibilities. Karl Marx predicted this years ago.

      You can thank free trade and tax cuts for this. A tax cut for the rich does no good unless there is an equally benifited tax cut for the rest of American’s. Big corporations already have an advantage over the people. Lowering their taxes only gives them a greater advantage.

      • sean says:

        Free trade doesn’t help the consumer any at all.!! We are led to believe that businesses pass on their savings to customers but that is far from the truth. Customers would only exist if the price was right. Businesses would lower their price to consumer preference whether or not they were taxed. Free trade is a far heavier advantage to corporatism and takes a great deal of power away from the people.. I dunno about any of you, but I know I don’t have the power to exploit the people of China and America..

        • Lindsey says:

          Sean: Section C of your post is true. We need to enforce our anti-trust laws in this country. It is a shame that our courts have neglected this enforcement. However, with that enforcement, a free-trade economy is the best way to go. Tariffs of foreign imports look like something we are going to have to do to help re-establish our industrial base in this country. Don’t you agree?

          • sean says:

            I do agree to a certain point, but I’m really not sure if we can grow our industrial base like it was. We lost 60% of manufacturing investments in under a decade, which took a hundred years to build up.

            I believe we should enforce anti-trust laws though to save whatever industries we have left. I think slowly we could start to rebuild the foundation of our economy. We really need to stop importing oil. We need to revolutionize the car industry in order to get a footing on sustainable growth. We need to exploit our own resources to other countries as well. That is the whole concept of trade. Trade holds no value if you give people paper money for actual goods, instead of trading goods for goods.

            The fed has been exporting money recently so people will buy goods from us. I’m not sure how much the government subsidizes exporters but I know it does happen.. Whatever we have been doing wont fix the problems. For sure, something else has to be done.

            I really don’t see any major changes for the near future. Unfortunately I believe that the people in charge are seeing the magnitude of this problem and trying to use it for other countries advantage to grow, hoping that one day they will start spending money like we do so they can buy goods from us. You hear everybody speak of the national deficit but nobody speaks of the trade deficit. I think they are trying to keep this hush hush and hope that it will work out for everyone in the long run.

            haha! my roommates dog just yodeled in her sleep.

  26. Janice says:

    READ this if you want to see a correlation between what we are going through now and what the people went through 4,000 years ago……

    Genesis 47:13-25 (New King James Version)

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+47%3A13-25&version=NKJV

    • Lindsey says:

      Janice: I believe this country is ripe for a re-awakening of our faith! I pray to God that another Billy Graham will soon begin crusades in our country. (Franklin Graham has done great things overseas but we need help here!) It is a shame to witness the moral decay of this country! It reminds me of the crumbling of the Roman Empire that Sean referred to earlier.

      • Janice says:

        Hi Lindsay,

        Protestant is the name given to people of faith by man….Jesus Christ started the church built without hands, and that “Protestants” unlike Roman Catholics read the Bible written by anointed men of God….Jesus said “Do not call any man Father”,for the Almighty God is our Spiritual Father….
        It was a sin to the Roman Catholics for anyone to read the bible..and when it was spoken even in the USA it was spoken in Latin, a dead language. The bible was written in Arabic, Hebrew and Greek….so the congregation could really know the Truth….and King James of England had the Bible interpreted into English for us to be able to read…..

        Martin Luther saw in the Bible that just doing works would not bring redemption …..but faith without works is dead….
        I know the Catholics are taught that “THE” Church started in 313 A.D……by them…..but their mere belief in that shows me they do no understand the written word of God as Jesus spoke it….The Church started with Christ (in 0000) Many true believers who witnessed the death of Christ on the cross, were killed by the Roman government and Catholic church..so that once the were all dead they could then start “their” church
        Jesus taught Spirituality….when he came to show us the way…
        The church was not started by man….any church….each person who believes in what Christ did and knows who he was …..has the church inside him or herself……
        Jesus said count every man a liar…and don’t be deceived.
        He was the CornerStone….and he spoke in parables….
        He did say do not forsake the gathering together…..which you could say he meant, for you to go to church…but when he was here He did not go build a bunch of denominations and church buildings..He went and taught in the synagogues and had “church” in homes……He was a Jew..he came to redeem them as well., then blinded them so they could not know the truth that WE gentiles might be saved..The Jews carried the Truth from the beginning that God was an unseen God….The ARk of the Covenant..Jesus came to save all , whether Jew or Greek. Salvation was not just for a few but for all….peoples..The Jews thought they were the only ones who could be saved for they had been so faithful to God all those years and now this Jesus says God’s redemption is for All People. Jesus broke barriers, torn down the walls between the Elitest of that day the superior of that time who looked down on those who were not out of their genes , their royality, their color…..Jesus..shocked the Pious and lifted up the down and out..
        It’s man idea to profit off of tithers…..its man’s idea to build 2500 buildings with 2500 different beliefs ….
        It wasn’t Gods..
        Churches have become a show and a concert and too big to get know the people who go there….
        I do not call myself a Protestant…I am a Christian who believes in Jesus Christ , who was God in the Flesh and who redeemed us of our sins…so that we may know Him, and He might know us, and so we may have Spiritual Communion with our Father in Heaven.
        The maker and the creator of Heaven and Earth…Amen

        • sean says:

          LOL! you are bonkers! The Roman Catholic church made it a sin to read the bible? Than why is there Roman Catholic bibles?

          The word Protestant is derived from the Latin protestari [2][3] meaning publicly declare which refers to the letter of protestation by Lutheran princes against the decision of the Diet of Speyer in 1529, which reaffirmed the edict of the Diet of Worms in 1521, banning Luther’s documents. Since that time, the term Protestantism has been used in many different senses, often as a general term merely to signify people who believe in Christ who exist outside of the Catholic Church.

          Do you know what the Pentecost is?

          I’m not even a Christian and I know more about Christianity than you.

          • sean says:

            Pentecost is the great festival that marks the birth of the Christian church by the power of the Holy Spirit. Pentecost means “fiftieth day” and is celebrated fifty days after Easter.

            Ten days after Jesus ascended into heaven, the twelve apostles, Jesus’ mother and family, and many other of His disciples gathered together in Jerusalem for the Jewish harvest festival that was celebrated on the fiftieth day of Passover. While they were indoors praying, a sound like that of a rushing wind filled the house and tongues of fire descended and rested over each of their heads. This was the outpouring of the Holy Spirit on human flesh promised by God through the prophet Joel (Joel 2:28-29). The disciples were suddenly empowered to proclaim the gospel of the risen Christ. They went out into the streets of Jerusalem and began preaching to the crowds gathered for the festival.

            That was the beginning of church.. Haven’t you always wondered why people speak in tongue?

          • Janice says:

            Sean,
            Yes, they did..before you were born…..a Catholic was told by their Priest and Nuns, “if you read the bible you will go crazy”. “If you go to a Protestant church it is a sin….( they believe that they are the TRUE church…the only church). WE know better….
            Thank-you for the definition of that man-made name Protestant. It must have been a Catholic Pope, coming up with that definition…which they would like to call us “heretics” really..like they did Martin Luther…
            All I know is I do not call myself a Protestant, but A believer in the Christ…..
            And Don’t talk down to me either Mr. Sean…..you have no idea how much education I have had in the Scriptures…..
            I suggest you take a class in World Religions…..and see what a mess man has made of a simple faith in God…..
            It would help you though to know what all of the faiths believe….and then you choose which one, has the TRUTH…
            Doctrines can be of the devil ….so tread lightly, before you leap. Seek Wisdom from above……and always seek Truth…and know where to find it..( The bible is considered a history book with accuracy too.)
            God is real ! And so are Demons.
            You’ll know when you have come into the “light”….and become enlightened….to something that will never grow old or die…..
            God is near you Sean……he is bringing you closer and closer to the Light of the World….
            Your studies of history will open the door to Wisdom from Above….
            Yes, I know what the Pentecost is..I have experienced it in my own walk with Christ…

          • sean says:

            haha that is not true. Show me somewhere that backs up your theory that the roman catholic church made it a sin to read the bible or “if you read the bible you were crazy.”

            This shows your complete lack of knowledge of Christianity. Remember, I took a class on ancient literature.. The Catholic Church originated from the apostles Peter and Paul. People at first thought Christianity was foolish until it became excepted as the truth during the dark ages. The catholic church taught people how to read the bible when they were illiterate. The Catholic church made Christianity popular and did a great deal of good for the people. Other kings and predominate men saw the effect it had on people and started it in their own country, like the Franks… It wasn’t until hundreds of years later when the corruption eroded and catholic churches started oppressing the people from taxation. The protestant reformation was the divide that separated modern day branches of Christianity from the catholic church.

          • Lindsey says:

            Sean: Yes the prophecy from Joel came true! So did the prophecies of Isiah, Jeremiah etc. etc. Yet you say you are not a Christian. What more evidence do you need?

        • Lindsey says:

          Janice: That’s all you need to know! Your statement about churches becoming a show and a concert is however, only partially true. Remember, “When two or more are gathered in my name, there I am”. There is something magical about us gathering together on the Lord’s day! I say get together with a believer next Sunday and talk about your belief. In that gathering you as you say will be part of the church! Really, there are a lot of good churches around though and if you start visiting them you will see!

  27. christine says:

    McConnell Blasts Government Over ‘Gag Order’ on Private Health Care Provider

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/23/mcconnell-blasts-government-gag-order-private-health-care-provider/

    Excerpt…
    “Humana said in its letter that if Medicare Advantage funding gets cut, “millions of seniors and disabled individuals … could lose many of the important benefits and services that make Medicare Advantage health plans so valuable.”

    Republican Senate Minority leader Mitch McConnell blasted the investigation of Humana on Wednesday, calling it a “federal gag order” that seeks to silence a health provider that disagrees with the administration. McConnell said he’s called for a complete legal justification of the probe.

    “This is so clearly an outrage,” McConnell said on the Senate floor. “For explaining to seniors how legislation might affect them, the federal government has now issued a gag order on that company, and any other company that communicates with clients on the issue, telling them to shut up — or else.

    “This is precisely the kind of thing Americans are worried about with the administration’s health care plan. They’re worried that government agencies which were created to enforce violations even-handedly will instead be used against those who voice a different point of view,” he said.”

    ALL THIS IS A SIGN SOMETHING NO GOOD IS UP WITH THE PLAN, deceptively marketed to the American people as something FOR THEM, ha!.

    If the issue is pre-existing conditions, then the govt can simple make that illegal by law. There would be no need to expand government, reduce benefits, talk about a plan with a premiums that no one knows the amount of…no need for a government controlled exchange….that excludes members of congress as if they are not Americans. Maybe most of them aren’t.

    • Lindsey says:

      Christine: Looks fishy to me! Also Alan Grayson’s remarks were made after a Republican rep. was waving a “proposal” in the air stating that the Republicans had proposals for a health bill. When Grayson asked about the papers the papers were blank. That’s when he went into his tirade. (Or at least that’s the way I understand it) Anyway, I don’t always agree with Grayson, but I like his honesty.

      • christine says:

        I think the blank proposals means they don’t want an ever expanding government with czars, and they don’t really want government handling our health care insurance. Just not necessary or right for the government to buy up every industry. Sounds like we are headed for military controlled type government who controls everything, …yet they want Americans to remain creative. This is a sure way to decrease creativity. No matter what they say, the opposite is what unfolds. They know what triggers Americans, what Americans want so they use that info to sweep us into going along with them only to find the outcomes is nothing like what we wanted. Trickery. Double Speak. Out and out lieing. I’m actually proud of the senator who shouted “That’s a lie!” I have a lot of respect for those who are honest.

        We were told by Pelosi and Obama that new jobs would be created by now by the many thousands. Instead, more unemployment. You cannot believe anything they say, but you can believe that the opposite of what they say is true, so when listening you have to do a mental conversion to know what is ahead. They say on the one had they want the return of confidence in the system….well, I would say … how does it feel to want? Without our participation…”they” are little nothing nobodies.

    • Janice says:

      Medical Advantage is a rip off anyways…..
      The insurance agent gets $500 commission and then takes the person’s Medcare A & B from the control of the government……and yes the premiums are really low but the subscriber has to pay out of pocket for every service rendered….
      Plus, when they go into the hospital they pay $1046 at the door, and 20% of whatever the Medicare A & B doesn’t pay….so you could end up paying alot of money which you don”t have ,when you get out of the hospital.
      Medicare A & B is $96.30 a month and the Medical Supplement is $92 a month…..but yah never have to pay for doctors visits, or hospital stays or anything….However, it costs an extra $36 a month if you get Part D for you meds…..
      So when we pay into it for years with every paycheck …….we don’t get a dime of it…..we still have to pay monthly for it after retiring…
      I sure hope they do not increase it with this new Healthcare plan…..cuz I couldn’t afford it…… I’d have to drop it all!
      Medicare A is free cuz we paid into it.., but it only covers a hospital stay and requires the $1046 each hospitalization.
      and only covers 80% of the bill…..if yo can find a doctor who will take it! I’m sure many people on Social Security and just Medicare A are broke or bankrupt or the government took all their assests and house……I wonder what the stats are on that?

  28. Janice says:

    my friend says…….
    “More like the Land of the Greed and the Home of the Corrupt, and you need to be Brave to Stay Here!”

    I think I like her version better!

  29. Janice says:

    Welcome to The “Land of the GREED and the HOME of the BRAVE”..!

    • christine says:

      Links doesn’t work. got a better one?

      Love Alan Grayson. He’s as direct as we need other politicians to be. He comes prepared and drills down. quick to come back on every attempt “they” make to avoid answering the question and devulging the truthful information.

      • sean says:

        Link works for me.. Go to Cspan.org, its on the main page.. If not search for his name on cspan. I don’t necessarily believe in government health insurance but it is funny.

      • Lindsey says:

        Christine: I agree with you on Alan Grayson. I don’t always agree with him but at least you always know where he stands and he knows his stuff!

    • christine says:

      got it. well, hmmm…don’t love alan grayson that much I guess. that was an idiotic presentation. we don’t need health insurance, we need lower health care and services costs so what goes on between me and the doc is affordable…just like any other service.

      …and we need the government to stop doing chemtrails that put drugs in our air, stop the drugs/chemicals in our food and water, and not take over our food supply so all we get is GMO food that lack nutrition. If the government was really concerned about us being healthy…they would stop doing all these things that lead to illness. Oh, and stop contaminated vaccines, and thank you very much, I will will decide what medicine I take, if any.

  30. Janice says:

    ARE THE SENATORS AND CONGRESS GETTING THE H1N1 FLU VACCINE????
    Capitol alert for H1N1 outbreak; senators and staff to get masks
    By Jordy Yager – 09/21/09 06:35 AM ET

    The U.S. Capitol Police (USCP) and the Office of the Attending Physician are planning to attend this week’s meeting with the SAA in which they will discuss a variety of different scenarios for how an H1N1 outbreak could affect Congress, including more than 10,000 staffers and nearly 2 million visitors so far this year.

    Neither the Senate SAA nor the House SAA is planning to offer testing for members or staff. Instead they are planning to treat any flu-like symptoms as if it is the H1N1 strain, and are advising staff to consult their primary care physician. The Senate is planning to provide masks for senators and staff.
    NO THEY ARE BEING PROVIDED MASKS AND nearly 400 hand sanitizer stations throughout the Capitol complex to “prevent the spread of germs.”

    SO IS THE GOVERNMENT GOING TO TAKE THE SAME H1N1 FLU VACCINE THAT THEY RECOMMEND TO THE PEOPLE OF THE USA AND THE WORLD…….?

    Capitol officials did not comment on how many doses would be made available to them.

    I GUESS THE ANSWER IS MAYBE………..

    ITS NICE OF THEM TO THINK ABOUT RATIONING THE VACCINE.THAT MOST OF US DON’T WANT…..BUT ITS ANOTHER THING TO NOT TAKE WHAT THEY HAVE DESIGNED FOR DEPOPULATION FOR US………

  31. christine says:

    H1N1 Classified ALERT involving the U.S. Navy – 5 ships all vaccinated, turning back – 2 dead including captain – hundreds testing positive for H1N1

    From a post at http://www.theflucase.com

    Name: Martin Lauchenauer
    US – Navy Ships – Swine Flu

    Text: Hi, I received this e-mail. But have also no other source to confirm. Martin

    Subject: ALERT! ALERT! ALERT! Navy Ships breaking out with Swine Flu after H1N1 vaccinations- Five Turning back from missions SPREAD this FAST FAR and WIDE!! Let The People Know

    From Bob Chapman International Forecaster: US MARKETS Data gleaned indirectly from anonymous testimony of Navy wives of the affected crew via the internet radio show A Marine Disquisition : Unnamed US Navy vessel put to sea in April with 347 man crew. Entire crew was vaccinated with H1N1 Swine Flu vaccine shortly after they put to sea. Crew sickened so severely that other ships had to respond to render aid. 16 Medical Dr.s put aboard from an unnamed aircraft carrier and other responding vessels. Total of 50 Navy personnel sent aboard to respond to crisis. Two of the crew of 347 died – including the Captain of the ship (a Lieutenant Commander) and a Chief Petty Officer. 50 personnel sent aboard to help are quarantined in Navy hospital in Balboa, Spain after 10 of them caught the flu from the ship’s crew. Two of the 50 quarantined are in serious condition at last report. Of the 347 man crew that were vaccinated, 333 contracted the H1N1 flu FROM THE VACCINE. Two died, as mentioned above, and 331 survived. Only 14 of the 347 vaccinated sailors did not show any ill effects from the vaccine. Navy has threatened all the spouses of the ship’s crew to remain silent – claiming all this information is classified. Some are whistle-blowing and that is where this information is coming from. On the unnamed aircraft carrier that provided assistance, 415 sailors contracted the swine flu and are currently quarantined onboar d. PLEASE pass this email along. The truth is that the swine flu epidemic will be created BY THE VACCINE. If we don’t take it, there will be no epidemic. From this one test it’s apparent that the vaccine as tested on that ship’s crew in April is 96% effective at infecting the recipient with swine flu. Such an infection rate is impossible to achieve by any natural means. Though it only killed 1% immediately, there is no telling what the long term effects on those injected with the vaccine will be. See the research on the long term effects of the 1976 swine flu vaccine, and the Gulf War anthrax vaccine programs for more information. Also note that mere contact with those that have been vaccinated creates a 20% chance of you contracting the swine flu even if you have not been vaccinated. Please pass this data along to anyone you care about!
    ***** Major Alert’ The U.S. Navy has “OVER” 5 U.S. Navy Ships TURNING BACK FROM MAJOR ORDERS OF TRANSPORT TO “MIDDLE EAST WAR ZONE” NAVY & COMBAT MARINES AIR WINGS, AND GROUND TROOPS ]***UNABLE TO FULLFILL THEIR DUTIES****At present confirmed 1 a/c carrier 2 destroyers 1 helicopter a/c carrier over 30,000 assorted Military, mostly USN & USMC Some Coast Guard, National Guard & some Air Force. Semper Fi, Drew Malone; Raines III Master Electronics Engineer USMC 1967-1977 Owner: H.E.A.R.T. & Associates1983-Present 3423 Avery Road Little Rock, Arkansas 72209 http://www.amd.elequity.com SKYPE: drewmalone.rainesiii 501.565.1833 501.565.1833 501.565.1833 501.565.1833 *****Bob,

    Here is the link to the Navy Article:
    http://thepowerhour.org/news4/opnav-3500-41.pdf
    Semper Fi, Drew Malone; Raines III

  32. jon ruh says:

    I like Ron Paul’s ideas but he’s assuming that if we had a completely free market that doctors, hospitals, and drug companies would automatically do the right thing like he once did. However this just doesn’t happen. When have you heard of a doctor in this country providing free appointments or health care of any kind? Usually they’ll call and harass you, send you to collections or whatever they can over $100. With a free market system drug companies can still commit all the research fraud and control what our doctors learn to be true in school. We have a free market for the most part and it allows these corporations to manipulate the science our entire medical system is established on.

  33. christine says:

    Swine flu vaccines to arrive Oct. 5
    http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2009-09-24-vaccine-swine-flu_N.htm?csp=34

    It’s interesting to note when the vaccines arrive at different times around the world. So far I’ve seen…

    China – 1st, already started
    Australia – Sept 30
    Germany – Oct 19
    Britain – early Oct
    America – Oct 5 (we’ve had the highest number of deaths)

    I would never have guessed that this much fuss and loss of liberty worldwide would ever be made over the flu, the flu that comes and goes more easily than all this ruckus. It’s as irrational as “they” get, but of course there is an agenda to their madness. I’ve grown tired of the folks in charge. I wish they’d all willingly leave the planet so we can live in peace.

    • christine says:

      Switzerland – November 16

      the military are to vaccinate the Swiss population beginning on the 16th of November and ending in December.

  34. christine says:

    Rockefeller and Silverstein implicated in new FBI pandemic charges filed by Horowitz

    “Silverstein is currently landlord and co-partner in the biotechnology trust founded by David Rockefeller, which Horrowitz and Kane alleging is a key body coordinating the activities of other groups belonging to a crime ring that are pushing forward mass forced vaccination for profit.”

    If these people can get away with killing more than 3,000 people in 8 seconds on 9-11, they are completely capable of murdering millions, even billions, of people worldwide this flu season,” Dr. Horowitz commented.

    http://www.theflucase.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=676%3Arockefeller-and-silverstein-implicated-in-fbi-pandemic-charges&catid=1%3Alatest-news&Itemid=64&lang=pl

    • Janice says:

      Wow this is great………I just read the full report on Jane’s website…I heard him speak on Coast to Coast about a month ago concerning the Swine Flu Vaccines…..Horowitz knows what he is talking about….and I”m am so happy for all of us….to get to the truth ……I just emailed it out to everyone I know…
      Now I can sleep…….!

  35. Janice says:

    February 6, 2007

    Two New Studies Back Vitamin D for Cancer Prevention
    Researchers Report Levels Needed To Cut Breast, Colon Cancer Risk

    “The data were very clear, showing that individuals in the group with the lowest blood levels had the highest rates of breast cancer, and the breast cancer rates dropped as the blood levels of 25-hydroxyvitamin D increased,” said study co-author Cedric Garland, Dr.P.H. “The serum level associated with a 50 percent reduction in risk could be maintained by taking 2,000 international units of vitamin D3 daily plus, when the weather permits, spending 10 to 15 minutes a day in the sun.”

    The colorectal cancer study, published online February 6 in the American Journal of Preventive Medicine, is a meta-analysis of five studies that explored the association of blood levels of 25(OH)D with risk of colon cancer. All of the studies involved blood collected and tested for 25 (OH)D levels from healthy volunteer donors who were then followed for up to 25 years for development of colorectal cancer.

    UCSD Cancer Center Newsletter

    http://cancer.ucsd.edu/AboutUs/News/stories/Garland_Colon.asp

    and you men……
    Vitamin D and prostate cancer prevention and treatment.
    Chen TC, Holick MF.

    Vitamin D, Skin and Bone Research Laboratory, Section of Endocrinology, Diabetes and Nutrition, Department of Medicine, Boston University School of Medicine, Boston, MA 02118, USA. taichen@bu.edu

    Human prostate cells contain receptors for 1alpha,25-dihydroxyvitamin D, the active form of vitamin D. Prostate cancer cells respond to vitamin D(3) with increases in differentiation and apoptosis, and decreases in proliferation, invasiveness and metastasis. These findings strongly support the use of vitamin D-based therapies for prostate cancer and/or as a second-line therapy if androgen deprivation fails. The association between either decreased sun exposure or vitamin D deficiency and the increased risk of prostate cancer at an earlier age, and with a more aggressive progression, indicates that adequate vitamin D nutrition should be a priority for men of all ages. Here we summarize recent advances in epidemiological and biochemical studies of the endocrine and autocrine systems associated with vitamin D and their implications for prostate cancer and in the evaluation of vitamin D(3) and its analogs in preventing and/or treating prostate cancer.

    PMID: 14580762 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14580762?dopt=AbstractPlus

    SEE HOW CHEAP “HEALTH” CARE CAN BE……WE LACK NUTRIENTS TO KEEP OUR BODY HEALTHY…..WE DON’T LACK CHEMOTHERAPY, RADIATION AND DRUGS……
    LIFE IS SIMPLE….THAT GOD FOR HEALTH FOCUSED SCIENTISTS

  36. Janice says:

    Finally…….a post from a doctor on a regular media website.
    Maybe now they will believe us…..
    Swine Flu/H1N1 Flu: What To Do?
    Dr. Frank Lipman
    Integrative Physician
    Posted: September 25, 2009 08:40am

    From: The Huffington Post,
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-frank-lipman/swine-flu-what-to-do_b_286245.html

    The intention of the OPTIMAL LIFE CENTER and Kallie P. Miller, R.N. (Ret.) is to support the restoration, maintenance, and enhancement of your body, mind and spirit so that you may experience an optimal life. Zappers….

    Vitamin D – Epidemic Flu

    http://siterank.velocitysc.com/visit/www.4optimallife.com

  37. Janice says:

    Evil thinkers…like First degree murders think…….

  38. Janice says:

    LAB TESTS & HEALTH EFFECTS

    Shocking Phoenix Air Quality Test Results (Backup file)

    cadmium is 126x the toxic limit,
    chromium is 282x the toxic limit and
    nickel is 169x the toxic limit.
    aluminum is a stagg 6,400x the toxic limit,
    iron is 28,000x the toxic limit,
    magnesium is 5.3x the toxic limit,
    potassium is 793x the toxic limit and
    sodium is 15.9x the toxic limit
    barium is 278x the toxic limit,
    copper is 98x the toxic limit,
    manganese is a staggering
    5,820x the toxic limit
    zinc is 593x the toxic limit

    http://www.chemtrails911.com/lab_tests_and_effects.htm

    • christine says:

      They are just ruining our fields for growing food and our air. Look at the picture just a few seconds into this video. Huge spider webs caused by chemtrails. I suppose if he were to plant something in this land the food would cause disease. People should have a right to sue for devaluing the use of their land.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym3suipS6M4

      • Janice says:

        Wow…..how did those cobwebs form from Chemtrails? It didn’t explain it did it?
        Christine I wish there was someway we could exchange emails…its on this form I write on but the public isn’t able to see it…It rare to find people like us who are awake..I have several friends who are but they don’t post on this site.

        I wonder what happened to Delores? She hasn’t been posting lately…I know she was wondering about if she should take a job to give the vaccines or not.
        I hope she is OK ……

        Thanks for the pictures of the earth..
        I found this one from that site……
        http://www.twanight.org/newTWAN/galleries.asp?Sort=Region&Value=America&page=1

        • christine says:

          I don’t know how the web is formed. It must have been a heavy spraying to get that much. The Hopi indians said in the end times there would be webs across the skies. Can’t put my finger on that video just now. I’m thinking the end times is just the end of life as we have known it, a transformation.

          Chemtrails – Web Things Part 1
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgnNIBO3dJg&NR=1

          I have been wondering about Dolores too and was going to ask you! I don’t know. She stopped posting. I hope she is doing well too. You can reach me via my website, click contact.

  39. Janice says:

    Watch this very informative video on children’s vaccinations…..

    Every mother should watch this before ever submitting their child to a now number of 48 by the age of six and 69 by the age of 18.

    How Much Time Do You REALLY Need To Learn All You Need to Know About Vaccination?

    http://www.mercola.com/Seminars/2009/Vaccine-Seminar.htm

    please……send this blog to everyone of your state and federal government officials and every newscaster that you have their email address…..

    • Janice says:

      NEWS RELEASE

      NEWS RELEASE: No. 201-H1N1-21
      Date Mailed: Sept. 26, 2009
      Supermarkets’ Bloody Vaccination Campaign Advances Health Care Reform by Lethal Injections

      By Dr. Leonard Horowitz and Sherri Kane
      Wondering why food stores and pharmacies have replaced doctors offices and clinics as vaccination stations? Ask Steve Burd, the wizard behind Obama’s Health Care Reform plan.

      Burd, the Chairman of Safeway Supermarkets (VONS, Pavilions, and more) is also the founder of the Coalition to Advance Healthcare Reform (CAHR) in the US., and Burd has his fingers in more pies than healthcare.

      His partners genocidal operations are evidenced in shocking documents delivered by these authors to the FBI last week proving Safeway’s vaccinations and health care promotions are dangerously impure and unsafe.

      Burd’s ties to the worlds most powerful vaccine lobby and biotech trust, Partnership for New York City (PNYC), best explain why Safeway is heralding and administering shots, including the new H1N1 flu vaccines, like never before.

      Safeway and Burd’s conflicting interests are alarming. Partners in the PNYC includes Safeway owner Kohlberg Kravis Roberts (KKR) that acquired the chain in 1986. Burd and Lloyd C. Blankfein of Goldman Sachs are the two highest paid CEOs in America, both are high profile corporate members of the most powerful Business Council in the world, and both maintain tight connections to the drug-ring implicated in creating and circulating the 2009 pandemic.

      The BusinessCouncil.org directed America’s transition out of the Great Depression advising Congress to advance the Security and Exchange Act, the Banking Act, and the Social Security Act of 1935.

      Experts believe that foul play is obviously behind the current pandemic as evidenced by the virus’s genetics. The feared flu is a laboratory-recombinant of swine from Mexico, avian (bird) from Asia, and a human corpse contaminated with flu genes from the 1918 Spanish pandemic unearthed despite protests from scientists worldwide.

      The official explanation alleges an impossible, natural mating of genes from some Asian chicken, Mexican pig, and a dead-corpse buried for nearly a century.

      Common sense and chilling documents sent to the FBI by these authors discredit official explanations for this pandemic, and this is not the first time this kind of accident has happened. The laboratory sourced 1977 outbreak of H1N1, a virus that went extinct for 20 years was recently acknowledged in the esteemed New England Journal of Medicine.

      Boycott Safeway Now!
      In many Safeway stores, persuasion begins at the door. A teen, knowing nothing about vaccines, hands you a flier encouraging you to visit the pharmacy for your “impulse flu shot.” He excuses himself for his ignorance using the Nuremberg defense, “I’m just doing my job.”

      Safeway customers never learn their pharmacists know little about the H1N1 vaccine.Proprietary ingredients in these vaccines are purposely undisclosed by Burd’s partners, the vaccine makers, including Novartis, CSL, Baxter, and Glaxo-SmithKlein. Thus, the inoculations contraindications are missing from Safeway’s pharmacists brains.

      When on a recent visit to Safeway, Ms. Kane asked the pharmacist if he would take the shot. He replied, I am not going to lie, no, I won’t take the vaccine. Five minutes later the man pleasantly provided the flu shot to a customer conned by the promotion to save 10% on her next grocery bill; so the impulse inoculation would cost her less than $20. This recession savvy promotion at check-out got her to take the shot.

      Discounted injections are most profitable as they secure people’s dependency on the store’s pharmacy. Common vaccine and drug side effects last for years, and prescribed medicines generate greater toxicity causing additional diseases. Experts shudder to think vaccine ingredients include toxic oils, heavy metals, poisonous chemicals, anti-HIV spermicides, and (in the UK) a cancer virus believed liked to the origin of AIDS called SV40.

      Incredibly, the live genetically-engineered H1N1flu viruses in Safeway’s vaccines are expected to mutate rapidly with other circulating viruses including flu strains, common cancer viruses like Epstein Barr, and even HIV, potentially yielding new more deadly pandemics rivaling AIDS and the 1918 Spanish Flu.

      As far as medical doctors are concerned, Safeway stores are considered competitors or travel medicine providers (TMPs), according to the Infectious Diseases Society of America (IDSA). You get what you pay for, one official told us wishing to remain anonymous. Safeway is hiring these untrained and unqualified TMPs to administer these risky vaccines.

      One of Safeway’s former pharmacists explained that their best druggists are fired whenever they raise reasonable objections to vaccinations. Thus, Safeway’s tenured pharmacists tend to remain lame.

      For all the above reasons, an immediate lasting boycott of Safeway is indicated.

      “Its so new that he doesn’t have it on his website yet…so I had to copy the entire article that came to me via his emailed newsletter…..” In Michigan the Walgreens store advertises the Vaccines at the front door..the Pharmacist said he has to give them, cuz Walgreens didn’t hire anyone else to do it…I told him its probably becuz there isn’t a nurse that I know who will get it or who will give it….He said well I am so busy now having to do that and do my job…..you could tell he was rather “harried” Don’t worry I didn’t and won’t take it..I went there to pick up a prescription..and then got to talking with the Pharmacist….
      The point being in this article is who owns SafeWay.and who does this Flu Vaccine Benefit??????????? You guessed it….!

      • christine says:

        I was at Rite Aid today to get ready for my grandaughter’s first birthday. There sat a lonely gal at a table for flu vaccinations. I say lonely because she had no takers! yeah!

        Then I went to QFC and they had a sign in the parking lot for vaccines for shingles.

        I think I am becomming vaccine sensitive. Signs seem to be popping up everywhere for everything. Good grief.

        We were born with an immune system already, free of charge. We just need to support it and make sure it is good working order with all the ways we know maintains good health. An immune system does not come by way of a vaccine. Some day we will look upon vaccines as wrong and as stupid as bloodletting.

        • Janice says:

          Yep.,Vitamin D-3, Vitamin C, and Beta Glucans, a zapper if you have one..that is what I’m doing started 4 months ago!

    • Janice says:

      Schoolgirl, 14, dies and three classmates taken ill after being given new cervical cancer vaccine

      This occurred following a mass government advertising campaign in Britain encouraging parents to inject their kids with this poison, including a TV advert that has been playing non-stop.

      http://www.prisonplanet.com/schoolgirl-14-dies-and-three-classmates-taken-ill-after-being-given-new-cervical-cancer-vaccine.html

  40. Janice says:

    Now this is prime example of our reserachers hiding the facts from us and denying what caused it from themselves.
    We are paying these guys too much for stupidity!
    They know its caused from them giving people the Smallpox Vaccine for Cowpox/Foot and Mouth disease…
    No human should be given a vaccine for any animals disease…I mean they are nuts man!

    http://www.thejobcure.com/reuters_article.asp?id=20090925epid010.html

    Epidemiology
    Bullous skin disease mortality stable overall, but higher for pemphigoid and in Blacks

    Last Updated: 2009-09-25 19:03:50 -0400 (Reuters Health)

    NEW YORK (Reuters Health) – Over the last few decades, the overall rate of death from bullous skin diseases has remained stable in the US, but mortality from pemphigoid disorders has increased while deaths from pemphigus disorders have decreased.

    In the September issue of Archives of Dermatology, Dr. Martin A. Weinstock, of Veterans Affairs Medical Center, Providence, Rhode Island, and colleagues point out that in 1998, bullous skin disorders were the fourth most common cause of skin-disease related deaths, after skin cancer, ulcers, and bacterial infections.

    Their article traces the trends in bullous disease mortality in the US since 1979. Using mortality records from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, they determined that 5848 deaths could be attributed to bullous diseases from 1979 through 2002: 2378 from toxic epidermal necrolysis, 1530 from pemphigoid, 1226 from pemphigus, and 714 from epidermolysis bullosa. .
    ( 1914 millions died from their Smallpox vaccine, they got these bullous lesions, which I have taken care of myself at a University Hospital…more people died from the vaccine than the disease…)

    Overall, the age-adjusted annual mortality rate from bullous skin diseases was 0.103 deaths per 100,000. Age-adjusted mortality rates were 0.041 for toxic epidermal necrolysis, 0.028 for pemphigoid, 0.023 for pemphigus, and 0.011 for epidermolysis bullosa (all per 100,000).

    When the first 4 years of the study period were compared to the last 4 years, average mortality from bullous diseases went from 0.098 to 0.099 per 100,000.

    However, the investigators point out, age-adjusted mortality per 100,000 from pemphigoid went “from 0.020 in 1979-1982 to 0.029 twenty years later.”

    By contrast, age-adjusted mortality per 100,000 for pemphigus went from 0.033 to 0.021 during the same time period.

    The mortality rate ratio for toxic epidermal necrolysis among Blacks was 7.57 compared to Caucasians. Mortality was also higher among Blacks for pemphigoid and pemphigus.

    “Although this study perhaps raises more questions than it answers, we hope it will serve as a springboard to the investigation of the causes of these trends,” the researchers conclude.

    Arch Dermatol 2009;145:1005-1008.

    Copyright Reuters 2009.

  41. Janice says:

    Flu Vaccine Exposed
    Posted by: Dr. Mercola
    September 26 2009 | 74,404 video views

    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/09/26/Flu-Vaccine-Exposed.aspx

    Studies show that flu vaccines are unsafe and ineffective. This presentation by the Thinktwice Global Vaccine Institute includes a visual depiction of flu vaccine production — how the flu vaccine is made and what it contains.

  42. Janice says:

    Wow is the Sun Huge, compared with earth!!!!
    http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/index.html

    NASA Instruments Reveal Water Molecules on Lunar Surface
    http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2009-147

    • Janice says:

      I heard Marilyn Hickey back in in 90’s talked of this at a conference, I heard her say our earth will do a 180 degree flip ……she found it in the bible somewhere…Jan

      2012: Pole Shift
      http://vodpod.com/watch/1193518-2012-polar-shift-is-possible-the-real-danger-of-2012?pod=nightthief&mp=1

      • Janice says:

        Galactic Alignment
        Proponents of the 2012 doomsday hoax claim that an alignment with the center of the galaxy will occur in 2012. We show why this is wrong.
        Varied arguments

        According to some proponents, on the December solstice in 2012, there will be an alignment between the solar system and the Galaxy. This claim takes at least four forms:

        1. An alignment between the solstice sun and the geometric center of the galaxy
        2. An alignment between the black hole in the center of the galaxy and the sun and earth
        3. An alignment with the dark rift and the solstice sun
        4. A pass through the galactic plane by the solar system.

        Conclusion

        In conclusion: For each claimed ‘alignment’ we show why the claim is incorrect
        http://www.2012hoax.org/galactic-alignment

        a possible hoax sorry…

    • dan hughes says:

      Janice, look at this very cool graph and see how very small the sun really is compared to other single stars. Then when we start to figure in the numbers of stars in a galaxy and how many galaxies there are,,,

      http://gmscience.blogspot.com/2009/03/what-is-name-of-largest-star.html

      • Janice says:

        Yes Dan I knew that too….I saw another picture of our solar system and how our earth and the sun are just specks compared to the Universe’s., That is why I feel there is life on other planets and I feel that God is the Father of the Universe’s…..and he has many Christians on other planets who are far more advanced than we are technology wise, 1,000’s of years more advanced, and they do not believe in wars in fact they have stopped all wars and live in peace.

        Wars are only for a people who covet another’s material resources. We in this nation have just experienced within our own country what the evil government outside of God’s government can do to a people. Now, that enemy of God is going worldwide to confiscate all of the means of exchange called “money for living”, from all the peoples of the world.
        Which will cause much famine and disease and death….

        Too many have not awakened to what is happening, not even in the government…If they take the Flu Vaccines they will be wiped out with disease in 5 years….making a place for more of the NWO evil workers….they do not listen to us about our concerns because they are not awake…We with this administration and mind control going on with the Senators and the Congressman they can not awake now. The process has begun and the NWO has everything in place to go worldwide with the Money system and the Flu Vaccine death shot….You see who is in charge and not that I am saying Obama is but he may also have been brain washed as well to carry out the agenda…..

        You have seen the inability of even Ron Paul or any of congress as a team to audit or get rid of the Federal Reserve system.
        They do not listen to them, they feel they are excempt from obeying any of our constitution,or rules and regulations.
        Because from the beginning they made sure of it when they started it…..its taken them years to get to this point of no return……
        The Senators and Congressman are brainwashed against the people to their own demise….they too have even abandoned the constitution and the bill of rights…..when they sold out to the Federal Reserve who took charge of our money system……

        Life over the next 7 years will not be fun……so get ready for Hell on Earth…….

  43. Janice says:

    What a great way to start your day.
    It takes a few minutes but it is very beautiful and calming

    Click below:

    http://www.thejoymovie.com

  44. christine says:

    Officials reach agreement on flu vaccines
    http://www.theflucase.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=729%3Aunion-members-may-refuse-flu-shots-without-punishment&catid=1%3Alatest-news&Itemid=64&lang=en

    Nuremberg II coming soon
    Tell all your friends 2009-09-25 10:54:08

    ——————————————————————
    For the authorities forced to implement these forced vaccinations, please read and follow the act IV of Nuremberg Principles:

    Principle IV states, “The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him.”
    In the common parlance, this principle could be paraphrased as follows: “It is not an acceptable excuse to say “I was just following my Superior’s orders” ”

    So let’s all do the moral choice and RESIST the vaccinations in any forms.

  45. Janice says:

    The YouTube links below are Part 1 and 2 of a
    tape made by a Texan. He and his wife made the tape from their ranch in south-central Texas . At their own expense, they made 1000 copies and sent one to every single congressman and senator and some media outlets. Let’s hope that each and every one of them watched and LISTENED!!!

    US Senior Citizen Speaks Out on Healthcare Bill – Part 1
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7sQHunYdN8

    US Senior Citizen Speaks Out on Healthcare Bill – Part 2
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MJsF11PsnQ&NR=1

    H1N1 VACCINE If YOU get a rare side effect TOUGH LUCK
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTlirLNCjWE&feature=related

    Swine Flu Vaccine Makers Refuse Shot
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuUyOstPhWU&feature=related

    • christine says:

      GOP Rep. to Obama: ‘You Lie!’
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgce06Yw2ro

      Wilson’s ‘Spontaneous’ Outburst
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPa7Hkh_nBI&feature=related

      …and so to shut the truth down, to give the message that if the president out and out lies we own him respect …the sheeple and gutless reps… How about respect to us Mr. Obama…to not lie. This is how they perpetuate the what is bad is good and what is good is bad brainwashing.

      Raw Video: GOP’s Wilson Is Admonished by House
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r_Jn9qqA2o&NR=1

      If we didn’t have a money-based system and rather had a humanitarian-based system, this would not even be an issue. Truth is, I want all people everywhere to have good health, and for this need not to cost one penny but to be freely given as all our needs…housing, food, etc. There’s no need for us to perpetuate the illusion of money or class distinctions. We could eliminate poverty and the eilite at the same time.

  46. VR says:

    “Your papers, please ….
    …. Comrade, you have not purchased the health insurance?”

    http://www.politico.com/static/PPM110_090925_document2.html

    • christine says:

      I watched the debate on c-span. John Ensign was standing up for the constitution. He firstly asked if people would be jailed over non-payment of premiums. They concurred that they would be fined and possibly face jail time.

      John then challenged going forth with the healthcare plan saying there are many Americans who hold the constitution dear to them, that many Americans see this plan as unconstitutional. Further saying they might not pay the premiums on this basis that it indeed goes against their constitutional rights and will protest and challenge the government controlled healthcare plan imposition in this way.

      The committee just went on to further discussion without anyone else saying a word about the un-contitutionality of it all.

      I also saw a man from the Carlyle Group in a hearing. He was asked if he believed in the constitution. His response was he thought that this was not the place to discuss that.

      More and more our reps are point blank asking the question…Do you believe in the constitution. They are trying to shine a light on those who don’t so more and more people know what is going on, who’s for it and who is against it. Take down names.

      • Janice says:

        I watched it too Christine…..
        I did hear heard Rep John Ensign say also that he was concerned about all the CZARS that these last two Presidents have been appointing under the “executive privilege”…he said, he was concerned about it and wanted congress to start making a law against it…that it is getting out of control and that these CZARS are actually shifting too much power to the President and the “balance of power” is lopsided now….that these CZARS are not even a part of the government but carry the power that the congress should have.
        He felt that it is like having a “Shadow Government” running the country….he opened it up for discussion …Senator Kerry said he was concerned also but felt it should be dealt with in depth at another meeting…he said if your concerned about the Health CZAR and not all of the other CZARS we could vote on that concern now ….so they did and it was voted down to investigate the constitutionality of it….
        my Senator Debbie Stabenow also voted it down and I will remember that the next time she even tries to run for Senator again…….
        Senator Kerry also said it does take the power and influence away from the cabinet as well….and we know nothing about these people who are hired..Ensign said they should have done something about it when President Bush was doing it ….but we let it go and now there are many more CZARS with this administration …..he pointed out that there is nothing in the separation of powers of our Constitution that allows a President to have CZARS….they can not have them come before them to be questioned or to testify, they do not come before the Senate to be questioned before they are hired…..and yet the government and the taxpayers pays their salaries…and my thought is….we are not even told what they are paid……and what do the cabinet members get paid…and Benacke and Geithner…….we should know their salaries and their bonus’s…..they could be ripping us off and never disclose it to us…Geithner could be not even paying his taxes on his income~~~~~~~~~LOL.
        Also,they have come up with all smokers are going to have to pay 1.5% more on their premiums….with this public healthcare system…..and anyone who drinks Martini’s or smokes dope or takes drugs or eats too much and is way over weight ..their premium doesn’t go up…..nor if they engage in Sodomy and get aids from it…their premium won’t go up…
        And if they took the toxic H1N1 vaccine and got a bunch of other diseases from it….their premium doesn’t go up!

        It seems like they are saying everything is caused by smoking cigarettes …..nothing about cigars or pipes….and Nicotine gum and patches and lozenges cost just as much as a carton of cigarettes do and they all contain Nicotine..just because it isn’t inhaled nicotine it still narrows the arteries…..so why wouldn’t they just ban Nicoline in cigarettes or their inflated patches ……Nicotine is Nicotine…..and that is what is doing the damage..like I”ve said before they don’t know a damn thing about what they are doing…..

  47. Janice says:

    Home » CCHR VIDEOS » Experts » The Psycho Pharmaceutical Industry with former Pharma Scientist
    The Psycho Pharmaceutical Industry with former Pharma Scientist

    Updated: 2009-09-25
    Category: Nonprofit

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    Tags: Shane Ellison, The People’s Chemist, Psycho Pharmaceutical, Pharmaceuticals, psychiatric drugs, psychiatry, CCHRInt, CCHR

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    Shane Ellison has a masters degree in organic chemistry and is a two-time recipient of the prestigious Howard Hughes Medical Institute Research Grant for his studies in biochemistry and physiology.

    Here Shane exposes the inner workings of the psycho/pharmaceutical industry, the manufacture and marketing of psychiatric drugs and the fact that the psycho/pharma industry is well aware their drugs do not cure anyone. He previously worked for both Array BioPharma and Eli Lilly.

    http://www.cchrint.org/videos/experts/shane-ellison/

    I knew this years ago…….for 45 years I never saw any drug cure a damn thing….and the patients had all kinds of side effects……..see how Big Pharma has been NOT TREATING DISEASES and charging big bucks….and every doctor knows it …because they went to school for 9 years just to make money and be the scapegoat for Big Pharma….who “Practices Medicines”. NOW DO YOU WANT TO BE PRACTICED ON ANYMORE WITH TOXIC DRUGS????????????
    DO YOU? DO YOU REALLY THINK THOSE MEDICINES ARE HELPING YOU? THE COUMADIN MADE FROM RAT POISON….DO YOU KNOW WHY THEY CHECK YOUR BLOOD LEVELS EVERY MONTH? To see if your getting too much arsenic poisoning all you innocent patients……your liver will be shot, you will have fatigue……..and then if that isn’t enough they give you an antibiotic made from Fluoride…if they give you toxic levels of it…it will become then a antibacterial…but they have to create more diseases….to stay in business……so all antibiotics are made from Fluoride and Fluoride toxicity will cause Alzheimers, Osteoporosis,Cancers,Brain damage. Oh boy they say now we can sell these fools more drugs..yippy! we are in the money now honey…..wow drugs drugs drugs…I dare you all to be a nurse for one day……one day…and have to give about 36 people drugs twice a shift. And worry, and monitor for side effects….that’s all a doctor does for you…period……what the hell his education for……the only ones who do something are the specialists …….the rest of them I wouldn’t give two cents to go see…..I think the Pharmacist should take over and write the prescriptions…..let the doctor go learn a skill,like heart transplants, and Vascular surgeries….reading a x-ray or drawing blood and doing the lab tests…let them do a nurses job for once….to see what its like …….

    • christine says:

      Awareness is the first step. Then when we know more we do differently. The problem is with health insurance ..the premiums must be paid even if we don’t use the corrupt medical practices or participate in the sick care system. That’s unfair and an expense we don’t need. Insurance companies do not favor reimbursements for alternatives. They’ve struggled for years to even be acknowledged. I’m sure the government-controlled plan will not support alternatives because of big pharma lobbyists. It’s all about money, not about healing or health. if we don’t want every issue and need in our lives to be ruled by money, then the money-based system needs to be replaced with a humanitarian-based society. We’d be pleased with how life would change when we base decisions coming from our hearts…and not the love of money. As it is now, money runs everything and overrides the heart, instead of our decisions being based in love for one another. When we talk about life issues, we spend more time talking about money than we do about God, and God is Love.

  48. Janice says:

    The CIA Doctors: Psychiatry & Mind Control

    http://www.cchrint.org/videos/experts/colin-ross/

    No More ADHD

    Dr. Mary Ann Block, Medical director of the Block Center, is an outspoken critic of children being diagnosed ADHD and put on drugs documented to cause tics, stunted growth, heart attack, stroke and sudden death. She describes how parents are being misinformed about the medical legitimacy of ADHD and the dangers of the drugs being prescribed to treat children. She encourages parents to have their child given a full medical examination to find underlying medical problems that are being misdiagnosed as a mental disorder.
    ( Of course we know that that disease is probably most likely caused from the now 48 immunizations and vaccines that they have given our children before they are 5 years old!)
    The more we learn about this government it is scary that they do things like a damn criminal would….well we are about to stop applauding them, we need a total change..not even Ron Paul is doing a damn thing about this…..)

    • christine says:

      The more to dig the more sickness in our government you find. As they say, how deep does the rabbit hole go?

      Janice, when you viewed this youtube video on the link/page, did it keep stopping with a whirling graphic in the middle? I find this happens on videos they want to discourge us from viewing without the youtube company being accused of deleting the videos. They don’t want us to know the truth.

      • Janice says:

        No Christine it doesn’t happen to me…I just checked it again and its perfectly clear….some video’s I watched on you tube, about the Finland doctor had actually been deleted and the author went back and re-filmed them.. She is being “watched”.

        Supposedly the government has asked Viacom who bought You Tube to submit to them all of the people’s emails that have been watching various video’s on youtube..to see probably, what they watched and their and to probably, put us on their Red/Blue or Yellow lists…so either way …if we take the Vaccine or not we could be later guillotined!
        LOL!
        It is so bizarre isn’t it that we have to think this way, about our own country and government…

        This is like surreal, I mean why do I have to live in this time and be aware of all this stuff….is it really happening or isn’t it?

        And are they brainwashing us over the internet….? They have such advanced technique’s now days for their mind control use…I still think I am on the right side of things but it makes yah wonder…

        I’ve always liked being prepared so maybe that is all I am seeking..so I am not caught off guard if it happens…and if it doesn’t then it was fun studying all it…!

    • christine says:

      You’ve got it. I think those coming out against vaccines would dig deep into the pockets of big pharma with lawsuits galore. We’d not only find the cure to our increasing number of diseases by stopping vaccines and also other drugs/prescriptions, that they have indeed been designed to make us sick from one side effect after another, an illness or crippling effect that can appear in an undetermined timeline, even years after taking a drug so it is less associated as the drug being the cause to avoid lawsuits. Job/income security for big pharma and all those who depend on these drug lobbyists. Have these drug dealers taken over our government?

  49. Janice says:

    A MUST SEE……..AND THEN PASS IT ALONG TO YOUR CONGRESSMAN AND SENATORS AND EVEN THE PRESIDENT IF YOU HAVE HIS EMAIL ADDRESS.
    WE NEED TO FLOOD THEM WITH THIS VIDEO…….AND ASK FOR AN INVESTIGATION DATING BACK TO 1914 WHEN THEY KILLED 20 MILLION WITH THE SMALLPOX VACCINE…

    Rauni-Leena Luukanen-Kilde on Swine Flu
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gAzAoCqJwY

    • Janice says:

      Bases 5 Part 1 Mind Control with Rauni Kilde
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpPXf0oLKRA&feature=channel

      • christine says:

        It would be a terrible waste of space if we earthlings were the only ones. I agree there is no death, we transform, leave our bodies and reincarnate again and again. People who have achieved high levels in meditation can create other bodies and travel. I call them angels but I have had several come to me to bring me helpful messages. I am a meditator, very spiritual.

        I think the chemicals in air, food and water have a lot to do with behavior, why there is more craziness in the world. If our food supply changes to GMO foods, more chemicals and no organic society overall will be ill-effected.

        We need more Lassie, Leave It To Beaver, and My Three Sons shows. :) The shows now are a form of mind control.

    • christine says:

      Sounds hopeful, like the elite will lose this fight for our lives and wellness, and we will win. She speaks about the Bilderberg group not being one-minded about killing millions of people via the vaccine. It has taken many, each from their own perspective with the information they have gathered to educate us all and PUSH BACK. May we be successful in eliminating the secret societies, corrupt individules and big pharma. I hope to see many more natural healing methods relied upon as our personal choices, as a result of this exposure to big pharma and corruptness in governments worldwide. We can see the damange our sick care systems have done to our health and well being for far too long. We need to take back our power, our own responsibilities and never give them over to others again.

      Thanks for sharing! I was glad to hear that the Bilderberg group is not one-minded about killing millions. Good to hear they are divided. That makes it more difficult for them to move forward on evil plans.

      When I heard that Obama had signed our rights to sue if we should be harmed by the vaccine + Jenny McCarthy’s and others like her targeting and exposing the vaccine creating autism, I thought this would alarm the evil intended ones. They do not want us to be brilliant about this attack on our immune system. We are become wise. More need to know then action to change things for the better will occur. The legal rights of all people who took vaccines into their bodies prior to this flu vaccine will have a right to sue for harm done. I said it before in this forum, that would drain big pharma of funds and put them out of business…good! The cases would bring more and more awareness, and it looks like this is the road we must travel to eliminate them from our lives and from their criminal influence over our governments worldwide. I think this is the hold they have over governments to get them all to cooperate with the vaccine. Not sure, just suspect it.

  50. Janice says:

    “SAY NO TO THE VACCINE”

    ***Check out Dr. Carley’s
    http://www.drcarley.com/Horrors_of_Vaccination_Exposed.pdf

    HORRORS OF VACCINATION EXPOSED AND ILLUSTRATED:

    PETITION TO THE PRESIDENT
    TO ABOLISH COMPULSORY VACCINATION (pdf) 1920 by Charles M. Higgins

    page 8 Wisdom and Law
    Every Law not based on Wisdom is a Menace to the State!
    A Sculptured Rebuke to Compulsory Vaccination
    Deaths denied and concealed-More deaths from the Vaccination than from Smallpox!

    page 10 Keynotes of American Rights and Libertes in Medical
    Matters
    #1 Keynote-Inalienable rights of the People=Declaration of Independence
    #2 Keynote-Reserved Rights and Powers Retained and Possessed by the People = U.S Constitution Article IX & X 1789
    #3 Keynote- Sovereign Rights of the People
    #4 Keynote- Preeminent Rights of the Individual Declared by the U.S. Supreme Court
    #5 Keynote- Compulsory Vaccination is Unconstitutional
    #7 Keynote- The U.S Government has no right to force a disease or an operation upon the people.
    #9 Keynote- Medical Freedom is an Inalienable Right
    #10 Keynote- Abolish Forced Vaccination
    “No form of vaccination or inoculation shall be compulsory upon any person, or be made a condition for the exercise of any right,privilege, duty of any person.”
    The Smallpox vaccine is actually , Cowpox/Cattle diseae or Foot and Mouth disease.that cows get and so what do they do but inject it into humans! (The same with the birds and the pigs….I mean I think we have a bunch of mad scientists and NWO order administration in Washington DC!) Many died from the vaccination in 1914, or acquired the disease of Pemphigus, which I have taken care of in the hospital’s within the past 20 years, huge blisters all over the body! The doctors never told us what it actually was. I just read this just now page 25!
    The more I am finding out about this H1N1, and what are government has been planning and concocting the more disgusted I am getting …….and not one of the Media or the Senators are talking about this I hope they know how upset we are with their freakin Ways and Means of Depopulating us……….What a bunch of assholes! Why the hell do we have spend hours researching this when our Congress should be bringing the makers of this and the CDC before them to testify that this thing is a huge danger to the people of this country and this world …all so some damn Pharmaceutical company plus a million other companies and services can make a buck on this genocide ! Where in the hell is Ron Paul and Kinvich or however you spell his name….these NWO agents in Washington are going to let this thing happen …….oh this makes me mad now…..that I has a nurse was taking care of someone with Cowpox and I could have gotten it myself ……..

  51. christine says:

    Pelosi is to introduce a healthcare bill that addresses HER concerns. Congress has not seen the bill. Will it come to the floor for a vote in a shortness of time that does not allow the sufficient time to read the bill prior to voting, without discussion, without committee and bypass our voice through our congressmen/women so the house majority party dominates the decision over how our healthcare will be handled? Jay Rockefeller visited Obama and told him he needs to get the healthcare bill out of committee.

    I would like to see Michele Bachman’s concept of insurance freedom that we control, just like our car insurance, if insurance is a must, be discussed more fully and repeatedly. It’s so simple. No government expansion (that in itself is a taxpayer $$ savings).

  52. christine says:

    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/record.xpd?id=111-h20090922-63

    “It’s really a strange phenomenon, ACORN. And from one acorn, we know that many nuts can grow.”

  53. christine says:

    Impending Mandatory Vaccinations Will Affect The Health, Jobs of Canadians
    http://preventdisease.com/news/09/092309_mandatory_vaccinations_Canada.shtml

    • sean says:

      Debunk: “There are no plans to make the vaccine mandatory for any Canadians, including health care workers…” and here’s Bill C6 which deals with consumer safety, not mandatory vaccination.

      http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/cps-spc/legislation/acts-lois/bill_c6-loi-eng.php

      Massachusetts Department of Public Health:
      “Many of you may have heard rumors that the Commonwealth of
      Massachusetts is planning to impose mandatory vaccinations as part of our response to the H1N1 (swine) flu pandemic. These rumors are not true. The Department of Public Health will not call for or authorize mandatory vaccination against the pandemic flu. There are no public health officials on the state, national, or global level calling for forced vaccination for
      H1N1. These rumors appear to be part of a deliberate effort to misinform concerned citizens about state and national pandemic response efforts.”

      About.com Urban Legends:
      -elaynetm

      • Janice says:

        National Strategy for Pandemic Influenza Implementation Plan
        Homeland Security Council May 2006…..signed by George W.Bush
        233 pages long……

        Read this: Chapter 8, page 18

        Law Enforcement,Public Safety and Security.
        http://www.flu.gov/professional/federal/pandemic-influenza-implementation.pdf

        • Janice says:

          Also, check out page 165
          The Law enforcement role in Containment
          STATE QUARANTINE
          All law enforcement,Federal,State,Local can enforce quarantine.
          If directed by the President of the USA, pursuant of the Insurrection Act,the military may suppress domestic unrest,associated with resistance to a State Quarantine.

          Well let it be known our government has thought through this flu/vaccine and possible Pandemic,from every angle. Whether they created it or not, I will say they planned it very well. I wonder who wrote this 233 page document? Do our Presidents sit down and write this stuff or who does it?

          To think that they have known about this for the past 3 years, and have been giving the Avian Flu and Swine Flu vaccines to the military since 1958 to 1976.

          And the soldiers were given it during the first Bush’s presidency during Desert Storm..in Iraq. Many of them are now ill from something…whether it was the Squalene in the Vaccines or the DU Bombs radiation they were exposed to but it was all denied by the Government then and still is….

          Then again don’t forget the “Agent Orange” /DDT, that the veterans were exposed to during Vietnam…

          Or don’t forget the A-Bomb testing in Nevada and New Mexico during the 50’s…shooting off one Mushroom Cloud a week for years and making the soldiers set as close to it as they could so they could run experiments on them as to how dangerous radiation exposure might be to them……! While we are home had test the tuna fish can after opening it to see if it “glowed” our mother would let us eat cuz Dad said it contained too much radiation…the bomb shelters in school and bomb drills every week…I remember those days Sean….I also, remember that my mom died of two different cancers……in the early 60’s….and many were dying of cancer in the USA from those bomb testing fallout…..

          How stupid can you get and you want us to believe and trust this government..I don’t think so…..let them try to give me their “kool-aid’ that Jim Jones gave his little society….no thank you…..that would be suicide to me to take the Swine/Avian Flu vaccine ……no way do I want some bird or animals DNA in me…..!

          And I think I read where 200,000 soldiers died from the flu or the flu vaccines in this 50 yr history of them giving it to all military personnel.

          I read that in a Scientist study online who studied why so recruits, came down with the Swine flu at Ft.Dix and they had been inoculated against it and no other exposure …..that was in 1976 and that is when President Ford came on the TV and said..”no others need to get the Swine Flu Vaccine…we discovered pigs can’t transmit it to humans…..” Right after I got it and nearly went into a respiratory arrest on the way home.! Thanks alot President Ford.

          Sean you haven’t lived long enough to see how stupid our government can be…..so you take the Vaccine and keep in touch with us over the next 12 weeks and we will see how you do…..I’ll not take it and see if I get it ……

          • sean says:

            Don’t forget about the time (1918) when the swine flu infected 1.6 billion people and the government did nothing. 100 million people died throughout the world. Some people would consider that a threat.

          • Janice says:

            sorry about the lack of words….my Dad told my mother back in the 50’s….if you feed the kids a can of Tuna Fish for lunch, make sure you when you open it, to take it to the closet and if the tuna glows in the dark, don’t feed it to the kids…..
            That was during the A-bomb testing going on during that time.

          • sean says:

            That’s very unlikely. A-Bombs can only destroy and infect areas in a 1-2 mile radius. They are designed to be used in strategic warfare, to attack military bases.

            Dumping nuclear waste is a totally different horrific story, but I’m not too sure if we did that. I know Great Britain and others have in the past. It’s a total shame.

          • Janice says:

            Sean……..that isn’t completely true…..they had no way of testing them back then…they didn’t have modern labs then, to test them then. Take note what is said about how they died….and what age group….that is why we who are concerned about this “Sqaulene” in the vaccines….it will cause the immune system when injected into our bodies to fight it off and consequently and eventually eat up its own immune system from it…that is one of the reasons why it doesn’t make sense. Our bodies do better by acquring the flu the normal way of transmission….its injecting us with it that messes up or own immune defenses and confuses the immune system……its not a natural way to gain immunity.

            1918 flu pandemic(Spanish Flu)

            Two American Red Cross nurses demonstrate treatment practices during the influenza pandemic of 1918.

            The 1918 flu pandemic (commonly referred to as the Spanish Flu) was an influenza pandemic that spread to nearly every part of the world. It was caused by an unusually virulent and deadly influenza A virus strain of subtype H1N1. Historical and epidemiological data are inadequate to identify the geographic origin of the virus.[1] Most of its victims were healthy young adults, in contrast to most influenza outbreaks which predominantly affect juvenile, elderly, or otherwise weakened patients. The flu pandemic has also been implicated in the sudden outbreak of encephalitis lethargica in the 1920s.[2]

            The pandemic lasted from March 1918 to June 1920,[3] spreading even to the Arctic and remote Pacific islands. It is estimated that anywhere from 50 to 100 million people were killed worldwide.[4][5][6][7][8] An estimated 500 million people, one third of the world’s population (approximately 1.6 billion at the time), became infected.[5]

            Scientists have used tissue samples from frozen victims to reproduce the virus for study. Given the strain’s extreme virulence there has been controversy regarding the wisdom of such research. Among the conclusions of this research is that the virus kills via a cytokine storm (overreaction of the body’s immune system) which explains its unusually severe nature and the concentrated age profile of its victims. The strong immune systems of young adults ravaged the body, whereas the weaker immune systems of children and middle-aged adults caused fewer deaths.[9]
            ]

          • sean says:

            They did test them, but radiation wont reach civilization if they are set off in the desert.

            I know all about cytokine storms, it happens to people with strong immune systems.

            Vaccines build up immune systems, they don’t destroy them. Vaccines are small doses of viruses. If you take the vaccine, there is no way to catch that strain of the flu. Most people only take vaccines when there is a new type of flu going around because you don’t have to take the same flu shot twice. Once you take it, you are immune to the virus for life.

          • Janice says:

            Medical complications

            Aluminum salts used in many human vaccines are generally regarded as safe;[36] however, a recent study revealed that aluminum adjuvants at levels comparable to those administered to Gulf War veterans can cause motor neuron death.[37]

            In veterinary medicine, particularly in felines, adjuvants have been linked to the induction of sarcomas at the injection site in a small proportion of vaccinations.

            Use as an adjuvant

            Vaccines originally contained a weakened or killed pathogen. Newer vaccines contain only pure proteins or protein fragments, which makes them safer. But the missing parts of the pathogen are part of the immune response. Adjuvants are used to replace those parts, and squalene is one of those adjuvants.[12]

            Since 1997, an influenza vaccine (FLUAD, Chiron) which contains about 10 mg of squalene per dose, has been approved in health agencies in several European countries. However, the Food and Drug Administration has not authorized their use in the United States.[13] Squalene is added to improve the efficacy of several experimental vaccines including pandemic flu and malaria vaccines. It is present in the form of an emulsion and is added to make the vaccine more immunogenic.[14] An adjuvant that uses squalene is MF59 and is Novartis’ proprietary adjuvant that is added to influenza vaccines to help stimulate the human body’s immune response through production of CD4 memory cells. MF59, is the first oil-in-water influenza vaccine adjuvant to be commercialized in combination with a seasonal influenza virus vaccine. It was developed in the 1990s by researchers at Ciba-Geigy, a Novartis heritage company, and Chiron, acquired by Novartis in 2006.[15]
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squalene

            Squalene: The Swine Flu Vaccine’s Dirty Little Secret Exposed
            Posted by: Dr. Mercola
            August 04 2009 | 332,246 views

            Why are Vaccinations Dangerous?

            The presumed intent of a vaccination is to help you build immunity to potentially harmful organisms that cause illness and disease. However, your body’s immune system is already designed to do this in response to organisms which invade your body naturally.

            Most disease-causing organisms enter your body through the mucous membranes of your nose, mouth, pulmonary system or your digestive tract – not through an injection.

            These mucous membranes have their own immune system, called the IgA immune system. It is a different system from the one activated when a vaccine is injected into your body.

            Your IgA immune system is your body’s first line of defense. Its job is to fight off invading organisms at their entry points, reducing or even eliminating the need for activation of your body’s immune system.

            When a virus is injected into your body in a vaccine, and especially when combined with an immune adjuvant like squalene, your IgA immune system is bypassed and your body’s immune system kicks into high gear in response to the vaccination.

            Injecting organisms into your body to provoke immunity is contrary to nature, and vaccination carries enormous potential to do serious damage to your health.

            (Scientists have used tissue samples from frozen victims to reproduce the virus for study. Given the strain’s extreme virulence there has been controversy regarding the wisdom of such research. Among the conclusions of this research is that the virus kills via a cytokine storm (overreaction of the body’s immune system) which explains its unusually severe nature and the concentrated age profile of its victims. The strong immune systems of young adults ravaged the body, whereas the weaker immune systems of children and middle-aged adults caused fewer deaths.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,FROM ARTICLE ABOUT SQUALENE SEAN……

            And as if Vaccines Weren’t Dangerous Enough on Their Own …

            … imagine them turbocharged.

            The main ingredient in a vaccine is either killed viruses or live ones that have been attenuated (weakened and made less harmful).

            Flu vaccines can also contain a number of chemical toxins, including ethylene glycol (antifreeze), formaldehyde, phenol (carbolic acid) and even antibiotics like Neomycin and streptomycin.

            In addition to the viruses and other additives, many vaccines also contain immune adjuvants like aluminum and squalene.

            The purpose of an immune adjuvant added to a vaccine is to enhance (turbo charge) your immune response to the vaccination. Adjuvants cause your immune system to overreact to the introduction of the organism you’re being vaccinated against.

            Adjuvants are supposed to get the job done faster (but certainly not more safely), which reduces the amount of vaccine required per dose, and the number of doses given per individual.

            Less vaccine required per person means more individual doses available for mass vaccination campaigns. Coincidentally, this is exactly the goal of government and the pharmaceutical companies who stand to make millions from their vaccines.

            Will There Be Immune Adjuvants in Swine Flu Vaccines?

            The U.S. government has contracts with several drug companies to develop and produce swine flu vaccines. At least two of those companies, Novartis and GlaxoSmithKline, are using an adjuvant in their H1N1 vaccines.

            The adjuvant? Squalene.

            According to Meryl Nass, M.D., an authority on the anthrax vaccine,

            “A novel feature of the two H1N1 vaccines being developed by companies Novartis and GlaxoSmithKline is the addition of squalene-containing adjuvants to boost immunogenicity and dramatically reduce the amount of viral antigen needed. This translates to much faster production of desired vaccine quantities.”[v]

            Novartis’s proprietary squalene adjuvant for their H1N1 vaccine is MF59. Glaxo’s is ASO3. MF59 has yet to be approved by the FDA for use in any U.S. vaccine, despite its history of use in other countries.

            Per Dr. Nass, there are only three vaccines in existence using an approved squalene adjuvant. None of the three are approved for use in the U.S.

            What Squalene Does to Rats

            Oil-based vaccination adjuvants like squalene have been proved to generate concentrated, unremitting immune responses over long periods of time.[vi]

            A 2000 study published in the American Journal of Pathology demonstrated a single injection of the adjuvant squalene into rats triggered “chronic, immune-mediated joint-specific inflammation,” also known as rheumatoid arthritis.[vii]

            The researchers concluded the study raised questions about the role of adjuvants in chronic inflammatory diseases.

            What Squalene Does to Humans

            Your immune system recognizes squalene as an oil molecule native to your body. It is found throughout your nervous system and brain. In fact, you can consume squalene in olive oil and not only will your immune system recognize it, you will also reap the benefits of its antioxidant properties.

            The difference between “good” and “bad” squalene is the route by which it enters your body. Injection is an abnormal route of entry which incites your immune system to attack all the squalene in your body, not just the vaccine adjuvant.

            Your immune system will attempt to destroy the molecule wherever it finds it, including in places where it occurs naturally, and where it is vital to the health of your nervous system.[viii]

            Gulf War veterans with Gulf War Syndrome (GWS) received anthrax vaccines which contained squalene.[ix] MF59 (the Novartis squalene adjuvant) was an unapproved ingredient in experimental anthrax vaccines and has since been linked to the devastating autoimmune diseases suffered by countless Gulf War vets.[x]

            The Department of Defense made every attempt to deny that squalene was indeed an added contaminant in the anthrax vaccine administered to Persian Gulf war military personnel – deployed and non-deployed – as well as participants in the more recent Anthrax Vaccine Immunization Program (AVIP).

            However, the FDA discovered the presence of squalene in certain lots of AVIP product. A test was developed to detect anti-squalene antibodies in GWS patients, and a clear link was established between the contaminated product and all the GWS sufferers who had been injected with the vaccine containing squalene.

            A study conducted at Tulane Medical School and published in the February 2000 issue of Experimental Molecular Pathology included these stunning statistics:

            “ … the substantial majority (95%) of overtly ill deployed GWS patients had antibodies to squalene. All (100%) GWS patients immunized for service in Desert Shield/Desert Storm who did not deploy, but had the same signs and symptoms as those who did deploy, had antibodies to squalene.

            In contrast, none (0%) of the deployed Persian Gulf veterans not showing signs and symptoms of GWS have antibodies to squalene. Neither patients with idiopathic autoimmune disease nor healthy controls had detectable serum antibodies to squalene. The majority of symptomatic GWS patients had serum antibodies to squalene.”[xi]

            According to Dr. Viera Scheibner, Ph.D., a former principle research scientist for the government of Australia:

            “… this adjuvant [squalene] contributed to the cascade of reactions called “Gulf War Syndrome,” documented in the soldiers involved in the Gulf War.

            The symptoms they developed included arthritis, fibromyalgia, lymphadenopathy, rashes, photosensitive rashes, malar rashes, chronic fatigue, chronic headaches, abnormal body hair loss, non-healing skin lesions, aphthous ulcers, dizziness, weakness, memory loss, seizures, mood changes, neuropsychiatric problems, anti-thyroid effects, anaemia, elevated ESR (erythrocyte sedimentation rate), systemic lupus erythematosus, multiple sclerosis, ALS (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis), Raynaud’s phenomenon, Sjorgren’s syndrome, chronic diarrhoea, night sweats and low-grade fevers.”[xii]

            Post Vaccination Follow-Up Might as Well Be Non-Existent

            There is virtually no science to support the safety of vaccine injections on your long-term health or the health of your children. Follow-up studies last on average about two weeks, and look only for glaring injuries and illnesses.

            Autoimmune disorders like those seen in Gulf War Syndrome frequently take years to diagnose due to the vagueness of early symptoms. Complaints like headaches, fatigue and chronic aches and pains are symptoms of many different illnesses and diseases.

            Don’t hold your breath waiting for vaccine purveyors and proponents to look seriously at the long-term health consequences of their vaccination campaigns.
            http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/08/04/Squalene-The-Swine-Flu-Vaccines-Dirty-Little-Secret-Exposed.aspx

          • Janice says:

            Sean it wasn’t the Swine flu it was the Spanish flu…..

            Here’s a movie you can watch online to see how stupid our government was with the our military…and the A-Bombs!

            Atom Bomb [Joe Bonica's Movie of the Month] (ca. 1955)

            http://www.archive.org/details/AtomBomb1946
            read the comments beneath the video….
            —————————————————————–
            Nuclear Weapons Newsreel – Atomic Bomb Testing In Nevada

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhAypMTT9Yc
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            Nuclear Weapons Newsreel – Nuclear Testing

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwzTH27XnD4&NR=1

            ————————————————————–

            Hiroshima A-Bomb

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYevZoMCC7A&NR=1

          • sean says:

            I’ll watch those movies tomorrow. The flu shots generally help people. It’s mainly for the old and young because they don’t have strong immune systems. 500,000 people die a year from the normal flu. It can be a dangerous threat and the shots do help.

            I would never take a flu shot just because I don’t get sick. I never get sick, I eat healthy and i’m very active. But some people do, I know people who don’t take the shot and get sick every year from it… I’ve heard a lot recently about bad vaccines but generally its okay.

            I’m more concerned about all the pesticides that get into our water. We use pesticides that are illegal in Europe. We bathe in it and drink it. Its all contaminated, you can’t clean it properly. 1/3 of sicknesses come from drinking water.

            http://www.flowthefilm.com/trailer

          • sean says:

            All the sewer drainage pipes were built throughout america in the 50’s. They are all starting to corrodes and are all going to deteriorate and we’re doing anything about it. Some cities are drinking Prozac and all kinds of drugs and chemicals flushed down the sewers. It’s going to be bad.

            I have class from 10 am to 9 pm and two test. Its so late!

    • christine says:

      Not debunked, Sean. Do not mislead people! Several countries have already moved into the mandatory phase and Massachusetts already has.

      Fined $1000 Per Day And 30 Days In Jail For Refusing The Swine Flu Vaccine In Massachusetts
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaiIWmxG1WE

      During a declared pandemic, medical emergency, the laws are different.

      • sean says:

        They aren’t going to mandate the shot. They did write legislation to give them powers to mandate it in case of a state of emergency, which I believe is wrong but others might see it as a last hope survival insurance.

        George Bush made a bill allowing martial law. I think it is crazy, scary, and horrible, but he didn’t use it and I doubt we will ever need to. You would seriously have to be racist to think that obama would declare martial law. He is a kind guy. He carries different philosophies as we do, but he isn’t evil. Anyone with good character would judge obama based off of his passion for his own “utopia.”

        • christine says:

          Back peddling now? You don’t know that they won’t use these laws. Our government is not the same government it once was.

          Do you know about incrementalism? They know we as Americans would strongly object to our freedoms being taken so they have figured out a way to override them, a little bit is put in place at a time…for the future, which is very near now. The flu season has begun and the vaccine is contaminated with ingreadients that should not go in your body unless you want to develop diseases in the future. It may also be lethal, several reactions to this vaccine.

          If left alone, the flu would come and go, but someone’s been busy in a laboratory.

          I believe the NWO folks see people like Jenny McCarthy coming too close to exposing the truth. Others are also catching on to the real damage caused with ALL vaccines. The elite have used this as a means to make us sick and feed big pharma big bucks. We REALLY DO HAVE A SICK CARE SYSTEM! Our food supply, water, air…all chemicals. And the governmetn wants to be our healthcare provider. That pisses me off!! They sit around the table and in congressional hearings like we don’t even exist, our voices not heard, talking about how OUR HEALTH CARE will be handled. Excuse me! Their job is not to be our healthcare provider but to clean up our water, air and food supply!! Then maybe we would not need healthcare and that certainly would reduce our healthcare costs for real! They all should be fired (except Ron Paul, Alan Grayson and the like). We need real people discussing our issues.

        • christine says:

          The only ones who are racists are the ones who bring it up. It’s on their mind, not mine.

          • Janice says:

            I don’t know about you, but in my lifetime I have been discriminated against at the University of Michigan,when I applied for the,clinical’s of the BSN program, my African-American co-worker got in without ever having attended the program at all. I had and got “A’s” and was told they had a “quota” to meet…they told me and many more my color to attend a university 80 miles away. At the time I thought I had to pay for what people had done to the “slaves” hundreds of years ago. This video mentions that and no we don’t have to pay….it is we now, Europeans who are being ethnically genocided……a different twist on things but it doesn’t make me a racist it makes them one.

            Systematic Ethnic Genocide
            ( of people of European Decent)
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic4VUdeAA4Q&feature=related

          • christine says:

            Yes, I’ve been discriminated against. That’s why I said what I said. It was on their mind, not mine.

            Unfortunately we have these neat little forms to fill out that perpetuate and legally perpetrate rascism. And constantly going over the history of rascism and talking about it, as if any of us were there, just causes the resurfacing of feelings that regenerate the ill-feelings towards others. And when this happens it’s from and towards people who were not even in the orginal historical events, people who do not hold rascist views. Color does not make the person, but the content of their character surely does. Obama is being judged by the content of his character. If he didn’t promise and then lie so much. Besides, he is both black and white so how could race be the issue?

    • Janice says:

      Here’s what’s coming next Christine…..this I think is the surveillance they were talking about in;

      National Strategy for Pandemic Influenza Implementation Plan
      Homeland Security Council May 2006…..signed by George W.Bush
      233 pages
      .Law Enforcement,Public Safety and Security.
      http://www.flu.gov/professional/federal/pandemic-influenza-implementation.pdf
      Reply

      I saw it in the index but I didn’t understand what they were talking about, now maybe I do….after reading this article tonight…..
      (Reuters) – Shares of VeriChip Corp (CHIP.O) tripled after the company said it had been granted an exclusive license to two patents, which will help it to develop implantable virus detection systems in humans.

      The patents, held by VeriChip partner Receptors LLC, relate to biosensors that can detect the H1N1 and other viruses, and biological threats such as methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus, VeriChip said in a statement.

      The technology will combine with VeriChip’s implantable radio frequency identification devices to develop virus triage detection systems.

      The triage system will provide multiple levels of identification — the first will identify the agent as virus or non-virus, the second level will classify the virus and alert the user to the presence of pandemic threat viruses and the third level will identify the precise pathogen, VeriChip said in a white paper published May 7, 2009.

      Shares of VeriChip were up 186 percent at $3.28 Monday late afternoon trade on Nasdaq. They had touched a year high of $3.43 earlier in the session.

      (Reporting by Mansi Dutta in Bangalore; Editing by Mike Miller and Anil D’Silva)

      The ironic thing about this Verichip is that if any of you are aware of Hulda Clarks PH.D in biochemistry research on the EMG’s of all living things…a virus has a certain EMG well most things are under 750 EMG.s and Humans are around 100,000…so virus’s and bacteria are easily killed very simply……and Hulda was deported out of the USA by the FDA…if you want to know about this read her books….but anyway here they have a company who wants to slip a chip in us for a big buck cost and all she was doing was trying to make us aware of how to destroy the things that try to destroy us…..bacteria, virus’s,parasites,fungi,…..by the way rest her soul she died this past month……She was a great scientist that was way ahead of her time…..but thank god she gave those secrets to us practically free…….I’ll also be using her suggestions in my own home for the treatment of this Virus……as well as Vitamin D-3. Her contribution to our health will live on forever……..

      • christine says:

        Yes, the corruption and use of money and politics, incrementalism towards the NWO in action. Information is used either negatively against us or positively to for us. The NWO folks have a nack of using info negatively and destructively. They turn this info into something that sounds like it is for us and a positive thing to attract believers and followers, sheeple. What kind of world are they actually creating. It’s so far away from what is natural. We were already given an immune system, have info on proper nutrition, have health care that has been labeled as “alternative” when it is actually the original way. They do the same with having to go the extra mile and expense to label “organic” foods instead of labeling GMO foods or chemically treated foods as a warning! It is the nature of negativity. Negative energy operates in the opposite direction from natural, God-given, already exist. You could rightly say and conclude that the NWO folks are fighting against God. That’s deceptively arrogant and egotistical. It’s apparent in all of their actions be it the use of money/currency-energy, politics/God’s laws, natural intelligence-connectionto God-intuition/brainwashing, medicine-drugs/nutrition-healing practices that support the body’s natural immune system, war/peace, on and on.

        • Janice says:

          Wow Christine ……you have the entire picture of what is happening….I”m so glad you see the Spiritual side of things too….they are really trying to get rid of us and for what or why? So they can have this world all to themselves? The thing is with this vaccine they have created they too will take it and they too will die mostly likely…..why they want to destroy us and to think that they will be passed by when they are releasing all of this radiation DU bombs,GMO seeds,Avian/Flu vaccine,Chemtrails biowarfare…..why aren’t any of them dying or a better question is how are they immune to it…..
          If they are human than they will get something from all their pollution they are aerating the earth with…..
          Well, we know God created this earth and us and he will not let them destroy us for an eternity….they’ll get there’s after their plans are for us are finished……..
          Well take care keep researching ….and if we can get our own little groups praying against them I think we would see faster results for the better for us……!

    • Janice says:

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      http://thelightofdayradioshow.com/archives/RBN-BACKUP/WAA_5-09-09_Hr1_Ad-Free.mp3

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      Website: http://www.drcarley.com/

      Scroll down Sean to read more about the 1918 Vaccine!
      I didn’t know they had a given everyone vaccines against the Spanish Flu until reading this doctors account of what happened back then……so I learn even more about it.

      THE 1918 INFLUENZA EPIDEMIC WAS A VACCINE-CAUSED DISEASE
      E. McBean (Vaccination The Silent Killer p28)

      Very few people realize that the worst epidemic ever to hit America, the
      Spanish Influenza of 1918 was the after effect of the massive nation-wide
      vaccine campaign. The doctors told the people that the disease was caused
      by germs. Viruses were not known at that time or they would have been
      blamed. Germs. bacteria and viruses, along with bacilli and a few other
      invisible organisms are the scapegoats which the doctors like to blame for
      the things they do not understand. If the doctor makes a wrong diagnosis
      and treatment, and kills the patient, he can always blame it on the germs,
      and say the patient didnt get an early diagnosis and come to him in time.

      If we check back in history to that 1918 flu period, we will see that it
      suddenly struck just after the end of World War I when our soldiers were
      returning home from overseas. That was the first war in which all the known
      vaccines were forced on all the servicemen. This mish-mash of poison drugs
      and putrid protein of which the vaccines were composed, caused such
      widespread disease and death among the soldiers that it was the common talk
      of the day, that more of our men were being killed by medical shots than by
      enemy shots from guns. Thousands were invalided home or to military
      hospitals, as hopeless wrecks, before they ever saw a day of battle. The
      death and disease rate among the vaccinated soldiers was four times higher
      than among the unvaccinated civilians. But this did not stop the vaccine
      promoters. Vaccine has always been big business, and so it was continued
      doggedly.

      It was a shorter war than the vaccine-makers had planned on, only about a
      year for us, so the vaccine promoters had a lot of unused, spoiling
      vaccines left over which they wanted to sell at a good profit. So they did
      what they usually do, they called a meeting behind closed doors, and
      plotted the whole sordid program, a nationwide (worldwide) vaccination
      drive using all their vaccines, and telling the people that the soldiers
      were coming home with many dread diseases contracted in foreign countries
      and that it was the patriotic duty of every man, woman and child to get
      “protected” by rushing down to the vaccination centers and having all the
      shots.

      Most people believe their doctors and government officials, and do what
      they say. The result was, that almost the entire population submitted to
      the shots without question, and it was only a matter of hours until people
      began dropping dead in agony, while many others collapsed with a disease of
      such virulence that no one had ever seen anything like it before. They had
      all the characteristics of the diseases they had been vaccinated against,
      the high fever, chills, pain, cramps, diarrhea, etc. of typhoid, and the
      pneumonia like lung and throat congestion of diphtheria and the vomiting,
      headache, weakness and misery of hepatitis from the jungle fever shots, and
      the outbreak of sores on the skin from the smallpox shots, along with
      paralysis from all the shots, etc.

      The doctors were baffled, and claimed they didnt know what caused the
      strange and deadly disease, and they certainly had no cure. They should
      have known the underlying cause was the vaccinations, because the same
      thing happened to the soldiers after they had their shots at camp. The
      typhoid fever shots caused a worse form of the disease which they called
      para-typhoid. Then they tried to suppress the symptoms of that one with a
      stronger vaccine which caused a still more serious disease which killed and
      disabled a great many men. The combination of all the poison vaccines
      fermenting together in the body, caused such violent reactions that they
      could not cope with the situation. Disaster ran rampant in the camps. Some
      of the military hospitals were filled with nothing but paralyzed soldiers,
      and they were called war casualties, even before they left American soil. I
      talked to some of the survivors of that vaccine onslaught when they
      returned home after the war, and they told of the horrors, not of the war
      itself, and battles, but of the sickness at camp.

      The doctors didnt want this massive vaccine disease to reflect on them, so
      they, agreed among themselves to call it Spanish Influenza. Spain was a far
      away place and some of the soldiers had been there, so the idea of calling
      it Spanish Influenza seemed to be a good way to lay the blame on someone
      else. The Spanish resented having us name the world scourge on them. They
      knew the flu didnt originate in their country.

      20,000,000 died of that flu epidemic, worldwide, and it seemed to be almost
      universal or as far away as the vaccinations reached. Greece and a few
      other countries which did not accept the vaccines were the only ones which
      were not hit by the flu. Doesnt that prove something?

      At home (in the U.S.) the situation was the same; the only ones who escaped
      the influenza were those who had refused the vaccinations. My family and 1
      were among the few who persisted in refusing the high pressure sales
      propaganda ,and none of us had the flu not even a sniffle, in spite of
      the fact that it was all around us, and in the bitter cold of winter.
      Everyone seemed to have it. The whole town was down sick and dying. The
      hospitals were closed because the doctors and nurses were down with the
      flu. Everything was closed, schools, businesses, post office everything.
      No one was on the streets. It was like a ghost town. There were no doctors
      to care for the sick, so my parents went from house to house doing what
      they could to help the stricken in any way they could. They spent all day
      and part of the night for weeks, in the sick rooms, and came home only to
      eat and sleep. If germs or viruses, bacteria, or any other little organisms
      were the cause of that disease, they had plenty of opportunity to latch
      onto my parents and “lay them low” with the disease which had prostrated
      the world. But germs were not the cause of that or any other disease, so
      they didnt “catch” it. I have talked to a few other people since that
      time, who said they escaped the 1918 flu, so I asked if they had the shots,
      and in every case, they said they had never believed in shots and had never
      had any of them. Common sense tells us that all those toxic vaccines all
      mixed up together in people, could not help but cause extreme
      body-poisoning and poisoning of some kind or another is usually the
      cause of disease.

  54. Joe says:

    I brought my daughter to the doctors office last week (she needed a physical in order to play school sports) Even though I have Bule Coss / Blue Shield the receptionist asked if I knew for sure that my insurance would pay for it, when I hesitated she informed me that I could pay $55 now or they will submit it to my ins. company BUT if my insurance kicks it back the charge will be $225 dollars. When I ask “how can this be?” she replied “it’s because of the red tape, handling and paper work involved”

    Can someone please answer this question?

    If the red tape between my doctor and Blue Cross / Blue Shield increases the cost of a simple physical by 150% how will creating another massive government red tape layer decrease the cost of health care?

    http://www.LivingObamaHell.com

    • Janice says:

      Yep. I just called to get a doctors appointment too and they said they deal in “cash only”, the first visit would be $250 for which I have to pay them for and then they will submit the visit to my insurance and when they repay them they would reimburse me of whatever they paid for it.!
      Also, if our congress wants to make sure that our insurance premiums come down in this new bill they are writing……then they first must make sure that DOCTORS STOP CHARGING OUTRAGEOUS AMOUNTS FOR THEIR SERVICES! That is the problem in the high cost of premiums is the doctors and hospitals are charging inflated prices and have been for the past 15 years!!!!!!!!!!!
      Congress knows that there is fraud going on these hospitals….charging for items and tests that were never done or given…..they know that with all of these specialists that each of us are referred to that they charge outrageous prices so about at least 2-3 doctors get a piece of the Money Pie…and so of course the insurance companies have to charge more for their premiums because doctors and hospitals and specialists are charging more for their care……..
      Again, Government never goes to the source or the cause.never really fixes anything never listens to their constituents….they just are a bunch of lawyers up there writing some complicated nonsense……….
      Get rid of the “For Profit Hospitals and Nursing Homes and Assistant living facilities”………
      and make THEM become Federal Hospitals……then they would either have to work for less or not work at all…….
      IN fact we should have at least one hospital that went broke and bankrupt in each town the then have the government buy it up and we will have a choice to go to it or not

    • christine says:

      A lot of so called “medicine” is a scam, big pharma, for profit not quality of care or genuine healing practices. People need to use the power of choice and seek alternative means that support the body’s natural immune system. This is why our immune system is systematically under attack via our food supply, our water and our air. It’s all for profit and control over the people.

      Healthcare insurance is not a solution to true healing. Insurance is an additional, perpetual expense designed to make others wealthy. One head of an insurance company, in a congressional hearing aired on c-span the other day admitted to her salary…. $728,000 a year!! That’s just one person in that one company. Spread that around to several insurance companies and you will see vividly why the government wants to get in on the action. Hey, don’t leave the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, a federal corporation out of the profits (sarcasm).

      The root of the problem is our entire medical philosophy, practices touted as the best, but in the times where we are brainwashed that what is good is actually bad, we need to use our own intelligence, our own minds and make our own choices for what really helps us be in good health. Only use services that do that, make your choices and put your money into what truly works. Don’t leave your health up to so-called professionals. It’s our own responsibility… and it starts with clean air, water, food, exercise and eliminating toxins from our bodies that cause disease in the first place. What we have come to rely on in the medical profession has been perverted to perpetuate business and profit, not to help us heal.

      NO INSURANCE PLAN WILL FIX THIS PROBLEM.

    • christine says:

      During a discussion of the health care debate, I heard someone say that with the government’s proposed health care exchange, we would be paying them premiums for 4 years before we received any benefits. Sounds like breaking the law to me. Isn’t it money in exchange for services rendered?

      Given the history with social security and all the money people put into it, the government saying now that funds are nearly or are exhausted, doesn’t it make you wonder what would happen with all the premiums pre-paid with any government controlled health care plan?

      If we pay premiums to the government, given the enormous profit margins in the health insurance industry, given that they are the culprits behind chemicals in our food supply, GMO foods, laws passed to purposfully hamper organic gardening, taking control over our farms, chemicals and drugs in our water supply, chemtrail chemicals in our air supply, government in bed with big pharma controlling our health care system as it is, pushing vaccines worldwide that have known side effects to cause disease that are also possibly lethal, wouldn’t the profits from a government health insurance, that we pay for by premiums, be used to further their plans of attack on our immune system? Wouldn’t we in essence be paying for our own ill-health? You bet. How ridiculous is that? Unless and until they stop all the other known attacks (air, water, food, medical), how could we ever possibly trust them with our health care?

      Some naturopathic doctors are also MDs. They opted out of the corrupt sick care system to offer health care that works.

    • David B Daniels Hyde Park Mass says:

      The answer you seek is all in the red tape.

  55. VR says:

    The Case for Killing Granny
    Rethinking end-of-life care.
    http://www.newsweek.com/id/215291

  56. Janice says:

    Nurses, would you go to work during a Pandemic?
    No 1,905 21.83%
    Yes 5,546 63.54%
    undecided 1,277 14.63%

    Voters: 8728. You voted on this poll.

    http://allnurses.com/pandemic-flu-forum/will-you-work-258506.html

    Scenario:

    H5N1 (the bird flu) mutates to become efficient at transmitting Human to human causing a Pandemic, with a case fatality rate of 60% and with 80% of the cases in the 0-40 year old age range.

    see:
    http://www.wpro.who.int/NR/rdonlyres…/0/S4_1113.jpg

    Hospitals will be quickly overrun. Hospital staff shortages are 50%. The Government orders all nurses to work. There is not enough Personal Protection Equipment (N95 masks, gloves, goggles, tamiflu, vax, etc)

    Home quarantines become common (in the Fed plans).
    Your family is also quarantined in your home. You are running out of food and the Government promises you will be “taken care of” if you report to work.

    Will you go?

    • Janice says:

      one nurse comment concerning whether she will work or not…

      Pandemic or not, my family comes first. Sorry, but its not my problem that they have not invested enough money for PPE, staff and research;nor, should I risk my life trying to accommodate their mistakes.

      I am quite sure that you aren’t going to see any politicians or high level government officials out there helping, if we were to have the scenario that was presented………..I’m sure that they will be bunkered down.

      another: How can I be ordered to work if I’m quarantined???

  57. Janice says:

    Nurse sues Chicago cop who arrested her
    September 21, 2009 10:03 AM | No Comments

    An Advocate Illinois Masonic Medical Center nurse has filed a civil lawsuit against a Chicago police officer and the city of Chicago, claiming the officer arrested her for wanting to consult with a supervisor before collecting a blood sample from a suspected drunken driver.

    Lisa Hofstra was the nurse in charge of the emergency room at Illinois Masonic about 4 a.m. on Aug. 1 when she said an officer named Rodriguez asked her to take blood samples from a man to determine his blood-alcohol level, according to a lawsuit filed in federal court. Hofstra allegedly told the officer the man had to become a patient first and she wanted to consult with her supervisor.

    The officer cuffed her and placed her in the back of a squad car, according to the lawsuit.

    The lawsuit claims Rodriguez, who is not fully named in the complaint, used excessive force by placing the handcuffs on Hofstra too tightly and arrested her without probable cause.

    Hofstra is seeking an unspecified amount of damages.

    —Kristen Schorsch

  58. Janice says:

    New York State Requires Flu Vaccination for Caregivers

    “The State Health Department is requiring tens of thousands of health care workers across the state to be vaccinated for flu, amid fears that the swine flu will return in the fall. The new regulation, quietly adopted as an emergency on Thursday, affects workers at hospitals, in home health care agencies and in hospice care but, because of a technicality in state law, not in nursing homes.”

    NY Times, August 18, 2009

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/19/he…er=rss&emc=rss

    “It should be that worker’s choice and not someone up in Albany.”

  59. Janice says:

    Study links 45,000 U.S. deaths to lack of insurance

    Sept 18, 2009

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Nearly 45,000 people die in the United States each year — one every 12 minutes — in large part because they lack health insurance and can not get good care, Harvard Medical School researchers found in an analysis released on Thursday.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/domes…58G6W520090918

    • christine says:

      Insurance does not get to the root of our problem. The problem really is that we believe in a monetary based society. Everything we have and do is based on how much money. Money is used to control, oppress, manipulate and dominate. We have mistakenly come to believe that money is power. It is said so often, it must be true, right? Money is not power…unless we believe it is. Money is little pices of paper. And we let people die from the lack of it. We allow ourselves to be controlled by those who have a lot of it, when they have only self-interests. We allow it to govern and reduce our choices in life. Considering these little pieces of paper are just that, and are printed out of thin air, it seems to make the most brilliant minds look ridiculous.

      Some day, perhpas in 2012 when the belief in money is exhausted, we will return to a humanitarian belief system and no one will go without.

      David Icke “What is Money?” from Radical Truth Knowledge and Revolution
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peiTfY7Bx4c

      Check out the Venus Project, not that it has to be the way, but it just shows us there are other thoughts and belief systems that lead to a more prosperous and healthy society. Creatives get busy! Let’s not be sheeple too much longer. If you listen to so many discussions, listen for the intrusion of money. It invades our lives like no other belief. People do wrong towards others for it, for profit, the earth is destroyed for it, and people who wish to do good can’t get their plans off the ground for the lack of it. What is wrong with us?! We allow this.

      • sean says:

        That is where you and everyone else are totally wrong. The root of the problems in our economy have to do with how productive it is. You can have any system of money ever dreamed of but it is worthless without a productive economy. I could have a million dollars worth of gold but it does no good if I can’t turn it into tangible items. I would have to turn to Chinese manufactorers, which is good for their economy.

        There is no economic theory needed to explain this, just compare the united states economy to china’s.

        • christine says:

          The error in your thinking is still stuck in “economy”, money based beliefs.

          In a society that is not money-based, there is no economy. We pursue humanitarian services for each other and the earth because it is what is needed. Decisions are not based on profit or money, which is where corruption begins. We have not known this sense of freedom in eons, and yet you still opt for justifying the limiting nature of money printed out of thin air and disregard the damage and waste of effort, discussions, time and resources spent needlessly while those that are needed are not pursued simply because there is no profit in it. I see what this belief has led to, the here and now, and the here and now is not even satisfactory. People die from the lack of money and we allow that to happen. People with money corrupt systems and lord control over others, allowed to steal the wealth of others. The belief in money is insanity. That we ascribe power to money, pieces of paper or presious metals or electronic blimps on a cash machine is a system that is outdated and does not serve our needs.

      • Willschillin says:

        I’m a newly awoken Obama supporter who now realizes after voting for him (McCain would be any better)and almost worked for the Federal Reserve, but they didn’t give me the job (go figure)

        Having said that, I believe now more than ever after researching the Fed Reserve and the criticisms of their founding, operation and practices I’ve found that Christine is correct.

        Youtube search Venus Project, or Zeigiest or just click here:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gKX9TWRyfs

        This is very disturbing along with the the CODEX food stuff…we’re doomed if all we do is blog and rant on the Internet…this is crazy!

        As soon as you start trying spread the word to people who don’t know any better…they’ll tell you youre crazy conspiracy theorist.

        9-11-2001 was not perpetrated the way we were told, if you need any evidence of that its all over the net. But you NEVER hear the media say anything but buy the government story. I have done a ton of research on this alone and I can tell you one thing – WE ARE LIED TOO, ALL THE TIME!

        When are we as a nation going to wake up? We need to band together and demand serious answers on serious issues.

        This notion that we need to not know things like 9-11 for instance or that you may no want to know these lies and deceits is telling in and of itself.

        The majority of the country is in lala land. Its crazy and pathetic if you ask me.

        Christine, great post…keep up informing people of the world as it is versus the world as we want to know it.

        RON PAUL 2012!

  60. sean says:

    I’ve heard so many conflicting stories on the H1N1 virus. First it was Obama set off to makes millions from tamiflu stock.

    I heard the government was going to depopulate the earth.

    And then I heard that it is actually Rockefeller who is out to depopulate the earth.

    And then I heard it was the drug companies trying to mutate us so they can keep selling us medicine.

    I wonder who is really out to get us.

  61. longshotlouie says:

    Swine flu ‘could kill millions unless rich nations give £900m’
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/20/swine-flu-costs-un-report

  62. Janice says:

    Why can’t I see the email comments after the date of September 4th?
    I receive them in my email but they are not here when I get here to the site. ? Who is doing this?

    • christine says:

      Do you mean the comments before the date of September 4th? There is an “Older Comments” link after the oldest comment towards the bottom of the page in each forum.

      • Janice says:

        I went into manage my whatever and I had Healthcare blocked!
        So I unblocked it and now they are there…..thanks for your concern Christine.
        I heard Len Horowitz on Coast to Coast about a month ago and he was adamant then about us not taking the flu vaccine, I”m glad he is doing something about it..thanks for all your blogs to help us get to the right sites……..I’ve emailed my senators many times about it but they never reply back…..
        It doesn’t do any good to call their interns either because they are given no info by the senators that they work for,to tell us.

        I heard that Obama is going to give all those government officals staffers free money to pay off all their schools loans…….Sounds like a bribe to me, that way none of them dare talk bad about the government……..or think for themselves…..

        I wonder if they are going to take it?

  63. christine says:

    Len Horowitz files pandemic charges against Rockefeller
    http://www.theflucase.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=647%3Alen-horowitz-files-pandemic-charges-against-rockefeller&catid=1%3Alatest-news&Itemid=64&lang=en

    LOS ANGELES, CA — Drug-industry investigators have uncovered documents exposing an international drug ring, operating from New York City, is behind the H1N1 swine flu fright and vaccination preparations.

    Dr. Leonard G. Horowitz and Sherri Kane, an investigative journalist, have released evidence in legal affidavits that leaders of a private global biotechnology “trust” are behind the pandemic flu, including its origin and alleged prevention via vaccinations. Their documents, being sent by attorneys to the FBI this week, evidence industrialists are operating a crime ring within the “Partnership for New York City” (PNYC), and are behind the pandemic’s creation, media persuasions, vaccination preparations, and health official promotions

    “David Rockefeller’s trust, that engages several powerful partners on Wall Street, including media moguls Ruppert Murdock, Morton Zuckerman, Thomas Glocer, and former Chairman of the Board of Directors of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, Jerry Speyer, are implicated in advancing global genocide,” Dr. Horowitz wrote to FBI directors.

    • sean says:

      I hope justice is served.

    • christine says:

      Dr. Leonard Horowitz’s Affidavit (lengthy)
      http://www.fluscam.com/Affidavit.html

      I hope we are all safe now, that the FBI and our judicial system acts quickly, that the vaccine campaigns will STOP…and all vaccines will be investigated for the harm they do. Then we can heal and need healthcare a lot less, diseases will disappear. That is TRULY a savings on our health care expenses, an improvement of our healthcare system and an improvement of our health and well-being!!! People are going to start to question and distrust western medicine practices more and more …and all those side effects mentioned after each TV ad will be taken seriously!! We’re going to become more responsible for our own health and well-being.

      Our world will change dramatically because the people will become less toxic, healed and more whole human beings. And may “alternative” and eastern healing practices become the way.

      • longshotlouie says:

        Thanks for that post. It is on dozens of liberty sites now.

        Heave Ho ! We’ve just begun.

      • christine says:

        My concern is this… the FBI has the affidavit, but they are the FEDERAL Bureau of Investigation…as in the FEDEARL government. Does the FBI protect the Federal Government, the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, a federal corporation or does it protect Americans? They don’t seem to be moving fast enough on this vaccine issue for my liking. Jane Burgermeister filed her evidence with the FBI too …I think in April of this year. I haven’t heard of any FBI action. That’s a real problem.

  64. Ellswortht says:

    Two liberals vs. a thinking person. Listen carefully to the rhetoric espoused by the two liberals: They really don’t say anything.

    http://www.ronpaul.com/2009-09-10/were-broke-so-why-do-we-even-argue-about-government-healthcare/

    My question to Scheiner: When was the last time you treated a patient for free?

    Why should the insurance companies give free coverage? Why don’t we force doctors to work for less pay? The liberal argument makes as much sense.

  65. Cindy says:

    Dr. Paul, are you standing up for us when it comes to this Swine Flu scam? The vaccine being tested currently doesnt carry the adjuvant Squalene, which is known to cause auto-immune disorders. Just like in the 70’s, the vaccine being tested is not the one they will actually be giving out. Those of us with auto-immune disorders already cannot take this added insult to our systems. Many of us could end up in wheel chairs, paralysed.

    Dr. Paul, are you standing up in Congress to tell them that the numbers being given out in the media about Swine flu deaths are severely over-reported? Are you helping us in this????

  66. Janice says:

    The Swine Flu Vaccination ‘Scandal’

    The first thing the General wanted to warn about was the dangers inherent in taking the proposed “Swine flu” vaccination. He said that the Swine flu vaccination was a “complete scandal” that “will produce antigens in your body that you don’t need” and the “will produce some viruses that your body may not contain.” His warning serves as a CONFIRMATION of what the alternative health camp have been trumpeting all along: the attempt to force the Swine flu vaccination agenda is intended to POISON you and not protect you. My advice continues to be: AVOID any and all vaccines–at any cost.

    General Jeremiah also added that “it was going to be very difficult for your military and government employees to reject” taking these vaccines, “but if you can in any way, please do.”

    I might add my own comments to his warming: the quarter million men and women of the US armed forces who have already died as a result of being poisoned with the “special” anthrax vaccination given to them in preparation for the first attack against Iraq in January of 1991, serve as a silent testimonial and reminder to current members of the armed forces that the Pentagon and government are under the control of NWO traitors and fifth columnists who are intent on destroying this country, its people, and its military defenders. *

    (* See Gary Matsumoto’s 2004 book, ‘Vaccine A: The Covert Government Experiment That’s Killing Our Soldiers–And Why GI’s Are Only The First Victims’ ) .

    http://educate-yourself.org/cn/generaljeremiahcallsagain29jul09.shtml

    Chemtrail Mitigation

    The General announced that after three years of research by a very large team of scientists aboard their (15 miles long, 5 miles wide) mother ship, the Alliance, that they had succeeded in developing what he described as a “serum” to neutralize the poisonous elements of chemtrail sprayings and render them harmless. He said that his group had begun deploying the serum into earth’s atmosphere at the beginning of July 2009, utilizing 2,000 spacecraft daily around the globe and added that “hopefully, we’ll have that problem solved within a few weeks.”

    This is clearly good news for billions of people worldwide, whether they are aware of chemtrail spraying or not. It’s interesting to note that earlier in the show I had alluded to the apparent failure of the chemtrail poisoning operations to “work” for the Illuminated Ones, but last night we were given a stunning confirmation from the United Galactic Federation of their assistance in helping to rid our atmosphere of these toxins, for which we are most grateful (of course, we continue to recognize and honor the tremendous assistance which we have received all along from the giant air elementals, the Sylphs, and those awakened members of humanity whose thoughts, focused intent, and prayers have helped to cripple this diabolical genocidal operation). Anyone paying attention to the skies may have noticed a marked upswing in blue-sky days of late, especially in June and July 2009. The chemtrail poisoning agenda won’t be fully curtailed until the the military and civilian TRAITORS who are enabling and carrying out these chemtrail spraying operations STOP their murderous involvement and collusion in this most heinous act of betrayal and genocide.

  67. Janice says:

    Sean…check these sites out….these are the good guys and they are human too….those ET looking things are the bad UFO’s..
    Christine I hope you listen to it too….General Jeremiah is watching over us…..and they believe in God and they know about the shadow government……and the Swine/Avian……they will be trying to intercept for us….

    http://web.mac.com/is/search.html?x=9&y=16&q=May+29th+General+Jeremiah&lang=en&GUID=CA421234-FAA6-4EF3-924B-E54D84C265C0&path=%2Fdonnicoloff%2Fdirectlightproductions.com%2FEvident_Footprints%2FEvident_Footprints.html&static=false

    ttp://web.mac.com/donnicoloff/directlightproductions.com/Evident_Footprints/Entries/2009/5/29_Entry_1_1.html
    Tuesday, July 28, 2009
    EVIDENT FOOTPRINTS with Don Nicoloff / Ken Adachi / Gen. Jeremiah, Hr. 2

    In Hour 2 of Ken Adachi’s informative interview, we are joined by Gen. Jeremiah, who shares some exciting information about the collapse of the “SARS” scare, the bogus “bird/swine flu pandemic,” th…

    http://web.mac.com/donnicoloff/directlightproductions.com/Evident_Footprints/Entries/2009/7/28_Entry_2.html
    Tuesday, July 28, 2009
    EVIDENT FOOTPRINTS with Don Nicoloff / Ken Adachi / Gen. Jeremiah, Hr. 1

    Journalist and metaphysical scientist Ken Adachi shares his views with Don regarding the orchestrated takeover of the U.S.A (described in the Communist Manifesto and other doctrine), the ‘usurper’ …

    http://web.mac.com/donnicoloff/directlightproductions.com/Evident_Footprints/Entries/2009/7/28_Entry_1.html

  68. Janice says:

    Christine…..this scares me even more….cuz they could just put that virus in a Chemtrail…….which they are probably doing anyway, but now they want to make sure we get that vaccine by having us inhale it! God help us! Can you believe that our government has turned into doing such hideous criminal acts against the USA like this! I’m sorry but I think this has to be how they are going to depopulate us…..I mean this is absolutely , the most disgusting, cold and cruel government I have ever seen in my days……
    #
    CDC: 3.4 million inhalable H1N1 vaccine doses available soon
    Health officials expect more than 3 million doses of H1N1 flu vaccine to be available in the first week of October.
    CNN – Sep 18 2:06 PM

    • christine says:

      The U.S. government (cartel at present) certainly has a plan. Our Federal Government is a Federal Corporation (U.S. code), so it behaves with the corporate mentality and favors corporations (bailouts)…profit, fraud and corruption! The corporation went bust with their scams and lies (wars, 911, social security), not “we the people”. The shadow government is to blame. I believe they have been and are going through a corporate restructing plan and they all knew, not a surprise or accident.

      Since all governments have agreed to vaccinate, we have to wonder WHO is forcing them all to comply and by what means do they have such control over the world’s governments. This is an indication of the UN and WHO (funded, founded by Rockefellers)kind of control that is so anit-freedom, but where we are headed if our politicians don’t get their head out of their arsses and soon. This is the direction the elite want us to go. This flu vaccine is much bigger than the U.S. Obama was the top pharaceutical salesman convincing other governments to vaccinate entire populations. This is worldwide population reduction.

      The contents of vaccines has always been a vehicle to introduce disease to guarantee profits for big pharma. As the number of diseases has grown without cures, so has corporate big pharma (and illegal drug trafficing). With Jenny McCarthy and the like coming out with the connection to autism/vaccine, and info shared on the web, I think this is financially threatening to the elite, threatening their source of revenue through big pharma. They don’t want us to be so bright as to choose health!

      Notice in all the discussions over healthcare, they don’t even bother to bring on chiropractors, herbalists, massage therapists, nutritionists, health food (organics), energy healers, acupuncturers, meditation, yoga, those who practice more eastern “medicine”. Why? We have been brainwashed into thinking that big pharama and western doctors had the answers. People actually get well using eastern medicine. Reduces big pharma’s profits. The only ones who give presentations from the “medical” community on the healthcare issue are doctors, hospital reps. One could say, money is making us sick!!

      They start out the debate in the middle, controlling our thoughts from the getgo… private health insurance or government. Like we only have two choices to discuss concerning our health, and these are the only healthcare issues. I DON’T THINK SO! http://www.livingquests.com

      If the government really cared about our health and well-being, if we had a fuller picture of the REAL healthcare issue (not just about insurance), then people would see this debate for what it really is.

      End to chemtrails in our air. These chemtrails have been sited over other countries as well. If the government really cared about our health, they would not have even allowed it. or are they just in this for the profits made through insurance, yes!

      End floride in our water. It’s profitable though because they make us sick and a new business sector started selling us water.

      End their plan for genetically modified foods devoid of proper nutrition. End their plans to control farms and cause more complications for the organic farmer to put them out of business.

      End the scare tactics of manufacturing one crisis after another and blaming it on outside terrorists.

      End the financial stress by overburdoning taxpayers who are loosing jobs, income, homes, freedom, liberties, opportunities to live fully and happily. Stress in the body, mind and soul causes disease. Dis-ease.

      You see, Obama’s presentation of care for American’s is a fraud and a fake just like he is. And Jay Rockefeller says he loves Obama. Obama allows and favors what makes us sick over what would allow the body to heal itself. This is all an attack on your immune system for profit and population reduction! This is control of your mind….or a test in your ability to control you and your own mind.

      Janice, I watched a group of republicans yesteday on c-span who are banding together to fight what people in America fear the most, the end to America. The healthcare issue is a part of it. They are big on ending the healthcare bills that are currently circulating …and instead suggesting the brightest idea yet. This is what I have been saying in this forum…either this way or no insurance (just me and the doc). Insurance is a constant aditional and continual healthcare expense. Perhaps if we addressed the other issues listed above, we would not need so many health care services in the first place!!

      The plan they suggested is… You control health insurance just like your car insurance, buy from whomever you want, in whatever state, how much coverage you want, in collective groups that we form ourselves, is not connected to your job. That’s freedom! Michele Bachman, Eric Cantor, McConnel to name a few.

      • christine says:

        P.S. I encourage everyone to listen to these videos on Codex. This will ill-affect and take over our food supply, our health and well-being if not stopped. If you feel you and your health are being attacked from all directions, you’re not alone.

        End Codex Alimentarius!! It’s start date is December 31, 2009.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCB832r9tuk&feature=related

        http://www.livingquests.com
        http://www.livingquests.com/flu_vaccine_crimes.html
        (Air-Food-Water as Weapon tab)

      • Janice says:

        Thanks for expounding on my comments Christine…..your better at doing it than I am…and I agree totally with you. I know you are as a “awake” as I am…I’ve been studying this now for several years. There are so many now awaking up as “they” escalate the depopulation and their take over of the world…..Yah know that there really aren’t that many of them.
        Our numbers are greater as long as we do not die.

        They are all related ….check out the genealogy of our Presidents and Congressman.and if they are not genetically related, then they are related in Philosophy with an Elitest mentality.

        By the way Ron Paul……FYI…:”they” have the money…..all of those in their Elitest Clubs and Brotherhoods……they took it, and continue to confiscate more and more from other countries as well…. so that when all of us …..maybe 90% of us are gone they will have all the money…..it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure that out……obviously they won’t let you audit it ……that would reveal who the Secret Order is ..!

        They want us to revolt,and riot…. so don’t….stay calm OR they will shut down the internet,and claim Marital Law…….

        I don’t know if anyone realizes this but we could pray those suckers away and pray they fall and fail! Pray they give us back our freedoms and restore our constitution our nation.

        God is waiting for us to call upon HIM to send his warring angels to do battle for us in the Spirit. What I think we should do is have a national prayer day on this Wednesday….as Obama heads up the UN meeting.
        We should all pray for exposure of the truth about the UN and Obama and his cabinet. Just ask God to Reveal the TRUTH.
        We want their leaders exposed and their motives exposed we want their intentions exposed and who is actually dictating to our Presidents in the past 30 yrs…..and all enemies of the truth must GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO from this earth now,in Jesus Name!
        What we need to do is to pray throughout the day and this week:

        Finally, my friends and neighbors, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armour of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
        For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places….
        So Stand with faith and truth in prayer to God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all to stand… Ephesians 6:1 0-18

        • christine says:

          Together we get the message out and the message is spreading! I’m thankful the web is still operating so we have the opportunity to receive/give updates and do our research. Some are producing and preparing CDs to pass out to neighbors. If the web goes down the message can still get out. Flyers work too. Any way we can let people know, however we can afford to do it helps us all. We are here to help each other. On the http://www.livingquests.com website, I downloaded youtube videos and coverted them to quicktime in case the youtube site goes down. These quicktime videos can be saved to a CD and passed out.

          It’s a good time NOT to be an elitist. :) They are on the run. They can’t fool all of the people all of the time!

          Life is presious. So is our health. We will rebuild our wealth. Ron Paul’s fed bill will help a lot with that!

          I saw Ben Bernanke on TV today. He looks like he’s losing weight and his face/sinus area looks swollen. Perhaps all this attention the FED is getting is making HIM sick!

  69. Herewe Goagain says:

    WINNIPEG, Manitoba (Reuters) – The Canadian government sent body bags to some remote Indian reserves as it prepared for the winter flu season, sending a jarring message at odds with its promise that it’s ready for the H1N1 flu.



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