In these United States of America, one of the wealthiest countries on the planet, many people cannot afford even basic health insurance. They suffer severely under the present system and have to live under the constant fear of not knowing what they will do if they or their loved ones ever fall seriously ill.
But in many cases, insured individuals aren’t much better off either. In comparison to the exorbitant insurance premiums they pay, the medical care they receive is often very poor.
Additionally, due to the government-enforced monopolies of HMOs (Health Maintenance Organizations) and pharmaceutical companies, many patients will never even hear about some of the most effective and non-invasive treatment methods. These natural and inexpensive ways of regaining one’s health are being suppressed by the FDA and the medical establishment not because of safety concerns (they’ve been around for hundreds of years), but because they cannot be patented and would therefore cut into the pharmaceutical industry’s profits.
The current system is most definitely broken, and it must eventually be abolished if we want regain both our health and our freedom.
Forced nationalization is the worst possible answer. To get elected, many politicians promise “free” medical care for everyone. But health care nationalization in European countries resulted in longer waiting periods, severe lack of choice, deterioration of health care quality, prohibition of alternative health treatments, higher taxes, and sadly (for some) permanent illness or death because they could not get the care they needed.
Also, a nationalized system is not “free” at all because someone has to pay for it. And why should anyone be forced to pay for someone else’s medical care? Very few decent people would personally assault their neighbors at gunpoint and steal thousands of dollars to pay for their own medical needs. How could any freedom loving person agree to delegate such criminal acts to the government by supporting a nationalized health care system?
There is only one solution that will lead to true health and true freedom: making health care more affordable. Ron Paul believes that only true free market competition will put pressure on the providers and force them to lower their costs to remain in business. Additionally, Ron Paul wants to change the tax code to allow individual Americans to fully deduct all health care costs from their taxes.
Through these measures and the elimination of government-sponsored health care monopolies a much larger number of people will be able to finally access affordable health care, either by paying for medical insurance or by covering their medical expenses, which are now much lower, out of their own pocket.
As for the poor and the severely ill who can neither obtain insurance nor pay for the medical care they need, Ron Paul offers the following solution in his book “The Revolution: A Manifesto“:
In the days before Medicare and Medicaid, the poor and elderly were admitted to hospitals at the same rate they are now, and received good care. Before those programs came into existence, every physician understood that he or she had a responsibility towards the less fortunate and free medical care was the norm. Hardly anyone is aware of this today, since it doesn’t fit into the typical, by the script story of government rescuing us from a predatory private sector.
Illegal aliens already receive de-facto free health care. Why can’t poor Americans have the same… not as a right, but as a charitable benefit provided by doctors who feel a personal responsibility for their fellow citizens?
Unfortunately, the current medical monopoly corrupts many doctors by rewarding practices that are not in the patients’ best interest. Pharmaceutical companies have a vested interest in not curing people, but getting them permanently addicted to expensive drugs that have many side effects, thereby requiring additional drugs to suppress those side effects. Many doctors are afraid to speak up and question the system for fear of being ostracized by their peers or even losing their license.
Under a liberated health care system prices would come down and additional options would become available, thereby making health care much more affordable. Moral corruption would give way to true compassion, and many doctors would remember their implicit obligation to provide free medical care to those in need, just like they did in the past.
As a medical doctor, Ron Paul swore the Hippocratic Oath many decades ago. His entire person and career is a monument to the beauty and sanctity of human life. Ron Paul knows that life without health can be very difficult and is not what it was meant to be. He has personally cared for the poor for many years, without asking anything in return.
The government’s original role is to protect our freedoms and restrain itself from causing too much harm. Ron Paul is working to prevent greedy bureaucrats, opportunist politicians and corrupt pharmaceutical companies from having any sort of unhealthy influence over our bodies and minds.
Join the Ron Paul Revolution and help us put the government back where it belongs: to Washington DC and out of our daily lives.
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Fake Food and Supplement Safety Bills Remain a Threat
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/article.php?view=417
Take Supplements or Herbs? Not For Long if McCain Has His Way!
McCain Bill S 3002 to Kill Supplement Access Generates Huge Opposition!
Looks like McCain found a new way to soft kill people, make them sicker and weaker, the warmonger that he is.
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I agree with your New World Order theory Christine, but what does that have to do with Socialized Medicine? And who does not really want it? The Rich don’t want it neither do the wealthy pharmaceutical companies (the private sector).
As far as a NWO- you are entering a very complex subject. Most people want it if it satisfies the status quo .
“deduct all health care costs from their taxes.” What is there to deduct after you go bankrupt?
“why should anyone be forced to pay for someone else’s medical care? simple-it makes sense!
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Can Americans afford to pay for more government employees salaries and benefits, the likes of which we do not have or can afford? More employees due to the expansion of govt that would result if this bill passes.
Is the govt successful at running programs? Military yes, got big bucks for that. But medicare and social security are going bust. The programs for the people fail when in the hands of the govt.
This govt is too corrupt to be put in charge of my health!
And if this govt was so concerned about the health and well being of its citizens it would stop flying over towns with chemtrails that contain barium, harmful chemicals we breathe and that go into our soil, take fluoride and pharmaceuticals out of our water, stop taking over the farms and giving Monsanto the go ahead with GMO foods and seeds that lack proper nutrition in our food and their chemical sprays, injections into cattle, contaminated vaccines for everyone, on and on…….hey how about he undo stress (that reduces the health of our immune systems) from losing jobs and homes…allowing Wall Street to run rampant and the FED to do it’s wilds with the money supply.
Control the money supply, control the people.
Control healthcare, control the health and death of the people.
Control the food supply, from garden to the table, control the people.
Control, control, control = NWO
They are no more concerned about our health and well-being as evidenced by the results of their own handiwork. We are living it.
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Urgent Briefing from Congressman Ron Paul and John Tate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVrpEXFvZJs&feature=player_embedded
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This healthcare bill must be critical to their NWO, controlled demolition of America, or they wouldn’t be pushing so hard for something we don’t want them to control.
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I like many of Ron Paul’s ideas but the medical one has only some truth to it. We are our brother’s keepers when it comes to medical. The analogy to go to a neighbor and force him at gun point to pay for another’s medical expenses is insane comparison. Damn right the other guy has to pay his part in keeping State Hospitals going even if he does not have a retarded child. Damn right he has to pay for the soldier who is battle stressed etc.. Medicare and Social Security is a must have! Socialized Health care can be tailor made. You can have choices! Do you homework people.
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Every congressman who conspired to violate the 10th ammendment constitutional rights of every american should be arrested and charged with the felony listed in 18 USC 241 and 242 -” Conspiracy against rights and Deprivation of rights under color of law”. There is no exception for congressional discussion. They are all guilty and they all should be arrested. The maximum penalty is death.
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Health insurance companies started out providing health insurance and have evolved into medical management corporations.
Modern health insurance encompasses both catastrophic health coverage and routine medical care.
If the concept of insurance is to hedge against unexpected loss or harm, like in the case of fire, flood or car insurance, then why are health insurance companies handling anticipatory expenses such as mammograms, blood tests and vaccinations? This is not insurance, this is pre-paid medical care.
Compared to comprehensive health coverage, catastrophic health insurance is affordable, easily understandable and likely to be accepted by the public. Universal catastrophic health insurance would resolve the uninsured issue. It would provide a humanitarian service that all Americans will eventually need but that few people would exploit. After all, how many people want to have a stroke or suffer physical trauma? Like fire, flood and automobile calamities, health calamities are generally avoided when possible.
Prepaid healthcare, on the other hand, is expensive, has inherent waste and could be exploited, making universal coverage unpopular with the public. Paying an insurance/medical management company a monthly fee so that they can then fund your annual mammogram, for example, adds a middleman that drives up cost without adding value.
Americans have uncharacteristically relinquished their purchasing power, creating a unique situation in which the patient is the consumer, but the insurance/medical management company is the customer. Patients pay the insurance/medical management companies who in turn, employ doctors. Doctors make their income by properly filing paperwork, not necessarily by satisfying patients.
If obtaining non-emergent and preventative healthcare were turned over to patients in a free market, patients would seek value, service, convenience and/or expertise in accordance with their values. Prices would be readily available to the public and simplified. Competition and downward pressure would reduce patient costs.
Implementing a Food Stamps model, routine and non-emergent healthcare would be available to everyone. And like groceries, out of pocket expenses ought to be tax-free.
The current insurance/medical management companies offer little value in administering non-emergent and anticipatory healthcare, consuming an estimated 40% of healthcare dollars. Returning non-emergent healthcare to the public could result in an immediate 40% reduction in healthcare spending.
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In order to change our current healthcare system we must first identify the problem.
Cost from:
Physicians
Hospitals
Pharmiceuticals
Catastophic Illnesses
Charges to administer these Costs:
Healthcare Companies
HMO / PPO
Self Insured entities
Solution:
Use a UCR medicare fee schedule for all Medical and Hospital services
Fee schedule Pharmeaceuticals.
Cap the administrative costs for Healthcare Insurance companies to administer there plan etc. 20%.
Cap the amount of profit a Healthcare Company can declare etc. 5%.
Cap the % profit Pharmaceutical Company can charge on a prescrition drug.
Lets not make this a complicating situation. Once we eleminate the greed and selve serviant politicians, this issue on healcare can easily be resolved.
Thanks,
Dr. Anthony Calzaretto
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Why is it again that we need an entity, a middle man who adds not one iota to our health care, who charges us to even go to see the doctor? I forget.
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We don’t need a middleman, insurance. It is not healthcare. We could likely end up paying premiums and not afford the actual healthcare services. Many of us are at that point already. What we truly need is not the “promise” (as we know how Mr. O delivers on his promises….NOT), that the new healthcare plan will lower healthcare costs, ha! If you expand the government with more agencies to control healthcare, and taxpayers pay for government employees salaries and great benefits (the rest of us do not get), then how can it possibly lower costs?? Thinkaboutit!
Government programs fail. Look at social security, robbed of funds. Look at medicaid…broke and in debt.
Look at corporate bailouts. This healthcare bill would be the bailout for the health insurance industry, picking winners and losers, and it would feed the govt even more of our money! and we know how well they do with our money now don’t we? What do we get in return? Programs that are insufficient and broken. $2.6 trillion dollars just lost, lost (defense budget) and no one presses them to find the social security money that has been invested into the social security program that citizens will never see the benefits from. A financial heist of the American people. The bailout for Wall Street was a done deal in short order. It has taken years of paying politicians to argue and fight over the healthcare bill (when they should be paying attention to other matters they were hired to accomplish)…and we’ve been paying their salaries and benefits for an undeliverable, unwanted program!! Stop wasting the time and our money I say and get to work on job creation and rework the home loans of millions of Americans. It was not their fault the FED lowered the value of homes.
The healthcare bill is unconstitutional and will lead to more governmental control over our lives. Perhaps if our government wasn’t so corrupt we wouldn’t object so strongly, but it is and we do! object that is…and we do so strongly.
As long as we have health insurance companies…. Instead, pass a law that makes it illegal for health insurance companies to use “pre-existing conditions” as an excuse not to provide medical coverage. The government could have done this long ago. Pass a law that disallows extremely high increases in health insurance premiums to unaffordable.
What we need is ….
Do away with health insurance companies altogether. Criminal anyway. We need to reduce crime in corporate American.
Lower healthcare services and medicine, privacy between us and our doctors, no electronic records that could be seen by anyone, and that “anyone” within the govt could dictate the services that will be provided to us. No! No! Absolutely NO government healthcare program.
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Not bad Anthony,
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Ron Paul you Have to save Our country
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PLEASE RUN IN 2012!!!! America needs you, Ron.
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We don’t need health insurance in this country at all. That is an additional healthcare cost, not healthcare itself. These companies are criminal, making huge profits off people’s illnesses. They also try to dictate the kind of care, over doctor’s recommendations.
What we need are lower costs to healthcare services and medicine, period. The records should remain private between doctor and patient only, no electronic system that could be viewed by whomever. Otherwise, our records will end up to no good purpose, against us, especially with this criminal administration and government who have depopulation and corporate profits on their minds, not being of service to the America people. Our government has forgotten they are suppose to be in service to the American people, not the other way around. They are tending to look at us as sources of income only, not that they really care about us or our health. They have parted from the constitution.
If the govt cared about our health, they would not fly planes over us creating chemtrails (harmful barium) in our air supply, no genetically modified foods that lack nutrition and full of chemicals, nor put fluoride in our water to create illnesses such as thyroid disease and osteoporosis, nor colluded with the wall street corps and the FED to bring about this recession, depression, joblessness, mass foreclosures and the stress it causes. Next will be the closing of more businesses as they default on their commercial loans, then even more job losses, then those folks will be unable to make their mortgage payments, then even more foreclosures. And they say that illness is one of the main causes of a foreclosure….well, they are doing a good job at creating dis-ease.
Since one of the arguments we repeatedly hear in favor of govt controlled healthcare is the insurance company’s use of pre-existing conditions to disqualify applicants of coverage (so they make a larger profit). Why has Washington D.C., Mr. O, or Pelosi never put forth a bill and passed a law that makes this an illegal practice already if they are so darned concerned about our welfare???????
Why have they not made some of the practices of healthcare insurance companies illegal so they better serve our needs up to this day? Because they never intend to. What Mr. O’s plan is purposing would be criminal. Just look at his laundry list of lies and broken promises since taking office. Trustworthy? I think not. Just look at all their other programs — social security and medicaid nearly broke, where did the money go that everyone contributed. Why are they not pressed to confess, find the money and put it back into these programs? These people who contributed to these program their whole working lives have been swindled. With this kind of track record, who would hire them to be in charge of our health????!!! They don’t qualify to serve the American people.
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Well, what he says about European health care is simply not true. I am from the UK, where a much maligned health care system actually provides an absolutely wonderful service for the vast majority of people. It is a single payer system, not a “free” system, where every single person who is employed pays a national (as apposed to a personal) insurance premium each and every month, where the amount charged is a percentage of the person’s income. This greatly lowers the cost for everyone (because the government negotiates lower prices from drug companies and health providers) as well as building a massive pool of money for use, by all, whenever they should need it (for most people that time, will of course, come later in life). This is unlike personal insurance premiums in this country that simply insure a person for the duration of the policy and do not ensure any kind of cap on bills should something truly unexpected happen after the policy has expired. For instance, when you get laid-off from your job that provides your coverage and then get cancer. Not fun.
So, in conclusion, health care is better (life expectancy is markedly longer), and far cheaper. Still sound like a terrible system? Personally, I don’t care who organizes the system, perhaps the government itself is not the best way, but it is hard to argue with the health and cost benefits. I would be more in favor of health care (and other essential services such as schooling) being organized at a much more local level, promoting competition while still capitalizing on the benefits of a larger pool of money. Everyone should be helping to pay for the care of people who simply cannot work (children and the elderly). The idea of relying on charity is frankly scary and unrealistic in this modern world of self-interest and greed. I really like a lot of Ron Paul’s policies and philosophies, but some of the things he states here as fact are simply not true – not a good sign of his future trustworthiness. And boy, do we need some trustworthy politicians in this country.
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I can see where he’s going, but my only problem is the doctors that want to perform charitable benefits.
I’m not sure if there will be enough doctors or any doctors that will be willing to do any form of charity.
I like the idea where people with a larger income can pay and support the people that can’t afford health care. If what Ron Paul say is true and there will be doctors around willing to do some work for free or for very low price, then I support Ron Paul completely with this issue.
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Here is a great letter written by Dr. Len Horowitz… A total info warrior sticking it hard to the elites.. We need more people like this guy.. What a legend….
http://www.rense.com/general37/open.htm
Peace I Am
P
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Go to http://www.fluoridealert.org the Fluoride Action Network…..and send your congressmen a letter to ban the Fluorisisic Acid posing as Sodium Fluoride in our drinking water.
Big Corps are selling their Industrial Toxic Waste to our nationwide drinking water. The Federal EPA regulates the amount of toxic dose at 2ppm to 4ppm.
It has been in our drinking water for more than 50 years. It messes up our thyroids, there are now 59 million of us with hypothyroidism in this nation. And it demineralizes the bone, the EPA told me it is what the new disease is called now …..which is Osteoporosis.
I have have been diagnosed with both in the past five years.
My fluoride level in my blood is 1.6ppm, and I don’t even drink it , I get artesian well water, 10 miles away from where I live. All I do is shower in it , probably 3-4 gallons of water loaded with fluorosisic acid …….is being absorbed through my skin , the largest organ of the body. I want it out of my water ….so my bones can get restored .
Please take a look at the website…..we need to get this neurotoxin out of our drinking water now………
What do you think?
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Our dental industry is running amuck…there are dentists in this country using FORMALDEHYDE and lead in root canals (permanently sealing it in the tooth) and the FDA and our dental industry have known about it for DECADES, have strongly opposed it but for some reason that I can’t figure out are looking the other way. The group of supporters have for decades been claiming some form of FDA approval, including in 2003 where they claimed full FDA “Phase III(final testing)” when it wasn’t true. They still claim some kind of FDA approval, still don’t have it but FDA knows about it and does nothing. The FDA has stated that there is not a single drug/device that has formaldehyde as it’s active ingredient has been approved/cleared. This stuff, commonly known by Sargenti Paste but also N2, RC2B, RC2W, contains formaldehyde has its active ingredient and has been responsible for untold numbers of serious injuries. These dentists don’t tell their patients because they know its a malpractice lawsuit in the making. We two patients and a relative started a website to alert the public, since we can’t count on our dental community to do it, and to pressure our regulatory industry to get off their duffs and stop this. Please always ask your dentist before you let them do work…. A recent email from a high ranking Am Dental Assoc member says “The ADA, AAE, and the FDA have already concluded that Sargenti Paste is not demonstrated to be safe, cannot be commercially produced and promoted, and should not be used. The problem is that enforcement authorities are not pursuing those who compound it for the dentists who are using it.” to which I asked, then why don’t you tell the american public about it so they don’t become victims like us. No reply to that question. more information at http://www.worstrootcanalever.com. Please help us protect others from our fate.
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Heavy Fire Fom the Left:
Health Care Bill Wouldn’t
Have Helped Your Mom Obama
http://www.breitbart.tv/heavy-fire-fom-the-left-health-care-bill-wouldnt-have-helped-your-mom-obama/
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This Could Be Big and NOW is the time
Have I told you all that the time is NOW to work and attack the problem – we can’t wait – here is proof.
GOP candidate Scott Brown (Lt. Colonel, Army National Guard), faces off against Democratic state Attorney General Martha Coakley in a Jan. 19 special election.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJEEQHOnI2Q
How can we all support this man? Those that live up in Massachusetts – the former Kennedy empire (as per David Gergen) – get out and support this guy – take every one you can – get the old folks out of the nursing homes – empty the churches – the rest of us need to at least pray for you.
Note that he DOES NOT let David Gergen get away with the elitist attitude that the Massachusetts Senate seat was anything other than a seat belonging to the people.
This Army Col obviously has leadership beyond what we have seen at the highest levels of our government for a very long time – we need leaders like Scott Brown.
Time to put your money where you heart is – Scott Brown has already raised a good deal but let’s show our distain for the health (Insurance) fiasco and drive his dollar amount as high as it can. Just a few bucks each to defeat the bill is worth it. And to upset Barney Frank.
https://www.icontribute.us/scottbrown/initiative/moneybomb
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This brief video on the unconstitutionality of the Health Care Bills shows the insidious nature of the “health care” legislation which is not about care…but about death.
http://www.larouchepac.com/lpactv?nid=12946
Joseph G.
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UNCONSTITUTIONAL – THE FRAUD OF THE HEALTH CARE BILL.
December 29, 2009 (LPAC)—The fascist secret clauses in the Senate health-care bill — attempting to forbid any future Congress from changing any of the provisions relating to the dictatorial, genocidal Independent Medicare Advisory Board — were inserted into the bill during closed-door meetings in Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s office, not by an amendment duly considered by the Senate.
The subsection of the Senate bill which we reprint below, entitled “LIMITATION ON CHANGES TO THE BOARD RECOMMENDATIONS,” was not in the Senate Finance Committee bill as approved by the committee on October 13, and printed on October 19 — even though the committee version contain much of the exact language surrounding this subsection which was incorporated into the final Senate bill. Nor was it in the House bill HR 3962. This subsection first appeared in the so-called “Substitute Amendment” filed in the Senate on November 19, after a month’s worth of secret discussions and negotiations in Reid’s office. Unlike proceedings in committees, or on the Senate floor, there is no record of what took place in Reid’s office, although a number of accounts reported that the Obama White House was deeply involved in the secret negotiations.
The language in the Nov. 19 “Substitute Amendment” became part of the final bill passed by the entire Senate on the morning of December 24. This subsection is found on pages 1001-2 of the final bill, as printed by the GPO.
Following is the subsection of the final Senate health-care bill, subsection (d)(3), part of Section 3403, which attempts to prohibit any future changes to IMAB recommendations, or even to this subsection itself!
H.R.3590
Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Engrossed Amendment as Agreed to by Senate)
SEC. 3403. INDEPENDENT MEDICARE ADVISORY BOARD.
(a) Board-
(1) IN GENERAL- Title XVIII of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395 et seq.), as amended by section 3022, is amended by adding at the end the following new section:
‘INDEPENDENT MEDICARE ADVISORY BOARD
‘Sec. 1899A. (a) Establishment- There is established an independent board to be known as the ‘Independent Medicare Advisory Board’.
‘(b) Purpose- It is the purpose of this section to, in accordance with the following provisions of this section, reduce the per capita rate of growth in Medicare spending—
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‘(d) Congressional Consideration-
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‘(3) LIMITATION ON CHANGES TO THE BOARD RECOMMENDATIONS-
‘(A) IN GENERAL- It shall not be in order in the Senate or the House of Representatives to consider any bill, resolution, or amendment, pursuant to this subsection or conference report thereon, that fails to satisfy the requirements of subparagraphs (A)(i) and (C) of subsection (c)(2).
‘(B) LIMITATION ON CHANGES TO THE BOARD RECOMMENDATIONS IN OTHER LEGISLATION- It shall not be in order in the Senate or the House of Representatives to consider any bill, resolution, amendment, or conference report (other than pursuant to this section) that would repeal or otherwise change the recommendations of the Board if that change would fail to satisfy the requirements of subparagraphs (A)(i) and (C) of subsection (c)(2).
‘(C) LIMITATION ON CHANGES TO THIS SUBSECTION- It shall not be in order in the Senate or the House of Representatives to consider any bill, resolution, amendment, or conference report that would repeal or otherwise change this subsection.
‘(D) WAIVER- This paragraph may be waived or suspended in the Senate only by the affirmative vote of three-fifths of the Members, duly chosen and sworn.
‘(E) APPEALS- An affirmative vote of three-fifths of the Members of the Senate, duly chosen and sworn, shall be required in the Senate to sustain an appeal of the ruling of the Chair on a point of order raised under this paragraph.
Here is Subsection (c)(2)(A)(i) and (C) laying out the requirements for IMAB proposals, referred to above:
(2) PROPOSALS-
‘(A) REQUIREMENTS- Each proposal submitted under this section in a proposal year shall meet each of the following requirements:
‘(i) If the Chief Actuary of the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services has made a determination under paragraph (7)(A) in the determination year, the proposal shall include recommendations so that the proposal as a whole (after taking into account recommendations under clause (v) will result in a net reduction in total Medicare program spending in the implementation year that is at least equal to the applicable savings target established under paragraph (7)(B) for such implementation year. In determining whether a proposal meets the requirement of the preceding sentence, reductions in Medicare program spending during the 3-month period immediately preceding the implementation year shall be counted to the extent that such reductions are a result of the implementation of recommendations contained in the proposal for a change in the payment rate for an item or service that was effective during such period pursuant to subsection (e)(2)(A).
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‘(C) NO INCREASE IN TOTAL MEDICARE PROGRAM SPENDING- Each proposal submitted under this section shall be designed in such a manner that implementation of the recommendations contained in the proposal would not be expected to result, over the 10-year period starting with the implementation year, in any increase in the total amount of net Medicare program spending relative to the total amount of net Medicare program spending that would have occurred absent such implementation.
In subsection (d)(4) following this, pp. 1002-4, entitled “Expedited Appeals,” there is a clause (v) which reads:
‘(v) WAIVER AND APPEALS- This paragraph may be waived or suspended in the Senate only by the affirmative vote of three-fifths of the Members, duly chosen and sworn. An affirmative vote of three-fifths of the Members of the Senate, duly chosen and sworn, shall be required in the Senate to sustain an appeal of the ruling of the Chair on a point of order raised under this section.
And then, on p. 1013, it is specified that no one can appeal an action by the Secretary of Health and Human Services implementing recommendations of IMAB:
‘(5) LIMITATION ON REVIEW- There shall be no administrative or judicial review under section 1869, section 1878, or otherwise of the implementation by the Secretary under this subsection of the recommendations contained in a proposal.
There are a dozen or so other times in the Senate bill where appeals of actions are also barred — most of which deal with cost-cutting measures such as “comparative effectiveness research” and similar Nazi-type methods.
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Gangsters and Banksters…not the type of people our orignal founding fathers had in mind to hold positions in our government…to serve the people. Americans are opposed to suit-wearing profiteers, drug pushers or warmongerers in the white house.
We are also opposed to the many ways the government is attempting to make us sick via chemtrails, codex alimentarious, fluoride in our water supply, ALL vaccines including the false flag H1N1 and harmful effects, and GMO/GE, genetically modified or genetically engieered foods that lack proper nutients for our health and well being. Do some research on youtube on all of these topics and check out my research at http://livingquests.com (under the POLITICS tab).
The government is not interested in our health and well being. if they did, they would not be trying to ruin our health by contaminating our air, food supply and water….the basics of life. They could care less about us…what they care about is the same as all the other corporations, extreme profit.
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My sentiments 100%
Govt is making it extremely tough to take care of ourselves. We are slowly being poisoned and their are big profits in that.
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Obamacare: HMO Profits; LaRouche: Shut Down the HMOs! Restore Hill-Burton
October 2, 2009 (LPAC)—Within the next three weeks, the mega-HMO private insurers will be announcing their third-quarter income and profits, whose rights and privileges have been guaranteed all along in President Obama’s health-care “reform,” under his stance that, “we will start with the system we have…”
Lyndon LaRouche reiterated today, “Shut down the HMOs! Let’s look at a real option for what kind of health care system to have: Go back to Hill Burton.”
He refers to the post-World War II policy, begun with the 1946 Hospital Survey and Construction Act—called the Hill Burton law, after its Senate sponsors—which brought about the expansion of medical facilities so that populations in every county would have adequate ratios of hospital beds, staff, diagnostic and other treatment necessities per 1,000 residents.
Given this delivery infrastructure, the overhead of administrating care in the Hill Burton system, was in the 3-5% range, and operated through networks of public and private insurers (mostly non-profit), and government agencies. Then in 1973, the first law to back HMOs was enacted. Over the ensuing decades, mega-HMOs came into operation, supplanting the Hill Burton system. Today, the overhead ratio is at least 30 percent (some say, up to 50%). This amounts to some $600 billion out of the $2 trillion spent annually on health care in the U.S. today, being diverted into paperwork, profiteering, gross executive pay, etc.
This HMO looting system is exactly the “system” Obama is pledged to keep. Its second-quarter profits were impressive. UnitedHealth Group Inc., the biggest private HMO insurer (by revenue) announced July 21, that its Q2 profit had more than doubled from same time in 2008. The Q2 net income of UnitedHealth Group Inc. rose to $859 million (73 cents a share), well more than double that of the same time a year ago, at $337 million (27 cents a share). This occurred despite the fact that many of its private insurance customers cancelled their policies over the past year because of the crash, an occurrence which UnitedHealth Group more than made up for by hiking premiums, and by sucking in 260,000 new customers in 2009 (January through June 11) through its public/private partnership with AARP. UnitedHealth Group pays to use the AARP logo for various of its UnitedHealth Group plans for people over 65, called “Ovations.”.
The UnitedHealth Group vice president in charge of Ovations is Simon Stevens, a British national (at UnitedHealth’s head office since January, 2007), who was Tony Blair’s health-care expert from 1997 to 2004, during which time the infamous NICE (National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence) was set up to dictate to the British National Health Service how to limit and deny medical treatment, which increased the death rate for millions.
UnitedHealth Group is on a binge for even more dominance. In July, it announced that it would acquire the Northeast operations of rival Health Net Inc., for a sum in the range of $610 million. Also in July, UnitedHealth announced landing a $21.8 billion contract from the Defense Department to “manage” a five-year contract for 3 million beneficiaries of its TRICARE military service HMO program. This will begin April 1, 2010; the transition is already underway.
UnitedHealth Group is, thus, the foremost private company privateering in “managing” implementation of government medical programs of all kinds—the very ones Obamacare would cut. Of the total 2008 revenue of UnitedHealth Group of $81.19 billion, $28.1 billion came from Ovations—its Medicare business; another $6 billion from “Americhoice,” its Medicaid business, and with its new military and veterans contract, UnitedHealth Group may reach up to the same level as its current non-government, $41.8 billion commerical business.
The specifics for the others in the top five U.S. managed-care companies (in annual revenue for 2008) are similar. By annual revenue they are: WellPoint ($61 billion), Aetna ($31 billion), Humana ($29 billion) and CIGNA ($19 billion).
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Christmas time.
Family playing Trival Pursuit (old version from 1987)
Question: What country has 623,751 people on waiting list for Healthcare?
Answer: England.
Abort This Healthcare Bill.
That is the only kind of abortion I favor!
Joseph G
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Quoting a single figure in isolation is quite meaningless and simplistic. I could well argue that over forty million Americans do not even have a waiting list to join. Even if the systems in the UK, Australia, Canada, Europe, etc, were more efficient there would always be waiting lists. I also stated and recognised that these systems were not perfect.
You also miss the point totally – health care delivery in the US is a national efficiency issue – private health insurance companies are a useless waste of time and waste scares resources (health care delivery costs are twice any other developed country) – they are also parasitic and excluding. A single national system would be much more efficient. That is a fact and indisputable unless you want to permanently exclude forty million fellow citizens from some form health care.
I must say that I find your reference to Nazism, etc, in some of your other posts quite offensive (as if you really understand the meaning and horror of things like National Socialism, Communism, etc).
I have to assume from your ‘I’m all right jack’ attitude that you have little respect for the views of your fellow citizens, their welfare, etc, unless they have the same narrow views as yourself. It is quite sad seeing that the largest contributor to bankruptcy in the US is health care costs.
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Nexus…
By your response you obviously missed the irony of a silly little game already telling us, years in advance, the problem with British socialized medicine, and nazi-N.I.C.E. boards which deal out death. This same plan is now being thrust down our throats by the “nazi” democrats. The Majority of Americans don’t want this.
The bill that has now squeaked through the Senate, with “bribe after bribe” to get the needed 60 votes, is the equivalent of the 1939 Nazi-Germany T-4 plan which also proscribed “death panels” that decide if a old person is worth receiving medical care. It is a plan of genocide and designed for population control, because health care is not going to be provided through this legislation…just death!
I have nothing but contempt for this legislation which would foist this horror on the American people, or any people for that matter, and contend that the form of the bill with its “unconstitutional” provisions is tantamount to a war crime by every senator that voted for it.
If you want to know what “caused” the bankrucpty of America, look no further the printing presses of the Federal Reserve.
Joseph G
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Health insurance is an additional healthcare cost, unnecessary. The corp federal govt compares themselves to corp health insurance companies as if they are better than. Has anyone realized that this is only a strategic game the corporations are playing to gain control over everyone and their healthcare choices, to determine the quality of our lives? It’s the ol’ good buy/bad guy routine and neither of them have good intentions.
We do not need health insurance (more expense, more govt salaries to pay for, more bureaucratic red tape complications, non-medical trained people determining our care)….
What we need are lower health care costs and services, just like any other business (to stay in business), and this means just me and my doctor and no electronic medical records for all to view so we keep our right of privacy. Govt is too closely related to big pharma and would view medical records to see what else they can invent to pump into our bodies!
If the govt really cared about our health they would not be flying over towns with chemtrails depositing harmful chemicals in the air we breathe to make us sick. Plenty of youtube videos to see them in action worldwide.
If govt cared about our health they would not put fluoride (a toxin) in our water to make us passive and cause dental fluorosis(does not save us from cavities, btw).
If govt cared about our health they would not be taking over our farms, the entire food supply from growing to distribution with codex alimentarious on December 31, 2009, ….food that will be produced will lack proper nutrition and be harmful to our health.
If the govt cared about your health, they would have already made it illegal for health insurance companies to use pre-existing conditions to not provide insurance or pay on claims. Did they? Nope. Now why do you suppose that is?
Do your research on how much the govt really cares about your health!! The federal government is a corporation and thinks like one. They are only interested in profit and they love big pharma’s joint ventures and campaign donations!
The president, senators in the house and senate are once again jacking the American people around. It’s what they do best.
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Now that’s pretty much the basics …our food and water supply and the air we breathe. If the govt cannot do this right is executing programs to cause intetional harm to our health, imagine what they can do when they have control over the entire healthcare system!!!!
NO! This is not what the American people want or need. We have a third option rarely mentioned…see above…
Just me and the doc, affordable (lower) healthcare costs and services, no electronic records. KISS, keep it simple stupid.
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And someone needs to get on the fed govt’s arse and stop the planes from flying chemtrails over us (barium in the deposits harm the liver and kidneys), stop putting fluoride in our water and leave us alone to grow our own food supply including organic food. We would like to keep our food labels so we know what we are eating too! And we also would like to keep our supplements, thank you very much! Say good-bye to Monsanto!!!!!! Say no to govt control over our food supply!!
Research Monsanto, youtube videos, articles.
This fed govt has waaaaay overstepped its boundaries! Push Back.
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Totally Unconstitutional.
Buried in the hundreds of pages of the bill Reid is ramming through the Senate, in Sec. 3403 dealing with the IMAC (or IMAB), which is a genocide panel equivalent to Hitler’s 1939 “T4″ policy of genocide, Harry Reid was criminal enough to write that no future Senate or House of Representatives would ever be allowed to question the Nazi policy of IMAC, or, exactly as he says there in his own words:
“It shall not be in order in the Senate or the House of Representatives to consider any bill, resolution, amendment, or conference report that would repeal or otherwise change this subsection.”
Like Hitler’s “Thousand-Year Reich,” Reid would throw the Constitution overboard to make the IMAC death-panel the unalterable law of the United States forever! This is nothing but a Hitler demand of Harry Reid. And if Obama goes through with that, and supports it, then Obama is dead meat. He’ll be impeached. Because the US population now will not go with Hitler healthcare policies. Reid should resign now, out of embarrassment for pushing this through!
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I was born in the UK and I have lived in the UK, New Zealand and Australia and I have used the national health systems of each of these countries – each takes away the stress of being ill, is not perfect I would admit but allows me the choice in terms of being able to have private health service. I would like to offer a commentary to some of Ron Paul’s comments, specifically:
1. The US on paper may be considered a wealthy country but the distribution of wealth in the US means that many live in poverty, cannot access education, live in ‘decent’ housing, health services – the overall size of an economy says nothing about the distribution of wealth and the quality of life of individuals;
2. The US carries a heavy OH burden in terms of health services because of the multiple non value adding organisations, costs, processes and systems – one integrated system of health care would be much more efficient and effective than multiple organisations (this has nothing to do with socialism, communism…etc, it is a question of efficiency);
3. Government ‘forced’ organisations in the US are a problem of a historically fragmented approach to health reform and the fact that it was assumed that the European approach to national health care was flawed and US corporate sponsored employee health care would be superior. This proved to be fundamentally flawed and health liabilities related to employed threatened to bankrupt US corporations unless the Federal Government stepped in (as they did) – none of the fragmented government organisations address the broader requirement to deliver health services efficiently on a national US basis;
4. There is no such thing as free health care – only the most efficient manner of delivery. In other countries they have one infrastructure to deliver health care so OH’s and support costs are nationally distributed to give more health care value per dollar of OH support;
5. The question of who should pay is an interesting one and this touches upon how you philosophically view of the individual in relation to society. In countries outside the US the health of society is seen as a driver of societal cohesion. Therefore, the national tax system is used to provide national services that support social cohesion and provide a basic ‘net’ for many services including health;
6. The ‘elimination’ private health care insurance organisations in the US has much to do with efficiency – with one heath delivery organisation there is one set of management whereas in the US there are multiple organisations with multiple management teams, replicated infrastructure, multiple profit centres, etc, so nationally it is not a question of private versus public but what is the most efficient delivery system for health;
7. The adherence to universal health care system would deliver basic health care for all – subject to re-engineering the current system and eliminating narrow vested interests to better society as a whole, and;
8. It is fine to talk about government officials, politicians sponsored by vested interests, etc, but the real challenge for the US is to recognise the value of the broader society and the role of the individual in society rather that the narrow vested interests of individuals, interest groups, etc, that fragment and fracture society.
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I don’t believe anything substantial will be accomplished in the health care industry until the people realize what we have today is already a government policy . It is not a health care policy. It is an empire building policy.
If I wanted to make a little empire, I would want warriors. I would give warriors an incentive. Perhaps an education, or money for a house, or health care for life if one survives.These dangling carrots draw people into the military industrial complex. All are benefits that workers can’t get anywhere else. Not a bad deal. Happened with the passing of the GI bill in the 40’s. Who would ever begrudge this if they believe that military excursions into a hundred world countries is to save their freedoms?
Next, I would find a way to build up the work force for the corporations who are providing me with weapons when the civilian work force is depleted due to large numbers serving in uniform. I would instigate price and wage controls to the civilian population and let the corporations (most with the ability to pay due to my contracts for their products) get around it by allowing them to raise wages by giving health insurance to employees. I would offer them tax breaks, thus paying for part of it, plus don’t forget, they work for me so they have money. Those receiving the insurance would also not pay taxes on their increased hidden wages. It would draw workers from businesses not fortunate enough to be able to pay for it to the war effort. I would herd workers to where I want them for my needs. This is exactly what happened in the 1940s. Workers got a raise via health insurance, but started getting dependent on employers for their health. More division of access to health care due to government policy.
Health insurance companies started to prosper from this government policy as well. They effectively became launderers of money for this scam on the people and recipients of business from a humongous section of people. This could only happen with a government policy because in reality all insurance companies are money brokers. This could only happen by a deliberate manipulation of the system by the government . Imagine today if I came to the reader and tried to sell a service where they willingly give me a thousand dollars of their hard earned money so I could give it to someone else to pay for a product worth less than 700 on average. How would I market that to you? Hey all, give me a thousand dollars a month and I will take that money and pay for a house payment that is 700 dollars. I can disallow you if I choose also. Sweet deal. People would think I am insane.
That is what health insurance is. The only thing is that the costs are spread due to government manipulation so few know how stupid it is. Lets pretend insurance is 1000 a month. Employer pays 750 and the worker pays 250. Big business gets huge subsidies from the government with tax incentives and tax breaks to make up for much of their share. Workers are fooled into thinking they are paying for their insurance and the government should stay out of it, even though they are subsidized, and even feel superior. The thousand dollars a month is divided three ways and the insurance companies still pay out less than 700 on average. Today due to this over 70 percent of people have employer based health care. To a self employed person paying a thousand dollars a month in health insurance premiums with no such division, recipients of employer, government subsidized insurance seems like moochers and it is easy to see the government roll in this.
Government and corporations in this area are one, not separate evils. This was a work force policy promoted and maintained for the government and corp needs. This is where people who cry they don’t want government to fool with their health care, are the most uninformed and foolish. This is already total government control. Until people realize in this area
(as in others) they are one and the same we are duped.
In Single payer insurance the government is reduced to simply collecting funds and the insurance industry,, that the government built through legislative policies created to feed itself and its corporate allies, would be gone. This is why a bill in congress (by a few who in my opinion actually would like to be of service in this “Republic” as opposed to what is much closer to a government corporate fascist state, could not even get any discussion from either party. To much control by health insurance. It is not in most politicians interest, not in the military’s interest not in the corporate interest,not in the empires interest to have equal access to health care for its citizens. It would be in a republics or the peoples interest.
By the way , unlike undeclared wars around the world, spying on citizens, invasion of privacy, detainment without trial, having a private bank controlling our money system while bailing out financial institutions that that have screwed the public etc this power is mandated to Congress in Section 8. Congress has the power to collect taxes for public defense and general welfare. Look up welfare in the constitutional dictionary.
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Without jobs, there is no paycheck, without a paycheck there is no health insurance premium deduction. With dwindling paychecks due to deductions and increasing living expenses, people will opt out of the system and find alternative ways to make a buck….and eat, provide shelter for themselves and their families, take care of their health and well being…without the govt’s help. They haven’t helped American in years anyway. The U.S. federal corporation has helped itself to American’s money. the Economic Hitman has hit America.
How To Destabalize Countries Legally .Economic Hitman Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6WstddMJZQ
It’s Basic Survival 101 folks.
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Way to go Nexus. A calm, close to sensible voice in the wilderness. Let’s hope education and information will permeate the atmosphere of hysteria.
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Health care bill up for vote in the senate on christmas eve. damn democrats
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Here is a copy of what I wrote to my senators. Maybe you can cut/paste and change a few words and send to your senators before it’s too late.
Is this the oath you took?
The Senate oath of office is:
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.
It is clear that the mandate requiring citizens to purchase insurance from private corporations is unconstitutional. As soon as the Senate votes on the “health care” bill 60 Senators will be in violation of their oath of office. I feel this way for many reasons. I am a native Marylander born and raised in Baltimore. I have watched as my state has become a haven for illegal aliens, watched as those same illegal aliens were given voting rights and drivers licences, the same privilege as United States Citizens. And now our elected officials want to have the American Citizens PAY TAXES to give these criminals health insurance stating it is a “right” for all american citizens. Yes for LEGAL AMERICAN CITIZENS. There is already Medical Assistance for low income AMERICAN CITIZENS. If you wish to do something for Legal American Citizens, include a dental progam under medical assistance. Make it easier for LEGAL AMERICAN CITIZENS to obtain health insurance, especially for Homeless LEGAL AMERICAN CITIZENS. Start covering Alternative Health Options under medical assistance like Chiropractic and Accupuncture! I do agree that there should be some type of Health Care reform, but NOT this bill. And NOT at the expense of Legal American Citizens.
According to Ben Cardin, By 2040, the already too high number of uninsured in America will reach 72 million. How many of this 72 million are LEGAL UNITED STATES CITIZENS? I say it is all of the pregnant ILEGAL ALIENS I see walking the streets of Baltimore believing that by having a baby here it will make them legal citizens. That is where this figure is coming form. First off the Constitutiion states that ONE parent of a child born here must be a LEGAL CITIZEN. So, how then does Two ILLEGAL parents make One Legal baby? I am furious at how the american people, especially Marylanders, are being betrayed by this congress, and by our elected officials who seem to care more about these illegal aliens than our own countries LEGAL Citizens.
I am NOT willing to give up my health insurance that I pay through the nose for and take some state run program in it’s place that isn’t going to cover the types of doctors I go to! And I don’t mind paying for my health insurance because I CHOOSE what doctors I want to go to. And I am not willing to be taxed to pay for these Illegal Aliens to have health insurance! Maryland is already one of the highest taxed states in the country! You are asking too much of Marylanders, and the citizens of the United States!
I ask that you vote NO on this Health Care Bill today. Again I do agree that there needs to be health care reform, but not this particular bill. Why not have community meetings as ask the Maryland Citizens what type of health care reform they would like to see put on the table? Then you would have the input of the people you are elected to represent. And you can take that information to the table and present it instead of signing a 2,074 page bill into law that I seriously doubt you have even had the time to read and analyze. Please do not allow the citizens of Maryland to be bullied into something that in the long run is going to do more harm than good.
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This country needs a new type of Health Care. The way we treat health issues goes back to the dawn of human health issues. We need to have a up to date system of treatment. Look at this Washington Post article. New ideas that we can use.
David Chisman
Personal Message:
lots in this article
How a medical revolution may transform Northern Virginia
By Steven Pearlstein
Even as Washington policymakers struggle to reform the country’s health-care system, about 20 miles away in Fairfax County, Dietrich Stephan is hatching a plot to revolutionize it.
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I would love for Ron Paul to be president and carry out his plans. I feel he is a truly moral guy. I’m concerned that many U.S citizens particulary in the most recent generation don’t understand responsibility, that they aren’t ready or willing to do what it’s going to take. So Ron Paul being elected would be a really good thing, bringing the people back to reality, but what I’m trying to say is that chances are, the majority will not vote for Ron Paul, the people will realize that electing Ron Paul is going to mean things won’t be easy. People will have to actually think for themselves god forbid, and take responsibility for what we’ve done. I do think it’s worth a try though, I think him running inspires people to try. To become informed and inform others.
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Obama’s consistent message has been ‘Change’ ~ well the ‘change’ we’re getting are ‘apparent’ attempts to fix what’s broken in our country. The same things which the true ‘Elitest’ powers of the world actually (and intentionally) created in the first place.
We’re going from the pot to the frying pan. The biggest problems with our country were largely created for the purpose of getting us to blindly and willingly be led like sheep to the slaughter.
Personally I think it’s too late to prevent what’s coming ~ I think that the best we can hope for is to be aware of and prepared as best we can for what’s ahead of us. As a Christian I believe that God does that with His people ~ if they’re listening. Scripture shows Him doing so repeatedly. Sure ~ national repentance can always alter our course (remember the story of Jonah and Ninevah?) ~ but that was the exception ~ and I (pessimistically) don’t see ‘that’ happening with us. Hope I’m wrong.
This does seem like a particularly important time to be prepared as physically and spiritually as possible.
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Why isn’t this all over the news in mainstream media??
This is headline information.
Some have reported that they think this is a pneumonic plague because the infected person’s lungs fill with blood, the lungs reach such high temperatures that they literally melt and bring death.
Ukraine Health Minister Says New Strain
of H1N1 Swine Flu: Possible Mutation
November 6, 2009
The first deputy minister of Health in Ukraine said in a statement that they have a different H1N1 swine flu than the rest of the world. In 6 days 500,000 people have been infected and 109 deaths have been confirmed.
Reports of H1N1 Vaccine Causing Miscarriages
http://preventdisease.com/news/09/110709_H1N1_vaccine_miscarriage_reports.shtml
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Dozens of People Die In India From Unknown Virus
November 8, 2009
Doctors at Sassoon General Hospital in Pune, India are worried. Thirty-five patients with swine flu-like symptoms died in the last 45 days at the hospital, and not one of them tested positive for swine flu. The doctors still don’t know what caused the death of these patients.
http://preventdisease.com/news/09/110809_dozens_die_india_unknown_virus.shtml
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Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) BG
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66-uDn-YQDg&feature=related
“Government is going to go into bankruptcy.” This bill has nothing to do with healthcare, if you think they are doing this out of the kindness of their heart, they are not! It has to do with the government taking total control of the entire economy.
Tea partiers descend on Capitol Hill Jonathan Allen and Meredith Shiner POLITICO com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Fzs-UElWc4&feature=related
Michelle Bachman on Pelosi Health Care Bill: “This Is the Crown jewel of Socialism”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLDzKfsUzy0&feature=related
The government has taken control over 30% of the American economy + healthcare, 18% = 48% of our economy!!
America is no longer a free market society with the above stats.
That’s alarming. So HR3962 passed the House today.
Next, the House must again get 218 or more votes, voting a 2nd time, then the bill goes to the Senate.
Mark Levin’s speech on Capitol Hill
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tjmg5aTYmU&feature=related
Emergency House call, Michelle Bachman, March on Washington, Anti Pelosi Health Care
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8H-v-A6EAv4&feature=related
Priest being arrested from Pelosi’s office on 11/5 march on Washington DC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQh8nPHTd6A&feature=related
Kill the Bill: Americans fight healthcare reform
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkFZRekpqpk&feature=related
The Government’s Job Loss Program
Liberty and Tyranny: Bachmann Warns Against Cap-and-Trade
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hd-ERDBs4ek&feature=related
car dealerships, medical insurance, doctors, mortgage and real estate industry, construction…..
2010 Census Warning
Bachmann Talks Cap-and-Trade and Census
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvNlTe-KZPw&feature=channel
can use the census info to use for roundup to take mass people to internment, we have many hundreds of internment camps in the US.
Concerns with the 2010 Census
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrQ5Ez6Gork&feature=channel
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Drumroll…for freedom, privacy, liberty, for America and the Constitution.
c-span airing the debate on the healthcare reform bill now. Take down names. Vote out those fighting against American freedom.
They could have spent time making laws that would make it illegal for big insurance corporations to use pre-existing conditions, of getting in the way of the patient and doctor relationship, of increasing premiums to un-affordable. Did they do that? No. Why? Because they don’t intend on it. They want increasing profits to continue their massive spending spree and to devastate the American economy. Neither party has worked towards stopping this aim and goal. Shame on this government. This government is un-American and no longer represents Americans or the Constitution!
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This is a sad day for America. More freedom, gone. We are now more controlled by an agressive socialistic government than ever. They passed the healthcare bill. Take names, vote them out.
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Christine: I have faith that the Senate will kill the bill. And I will surely vote my Rep. OUT! He is a piece of crap. He even voted against the Stupak amendment!
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Flu Pandemic Archive
http://www.preventdisease.com/misc1.html
IMPORTANT INTERVIEW, go to the link below, scroll down on the page and take a listen. This person has done a lot of study and research.
H1N1 Vaccine Packages’ Inserts
Ingredients and Warnings
http://preventdisease.com/news/09/092109_H1N1_package_inserts_warnings.shtml
Codex Alimentarius: Nutricide Will Commence December 31, 2009
http://preventdisease.com/home/tips103.shtml
Incrementalism: Breaking Free From World Powers Who Gradually Destroy Our Health
http://preventdisease.com/news/09/082709_incrementalism.shtml
Google these topics, search YouTube:
Chemtrails, heavy metals in the air
Flouride in water
Monsanto, GMO seeds and food supply
Don’t trust the government to keep you healthy!
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She’s a dedicated, knowledgable political activist.
Check out the list of offenses against our constitutional rights and background information to the swine flu hoax.
Rebecca Campbell files federal lawsuit over WHO flu scam in Seattle
http://www.theflucase.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1355%3Arebecca-campbell-files-federal-lawsuit-over-who-flu-scam-in-seattle&catid=1%3Alatest-news&Itemid=64&lang=en
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“Swine flu” emergency declaration: is martial law unfolding?
http://www.theflucase.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1355%3Arebecca-campbell-files-federal-lawsuit-over-who-flu-scam-in-seattle&catid=1%3Alatest-news&Itemid=64&lang=en
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Woman Disabled by Flu Shot Reaction
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4lMH2iTt9c&feature=related
Very Sad: Cheerleader Gets A Flu Shot & Now She Can Only Walk Backwards!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mScGC7nFDxM&feature=topvideos
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Great Website and Article on the Flu Jab
Dr Mercola on what the media doesn’t tell you about the “swine flu” jab
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/10/21/Special-Swine-Flu-Update.aspx
The stats on flu cases and deaths that are widely spread are wrong!
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A Sick Twist
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/article.php
The connection between the proposed government controlled healthcare plan and cap and trade + John Holdren’s population reduction concepts/book.
Daughter saves mother, 80, left by doctors to starve
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article6869646.ece
Families ‘kept in the dark’ as doctors make life-or-death decisions
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article6833149.ece
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Robert F. Kennedy JR tells the truth-Vaccine-Gov Cover up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLzdOFwd_xw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U-RG-mS2Vc&feature=related
so too for the flu vaccine. ALL vaccines are suspect now.
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Deadly Immunity
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. investigates the government cover-up of a mercury/autism scandal
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/7395411/deadly_immunity/
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Dr Horowitz Rips Dr Oz Apart on ABC’s H1N1 Swine Flu Vaccine Fraud: PART 1 of 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04gaxcrVRxY
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Why is the person….ghrjrfggigir, being allowed to post Pornography video’s, and You Tube for that matter??? Aren’t their internet laws against this? This is a form of discrimination against woman too………
I wonder who is monitoring this site? I am not sure if its the same guy but someone has been doing this periodically on Ron Paul’s site……..
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And How Scientific and factural is this??????? That’s a good way to counterfeit the Swine Flu, just say there is now way to know for sure…..so that tells me ….these guys are operating back in the dark ages…..and trying to scare us without the facts.
How does an American react then to this Counterfeit Epidemic?
Do we refuse their Counterfeit Flu Vaccine?
Do we refuse to pay $25 for their mandated Counterfeit Flu Vaccine, with their Counterfeit Money?
Do we allow them to put us under Marital Law, with Unconstitutionally, trained none citizens of the USA?
The Counterfeit Age of the USA 2000-2012/this one is for you Sean!
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09/29/2009
CDC Drafts “Isolation Order” for H1N1
The following draft of an “isolation order” was discovered on the CDC’s website. It is a template for state and local officials to impose quarantines and what would effectively be martial law.
“Your illness [as determined by state and local officials] requires that you be isolated and requires further public health investigation and monitoring.”
Failure to obey will result in imprisonment without bail prior to trial and the possibility of a two year prison term.
In other words, according to this document, officials can impose quarantine without evidence that somebody is actually infected with a virus that is now negligible at best. It may also be used to quarantine potentially millions of people suffering from any number of illnesses — or not suffering from any disease at the discretion of the state — that have nothing to do with H1N1. It is basically a carte blanche for martial law under the cover of protecting the public from a communicable disease that is demonstrably a manufactured and weaponized threat.
go to …..
http://blogs.healthfreedomalliance.org/blog/2009/09/29/cdc-drafts-isolation-order-for-h1n1/
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The president has to give the authority for them to do this
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”Do you presume to criticize the great Oz, you ungrateful creatures?”
“Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.” Wizard of Oz
The Wizard knew about the power of the media, and deception, and fear in dealing with the masses.
There is a strenuous health care debate out there today, or so it would seem. Is it true? We hear republicans saying that a public option plan will devastate private health insurance companies. We hear them talk about the greatness of private enterprise and the dangers of huge government takeovers of health care, of socialized medicine and of skyrocketing costs, as if they have really seemed to care about that lately. We hear from democrats who swear that reform “will not” eliminate private for profit health insurance companies!
What we do not hear in this political debate in the mass media, is anyone questioning why keeping private health insurance companies in business is really such a good thing anyway. It is actually not because no one is talking about it, we just do not get to hear it. In fact, both democratic and republican leadership have done everything in their power to stifle discussion about single payer insurance for everyone. Single payer is a system where through taxes the government collects money so everyone can go to the doctor. It skips the skimming the profit off the top part, or the not covering what is wrong with you part, or the getting in the way between you and your health provider part. We do not hear that there are many in the medical profession who would like single payer to be part of the health care debate, doctors and nurses who want to be able to take care of their patients without a fight from the insurance company. We do not hear that the majority of doctors are not in the AMA. It is interesting to note that over 16,000 doctors are pushing for single payer health insurance. Did you know that doctors and nurses are being arrested on a regular basis for standing up and trying to get our elected officials to include single payer insurance bill HR676 into the discussion? Eighty-five congressional representatives sponsor this bill and still we cannot talk about it. What is going on? The insurance industry wields tremendous power.
It is clear that those behind the curtain manipulating public opinion want to keep this information quiet and secret. It is interesting to note that in 2003, before becoming president, Senator Obama gave a speech saying the only thing stopping a single payer plan for everyone was to elect democrats in the house of representatives, the senate and for the president. It was part of why voters elected him. It is also very interesting to know that according to opensecrets.org, the insurance industry spent 150 million in lobbying and contributions last year and the pharmaceuticals spent 230 million. That is a lot of money, apparently enough to buy influence. It is noteworthy, that unlike (foreign) wars without declaration, illegal spying on citizens, or imprisoning people indefinitely without trial, creating a single payer insurance bill HR676 is actually something the Constitution gives Congress the authority to do. Section 8 declares it. Congress can tax to provide for the common Defense and General Welfare. Welfare according to the Constitutional dictionary includes health and well being. Access for all to health care qualifies. I am not talking about government controlling medicine which we all should be nervous about.. I am talking about actually limiting government to only collect funds, which are put into a pool to only be delivered to health care providers of choice for people when needed. They would not spend millions of our premiums to lobby for the right to use our money as they see fit, as is done today privately. They would distribute the funds to health care providers for everybody, without taking money off the top; they have no other control between our health care givers and us. It would save money.
The fact is, there is less government intervention with this plan, than with what we have today. How can that be?
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It is important to know that today over 70 percent of people in the United States have health insurance plans attached to their employment, over 200 million people. Do you ever wonder why? Neither auto insurance nor property insurance has any such attachment.
In the 1940s, the Roosevelt administration imposed a wage and price freeze on the country. The US had 14 million men fighting and had a shortage of workers here at home. Congress and the IRS passed a law that gave business and labor (typically large business that was producing for the war effort) relief from the constraints of the federal government’s wage and price restrictions. They did this by allowing compensation from business, in the form of health care benefits to the employees, to be tax-free and not defined as a wage increase. This tax break was not for people who have to buy their own health insurance, with after tax dollars. It is not a health care policy; it has always been a compensation policy. Wage and price controls no longer exist. Government policy has herded two hundred million people into employer-based insurance. The rest do not have any or buy their own. Consider those who pay 100 percent of their own premium, which, commonly run over 1000 dollars a month, sometimes much more. Of course, if they get sick and can’t pay that much insurance companies drop them.
This government driven tax policy, no tax on corporations for health insurance as compensation, has completely defined the health insurance market. For sixty-five years, the federal tax system has supported private-employer-based insurance with huge “tax subsidies” or “tax expenditures.” In reality, the ones who make up for this tax break are all other taxpayers. Employees become stuck with their jobs for fear of losing insurance. The real cost of health insurance becomes blurred with partial payments from government, employee and employer and the insurance companies make a fortune off all for only moving money around. Our “for profit” health insurance system owes its existence to the war economy. A single payer plan is less government intervention, not more. Those who would complain about government interference about health care, take note, this has been government manipulation at its biggest and finest for 65 years! .
Health insurance companies are simply brokers, they give no health services, and they provide no care. Insurance companies have almost free reign on whom they will cover, what they will cover, and how much they will pay for care. Their true function is simply serving as a middleman between the patient and the doctor for a huge fee and corporate profits. If there were not the giant tax breaks for the corporations, employer-based-for profit-health-insurance would not have developed. Meanwhile insurance companies, whose sole purpose is to make money, have control over patients’ life and death and there is no oversight. They do not have to tell us anything. Their greed for profit holds more importance than a person’s life.
After 60 years of government supporting the health insurance companies, what do we have? While spending 10 times as much in military offense than any other country, we have
1: 40 million or more uninsured Americans,
2: Insurance executives who can have 750 million dollars in company stock and multi million dollar salaries (received from the insured’s premiums,) while 40 percent of all bankruptcies are due to medical bills owed by people WITH insurance.
3: A US rank of 37th for health care among nations
4: The most expensive health care in the world.
5:: Over 20,000 People who die needlessly each year due to lack of access to health care.
This feels like war. Why would we think this is a good idea? We can do, and deserve better.
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What about the thousands or millions that needlessly die under Socialized medicine, huh??? Many people under socialized medicine die while waiting to get necessary surgeries or treatment, or just waiting to see a doctor or specialist. And do you really think that government can run a National Health Care plan? Just look at the great job their doing with Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, etc. They can barely run anything right. Anyway, it’s unconstitutional in the first place. The federal government isn’t responsible for providing healthcare or social services, that is left up to the States, or to the people. It’s very clear if you read the Constitution.
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http://www.livingquests.com/america/america.html
In particular, listen carefully to the words Obama chooses. They are written to the side of the main video.
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Where do you get the 40 million or more uninsured Americans from? The true number is much lower if you consider the people who don’t have it because they don’t want it or need it, and also the illegal aliens (who won’t be covered anyway under the proposed plan). Sure, we have problems, but it’s going to get much worse if it’s socialized. Beside’s that, it’s Unconstitutional.
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The health insurance you’re used to is not in fact insurance. Insurance is where you buy a policy that covers you in case something unlikely happens. If a nation-wide company like GEICO were allowed to sell you a policy for a couple hundred bucks a month whereby any medical expenses in a year over $5000 were paid in full, you might buy that. If it were even cheaper, like $80 a month, you would probably leap at the chance. They could even be less for people on sugarfree diets, less still for people who don’t smoke or drink. I would LOVE a plan like this. As it is, I get reimbursed for a portion of some medical expenses from my “insurer.” If I get hit by a stray bullet in the city and my medical bills go over $100,000 for any reason I’m out on by butt. What a farce. That’s the opposite of insurance and here’s why:
NATIONWIDE MEDICAL INSURANCE COMPANIES ARE VIRTUALLY ILLEGAL. The only thing like it is death and disability coverage, which is clearly not the same.
Legalizing actual medical insurance, and making such companies compete across state lines will allow sweet deals like you can find on homeowner’ policies. You could even bundle them.
Forcing companies that offer such policies to explain them in fifth-grade English will further improve the benefit of real medical insurance.
My insurance is $1000 a month between me and my employer. If I had to pay for it myself, that would be almost 1/5 of my Gross Individual Product. I’m a healthy 27 year old with a 27-year old wife and three healthy kids. We practice herbal medicine and we’re on a sugarfree diet. Insuring me would be a profiteer’s dream because I’m “A Paper” (to borrow a lending industry phrase). Real Private Medical Insurance would be a private-sector method of producing healthier citizens. It would pay like safe driving pays, and like disallowing children to play near the cliffs pays.
If I kept my $12,000–if it came to me as cash instead of a “benefit”–and even a $300/month full-coverage Real Medical Insurance policy, I could save the high annual deductible and put it in the bank. After one year and have actual 100% coverage no matter what happened to any member of my family. As it is, I have limited coverage because my state thinks every policy needs to cover family planning, which cuts into the coverage _I_ want. Every policy in my state must also cover mental health benefits and many other things I do not want to buy.
Let the free market sell me something I want. Force them to compete so I can get the sweetest deal in the nation. I would be able to keep more of my own money, wisely saving for retirement because with age my premiums will go up. But with $12k more every year to choose how to spend, I would have options (read: liberty).
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Medical insurance is a scam. It is an additional medical expense, an increase in medical costs. Medical insurance is compatible with our sickcare system to make sure the pharmaceutical companies make a profit and the insurance companies make a profit, big profits (now the govt wants in on the action)….so that those who take care of themselves end up paying for those who don’t. How’s that for incentivising wellness?
And with the govt spraying the sky with chemicals (chemtrails) that will lead to more disease, with the govt putting fluoride in our water (more disease), and with the govt going to implement Codex Alimentarious in December 31, 2009 which will give us non-nutritious food (govt control over the entire food process)…this will lead to more and more disease, so even the healthy ones who know the right choices will have a difficult time staying well.
The healthcare bill was never about the govt caring about our health and reducing costs. The govt is a corporation, like all the other bailed-out corporations. They are in it for profit and motive.
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This is the first place I read anything about Ron Paul’s take on Health Care. The best plan yet!!!!!!!!!
If this government take over of the health care field passes (1/7 of our GNP), I will be getting out the health care field. I will be closing my two Health and Wellness Centers. My main theme has always been wellness. My clinics are not like most doctors. We do not cram meds down everyone that comes it.
We will not be a part of Obamacare where costs and age determines if you live or die.
This whole program about giving everone health insurance, is not about your and my health. They could care less if you or I die. These left-wing liberal socialist-communists think that if they can control your and my health care, they can control us. For most fools, in this country, that right.
A friend of mine who is 75 years ask me what he should do if Obamacare passes. I told him don’t get sick. Old people will be the hardest hit with the government take over of the medical system(just like in Canada and England).
My advise to everyone, if you are on Meds, get off of as many possible,eat right,stay, away from junk foods, don’t smoke or drink at all( a drink once and a while is OK), excercise and take vitamins and minerals. If you are overweight, lose weight and keep it off.
If 5-10 years we will have a third-rate health care system.
A teacher, of mine, in medical school, told me something that I’ve always remembered: WE GET THE GOVERNMENT WE DESERVE, NO MORE, NO LESS. AS A WHOLE!
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Right, like my 85-year-old Grandmother who recently had a heat attack and would have died were it not for world-class heart treatment in the UK – England to be precise. Shortly afterward she suffered a stroke and if it had not been for more world class stroke treatment, would have been severely disabled for the rest of her life. She is not and is remarkably almost the exact same 85-year-old Grandmother we all know and love, still lives on her own, and enjoys a remarkable quality of life for someone who came so close to death. Notice how I do not need to resort to name-calling or rash generalizations about something I do not fully understand. We need intelligent discourse in this country, not wild claims and accusations…
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that is how we protested the Vietnam war back in my day..of course some got maced and killed for speaking out too….
But these are my kind of guys…we need more of them in the USA ….
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October 7th, 2009
Third of parents oppose swine flu vaccine | Video
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/
YEHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
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