Health Care

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In these United States of America, many people cannot afford even basic health insurance. They suffer severely under the present system and have to live under the constant fear of not knowing what they will do if they or their loved ones ever fall seriously ill.

But in many cases, insured individuals aren’t much better off either. In comparison to the exorbitant insurance premiums they pay, the medical care they receive is often very poor.

Additionally, due to the government-enforced monopolies of HMOs (Health Maintenance Organizations) and pharmaceutical companies, many patients will never even hear about some of the most effective and non-invasive treatment methods. These natural and inexpensive ways of regaining one’s health are being suppressed by the FDA and the medical establishment not because of safety concerns (they’ve been around for hundreds of years), but because they cannot be patented and would therefore cut into the pharmaceutical industry’s profits.

The current system is most definitely broken, and it must eventually be abolished if we want to regain both our health and our freedom.

But Obamacare is the worst possible answer. All it does is perpetuate a flawed system by forcing everyone to become a client of insurance companies, even those who don’t want to or need to participate.

Why should anyone be forced to subsidize the medical care of others? Very few individuals would personally assault their neighbors at gunpoint and steal thousands of dollars to pay for their own medical needs. How could any freedom loving person agree to delegate such criminal acts to the government by supporting a compulsory health insurance system?

There is only one solution that will lead to true health and true freedom: making health care more affordable. Ron Paul believes that only true free market competition will put pressure on the providers and force them to lower their costs to remain in business. Additionally, Ron Paul wants to change the tax code to allow individual Americans to fully deduct all health care costs from their taxes.

Through these measures and the elimination of government-sponsored health care monopolies a much larger number of people will be able to finally access affordable health care, either by paying for medical insurance or by covering their medical expenses, which are now much lower, out of their own pocket.

As for the poor and the severely ill who can neither obtain insurance nor pay for the medical care they need, Ron Paul offers the following solution in his bookThe Revolution: A Manifesto“:

In the days before Medicare and Medicaid, the poor and elderly were admitted to hospitals at the same rate they are now, and received good care. Before those programs came into existence, every physician understood that he or she had a responsibility towards the less fortunate and free medical care was the norm. Hardly anyone is aware of this today, since it doesn’t fit into the typical, by the script story of government rescuing us from a predatory private sector.

Illegal aliens already receive de-facto free health care. Why can’t poor Americans have the same… not as a right, but as a charitable benefit provided by doctors who feel a personal responsibility for their fellow citizens?

Unfortunately, the current medical monopoly corrupts many doctors by rewarding practices that are not in the patients’ best interest. Pharmaceutical companies have a vested interest in not curing people, but getting them permanently addicted to expensive drugs that have many side effects, thereby requiring additional drugs to suppress those side effects. Many doctors are afraid to speak up and question the system for fear of being ostracized by their peers or even losing their license.

Under a liberated health care system prices would come down and additional options would become available, thereby making health care much more affordable. Moral corruption would give way to true compassion, and many doctors would remember their implicit obligation to provide free medical care to those in need, just like they did in the past.

As a medical doctor, Ron Paul swore the Hippocratic Oath many decades ago. His entire person and career is a monument to the beauty and sanctity of human life. Ron Paul knows that life without health can be very difficult and is not what it was meant to be. He has personally cared for the poor for many years, without asking anything in return.

The government’s original role is to protect our freedoms and restrain itself from causing too much harm. Ron Paul is working to prevent greedy bureaucrats, opportunist politicians and corrupt pharmaceutical companies from having any sort of unhealthy influence over our bodies and minds.

Join the Ron Paul Revolution and help us put the federal government back where it belongs: to Washington DC and out of our daily lives.

Transcript:

Government has been mismanaging medical care for more than 45 years; for every problem it has created it has responded by exponentially expanding the role of government.

Points to consider:

  1. No one has a right to medical care. If one assumes such a right, it endorses the notion that some individuals have a right to someone else’s life and property. This totally contradicts the principles of liberty.
  2. If medical care is provided by government, this can only be achieved by an authoritarian government unconcerned about the rights of the individual.
  3. Economic fallacies accepted for more than 100 years in the United States has deceived policy makers into believing that quality medical care can only be achieved by government force, taxation, regulations, and bowing to a system of special interests that creates a system of corporatism.
  4. More dollars into any monopoly run by government never increases quality but it always results in higher costs and prices.
  5. Government does have an important role to play in facilitating the delivery of all goods and services in an ethical and efficient manner.
  6. First, government should do no harm. It should get out of the way and repeal all the laws that have contributed to the mess we have.
  7. The costs are obviously too high but in solving this problem one cannot ignore the debasement of the currency as a major factor.
  8. Bureaucrats and other third parties must never be allowed to interfere in the doctor/patient relationship.
  9. The tax code, including the ERISA laws, must be changed to give everyone equal treatment by allowing a 100% tax credit for all medical expenses.
    Laws dealing with bad outcomes and prohibiting doctors from entering into voluntary agreements with their patients must be repealed. Tort laws play a significant role in pushing costs higher, prompting unnecessary treatment and excessive testing. Patients deserve the compensation; the attorneys do not.
  10. Insurance sales should be legalized nationally across state lines to increase competition among the insurance companies.
  11. Long-term insurance policies should be available to young people similar to term-life insurances that offer fixed prices for long periods of time.
  12. The principle of insurance should be remembered. Its purpose in a free market is to measure risk, not to be used synonymously with social welfare programs. Any program that provides for first-dollar payment is no longer insurance. This would be similar to giving coverage for gasoline and repair bills to those who buy car insurance or providing food insurance for people to go to the grocery store. Obviously, that could not work.
  13. The cozy relationship between organized medicine and government must be reversed.
    Early on medical insurance was promoted by the medical community in order to boost re-imbursements to doctors and hospitals. That partnership has morphed into the government/insurance industry still being promoted by the current administration.
  14. Threatening individuals with huge fines by forcing them to buy insurance is a boon to the insurance companies.
  15. There must be more competition for individuals entering into the medical field. Licensing strictly limits the number of individuals who can provide patient care. A lot of problems were created in 20th century as a consequence the Flexner Report (1910), which was financed by the Carnegie Foundation and strongly supported by the AMA. Many medical schools were closed and the number of doctors was drastically reduced. The motivation was to close down medical schools that catered to women, minorities and especially homeopathy. We continue to suffer from these changes which were designed to protect physician’s income and promote allopathic medicine over the more natural cures and prevention of homeopathic medicine.
  16. We must remove any obstacles for people seeking holistic and nutritional alternatives to current medical care. We must remove the threat of further regulations pushed by the drug companies now working worldwide to limit these alternatives.

True competition in the delivery of medical care is what is needed, not more government meddling.


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  1. John Walker

    One could get the impression that Ron Paul see’s government regulation and its failures as the rational for not having universal healthcare.

    While there is some merit to this and these concerns must certainly be applied to any plan for universal healthcare to help protect against such failures, he has not stated what his solution would be to the problem of having 47+ million Americans without access to healthcare.

    If we use the argument that government regulation does not work then why do we have so many agencies in our federal government that have been in place for so long that actually serve the existing health care system.

    Does Ron Paul want to do away with the FDA? That is a regulatory agency that has many times proven to be ineffective and often effective. Some good and some bad.

    I’d really like to see what his plan is for universal healthcare or what his plan is so that every American can obtain the healthcare that they need.

    Just because it’s government regulated doesn’t mean that it has to be a failure. No one can tell me that a universal healthcare system is just going to fail and end up providing low quality healthcare when there is no reason why it can’t be monitored by experts in the field to assure its quality.

    One thing is for sure. The current health care system is not working for those who need health care and for those who are providing the healthcare.

    There are a lot of physicians and nurses who have left the medical field because they can’t do their jobs the way they were trained to do them. The current insurance companies and HMO’s are driven by profit interests to deny as many authorization requests as they can get away with.

    I’m seeing physicians who won’t even perform the most rudimentary tests on a patient, even when these test would help rule out diseases that are probable based on the patients symptoms, because they know that the insurance company will not approve it or will deny the claim.

    Most importantly, those physicians who operate within the treatment dictated by the insurance companies, providing less care, are those who are rewarded the most. This is not practicing high quality medicine. This is practicing medicine dictated by the insurance companies.

    Physicians, nurses, and many other health care practitioners virtually have their hands tied under the current system.

    I have sat down with cardiologists and other specialty physicians who state that the HMO’s have ruined healthcare in this country. They state that they no longer can do what is best for the patient and frequently have the insurance companies say “no” to a procedure or test the physician needs to perform.

    If the current system is not working well, which I maintain it is not working well, then what does Ron Paul propose?

    I still believe in a universal health care system that will return the power to the physicians, nurses, and other healthcare workers who can then practice medicine they way they were trained.

    There is absolutely no reason why the physicians of this country can’t band together to make sure a universal healthcare system is solid and highly effective with high quality results.

    Physicians and other healthcare workers need to be highly paid as this is one of the most important services, if not the most important, that each of us need. If they are not highly paid then the smartest and most capable people will not enter medicine, or leave, and it will slowly decline.

    In general, under the current system, physicians and other healthcare workers are not getting paid enough to make it worth their while. They are finding it harder and harder to make ends meet. I’ve heard many professionals say that they would have been better off financially by going into a non-healthcare related field.

    There is no reason why a universal healthcare system cannot be effective and return the power of decision making back to the physicians and healthcare professionals.

    We can do this and make it truely effective. But it will require that the healthcare professionals take control.

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  2. Chloe

    On the flip side, here is a blog post describing how our free, private health care system is NOT actually free. It says too much regulation and the Medieval guild system of doctors has hampered the free market. It compares health care to the computer industry, which is unregulated. Why Computers Work and Health Care Doesn’t. I would be interested in exploring this model as well. I don’t believe it should be required to see a doctor to get a prescription if you know what you need, similar to Mexico or Thailand. I do have reservations about allowing drugs to market based on a pharmaceutical company’s word though. —- I was considering starting a health insurance company, because I believe I have a solution to the problem. However, health insurance is not like fire insurance or car insurance. In order for a health insurance company to make money, it has to take in more than it spends. A house can survive its entire life 100+ years without fire, and a car can survive without an accident. If something does happen, the expense is limited to the cost of the house or car, $10k – $200k. However, with health insurance, every single person is virtually guaranteed to need a hospital in 10-30 years. A single surgery can cost $100k (bypass, transplant…). That expense must be amortized over a suitable period, plus profit, leading to the high cost of health insurance. The prices hospitals charge is highway robbery. One has no choice but to pay whatever the cost. If the fire chief demanded payment or a bribe before they put your house fire out, it would be unconscionable. However, hospitals cannot be solely blamed, as they need a profit as well. Not everyone pays them (indignants, aliens) so they pass the cost on to a smaller and smaller pool of people who will pay (insurance companies, the rich, governments). This is why I believe health care should be given to all citizens, to spread the burden thinner, and protect against the inevitable homeless running up costs. Perhaps non-emergency individual doctors may still be privatized, but as mentioned, a lot of people will choose the free care. I don’t know the solution to that, except to say that some people will pay extra to save time. I may start a pet insurance company instead, due to less regulation.

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  3. Survivor030406

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bruce-e-levine/congress-pummels-establis_b_117016.html

    Bruce E. Levine

    Congress Pummels Establishment Psychiatry but Neglects a Brave Psychiatrist

    Posted August 5, 2008 | 11:15 AM (EST)

    It has been a rough year for American psychiatry. In June 2008, Congressional investigators exposed the financial relationships between drug companies and several high-profile psychiatrists. And on July 12, 2008, the New York Times reported, “Now the profession itself is under attack in Congress,” as psychiatry’s premier professional organization — the American Psychiatric Association — was exposed as being heavily dependent on drug company money.

    However, Congress and the New York Times have neglected the more significant story: The corruption of psychiatry by Big Pharma has resulted in the suppression of effective treatment options and has marginalized courageous, innovative, and non-corrupt psychiatrists.

    First, a summary of the Congressional investigation of Big Pharma’s corruption of psychiatry, which has been covered in a series of articles by New York Times reporters Benedict Carey and Gardiner Harris.

    Congressional investigators initially focused on the financial relationships between drug companies and individual psychiatrists. One high-profile example is Joseph Biederman, about whom the New York Times reported: “A world-renowned Harvard child psychiatrist whose work has helped fuel an explosion in the use of powerful antipsychotic medicines in children earned at least $1.6 million in consulting fees from drug makers from 2000 to 2007.” Congressional investigators stated that Biederman and two of his colleagues in the psychiatry department at Harvard Medical School (who received an additional $2.6 million from drug companies from 2000 to 2007), by failing to report income from drug companies while at the same time receiving federal funds from the National Institutes of Health, violated rules designed to police conflicts of interest.

    Congress then investigated the American Psychiatric Association, which the New York Times called “the voice of establishment psychiatry.” The American Psychiatric Association is the primary lobbying organization for American psychiatry, and it also publishes the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM), which is the standard diagnostic manual. The New York Times reported:

    “In 2006, the latest year for which numbers are available, the drug industry accounted for about 30 percent of the association’s $62.5 million in financing. About half of that money went to drug advertisements in psychiatric journals and exhibits at the annual meeting, and the other half to sponsor fellowships, conferences and industry symposiums at the annual meeting.”

    Congressional investigators also discovered that the president-elect of the American Psychiatric Association (Alan Schatzberg of Stanford University) has $4.8 million stock holdings in a drug development company.

    My hope is that Congress and the New York Times eventually get around to the more important issue of how Big Pharma corruption of psychiatry has eliminated options for people with severe emotional problems and who have been failed by establishment psychiatry.

    One such option that was eliminated is Soteria House, the creation of psychiatrist Loren Mosher (1933-2004), chief of the National Institute of Mental Health’s Center for the Study of Schizophrenia from 1968 to 1980. Mosher hoped to create an effective and more humane way to help psychiatry’s most seriously troubled patients. Using National Institute of Mental Health funds, Mosher opened the first Soteria House in Santa Clara, California in 1971.

    Mosher’s Soteria House experiment is detailed by former Boston Globe reporter Robert Whitaker in Mad in America. In Soteria House, newly diagnosed schizophrenic patients lived medication-free with a young, nonprofessional staff trained to listen to and understand them and provide companionship. Mosher tested his idea that “schizophrenia can often be overcome with the help of meaningful relationships rather than with drugs, and that such treatment would eventually lead to unquestionably healthier lives.”

    The Soteria House experiment worked better than Mosher had expected. Over the initial six weeks, patients recovered as quickly as those treated with medication in hospitals. Whitaker notes, “Even more striking, the Soteria patients were staying well longer. Relapse rates were lower for the Soteria group at both one-year and two-year follow-ups. The Soteria patients were also functioning better socially — better able to hold jobs and attend schools.”

    Mosher’s success with nonprofessional caregivers and without drugs embarrassed establishment psychiatry and Big Pharma. The National Institute of Mental Health choked off Soteria House funding causing it to close down. By 1998 Mosher was so disgusted with establishment psychiatry that he wrote a widely publicized letter of resignation from the American Psychiatric Association.

    Loren Mosher remains a hero for many consumer and patient rights organizations such as MindFreedom. MindFreedom does not advocate abolishing the option of drug treatment but instead advocates for truly informed choice as well as for alternatives beyond establishment psychiatric treatments — alternatives such as Soteria House. The good news is that a new Soteria House is being created by attorney Jim Gottstein and other patient rights activists in Anchorage, Alaska.

    In a genuine democracy people would be asking questions. Do Americans have mental health treatment choices that are informed choices? Why, when Big Pharma corruption has long been known, does it take Congressional investigations for the mainstream media to inform Americans of the financial relationships that drug companies have with high-profile psychiatrists and major psychiatry institutions? And most importantly, when will Americans get real choices when it comes to their mental health?

    A real choice is not a choice between Prozac or Zoloft, not between Zyprexa or Risperdal. An example of a real choice is the choice between establishment psychiatry or Soteria House.

    Bruce E. Levine, Ph.D., is a clinical psychologist and author of Surviving America’s Depression Epidemic: How to Find Morale, Energy, and Community in a World Gone Crazy (Chelsea Green Publishing, 2007). http://www.brucelevine.net

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    1. Dorothee Krien

      Simply setting up an insurance system would only increase the profits of both the insurance companies and the medical-industrial complex – instead of improving overall health. What is needed is free access to health information and to safe and affordable treatments.
      As early as the 70s, David Horrobin found evidence that schizophrenia is a disorder of the metabolism, caused by a lack of essential fatty acids. Small amounts of linseed oil or other sources of omega3 oil are sufficient to make the sufferer free of symptoms. The research by Horrobin was the basis for the creation of the drug Clozapine – a drug with severe side effects – but the original research has not even entered mainstream psychiatry, in actual fact it has been suppressed. David Horrobin had to found his own scientific paper to be able to publish his research and trial reports. Newer atypical drugs like Zyprexa are not less dangerous, but are considerably more expensive – i.e. profitable for the producer – and are simply inaffordable for a patient who may have severe difficulties holding a job.
      As long as officials in the the FDA and government health departments work for the pharmaceutical industry’s interests they will damage public health; as long as universities get funding from the industry, scientists will only find the scientific “truth” according to Eli Lilly, Merck or Bayer.
      The rule “first do no harm” is being violated on a constant basis and violations of human rights in mental health institutions are fully condoned by the legal system when patients are put there under court order. Psychiatrists have become Big Pharma’s willing workers, “first do no harm” refers mainly to their sugar daddy’s profits. Like many scientists they believe to be immune to propaganda; those with the most blatant interests of conflict will declare none. Definitely it’s a new type of psychiatric disorder, delusions of no conflict of interest (DONCOI).
      Health freedom can be guaranteed only by providing truely independent research in the public interest, based on humane medicinal principles. Providing overall health insurance cover would be beneficial only if the protection of public health, freedom of information and best medical practice were guaranteed by a democratic state with checks and balances and not decided on by the industry and its henchmen. Follow the advance of the Codex Alimentarius agenda, pushed through by the World Trade Organisation which will make it a crime to inform your own children about the health benefits or dangers of food.
      Please read the following article by Jonathan Campbell
      http://www.cqs.com/schizophrenia.htm

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  4. Survivor030406

    Military Industrial Complex in bed W Pharmaceutical Indust Complex

    ALLIANCE FOR HUMAN RESEARCH PROTECTION
    Promoting Openness, Full Disclosure, and Accountability
    http://www.ahrp.org and http://ahrp.blogspot.com

    The Washington Times reports:
    “Currently, the VA and other federal agencies are conducting nearly 300 clinical studies involving veterans with PTSD. Most studies are behavioral, including one that tests the effects of yoga on PTSD sufferers. Twenty-five, however, are testing drugs on 4,796 veterans, more than half (2,488) of whom are just returning from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, according to clinical trials filed with the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and reviewed by The Times.”

    Perhaps no other news report involving unethical human experimentation demonstrates how far along the slippery slope the American government and the pharmaceutical industry have plunged. The report is about the
    exploitation of the vulnerability of disabled U.S. veterans who served in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    The veterans are being enrolled in an unethical drug experiment with the approval of the Department of Veterans Affairs, an experiment that exposes them to Pfizer’s controversial anti-smoking drug, Chantix, whose documented serious risks include psychotic episodes, violence and suicide.

    The FDA acknowledges that nearly 40 suicides and more than 400 incidents of suicidal behavior have since been linked to Chantix.

    “Just two weeks after Mr. Elliott began taking Chantix in November, the VA learned from the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) that the drug was linked to a large number of hallucinations, suicide attempts and psychotic behavior. But the VA did not alert Mr. Elliott before his own episode in February. In failing to do so, Mr. Elliott said, the VA treated him like a “disposable hero.” “You’re a lab rat for $30 a month,” Mr. Elliott said.

    In all, nearly 1,000 veterans with PTSD were enrolled in the study to test different methods of ending smoking, with 143 using Chantix. Twenty-one of the veterans testing Chantix reported adverse effects from the drug, including one who suffered suicidal thoughts.

    This government supported medical atrocity was uncovered by an investigation by The Washington Times and ABC News which is airing the report under the heading “Disposable Heroes”
    http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5180437&page=1

    Contact: Vera Hassner Sharav
    veracare@…
    212-595-8974

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    VA testing drugs on war veterans – Experiments raise ethical questions
    http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jun/17/va-testing-drugs-on-war-veterans/
    THE WASHINGTON TIMES
    Audrey Hudson (Contact)
    Tuesday, June 17, 2008

    The government is testing drugs with severe side effects like psychosis and suicidal behavior on hundreds of military veterans, using small cash payments to attract patients into medical experiments that often target
    distressed soldiers returning from Iraq and Afghanistan, a Washington Times/ABC News investigation has found.
    In one such experiment involving the controversial anti-smoking drug Chantix, the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) took three months to alert its patients about severe mental side effects. The warning did not arrive until after one of the veterans taking the drug had suffered a psychotic episode that ended in a near lethal confrontation with police.

    Veteran James Elliott arrives at the Veterans Affairs Medical Center in Washington for his scheduled substance-abuse class in April. Mr. Elliott, a chain smoker, served 15 months in Iraq as an Army sharpshooter and suffers post-traumatic stress disorder. Iraq war veteran James Elliott opted for a government clinical trial for a smoking-cessation drug for $30 a month, starting in November. Two weeks later, the FDA informed the VA of serious side effects.

    Iraq war veteran James Elliott smokes on his porch in Silver Spring as he talks about his experiences in war and dealing with post-traumatic stress disorder. Mr. Elliott suffered a psychotic episode while taking the
    anti-smoking drug Chantix.

    James Elliott, a decorated Army sharpshooter who suffers from post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) after serving 15 months in Iraq, was confused and psychotic when he was Tasered by police in February as he reached for a concealed handgun when officers responded to a 911 call at his Maryland home.
    For photos, video of James Elliott, official FDA documents and more, visit the interactive site for the Disposable Heroes report. Mr. Elliott, a chain smoker, began taking Chantix last fall as part of a VA experiment that specifically targeted veterans with PTSD, opting to collect $30 a month for enrolling in the clinical trial because he needed cash as he returned to school. He soon began suffering hallucinations and suicidal thoughts, unaware that the new drug he was taking could have caused them.

    Just two weeks after Mr. Elliott began taking Chantix in November, the VA learned from the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) that the drug was linked to a large number of hallucinations, suicide attempts and psychotic behavior. But the VA did not alert Mr. Elliott before his own episode in February.
    In failing to do so, Mr. Elliott said, the VA treated him like a “disposable hero.”
    “You’re a lab rat for $30 a month,” Mr. Elliott said.

    One of the nation’s premier medical ethicists said the VA’s behavior in the anti-smoking study violated basic protections for humans in medical experiments. “When you’re taking advantage of a very vulnerable population, people who have served the country, and the agency that’s responsible for their welfare
    isn’t putting their welfare first, that’s a pretty serious breach of ethics,” said Arthur Caplan, director of the Center for Bioethics at the University of Pennsylvania.
    In all, nearly 1,000 veterans with PTSD were enrolled in the study to test different methods of ending smoking, with 143 using Chantix. Twenty-one veterans reported adverse effects from the drug, including one who suffered suicidal thoughts, the three-month investigation by The Times and ABC News found.

    Mr. Caplan, who reviewed the consent and notification forms for the study at the request of The Times and ABC News, said the VA deserved an “F” and that it has an obligation to end the study, given the vulnerability of veterans with PTSD and the known side effects of Chantix. “Continuing it doesn’t make any ethical sense,” he said.
    The VA continues to test Chantix on veterans, even as reported problems with the drug increase and have prompted at least one other federal agency to take action. On May 21, the Federal Aviation Administration banned airline pilots and air traffic control personnel from taking Chantix, citing the adverse side effects.

    The VA responds

    VA officials defend their use of veterans in medical studies, saying that helping PTSD sufferers to stop smoking would prolong their lives. As for the three-month delay in notifying its patients about the Chantix problems, the VA said bureaucracy slowed down their warning because the alert letters had to be issued through an Institutional Review Board (IRB) that oversees the experiment at each VA location.

    “We don’t have the authority to just send directly to patients material that has not been approved by the IRB sites,”said Miles McFall, director of the VA’s programs for PTSD sufferers. “We did sense urgency. And we respond to that urgency doing just what we did here, which was, I think, incredibly quick response for a governmental institution. “We believe that we took responsible action by informing the clinicians who are the people most in touch with the patients to be on the lookout for any potential side effects and to respond appropriately,” he said.

    While Mr. Elliott blames Chantix for his mental breakdown and confrontation with police, VA officials said they cannot be sure. “We don’t know that Chantix was the cause of this, first of all. And it’s presumed that that’s the case. We don’t know that to be a fact,” Mr. McFall said.
    Mr. McFall said the veterans with PTSD in the anti-smoking study “are at high risk to use tobacco” and the goal of the experiment is to determine how best to deliver treatment – through a mental health counselor or a smoking clinic. Chantix was one of several options tested on the veterans.

    “FDA approved, and that drug is available to help individuals stop smoking and VA makes that drug available,” Mr. McFall said. “It does not deny access to them.”
    Asked about adverse reactions now linked to the drug, Mr. McFall said: “We are certainly aware of FDA warnings and we took all precautions … so it can be used safely. All drugs have side effects or potential side effects.”

    Dark history of medical tests
    The government has a controversial history of using military personnel as human research subjects.
    Mustard gas was tested on the military during World War II, radiation during the early Cold War period, LSD in the 1960s, herbicide in Vietnam and Panama, and chemical and biological warfare drugs during the Gulf War, according to Senate testimony given by the Vietnam Veterans of America (VVA) on July 10, 2002.

    In most of those cases, few if any military test subjects were informed of the potential health consequences of the exposure. “We have a phrase to describe this phenomenon – the disposable soldier syndrome,” said Richard Weidman, former VVA director of government relations. The most infamous government experiment is the Tuskegee Syphilis Study conducted by the U.S. Public Health Service from 1932 through 1972, which used 400 poor and uneducated black male sharecroppers who carried the sexually transmitted disease.

    The men were purposely undiagnosed and untreated for a disease that already had progressed to late stages, and were studied through autopsy. The government effectively blocked the unwitting participants, who also were drafted in 1940 to serve in WWII, from receiving medical treatment for symptoms they were told were caused by “bad blood.” Of the participants, 28 men died of the disease, 100 others died from complications brought on by syphilis, and the disease spread to 40 wives and 19 children.

    Ongoing tests with vets
    The VA has extensive screening of veterans who enroll in medical experiments and requires detailed consent forms to ensure patients know about the potential complications and benefits.

    Currently, the VA and other federal agencies are conducting nearly 300 clinical studies involving veterans with PTSD. Most studies are behavioral, including one that tests the effects of yoga on PTSD sufferers.

    Twenty-five, however, are testing drugs on 4,796 veterans, more than half (2,488) of whom are just returning from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, according to clinical trials filed with the National Institutes of Health
    (NIH) and reviewed by The Times.

    One study conducted by the National Institute of Mental Health is using virtual-reality exposure – sights, sounds and smells from the Iraq battlefield, along with a drug called D-Cycloserine that reduces fear.

    Other studies are testing drugs on veterans with PTSD, including the antidepressants paroxetine, mirtazapine and citalopram – all carry warnings of suicidal side effects.
    “Over 150,000 soldiers are currently deployed in Iraq as part of Operation Iraqi Freedom (OIF) and 12 percent of returning OIF veterans have PTSD,” said one study that is using the drug paroxetine on 160 veterans “who have returned from the Iraq theater within the past six months.”

    Warnings about taking paroxetine include “suicidal thinking about harming or killing oneself or planning to trying to do so” among young adults up to 24 years of age, according to NIH.

    Another study on the use of mirtazapine for veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan is testing the efficacy and tolerability of the drug on 100 veterans. Citalopram is being tested on 300 veterans “exposed to high levels of combat stress.”

    The NIH warning for paroxetine also applies to mirtazapine and citalopram.

    The VA has not revealed how many veterans are registered in an experiment to study the effects of divalproex in the treatment of PTSD, but the FDA warned health care professionals on Jan. 31 it had received reports of suicide and suicidal thoughts linked to the anticonvulsant drug.
    Smoking study’s fine print
    Mr. Elliott was one of 940 veterans with PTSD who participated in the Veterans Affairs Cooperative Studies Program (CSP) # 519, “smoking-cessation treatment for veterans with post traumatic stress disorder” ongoing at 10 VA clinics.

    The CSP studies date back to the 1940s, when 10,000 veterans suffering from tuberculosis were recruited into VA studies to test different drugs to treat the disease.

    The smoking-cessation study uses nicotine replacement products like gum and patches as well as Chantix – a drug that is supposed to block certain brain receptors that make smoking pleasurable. The $11 million taxpayer-funded study was approved in 2004, two years before the FDA approved Chantix for prescription use. The FDA says that nearly 40 suicides and more than 400 incidents of suicidal behavior have since been linked to Chantix.

    Mr. Elliott began taking Chantix on Nov. 6. Two weeks later, on Nov. 20, the FDA issued its first alert that it had “received reports of suicidal thoughts and aggressive and erratic behavior in patients who have taken Chantix,” also known as varenicline.

    “A preliminary assessment reveals that many of the cases reflect new-onset of depressed mood, suicidal ideation, and changes in emotion and behavior within days to weeks of initiating Chantix treatment,” the November FDA alert said.
    “The role of Chantix in these cases is not clear because smoking cessation, with or without treatment, is associated with nicotine withdrawal symptoms and has also been associated with the exacerbation of underlying psychiatric illness. However, not all patients described in these cases had pre-existing psychiatric illness and not all had discontinued smoking,” the FDA said.

    On Jan. 18, the drug manufacturer Pfizer revised its warning label to state “patients who are attempting to quit smoking with Chantix should be observed for serious neuropsychiatric symptoms, including changes in behavior, agitation, depressed mood, suicidal ideation and suicidal behavior.”

    On Feb. 1, the FDA held a news conference to announce that new health risks have been associated with the drug.
    VA officials started addressing the FDA alert on Nov. 26 and Dec. 4 with conference calls among government officials “to inform prescribers about these potential problems and advise patients accordingly,” according to a
    timeline agency officials provided The Times.

    On Feb. 4, VA officials were told to “formulate and approve an action plan,” and on Feb. 13, a second consent form and letter was submitted for approval by VA officials.
    The letter received by Mr. Elliott and other veterans was dated Feb. 29, more than three weeks after he already had suffered his mental breakdown and confrontation with police.

    VA letter watered down?
    While the alerts from Pfizer and the FDA clearly mentioned suicide and suicidal thoughts as possible side effects, the VA’s letter to its veterans used no such language.
    “Scientists have recently learned that varenicline can sometimes have serious side effects in some people,” the VA letter said. “These side effects may include an increase in psychiatric symptoms such as anxiety, nervousness, tension and depression as well as untoward changes in behavior.”
    Asked why the letter omitted the most significant side effect, Mr. McFall said “the more verbiage you use, the more difficult and lengthy it becomes, hard to read. It’s more likely veterans won’t pay attention to it if you
    overdo.”

    However, a secondary research consent form sent with the letter that participants are now being asked to sign cites “changes in behavior, anxiety, nervousness, tension, depression, thoughts of suicide, and attempted and completed suicide.”

    Mr. McFall said the serious side effects were included in the secondary consent form, and not the notification letter, because “it’s better to have the letter be brief” so that it is not a “burden for people who sometimes have problems reading.” “They have eyesight problems,” Mr. McFall said. “Many of our veterans are getting elderly, so we’re trying to keep things simple and to the point, while at the same time pointing them to the most important document, which is the consent form.”

    Veterans who are participating in the smoking-cessation program are carefully screened to ensure they are not suicidal, psychotic or homicidal, Mr. McFall said.
    According to the VA research consent form Mr. Elliott initially signed, he would be required to fill out questionnaires “about some war zone events that you may have experienced” and interviews “regarding symptoms of other psychiatric disorders and your use of drugs and alcohol.” “Has there been a time in the past month when things were so bad that you were thinking a lot about death or that you would be better off dead?” is one example question listed on the consent form.

    Mr. Elliott filled out monthly checklists on the extent to which he had nightmares about his military experience or flashbacks, became “super alert” or on guard, and whether he had a “feeling as if your future will somehow be cut short.”

    Chantix debate
    New York Magazine writer Derek De Koff detailed the nightmares and suicidal behavior he suffered while on Chantix in a Feb. 10 article, and said that at one point he felt like throwing himself in front of a tour bus or crashing his head into a computer screen. “All this seemed logical, but also weirdly funny, even at the time: I could see how crazy these impulses were, I could recognize them as suicidal cliches. But I couldn’t make them go away,” Mr. De Koff wrote.

    In September, musician Jeffrey Carter Albrecht was shot by a neighbor who mistook him for a burglar. The guitarist and keyboardist who once played with Edie Brickell & New Bohemians went on a rant that friends say was fueled by alcohol and the drug Chantix.

    A spokesman for Pfizer could not be reached after three calls seeking comment. However, in full-page ads published May 29 in several newspapers including USA Today, Dr. Joseph Feczko, Pfizer chief medical officer, said the company is “committed to patient safety” and “furthering our knowledge of Chantix.”
    The FDA has declined to pull Chantix from the market, citing the health benefits of smoking cessation. “This actually is a very important drug,” Dr. Celia Winchell, team leader for the FDA division of anesthesia, analgesia and rheumatology, said during the February teleconference announcing the new warning.

    “Although we are getting these reports, there’s also a lot of anecdotal reports out there where this drug has worked when no other drug would,” Dr. Winchell said.
    “Smoking itself has very serious consequences. And so I think it’s important to try to manage the risk associated with the drug, also realizing that it has a lot of benefits for some folks,” Dr. Winchell said.

    More than 5,000 people were treated with the drug in preliminary trials before it was approved for prescription use. However, patients with serious psychiatric illness such as schizophrenia, bipolar disorder and major depressive disorder did not participate in those tests.

    Ethics of future VA tests

    Mr. Caplan, the bioethicist, said that using veterans with PTSD in clinical trials carries a “high risk” that must be addressed by the VA. “Researchers have a special obligation to vets with PTSD since they are a vulnerable population somewhat prone to threats or even violence against themselves or others,” he said. “They need to keep a hawklike eye on subjects involved in high stress experiments and make sure that families and friends are involved and on board any research projects to help monitor subjects.” “I am not against research to try and improve the health of those with PTSD but only if it is done with the highest levels of consent, transparency, supervision and accountability,” he said.

    Mr. Caplan recommended several steps the government should adopt before allowing future testing on vulnerable veterans, including more participation by families and veterans on committees that review and approve research proposals.

    Future studies that involve veterans with PTSD also should receive special approval from the VA secretary. And a clear policy should be established that prohibits drugs reported to have serious side effects be tested on populations at risk of those side effects, including veterans with PTSD, he said.

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  5. Survivor030406

    Federal Court Affirms Family’s Right to Sue School RE: TeenScreen

    ALLIANCE FOR HUMAN RESEARCH PROTECTION – Promoting Openness, Full Disclosure, and Accountability
    http://www.ahrp.org and http://ahrp.blogspot.com

    A federal court has given the green light for a lawsuit to proceed against the school which had subjected 15 year old Chelsea Rhoades to a controversial mental screening test, TeenScreen, without her parents’ written informed consent.

    For those unfamiliar with TeenScreen: It is one of the most insidious government endorsed dragnets. A mental screening tool with an 84% false-positive rate – as acknowledged by its author, Dr. David Shaffer, child psychiatry chairman of Columbia University. [1]

    Hard to imagine that a screening tool whose predictive accuracy is only 16% – yet it is being promoted and used in schools across the country – 43 states in 450 schools. Healthy children are being branded as mentally unstable and /or suicidal, serving as a means to increase the market for psychotropic drugs.
    See:
    http://ahrp.blogspot.com/2007/01/mental-screening-drganet-targets-every.html

    However, such a mental disorders dragnet assures the mental health industry–in particular, psychotropic drug manufactures – an endless supply of young clients who are deemed by an invalid subject test to suffer from otherwise undiagnosed “mental disorders.”

    The Rutherford Institute is representing Chelsea and her parents in this precedent-setting case on the basis of violation of written informed consent.

    Reference:
    The Columbia SuicideScreen: Validity and Reliability of a Screen for Youth Suicide and Depression
    DAVID SHAFFER, F.R.C.PSYCH. (LOND), MICHELLE SCOTT, PH.D., HOLLY WILCOX, M.A., CAREY MASLOW, PH.D., ROGER HICKS, B.A., CHRISTOPHER P. LUCAS, M.D., ROBIN GARFINKEL, PH.D., AND STEVEN GREENWALD, M.A. Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, 2004; 43(1), 71-79

    Contact: Vera Hassner Sharav, veracare@…, 212-595-8974
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    Teen Screen Lawsuit Advances: Federal Court Affirms Family s Right to Sue School for Subjecting Teen to Mental Health Test Without Parental Consent

    For Immediate Release: AUGUST 6, 2008
    http://www.rutherford.org/articles_db/press_release.asp?article_id=723

    SOUTH BEND, Ind. A federal court has given the green light to a civil rights lawsuit filed by Rutherford Institute attorneys in defense of a 15-year-old Indiana student who was subjected by school officials to a controversial mental health examination without the knowledge or consent of her parents. In ruling that the lawsuit filed on behalf of Chelsea Rhoades and her parents, Michael and Teresa Rhoades, may proceed to trial, the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Indiana upheld the claims that the local school district deprived the Rhoades family of their federal constitutional rights to family integrity and privacy when it subjected Chelsea to the “TeenScreen” examination.

    A copy of the lawsuit is available here
    http://www.rutherford.org/PDF/Filed_Complaint.pdf

    “This ruling rightly recognizes that parents have an intrinsic right to control their children’s education, as well as safeguard their mental and physical well-being,” stated John W. Whitehead, president of The Rutherford Institute.

    On December 7, 2004, Chelsea Rhoades, a student at Penn High School in Mishawaka, Ind., was subjected to a mental health examination known as TeenScreen by personnel with the Madison Center for Children, a local mental health center. The mental health exam consisted of questions seeking only a yes or no answer, with no opportunity to explain or offer an alternative response. Only students with an opt-out slip were excused from taking the exam. All other students were divided into groups of 10-15, herded into classrooms and placed in front of computers.

    After completing the examination and being escorted into a private hallway by an employee of Madison Center, Chelsea was informed that, based on her responses that she liked to clean and didn’t like to party very much, she suffered from at least two mental health problems, obsessive compulsive disorder and social anxiety disorder. Chelsea was also told that if her condition worsened, her mother should take her to the Madison Center for treatment. According to Chelsea, a majority of the students who were subjected to the TeenScreen exam were also told they were suffering from some sort of mental or social disorder. Chelsea s parents were not informed about the mental health screening exam until after it had taken place, when Chelsea spoke to them about her so-called diagnosis.

    In September 2005, Rutherford Institute attorneys filed suit in federal district court on behalf of the Rhoades family, charging that school officials violated Chelsea s constitutional right to be free from unnecessary intrusions by the state. In rejecting the school district’s attempt to have the case dismissed, the court also ruled that the school is liable for the false diagnosis of mental illness that was given to Chelsea.

    Mental health screening exams like TeenScreen have increasingly been adopted by schools in 43 states, reportedly as part of an effort to identify
    students with mental health problems or at-risk tendencies for suicide that cannot be seen outwardly. However, while federal and state law generally
    requires that parents grant written consent in order for their children to take mental health screening exams, some schools had relied on “passive consent” forms in order to administer the exams. Passive consent requires parents to return a form only if they do not want their child to participate in the screening. However, according to the federal Protection of Pupil Rights Amendment, as well as Indiana state law, schools are required to
    obtain “written parental consent” before engaging in such programs as mental health screening.

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  6. Chloe

    @hoosier man: I’m not convinced people will run to the ER for skinned knees. For one, gas is expensive. Two, so what if a nurse put the antiseptic and band-aid on. 30 seconds. The government already has restrictions on smoking, eating, and drinking, and we are still privatized! Many states (NY & FL) have no smoking indoor laws. NYC & California banned trans fats in restaurants. All states have drinking age limits, and cities dictate closing time and zoning laws. That isn’t really an effective argument. With all uninsured paying more taxes, that would lower the burden on those who currently pay premiums. We’ll have to ask an accountant to verify that. My dad goes to the VA. It’s great. He has all medical and drug expenses covered. Even Viagra which I don’t think insurance companies cover! That might be excessive but that’s besides the point. The only thing they don’t cover is dental, which is weird. Sicko covered Canada and Cuba too, which are not part of Europe. I’ve also heard from Australians their health service is covered as well, except for premium dental (?). I’m also not convinced drug companies are involved in a conspiracy to drug the world. Patents only last 20 years, so cheap generics are normally always available. I’m sure many people need mind drugs, especially homeless people (schizophrenia), but it would help them not debilitate them. If they could get treatment free, they would stop smelling up your doorstep, plus they would be productive tax payers. This is another example of a communal benefit.

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  7. Survivor

    In America, the medical industrial cartel is already trampling on our liberty’s. It’s called involuntary commitment. People are getting locked up and forced to take debilitating-mind altering drugs for no good reason at all, other then the fact that there is a lot of profit involved. And once this happens to an individual, that person is denied their constitutional right to own a fire arm.
    It is true that this country is moving closer and closer to socialism because the political leaders have totally sold out to special interests, and not your interests.
    Anyway, Ron Paul delivered a ton of babies, so he must know about how the Hippocratic oath has been destroyed by corrupt and lazy medical workers who have sold out to Big Pharma and the HMO’s.

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  8. hoosier man

    Lets do a hypothetical scenerio:
    Lets imagine that a socialist medical agenda gets passed in congress. We have a national healthcare system were you basically walk into a hospital and get helped(no questions asked). Sounds good right? The overall consensus would be that it is a necessary goverment institution like the military.
    Ok, that is the way the socialists want it. But, lets come back down to reality for a minute. I feel that people would start going to the ER for every little thing that happens to them. Little Jimmy falls off his bike and skins his knee. Normally he would just get antiseptic and a band-aid, but since it is “free”, run him down to the ER and let “Doc” check him out. Small and insignificant issues would now become the resposibilty of all the other taxpayers. The goverment(taxpayers) would be paying the bills so eventually the high cost of the socialized medicine would cause the public to cry for restrictions on smoking, eating, drinking and anything else that would be a personal health decision of the individual. If you need an example of American socialized healthcare look no further than your local VA clinic. Veterans have been getting pushed around for decades and lied to by the very same goverment that everyone is wanting to take over the healthcare. I am not going to make the same ol Libertarian market based arguments, because I am convinced we WILL become socilaized very soon. I am Libertarian, but I want to try to argue against socialism through its own demerits rather than the fact Libertarian free market healthcare just being better.
    *By the way, European socialism(SICKO-movie) is a tired argument for socialism since Europe’s population is declining and there is stagnant economy there at best. Whenever Europe gets more socialistic there civil liberties get trampled on. Lets focus on America…

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  9. Chloe

    Ron, you said “Forced nationalization will give us even longer waiting periods, severe lack of choice, further deterioration of health care quality, final prohibition of alternative health treatments, higher taxes, and sadly (for some) permanent illness or death because they could not get the care they needed.” However, that is not the findings in the Sicko documentary, nor is it how foreigners describe on the internet. I believe health care must be socialized like fire service because you can’t comparison shop in an emergency. If your house is burning down, you don’t have time to find the cheapest fire truck. Likewise, if you are unconscious, you can’t shop around for the cheapest hospital. Health care should be part of a society’s infrastructure like sewer lines, roads, police, and firehouses. A healthy population benefits all through higher productivity and less communicable disease. Yes the taxes will be higher, but they will be offset with the elimination of insurance premiums. Having all uninsured forced to pay will also offset the increase. Please consider.

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  10. Helena

    Ron Paul could not be more right about America’s health care system! I have long believed that the problem with our health care program has not been a lack of funds/insurance for the individual, but the program itself. The FDA has become a heavily corrupted system, making pharmaceutical companies greedy businesses. The FDA no longer cares about curing individuals with severe health problems, its primary concern is to create and prescribe a drug to treat any kind of physical ailment; be the drug necessary or not, the FDA only cares about numbing the pain but never curing the cause of it. They can’t cure the health problems of Americans, because how would that earn them more money? No, they are a business that manufactures prescription drugs. They prescribe drugs (of which 95% are unnecessary) to more often than not, create side effects so that the individual will get more drugs for those side effects, and on goes the vicious cycle. No one wins except the FDA and the pharmaceutical companies. What’s worse, is that medical school is now brainwashing America’s future doctors so that they will not question this corrupt system. In short, America’s health care system is a sickening and vicious cycle. But it is wonderful to see that some doctors like Dr. Paul have not been brought in by it.

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    1. Survivor030406

      The FDA does not manufacture or prescribe drugs.

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  11. Survivor

    “All the years of FDA trials cost alot.”

    And it isn’t your taxes that are paying for it.
    Those trials are paid for entirely by pharma cartel blood money.
    The FDA doesn’t even conduct clinical trials, it’s the pharma co’s that do it.
    “FDA trial”…. two words that don’t go together.
    The FDA should be on trial.
    The FDA doesn’t have a safety review process before bringing new drugs to market. They have an approval process, and there’s a difference.
    Why isn’t Stablon FDA approved? Why isn’t Proviron FDA approved?
    Why isn’t PT-141 FDA approved?
    I’ll tell you why. Because the companies that make those drugs aren’t involved in making bribes and shady back door deals with the dirtbags at the FDA.

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  12. Survivor

    “All the years of FDA trials cost alot.”

    And it isn’t your taxes that are paying for it.
    Those trials are paid for entirely by pharma blood money.
    The FDA doesn’t even conduct clinical trials, it’s the pharma co’s that do it.
    “FDA trial” ….two words that don’t go together.
    The FDA should be on trial.

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    1. EllsworthT

      The pharmaceutical companies pass the cost of the drug trials to the consumers. The regulations that regulate the trials, the bureaucrats that write them, and the buildings they occupy are paid for with tax dollars.

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  13. Survivor

    “Why does there need to be a “solution” to healthcare?”

    Because the system is broken. American “healthcare” is killing 300,000 Americans per year.(AMA) We are near the bottom of the list in life expectancy compared to every other industrialized nation in the world.

    “the people who pay to develop these miracle drugs foot the bills and the risk in developing them.”

    There is no such thing as a “miracle drug”.
    Watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRJN_NfyiH4&feature=user
    Big Pharma spends more “money on advertising than developing drugs. And the risk is already factored in as a cost of doing business. A settlement of $500 million is nothing to them since they make that much $ alone by routinely defrauding the medicaid system.

    “All the years of FDA trials cost alot.”

    And how much is that? The Reagan administration fudged up the FDA funding in the 80′s and ever since then Big Pharma has OWNED the FDA. Watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxJomeak4V4
    Also note the FACT that the FDA doesn’t even inspect 99% of clinical trials. And 90% of the drugs marketed in the US are imported from China and India, countries which don’t have any quality control, and the FDA doesn’t inspect 97% of those imports.
    The FDA doesn’t even know where the bad tomatoes came from.

    “I applaud the companies and risk takers for their dedication to making new drugs.”

    Do you applaud their “miracle drugs” like phen=fen and redux, too?
    The list of defective drugs that are developed and approved goes on and on….

    “If a person makes a cure for cancer, do you not think they should be compensated for their work just like a baseball player or actor?”
    They should be paid fairly. And I also think they should win a Nobel peace prize. But the reality is that the big pharma drug cartel has immense political influence, so if a person invents a cure for cancer, they will probably be imprisoned with a life sentence. You see, the big pharma drug cartel is not in business to cure anything. They are in business to make money. And the money is in symptom management. Not cures. In a business sense it’s almost genius. A customer for life is exponentially more profitable than a short term customer.

    “do you not think they should be compensated for their work just like a baseball player or actor?”

    Baseball players and actors aren’t killing 300,000 Americans per year, so that comparison is not fair to the Baseball players and actors.

    “It costs a lot to go to the doctor for various reasons.”

    The majority of that cost is: marketing, unnecessary testing, unnecessary treatment, unnecessary billing, unnecessary appointments, treatments for unnecessary aitrogenic (doctor inflicted) illnesses. One out of five hospitalizations are the result of a previous medical error. If those errors are reduced, wouldn’t insurance cost go down too?
    Psychiatry charges health insurance companies $69 billion per year, doubling the cost of health care. So if you want to cut insurance cost in half… outlaw psychiatry.

    “The idiots who sue a doctor, because grandpa died smoking 3 packs a day and drank a gallon of beer drives up healthcare costs.”

    No. When grandpa dies from smoking, the family sues the tobacco company. Doctors don’t prescribe tobacco.

    “Why is it ok for a welfare momma to win a $50,000,000 goverment backed lottery ticket”

    Because when a welfare mom purchases a lottery ticket she has entered into a legally binding gambling contract with the state.

    “but not ok for an oil executive in charge of a 3 billion dollar company to get paid $2,000,000?”

    Who is the oil exec that is prohibited from making more money?
    Name please? Or maybe you can contact the oil tycoon directly and ask him yourself why he is so underpaid.

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    1. longshotlouie

      More than half of the 300,000 you mention are dead because of reactions to perscription drugs and botched surgeries, and that number will go through the roof with socialistic medicine.

      You cannot make a determination on the subject using only the extreme.

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      1. Survivor030406

        The 300,000 figure is extremely conservative. A more thorough investigation has revealed the true number to be in the millions.
        I should have made something else clear during the previous post as well. THE FDA DOES NOT DO CLINICAL TRIALS!!!
        What these crooks do is look over phony papers written by marketing companies and were signed by a doctor who had nothing to do with the so-called trial. (ghost writing)
        And the trials are a total fraud. Look up Sen. Grassley, and his investigation on this issue. Big pharma concocted a trial for anti=depressant drugs like this:
        Placebo group – all suicidal people.
        Drug group – non suicidal people.

        This way the pharm then states that there is no difference in suicidality between the groups. But in reality the drugs caused 100% of the suicides. And the FDA then approves this poison. When the post market suicides are reported to medwatch, the data is ignored, never made publicly available.
        And when someone pulls teeth to get the data, the FDA writes it off as “anecdotal evidence” i.e. not important.

        Geezus Fokin Krist people, wake up and do your research.

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    2. Survivor  030406

      Just an update here. I think the number of Americans killed by doctors is at least 7 million. Doctors routinely falsify records after the fact as a cover up. No more than 1 percent of drug reactions and medical errors are reported to the respective authorities. Doctors also don’t turn in their colleges in crime.

      The brutal inhumane cult of psychiatry is an establishment of slavery, eugenics, and murder for profit. And they are billing $72billion a year, doubling the cost of health care. There is no science to anything psychiatry does. Psychiatry invents fictitious diseases by voting them into existence. Have you ever voted before? If so, did you think that you were making a break-through-life-saving scientific discovery? Or did you think you were practicing politics?
      In summery, the two most effective primary objectives required to make the American health care abomination, safer and cheaper is thus:

      1: Outlaw psychiatry. (which will cut ins cost in 1/2)
      2: Make hospital a police state to monitor the murderers.

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      1. Jan

        Survivor:
        Fluoride in your drinking water, and in toothpaste is unconstitutional because it is mass medicating you with
        the toxic waste of Flourisic acid, which is the same toxin that the drug,Prozac is made from. Doctors love to prescribe Prozac don’t they! Creating emotionless zombies!
        Applied to the teeth yes, not to be ingested, causing brain damage in babies if tap water is used with formula, causes osteoporosis,and its poison…..Hitler and Stalin put in their water system! Creating Zombies before the kill!
        http://www.actionpa.org/fluoride/chemicals/chemicals.html
        http://www.just-think-it.com/f-facts.htm

        Aspartame(man made amino acid and toxic according to scientist’s, I spoke with, who said “the USA must get that out of their food chain it is very toxic”, he had been working on a new sweetner for one of the cola’s at MSU for 5 years, I was telling him that my doctor told me to stop drinking soda’s cuz it was causing my migraines, and did and I haven’t had a migrain since, but I have to read the labels all the time now cuz its in so many of our foods) is another one that the FDA has been allowed to put into 5,000 food products in our food chain…….
        causing massive rise in migraines,TIA’s, seizures and strokes, and I believe weight gain…….
        Aspartame Warning
        Dr. Bill Douglass Reveals The Ugly
        Truth About the Poisonous Sweetner
        http://www.douglassreport.com/

        Dangers of Aspartame Poisoning!
        The dangers of aspartame poisoning have been a well guarded secret since the 1980s. The research and history of aspartame is conclusive as a cause of …
        http://www.sweetpoison.com/aspartame-information.html

        As far as the toxicity of all Pharmaceuticals that is correct. They are toxic and FDA knows they are, as doctors know they are, but they “Practice Medicine” don’t they????? What do you expect then……?
        In order to be FDA approved,all drugs are issued a LD-50 or LD-100. Each drug is monitored after giving it to the “rat”, and watched as doseage’s increase to first the side effects, then the adverse reactions and then death and maybe a antidote, if they can find one.
        LD means, Level given causing Death.
        Any drug must go through the above criteria…or have a LD rating before being approved. Now to me that means it’s toxic to my body…..from the get go!
        Why do you think they have to issue the drug insert or when drug companies advertise they have to tell you all the side effects……
        Why do nurses have to know what to watch for and report the side effects to the doctors…..( We/Nurses, had to know them I should say,but its been my experience with the “microwave” nurses they are putting through these community college programs that they don’t know, but half of what we had to know. You ask them what the drug is for or what it does and they can’t tell you …..they answer…”(oh I would have to look it up cuz there are so many drugs out there now that I give that I don’t know what they do!) Therefore, if she doesn’t know what they do, then she probably doesn’t know, what to look for if the patient is having an adverse reaction!
        So, yes all medications have side effects. Even Chemo therapy does….it kills not just the cancerous cells but ALL the cells….my instructor in BioChem told us never to take Chemo….unless you want to be a living dead person.
        And get sicker than a dog as it’s killing everyone of your cells and all the dead cells cause you to throw up. They give you nothing to help your immune system sweep up the debride being thrown into your blood stream and kidneys and lymph system….Our Macrophages are wonderful little sweepers of the bad stuff but they kill them off with the Chemo, its a pretty tough road to hoe. NOt that I don’t get their logic behind it…..but why not after 50 years haven’t they tried to come up with something better? Also, one of those side effects of that toxic Chemo Therapy is and they know it….that it may kill the cancer cells, but in 5 to 10 years after having a that toxin injected in yah you will die from cancer because it causes cancer! That to me is false hope if I ever heard of one.
        Dr. Geyser has a another plan that works, check out his clinic someday……and the Amercian Cancer Clinics subscribes to his ways of treating cancers too.
        Study supplements and immune enhancers and find those who know about them and take them to at least try to prevent disease by maintaining your bodies normal functioning chemically with them……..your body with a healthy lifestyle and nutrition and a healthy immune system can pretty much take care of its own healing…….There are many many doctors who love the study of the normal body chemistry and help you maintain it or correct it with nutritional supplementation.
        That is how a veterinarian has keep animals free of diseases, just ask a vet professor in our universities…I’ve always picked peoples brains…and gain a ton of knowledge that way. One day I was talking with a vet professor about this subject, and I wondered why if knew what supplements prevent certain diseases in animals, why the doctors don’t know this, he said, because, “a sick animal does not bring profit, where a sick human does” And then he said we have always supplemented animals feed if we don’t they too would get sick because there are no longer any real nutrients in our soil and therefore even in our foods. There is a ton of info on that subject also, which I do not want to expound on……
        As far as meds go no one knows more than a really good Pharmacists…I think they should be the profession that does the prescibing not a doctor. Maybe then there would be less practicing of meds going on ……….in us!

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      2. Jan

        Survivor:
        Fluoride in your drinking water, and in toothpaste is unconstitutional because it is mass medicating you with
        the toxic waste of Flourisic acid, which is the same toxin that the drug,Prozac is made from. Doctors love to prescribe Prozac don’t they! Creating emotionless zombies!
        Applied to the teeth yes, not to be ingested, causing brain damage in babies if fluoridated tap water is used with formula, causes osteoporosis,and its poison…..Hitler and Stalin put in their water system! Creating Zombies before the kill!
        http://www.actionpa.org/fluoride/chemicals/chemicals.html
        http://www.just-think-it.com/f-facts.htm

        Aspartame(man made amino acid and toxic according to scientist’s, I spoke with, who said “the USA must get that out of their food chain it is very toxic”, he had been working on a new sweetner for one of the cola’s at MSU for 5 years, I was telling him that my doctor told me to stop drinking soda’s cuz it was causing my migraines, and did and I haven’t had a migrain since, but I have to read the labels all the time now cuz its in so many of our foods) is another one that the FDA has been allowed to put into 5,000 food products in our food chain…….
        causing massive rise in migraines,TIA’s, seizures and strokes, and I believe weight gain…….
        Aspartame Warning
        Dr. Bill Douglass Reveals The Ugly
        Truth About the Poisonous Sweetner
        http://www.douglassreport.com/

        Dangers of Aspartame Poisoning!
        The dangers of aspartame poisoning have been a well guarded secret since the 1980s. The research and history of aspartame is conclusive as a cause of …
        http://www.sweetpoison.com/aspartame-information.html

        As far as the toxicity of all Pharmaceuticals that is correct. They are toxic and FDA knows they are, as doctors know they are, but they “Practice Medicine” don’t they????? What do you expect then……?
        In order to be FDA approved,all drugs are issued a LD-50 or LD-100. Each drug is monitored after giving it to the “rat”, and watched as doseage’s increase to first the side effects, then the adverse reactions and then death and maybe a antidote, if they can find one.
        LD means, Level given causing Death.
        Any drug must go through the above criteria…or have a LD rating before being approved. Now to me that means it’s toxic to my body…..from the get go!
        Why do you think they have to issue the drug insert or when drug companies advertise they have to tell you all the side effects……
        Why do nurses have to know what to watch for and report the side effects to the doctors…..( We/Nurses, had to know them I should say,but its been my experience with the “microwave” nurses they are putting through these community college programs that they don’t know, but half of what we had to know. You ask them what the drug is for or what it does and they can’t tell you …..they answer…”(oh I would have to look it up cuz there are so many drugs out there now that I give that I don’t know what they do!) Therefore, if she doesn’t know what they do, then she probably doesn’t know, what to look for if the patient is having an adverse reaction!
        So, yes all medications have side effects. Even Chemo therapy does….it kills not just the cancerous cells but ALL the cells….my instructor in BioChem told us never to take Chemo….unless you want to be a living dead person.
        And get sicker than a dog as it’s killing everyone of your cells and all the dead cells cause you to throw up. They give you nothing to help your immune system sweep up the debride being thrown into your blood stream and kidneys and lymph system….Our Macrophages are wonderful little sweepers of the bad stuff but they kill them off with the Chemo, its a pretty tough road to hoe. NOt that I don’t get their logic behind it…..but why not after 50 years haven’t they tried to come up with something better? Also, one of those side effects of that toxic Chemo Therapy is and they know it….that it may kill the cancer cells, but in 5 to 10 years after having a that toxin injected in yah you will die from cancer because it causes cancer! That to me is false hope if I ever heard of one.
        Dr. Geyser has a another plan that works, check out his clinic someday……and the Amercian Cancer Clinics subscribes to his ways of treating cancers too.
        Study supplements and immune enhancers and find those who know about them and take them to at least try to prevent disease by maintaining your bodies normal functioning chemically with them……..your body with a healthy lifestyle and nutrition and a healthy immune system can pretty much take care of its own healing…….There are many many doctors who love the study of the normal body chemistry and help you maintain it or correct it with nutritional supplementation.
        That is how a veterinarian has keep animals free of diseases, just ask a vet professor in our universities…I’ve always picked peoples brains…and gain a ton of knowledge that way. One day I was talking with a vet professor about this subject, and I wondered why if knew what supplements prevent certain diseases in animals, why the doctors don’t know this, he said, because, “a sick animal does not bring profit, where a sick human does” And then he said we have always supplemented animals feed if we don’t they too would get sick because there are no longer any real nutrients in our soil and therefore even in our foods. There is a ton of info on that subject also, which I do not want to expound on……
        As far as meds go no one knows more than a really good Pharmacists…I think they should be the profession that does the prescibing not a doctor. Maybe then there would be less practicing of meds going on ……….in us!

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    3. EllsworthT

      “American healthcare is killing 300,000 Americans per year.” Survivor, I’m not sure what this statement means.

      300,000 is almost 1/10th percent of the current population. Is this 300,000 an average over several years? Which years?

      In 2008, 2.5 million people died. Are you suggesting that 12% of those deaths were the result of “American healthcare”? How did healthcare kill exactly–was it negligence, lack of access, both, or what?

      What was the average age of the persons killed by American healthcare? Was each death preventable, how do you know? Do you include people who refused or did not seek care?

      Please explain and cite your source.

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    4. Lou

      Extremely poignant and well stated.

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  14. Clint

    Why does there need to be a “solution” to healthcare? People state that there is nothing stopping drug companies from charging whatever they want for drugs. That is true, the people who pay to develop these miracle drugs foot the bills and the risk in developing them. All the years of FDA trials cost alot. I applaud the companies and risk takers for their dedication to making new drugs. If a person makes a cure for cancer, do you not think they should be compensated for their work just like a baseball player or actor? It costs alot to go to the doctor for various reasons. The idiots who sue a doctor, because grandpa died smoking 3 packs a day and drank a gallon of beer drives up healthcare costs. Why is it ok for a welfare momma to win a $50,000,000 goverment backed lottery ticket, but not ok for an oil executive in charge of a 3 billion dollar company to get paid $2,000,000?

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    1. Sergio

      So, you think curing cancer is like hitting a home run? simply awesome.

      Do you even know what you’re saying? perhaps had some of grandpa’s gallon o’ beer?

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    2. EllsworthT

      You are correct, Clint.

      First, what *exactly* is the problem with healthcare? Is it that 15% are uninsured? (That’s probably not true. See http://www.adamsmith.org/blog/health/the-46-million-myth-200908224005/) Or is that prices are rising? (Again, not the whole picture. http://money.cnn.com/2009/08/11/news/health_care_reform_myths.fortune/index.htm?postversion=2009081209)

      Second, the Law of Supply & Demands prohibits any company from setting arbitrary prices for its goods and services, even pharmaceutical companies. However, government regulations drive up costs and make new competition cost-prohibitive. The historical effect of government meddling is an increase in prices and a decrease in availability. (Oh, but the evil drug companies would kill us if the government were not regulating them! No, government is killing us by limiting new drugs.)

      Third, in a free market, the company executive earns a large salary because he provides a product or service people want and voluntarily choose to pay him for. Each dollar he earns is a “yes” vote from a consumer–it is a truer democracy than any other form.

      Healthcare is an industry because it involves people making a living. It is not unlike any other industry, but it is wrought with problems (some actual, some perceived) unlike most others. There is no single healthcare issue, there are thousands. Probe each healthcare issue: Follow the trail until you find government involved. This will almost always be the source of the problem.

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  15. Evan

    What is Ron Paul’s stance on abortion and stem cell research? I feel stupid asking this because I’m sure it has been made very clear in the past. I have just started looking into Ron Paul so I’m trying to obtain as much information as possible.

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  16. Survivor

    Ron Paul is correct. The problem isn’t access to insurance or care. The problem is that the health care system is a total fraud and it’s broken. The AMA is participating in this fraud to mislead the American people with it’s flagrant lies on television ads. The AMA TV ad stated: “It is a tragedy that 1 in 7 Americans cannot afford health care.”

    Someone needs to ask them the question: “If that’s what you call a tragedy, then what do you call it when 1 out of 5 hospitalizations are the result of a previous medical error? And what do you call it when doctors are killing 300,000 Americans per year? (based on data previously reported by the AMA) Aren’t these tragedy’s? And what is more important to Americans? Getting big government involved to provide the so-called “universal health care” so doctors will make a few extra dollars killing more Americans? Or holding these crooks accountable for what they do and stopping killing by this broken system?”

    The AMA has a well documented history of acting in their own interest. That explains the obvious flip flopping that we’ve sen over the past few decades.

    Psychiatry charges health insurance companies $69 billion a year, doubling the cost of health care. And they have 0 cures.
    Just in the last four decades, nearly twice as many Americans have been killed in psychiatric hospitals alone, than every soldier killed in every war since the year 1776. And that isn’t even counting the many more private hospitals doing the same thing.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPUHUpfDVgY

    Ban Psychiatry!

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  17. Veronica

    I have recently received info, concerning my Insurrance. They have told me that they cannot give me a certain medicine because if I take it it will destroy the ozone layer. The Insurrance stated that FDA told them to tell people about this situation…If I don’t take the medicine my doctor told to take I could become very ill!!! RON PAUL–YOU MAYBE ONTO SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT!!!

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  18. Therese

    Free healthcare in Europe does NOT work. I know, I used to live there. I regularly waited 1-1.5 hrs. for any appointment and was given drugs being tested on the market, told I had kidney stones I didn’t have and went through a battery of doctors and tests to be told I was just nervous. This was in3 different cities, many different doctors over an 8 year period. I am so thankful for the ability to still choose alternative health care in this country as opposed to the “semi-care” I received there. No Thank You universal health care! People here don’t know what they’re asking for!

    I am very sad that Ron Paul has decided not to run. He has been my only choice – don’t know what to do now…

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    1. Christine

      There seems to be a problem with becoming president. Once they are in, their messages and beliefs change. The American people have been fooled many, many times.

      Perhaps he can be more effective in causing change as a Senator and influencing people at the grassroots level.

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  19. Jade

    Im not against what you are saying, dont get me wrong. But how dare any person look down upon what another candidate would “or would not” do, if they themselves do not have a plan to change…

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  20. Manuel Lopez

    With all due respect, I like Ron Paul and agree with most of his ideas on most issues. But if nationalized health care is so bad, why does it work so well in Europe and Canada. That the medical services in Europe and Canada are so bad is a myth. I have family in Canada and hear nothing but good things. I also don’t hear an alternative. I’m all for a free market but we’re not talking about buying cars here this is about medical treatment, and everyone should be entitled to free medical treatment. The fact that a rich person gets better treatment than a poor person is ludicrous. I’m not saying he is wrong on the subject, I would just like to hear how he would fix it if not by nationalized medicine.

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  21. Ellsworth Toohey

    First, no one has a “right” to healthcare. In fact, no one has a right to anything that someone else must provide. I have a right to complain about the government, but I have no right to a printing press or a copier or a computer. I have a right to worship, to defend myself, to own property, but no one is obligated to give me a church, a gun, or a piece of land. In the same way, a person who believes he has a “right” to healthcare necessarily believes that a doctor has no right to choose his patients, or set his rates, or decide how he will run his practice. In addition, he believes that the owner of an insurance company has no right to decide to whom he will sell policies and how much he will charge. The person who believes he has a right to healthcare differs only in degrees but not fundamentally from the slave-owner. So why does freedom work so well in markets, yet seem to fail for healthcare? Answer: Government involvement: expensive mandates and regulations. How does the healthcare industry circumvent the Law of Supply and Demand? Answer: Government sanctioned monopolies and the controlled practice of medicine.

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    1. Sergio

      All very glossed over analysis…but delve into specifics and it gets too messy to discuss:

      setting prices and policies is one thing, but gouging and taking advantage of a system run on greed is another. Walk into a store that sells bananas for $40 each, and you’ll walk to another store. But if ALL the stores sell bananas for $40 or more, what do you do? to whom do you complain? And what if you don’t have a car to get to the store that sells them for $30 each? Do you just accept it, and expect these readers to believe you accept the rules of the health care game?

      Guess what? Freedom doesn’t always work well in markets. good quality is given to those who can afford it. Crap is given to the rest. I know this isn’t about being fair, but shouldn’t it be about treating all people equally? at least a little bit?

      We’re all so wrapped up in arguing over rights being taken away, destroyed and changed, that we are overlooking the fact that these rights don’t apply to all and that we are FORTUNATE to have the luxury of complaining and writing on blogs about how righteous this one is or evil that one is…while there are people lying outside of grocery stores, and hospitals, and our homes…dying.

      Let’s wake up and admit that the problem with the health care system (and a lot of other problems) isn’t that the government is involved, it’s human nature, greed. We are the problem.

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      1. EllsworthT

        Sergio, see my argument about your expensive bananas below.

        I think you’re a decent person. I believe you genuinely care about the human condition.

        A husband with three children has an honest, hard job. He works to support his family and to give his children things he never had, like new clothes and a first-rate education. He resents having 25% of his paycheck being taken at gunpoint (i.e., taxed) to support faceless strangers whose stories he will never know and bureaucrats, who are required to collect and distribute his money, ensuring it’s spent “properly” (by what definition he has no say). Is the husband greedy? Do the faceless strangers, whether they be hapless victims or persons who made deliberate decisions, have a mortgage on the husband’s life?

        I agree that there are mean, heartless bastards in the world. Fortunately, there aren’t many of them. The rest of us nice people who respectfully disagree with you think your solution to these economic problems (including healthcare) is flawed. The distribution of wealth doesn’t work. If the wealth of the world was suddenly divided equally among everyone, would we never again have rich and poor? For how long? When government protects people’s liberty, freedom works and always has.

        Would you want to be a rich person in any part of the world in 1066? How about 1492? How about 1865? 1929? How far would you be willing to go back? In high school I was surprised to learn a new friend lived in one of the city’s worst housing projects. I had never been inside one and half-expected it too resemble a Russian prison. Surprise! There were working lights and running water, the rooms were air-conditioned by window units, there was a refrigerator and a microwave in the kitchen, there was a big-screen television in the living room (big for the time anyway) and a small one in one of the three bedrooms. The place was messy but certainly livable. Mom (single) even owned a car, an old one, but not a bad clunker. I did not think it was possible to have these things and be considered poor, but my friend’s family was. Later in life I realized that in all likelihood none of those things–the car, the televisions, the refrigerator, the air-conditioners–were created by persons who wished for anything more than to enrich their own lives, certainly not my poor friend’s family, and, yet, they had them. My friend was directly benefiting from the greed and selfishness of the people who brought these things into existence.

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  22. laura from oregon

    but what is his solution to healthcare? even with lots more money from reduced taxes, the cost of medical care is over the top. since he believes that the market will take care of itself, what is going to stop the increasing cost of medical, pharmacological, technological costs? in the case of health care, it’s definitely profits before people. people’s lives will be devastated without assistance with healthcare, especially for surgery and hospital stays, not to mention complete diagnoses. this is perhaps the weakest point of ron paul’s platform. there are no solutions here from him. the above is nothing but superficial talk. there must be a definitive solution to this problem. lives are being destroyed.

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    1. EllsworthT

      Laura, when your parents were young, the medicines and treatments available to them resembled what we might think of today as belonging to a third-world country. If that’s a stretch, then certainly *their* parents, your grandparents, were no better off.

      If someone invented a device that could obliterate brain tumors, leaving the brain intact, how much would you expect it to cost? Would you expect over time the price (adjusting for government-induced inflation) to go up, down, or remain the same? Now I ask you, before the creation of this device, what happened to persons with brain tumors? Today, there’s a siginificantly better chance of survival than there was even 10 years ago; if caught early enough, brain damage can sometimes be negated! And complications and damage from surgery has been declining rapidly.

      If a person died of a brain tumor in 1950, we’d have shrugged our shoulders and said, “That’s too bad, but there was nothing we could do.” Suppose the brain-saving device came into existence a month before, how would this have changed our response? Suppose the device and the procedure were expensive (damn greedy inventor, damn greedy doctors!). Would it have been a greater travesty if some people had not been able to afford treatment (and died) or if the device had not been invented at all?

      Please try to keep all questions in mind while considering this last one.

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  23. Cassandra Bachrach

    WRITE IN Ron Paul ’08.

    Cassandra Bachrach
    bk2nchr@hotmail.com

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  24. Bruce Smith

    The only way we will get back to a Government for the people, is by having a president picked by the people. No other canidate comes close to this very, universally agreed, idea. A vote for a canidate other then Dr. Paul is a vote for the repetition of past governments indescresions and (in my eyes) a true anti-american vote. Others should be ashamed and embarased that they have allowed party affiliations and media ignorance effect their potential votes. I emplore any upstanding citizen to educate themselves on the current and past policies and voting records of each canidate before jumping on any bandwagon. Upon learning this new information think of everything you hold dear; your family, your friends, your liberties and freedoms, and then and only then make ‘your choice’. Don’t allow the media make your choice!! We are blessed with an information system (the internet) that allows us to research and sort through the ‘bullsh*t’, and find real, tangible information that will ultimately lead to an informed decision which we can be proud to tell future generations about. NOTE: I am a RON PAUL supporter because of his his undying support and care for us, the AMERICAN PEOPLE.

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  25. Jennie Dobson

    I find it interesting to see that there are so many people willing to give up on what is quite honestly the best thing to happen to this country, simply because of one or two issues. Have we sunk that low, that we would condemn a candidate based on one or two issues, when the candidate has amazing stances on all the other views? NO candidate will ever be 100% exactly what every single American is looking for. It is up to us to find the one with the best overall outlook, and the highest regard for America, *true* patriotism, and the beliefs this country was founded upon. Ron Paul has my full support! As for the person that posted they would only support him if he bans gay marriage… 1.) Are you really going to care who marries who when this country is driven so far into the ground that our children have to scramble for food, our elderly are discarded into the streets, and our men have to work in foreign countries just to send money home to support the family? While I can understand that gay marriage is a hot issue to many folks… it all comes down to picking your poison. Every candidate will have some views that people must take ‘with a grain of salt’. Ron Paul is the best choice, and only hope, for the American people. Don’t deny him your support over allowing a piece of paper to state that gays are married. Additionally, just because he doesn’t want to ban gay marriage does not mean he will actively advocate for it. Ron Paul is, and always has been, for the Constitution. The Constitution does not state that the government has a right to decide sexual preference.That is a right of the American people, and local government. Just as Americans are constantly telling immigrants to go back to their own country if they don’t like our laws, people need to understand that if they don’t like the laws of their local government, they are welcome to choose an area of America that more closely fits with their beliefs and opinions. America, as huge as it is, can not survive total unity; there will always be a need for smaller, local government to represent the people in their area. If there is a community prevalent in homosexuals, their local government has a right to allow them marriage. Likewise, a community will little to no population of homosexuals has the right to ban gay marriage within their area. Local government is a way of organizing the American people into groups that can not only get along, but compliment each other in many ways. If left up to the local governments (as it should be), more homosexuals will likely flock to one area, while anti-homosexuals will likely flock to a different. This is the founding fathers’ vision on how to “separate the children”, so to speak, into groups than can get along together. Ron Paul is all for America, and does what he feels is best for the people. This includes letting go of federal power over several things, and giving that power to the local governments. He is the only candidate we have that disregards personal power trips in the interest of a successful nation.

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  26. john r

    alot of us don’t have quality health care now, even though we have a choice. unless you have money, or connections, good doctors won’t see us anyway. we get the doctors just starting out, and i have health care. you doctors choose.

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    1. Sergio

      amen to that!

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  27. Clayton

    Ron Paul is an advocate of personal responsibility by citizens across the board and limiting government regulation. He is also an advocate of eliminating the IRS and federal income tax.

    His intention is to make your medical expenses your liability, but also give you the means to shoulder it (directly, but also indirectly by breaking up the stranglehold that insurance, pharmaceutical, and large medical companies have been given by the FDA on the care available.)How much trouble would you have paying (and saving for) medical expenses if the 20-50% you currently pay in federal taxes were in your pocket?

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  28. S. Mazur

    Ron Paul is 80% on the level with my political and philosophical beliefs. The other 20%? I believe abortion is a medical issue and should be treated as such (freedom of religion is one of our countries most important rights, but doesn’t a mother have the right to live too?). Withdrawl from NATO and the United Nations will not help matters either. But what *is* his solution to health care? He is incorrect that free health care is worse health care – France, Canada and many Scandinavian countries have awesome health care – sure you wait for an hour if you have a cold, but that’s because they take the serious cases first!!

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    1. Dana

      I have a Canadian friend with a rare disease, confirmed by US doctors, but dismissed by Canadian quacks as “psychosomatic.” “Free” health care, when presented with a rare and difficult case, becomes non-health care. “Free” health care is a great deal like going to Big “O” Tires. If you have something easy to fix they’ll be happy to get you in and out as quickly as possible. If you threw a rod you need to go buy another vehicle. Oh wait, we haven’t invented whole body transplants yet…

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      1. victor

        My step father is from south america they have public heath system, he got orthopedic implants in both hips (femur heads)and he didn’t spend a single coin, when you need to go to a consult you have to wait or make an appointment in advance, but nothing far from what i have seen here in USA with astronomic bills, do you really think that $10000 is fair for 1 day of hospitalization and 1 x-ray?

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  29. mother of USAF son

    It is odd to know that there are otherwise intelligent persons who would not have the courage to vote for Ron Paul.

    I am thankful there is a space to share our views. However, I am disappointed that some would use this response forum to vent masoginistic views (i.e. someone’s implication that the only good thing about Hillary is that she has breasts, etc. etc.). A word to the wise: That did nothing to help this campaign and could very much have been “said better” by focusing on more important issues.

    And by the way, freedom of speech allows us to also choose decent words when publicly venting — rather than cheapening one’s stance and losing credibility. When expressing one’s conscientious view to inspire others, there is merit in casual personalizing and not being phony, but let’s do so with our best, shall we? It’s something I also must keep in mind. (We might think of Ron Paul as a positive example.)

    That being said, I would like to congratulate Mr. Paul and thank him from the deepest realms of a mother/citizen/midwife’s heart.

    Ron Paul, you are indeed my family’s hero and for all families and individuals in the USA!

    My children and I keep you in our prayers as well as your campaign — which is OUR campaign! We will not give up on what you helped us to start taking back for all the people of the USA. Thank you, sir, and may such rare goodness and honesty be this country’s guiding beacon in the elections and always!

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  30. brian butler

    Ummm..dont boycott fox you idiot dope..its the only honest news station in the country..i like ron paul alot..but i truly believe a nuclear attack will 100% hit the US in the next 7 years if we let our guard down,also i am against gay marriages..so..if he changes on those 2 issues.he has my vote..If there’s no people left on the eastern seaboard,then the debt,healthcare,taxes,etc.,really dont matter,lol..
    brian

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    1. Ashley

      I couldn’t agree more. Fox News Channel is the ONLY source of honest media in our present system (sad as it is). Consider how the other media sources promote ONLY positive attributes of the Obama administration. You wouldn’t consider anything amiss unless you’re wise enough to question everything concerning politics and government. Obama has failed to provide a LEGALLY SOUND U.S. birth certificate.. along with this, his grandmother is on record stating Obama’s birth in Kenya. How could this constitutional requirement for U.S. presidency just suddenly become such an insignificant qualification? I am not even going into foreign policy and homeland security, which he apparently doesnt feel is a priority for funding. I do believe our safety, security, and peace of mind should be a very top priority. He is proving his lack of experience and success at running our country… @ a time when efficient leadership is most needed. Our enemies are smarter and better equipped, we are weaker, and our economy is crashing. It’s scary. I think everyone has forgotten about 911.

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      1. Fox News

        Fox News is the only media that reinforces your crazy, afraid of everything predisposition. Fox news constantly bombards people this crap like Obama isnt a citizen and Ron Paul is some lunatic.

        Please use multiple sources for your news, then slowly form your opinion.

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      2. JRN

        Fox News is nothing but bad. For a company that has other good shows on it’s sister stations Fox News is crap. Most of Fox News reporters are clown’s and idiots. I’m sorry to see that channel go down the toilet. And sad to see its good journalist get dragged down with the bad.

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        1. Dolores Yablinsky

          I disagree that Fox is nothing but bad. There is alot of good, truth coming from them when no one else has the courage or balls to expose what is happening. They still fall short of telling it like it really is on some things. I think they are afraid they will be labeled as crazy’s just as some here are saying.

          I personally watch Glenn Beck daily. I have been all over the internet trying to find out what is really happening in our world. Some seems far fetched but then alot of things I used to think was crazy is actually happening.

          I have to say that Glenn is courageous for exposing what he is finding out himself.

          And most of what he is exposing, I have felt and researched out myself before I started paying attention to him.

          He is on target.

          I am doing my due diligence. If I make mistakes along the way, I will find out.

          But you can bet you won’t find NBC, CBS, MSNBC or any other media, telling us the truth. They are corrupt and part of the deception.

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          1. Child Hacker

            Fox is a part of the puppet game. They want to spread fear and hate. They did it while bush was in office and they will do it when obama is in office. They want you to fear the government and put us in our place. They also want you to build up rage and hatred. It is all BS propaganda.

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        2. Child Hacker

          Fox is owned by NWO’s elitist Rupert Murdoch.

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          1. Dolores Yablinsky

            Child Hacker: “Fox is owned by NWO’s elitist Rupert Murdoch”

            Well that makes sense as to why on one is really bringing it up… but then again, quite a few of our presidents have been calling for NWO and I am ashamed to say that I was not paying attention so now I am paying the price like everyone else.

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          3. Child Hacker

            Ya, no major tv networks talk about the bilderburg group or the council on foreign relations. Here is a video explaining media takeover. (obama is openly a part of CFR but has denied it)

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aO8OnxEld3M

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    2. peter okeefe

      brian
      the chance of the states being hit by a grounburst nuke are nil.

      a simple airburst from a container ship in the gulf a few thousand feet up will destroy the entire US within a year.EMP..much simpler and easier for the bad guys…better stock up

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    3. Alt+KeyCodes♫☼‼↕◄

      You are being lied to, straight to your face.
      “Fox” news is “FAUX” news. period.

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  31. Doug Hall

    I’m not sure what Ron Paul’s solution is, but I’ve got one idea that may be worth mentioning, and that has to do with the pricing of health care (post them to the consumer in advance). Why are medical visits the only thing we “buy” and then learn the cost of afterward? Ever walk into a doctor’s office and see a sign up stateing what you are about to be held accountable for? Here’s a tough truth comparison about our medical spending habits; I can walk into my neighborhood Jiffy Lube, and instantly know what an oil change will cost me, but I can’t walk into a doctor’s office and know what that is costing. Hope Mr. Paul reads this.

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    1. Christine

      That’s a very good point. When something gets complicated and confusing, we know most lawyers have been working on it. It’s a tactic. Americans want simple, easy to understand, uncomplicated, and affordable health care options.

      I suggest that health care not be attached to your job (since most of us change or lose jobs more frequently that in generations past). We could purchase health insurance just like we do our life and car insurance. Maybe need regulations to keep things reasonable and affordable, or just let the competitive market work it out until it is affordable. This way, individual plans, the quality of the customer service and care would be the difference! Don’t customers and patients need that!

      Insurance should also include alternative health care, methods such as massage, chiropractic, nutritionists, acupuncture, non-invasive techniques to help the body heal itself, like it was designed to do. (not be zoned out on massive doses of drugs so your mind doesn’t know your body is in trouble)

      Why is it that people who are inclined to do the right thing are intimidated by those who do the wrong thing? We need people in this country who have backbones! We need to follow
      Ron Paul’s way and be the lone voice for what is right if need be, be brave, courageous and always speak the rational truth.

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  32. Dorothy Stutzenberger

    What IS Ron Paul’s solution to the health care crisis in this nation?

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  33. John Ashman

    That’s great and all, but it doesn’t actually fix anything. Medical/Retirement Savings Accounts do –

    http://www.americansolutions.com/SolutionsLab/Solution.aspx?GUID=2d50363e-00be-44e8-9251-9a6589ba820d

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  34. Jack

    I couldn’t have said it better, Ditto, and Amen! I am floored that someone as good as Ron Paul has come along and hasn’t been snapped up as the overwhelming leader in the race for the WH. But, even I must admit I hadn’t taken time to visit this website to find out more about him and his politics until I noticed his peculiar and inexorable rising in the AOL polls. Amazing.

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  35. randy longtine

    We the people need R.P. You are the man this country needs in the White house. We have seen the worst in the White house, now lets see the best. Clean up our government, get rid of the Bush shit self serving $@#%$# in Washington that have made millions of dollars pulling the wool over the American people’s eyes. I can’t see how this country ever sank so low as to follow this bunch of fools. But the best thing that ever happened in this country is to for some in power to go so far that the people revolt against their govt. So for that we thank you. If we didn’t have a Ron Paul for a choice for Presidency, I think there would be no reason to go to the polls. There is no difference between turds & shit. WOW a man for the people,if there was ever a man with a dream this is the one. Dreams do come true. Ron do not drop out, the race is on. Thank you (you tube) for being a vain for the blood of truth to flow. I prayed for a black president but now I can’t vote for him. I was blind but now i see. “Ron i joined the revolution.” There is a God and he has sent us the best, now it’s up to us to do the rest.We want a great country once again. I will carry Ron Paul to Washington on my back if that is what it takes to get this man in the W.H. And I will carry the rest of them out the same way and take them to the same dumpster in Volusia county Florida were our votes went. If any American votes for anyone other then Ron they are not seeing the real picture that they paint for their children. How can we vote for a Mcsame and the best thing I’ve seen from Hillary was her in a push up bra. The greatest thing about U.S.A. is the American people. We will not be fooled by any of the other boobs in the W.H no matter how big they are or how they are packaged . So boycott Fox, CNN and the rest of the media that are hiding the truth and hiding the real agenda the pack in power have at this time. If you don’t get it yet read this. Vote Ron Paul .Vote Ron Paul.Vote Paul or pay later and your children and your children’s children can also pay for our ignorance, if this country last that long. As Thomas Jefferson said there should be a revolution in this country every 20 years. He must have foreseen the bush administration, thanks bush for running usa debt to 60-trillion dollars and ending up borrowing 3 billion dollars every day from other nations to support our free country that we the people are afraid to voice our opinions for fear of govt reprisal against its own people. Sounds like a story from a different country. politicians on the take, media suppressing the truth , continuing war for profit for the elite few war mongers to sell their guns and ammo and pilfer other countries. Stop the madness. Vote Ron Paul , cant be bought , wont be sold , might have gray hair but he don’t think old. We Love this Country and we the people want it back.Vote Ron Paul don’t turn your back…,GOD BLESS, WE HAVE A CHOICE. RML

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    1. cliffaxtell

      I am a Respirotoy Theriopist, neonatial/ pediatric specialist I am worried about my job and the care of my patients. If we go national.

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      1. Jan

        Well, your hourly payrate may be going down…, as I am sure doctors and for profit hospitals will be also…..
        Doctors may not take anyone on the Public option, unless they make it mandatory…..just like they do for those of us on Medicare and Medicaid….right now they can refuse to take patients who are on government “what is acceptable and reasonable” payment for services.

        As the bill stands right now …people will get their “bus ticket”, the Public option card, but there may be no bus that will let you on……..!!!!! Unless they make it mandatory!

        Not many doctors voicing their opinions …except for Ron Paul and Howard Dean……both M.D.s!

        For profit …..should never be part of the healthcare of a person anyways…the stock market and its investors need to get out of the healthcare and treat people for their medical problems without creating a medical record.

        The ICD-9 needs to be revamped too…..doctors code according to what they will be paid by an insurance company.
        Then paint a false picture of the patient, just for the money…not for the real truth..causing then the premiums to go up…..which is not fair…

        The FDA keeps lowering the Cholesterol levels every year, in order to sell more Lipitor………
        that kind of working together for profit needs to stop.
        A cholesterol level lower than 200 is dangerous to the patient. Most people are not aware what the funtion is of cholesterol in the body…..but too low of a level causes depression, Alzheimer, and a low sex drive….
        created by a drug…..they are ruining peoples bodies and causing more diseae……..
        They never study the cause and get to the root of it…they just practice medicine which causes more diseases.

        Healthcare should be healthcare……and they need to expose all the cures that have been discovered..instead the scientists mysteriously come up missing!

        Chronology of Dead Scientists
        http://www.stevequayle.com/dead_scientists/dead.scientists.chron.html

        Dead Scientists And Microbiologists – Master List
        December 21, 2004:
        http://www.rense.com/general62/list.htm

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    2. Jan

      Unfortunately, Ted Kennedy sure didn’t get one in time did he…….if anyone would have paid them a million out of his own pocket he could have and would have…..

      But, you miss the point all together however……it’s not how many devices they invent….they will never be able to give the tin a man a real heart ………

      True science in my mind is being able to understand the biochemistry of the body and their functions….and how the body maintains health…….what went wrong…….to cause the disease? Then get it back to normal as quickly as possible…..
      This treating disease process with toxic drugs is not what the body lacks or needs to function normally….drugs just destroys more systems..
      And we were not meant to live in this body forever.
      It wears out and ages…..so that is just the way it is……

      Our Spirit will live forever but not this earthly body….
      The pull of gravity and the rotation of the earth out here in outer space is enough to make us all of us dizzy…….
      P.S. if you want to live forever with no tears and no disease then “put on immortality”…..and get a new body…..like Jesus did.and will give to us in eternity…..but it may be a long time waiting before that happens….so in the meantime we are all going to die of something……
      but lets stop pushing it to the brink with all these expensive drugs and devices….and pollution.

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