Health Care

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In these United States of America, many people cannot afford even basic health insurance. They suffer severely under the present system and have to live under the constant fear of not knowing what they will do if they or their loved ones ever fall seriously ill.

But in many cases, insured individuals aren’t much better off either. In comparison to the exorbitant insurance premiums they pay, the medical care they receive is often very poor.

Additionally, due to the government-enforced monopolies of HMOs (Health Maintenance Organizations) and pharmaceutical companies, many patients will never even hear about some of the most effective and non-invasive treatment methods. These natural and inexpensive ways of regaining one’s health are being suppressed by the FDA and the medical establishment not because of safety concerns (they’ve been around for hundreds of years), but because they cannot be patented and would therefore cut into the pharmaceutical industry’s profits.

The current system is most definitely broken, and it must eventually be abolished if we want to regain both our health and our freedom.

But Obamacare is the worst possible answer. All it does is perpetuate a flawed system by forcing everyone to become a client of insurance companies, even those who don’t want to or need to participate.

Why should anyone be forced to subsidize the medical care of others? Very few individuals would personally assault their neighbors at gunpoint and steal thousands of dollars to pay for their own medical needs. How could any freedom loving person agree to delegate such criminal acts to the government by supporting a compulsory health insurance system?

There is only one solution that will lead to true health and true freedom: making health care more affordable. Ron Paul believes that only true free market competition will put pressure on the providers and force them to lower their costs to remain in business. Additionally, Ron Paul wants to change the tax code to allow individual Americans to fully deduct all health care costs from their taxes.

Through these measures and the elimination of government-sponsored health care monopolies a much larger number of people will be able to finally access affordable health care, either by paying for medical insurance or by covering their medical expenses, which are now much lower, out of their own pocket.

As for the poor and the severely ill who can neither obtain insurance nor pay for the medical care they need, Ron Paul offers the following solution in his bookThe Revolution: A Manifesto“:

In the days before Medicare and Medicaid, the poor and elderly were admitted to hospitals at the same rate they are now, and received good care. Before those programs came into existence, every physician understood that he or she had a responsibility towards the less fortunate and free medical care was the norm. Hardly anyone is aware of this today, since it doesn’t fit into the typical, by the script story of government rescuing us from a predatory private sector.

Illegal aliens already receive de-facto free health care. Why can’t poor Americans have the same… not as a right, but as a charitable benefit provided by doctors who feel a personal responsibility for their fellow citizens?

Unfortunately, the current medical monopoly corrupts many doctors by rewarding practices that are not in the patients’ best interest. Pharmaceutical companies have a vested interest in not curing people, but getting them permanently addicted to expensive drugs that have many side effects, thereby requiring additional drugs to suppress those side effects. Many doctors are afraid to speak up and question the system for fear of being ostracized by their peers or even losing their license.

Under a liberated health care system prices would come down and additional options would become available, thereby making health care much more affordable. Moral corruption would give way to true compassion, and many doctors would remember their implicit obligation to provide free medical care to those in need, just like they did in the past.

As a medical doctor, Ron Paul swore the Hippocratic Oath many decades ago. His entire person and career is a monument to the beauty and sanctity of human life. Ron Paul knows that life without health can be very difficult and is not what it was meant to be. He has personally cared for the poor for many years, without asking anything in return.

The government’s original role is to protect our freedoms and restrain itself from causing too much harm. Ron Paul is working to prevent greedy bureaucrats, opportunist politicians and corrupt pharmaceutical companies from having any sort of unhealthy influence over our bodies and minds.

Join the Ron Paul Revolution and help us put the federal government back where it belongs: to Washington DC and out of our daily lives.

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Government has been mismanaging medical care for more than 45 years; for every problem it has created it has responded by exponentially expanding the role of government.

Points to consider:

  1. No one has a right to medical care. If one assumes such a right, it endorses the notion that some individuals have a right to someone else’s life and property. This totally contradicts the principles of liberty.
  2. If medical care is provided by government, this can only be achieved by an authoritarian government unconcerned about the rights of the individual.
  3. Economic fallacies accepted for more than 100 years in the United States has deceived policy makers into believing that quality medical care can only be achieved by government force, taxation, regulations, and bowing to a system of special interests that creates a system of corporatism.
  4. More dollars into any monopoly run by government never increases quality but it always results in higher costs and prices.
  5. Government does have an important role to play in facilitating the delivery of all goods and services in an ethical and efficient manner.
  6. First, government should do no harm. It should get out of the way and repeal all the laws that have contributed to the mess we have.
  7. The costs are obviously too high but in solving this problem one cannot ignore the debasement of the currency as a major factor.
  8. Bureaucrats and other third parties must never be allowed to interfere in the doctor/patient relationship.
  9. The tax code, including the ERISA laws, must be changed to give everyone equal treatment by allowing a 100% tax credit for all medical expenses.
    Laws dealing with bad outcomes and prohibiting doctors from entering into voluntary agreements with their patients must be repealed. Tort laws play a significant role in pushing costs higher, prompting unnecessary treatment and excessive testing. Patients deserve the compensation; the attorneys do not.
  10. Insurance sales should be legalized nationally across state lines to increase competition among the insurance companies.
  11. Long-term insurance policies should be available to young people similar to term-life insurances that offer fixed prices for long periods of time.
  12. The principle of insurance should be remembered. Its purpose in a free market is to measure risk, not to be used synonymously with social welfare programs. Any program that provides for first-dollar payment is no longer insurance. This would be similar to giving coverage for gasoline and repair bills to those who buy car insurance or providing food insurance for people to go to the grocery store. Obviously, that could not work.
  13. The cozy relationship between organized medicine and government must be reversed.
    Early on medical insurance was promoted by the medical community in order to boost re-imbursements to doctors and hospitals. That partnership has morphed into the government/insurance industry still being promoted by the current administration.
  14. Threatening individuals with huge fines by forcing them to buy insurance is a boon to the insurance companies.
  15. There must be more competition for individuals entering into the medical field. Licensing strictly limits the number of individuals who can provide patient care. A lot of problems were created in 20th century as a consequence the Flexner Report (1910), which was financed by the Carnegie Foundation and strongly supported by the AMA. Many medical schools were closed and the number of doctors was drastically reduced. The motivation was to close down medical schools that catered to women, minorities and especially homeopathy. We continue to suffer from these changes which were designed to protect physician’s income and promote allopathic medicine over the more natural cures and prevention of homeopathic medicine.
  16. We must remove any obstacles for people seeking holistic and nutritional alternatives to current medical care. We must remove the threat of further regulations pushed by the drug companies now working worldwide to limit these alternatives.

True competition in the delivery of medical care is what is needed, not more government meddling.

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  1. Janice

    "SAY NO TO THE VACCINE"

    ***Check out Dr. Carley's
    http://www.drcarley.com/Horrors_of_Vaccination_Exposed.pdf

    HORRORS OF VACCINATION EXPOSED AND ILLUSTRATED:

    PETITION TO THE PRESIDENT
    TO ABOLISH COMPULSORY VACCINATION (pdf) 1920 by Charles M. Higgins

    page 8 Wisdom and Law
    Every Law not based on Wisdom is a Menace to the State!
    A Sculptured Rebuke to Compulsory Vaccination
    Deaths denied and concealed-More deaths from the Vaccination than from Smallpox!

    page 10 Keynotes of American Rights and Libertes in Medical
    Matters
    #1 Keynote-Inalienable rights of the People=Declaration of Independence
    #2 Keynote-Reserved Rights and Powers Retained and Possessed by the People = U.S Constitution Article IX & X 1789
    #3 Keynote- Sovereign Rights of the People
    #4 Keynote- Preeminent Rights of the Individual Declared by the U.S. Supreme Court
    #5 Keynote- Compulsory Vaccination is Unconstitutional
    #7 Keynote- The U.S Government has no right to force a disease or an operation upon the people.
    #9 Keynote- Medical Freedom is an Inalienable Right
    #10 Keynote- Abolish Forced Vaccination
    "No form of vaccination or inoculation shall be compulsory upon any person, or be made a condition for the exercise of any right,privilege, duty of any person."
    The Smallpox vaccine is actually , Cowpox/Cattle diseae or Foot and Mouth disease.that cows get and so what do they do but inject it into humans! (The same with the birds and the pigs....I mean I think we have a bunch of mad scientists and NWO order administration in Washington DC!) Many died from the vaccination in 1914, or acquired the disease of Pemphigus, which I have taken care of in the hospital's within the past 20 years, huge blisters all over the body! The doctors never told us what it actually was. I just read this just now page 25!
    The more I am finding out about this H1N1, and what are government has been planning and concocting the more disgusted I am getting .......and not one of the Media or the Senators are talking about this I hope they know how upset we are with their freakin Ways and Means of Depopulating us..........What a bunch of assholes! Why the hell do we have spend hours researching this when our Congress should be bringing the makers of this and the CDC before them to testify that this thing is a huge danger to the people of this country and this world ...all so some damn Pharmaceutical company plus a million other companies and services can make a buck on this genocide ! Where in the hell is Ron Paul and Kinvich or however you spell his name....these NWO agents in Washington are going to let this thing happen .......oh this makes me mad now.....that I has a nurse was taking care of someone with Cowpox and I could have gotten it myself ........

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  2. christine

    Pelosi is to introduce a healthcare bill that addresses HER concerns. Congress has not seen the bill. Will it come to the floor for a vote in a shortness of time that does not allow the sufficient time to read the bill prior to voting, without discussion, without committee and bypass our voice through our congressmen/women so the house majority party dominates the decision over how our healthcare will be handled? Jay Rockefeller visited Obama and told him he needs to get the healthcare bill out of committee.

    I would like to see Michele Bachman's concept of insurance freedom that we control, just like our car insurance, if insurance is a must, be discussed more fully and repeatedly. It's so simple. No government expansion (that in itself is a taxpayer $$ savings).

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  3. christine

    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/record.xpd?id=111-h20090922-63

    "It's really a strange phenomenon, ACORN. And from one acorn, we know that many nuts can grow."

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  4. christine

    Impending Mandatory Vaccinations Will Affect The Health, Jobs of Canadians
    http://preventdisease.com/news/09/092309_mandatory_vaccinations_Canada.shtml

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    1. sean

      Debunk: "There are no plans to make the vaccine mandatory for any Canadians, including health care workers..." and here's Bill C6 which deals with consumer safety, not mandatory vaccination.

      http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/cps-spc/legislation/acts-lois/bill_c6-loi-eng.php

      Massachusetts Department of Public Health:
      "Many of you may have heard rumors that the Commonwealth of
      Massachusetts is planning to impose mandatory vaccinations as part of our response to the H1N1 (swine) flu pandemic. These rumors are not true. The Department of Public Health will not call for or authorize mandatory vaccination against the pandemic flu. There are no public health officials on the state, national, or global level calling for forced vaccination for
      H1N1. These rumors appear to be part of a deliberate effort to misinform concerned citizens about state and national pandemic response efforts."

      About.com Urban Legends:
      -elaynetm

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      1. Janice

        National Strategy for Pandemic Influenza Implementation Plan
        Homeland Security Council May 2006.....signed by George W.Bush
        233 pages long......

        Read this: Chapter 8, page 18

        Law Enforcement,Public Safety and Security.
        http://www.flu.gov/professional/federal/pandemic-influenza-implementation.pdf

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        1. Janice

          Also, check out page 165
          The Law enforcement role in Containment
          STATE QUARANTINE
          All law enforcement,Federal,State,Local can enforce quarantine.
          If directed by the President of the USA, pursuant of the Insurrection Act,the military may suppress domestic unrest,associated with resistance to a State Quarantine.

          Well let it be known our government has thought through this flu/vaccine and possible Pandemic,from every angle. Whether they created it or not, I will say they planned it very well. I wonder who wrote this 233 page document? Do our Presidents sit down and write this stuff or who does it?

          To think that they have known about this for the past 3 years, and have been giving the Avian Flu and Swine Flu vaccines to the military since 1958 to 1976.

          And the soldiers were given it during the first Bush's presidency during Desert Storm..in Iraq. Many of them are now ill from something...whether it was the Squalene in the Vaccines or the DU Bombs radiation they were exposed to but it was all denied by the Government then and still is....

          Then again don't forget the "Agent Orange" /DDT, that the veterans were exposed to during Vietnam...

          Or don't forget the A-Bomb testing in Nevada and New Mexico during the 50's...shooting off one Mushroom Cloud a week for years and making the soldiers set as close to it as they could so they could run experiments on them as to how dangerous radiation exposure might be to them......! While we are home had test the tuna fish can after opening it to see if it "glowed" our mother would let us eat cuz Dad said it contained too much radiation...the bomb shelters in school and bomb drills every week...I remember those days Sean....I also, remember that my mom died of two different cancers......in the early 60's....and many were dying of cancer in the USA from those bomb testing fallout.....

          How stupid can you get and you want us to believe and trust this government..I don't think so.....let them try to give me their "kool-aid' that Jim Jones gave his little society....no thank you.....that would be suicide to me to take the Swine/Avian Flu vaccine ......no way do I want some bird or animals DNA in me.....!

          And I think I read where 200,000 soldiers died from the flu or the flu vaccines in this 50 yr history of them giving it to all military personnel.

          I read that in a Scientist study online who studied why so recruits, came down with the Swine flu at Ft.Dix and they had been inoculated against it and no other exposure .....that was in 1976 and that is when President Ford came on the TV and said.."no others need to get the Swine Flu Vaccine...we discovered pigs can't transmit it to humans....." Right after I got it and nearly went into a respiratory arrest on the way home.! Thanks alot President Ford.

          Sean you haven't lived long enough to see how stupid our government can be.....so you take the Vaccine and keep in touch with us over the next 12 weeks and we will see how you do.....I'll not take it and see if I get it ......

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          1. sean

            Don't forget about the time (1918) when the swine flu infected 1.6 billion people and the government did nothing. 100 million people died throughout the world. Some people would consider that a threat.

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          2. Janice

            sorry about the lack of words....my Dad told my mother back in the 50's....if you feed the kids a can of Tuna Fish for lunch, make sure you when you open it, to take it to the closet and if the tuna glows in the dark, don't feed it to the kids.....
            That was during the A-bomb testing going on during that time.

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          3. sean

            That's very unlikely. A-Bombs can only destroy and infect areas in a 1-2 mile radius. They are designed to be used in strategic warfare, to attack military bases.

            Dumping nuclear waste is a totally different horrific story, but I'm not too sure if we did that. I know Great Britain and others have in the past. It's a total shame.

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          4. Janice

            Sean........that isn't completely true.....they had no way of testing them back then...they didn't have modern labs then, to test them then. Take note what is said about how they died....and what age group....that is why we who are concerned about this "Sqaulene" in the vaccines....it will cause the immune system when injected into our bodies to fight it off and consequently and eventually eat up its own immune system from it...that is one of the reasons why it doesn't make sense. Our bodies do better by acquring the flu the normal way of transmission....its injecting us with it that messes up or own immune defenses and confuses the immune system......its not a natural way to gain immunity.

            1918 flu pandemic(Spanish Flu)

            Two American Red Cross nurses demonstrate treatment practices during the influenza pandemic of 1918.

            The 1918 flu pandemic (commonly referred to as the Spanish Flu) was an influenza pandemic that spread to nearly every part of the world. It was caused by an unusually virulent and deadly influenza A virus strain of subtype H1N1. Historical and epidemiological data are inadequate to identify the geographic origin of the virus.[1] Most of its victims were healthy young adults, in contrast to most influenza outbreaks which predominantly affect juvenile, elderly, or otherwise weakened patients. The flu pandemic has also been implicated in the sudden outbreak of encephalitis lethargica in the 1920s.[2]

            The pandemic lasted from March 1918 to June 1920,[3] spreading even to the Arctic and remote Pacific islands. It is estimated that anywhere from 50 to 100 million people were killed worldwide.[4][5][6][7][8] An estimated 500 million people, one third of the world's population (approximately 1.6 billion at the time), became infected.[5]

            Scientists have used tissue samples from frozen victims to reproduce the virus for study. Given the strain's extreme virulence there has been controversy regarding the wisdom of such research. Among the conclusions of this research is that the virus kills via a cytokine storm (overreaction of the body's immune system) which explains its unusually severe nature and the concentrated age profile of its victims. The strong immune systems of young adults ravaged the body, whereas the weaker immune systems of children and middle-aged adults caused fewer deaths.[9]
            ]

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          5. sean

            They did test them, but radiation wont reach civilization if they are set off in the desert.

            I know all about cytokine storms, it happens to people with strong immune systems.

            Vaccines build up immune systems, they don't destroy them. Vaccines are small doses of viruses. If you take the vaccine, there is no way to catch that strain of the flu. Most people only take vaccines when there is a new type of flu going around because you don't have to take the same flu shot twice. Once you take it, you are immune to the virus for life.

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          6. Janice

            Medical complications

            Aluminum salts used in many human vaccines are generally regarded as safe;[36] however, a recent study revealed that aluminum adjuvants at levels comparable to those administered to Gulf War veterans can cause motor neuron death.[37]

            In veterinary medicine, particularly in felines, adjuvants have been linked to the induction of sarcomas at the injection site in a small proportion of vaccinations.

            Use as an adjuvant

            Vaccines originally contained a weakened or killed pathogen. Newer vaccines contain only pure proteins or protein fragments, which makes them safer. But the missing parts of the pathogen are part of the immune response. Adjuvants are used to replace those parts, and squalene is one of those adjuvants.[12]

            Since 1997, an influenza vaccine (FLUAD, Chiron) which contains about 10 mg of squalene per dose, has been approved in health agencies in several European countries. However, the Food and Drug Administration has not authorized their use in the United States.[13] Squalene is added to improve the efficacy of several experimental vaccines including pandemic flu and malaria vaccines. It is present in the form of an emulsion and is added to make the vaccine more immunogenic.[14] An adjuvant that uses squalene is MF59 and is Novartis' proprietary adjuvant that is added to influenza vaccines to help stimulate the human body's immune response through production of CD4 memory cells. MF59, is the first oil-in-water influenza vaccine adjuvant to be commercialized in combination with a seasonal influenza virus vaccine. It was developed in the 1990s by researchers at Ciba-Geigy, a Novartis heritage company, and Chiron, acquired by Novartis in 2006.[15]
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squalene

            Squalene: The Swine Flu Vaccine’s Dirty Little Secret Exposed
            Posted by: Dr. Mercola
            August 04 2009 | 332,246 views

            Why are Vaccinations Dangerous?

            The presumed intent of a vaccination is to help you build immunity to potentially harmful organisms that cause illness and disease. However, your body’s immune system is already designed to do this in response to organisms which invade your body naturally.

            Most disease-causing organisms enter your body through the mucous membranes of your nose, mouth, pulmonary system or your digestive tract – not through an injection.

            These mucous membranes have their own immune system, called the IgA immune system. It is a different system from the one activated when a vaccine is injected into your body.

            Your IgA immune system is your body’s first line of defense. Its job is to fight off invading organisms at their entry points, reducing or even eliminating the need for activation of your body’s immune system.

            When a virus is injected into your body in a vaccine, and especially when combined with an immune adjuvant like squalene, your IgA immune system is bypassed and your body’s immune system kicks into high gear in response to the vaccination.

            Injecting organisms into your body to provoke immunity is contrary to nature, and vaccination carries enormous potential to do serious damage to your health.

            (Scientists have used tissue samples from frozen victims to reproduce the virus for study. Given the strain’s extreme virulence there has been controversy regarding the wisdom of such research. Among the conclusions of this research is that the virus kills via a cytokine storm (overreaction of the body’s immune system) which explains its unusually severe nature and the concentrated age profile of its victims. The strong immune systems of young adults ravaged the body, whereas the weaker immune systems of children and middle-aged adults caused fewer deaths.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,FROM ARTICLE ABOUT SQUALENE SEAN......

            And as if Vaccines Weren’t Dangerous Enough on Their Own …

            … imagine them turbocharged.

            The main ingredient in a vaccine is either killed viruses or live ones that have been attenuated (weakened and made less harmful).

            Flu vaccines can also contain a number of chemical toxins, including ethylene glycol (antifreeze), formaldehyde, phenol (carbolic acid) and even antibiotics like Neomycin and streptomycin.

            In addition to the viruses and other additives, many vaccines also contain immune adjuvants like aluminum and squalene.

            The purpose of an immune adjuvant added to a vaccine is to enhance (turbo charge) your immune response to the vaccination. Adjuvants cause your immune system to overreact to the introduction of the organism you’re being vaccinated against.

            Adjuvants are supposed to get the job done faster (but certainly not more safely), which reduces the amount of vaccine required per dose, and the number of doses given per individual.

            Less vaccine required per person means more individual doses available for mass vaccination campaigns. Coincidentally, this is exactly the goal of government and the pharmaceutical companies who stand to make millions from their vaccines.

            Will There Be Immune Adjuvants in Swine Flu Vaccines?

            The U.S. government has contracts with several drug companies to develop and produce swine flu vaccines. At least two of those companies, Novartis and GlaxoSmithKline, are using an adjuvant in their H1N1 vaccines.

            The adjuvant? Squalene.

            According to Meryl Nass, M.D., an authority on the anthrax vaccine,

            “A novel feature of the two H1N1 vaccines being developed by companies Novartis and GlaxoSmithKline is the addition of squalene-containing adjuvants to boost immunogenicity and dramatically reduce the amount of viral antigen needed. This translates to much faster production of desired vaccine quantities.”[v]

            Novartis’s proprietary squalene adjuvant for their H1N1 vaccine is MF59. Glaxo’s is ASO3. MF59 has yet to be approved by the FDA for use in any U.S. vaccine, despite its history of use in other countries.

            Per Dr. Nass, there are only three vaccines in existence using an approved squalene adjuvant. None of the three are approved for use in the U.S.

            What Squalene Does to Rats

            Oil-based vaccination adjuvants like squalene have been proved to generate concentrated, unremitting immune responses over long periods of time.[vi]

            A 2000 study published in the American Journal of Pathology demonstrated a single injection of the adjuvant squalene into rats triggered “chronic, immune-mediated joint-specific inflammation,” also known as rheumatoid arthritis.[vii]

            The researchers concluded the study raised questions about the role of adjuvants in chronic inflammatory diseases.

            What Squalene Does to Humans

            Your immune system recognizes squalene as an oil molecule native to your body. It is found throughout your nervous system and brain. In fact, you can consume squalene in olive oil and not only will your immune system recognize it, you will also reap the benefits of its antioxidant properties.

            The difference between “good” and “bad” squalene is the route by which it enters your body. Injection is an abnormal route of entry which incites your immune system to attack all the squalene in your body, not just the vaccine adjuvant.

            Your immune system will attempt to destroy the molecule wherever it finds it, including in places where it occurs naturally, and where it is vital to the health of your nervous system.[viii]

            Gulf War veterans with Gulf War Syndrome (GWS) received anthrax vaccines which contained squalene.[ix] MF59 (the Novartis squalene adjuvant) was an unapproved ingredient in experimental anthrax vaccines and has since been linked to the devastating autoimmune diseases suffered by countless Gulf War vets.[x]

            The Department of Defense made every attempt to deny that squalene was indeed an added contaminant in the anthrax vaccine administered to Persian Gulf war military personnel – deployed and non-deployed – as well as participants in the more recent Anthrax Vaccine Immunization Program (AVIP).

            However, the FDA discovered the presence of squalene in certain lots of AVIP product. A test was developed to detect anti-squalene antibodies in GWS patients, and a clear link was established between the contaminated product and all the GWS sufferers who had been injected with the vaccine containing squalene.

            A study conducted at Tulane Medical School and published in the February 2000 issue of Experimental Molecular Pathology included these stunning statistics:

            “ … the substantial majority (95%) of overtly ill deployed GWS patients had antibodies to squalene. All (100%) GWS patients immunized for service in Desert Shield/Desert Storm who did not deploy, but had the same signs and symptoms as those who did deploy, had antibodies to squalene.

            In contrast, none (0%) of the deployed Persian Gulf veterans not showing signs and symptoms of GWS have antibodies to squalene. Neither patients with idiopathic autoimmune disease nor healthy controls had detectable serum antibodies to squalene. The majority of symptomatic GWS patients had serum antibodies to squalene.”[xi]

            According to Dr. Viera Scheibner, Ph.D., a former principle research scientist for the government of Australia:

            “… this adjuvant [squalene] contributed to the cascade of reactions called "Gulf War Syndrome," documented in the soldiers involved in the Gulf War.

            The symptoms they developed included arthritis, fibromyalgia, lymphadenopathy, rashes, photosensitive rashes, malar rashes, chronic fatigue, chronic headaches, abnormal body hair loss, non-healing skin lesions, aphthous ulcers, dizziness, weakness, memory loss, seizures, mood changes, neuropsychiatric problems, anti-thyroid effects, anaemia, elevated ESR (erythrocyte sedimentation rate), systemic lupus erythematosus, multiple sclerosis, ALS (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis), Raynaud’s phenomenon, Sjorgren’s syndrome, chronic diarrhoea, night sweats and low-grade fevers.”[xii]

            Post Vaccination Follow-Up Might as Well Be Non-Existent

            There is virtually no science to support the safety of vaccine injections on your long-term health or the health of your children. Follow-up studies last on average about two weeks, and look only for glaring injuries and illnesses.

            Autoimmune disorders like those seen in Gulf War Syndrome frequently take years to diagnose due to the vagueness of early symptoms. Complaints like headaches, fatigue and chronic aches and pains are symptoms of many different illnesses and diseases.

            Don’t hold your breath waiting for vaccine purveyors and proponents to look seriously at the long-term health consequences of their vaccination campaigns.
            http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/08/04/Squalene-The-Swine-Flu-Vaccines-Dirty-Little-Secret-Exposed.aspx

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          7. Janice

            Sean it wasn't the Swine flu it was the Spanish flu.....

            Here's a movie you can watch online to see how stupid our government was with the our military...and the A-Bombs!

            Atom Bomb [Joe Bonica's Movie of the Month] (ca. 1955)

            http://www.archive.org/details/AtomBomb1946
            read the comments beneath the video....
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            Nuclear Weapons Newsreel - Atomic Bomb Testing In Nevada

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhAypMTT9Yc
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            Nuclear Weapons Newsreel - Nuclear Testing

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwzTH27XnD4&NR=1

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            Hiroshima A-Bomb

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYevZoMCC7A&NR=1

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          8. sean

            I'll watch those movies tomorrow. The flu shots generally help people. It's mainly for the old and young because they don't have strong immune systems. 500,000 people die a year from the normal flu. It can be a dangerous threat and the shots do help.

            I would never take a flu shot just because I don't get sick. I never get sick, I eat healthy and i'm very active. But some people do, I know people who don't take the shot and get sick every year from it... I've heard a lot recently about bad vaccines but generally its okay.

            I'm more concerned about all the pesticides that get into our water. We use pesticides that are illegal in Europe. We bathe in it and drink it. Its all contaminated, you can't clean it properly. 1/3 of sicknesses come from drinking water.

            http://www.flowthefilm.com/trailer

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          9. sean

            All the sewer drainage pipes were built throughout america in the 50's. They are all starting to corrodes and are all going to deteriorate and we're doing anything about it. Some cities are drinking Prozac and all kinds of drugs and chemicals flushed down the sewers. It's going to be bad.

            I have class from 10 am to 9 pm and two test. Its so late!

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    2. christine

      Not debunked, Sean. Do not mislead people! Several countries have already moved into the mandatory phase and Massachusetts already has.

      Fined $1000 Per Day And 30 Days In Jail For Refusing The Swine Flu Vaccine In Massachusetts
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaiIWmxG1WE

      During a declared pandemic, medical emergency, the laws are different.

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      1. sean

        They aren't going to mandate the shot. They did write legislation to give them powers to mandate it in case of a state of emergency, which I believe is wrong but others might see it as a last hope survival insurance.

        George Bush made a bill allowing martial law. I think it is crazy, scary, and horrible, but he didn't use it and I doubt we will ever need to. You would seriously have to be racist to think that obama would declare martial law. He is a kind guy. He carries different philosophies as we do, but he isn't evil. Anyone with good character would judge obama based off of his passion for his own "utopia."

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        1. christine

          Back peddling now? You don't know that they won't use these laws. Our government is not the same government it once was.

          Do you know about incrementalism? They know we as Americans would strongly object to our freedoms being taken so they have figured out a way to override them, a little bit is put in place at a time...for the future, which is very near now. The flu season has begun and the vaccine is contaminated with ingreadients that should not go in your body unless you want to develop diseases in the future. It may also be lethal, several reactions to this vaccine.

          If left alone, the flu would come and go, but someone's been busy in a laboratory.

          I believe the NWO folks see people like Jenny McCarthy coming too close to exposing the truth. Others are also catching on to the real damage caused with ALL vaccines. The elite have used this as a means to make us sick and feed big pharma big bucks. We REALLY DO HAVE A SICK CARE SYSTEM! Our food supply, water, air...all chemicals. And the governmetn wants to be our healthcare provider. That pisses me off!! They sit around the table and in congressional hearings like we don't even exist, our voices not heard, talking about how OUR HEALTH CARE will be handled. Excuse me! Their job is not to be our healthcare provider but to clean up our water, air and food supply!! Then maybe we would not need healthcare and that certainly would reduce our healthcare costs for real! They all should be fired (except Ron Paul, Alan Grayson and the like). We need real people discussing our issues.

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        2. christine

          The only ones who are racists are the ones who bring it up. It's on their mind, not mine.

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          1. Janice

            I don't know about you, but in my lifetime I have been discriminated against at the University of Michigan,when I applied for the,clinical's of the BSN program, my African-American co-worker got in without ever having attended the program at all. I had and got "A's" and was told they had a "quota" to meet...they told me and many more my color to attend a university 80 miles away. At the time I thought I had to pay for what people had done to the "slaves" hundreds of years ago. This video mentions that and no we don't have to pay....it is we now, Europeans who are being ethnically genocided......a different twist on things but it doesn't make me a racist it makes them one.

            Systematic Ethnic Genocide
            ( of people of European Decent)
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic4VUdeAA4Q&feature=related

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          2. christine

            Yes, I've been discriminated against. That's why I said what I said. It was on their mind, not mine.

            Unfortunately we have these neat little forms to fill out that perpetuate and legally perpetrate rascism. And constantly going over the history of rascism and talking about it, as if any of us were there, just causes the resurfacing of feelings that regenerate the ill-feelings towards others. And when this happens it's from and towards people who were not even in the orginal historical events, people who do not hold rascist views. Color does not make the person, but the content of their character surely does. Obama is being judged by the content of his character. If he didn't promise and then lie so much. Besides, he is both black and white so how could race be the issue?

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    3. Janice

      Here's what's coming next Christine.....this I think is the surveillance they were talking about in;

      National Strategy for Pandemic Influenza Implementation Plan
      Homeland Security Council May 2006…..signed by George W.Bush
      233 pages
      .Law Enforcement,Public Safety and Security.
      http://www.flu.gov/professional/federal/pandemic-influenza-implementation.pdf
      Reply

      I saw it in the index but I didn't understand what they were talking about, now maybe I do....after reading this article tonight.....
      (Reuters) - Shares of VeriChip Corp (CHIP.O) tripled after the company said it had been granted an exclusive license to two patents, which will help it to develop implantable virus detection systems in humans.

      The patents, held by VeriChip partner Receptors LLC, relate to biosensors that can detect the H1N1 and other viruses, and biological threats such as methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus, VeriChip said in a statement.

      The technology will combine with VeriChip's implantable radio frequency identification devices to develop virus triage detection systems.

      The triage system will provide multiple levels of identification -- the first will identify the agent as virus or non-virus, the second level will classify the virus and alert the user to the presence of pandemic threat viruses and the third level will identify the precise pathogen, VeriChip said in a white paper published May 7, 2009.

      Shares of VeriChip were up 186 percent at $3.28 Monday late afternoon trade on Nasdaq. They had touched a year high of $3.43 earlier in the session.

      (Reporting by Mansi Dutta in Bangalore; Editing by Mike Miller and Anil D'Silva)

      The ironic thing about this Verichip is that if any of you are aware of Hulda Clarks PH.D in biochemistry research on the EMG's of all living things...a virus has a certain EMG well most things are under 750 EMG.s and Humans are around 100,000...so virus's and bacteria are easily killed very simply......and Hulda was deported out of the USA by the FDA...if you want to know about this read her books....but anyway here they have a company who wants to slip a chip in us for a big buck cost and all she was doing was trying to make us aware of how to destroy the things that try to destroy us.....bacteria, virus's,parasites,fungi,.....by the way rest her soul she died this past month......She was a great scientist that was way ahead of her time.....but thank god she gave those secrets to us practically free.......I'll also be using her suggestions in my own home for the treatment of this Virus......as well as Vitamin D-3. Her contribution to our health will live on forever........

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      1. christine

        Yes, the corruption and use of money and politics, incrementalism towards the NWO in action. Information is used either negatively against us or positively to for us. The NWO folks have a nack of using info negatively and destructively. They turn this info into something that sounds like it is for us and a positive thing to attract believers and followers, sheeple. What kind of world are they actually creating. It's so far away from what is natural. We were already given an immune system, have info on proper nutrition, have health care that has been labeled as "alternative" when it is actually the original way. They do the same with having to go the extra mile and expense to label "organic" foods instead of labeling GMO foods or chemically treated foods as a warning! It is the nature of negativity. Negative energy operates in the opposite direction from natural, God-given, already exist. You could rightly say and conclude that the NWO folks are fighting against God. That's deceptively arrogant and egotistical. It's apparent in all of their actions be it the use of money/currency-energy, politics/God's laws, natural intelligence-connectionto God-intuition/brainwashing, medicine-drugs/nutrition-healing practices that support the body's natural immune system, war/peace, on and on.

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        1. Janice

          Wow Christine ......you have the entire picture of what is happening....I"m so glad you see the Spiritual side of things too....they are really trying to get rid of us and for what or why? So they can have this world all to themselves? The thing is with this vaccine they have created they too will take it and they too will die mostly likely.....why they want to destroy us and to think that they will be passed by when they are releasing all of this radiation DU bombs,GMO seeds,Avian/Flu vaccine,Chemtrails biowarfare.....why aren't any of them dying or a better question is how are they immune to it.....
          If they are human than they will get something from all their pollution they are aerating the earth with.....
          Well, we know God created this earth and us and he will not let them destroy us for an eternity....they'll get there's after their plans are for us are finished........
          Well take care keep researching ....and if we can get our own little groups praying against them I think we would see faster results for the better for us......!

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    4. Janice

      ATTENTION MILITARY AND FAMILIES OF THE MILITARY: YOU NEED TO HEAR THESE SHOWS

      http://thelightofdayradioshow.com/archives/RBN-BACKUP/WAA_5-09-09_Hr1_Ad-Free.mp3

      http://thelightofdayradioshow.com/archives/RBN-BACKUP/WAA_5-09-09_Hr2_Ad-Free.mp3

      Dr Carley is a guest on "A Marines Disquisition" with Drew Raines every Friday at 5-7 PM EST; these shows can be accessed at http://www.amd.elequity.com/ (as can the archives of prior shows)

      Website: http://www.drcarley.com/

      Scroll down Sean to read more about the 1918 Vaccine!
      I didn't know they had a given everyone vaccines against the Spanish Flu until reading this doctors account of what happened back then......so I learn even more about it.

      THE 1918 INFLUENZA EPIDEMIC WAS A VACCINE-CAUSED DISEASE
      E. McBean (Vaccination The Silent Killer p28)

      Very few people realize that the worst epidemic ever to hit America, the
      Spanish Influenza of 1918 was the after effect of the massive nation-wide
      vaccine campaign. The doctors told the people that the disease was caused
      by germs. Viruses were not known at that time or they would have been
      blamed. Germs. bacteria and viruses, along with bacilli and a few other
      invisible organisms are the scapegoats which the doctors like to blame for
      the things they do not understand. If the doctor makes a wrong diagnosis
      and treatment, and kills the patient, he can always blame it on the germs,
      and say the patient didnt get an early diagnosis and come to him in time.

      If we check back in history to that 1918 flu period, we will see that it
      suddenly struck just after the end of World War I when our soldiers were
      returning home from overseas. That was the first war in which all the known
      vaccines were forced on all the servicemen. This mish-mash of poison drugs
      and putrid protein of which the vaccines were composed, caused such
      widespread disease and death among the soldiers that it was the common talk
      of the day, that more of our men were being killed by medical shots than by
      enemy shots from guns. Thousands were invalided home or to military
      hospitals, as hopeless wrecks, before they ever saw a day of battle. The
      death and disease rate among the vaccinated soldiers was four times higher
      than among the unvaccinated civilians. But this did not stop the vaccine
      promoters. Vaccine has always been big business, and so it was continued
      doggedly.

      It was a shorter war than the vaccine-makers had planned on, only about a
      year for us, so the vaccine promoters had a lot of unused, spoiling
      vaccines left over which they wanted to sell at a good profit. So they did
      what they usually do, they called a meeting behind closed doors, and
      plotted the whole sordid program, a nationwide (worldwide) vaccination
      drive using all their vaccines, and telling the people that the soldiers
      were coming home with many dread diseases contracted in foreign countries
      and that it was the patriotic duty of every man, woman and child to get
      "protected" by rushing down to the vaccination centers and having all the
      shots.

      Most people believe their doctors and government officials, and do what
      they say. The result was, that almost the entire population submitted to
      the shots without question, and it was only a matter of hours until people
      began dropping dead in agony, while many others collapsed with a disease of
      such virulence that no one had ever seen anything like it before. They had
      all the characteristics of the diseases they had been vaccinated against,
      the high fever, chills, pain, cramps, diarrhea, etc. of typhoid, and the
      pneumonia like lung and throat congestion of diphtheria and the vomiting,
      headache, weakness and misery of hepatitis from the jungle fever shots, and
      the outbreak of sores on the skin from the smallpox shots, along with
      paralysis from all the shots, etc.

      The doctors were baffled, and claimed they didnt know what caused the
      strange and deadly disease, and they certainly had no cure. They should
      have known the underlying cause was the vaccinations, because the same
      thing happened to the soldiers after they had their shots at camp. The
      typhoid fever shots caused a worse form of the disease which they called
      para-typhoid. Then they tried to suppress the symptoms of that one with a
      stronger vaccine which caused a still more serious disease which killed and
      disabled a great many men. The combination of all the poison vaccines
      fermenting together in the body, caused such violent reactions that they
      could not cope with the situation. Disaster ran rampant in the camps. Some
      of the military hospitals were filled with nothing but paralyzed soldiers,
      and they were called war casualties, even before they left American soil. I
      talked to some of the survivors of that vaccine onslaught when they
      returned home after the war, and they told of the horrors, not of the war
      itself, and battles, but of the sickness at camp.

      The doctors didnt want this massive vaccine disease to reflect on them, so
      they, agreed among themselves to call it Spanish Influenza. Spain was a far
      away place and some of the soldiers had been there, so the idea of calling
      it Spanish Influenza seemed to be a good way to lay the blame on someone
      else. The Spanish resented having us name the world scourge on them. They
      knew the flu didnt originate in their country.

      20,000,000 died of that flu epidemic, worldwide, and it seemed to be almost
      universal or as far away as the vaccinations reached. Greece and a few
      other countries which did not accept the vaccines were the only ones which
      were not hit by the flu. Doesnt that prove something?

      At home (in the U.S.) the situation was the same; the only ones who escaped
      the influenza were those who had refused the vaccinations. My family and 1
      were among the few who persisted in refusing the high pressure sales
      propaganda ,and none of us had the flu not even a sniffle, in spite of
      the fact that it was all around us, and in the bitter cold of winter.
      Everyone seemed to have it. The whole town was down sick and dying. The
      hospitals were closed because the doctors and nurses were down with the
      flu. Everything was closed, schools, businesses, post office everything.
      No one was on the streets. It was like a ghost town. There were no doctors
      to care for the sick, so my parents went from house to house doing what
      they could to help the stricken in any way they could. They spent all day
      and part of the night for weeks, in the sick rooms, and came home only to
      eat and sleep. If germs or viruses, bacteria, or any other little organisms
      were the cause of that disease, they had plenty of opportunity to latch
      onto my parents and "lay them low" with the disease which had prostrated
      the world. But germs were not the cause of that or any other disease, so
      they didnt "catch" it. I have talked to a few other people since that
      time, who said they escaped the 1918 flu, so I asked if they had the shots,
      and in every case, they said they had never believed in shots and had never
      had any of them. Common sense tells us that all those toxic vaccines all
      mixed up together in people, could not help but cause extreme
      body-poisoning and poisoning of some kind or another is usually the
      cause of disease.

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  5. Joe

    I brought my daughter to the doctors office last week (she needed a physical in order to play school sports) Even though I have Bule Coss / Blue Shield the receptionist asked if I knew for sure that my insurance would pay for it, when I hesitated she informed me that I could pay $55 now or they will submit it to my ins. company BUT if my insurance kicks it back the charge will be $225 dollars. When I ask "how can this be?" she replied "it's because of the red tape, handling and paper work involved"

    Can someone please answer this question?

    If the red tape between my doctor and Blue Cross / Blue Shield increases the cost of a simple physical by 150% how will creating another massive government red tape layer decrease the cost of health care?

    www.LivingObamaHell.com

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    1. Janice

      Yep. I just called to get a doctors appointment too and they said they deal in "cash only", the first visit would be $250 for which I have to pay them for and then they will submit the visit to my insurance and when they repay them they would reimburse me of whatever they paid for it.!
      Also, if our congress wants to make sure that our insurance premiums come down in this new bill they are writing......then they first must make sure that DOCTORS STOP CHARGING OUTRAGEOUS AMOUNTS FOR THEIR SERVICES! That is the problem in the high cost of premiums is the doctors and hospitals are charging inflated prices and have been for the past 15 years!!!!!!!!!!!
      Congress knows that there is fraud going on these hospitals....charging for items and tests that were never done or given.....they know that with all of these specialists that each of us are referred to that they charge outrageous prices so about at least 2-3 doctors get a piece of the Money Pie...and so of course the insurance companies have to charge more for their premiums because doctors and hospitals and specialists are charging more for their care........
      Again, Government never goes to the source or the cause.never really fixes anything never listens to their constituents....they just are a bunch of lawyers up there writing some complicated nonsense..........
      Get rid of the "For Profit Hospitals and Nursing Homes and Assistant living facilities".........
      and make THEM become Federal Hospitals......then they would either have to work for less or not work at all.......
      IN fact we should have at least one hospital that went broke and bankrupt in each town the then have the government buy it up and we will have a choice to go to it or not

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    2. christine

      A lot of so called "medicine" is a scam, big pharma, for profit not quality of care or genuine healing practices. People need to use the power of choice and seek alternative means that support the body's natural immune system. This is why our immune system is systematically under attack via our food supply, our water and our air. It's all for profit and control over the people.

      Healthcare insurance is not a solution to true healing. Insurance is an additional, perpetual expense designed to make others wealthy. One head of an insurance company, in a congressional hearing aired on c-span the other day admitted to her salary.... $728,000 a year!! That's just one person in that one company. Spread that around to several insurance companies and you will see vividly why the government wants to get in on the action. Hey, don't leave the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, a federal corporation out of the profits (sarcasm).

      The root of the problem is our entire medical philosophy, practices touted as the best, but in the times where we are brainwashed that what is good is actually bad, we need to use our own intelligence, our own minds and make our own choices for what really helps us be in good health. Only use services that do that, make your choices and put your money into what truly works. Don't leave your health up to so-called professionals. It's our own responsibility... and it starts with clean air, water, food, exercise and eliminating toxins from our bodies that cause disease in the first place. What we have come to rely on in the medical profession has been perverted to perpetuate business and profit, not to help us heal.

      NO INSURANCE PLAN WILL FIX THIS PROBLEM.

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    3. christine

      During a discussion of the health care debate, I heard someone say that with the government's proposed health care exchange, we would be paying them premiums for 4 years before we received any benefits. Sounds like breaking the law to me. Isn't it money in exchange for services rendered?

      Given the history with social security and all the money people put into it, the government saying now that funds are nearly or are exhausted, doesn't it make you wonder what would happen with all the premiums pre-paid with any government controlled health care plan?

      If we pay premiums to the government, given the enormous profit margins in the health insurance industry, given that they are the culprits behind chemicals in our food supply, GMO foods, laws passed to purposfully hamper organic gardening, taking control over our farms, chemicals and drugs in our water supply, chemtrail chemicals in our air supply, government in bed with big pharma controlling our health care system as it is, pushing vaccines worldwide that have known side effects to cause disease that are also possibly lethal, wouldn't the profits from a government health insurance, that we pay for by premiums, be used to further their plans of attack on our immune system? Wouldn't we in essence be paying for our own ill-health? You bet. How ridiculous is that? Unless and until they stop all the other known attacks (air, water, food, medical), how could we ever possibly trust them with our health care?

      Some naturopathic doctors are also MDs. They opted out of the corrupt sick care system to offer health care that works.

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    4. David B Daniels Hyde Park Mass

      The answer you seek is all in the red tape.

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  6. VR

    The Case for Killing Granny
    Rethinking end-of-life care.
    http://www.newsweek.com/id/215291

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  7. Janice

    Nurses, would you go to work during a Pandemic?
    No 1,905 21.83%
    Yes 5,546 63.54%
    undecided 1,277 14.63%

    Voters: 8728. You voted on this poll.

    http://allnurses.com/pandemic-flu-forum/will-you-work-258506.html

    Scenario:

    H5N1 (the bird flu) mutates to become efficient at transmitting Human to human causing a Pandemic, with a case fatality rate of 60% and with 80% of the cases in the 0-40 year old age range.

    see:
    http://www.wpro.who.int/NR/rdonlyres.../0/S4_1113.jpg

    Hospitals will be quickly overrun. Hospital staff shortages are 50%. The Government orders all nurses to work. There is not enough Personal Protection Equipment (N95 masks, gloves, goggles, tamiflu, vax, etc)

    Home quarantines become common (in the Fed plans).
    Your family is also quarantined in your home. You are running out of food and the Government promises you will be "taken care of" if you report to work.

    Will you go?

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    1. Janice

      one nurse comment concerning whether she will work or not...

      Pandemic or not, my family comes first. Sorry, but its not my problem that they have not invested enough money for PPE, staff and research;nor, should I risk my life trying to accommodate their mistakes.

      I am quite sure that you aren't going to see any politicians or high level government officials out there helping, if we were to have the scenario that was presented...........I'm sure that they will be bunkered down.

      another: How can I be ordered to work if I'm quarantined???

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  8. Janice

    Nurse sues Chicago cop who arrested her
    September 21, 2009 10:03 AM | No Comments

    An Advocate Illinois Masonic Medical Center nurse has filed a civil lawsuit against a Chicago police officer and the city of Chicago, claiming the officer arrested her for wanting to consult with a supervisor before collecting a blood sample from a suspected drunken driver.

    Lisa Hofstra was the nurse in charge of the emergency room at Illinois Masonic about 4 a.m. on Aug. 1 when she said an officer named Rodriguez asked her to take blood samples from a man to determine his blood-alcohol level, according to a lawsuit filed in federal court. Hofstra allegedly told the officer the man had to become a patient first and she wanted to consult with her supervisor.

    The officer cuffed her and placed her in the back of a squad car, according to the lawsuit.

    The lawsuit claims Rodriguez, who is not fully named in the complaint, used excessive force by placing the handcuffs on Hofstra too tightly and arrested her without probable cause.

    Hofstra is seeking an unspecified amount of damages.

    ---Kristen Schorsch

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  9. Janice

    New York State Requires Flu Vaccination for Caregivers

    "The State Health Department is requiring tens of thousands of health care workers across the state to be vaccinated for flu, amid fears that the swine flu will return in the fall. The new regulation, quietly adopted as an emergency on Thursday, affects workers at hospitals, in home health care agencies and in hospice care but, because of a technicality in state law, not in nursing homes."

    NY Times, August 18, 2009

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/19/he...er=rss&emc=rss

    "It should be that worker's choice and not someone up in Albany."

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  10. Janice

    Study links 45,000 U.S. deaths to lack of insurance

    Sept 18, 2009

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Nearly 45,000 people die in the United States each year -- one every 12 minutes -- in large part because they lack health insurance and can not get good care, Harvard Medical School researchers found in an analysis released on Thursday.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/domes...58G6W520090918

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    1. christine

      Insurance does not get to the root of our problem. The problem really is that we believe in a monetary based society. Everything we have and do is based on how much money. Money is used to control, oppress, manipulate and dominate. We have mistakenly come to believe that money is power. It is said so often, it must be true, right? Money is not power...unless we believe it is. Money is little pices of paper. And we let people die from the lack of it. We allow ourselves to be controlled by those who have a lot of it, when they have only self-interests. We allow it to govern and reduce our choices in life. Considering these little pieces of paper are just that, and are printed out of thin air, it seems to make the most brilliant minds look ridiculous.

      Some day, perhpas in 2012 when the belief in money is exhausted, we will return to a humanitarian belief system and no one will go without.

      David Icke "What is Money?" from Radical Truth Knowledge and Revolution
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peiTfY7Bx4c

      Check out the Venus Project, not that it has to be the way, but it just shows us there are other thoughts and belief systems that lead to a more prosperous and healthy society. Creatives get busy! Let's not be sheeple too much longer. If you listen to so many discussions, listen for the intrusion of money. It invades our lives like no other belief. People do wrong towards others for it, for profit, the earth is destroyed for it, and people who wish to do good can't get their plans off the ground for the lack of it. What is wrong with us?! We allow this.

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      1. sean

        That is where you and everyone else are totally wrong. The root of the problems in our economy have to do with how productive it is. You can have any system of money ever dreamed of but it is worthless without a productive economy. I could have a million dollars worth of gold but it does no good if I can't turn it into tangible items. I would have to turn to Chinese manufactorers, which is good for their economy.

        There is no economic theory needed to explain this, just compare the united states economy to china's.

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        1. christine

          The error in your thinking is still stuck in "economy", money based beliefs.

          In a society that is not money-based, there is no economy. We pursue humanitarian services for each other and the earth because it is what is needed. Decisions are not based on profit or money, which is where corruption begins. We have not known this sense of freedom in eons, and yet you still opt for justifying the limiting nature of money printed out of thin air and disregard the damage and waste of effort, discussions, time and resources spent needlessly while those that are needed are not pursued simply because there is no profit in it. I see what this belief has led to, the here and now, and the here and now is not even satisfactory. People die from the lack of money and we allow that to happen. People with money corrupt systems and lord control over others, allowed to steal the wealth of others. The belief in money is insanity. That we ascribe power to money, pieces of paper or presious metals or electronic blimps on a cash machine is a system that is outdated and does not serve our needs.

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      2. Willschillin

        I'm a newly awoken Obama supporter who now realizes after voting for him (McCain would be any better)and almost worked for the Federal Reserve, but they didn't give me the job (go figure)

        Having said that, I believe now more than ever after researching the Fed Reserve and the criticisms of their founding, operation and practices I've found that Christine is correct.

        Youtube search Venus Project, or Zeigiest or just click here:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gKX9TWRyfs

        This is very disturbing along with the the CODEX food stuff...we're doomed if all we do is blog and rant on the Internet...this is crazy!

        As soon as you start trying spread the word to people who don't know any better...they'll tell you youre crazy conspiracy theorist.

        9-11-2001 was not perpetrated the way we were told, if you need any evidence of that its all over the net. But you NEVER hear the media say anything but buy the government story. I have done a ton of research on this alone and I can tell you one thing - WE ARE LIED TOO, ALL THE TIME!

        When are we as a nation going to wake up? We need to band together and demand serious answers on serious issues.

        This notion that we need to not know things like 9-11 for instance or that you may no want to know these lies and deceits is telling in and of itself.

        The majority of the country is in lala land. Its crazy and pathetic if you ask me.

        Christine, great post...keep up informing people of the world as it is versus the world as we want to know it.

        RON PAUL 2012!

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        1. christine

          Thanks. I'm glad you are benefitting from the posts.

          You might want to click around here. I've collected some of my research in a website. Makes it easier for me to share. www.livingquests.com

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  11. sean

    I've heard so many conflicting stories on the H1N1 virus. First it was Obama set off to makes millions from tamiflu stock.

    I heard the government was going to depopulate the earth.

    And then I heard that it is actually Rockefeller who is out to depopulate the earth.

    And then I heard it was the drug companies trying to mutate us so they can keep selling us medicine.

    I wonder who is really out to get us.

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  12. longshotlouie

    Swine flu 'could kill millions unless rich nations give £900m'
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/20/swine-flu-costs-un-report

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  13. Janice

    Why can't I see the email comments after the date of September 4th?
    I receive them in my email but they are not here when I get here to the site. ? Who is doing this?

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    1. christine

      Do you mean the comments before the date of September 4th? There is an "Older Comments" link after the oldest comment towards the bottom of the page in each forum.

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      1. Janice

        I went into manage my whatever and I had Healthcare blocked!
        So I unblocked it and now they are there.....thanks for your concern Christine.
        I heard Len Horowitz on Coast to Coast about a month ago and he was adamant then about us not taking the flu vaccine, I"m glad he is doing something about it..thanks for all your blogs to help us get to the right sites........I've emailed my senators many times about it but they never reply back.....
        It doesn't do any good to call their interns either because they are given no info by the senators that they work for,to tell us.

        I heard that Obama is going to give all those government officals staffers free money to pay off all their schools loans.......Sounds like a bribe to me, that way none of them dare talk bad about the government........or think for themselves.....

        I wonder if they are going to take it?

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  14. christine

    Len Horowitz files pandemic charges against Rockefeller
    http://www.theflucase.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=647%3Alen-horowitz-files-pandemic-charges-against-rockefeller&catid=1%3Alatest-news&Itemid=64&lang=en

    LOS ANGELES, CA -- Drug-industry investigators have uncovered documents exposing an international drug ring, operating from New York City, is behind the H1N1 swine flu fright and vaccination preparations.

    Dr. Leonard G. Horowitz and Sherri Kane, an investigative journalist, have released evidence in legal affidavits that leaders of a private global biotechnology "trust" are behind the pandemic flu, including its origin and alleged prevention via vaccinations. Their documents, being sent by attorneys to the FBI this week, evidence industrialists are operating a crime ring within the "Partnership for New York City" (PNYC), and are behind the pandemic's creation, media persuasions, vaccination preparations, and health official promotions

    "David Rockefeller's trust, that engages several powerful partners on Wall Street, including media moguls Ruppert Murdock, Morton Zuckerman, Thomas Glocer, and former Chairman of the Board of Directors of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, Jerry Speyer, are implicated in advancing global genocide," Dr. Horowitz wrote to FBI directors.

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    1. sean

      I hope justice is served.

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    2. christine

      Dr. Leonard Horowitz's Affidavit (lengthy)
      http://www.fluscam.com/Affidavit.html

      I hope we are all safe now, that the FBI and our judicial system acts quickly, that the vaccine campaigns will STOP...and all vaccines will be investigated for the harm they do. Then we can heal and need healthcare a lot less, diseases will disappear. That is TRULY a savings on our health care expenses, an improvement of our healthcare system and an improvement of our health and well-being!!! People are going to start to question and distrust western medicine practices more and more ...and all those side effects mentioned after each TV ad will be taken seriously!! We're going to become more responsible for our own health and well-being.

      Our world will change dramatically because the people will become less toxic, healed and more whole human beings. And may "alternative" and eastern healing practices become the way.

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      1. longshotlouie

        Thanks for that post. It is on dozens of liberty sites now.

        Heave Ho ! We've just begun.

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      2. christine

        My concern is this... the FBI has the affidavit, but they are the FEDERAL Bureau of Investigation...as in the FEDEARL government. Does the FBI protect the Federal Government, the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, a federal corporation or does it protect Americans? They don't seem to be moving fast enough on this vaccine issue for my liking. Jane Burgermeister filed her evidence with the FBI too ...I think in April of this year. I haven't heard of any FBI action. That's a real problem.

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  15. Ellswortht

    Two liberals vs. a thinking person. Listen carefully to the rhetoric espoused by the two liberals: They really don't say anything.

    http://www.ronpaul.com/2009-09-10/were-broke-so-why-do-we-even-argue-about-government-healthcare/

    My question to Scheiner: When was the last time you treated a patient for free?

    Why should the insurance companies give free coverage? Why don't we force doctors to work for less pay? The liberal argument makes as much sense.

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  16. Cindy

    Dr. Paul, are you standing up for us when it comes to this Swine Flu scam? The vaccine being tested currently doesnt carry the adjuvant Squalene, which is known to cause auto-immune disorders. Just like in the 70's, the vaccine being tested is not the one they will actually be giving out. Those of us with auto-immune disorders already cannot take this added insult to our systems. Many of us could end up in wheel chairs, paralysed.

    Dr. Paul, are you standing up in Congress to tell them that the numbers being given out in the media about Swine flu deaths are severely over-reported? Are you helping us in this????

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  17. Janice

    The Swine Flu Vaccination 'Scandal'

    The first thing the General wanted to warn about was the dangers inherent in taking the proposed "Swine flu" vaccination. He said that the Swine flu vaccination was a "complete scandal" that "will produce antigens in your body that you don't need" and the "will produce some viruses that your body may not contain." His warning serves as a CONFIRMATION of what the alternative health camp have been trumpeting all along: the attempt to force the Swine flu vaccination agenda is intended to POISON you and not protect you. My advice continues to be: AVOID any and all vaccines--at any cost.

    General Jeremiah also added that "it was going to be very difficult for your military and government employees to reject" taking these vaccines, "but if you can in any way, please do."

    I might add my own comments to his warming: the quarter million men and women of the US armed forces who have already died as a result of being poisoned with the "special" anthrax vaccination given to them in preparation for the first attack against Iraq in January of 1991, serve as a silent testimonial and reminder to current members of the armed forces that the Pentagon and government are under the control of NWO traitors and fifth columnists who are intent on destroying this country, its people, and its military defenders. *

    (* See Gary Matsumoto's 2004 book, 'Vaccine A: The Covert Government Experiment That's Killing Our Soldiers--And Why GI's Are Only The First Victims' ) .

    http://educate-yourself.org/cn/generaljeremiahcallsagain29jul09.shtml

    Chemtrail Mitigation

    The General announced that after three years of research by a very large team of scientists aboard their (15 miles long, 5 miles wide) mother ship, the Alliance, that they had succeeded in developing what he described as a "serum" to neutralize the poisonous elements of chemtrail sprayings and render them harmless. He said that his group had begun deploying the serum into earth's atmosphere at the beginning of July 2009, utilizing 2,000 spacecraft daily around the globe and added that "hopefully, we'll have that problem solved within a few weeks."

    This is clearly good news for billions of people worldwide, whether they are aware of chemtrail spraying or not. It's interesting to note that earlier in the show I had alluded to the apparent failure of the chemtrail poisoning operations to "work" for the Illuminated Ones, but last night we were given a stunning confirmation from the United Galactic Federation of their assistance in helping to rid our atmosphere of these toxins, for which we are most grateful (of course, we continue to recognize and honor the tremendous assistance which we have received all along from the giant air elementals, the Sylphs, and those awakened members of humanity whose thoughts, focused intent, and prayers have helped to cripple this diabolical genocidal operation). Anyone paying attention to the skies may have noticed a marked upswing in blue-sky days of late, especially in June and July 2009. The chemtrail poisoning agenda won't be fully curtailed until the the military and civilian TRAITORS who are enabling and carrying out these chemtrail spraying operations STOP their murderous involvement and collusion in this most heinous act of betrayal and genocide.

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  18. Janice

    Sean...check these sites out....these are the good guys and they are human too....those ET looking things are the bad UFO's..
    Christine I hope you listen to it too....General Jeremiah is watching over us.....and they believe in God and they know about the shadow government......and the Swine/Avian......they will be trying to intercept for us....

    http://web.mac.com/is/search.html?x=9&y=16&q=May+29th+General+Jeremiah&lang=en&GUID=CA421234-FAA6-4EF3-924B-E54D84C265C0&path=%2Fdonnicoloff%2Fdirectlightproductions.com%2FEvident_Footprints%2FEvident_Footprints.html&static=false

    ttp://web.mac.com/donnicoloff/directlightproductions.com/Evident_Footprints/Entries/2009/5/29_Entry_1_1.html
    Tuesday, July 28, 2009
    EVIDENT FOOTPRINTS with Don Nicoloff / Ken Adachi / Gen. Jeremiah, Hr. 2

    In Hour 2 of Ken Adachi’s informative interview, we are joined by Gen. Jeremiah, who shares some exciting information about the collapse of the “SARS” scare, the bogus “bird/swine flu pandemic,” th...

    http://web.mac.com/donnicoloff/directlightproductions.com/Evident_Footprints/Entries/2009/7/28_Entry_2.html
    Tuesday, July 28, 2009
    EVIDENT FOOTPRINTS with Don Nicoloff / Ken Adachi / Gen. Jeremiah, Hr. 1

    Journalist and metaphysical scientist Ken Adachi shares his views with Don regarding the orchestrated takeover of the U.S.A (described in the Communist Manifesto and other doctrine), the ‘usurper’ ...

    http://web.mac.com/donnicoloff/directlightproductions.com/Evident_Footprints/Entries/2009/7/28_Entry_1.html

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  19. Janice

    Christine.....this scares me even more....cuz they could just put that virus in a Chemtrail.......which they are probably doing anyway, but now they want to make sure we get that vaccine by having us inhale it! God help us! Can you believe that our government has turned into doing such hideous criminal acts against the USA like this! I'm sorry but I think this has to be how they are going to depopulate us.....I mean this is absolutely , the most disgusting, cold and cruel government I have ever seen in my days......
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    CDC: 3.4 million inhalable H1N1 vaccine doses available soon
    Health officials expect more than 3 million doses of H1N1 flu vaccine to be available in the first week of October.
    CNN - Sep 18 2:06 PM

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    1. christine

      The U.S. government (cartel at present) certainly has a plan. Our Federal Government is a Federal Corporation (U.S. code), so it behaves with the corporate mentality and favors corporations (bailouts)...profit, fraud and corruption! The corporation went bust with their scams and lies (wars, 911, social security), not "we the people". The shadow government is to blame. I believe they have been and are going through a corporate restructing plan and they all knew, not a surprise or accident.

      Since all governments have agreed to vaccinate, we have to wonder WHO is forcing them all to comply and by what means do they have such control over the world's governments. This is an indication of the UN and WHO (funded, founded by Rockefellers)kind of control that is so anit-freedom, but where we are headed if our politicians don't get their head out of their arsses and soon. This is the direction the elite want us to go. This flu vaccine is much bigger than the U.S. Obama was the top pharaceutical salesman convincing other governments to vaccinate entire populations. This is worldwide population reduction.

      The contents of vaccines has always been a vehicle to introduce disease to guarantee profits for big pharma. As the number of diseases has grown without cures, so has corporate big pharma (and illegal drug trafficing). With Jenny McCarthy and the like coming out with the connection to autism/vaccine, and info shared on the web, I think this is financially threatening to the elite, threatening their source of revenue through big pharma. They don't want us to be so bright as to choose health!

      Notice in all the discussions over healthcare, they don't even bother to bring on chiropractors, herbalists, massage therapists, nutritionists, health food (organics), energy healers, acupuncturers, meditation, yoga, those who practice more eastern "medicine". Why? We have been brainwashed into thinking that big pharama and western doctors had the answers. People actually get well using eastern medicine. Reduces big pharma's profits. The only ones who give presentations from the "medical" community on the healthcare issue are doctors, hospital reps. One could say, money is making us sick!!

      They start out the debate in the middle, controlling our thoughts from the getgo... private health insurance or government. Like we only have two choices to discuss concerning our health, and these are the only healthcare issues. I DON'T THINK SO! www.livingquests.com

      If the government really cared about our health and well-being, if we had a fuller picture of the REAL healthcare issue (not just about insurance), then people would see this debate for what it really is.

      End to chemtrails in our air. These chemtrails have been sited over other countries as well. If the government really cared about our health, they would not have even allowed it. or are they just in this for the profits made through insurance, yes!

      End floride in our water. It's profitable though because they make us sick and a new business sector started selling us water.

      End their plan for genetically modified foods devoid of proper nutrition. End their plans to control farms and cause more complications for the organic farmer to put them out of business.

      End the scare tactics of manufacturing one crisis after another and blaming it on outside terrorists.

      End the financial stress by overburdoning taxpayers who are loosing jobs, income, homes, freedom, liberties, opportunities to live fully and happily. Stress in the body, mind and soul causes disease. Dis-ease.

      You see, Obama's presentation of care for American's is a fraud and a fake just like he is. And Jay Rockefeller says he loves Obama. Obama allows and favors what makes us sick over what would allow the body to heal itself. This is all an attack on your immune system for profit and population reduction! This is control of your mind....or a test in your ability to control you and your own mind.

      Janice, I watched a group of republicans yesteday on c-span who are banding together to fight what people in America fear the most, the end to America. The healthcare issue is a part of it. They are big on ending the healthcare bills that are currently circulating ...and instead suggesting the brightest idea yet. This is what I have been saying in this forum...either this way or no insurance (just me and the doc). Insurance is a constant aditional and continual healthcare expense. Perhaps if we addressed the other issues listed above, we would not need so many health care services in the first place!!

      The plan they suggested is... You control health insurance just like your car insurance, buy from whomever you want, in whatever state, how much coverage you want, in collective groups that we form ourselves, is not connected to your job. That's freedom! Michele Bachman, Eric Cantor, McConnel to name a few.

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      1. christine

        P.S. I encourage everyone to listen to these videos on Codex. This will ill-affect and take over our food supply, our health and well-being if not stopped. If you feel you and your health are being attacked from all directions, you're not alone.

        End Codex Alimentarius!! It's start date is December 31, 2009.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCB832r9tuk&feature=related

        http://www.livingquests.com
        http://www.livingquests.com/flu_vaccine_crimes.html
        (Air-Food-Water as Weapon tab)

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      2. Janice

        Thanks for expounding on my comments Christine.....your better at doing it than I am...and I agree totally with you. I know you are as a "awake" as I am...I've been studying this now for several years. There are so many now awaking up as "they" escalate the depopulation and their take over of the world.....Yah know that there really aren't that many of them.
        Our numbers are greater as long as we do not die.

        They are all related ....check out the genealogy of our Presidents and Congressman.and if they are not genetically related, then they are related in Philosophy with an Elitest mentality.

        By the way Ron Paul......FYI...:"they" have the money.....all of those in their Elitest Clubs and Brotherhoods......they took it, and continue to confiscate more and more from other countries as well.... so that when all of us .....maybe 90% of us are gone they will have all the money.....it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out......obviously they won't let you audit it ......that would reveal who the Secret Order is ..!

        They want us to revolt,and riot.... so don't....stay calm OR they will shut down the internet,and claim Marital Law.......

        I don't know if anyone realizes this but we could pray those suckers away and pray they fall and fail! Pray they give us back our freedoms and restore our constitution our nation.

        God is waiting for us to call upon HIM to send his warring angels to do battle for us in the Spirit. What I think we should do is have a national prayer day on this Wednesday....as Obama heads up the UN meeting.
        We should all pray for exposure of the truth about the UN and Obama and his cabinet. Just ask God to Reveal the TRUTH.
        We want their leaders exposed and their motives exposed we want their intentions exposed and who is actually dictating to our Presidents in the past 30 yrs.....and all enemies of the truth must GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO from this earth now,in Jesus Name!
        What we need to do is to pray throughout the day and this week:

        Finally, my friends and neighbors, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armour of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
        For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places....
        So Stand with faith and truth in prayer to God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all to stand... Ephesians 6:1 0-18

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        1. christine

          Together we get the message out and the message is spreading! I'm thankful the web is still operating so we have the opportunity to receive/give updates and do our research. Some are producing and preparing CDs to pass out to neighbors. If the web goes down the message can still get out. Flyers work too. Any way we can let people know, however we can afford to do it helps us all. We are here to help each other. On the www.livingquests.com website, I downloaded youtube videos and coverted them to quicktime in case the youtube site goes down. These quicktime videos can be saved to a CD and passed out.

          It's a good time NOT to be an elitist. :) They are on the run. They can't fool all of the people all of the time!

          Life is presious. So is our health. We will rebuild our wealth. Ron Paul's fed bill will help a lot with that!

          I saw Ben Bernanke on TV today. He looks like he's losing weight and his face/sinus area looks swollen. Perhaps all this attention the FED is getting is making HIM sick!

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  20. Herewe Goagain

    WINNIPEG, Manitoba (Reuters) - The Canadian government sent body bags to some remote Indian reserves as it prepared for the winter flu season, sending a jarring message at odds with its promise that it's ready for the H1N1 flu.

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  21. christine

    Does anyone know if Ron Paul is getting ready to introduce a bill that would prevent the mandatory vaccinations? I saw an article on a website that indicated that but without any link to confirm this information.

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    1. Sean

      There is not going to be a mandatory vaccine. The flu season is already here and the one bill thats floating around has no support whatsoever from congress.

      Besides, our schools aren't even as concerned about the swine flu as much as they are the regular flu. They have been passing out flyers to get the regular flu shot but not the swine. It's not a big deal.

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      1. christine

        Oh, it's a big deal Sean.

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        1. sean

          Cancer is a big deal, AIDS is a big deal, the swine is not.
          There are more people who have died in our country this year from a gun shot than the swine.

          Every year, 30 thousand people in America die from gun shot wounds. Not even a thousand people here have died from the swine.

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          1. christine

            You don't know much about vaccine campaigns. How do you think AIDS and Cancer got started, eh?

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          2. christine

            So why the vaccine then, worldwide compliance, every country?

            I'm not suggesting the flu is a big deal. It's the vaccine that will cause a mutation and a pandemic. Left alone, without the vaccine, the flu season would come and go just like every other year. We need this vaccine campaign to end just like the one in 1976!

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          3. sean

            I dunno what makes you think that cancer and aids were man-made. That is an absurd remark.

            Vaccine's are normal, they have been around for a hundred years. Just because we have a world wide vaccine for a world wide virus does not mean that these people are trying to "mutate" us.

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          4. christine

            Straight from the vaccine makers themselves. We have had vaccines for years, we've had diseases for years and increasing, no cures. Correlation, yes indeed! Who wins? The healthcare industry and big pharma. We would be shocked at the amount of money that funds our government through legal and illegal drugs.

            Merck Knew the Vaccines Were Infected with SV40 in the Polio Vaccine, but distributed anyway.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edikv0zbAlU
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnNvr9pkOIA
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcLWH-YQtdA&feature=related

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8NmzfjIkI0&feature=related
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCB832r9tuk&feature=related
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egbVv2x6FqA

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          5. christine

            Sibel Edmonds and the Heroin Connection

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQkx1246_d8&feature=related
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZIji9d2rrI&feature=related
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMy3xylXS9k&feature=related
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ezn4Nl9iUBA&feature=related
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2JmlgFKl0I&feature=related
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUdT1UIDN80&feature=related
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoFccUW7oqI&feature=related

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          6. sean

            I think aliens brought the viruses.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVRWBW2QAq8&feature=PlayList&p=74916FBF91D366FC&index=0&playnext=1

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          7. sean

            UFO's, Aliens, Parasites and Viruses

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KjbkRSrtxc

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          8. sean

            Aliens are using viruses to speed up human evolution.

            Alien Genetics in Human Evolution.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJYe3PDNl24&feature=player_embedded

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          9. christine

            ...from the guy who knows nothing about everything.

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  22. Janice

    Eugenics: The Secret Agenda

    In short, eugenics is the applied science of Darwinism (social darwinisim).The Malthusian catastrophe where the lower class all die and the well-to-do survive, became the inspiration for eugenics. The modern eugenics movement started in the United states in the late 1800’s and continues under different names today. The original eugenics movement eventually was promoted in Germany, and Hitler was so inspired by the Americans he created his own genocide based on the laws of eugenics. This would have been the ultimate goal of the eugenicists, but they failed. The eugenics operations in the us changed their names. Today they are called ‘population control, or planned parenthood, or one child policy. and screening for unborn children has begun to determine their genetic standing. Billions of dollars are being poured into the population control agenda today. The old money of the Rockefeller blending with the new money of Gates, Buffet and others.

    From Darwin we have the evolution of eugenics and Social Darwinism. He was an admirer of the Malthusian model, where the poor and weak would die off in a mass food crises. A sort of survival of the fittest. Thomas Henry (T.H.) Huxley pushed Darwin’s theories into the mainstream. Darwin’s (half) cousin Francis Galton, is considered the “Father of Eugenics”. They believed in his theory so far as to conduct the 4 families experiment, in which they vowed to only breed with each other, in order to create a breed of supermen. Though within 2 generations close to 90% of their offspring either died at birth or were mentally or physically disabled.
    Royal families practice inbreeding in the hopes they would retain what ever traits they felt made them superior to the masses.
    Darwin-Huxley-Garlton-Wedgewood ’s scientific inbreeding experiment proves what the rest of us know now about the practice. Notice the family tree in the picture, starts at the top.. and gets smaller on the way down. The *opposite* of what a family tree is supposed to do.
    for more news:
    http://www.infobomber.org/2008/11/08/eugenics-the-secret-agenda/

    just take at peek at this....http://ecosyn.us/Bush-Hitler/Bush_Eugenics.html

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  23. Janice

    Eighteen Reasons Why You Should NOT Vaccinate Your Children Against The Flu This Season
    by Bill Sardi
    This year it is more important that you protect your children and loved ones from the flu vaccines than influenza itself. Here are the reasons:
    for more reading....http://israeltruthtimes.blogspot.com/search/label/%22UN%20with%20teeth%22

    BIRD FLU, SWINE FLU, vaccinations, WHO

    JUST SAY NO! H1N1 VACCINE W.H.O. GENOCIDE PLAN: YOU HAVE TO WATCH THIS; excellent complement to, and clarification of my article " Bird's Eye View on H1N1..."
    http://israeltruthtimes.blogspot.com/search/label/%22UN%20with%20teeth%22

    H1N1 Swine Flu and Vitamin D

    Dr. Cannell receives crucial emails from two physicians who have evidence vitamin D is protective against H1N1 Swine Flu.

    Read the emails in our September 2009 "Special Report" edition of our Vitamin D Newsletter: Vitamin D and H1N1 Swine Flu.

    Learn about the profound effects vitamin D has on the immune system and why it could potentially be a potent ally this coming swine flu season!

    Read the May 2009 H1N1 Flu and Vitamin D edition of our Vitamin D Newsletter
    Watch this video of an interview with Vitamin D Council Executive Director Dr. John Cannell, where he explains vitamin D's effect on innate and adaptive immunity and what that means in relation to preventing viral infections, such as the flu or the common cold.
    http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/

    3 Video you might be interested is seeing...they are all three at the site.....http://israeltruthtimes.blogspot.com/search/label/%22UN%20with%20teeth%22
    You will find a wealth of information there.BIRD'S EYE VIEW ON H1N1: AN ATTEMPT AT COMPREHENSIVE UNDERSTANDING OF THE ENGINEERED PANDEMIC OF 2009, is very urgent and timely, and I am afraid that a lot of crucial information, for reasons that you will understand as you keep on reading, has not been shared with you.

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  24. longshotlouie

    Eighteen Reasons Why You Should NOT Risk Your Children's Safety With Swine Flu Jab
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi119.html

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  25. Janice

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Lamm
    In 1984, his outspoken statements in support of physician-assisted suicide generated some controversy, specifically over his use of the phrase "we have a duty to die." Lamm later explained that he "was essentially raising a general statement about the human condition, not beating up on the elderly," and that the exact phrasing in the speech was "We've got a duty to die and get out of the way with all of our machines and artificial hearts and everything else like that and let the other society, our kids, build a reasonable life." [8] His dire predictions for the future of social security and health care ("duty to die") earned him the nickname "Governor Gloom".
    Lamm was elected Colorado governor three times. When he left office in 1987 after three terms and twelve years in the office, he was the longest-serving governor in state history.
    A voluminous writer, Lamm's other works include Population and the Law (1972), Some Reflections on the Balkanization of America (1978), Megatraumas: America at the Year 2000 (1980),[11] Energy Activities in the West (1980), The Angry West: A Vulnerable Land and Its Future (1982), Campaign for Quality: An Education Agenda for the 80's (1983), Pioneers and Politicians: Ten Colorado Governors in Profile (1984), Copernican Politics (1984), The American West: A poem (1985), Immigration Time Bomb: The Fragmenting of America (1985), The Lamm Administration: A Retrospective (1986), California Conspiracy (1988), Hard Choices (1989), Crisis: The Uncompetitive Society (1989), The fall and Rise of the American Economy (1989), Indicators of Decline: An article from The Futurist (1993), The Supply Factor in Health Care Cost Containment (1993), The Ethics of Excess: An article from The Hastings Center Report (1994), Health Care Workforce Reform.: An article from State Legislatures (1994), The West at Risk (1994), Futurizing America's Institutions.: An article from The Futurist (1996), The price of Modern Medicine (1997), Mountains of Colorado (1999), Government does, indeed, ration health care: An article from State Legislatures (1999), Redrawing the Ethics Map.: An article from The Hastings Center Report (1999), Vision for a Compassionate and Affordable Health System (2001), Brave New World of Health Care (2003), The Brave New World of Health Care (2004), The Challenge of an Aging Society: The Future of U.S. Health Care (2005), Two Wands, One Nation: An Essay on Race and Community in America (2006) and Condition Critical: A New Moral Vision of Health Care (2007).
    Dick Lamm currently sits on the board of directors for the Energy Literacy Advocates.

    American Suicide - A Warning By
    Former CO Gov Dick Lamm
    9-14-9

    Wherever you stand, please take the time to read this; it ought to scare the beejeebers out of you.

    We know Dick Lamm as the former Governor of Colorado. In that context, his thoughts are particularly poignant.

    Last week, there was an immigration overpopulation conference in Washington, DC, filled to capacity by many of America's finest minds and leaders. A brilliant college professor by the name of Victor Hansen Davis talked about his latest book, 'Mexifornia,' explaining how immigration - both legal and illegal was destroying the entire state of California. He said it would march across the country until it destroyed all vestiges of The American Dream.

    Moments after that, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood up and gave a stunning speech on how to destroy America

    The audience sat spellbound as he described eight methods for the destruction of the United States...

    He said, "If you believe that America is too smug, too self-satisfied, too rich, then let's destroy America. It is not that hard to do. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time. Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and that 'An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide.''

    "Here is how they do it," Lamm said...

    "First, to destroy America, turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bicultural country. History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual.

    The historical scholar, Seymour Lipset, put it this way: 'The histories of bilingual and bicultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy.'
    Canada , Belgium , Malaysia , and Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy , if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, Corsicans and now Muslims."

    Lamm went on:

    "Second, to destroy America, invent 'multiculturalism' and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. Make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal; that there are 'no' cultural differences. Make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due solely to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds."

    "Third, we could make the United States an 'Hispanic Quebec ' without much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: 'The apparent success of our own multi-ethnic and multicultural experiment might have been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentricy and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together.' Lamm said, 'I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural subgroups living in America enforcing their differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities.'"

    "Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school." (mission accomplished. -ed)

    "My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money.

    I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology'. I would get all minorities to think that their lack of success was/is the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority platform."

    "My sixth step for America's downfall would include dual citizenship, and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they are not killing each other. A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical precept. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation together.

    Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and literature; and they worshipped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic games.. A common enemy, Persia , threatened their liberty. Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to overcome two factors: local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions. Greece fell. 'E. Pluribus Unum' -- >From many, one.. In that historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus' instead of the 'Unum,' we will 'Balkanize America as surely as Kosovo."

    "Next to last, I would place all subjects off-limits (for discussion). Make it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'xenophobe' halt discussion and debate.
    Having made America a bilingual/bicultural country, having established multi-culturalism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of 'Victimology,' I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has been good for America, it must always be good. I would make every individual immigrant symmetric and ignore the cumulative impact of millions of them."

    In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow. Profound silence followed. Finally, he said, "Lastly, I would censor Victor Hanson Davis's book 'Mexifornia.' His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to destroy America. If you feel America deserves to be destroyed, don't read that book."

    There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous cloud above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically, quietly, darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today.

    Discussion is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness. Even barbaric cultures that practice female genital mutilation are growing as we celebrate 'diversity.' American jobs are vanishing into the Third World as corporations create a Third World in America Take note of California and other states. To date, ten million illegal aliens and growing fast. It is reminiscent of George Orwell's book '1984..' In that story, three slogans are engraved in the Ministry of Truth building: 'War is peace,' 'Freedom is slavery,' and 'Ignorance is strength.'

    Governor Lamm walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy is deeply in trouble and worsening fast. If we don't get this immigration monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California wildfire and destroy everything in its path, especially The American Dream.

    If you care for and love our country as I do, take the time to pass this on just as I did for you.

    NOTHING is going to happen if you don't.

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  26. Janice

    End the Fed....
    End Disease Care as we know it with drugs.
    End Fluoride in drinking water and all use of Fluoride in drugs.
    Ban Cipro,Prozac,Toothpaste with Fluoride,Levequin and all the Floxins......WE are being poisoned to death with Fluoride people!

    It is unconstitutional to give illegals medical benefits, Social Security and Free Emergency Care.
    It is unconstitutional for the Federal Government to demand all of our private banking, medical and IRS records to be housed in a Data Base where all privacy is lost to us citizens of the USA or in the hands of a Big Brother type USA Government.....

    If you want to stop duplication of medical procedures amongst doctors then don't pay them for the service.
    WE are tossed from one specialist to another,waiting weeks for an appointment from the specialist to care for an acute condition!
    While waiting, we are given Fluoride at toxic levels to kill bacteria.
    These doctors all want a piece of the money pie, while our treatment gets put on hold.....We are Canada! right now waiting for these specialist's, who overcharge and family physician under treats, under tests and overdoses us on Fluroide...........
    Which they call an antibiotic!

    The medicines prescribed now days are total poisons......if you knew what they are doing in every cell of your body .......you would not want anything to do with them.
    Believe me they are worse than any cigarette smoke you could ever inhale.....and have now nearly totally banned.
    All they want us to do is to make sure we pay big bucks for drugs and big bucks for cigarette's to keep the drug companies afloat..

    This health care bill will take away many more of our constitutional rights and is probably a bail out for the medical field to assure their salaries....and a bail out for Afghanistan war to assure our government the confiscation of the poppie fields, just the like the oil fields in Iraq....government wants resources for making more money......they dont' care really about us.
    FDA quit caring and regulating and testing drugs....they leave it up to the toxic inventors and manufacturers of them to claim their uses, they never claim their safety....they tell you how toxic they are when they advertise them on TV don't they?

    Well, now with this Swine Flu Vaccine America has finally woke up to the ingredients of that toxic soup.....they want to inject you with.....now you know what they have been giving your kids and the military for 30 years....and you still believe that is the only way to treat your ailments.....with drugs?

    Its all about the money and if you can't figure that out then you all have had too many vaccines in your life!

    End the Federal Government's control over our lives!
    We are citizens of a state Republic .....let the Fed regulate according to the Constitution....they take an oath to do so and if they don't then they need to be voted out......

    The Capital of our country is not even in a state..Washington D.C. is not even a state! What's the capital of London? What's the capital of Holland? What's the capital of Spain? Japan? Russia? China? Brazil? Their capitals are within the country, ours is not even a part of us...!

    Well,wouldn't you be surprised if all Washington D.C has jurisdiction over is Washington D.C.'s manufacturing, taxes and commerce! LOL!

    Let's get our State to televise their meetings ..I"m tired of watching Washington....every time I call one of the senators or representatives, they say oh that is state not federal....so let's pester our state governors to bring in the jobs, the health care,lower our credit card interest rates, take the fluoride out of my city water and stop unconstitutionally mass medicating our cities and towns.....give GM workers back their retirements that GM stole from their employees...sell the plants they closed to Japan or Korea or India to build their cars over here then....
    GM goes overseas....let a country do fair trade...they can bring their cars over here we will build them.

    We have educated enough foreigners over here....so lets educate our kids now......free college for those who want to believe in this America...
    American families first
    American kids first
    American woman first
    American men first
    We want to be at the front of the line ...over the next 20 years.
    Or are you going to still allow the illegal immigrants first dibbs on the unemployment,social security,healthcare,mortgages,new cars, and what about the refugees that you are going to give them...$2400 a month if they come over here from Iraq,Afganistan,Syria,Croatia..yah our lovely Federal government is going to give them more while our young kids wait til there 72 years old before they can collect Social Secuity.....of course if they only make minimum wages til their 72 yrs old or none if there aren't any jobs to contribute into it..they will get less than seniors do now.....
    OH but government loves to give free everything to the illegals...they won't close our borders or check peoples ID.....like other countries have done or would have done it there was a terrorist threat......how many millions of social security numbers were lost or stolen during Bush's regime?????
    Now we got ACORN going Squirrely.....
    A bunch of yoyo's, gangsters,corrupt nation we are .

    Can they ever do anything morally right in this country?
    Are they all liars? That representative who called out Obama in that meeting was talking about the issue....that is in the bill....that does not state that we will not give illegals free healthcare....we will if they don't verify them. He has right to speak out and not apologize.....congress has not told the entire truth about that bill and the illegals.....I don't think it was the appropriate time to do it..but had he done it in private.....I think he may have been found dead somewhere. This way.....no one dare touch him,or we will know who did it.

    The President should have addressed the issue that we will not give illegals free healthcare by making them verify their citizenship at the Family Service Department.....and if they are not citizens...then sorry they will have to go home.......its a long walk too.
    Not to say,that, if it is a life threatening illness or accident our ER's would treat them...we are a compassionate people. But they, then and there, will have to say they are illegals and once they are well and able...the police will have to deport them......So, they get emergency care but they have to admit that they are illegals and the doctors and hospitals will have to tap into the money barrel...which is our of our pockets...Now we can't afford too many free trips to the ER for these illegals....so they will have to start eating some of those vegetables that they so willingly pick....and of course they will go back to the fields and poop on the strawberries in their anger towards us and million or so US citizens will get E-coli....and those will have to be treated for free also...
    and the beat goes on..........round and round we go where we stop nobody knows......

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  27. Jan

    Source Watch a Project of the Center of Media and Democracy

    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Mad_cow_disease
    Mad cow disease
    Feeding waste products to farm animals

    The U.S. Food and Drug Administration finally banned the practice of feeding cow meat and bone meal back to cows in 1997 (after the Mad cow disease epidemic in Great Britain). However, dried poultry waste and sewage sludge are routinely fed to cattle. Pigs and chickens are still routinely fed the bones, brains, meat scraps, feathers, and feces of their own species. Furthermore, tens of millions of shelter animals are also picked up by rendering plants. Thus commercial meat, dairy, and egg products often come from animals whose diet included the ground up remains of cats and dogs, including the euthanasia drugs injected into their bodies. [1] 40 billion pounds a year of slaughterhouse wastes (blood, bone, viscera) and euthanized cats and dogs from veterinarians and animal shelters, are rendered annually into livestock feed. [2] Moreover, the Food and Drug Administration has been using inaccurate, incomplete, and unreliable data to track and oversee feed ban compliance.[3], [4] See also Meat & Dairy industry, section 4.

    "And our government ignores this part of Healthcare....."

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  28. christine

    The message is pretty clear. Most people all around the world do not want to be controlled by a small group of insane, obsessive and controlling personality types.

    We are individuals born with the freedom to choose and to live.

    If you stand back and look at the world from a distance, and think of the cause of so much turmoil and destruction, the finger points at all governments (shadow governments included), allthese secret meeting and insane laws, created the lawyers who are by nature controlling, lieing, cheating, overpaid...nothing to do with justice kind of people.

    Humanity round the world is sick from this type of "leadership". It's no leadership at all. It fails to represent the lives of the "most".

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  29. christine

    Belgians demand answers over the "swine flu" graves: Irish revolt against the EU's Lisbon Treaty gathers pace

    http://www.theflucase.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=492%3Abelgiums-demand-answers-from-their-government-over-the-qswine-fluq-vaccine-and-mass-graves-revolt-against-the-eu-gathers-pace-as-polls-show-irish-will-not-vote-for-lisbon-treaty-&catid=41%3Ahighlighted-news&Itemid=105&lang=en

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  30. christine

    No Child Left Unimmunized Against Influenza Act of 2009
    H.R. 2596

    A bill to authorize the use of schools as vaccination centers for a mass vaccination programme is moving through Congresss.

    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-2596

    The H.R. 2596: No Child Left Unimmunized Against Influenza Act of 2009 paves the way for an infrastructure for the mass vaccination of children with the swine flu jab at school.

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  31. Jan

    Dear Ron Paul

    When are you going to introduce a bill for the people, to stop the insane NWO members from trying to control the masses. One by taking over our economy, our health, by mandating a flu vaccine that is only basicly to get us to comply with a Federal Dictatorship, and to control the masses.
    The members that are now in congress who are members of these NWO and CFR agendas, need to be ousted out of our federal government, an charged with tyranny……..

    Please begin to protect us from their take over….thank-you

    See what a NWO member is up now…

    Details of a revamped version of the Cybersecurity Act of 2009 emerged late Thursday, months after an initial version authored by Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.V., was blasted in Silicon Valley as dangerous government intrusion.

    Senate Bill Would Give President Emergency Control of Internet
    Details of a revamped version of the Cybersecurity Act of 2009 show the Senate bill could give the president a “kill switch” on the Internet and allow him to shut out private networks from online access.
    Senate Bill Would Give President Emergency Control of Internet
    Details of a revamped version of the Cybersecurity Act of 2009 show the Senate bill could give the president a “kill switch” on the Internet and allow him to shut out private networks from online access.

    Senate Bill Would Give President Emergency Control of InternetDetails of a revamped version of the Cybersecurity Act of 2009 show the Senate bill could give the president a “kill switch” on the Internet and allow him to shut out private networks from online access.

    for more………http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/28/senate-president-emergency-control-internet/?test=latestnews

    P.S If you live in a USA state where you know that your Senator or Representative is a member of the CFR ,NWO, Skull & Crossbones, Illuminati, will you please vote those assholes out in the next election and save our nation from this Tyranny?

    more.....New World Order architect, Zbigniew Brzezinski, says it is
    easier to kill a million people than to control a million people. Many are alarmed at that statement but for the wrong reason.

    Analysis by G. Edward Griffin, 2009 August 29
    http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/realityzone/UFNbrzezinskicontrolkill.html

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  32. Jan

    Whistleblower gets windfall from Pfizer
    John Kopchinski, who exposed problems with Pfizer's painkiller Bextra, will get $51.5 million from the settlement -- after losing his job.
    Posted by Charley Blaine on Thursday, September 3, 2009 1:30 PM

    Taking on corporate giants can feel like tilting at windmills, but John Kopchinski's six-year legal battle against Pfizer (PFE) just made him a rich man.

    http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/Dispatch/market-dispatches.aspx?post=1250262&_blg=1,1250262

    "Think of what will happen when Worldwide Citizens sue Baxter for their deadly Avian/Swine Flu Vaccine! " Last night the CDC admitted that some pregnant women, who get the vaccine, may get Guillin-Baree, but then he said, it may or not have been from the vaccine. HUH!" Well, anyone who gets paralyzed did not get that way from no reason at all.....! They did in 1976 for that is for sure!

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    1. christine

      From my understanding, Pres. O signed a release in favor of the vaccine manufactures, releasing them from the possibility of lawsuits should anything they produce cause harm to the public, basically signing our rights away.

      These drug manufacturing companies went through this in 1976 and were sued and had to make payouts, so this time they closed the possibility.

      Do you have info otherwise?

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      1. Jan

        Where is Ron Paul on this issue?
        Why isn't he bringing bills into the Senate to offset these unconstitutional,unethical,unprofessional,NAZI type agenda on behalf of our Healthcare System?

        This bill absolutely goes against the Hippocratic Oath these doctors take and there has never been a rule or law in the our history, that has denied liability on behalf of the citizens.

        It totally, is OKing the "Kool-Aid", the "Gas Chambers", and like those that the dictator, Jim Jones, and Hitler/Stalin did to masses of people!
        Like this Flu Vaccine will do....it is the most EVIL ATTACK OUR HUMAN RACE WE WILL EVER ENCOUNTER.....AND THERE PROBABLY WON'T BE MANY "LEFT BEHIND" TO TAKE THEM TO COURT !

        You all thought it was crazy when we tried to tell you they had millions of plastic caskets, and double decker passenger trains lined up, setting on the railroad tracks...train tracks leading to the FEMA camps or National Guard camps, in your state.

        Now maybe you will believe and put 2 and 2 together..they have been planning this for a long time...and preparing for it....

        We will be herded into these trains, by the "domestic army", that Obama spoke of a week ago...., we will be placed in a FEMA camp and quarantined there, and starved to death....unless you go along with them and their evil selves and take the Mark of the Beast ...".the chip"....for which you will not be able to" buy or sell" unless you take it...

        First went our money into the Feds hands and now your hand will either take the "chip", which is their way of distributing, and controlling the wealth, e.g.the confiscated money,or you will die.

        The first step is this mandated Flu Vaccine to scare us, to "jab" us and distribute the flu for them....to create a pandemic.
        They let us get used to the illegal immigration, took our primary language away from us,sent our jobs overseas , increased our gasoline taxes, our income taxes, our Medicare cost, our medicines,jacked the price of cars up to as much as we paid for house in the 70's, devalued our homes and property, literally, put us on the streets.

        Got us down to living a lowlife and now want us to accept our death....but before we do, to accept the way, or make the way, for as many as possible to spread the flu over the next five years so they can live in a world all by themselves .......
        Mind control, brainwashing, insane leaders !
        So, we will see how long and how many will allow this government to dictate to them ......

        We do not have a choice.....we either drink the Kool Aid and die that way or be rounded up and taken to a concentration camp and let them starve us to death...which is it?

        Personally, I will be dying, the way my Lord taught me to do...refuse the Mark of the Beast and live in Heaven forever.

        This may be what causes the healthcare system to go broke...oh they will make oodles on it....but without many people left after we all died from their "jab"...the healthcare business will have no one to treat!

        Sounds really paranoid doesn't it? I don't really care how paranoid it sounds...their actions will either prove it or it won't.....each day I hear them say one more step,one more increment to their big picture. If you know the big picture, you can see what they are doing with each announcement.

        I myself am not afraid...I will not protest them, or fight them....but I will speak out until they take total control of the internet.....and I am sure they want the option to do so ....so when the "shit hits fan" worldwide, we cannot communicate with each other or comfort one another........

        Just know I'll be here praying and interceding....

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  33. Jan

    Approaching Epidemic: Brain Damage from Mobile Phone Radiation
    Posted by: Dr. Mercola
    September 03 2009 10,066

    Lloyd Morgan, lead author and member of the Bioelectromagnetics Society says,

    “Exposure to cell phone radiation is the largest human health experiment ever undertaken, without informed consent, and has some 4 billion participants enrolled.

    Science has shown increased risk of brain tumors from use of cell phones, as well as increased risk of eye cancer, salivary gland tumors, testicular cancer, non-Hodgkin's lymphoma and leukemia.

    The public must be informed.”

    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/09/03/Brain-Damage-From-Mobile-Phone-Radiation.aspx

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  34. Jan

    WHO Admits to Releasing Pandemic Virus into Population via 'Mock-Up' Vaccines
    Posted by: Dr. Mercola
    September 03 2009 4,160
    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/09/03/WHO-Admits-to-Releasing-Pandemic-Virus-into-Population-via-MockUp-Vaccines.aspx

    Safety of pandemic vaccines
    Pandemic (H1N1) 2009 briefing note 6

    6 AUGUST 2009 | GENEVA -- WHO is aware of some media reports that have expressed concern about the safety of vaccines for pandemic influenza. The public needs to be reassured that regulatory procedures in place for the licensing of pandemic vaccines, including procedures for expediting regulatory approval, are rigorous and do not compromise safety or quality controls.

    http://www.who.int/csr/disease/swineflu/notes/h1n1_safety_vaccines_20090805/en/index.html

    Do Drug Companies Secretly Favor a World Flu Pandemic?

    Swine Flu Vaccine Makers to Profit $50 Billion a Year!!

    Swine Flu is NOT the Problem -- It is the Vaccine that May Harm or Kill You

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  35. murby

    Has anyone in this thread read the book "The Fourth Turning" by William Strauss and Neil Howe? http://www.fourthturning.com/

    I found it quite illuminating in describing the current socio/economic/political atmosphere. Highly recommend.

    Also, I'm curious - what is our thread-group's average age? The concept of situational ethics ("desert island with three other people...") is an interesting discussion. To ask a person who belonged to the G.I. generation (WW2 vet), they would probably embrace a sacrificial attitude (for the good of the many, we went to war, we sacrificed for our community, etc.). To ask the same question of a Baby Boomer, the response of embracing individualism and individual resourcefulness (the achievement of one can benefit many) might be a unifying thought. However, for me, I come from the notorious Gen X. Sadly, we are survivalist and pretty much have a "we're gonna get screwed no matter what, so better take care of me" mind frame. (This generation also grew up the most materialistic (witnessed that money/achievement was what earned you respect) - if in doubt, just rent "The Enron Story: The Smartest Men in the Room" and listen to the young day traders laughing at how they could manipulate (aka destroy) California's energy grid.)

    What frightens me is that in situational ethics, innovation never wins because the spark of genius cannot be fathomed from a distance. So to digress in a healthcare discussion using situational ethics as the basis devalues the innovation of people and often removes any moral absolutes. (For example, with the removal of the "10 Commandments" from public schools, an entire generation of current decision makers have not been taught the concept of moral absolutes.)

    Let's please stick with the facts presented and provide innovative solutions (or at least suggestions). Keep pressure on Congress to not settle for status quo. Avoid being caught up in dead-end political debates. With all the anti-gov't rhetoric these days, I worry that any public uprising will resemble the anarchy of the French Revolution. How ironic that the concern over healthcare should devolve into dehumanizing entire groups of people (the poor, the elderly, the infirmed).

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