Health Care

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In these United States of America, many people cannot afford even basic health insurance. They suffer severely under the present system and have to live under the constant fear of not knowing what they will do if they or their loved ones ever fall seriously ill.

But in many cases, insured individuals aren’t much better off either. In comparison to the exorbitant insurance premiums they pay, the medical care they receive is often very poor.

Additionally, due to the government-enforced monopolies of HMOs (Health Maintenance Organizations) and pharmaceutical companies, many patients will never even hear about some of the most effective and non-invasive treatment methods. These natural and inexpensive ways of regaining one’s health are being suppressed by the FDA and the medical establishment not because of safety concerns (they’ve been around for hundreds of years), but because they cannot be patented and would therefore cut into the pharmaceutical industry’s profits.

The current system is most definitely broken, and it must eventually be abolished if we want to regain both our health and our freedom.

But Obamacare is the worst possible answer. All it does is perpetuate a flawed system by forcing everyone to become a client of insurance companies, even those who don’t want to or need to participate.

Why should anyone be forced to subsidize the medical care of others? Very few individuals would personally assault their neighbors at gunpoint and steal thousands of dollars to pay for their own medical needs. How could any freedom loving person agree to delegate such criminal acts to the government by supporting a compulsory health insurance system?

There is only one solution that will lead to true health and true freedom: making health care more affordable. Ron Paul believes that only true free market competition will put pressure on the providers and force them to lower their costs to remain in business. Additionally, Ron Paul wants to change the tax code to allow individual Americans to fully deduct all health care costs from their taxes.

Through these measures and the elimination of government-sponsored health care monopolies a much larger number of people will be able to finally access affordable health care, either by paying for medical insurance or by covering their medical expenses, which are now much lower, out of their own pocket.

As for the poor and the severely ill who can neither obtain insurance nor pay for the medical care they need, Ron Paul offers the following solution in his bookThe Revolution: A Manifesto“:

In the days before Medicare and Medicaid, the poor and elderly were admitted to hospitals at the same rate they are now, and received good care. Before those programs came into existence, every physician understood that he or she had a responsibility towards the less fortunate and free medical care was the norm. Hardly anyone is aware of this today, since it doesn’t fit into the typical, by the script story of government rescuing us from a predatory private sector.

Illegal aliens already receive de-facto free health care. Why can’t poor Americans have the same… not as a right, but as a charitable benefit provided by doctors who feel a personal responsibility for their fellow citizens?

Unfortunately, the current medical monopoly corrupts many doctors by rewarding practices that are not in the patients’ best interest. Pharmaceutical companies have a vested interest in not curing people, but getting them permanently addicted to expensive drugs that have many side effects, thereby requiring additional drugs to suppress those side effects. Many doctors are afraid to speak up and question the system for fear of being ostracized by their peers or even losing their license.

Under a liberated health care system prices would come down and additional options would become available, thereby making health care much more affordable. Moral corruption would give way to true compassion, and many doctors would remember their implicit obligation to provide free medical care to those in need, just like they did in the past.

As a medical doctor, Ron Paul swore the Hippocratic Oath many decades ago. His entire person and career is a monument to the beauty and sanctity of human life. Ron Paul knows that life without health can be very difficult and is not what it was meant to be. He has personally cared for the poor for many years, without asking anything in return.

The government’s original role is to protect our freedoms and restrain itself from causing too much harm. Ron Paul is working to prevent greedy bureaucrats, opportunist politicians and corrupt pharmaceutical companies from having any sort of unhealthy influence over our bodies and minds.

Join the Ron Paul Revolution and help us put the federal government back where it belongs: to Washington DC and out of our daily lives.

Transcript:

Government has been mismanaging medical care for more than 45 years; for every problem it has created it has responded by exponentially expanding the role of government.

Points to consider:

  1. No one has a right to medical care. If one assumes such a right, it endorses the notion that some individuals have a right to someone else’s life and property. This totally contradicts the principles of liberty.
  2. If medical care is provided by government, this can only be achieved by an authoritarian government unconcerned about the rights of the individual.
  3. Economic fallacies accepted for more than 100 years in the United States has deceived policy makers into believing that quality medical care can only be achieved by government force, taxation, regulations, and bowing to a system of special interests that creates a system of corporatism.
  4. More dollars into any monopoly run by government never increases quality but it always results in higher costs and prices.
  5. Government does have an important role to play in facilitating the delivery of all goods and services in an ethical and efficient manner.
  6. First, government should do no harm. It should get out of the way and repeal all the laws that have contributed to the mess we have.
  7. The costs are obviously too high but in solving this problem one cannot ignore the debasement of the currency as a major factor.
  8. Bureaucrats and other third parties must never be allowed to interfere in the doctor/patient relationship.
  9. The tax code, including the ERISA laws, must be changed to give everyone equal treatment by allowing a 100% tax credit for all medical expenses.
    Laws dealing with bad outcomes and prohibiting doctors from entering into voluntary agreements with their patients must be repealed. Tort laws play a significant role in pushing costs higher, prompting unnecessary treatment and excessive testing. Patients deserve the compensation; the attorneys do not.
  10. Insurance sales should be legalized nationally across state lines to increase competition among the insurance companies.
  11. Long-term insurance policies should be available to young people similar to term-life insurances that offer fixed prices for long periods of time.
  12. The principle of insurance should be remembered. Its purpose in a free market is to measure risk, not to be used synonymously with social welfare programs. Any program that provides for first-dollar payment is no longer insurance. This would be similar to giving coverage for gasoline and repair bills to those who buy car insurance or providing food insurance for people to go to the grocery store. Obviously, that could not work.
  13. The cozy relationship between organized medicine and government must be reversed.
    Early on medical insurance was promoted by the medical community in order to boost re-imbursements to doctors and hospitals. That partnership has morphed into the government/insurance industry still being promoted by the current administration.
  14. Threatening individuals with huge fines by forcing them to buy insurance is a boon to the insurance companies.
  15. There must be more competition for individuals entering into the medical field. Licensing strictly limits the number of individuals who can provide patient care. A lot of problems were created in 20th century as a consequence the Flexner Report (1910), which was financed by the Carnegie Foundation and strongly supported by the AMA. Many medical schools were closed and the number of doctors was drastically reduced. The motivation was to close down medical schools that catered to women, minorities and especially homeopathy. We continue to suffer from these changes which were designed to protect physician’s income and promote allopathic medicine over the more natural cures and prevention of homeopathic medicine.
  16. We must remove any obstacles for people seeking holistic and nutritional alternatives to current medical care. We must remove the threat of further regulations pushed by the drug companies now working worldwide to limit these alternatives.

True competition in the delivery of medical care is what is needed, not more government meddling.


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2,965 responses to “Health Care”

  1. Krissy Strachan

    After watching my father in law die, fighting his insurance all the way, I find it disgusting to profit on death, pain and misery. Healthcare should be non-profit. Doctors can not work for free. I work as a medical assistant and the doctors I worked for were owned by a corporation. They could not decide to do thing for free or they could get fired. What about me? Do I work for free too? The lab techs? The nurses? So altruistic but unrealistic. If we have Medicare and Medical why can’t the rest of Americans pay into a system as well for coverage? Even with private insurance people can not choose their own doctor or even get the medication the doctor prescribed due to insurance plans. I had to deny patient services because they are not covered by their plans, unless the patient wants to pay cash. Stop making money off human suffering.

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  2. Henry

    Unfortunately the proposal on this page just doesn’t give enough details. Mr. Paul keeps saying that competition will drive prices down, by how much per year for an average individual?

    My understanding is that I would have to pay anywhere between $2k to $5k per year for individual coverage with fairly high deductible. And my fate is dependent upon whether the insurance company will “approve” of my medical needs. For serious illnesses, I’m sure insurance companies will eventually stop paying. So ultimately I would have to go bankrupt.

    So when Ron Paul says get rid of government-sponsored health care and let private companies handle everything. How much exactly will I save? Tax credit on the expenses is great, but what if I can’t pay for the $200,000 procedure to begin with and insurance won’t cover it? What if I have these “pre-existing” condition or am considered high risk for them?

    I think it’s really dubious to leave everything to companies whose only concern are stockholders because investors will punish them for losing pricing power so they’ll do everything they can to retain high prices across the industry. It’s even more idealistic and simplistic to think that some charity will help you. Yes they might give you a free medical check up or clean your teeth, but do you really think that they’re going to give your a triple bypass??

    Please more details and statistics on exactly how this could work.

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    1. WE THE PEOPLE

      The problem is that if “we leave health care to the private companies” we are probably talking about health insurance companies and they are motivated by profit and profit only. No compassion involved. That’s where the real “death panels” that Palin was shreeking about are located. Those panels that deny coverage for expensive procedures that would cut into their profit margin.
      As long as American health care is “for profit” it will be good only for those with a lot of money or expensive plans. Anotherwords, it’s not that good.
      And just how many doctors work for free with needy patients?
      It would be very interesting to see numbers on doctors or foundations that actually do charity work for the needy that are uninsured.

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  3. David Devore

    Having lived in England for 4 years I am totally in support of socialized health care for many reasons that are never even discussed.

    In America it is true that Mediare’s fear of malpractice claims increases the paperwork and limited compernsation drives non-governmental costs higher.

    Health insurance is exhorbitant for a some things. One big one is that when the patient is in pain he doesn’t care how much treatment costs. Plus the costs of sales and administration results in only 50 cents out of every private policy dollar actualy goes to cover care. There was a book published last year on health policies around the world that determined the French system to be the best, and for the author’s ailment the treament in India was the cheapest and most effective.

    However, I recognize the Constitution does not specify health issues as a valid government concern. Perhaps it is time for an enabling amendment to be considered as there is almost unanimous disagreements in these comments with the donation plan

    Ron Paul for Presdient!!!

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    1. Joe

      I also lived in England for 4 years and don’t share the same attitude on socialized health care. I couldn’t choose my GP, it was dependant upon where I lived. Generally, the doctors were in such a hurry they really wouldn’t pay attention to my needs and questions. My wife, as we came to learn when we moved back to America had a hyperthyroid condition after having our first child. She had all of the symptoms and went to the gp for months complaining about her symptoms. They were text book symptoms even. They never tested her blood, not once. They told her to drink red bull to help with her tiredness. Great care. I do admit that having our child there was about as cheap as it gets, like free. But I never noticed that it was free because my paycheck was taxed so much that we were poor anyhow.

      Our system is broken. I can’t say I know how to fix it. I don’t think that free or socialized is the answer. I do believe compassion is. We are currently without health insurance. Fortunately in our town, there is a real non-gov run clinic that I can bring my children to when they are sick. They take donations of clothes and of course money if you can afford it. They are nicer than the doctors I used when I had insurance. Recently, my wife had to drive six hours to korean town in atlanta to see an endochrinologist. Why? Because there was a two month waiting list for her endochrinologist here in town. And, the office visit was going to be 160 plus 1200 dollars of blood tests that would take up to two weeks to receive. The cost in atlanta was 150 total for blood tests and doc visit. Why so cheap? Because the Koreans have doctors coming out of their wazoo there and they are all competing for business. Additonally, they have to also be affordable to all the Korean students and people that come to this country to study and work but don’t have insurance. The government is lying again. Ron Paul is not. Korea town is a great example of how the system he proposes works really well.

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  4. WillReadmore

    Amen, Andrew.

    The idea that everyone in need will start getting treated by doctors for free, because of the stiff new competition that is dramatically driving health care costs down is about as silly a notion as I’ve heard anyone suggest.

    Beyond that, this preposterous idea supposes that Big Pharma will start donating their meds for free, too, in a volume that will serve all those who are financially strapped.

    And, just to prove his total disconnectedness, he suggests we can all deduct our medical expenses – seeming to forget for the moment that those in real need rarely are helped by end of the year income tax deductions.

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    1. laurie

      i agree w/u, that is my point exactly..he really dsn’t explain what he wld do abt healthcare, none of them do really, i still will probably vote for him for the other reasons…standing by the constitution and all that, at least we might have a chance at keeping our freedoms. The whole thing is I didn’t like that he said that no person should feel like they have a “right” to medical care…that bothers me, but at least i agree on the other issues, and compared w/all the others…he’s the best choice, unfortunately, it’s all an elaborate deception, so it probably won’t matter, but that’s just my opinion

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    2. hyper.beam.vendetta

      He’s not saying that everyone in need will start getting treated by doctor’s for free, he’s saying that those of us with jobs should be able to afford normal health care without health insurance, just like we afford groceries without grocery insurance, and that those who walk in to an emergency room without an insurance card will still get treated, as they did in the past. It’s this whole mentality the insurance companies have manufactured that 1 we need insurance for something we ought to be able to afford with our paychecks, and 2 that the government should be in charge of making health care decisions (which should frighten all of us, in actuality) for the populace which makes it hard for people to understand Ron Paul’s position. It’s not that he’s making ridiculous claims.

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  5. itsjustavote

    @ Catherine…is there a point you would like me to know? Is there anything I can do in assisting you?

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  6. andrew

    RP Quote. ”
    and many doctors would remember their implicit obligation to provide free medical care to those in need, just like they did in the past.”

    Sorry, what?! My mother was a pediatrician, my father a cardiologist. My ex wife was a neurologist, and her father an internist. All well educated, and quite compassionate. But they would not life a finger for a person if they could not pay. They were not evil at all, but just normal. Did physicians provide free health care in the past? The hell they did, it was just as cut throat business as it is now. Hence the origin of the work “Quack”. A Quack was not a bad doctor, just one who stepped on the toes of the locals.

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  7. andrew

    RP Point 10

    Insurance sales should be legalized nationally across state lines to increase competition among the insurance companies.

    I am sorry? Are you suggesting some kind of nationalized authority to legalize and monitor insurance policies? What! Are you suggesting that there should be some kind of national rules? What kind of socialist nonsense is this? Are you next going to tell me that there should be some kind of airplane regulation so that aircraft do not crash into each other?!!! Goddam commies!!!!!!! Next you will tell me that there should me some kind of federal armed forces! Or single currency!!!

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  8. andrew

    RP point 11

    Long-term insurance policies should be available to young people similar to term-life insurances that offer fixed prices for long periods of time.

    Yeah, maybe. I do not understand this too well. As it outside my area of expertise, please tell me the pros and the cons. Perhaps this is a good idea. Perhaps not. But what are the pros and cons, please

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  9. andrew

    RP Point 10
    Insurance sales should be legalized nationally across state lines to increase competition among the insurance companies.

    No reason given why, but I would agree. The reason why is that…( for god sakes, you have to give reasons to sway voters!)

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  10. andrew

    RP Point 9

    The tax code, including the ERISA laws, must be changed to give everyone equal treatment by allowing a 100% tax credit for all medical expenses.
    Laws dealing with bad outcomes and prohibiting doctors from entering into voluntary agreements with their patients must be repealed. Tort laws play a significant role in pushing costs higher, prompting unnecessary treatment and excessive testing. Patients deserve the compensation; the attorneys do not.

    Actually quite well argued. It would almost make me think that the author of this was a physician and not a politician.

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  11. andrew

    Point 8

    Bureaucrats and other third parties must never be allowed to interfere in the doctor/patient relationship.

    Why? What does this mean? Are you saying that if I refuse to pay my doctors bill, a judge ( a bureaucrat), should not be able to enforce this? Nice!!!!!! I will be coming to you Dr. Paul, and if I owe you money, I will be quoting this nugget of info. Thank you sir. PS, if you do not treat me, I will surely force you to do so with my gun , and you will not be able to complain, because the police are bureaucrats. You Sir, are a good person! BTW , heaven help me if I don’t like your service. Since there are no bureaucrats to complain to , I will have to resort my my trusty .45. I call him “Ron”

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  12. andrew

    PR Point 7

    The costs are obviously too high but in solving this problem one cannot ignore the debasement of the currency as a major factor.

    The cost ( Of health care, I think he means, but he does not say), are too high. However, the US currency (the greenback), has not been debased by anyone. Simply, the US buys more than it sells ( a current account deficit). If you buy more than you sell ( if you spend more than you earn, it is the same thing), your credit will go down ( ask a credit card company. Or ask the friend you lent some money to, who you ain’t paying it back!)
    If you buy more than you sell, your credit goes down. In this case the credit is represented by the dollar. And since the US buys more than it sells, to cover the borrows money. The more the US borrows, the worse the US credit gets, and thus the greenback (dollar) goes down. This is not debasement. This is simply a question of being able to pay back your creditors.
    Debasement is the act of deliberately making your currency cheaper.
    Which is not necessarily a bad thing, as your exports are cheaper and more export jobs…….Well I am sure the good doctor will explain the further effects of that policy.

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  13. andrew

    Hi Dr Paul.

    Can you also please clarify your concept of liberty? 

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  14. andrew

    RP Point 6

    First, government should do no harm. It should get out of the way and repeal all the laws that have contributed to the mess we have.

    What mess? America today is one of the best places to live in the history of humanity. America is not perfect, but there is a greater standard of living in the Us than almost any place in history. Europe was destroyed by Hitler and Stalin in their ideological madness, and America stood firm. 100 years ago, millions of people in the West died from malaria, smallpox, starvation, religious genocide, malnutrition, ethic hatred and so on. American, more than any other country, acted against this. America created so many things useful to humanity it is almost worthless to list them, but I can hardly fail to mention the airplane, lasers, mass production, smallpox vaccine, radar, and so on and so on.
    America is an great place, that not only stopped WW1 and WW2, perhaps the worst things in all of human history, America has given us all hope that the future is good. Oh, and got rid of slavery in the West. Goddamit, Americans are optimists. !!

    America ain’t perfect. Sure. No place is. But it is not a mess. Not compared with the past. Don’ t make it worse. Make it better, Dr. Paul! Be an optimist

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  15. andrew

    RP Point 5
    Government does have an important role to play in facilitating the delivery of all goods and services in an ethical and efficient manner.

    Did you not refute this yourself with the following points?

    If medical care is provided by government, this can only be achieved by an authoritarian government unconcerned about the rights of the individual.
    Economic fallacies accepted for more than 100 years in the United States has deceived policy makers into believing that quality medical care can only be achieved by government force, taxation, regulations, and bowing to a system of special interests that creates a system of corporatism.
    More dollars into any monopoly run by government never increases quality but it always results in higher costs and prices.

    Dr Paul, are you saying government involvement in the health care system is good? Or is it bad? If the government accepts “economic fallacies for more than 100 years” about health care, why would you want them to be involved in “facilitating the delivery of all goods and services in an ethical and efficient manner”

    That is your quote. From just above.

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  16. andrew

    RP Point 4
    Dollars into any monopoly run by government never increases quality but it always results in higher costs and prices.

    I am inclined to agree with this, but evidence please! ( email me if you want some)

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  17. andrew

    Economic fallacies accepted for more than 100 years in the United States has deceived policy makers into believing that quality medical care can only be achieved by government force, taxation, regulations, and bowing to a system of special interests that creates a system of corporatism.

    Dr. Paul, what economic fallacies. No one accepts that in 2011 the full and broadest knowledge of economics is understood, let alone the last 100 years, but it appears that there is a good amount of evidence that a government run health care system is far superior to a fully free market one. Evidence? Ok, the US health care system is about 2 times as expensive as most developed countries ones, and yet is drastically inferior ( about 16% of Americans have no coverage), with no tangible benefit (americans do not live longer, not have a greater rate of success with medical treatments that any other developed country). It is certainly true that in America, more new and effective drugs will be developed and in this, the US is to be lauded. But this is due to Americas capital market system, primarily. And it surely does not help those uninsured new business owners who just got chest pains, but who don’t have the money to check out whether they have a twinge in their muscles, or if they need major cardiac surgery. Right?

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  18. andrew

    Ron Paul, Point 2*
    If medical care is provided by government, this can only be achieved by an authoritarian government unconcerned about the rights of the individual.

    On what basis do you suppose that if medical care is provided by governments, it is only achievable by authoritarian governments?
    Canada; the UK, Japan, France, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Australia to name but a few have achieved this and these governments are significantly less authoritarian than the US (press freedom, sexual tolerance, gay rights, drug freedom, rehabilitation of offenders etc). Actually, most Europe, Oceania and South America is considerable “free-er” than the US on many measures. With better health care. And what on earth do you mean by free anyway. The freedom to die of high blood pressure, because you could not afford to see a doctor, as you could not pay for a pre existing condition on you private health insurance? Very free, indeed…

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  19. andrew

    transcript:

    Government has been mismanaging medical care for more than 45 years; for every problem it has created it has responded by exponentially expanding the role of government.

    Mismanaging as compared to who? Please give me an example of a well managed health care system.

    Points to consider:

    No one has a right to medical care. If one assumes such a right, it endorses the notion that some individuals have a right to someone else’s life and property. This totally contradicts the principles of liberty.

    If this is true, then surely no one has the right to clean water, personal security, reliable sewage system, honest police, emergency responders, basic education and so on. Why do you single out health care as something less important to, for example, a clean water supply? Is dying of pneumonia because of a lack of decent , society provided ( socialist, perhaps?) primary health a “liberty”?

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  20. andrew

    So if I understand Dr. Paul correctly, we should be able to opt out of payment for government (social) services, as this represents “freedom”. Therefore, I should be able to refuse to pay taxes for police, if I feel that my chances of being a victim of a crime are negligible, I should be able to opt out of the clearly “socialist” armed forces, as I feel that I am unlikely personally to suffer from terrorism or warfare. Similarly I should be able to take cocaine, drive drunk, buy an armed tank, opt our of the 911 (surely socialist) system, refuse to pay for roads, bridges and airports, unless I directly use them, and refuse to pay towards the educational costs of my community, unless my children use them directly.
    This is a brilliant plan and currently used by that Paulian Utopia. It is called Somalia, and I will be moving there next week. With the good doctor, of course.

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  21. PeoplePower

    Theoretical idea folks, has anyone thought of using infrasound to treat cancer? my idea is to view cancer as a landmass & destroy it using earthquake style, infrasonic sisemic waves. Your free to call me a nut-case lol

    Go Ron Paul :-)

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  22. cindy boua

    @Paul T “Because there’s no profit in medical research in socialist countries. If we had gotten socialist medicine in the 90s when Hillary wanted to move towards a single payer system, the treatments keeping you alive probably wouldn’t exist today. Does it suck that they’re expensive here? Sure, but would it be better if they didn’t exist at all? “IN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION— I say no .. I would rather have all of society have good heath care then only the wealthy have great health care! As for your statement about research ,, I say, most of this research is financed by tax-payers in the form of grants (socialism),, I like Ron’s honesty though and would hope he will change his vision of “PaulCharityCare” so I can consciously vote for him ! Independently yours, Cindy

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  23. laurie

    whoops, ok, so forget that other post, it’s kind’ve the same statement, didn’t c that it actually posted. Anyways, pls don’t lecture me abt diabetes, that’s not what this is abt, and yes, i know how to cook and eat healthy and to excercise, yes, i took classes when i was younger…i’m not new at this…anyways…i just we can all come together get Ron in and hope for a better future, all the others…all primed to just go with the flow of the higher ups abv them…ron stands by the constitution…that’s all good

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  24. Andrew Gauthier

    To joe,
    Doesn’t competition also bring corruption? I deffinately see your side of things though and you make very good points that I hadn’t considered.

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  25. The Average Guy

    I have perused several comments on this site so far and it is clear that people are hurting and are sick and tired of it. However, being a person that suffers with neuropathy on a daily basis after a second deployment to Iraq I can understand what it means to suffer and the disgust with the ability to have such a condition remedied by what the conventional medical establishment has to offer.

    After years of suffering and finding no relief through certain non conventional and conventional methods and from doctors I came to certain conclusions:
    1. I refuse to accept the fact that I should get used to my suffering and will be this way for the rest of my life as different physicians suggested.
    2. I refuse to take the be drugged out of my mind route so that I am no good to my wife and children that was offered.
    3. If the body gets minor lacerations, bangs, and bruises I don’t have to command it to repair itself, it does it automatically.
    4. There must be something I can do to help it do so.
    5. I need to understand more about my anatomy so I can encourage my body to do what it does naturally when their is a problem.
    6. I nee to remove the hindrances to the natural self repair mechanisms.
    7. That there is no silver bullet or magic pill remedy to any illness or painful state.

    That last conclusion is what I believe to be the greatest hindrance to our society and the problem with a Government run health program. It is for two simple reasons:
    1. Emphasis is shifted from the citizen to the government for healthcare to the point that how to and what to is disseminated from the government.
    2. In time the citizen no longer has a desire or grows up with the mentality that the only way to really care for their own health is by dominantly depending on the government or medical practitioners.

    Keep in mind that I am not bashing the government or medical practitioners but the most basic means of health care lies within the decisions of the individual. Only the individual can determine to a certain degree the agents that will destroy or maintain their state of health and only the individual can explain to their practitioner what they feel. No one can read anyone else’s mind and nothing happens by accident to a certain degree. Let me put it this way no one really plans to fail but they fail to plan. This is why people are so sickly with seemingly incurable diseases. No one plans to get sick, get cancer, get aids, get the flu, get scurvy, get anthrax, get a cold, and etc… People just don’t plan to prevent these things to the best of their ability, because they don’t think they can or just don’t believe it can be due to the dependency on someone else to think for them where their health care is concerned.

    Knowledge is the key. The government, doctors and so on all have their place but no one is excused from learning some basic anatomy, physiology, biology, and chemistry. These things encompass the very fundamental make up of your being and without them there is no way you can begin to grasp the simplicity of keeping your self free of certain ailments or alleviating your painful state. Not every physical malady can be completely regressed but with the proper knowledge one can find enough relief to function well enough to accomplish some of the things you would like to be doing. I do speak for myself, considering I am one of those individuals. I know I have been long winded but I encourage any of you who are suffering to peruse my blog especially my latest paper Disease origin and theory and get some helpful insight that side steps some of the nonsense of name calling and finger pointing you are coming to grow annoyed with between the conventional and natural side of health. I do things more on the natural way but I certainly have a bone to pick with both camps.

    Thanks for listening and I welcome you all to stop on by and hear what else the Average Guy has to say at theaverageguy1022.blogspot.com.

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    1. Catherine

      I’m not a fan of Science Fiction.

      Why do people fail to understand that the Health Insurance Companies and Big Pharma condemn people to death every day? It’s called a cost benefit analysis.

      What part of:

      “I got my first job at 14 and worked all my life until the pain from the bone mets made walking and standing difficult. Over my lifetime I’ve paid at least $300,000 in private health insurance yet here I am, without insurance.

      I have sold everything I own that has value including my (paid for) car. My family and friends are tapped out. The Femara I take to keep me alive costs $600+/month. The Zoloft, $30/month and the Wellbutrin $40/month WITH the discount I get from my local drug store because I’m uninsured. I have enough meds for two more days and then I honestly don’t know what I will do.”

      Is so hard for you to understand? I’m going to DIE if I don’t get treatment and can’t afford my meds. How can “government run” universal health care be any worse for ME!

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      1. Paul T

        To be honest, a socialized system would probably be better than what we have now (and a lot better than Obamacare), but it still wouldn’t be as good as going back to a market system. The reason your meds and treatment are so expensive is partly because of government intervention and because of society’s reliance on insurance. When someone goes to the hospital or to a clinic, there are no prices listed, there are no estimates given before you receive treatment, even if you ask how much the average visit costs or how much a certain treatment usually costs they won’t tell you because they’re used to 90% of their customers coming in and either having insurance and paying a deductible while their insurance company pays the rest, or having medicare/medicaid and not having to pay for any of it. They don’t care how much their healthcare costs, because it costs them the same amount regardless of what treatment they get, what meds they get, what options they go with, so the hospitals try to sell people on the most expensive treatment that their insurance or medicare/medicaid is willing to cover. When 90% of a market has no competition, you don’t get the benefits of a free market. If we had a free market in health care, everything you just listed would be cheaper, seeing a doctor would be cheaper, and there would be more charities helping people pay for their medical care like there were when Dr. Paul started practicing medicine.

        Besides, if it weren’t for the world’s last semi-capitalist (more corporatist at this point really) health care system in an industrialized nation, most of the treatments that are available for your condition wouldn’t exist. Medical advances coming from Europe, Japan, and other countries with socialized medicine are coming at a much slower rate than those coming from America. Despite the recession, we still lead the world in medical research. Why? Because there’s no profit in medical research in socialist countries. If we had gotten socialist medicine in the 90s when Hillary wanted to move towards a single payer system, the treatments keeping you alive probably wouldn’t exist today. Does it suck that they’re expensive here? Sure, but would it be better if they didn’t exist at all?

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        1. Dean

          “The reason your meds and treatment are so expensive is partly because of government intervention and because of society’s reliance on insurance.”

          This is the part of your argument where I feel things fall apart. Where is the government intervention in health care??? Obamacare aside, the healthcare industry OWNS the government… the private sector buys up the NPOs and the small guys because of major government gaps in regulation and oversight. Insurance prices are what they are because of a private sector run rampant with little to no government control.

          Also, all societies are reliant on health care… this doesn’t increase the cost to payers on government run plans, because the taxpayer has final say over the government legislation. On private run plans in our out of control monopolized American healthcare industry, the more who buy in has no effect on the greed of these companies trying to show low MLRs to their wall street investors, who dictate the industry flow.

          I am beginning to realize that we’ve already handed over our freedoms to a private sector… the government is not the one to be fearing right now.

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      2. E. Cox
  27. john hill

    The morals and compassion of people did work in the USA for over 200 years and people can argue that it didn’t but history proves them wrong-the country is not better off in majority of ways. Society needs to change and itself needs to
    be reformed. Society blames the goverment and people THEY elect-yet they elect them ONLY because their beliefs and ideas agree with theirs! Politicians therefor reflect the society’s ideas and doctrines that repeatedly fail. They think compassion will fail and therefor reject all other ideas that have worked in the past and probabely will work again if the people who are the goverment themselves changed. Then they will elect the right people-but not until then!”Love never fails!”

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    1. Catherine

      Are you offering to pay for my meds?

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  28. Andrew Gauthier

    Right on Catherine!

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  29. Jennifer Cecelia Stanley

    I have a proposition. Perhaps free but mandatory access to textbooks et cetera about whatever health problem you have, including (for free) information provided to doctors who help cure and fix those problems, be provided to those people with said health problems. I mean, if a doctor is too busy to provide something for free or for a lower free (think about it… that is understandable and practically acceptable!), then the client needs to try to be like a doctor… help out with the process. We need to educate ourselves! For example, so a person has diabetes… start researching about your problem and if this was in place, then most of the information needed would be provided quickly. Also, prevention. People need to start looking out for their health now. Those who are in their 30s or older or have a life-long condition are people who likely would most need access to information about their health conditions. In other words, help the doctor help you, by also helping yourself. It is very hard to do that while being busy all day or all night with a job, so there is not much time left for i.e. researching about their health problem. So, doctors AND the pharmaceutical industry (what a dream) need to open their hearts and minds, speak their minds, share some knowledge and don’t play games with clients just because you need to make a profit. I think it should be required to tell clients everything possible, for free. Regardless of insurance and income, too. This should be in addition to whatever the healthcare plan would provide. Please consider this.

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    1. Catherine

      Jennifer,

      You are naive. Do you also believe that if we go into the woods and gather herbs we can make our own chemo’s? All of prevention in the world may not help you. For some bizarre reason a number of people cling to the fantasy that cancer can be prevented buy eating or not eating certain substances. No matter what is done in terms of prevention, there will always be people who get cancer.

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      1. E. Cox

        Who said anything about Chemo. It does not even work. It destroys the cancer yes but it also destroys your immune system. Chemo is deadly. Have you ever heard of Vitamin C Therapy, if not you may want to look into it. Have you heard of Dr. Simoncini and the cancer cure. Google his name and check out his site. There are natural alternatives. There is a cure. Do your research. There have been countless people who have been cured yet the mainstream is still looking for one, how sad. You will not see or really even hear about it but if you do your research you will find a host of free information that will hopefully shed some light on the issue. If you’d like to know what is really going on check out this site http://www.naturalnews.com/

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        1. Catherine

          Do you also believe the Earth is Flat?

          Every woman in my support group for stage 4 breast cancer who chose alternative treatment instead of Chemo is dead. Of those of us who were willing to puke our guts out, lose our hair and suffer the other side effects of Chemo, many are still alive. Show me one, live person who was diagnosed with cancer and cured by vitamin C. Not the apocryphal “people have been” just one person who’s tumor was biopsied, confirmed cancerous and now cancer free.

          Tell you what, take and pass University level courses in:
          Human anatomy, genetics, evolution, bio-chemistry, bio-medical engineering, pharmacology, biophysics, bio-statistics, biology, physical anthropology and psychology, then speak about vitamin C.

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          1. E. Cox

            Have you taken any of the above classes so that you can take care of yourself? You know your body better than any physician and are capable like most to take their health into their own hands. Education is key and so is a healthy immunity. It takes time. You did not get this way overnight and it will take time for your body to heal and fully recover. I encourage you to read http://www.doctoryourself.com/hoffer_cancer_2.html

            To your health.

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          2. Catherine

            For E Cox,

            I’ve only taken: Human anatomy (A), genetics (A+), evolution (A), bio-chemistry (B-), pharmacology (pass), bio-statistics (A-), biology (A+), physical anthropology (A+), psychology (A+) and histology (pass). BEFORE I was diagnosed I was an athlete, ate organic, no red meat, maybe one glass of wine/week, no drugs, never smoked, no breast or reproductive cancers in the family, got enough but not too much sleep, had very regular, healthy habits. Had I not “opened a vein” and had Chemo, I would be dead now. Period. IF I can’t stay on my meds and see my Oncologist my health will be compromised and I will die sooner then necessary.

            Still waiting for that “private, compassionate help” you are all so trusting of.

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          3. E. Cox

            My heart and prayers are with you. I am sorry your health has been compromised and that you are in the state you are in.

            To you health.
            http://www.whale.to/a/cancer_c.html
            http://www.whale.to/a/b/pearson.html

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          4. E. Cox

            Catherine,

            I am not trying to undermine what you are doing. You are doing everything you know to do. If you are making progress then praise God. I would imagine that you do not want to live on drugs the rest of your life and pray that you do not have to. Really when it is all said and done the most important thing is where you stand in light of eternity. Nothing else matters. I pray that God will work a miracle in your life and that though it all you will be able to see his hand at work in your life.

            I am not sure if you ever read the book Four Women Against Cancer by Alan Cantwell. My husband was just telling me about it.
            I encourage you to read it if you have not done so already.

            To your health.
            http://www.whale.to/a/cantwell11.html

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          5. Catherine

            For E Cox,

            I know you are trying to be kind but I don’t believe in an afterlife. Dead is dead.

            Until all of my years of hard work and fiscal responsibility blew up in my face, I had a good quality of life, so yes, if I have a good quality of life I would stay on drugs for the rest of my life.

            I’m not afraid of dying, in fact, I’m not afraid of much at all.

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          6. E. Cox

            You may not believe in an afterlife but it does not mean it doesn’t exist. You may not see the wind but it still blows and you see the effects of it. God is still God whether you believe him or not. It is just his mercy that has kept you. I fear for you.

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      2. itsjustavote

        Jennifer may be naive Catherine, but I can tell you without question that she has a much more solid understanding of what “health” is….

        If you insist on the belief that you’re unable to empower yourself to beat cancer, then you’re right.

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        1. Catherine

          Health: As officially defined by the World Health Organization, a state of complete physical, mental, and social well-being, not merely the absence of disease or infirmity.

          Do you really believe that the average American is capable of becoming an amateur Oncologist by reading books and asking questions?

          I’m extremely well educated, very intelligent and have an educational background in a number of sciences. I can read and understand medical materials at a post-graduate level. Yet I would never presume to posit myself an expert in Oncology.

          You also assume that I’ve managed to live for ten years with metastatic disease as a passive recipient of Western medicine. I can assure you, for a layman, I have extensive knowledge of the biology, chemistry and mechanics of cancer and metastatic disease in particular. I’ve also used a number of “alternative” pathways along with chemotherapy and aromatize inhibitors to control my disease.

          Just this morning I was reading a summary of an oral presentation given at the ASCO Breast Cancer Symposium 2011 in San Francisco. The link to the article is:

          http://ir.nektar.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=604396

          And yes, I understood the article. Perhaps you should read it and let me know if YOU understand the science.

          I love Opera yet I would never attempt to write an Opera nor would I tell you that by reading and researching, you too can write an Opera. To write an Opera one must be both a composer and librettist and have extensive training in music theory. I can’t even read music.

          Why the contempt for the years of study and knowledge required before becoming a medical professional?

          I wouldn’t let a chef work on my car, why should I privilege information of mythical cancer cures given to me but a bunch of poorly or uneducated persons who distrust anyone smarter than they are. Where are your credentials?

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          1. itsjustavote

            Catherine, good luck finding out what caused your disease.

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          2. Catherine

            For Justavote

            “Catherine, good luck finding out what caused your disease.”

            Uhm… well I know what caused my disease;

            A mutation occurred in a somatic cell in my breast. Two kinds of cells, somatic cells and germ line cells exisit in Homo Saipian. Somatic cells are diploid containing two copies of each chromosome, whereas the germ cells are haploid as they only contain one copy of each chromosome. Somatic cell mutations are non inheritable mutations of germ-line cells are passed on to offspring. Although under normal circumstances all somatic cells contain identical DNA, they develop a variety of tissue-specific characteristics. This process is called differentiation, through epigenetic and regulatory alterations. The grouping of like cells and tissues creates the foundation for organs.

            Many cancers are somatic mutations. This specific Mutation caused a cell in my breast to become malignant. Because the mutation is present in all descendants of this cell as the cell replicated a tumor grew.

            Changes in DNA caused by mutation can cause errors in protein sequence, creating partially or completely non-functional proteins. There are several types of mutation and base or amino acid changes; nucleotide substitution, amino acid substitution and amino acid deletion.

            Cancers arise owing to mutations in a subset of genes that confer growth advantage. More than 1,000 somatic mutations found in 274 megabases (Mb) of DNA corresponding to the coding exons of 518 protein kinase genes in 210 diverse human cancers. There is substantial variation in the number and pattern of mutations in individual cancers reflecting different exposures, DNA repair defects and cellular origins. Most somatic mutations are likely to be ‘passengers’ that do not contribute to oncogenesis. However, there is evidence of ‘driver’ mutations contributing to the development of certain cancers.

            To function correctly, each cell depends on thousands of proteins to function in the right places at the right times. When a mutation alters a protein that plays a critical role in the body, a medical condition can result.

            Spontaneous mutations on the molecular level can be caused by:

            Tautomerism – A base is changed by the repositioning of a hydrogen atom, altering the hydrogen bonding pattern of that base resulting in incorrect base pairing during replication.

            Depurination – Loss of a purine base (A or G) to form an apurinic site (AP site).

            Deamination – Hydrolysis changes a normal base to an atypical base containing a keto group in place of the original amine group. Examples include C → U and A → HX (hypoxanthine), which can be corrected by DNA repair mechanisms; and 5MeC (5-methylcytosine) → T, which is less likely to be detected as a mutation because thymine is a normal DNA base.

            Slipped strand mispairing – Denaturation of the new strand from the template during replication, followed by renaturation in a different spot (“slipping”). This can lead to insertions or deletions.

            Due to the damaging effects that mutations can have on genes, organisms have mechanisms such as DNA repair to remove mutations. Often, cellular gene mutations are repaired. Each cell has a number of pathways through which enzymes recognize and repair mistakes in DNA. Because DNA can be damaged or mutated in many ways, the process of DNA repair is an important way in which the body protects itself from disease. We have yet to discover what triggers mutation in somatic cells or turns DNA repair mechanisms on and off in Breast Cancer.

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    2. laurie

      I’ve had diabetes TYPE 1, juvenile since I was 7, there is no “helping” this disease except better control which I do. Most people don’t understand the difference between type 1 & type 2…type 1 cannot be diminished by diet or excercise, only controlled. Type 2 can. I think most people have no clue abt this. I have to take insulin to live, it is not provided for by my pancreas, it wasn’t my fault that I got it & I have researched and educated myself about it. No one expects Dr’s to give anything for free, but it dsn’t need to cost $100′s of dollars per month for people on limited income! we all have things that happen in our lives or weren’t taught certain things & we end up where we end up…and sometimes, sometimes, there’s nothing u can do to improve ur situation…only the dreamers who live in a fantasy world and cannot face reality believe that nonsense…I face reality everyday of my life!

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    3. laurie

      ok, so wow…lots of responses. as far as taking care of myself w/diabetes for that 1 person who wrote abt it…i have had it since i was 7, as i already put and this is type 1, not type 2, which means…it is permanent! There is no getting rid of it, my body produces no insulin, unlike type 2 which u can possibly diminish with diet & excercise. And I have read up on the disease and doing everything i can to control it, but i will be on insulin thru shots until the day i die. As far as everything else goes, it is a broken system becuz the elite want it that way, it was designed to end up like this becuz it is meant to be destroyed just like the economy…wake up…rich elitist don’t give a crap abt who gets cancer, diabetes, or any other disease! I really don’t think there’s anything that can be done to fix it but I guess voting for Ron is one last try, but i’m still not clear on what exactly it is that he will do abt healthcare, and yes, gov’t needs to get the hell out of it, but then the problem is u got big huge pharma who have all gotten greedy and don’t want u 2 get well, they want u sick as long as possible to milk u for all ur worth and then u die…sad but true…this is a greedy, selfish world, and those types r the ones in control…research, wake up, and let’s try to save ourselves.

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  30. Catherine

    Dear Mr. Paul,

    I watched with interest your comments on medical care for the uninsured. I have carried and paid for insurance for most of my adult life. In December of 2001 at the age of 46 I was diagnosed with stage four-breast cancer. I was paying $1200/month for my health insurance and received excellent care at NYUMC. I also owned my NY condo free and clear.

    Because I had worked for my ex-husband for most of my adult life and I returned to the University after my divorce so I could prepare for a career, I did not qualify for any of the government “hand-out” programs that you distain. Instead, to help support myself, I sold my condo to my ex-husband with a lifetime lease back.

    I went into remission seven years ago.

    Last year my ex-husband got tired of waiting for me to die and he sued me. Because I could not afford attorney’s fees, I filed for bankruptcy. My ex-husband managed to have all my assets frozen and I found myself without money for food, rent and those all important insurance payments. I have a positive net worth, but I can’t touch a penny of my money.

    I have sold everything I own that has value including my (paid for) car. My family and friends are tapped out. The Femara I take to keep me alive costs $600+/month. The Zoloft, $30/month and the Wellbutrin $40/month WITH the discount I get from my local drug store because I’m uninsured. I have enough meds for two more days and then I honestly don’t know what I will do.

    I got my first job at 14 and worked all my life until the pain from the bone mets made walking and standing difficult. Over my lifetime I’ve paid at least $300,000 in private health insurance yet here I am, without insurance.

    My solution would be to enlarge the “welfare state” so that people like me don’t die from manageable diseases. However, you made such a good case for private charity that I’ve decided to ask you and your fellow Libertarians to “step up” and donate my care and medications from now until my bankruptcy is settled and after I can pay for insurance, through the 12 month waiting period for coverage of pre-existing conditions that NY State allows insurers.

    Everything I’ve told you is verifiable. I’m more than happy to have my Oncologist at NYUMC speak to you. Let’s see you put your money where your mouth is.

    Thank you, Catherine
    New York NY 10024

    PS: My ex is now also trying to evict me from the condo for non-payment of rent.

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  31. Karin

    I like most of what Mr. Paul says, however, this issue of Health Care worries me tremendously.
    I get disability ( from a bad car accident) and was nealy retirement age when it happened. I pay for my Medicare monthly from my check. Without sad Medicare, I could not get into a Dr.s office. The first question asked is do you have insurance.

    I also see horrid corruption in the present Health Care by Drs and Bigg Pharma.
    Drs are not gods, but people who are uninformed walk into a drs. office with blind faith as they know little about their own bodies and just want to be “fixed”.
    Outragous, Expensive Tests are ordered, time and again, which are not needed.
    My disability is my lower back, and neck. The recent dr. I have been going to and intend on firing actually ran tests for my kidneys etc. When I asked him why, he said ‘because you complain of back pain’.. I laughed at him.. of course I have back pain, look at my ex-rays and MRI results !!

    The buildings these so called drs. practice in are like Ivory Towers.. and all the testing , minus blood work, is done there, so they have the expense of paying for incredibly expensive testing equip. Hence, the ordering of needless tests.

    Without my Medicare, where will I be? Health Insurance costs are outragous these days, and offer little coverage. The legal mumbo jumbo in their paperwork make it impossible for the lay person to understand and then you have the co-pay issues.

    The whole Health Care system is a joke in this country. Fat Cats getting fatter, and the hypocratic code is a joke today. All drs. want to be millionaires.. what happened to going into the medical profession because you actually wanted to HEAL or at very least help people who are ill?

    I would vote for Mr Paul just on the issue of the Fed, IF I actually believed he could pull it off.. I seriously fear that the Banking Cartel have to much leverage .

    I suggest an Amendment to the Constitution stating that All Lobbying , in DC all the way down to a city level be outlawed. Period ! No three strikes you are out system either. One lousy Dollar taken by ANY legislator will end their ‘service’ as a representative of their constituates.
    Without corporate interests, we may actually have the Congress and Senate concerned about it’s citizenry agian.

    Thank you.

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  32. Debbie Decker

    I agree with Mr. Paul about many things but on health care he is completely wrong. I watched my brother die because he could not get the medical care he needed to save his life. No church or other charitable organization stepped in, and trust me, we asked everyone and “charitable” hospitals don’t exist, it is all about the profit. My brother’s “bad choice” was to pay for our elderly mother’s insurance and let his own lapse. According to all you Tea Partiers he deserved to die. So much for the “pro-life party”, be accurate and call yourselves “pro prenatal life”. As long as health care is 100% in the hands of greedy profit-driven insurance companies there is no hope. As long as health care coverage is tied to your job and the employer can offer it if they feel like it and not offer it if the don’t, people are going to die because they can’t get health care. And you can disrespectfully and sneeringly call it Obamacare if you want, but The Affordable Care Act means my granddaughter with Type 1 diabetes will be able to get the insulin she needs to stay alive. I realize Tea Partiers (who you have to please to get the nomination) would rather let her die than pay an extra dollar or two to keep her alive, but that is just plain immoral. Please rethink your stance on health care.

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    1. Paul T

      The reason the health insurance companies control our health care and charity hospitals don’t exist is because of government intervention. In 1971 Nixon signed sweeping reforms of health care into law, creating HMOs and giving most of the decision making power in health care to the HMOs and insurance companies. Now, nobody knows the cost of their own health care unless they’re uninsured – either you’re insured and pay a flat premium and deductible, or you’re on medicare/medicaid and it’s covered for you. Because nobody knows the cost, everyone just accepts the prices that are set, nobody shops around for major procedures to get better prices, it’s all a bureaucracy set up to make money for the middle men rather than to reward the hospitals that provide the best care for the lowest price.

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    2. Dan Ford

      I salute you! Well said!

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  33. Andrew Gauthier

    I know that the only two licensed clinics for the Gerson Therapy are located in Hungary and Mexico? Which do you recommend?

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    1. E. Cox

      Either one, or just do the therapy at home. If you ‘d like to find out more view this documentary http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/dying-to-have-known/ Another program you may want to look into is the Hippocrates Health Institute “Change Your Life Program,” http://www.hippocratesinst.org/programlifechange. I have read countless testimonies on how people were cured from cancer through diet and detoxification. Check out my blog http://youdecide007.blogspot.com/search/label/Cancer and clink on the cancer link on the right if you;d like to find out more.

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  34. Andrew Gauthier

    To Jen,
    Just curious, how would you go about curing Colon Cancer holistically? I don’t think that no health care is the answer.

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    1. E. Cox

      Have you heard of The Gerson Therapy? If not, you might want to do your research.

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  35. jen

    I think that not having health insurance may have been my saving grace, after losing my job and health care I started to look into holistic remedies especially because I am a mom of 4. There are cures for everything, yes everything, holistically if you just open your eyes a little more. And I mean no disrespect I just am amazed that I didn’t know and utilize this sooner.

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