Health Care

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In these United States of America, many people cannot afford even basic health insurance. They suffer severely under the present system and have to live under the constant fear of not knowing what they will do if they or their loved ones ever fall seriously ill.

But in many cases, insured individuals aren’t much better off either. In comparison to the exorbitant insurance premiums they pay, the medical care they receive is often very poor.

Additionally, due to the government-enforced monopolies of HMOs (Health Maintenance Organizations) and pharmaceutical companies, many patients will never even hear about some of the most effective and non-invasive treatment methods. These natural and inexpensive ways of regaining one’s health are being suppressed by the FDA and the medical establishment not because of safety concerns (they’ve been around for hundreds of years), but because they cannot be patented and would therefore cut into the pharmaceutical industry’s profits.

The current system is most definitely broken, and it must eventually be abolished if we want to regain both our health and our freedom.

But Obamacare is the worst possible answer. All it does is perpetuate a flawed system by forcing everyone to become a client of insurance companies, even those who don’t want to or need to participate.

Why should anyone be forced to subsidize the medical care of others? Very few individuals would personally assault their neighbors at gunpoint and steal thousands of dollars to pay for their own medical needs. How could any freedom loving person agree to delegate such criminal acts to the government by supporting a compulsory health insurance system?

There is only one solution that will lead to true health and true freedom: making health care more affordable. Ron Paul believes that only true free market competition will put pressure on the providers and force them to lower their costs to remain in business. Additionally, Ron Paul wants to change the tax code to allow individual Americans to fully deduct all health care costs from their taxes.

Through these measures and the elimination of government-sponsored health care monopolies a much larger number of people will be able to finally access affordable health care, either by paying for medical insurance or by covering their medical expenses, which are now much lower, out of their own pocket.

As for the poor and the severely ill who can neither obtain insurance nor pay for the medical care they need, Ron Paul offers the following solution in his bookThe Revolution: A Manifesto“:

In the days before Medicare and Medicaid, the poor and elderly were admitted to hospitals at the same rate they are now, and received good care. Before those programs came into existence, every physician understood that he or she had a responsibility towards the less fortunate and free medical care was the norm. Hardly anyone is aware of this today, since it doesn’t fit into the typical, by the script story of government rescuing us from a predatory private sector.

Illegal aliens already receive de-facto free health care. Why can’t poor Americans have the same… not as a right, but as a charitable benefit provided by doctors who feel a personal responsibility for their fellow citizens?

Unfortunately, the current medical monopoly corrupts many doctors by rewarding practices that are not in the patients’ best interest. Pharmaceutical companies have a vested interest in not curing people, but getting them permanently addicted to expensive drugs that have many side effects, thereby requiring additional drugs to suppress those side effects. Many doctors are afraid to speak up and question the system for fear of being ostracized by their peers or even losing their license.

Under a liberated health care system prices would come down and additional options would become available, thereby making health care much more affordable. Moral corruption would give way to true compassion, and many doctors would remember their implicit obligation to provide free medical care to those in need, just like they did in the past.

As a medical doctor, Ron Paul swore the Hippocratic Oath many decades ago. His entire person and career is a monument to the beauty and sanctity of human life. Ron Paul knows that life without health can be very difficult and is not what it was meant to be. He has personally cared for the poor for many years, without asking anything in return.

The government’s original role is to protect our freedoms and restrain itself from causing too much harm. Ron Paul is working to prevent greedy bureaucrats, opportunist politicians and corrupt pharmaceutical companies from having any sort of unhealthy influence over our bodies and minds.

Join the Ron Paul Revolution and help us put the federal government back where it belongs: to Washington DC and out of our daily lives.

Transcript:

Government has been mismanaging medical care for more than 45 years; for every problem it has created it has responded by exponentially expanding the role of government.

Points to consider:

  1. No one has a right to medical care. If one assumes such a right, it endorses the notion that some individuals have a right to someone else’s life and property. This totally contradicts the principles of liberty.
  2. If medical care is provided by government, this can only be achieved by an authoritarian government unconcerned about the rights of the individual.
  3. Economic fallacies accepted for more than 100 years in the United States has deceived policy makers into believing that quality medical care can only be achieved by government force, taxation, regulations, and bowing to a system of special interests that creates a system of corporatism.
  4. More dollars into any monopoly run by government never increases quality but it always results in higher costs and prices.
  5. Government does have an important role to play in facilitating the delivery of all goods and services in an ethical and efficient manner.
  6. First, government should do no harm. It should get out of the way and repeal all the laws that have contributed to the mess we have.
  7. The costs are obviously too high but in solving this problem one cannot ignore the debasement of the currency as a major factor.
  8. Bureaucrats and other third parties must never be allowed to interfere in the doctor/patient relationship.
  9. The tax code, including the ERISA laws, must be changed to give everyone equal treatment by allowing a 100% tax credit for all medical expenses.
    Laws dealing with bad outcomes and prohibiting doctors from entering into voluntary agreements with their patients must be repealed. Tort laws play a significant role in pushing costs higher, prompting unnecessary treatment and excessive testing. Patients deserve the compensation; the attorneys do not.
  10. Insurance sales should be legalized nationally across state lines to increase competition among the insurance companies.
  11. Long-term insurance policies should be available to young people similar to term-life insurances that offer fixed prices for long periods of time.
  12. The principle of insurance should be remembered. Its purpose in a free market is to measure risk, not to be used synonymously with social welfare programs. Any program that provides for first-dollar payment is no longer insurance. This would be similar to giving coverage for gasoline and repair bills to those who buy car insurance or providing food insurance for people to go to the grocery store. Obviously, that could not work.
  13. The cozy relationship between organized medicine and government must be reversed.
    Early on medical insurance was promoted by the medical community in order to boost re-imbursements to doctors and hospitals. That partnership has morphed into the government/insurance industry still being promoted by the current administration.
  14. Threatening individuals with huge fines by forcing them to buy insurance is a boon to the insurance companies.
  15. There must be more competition for individuals entering into the medical field. Licensing strictly limits the number of individuals who can provide patient care. A lot of problems were created in 20th century as a consequence the Flexner Report (1910), which was financed by the Carnegie Foundation and strongly supported by the AMA. Many medical schools were closed and the number of doctors was drastically reduced. The motivation was to close down medical schools that catered to women, minorities and especially homeopathy. We continue to suffer from these changes which were designed to protect physician’s income and promote allopathic medicine over the more natural cures and prevention of homeopathic medicine.
  16. We must remove any obstacles for people seeking holistic and nutritional alternatives to current medical care. We must remove the threat of further regulations pushed by the drug companies now working worldwide to limit these alternatives.

True competition in the delivery of medical care is what is needed, not more government meddling.


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2,244 responses to “Health Care”

  1. micahbronkell

    why do people complain about free government stuff. strip the poor of there free stuff and strip the politicians of there free stuff as well. make it where everyone pays so it will all be equal and no one will get anything free the sword should cut both ways thats a strong arguement

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  2. loveisnteverything

    I am just asking a question that a lot of Americans are asking. No I am not an illegal immigrant. I happen to support Ron Paul , but there are questions that need to be answered if he is going to win. Our government is paying for politicians to get to social services that even Americans do not get. You can get angry about it but it is the truth. The government can not expect American Citizens to suffer in pain and die because they have no health insurance. How can someone say they are against government paid health insurance when they are reaping the benefits of it? Members of congress get the best insurance in the industry, and they live to a ripe old age because of it. My question is if Ron Paul is elected will he stop congress from getting free health care that “We the People” pay for. ?

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    1. w1945

      Paul will except $36,000 in salary. Show me one other politician that will do that. If he is willing to do that I would strongly suspect that he will do a number on them. All Congressmen and Senators should have the same thing we have no more no less. We just got a S/S raise, first one in a couple of years. But guess what, they took it back on Medicare. What a joke. If you are old you die. Turn 70 and get cancer and see where you end up when it comes to Obama’s Health Care. You will end up six feet under pushing up daises. I bet old Nancy girl could care less. You know the one who had the private jet loaded with $3,000 worth of liquor every time it left the ground. @loveisnteverything

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  3. micahbronkell

    Why are the Jews the chosen people of God ? Because they are,He chose them.

    So people get better things in this life than others. Trump gets better healthcare than most people who cares. The doctors at the low income clinic do just as good as the doctors who serve the rich

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    1. MarkANolan

      @micahbronkell The Jews are the chosen people of God because a Jew wrote the bible. Simple deductive reasoning.

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  4. loveisnteverything

    I read that Ron Paul gets the best health insurance in the country-from Our Government. Also as a member of congress he has the choice of 10 different health care plans. Is this true? If it is ….then he is getting government sponsered health insurance…………..Why should people that work for us get better medical care and health insurance then we get…..if we get any at all.. If congress gets free health insurance why cant American citizens have the same.

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    1. MarkANolan

      @loveisnteverything That is a total fallacy. Ron Paul has never signed off on his Government backed insurance.

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  5. micahbronkell

    I DONT AGREE WITH SOCIALIZED MEDICINE TO A EXTENT. BUT I AGREE THAT THERE SHOULD BE HEALTHCARE FOR EVERYONE EVEN THE POOR . AND IF NOT THERE SHOULD BE A OPTION FOR PEOPLE WHO CANNOT AFFORD HEALTHCARE.THE SYSTEM OF THE WORLD IS SO BACKWARDS. EVERYONE HAS A RIGHT IN THE USA TO THERE OWN VALUES AND BELIEF I THINK IF THE GOVERNMENT PROVIDES HEALTHCARE AT LITTLE OR NO COST TO THE POOR AND WORKING POOR THEY MUST UNDERSTAND THAT IT WILL BE A SOCIALIZED SYSTEM. BUT THEY SHOULD HAVE THE OPTION TO GET PRIVATE HEALTH INSURANCE IF THEY CAN AFFORD IT. SOCIALIZED MEDICINE MAY NOT BE FAIR BUT IF THE DOCTORS ARE AS GOOD AS THE FREE MARKET DOCTORS WHAT IS THE PROBLEM. IF THE SOCIALIZE SYSTEM OF HEALTH WORKS WHY COMPLAIN IF THE PROGRAM IS FREE OF CHARGE. AND IF THE PERSON IS ONLY AFFORDED TO GO TO CERTAIN DOCTORS UNDER THIS SYSTEM BUT CAN GET BETTER AS A INDIVIDUAL WHY COMPLAIN.

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  6. Kurisuti

    I’ve always had a more socialist view of healthcare, I believe good health is a RIGHT, not a privilege. This is one of those rare areas where I feel government intervention is needed. Good health is a necessity in order to be able to work and participate in this free market system! Ever try to work full time and support your family while suffering from a chronic illness?

    But what Dr. Paul is suggesting, would be a decent 2nd option. Getting rid of Big Pharma, abolishing restrictions on holistic treatments, and giving out a 100% tax credit for med expenses are some great ideas that I could definitely work with. Not the most ideal, but definitely workable and far better than we are now. Obamacare IS an abomination and only exacerbates the problem.

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  7. ChrisWAgoner

    Why is there rarely a mention that many politicians receive FREE HEALTH CARE FOR LIFE? After their political careers most go back to lucrative careers as lawyers, business consultants (or lobbyists) and can damn well afford to pay for their own health insurance or already have it covered by another employment situation. I’d like to see the total amount we the people have needlessly shelled out to pay for retired politicians’ health care. WHY HAS THIS NOT BEEN AN ISSUE???

    I’m guessing that simply eliminating politicians’ “retirement” health care coverage would put a severe dent in the budget deficit.

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    1. jodbea11

      These politicians dont really care about the people of the U.S. they are all for themselves, ron paul included . He is wealthy , how did he get so much? The same way all the politicians do.lying cheating,stealing from the American people If they really cared about the American people , they would throw out Obamacare , put in the same medical coverage that congress and all politicians have, add a 2 cent vat tax, 10 percent tax on people making 1 million or more a year, add all the medicare money,to pay for it. put the money in a trust that cant be used for anything but that. Cap all doctors and hospitals revoke all non profit status, they should pay taxes too. allow them 15 percent profit no more . Give the insurance to all Americans free no exceptions.

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  8. myhealth

    I’m sad to know that some people of United States of America cannot afford to have their health insurance which the very much important to have. I thought USA are one of those countries that are most concern about each individuals health. I was wrong.

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    1. jodbea11

      @myhealth I agree

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  9. david devore

    I think the responses on this topic show the one subject to which there is the greatest debate with Dr. Paul’s position. On his side he says leave it up to the states. However I am trapped by circumstances in Texas and I know that Texas will do nothing to help me should it merely become a matter of state policy. I also recognize that the Constitution does not proscribe Health Care as a territory for the federal government, and I have said several times before that the way to fix this would be an amendment. Otherwise I am for Ron Paul 110%%.

    Ron Paul for President!!!

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  10. VictoriaN.Alexander

    Dr. Paul what is your affordable health care plan? Spell it out please. How do we get rid of gov’t enforced HMO monopolies? How do we get a free market in the health insurance industry? How do we get member-owned non-profit insurance co-ops? If we have to compromise with the progressives (and we should consider compromises if half the nation wants national health care) and we are forced to buy insurance, we should at least have a choice among insurance companies. Among those choices might be catastrophic illness coverage only, which would be much, much cheaper than full coverage.

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  11. regisjbeakensr

    once again this is my view and not neccessary ron paul’s view. noone said no care for anyone i said get off your lazy butt and get a job ssd needs audited ssi need 31200 a year pying taxes and potion of ins like everyone. minimum wage$15 hr.this creates 20million jobs sendind over 20 million illegals home. if you refuse $15 an hr. no welfare no unemployment live like a lazy dog . i save 3 trillion thats 6 trillion on this page

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    1. dippy

      Is english your second language? You write like it is. ILLEGAL ALIEN!

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  12. regisjbeakensr

    90% of people believe in god. it makes them feel better. and i have an article on health care where everyone works and everyone pays a portion for good ins at $30 a week,making $15 minimum wage at 10% income tax off the gross $60 a week. drugs should be free crackdown on medical drugs i take 22 ,but i’m dieng. marujuana is a good thing, but crack and others illegal. no free money for kids at income tax time for anyone cain wants to give inner city 300 of the top thats blacks bullshit. i gave to blacks so long i’m losing my home $100 a month.

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  13. rewtoetzi

    Listening again to Ron Paul’s statements on the “let him drop dead”- movie up there – I understand he’s never fit to be president of this country, and I should say: Over my dead body. It’s a shame. He has some very great and eloquent criticisms of government and corporatism, and the financial-military complex, but on heath care he is dead wrong. Not in many of the details but in the basic assumptions: The God of the Free Market is not an instrument of the Common Good. It is a completely raw form of society’s force that may deliver the greatest goods in one case, and can be a curse in another: It is as progressive and at the same time as cruel as “natural selection of the fittest”. If there is profit in building weapons more than in developing science towards a better life then that’s what the “free market” is going to generate: Weapons and more wars. The argument that Africa is an example where the lack of free market leads to a none-existing health care system is absurd. It is stupid linear thinking to say “The more [market] freedom there is the better the health care ” and the more “socialism” the more famines, etc. Now look at the Scandinavian countries, look at Taiwan, look at Japan, Britain, Switzerland: My own experience is that their health care system beats arms length that of the US. In all these countries it is the government that regulates and organizes healthcare tightly, with some inclusion of free market forces (e.g., Switzerland) but not at the mercy of the “free market”: To the free market a sick person is basically useless, just like a sick cow is useless to a free farmer. If there is a profit to be made from bringing people to the death bed faster, there will be a free market proponent who is going to just that. This is were I really hate Ron Paul’s glorification of free market over everything. He has to come to grips with this animal called free market if he wants to become the President. This is a large complex society, it would never gotten were it is and it needs government: Government of the people for the people. There is such a thing as good government, even if you haven’t seen any of it lately, and not that we would have it here as it is, but it is possible. The concept of good government got completely lost by the bashing of the libertarians’ dogma that all government is evil. Fight for good government and the people will elect you.

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    1. loveisnteverything

      make sense , lets fight for good government @rewtoetzi

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    2. kenwcreative

      @rewtoetzi I didn’t even read the rest of your statement after “Ron Paul said let him drop dead” and the reason why is because if you start your statement with BS then there is no reason to read the rest. Get your facts straight before you open your mouth.

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    3. ImAnyelina

      @rewtoetzi You just showed in this statement how ignorant you are in economics and don’t know how our economy situation is right now. Don’t you understand that we are BROKE? and we are broke because OF THE GOVERNMENT that are NOT for the people but for corporations? how are we going to fund the socialized health care if we don’t have the money? is we have in national debt of $15 TRILLION and counting? and Obama is the one that has spent more than Bush and other presidents? and he still want to keep spending and spending? and continuing with the unconstitutional wars that are our most debt generators? don’t you understand that we can’t borrow forever? don’t you understand what the FED is and how this have affected our economy and where are we facing if we don’t end it immediately? Don’t fall for party systems, just look for principles and Ron Paul is the one that knows how to restore our economy! if you don’t understand economics, then don’t say anything and stop embarrassing yourself!

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  14. rewtoetzi

    Many of the bullet points 1-16 are good, some are partially wrong, but number 1 is utterly wrong. I think it is part of the human universal rights to have medical care. You may be ok if you are a member of a small tight nit community, but you can’t rely on charity living in a mega-city. No one may save your life or treat you and help you back on your feet if you don’t have the right to be helped. Especially in a society that has become a new feudal order like this country. This bullet point number 1 is a medieval and horrible vision and it completely devalues many of the other ideas of Ron Paul.

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    1. RonPaulsMyHero

      @rewtoetzi Charity is part of Human sympathy. If your not a part of that then you should invest your flesh in the future of robotics.

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  15. regisjbeakensr

    ever been to a free clinic the care is substandard. use needles more than once no where as sanitary as regular drs. and those drs. are there because they couldn’t get enough people to have own practice.

    don’t make them heroes they are high pd. by gov’t. once again we pd. for them mostly blacks and spanish .5% whites someone has to pay them so free clinics is another way of saying middle class pay. all others are good. i can’t pay my own bill and they’re bills is deducted from my check. i’ve paid $75000 myself gov’t no help i’m middle class i’m dieng and there is no cure so i keep paying with 2 insurances i have $40 copay and 5-100 copay on drugs. tell me i owe the poor my ass. i’m losing my home on these bills that just keep coming also people on welfare or work long enough for unemployment i could give a rats ass . i’m dieing and need 100 dollars a month to pay bills no birthdays, xmas,etc… i worked 40 years and can’t get a penny and home owners bill by obama don’t include me we aren’t far enough behind. when you get far enough behind they foreclose what a life

    i haven’t taken my wife anywhere in 6 yrs.

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  16. regisjbeakensr

    i agree drs. should help any patient but where is the line he pd. for schooling plus interest. they pd. they’re dues if everyone came said they were poor the drs. have no jobs so there would be no drs. and we know that result. truth is they do take some poor but they have a business and want paid. will you work they’re hours for nothing ? my doctors 8-5 then goto hospital nightly and check patients another 2-3 hrs.they save lives and my plan on health care makes sure ins is less and everyone gets attention

    equally.drs. take hypocratical oath to help everyone

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  17. JillianChafik

    It seems pretty unrealistic to rely on the goodwill of doctors that have been turning the poor away for quite some time now. If all doctors were really that genuine, wouldn’t they all be working at free clinics right now and refusing to have anything to do with the corrupt insurance companies? Claiming that Ron Paul himself would have done so himself is no sort of evidence. Everybody says they would do something until the actual situation occurs, in which case most people take the easy way out.

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  18. esayrios

    Ron Paul states, “In the days before Medicare and Medicaid, the poor and elderly were admitted to hospitals at the same rate they are now, and received good care.” He also states that “no body was turned away” in the 60′s.

    Is there any empirical data that supports these claims?

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    1. JoeChabot

      Most hospitals in those days were run by churches. It wouldn’t be hard to create health clinics from med students that agreed to have their loans paid off by service to the clinic. Much like the peace corp. does. This would also make going to med school an affordable operation again. You have to look deeper at his philosophy to understand that it is not just based on the goodwill of man. Instead, it provides real opportunity for competition which is currently non existent because of the complexity of the system. Too much bureacracy, paperwork, and legal wrangling. I’ve lived in England and wouldn’t wish that socialistic treatment on anyone.

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  19. regisjbeakensr

    Most people under 50,000 can’t afford the insurance without work paying the cost and employees paying the rest with your policy well thouht out but drs would be screwed out of payment by everyone medical care would fail to care. the thiefs would get richer drs. would get poorer we need a crakdown on drugs i take 22 pills in one day my son takes 18 my daughter 2 so far my wife 2 so 42 prescription drugs a day. 3 i take are very addicting they can’t even weed me off them. not enough drs. is causing law suits where their making afortune something should regulate crooked lawyers insurance wouldn’t be so high if sue wasn’t a family word. i could of sued the dr. and hospital and won. but it was an honest mistake i lost .33% of heart tissue and pump 20% of blood dizzy everyday but i keep fighting fact is the drs. had just work 17 hrs. due to lack of drs. and missed something my family dr made rounds after his office closed and he gave drs. hell i was having a major heart attack if i was not in great shape i would have died. these lawyers would have eaten that up. and insurance would go up.

    lawyers are the problem in most cases 200 page bill for school year round and 6th graders can choose subjects with parental consent giving average student abachelors degree at end of 12 years saving trillions on grants and loans and housing books,etc…i just wrote the majority of a bill in one paragraph

    school taxes pay it.

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  20. JoeChabot

    I live in Lexington, this organization proves his point entirely and to their knowledge is the only one in existence: http://babyhealthlexington.org/mission-statement/ the same hospital runs one for adults. Much to my surprise, it is not overrun by illegals with a huge waiting list. Honestly, the charitable heart of these doctors is much greater than with doctors I had been paying exorbinate fees for. Mainly, the clinic is run by a handful of volunteer doctors that have a lot of assistance by residents. As a result, the care is often very thorough because residents are “practicing” what they need to do on their “real” patients. I don’t ever treat this as free and try to provide as much “donation” as I can when I visit. In any case, I believe that there is a much greater way to change our health care industry without all of this mess.

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  21. EvanEggleston

    I was rushed into emergency surgery on September 11th 2011 for an appendectomy. After I came out of surgery I was told that my insurance company just terminated me from my parents policy, it is a law in Illinois that they must cover you until the age of 25 under a parent’s family policy. I was dropped after getting the proper referral from the family physician, during the surgery. I always thought this was illegal. Now I am stuck with a ridiculously huge bill, and no more health insurance. The exact time I was given for the policy termination was Sept.11, 2011 1:15 PM I was under the knife from 12:30 to 1:45. I spoke with quite a few lawyers as well as did a lot of research on the matter. Turns out that in the contract they and almost all insurance companies now have a clause allowing them to deny and drop the policy for any reason. I have been told by now 12 lawyers who handle this thing specifically that I do not have a case, and this is more common than people realize.

    Only thing that came out of this is that instead of getting ready for the wedding that I was supposed to be best man at, while laying in the ER that morning I at least got to catch Paul Simon play the Sound of Silence at ground zero. I would have missed that otherwise…

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  22. regisjbeakensr

    i agree we need change and it starts at the top wish people had guts to impeach him. insurance companies keep getting richer and drugs keep getting richer and drs. are afraid of all the lawsuits. so their insurance raises they have to charge more there is copay even when you have 2 average health providers and deductibles. i already paid how many times do i have to do this. major corporations profit and like you said if drugs get less then drs. less then help less and so on just like cutting taxes. unfortunately because pa. is higher than west virginia and both less than california health problems should be state problems. my social security medicare problem will pay for itself forever. so most with good ins thats what has to change we pay for these lawyers trying to sue for bad drugs , drs. hospitals all these cost have to be absorbed by someone maybe we need to sit down and make hardcore laws if you sue and lose you get sued for same price because you damaged his name and people will remember cause news eats that up.at least my way you know the hosp. screwed up and unfortunately we are all making mistakes. i’m dieng but hospital made a major mistake i don’t sue but it definitely cut at least 10 yrs off my life. my family dr found problem because he knew i was in great shape 6% bodyfat now my heart pumps 20% of blood it should makes me dizzy off and on killing brain cells have alzheimers dementia still can write. god bless next subject

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  23. Tina

    If everyone out there would stop pumping themselves up with pills prescribed by a doctor and big pharma millions of people would be alot healthier. if most people would stop eating plastic (processed foods) and start eating good wholesome nutritional foods not drowning in toxic chemicals you would be healthy.If parents would start feeding their kids the right foods and not throwing some frozen nasty box into a microwave and then putting it on a fancy plate for your kid to eat, kids would be alot healthier but instead we have children at the age of 10 with diabetes,why you ask? Parents are ignorant, that’s why. Parents are responsible for the best interest of thier children, no one else. An abundance of wonderful food out there to eat and feel good and be healthy, especially the ones that are not FDA approved. :-) All of this plays a big role in out health care system.

    I for one support private insurance, each person should be responsible for their own insurance. Obamacare will have you dealing with beaurocrats, I know I am from Canada, my best friends father needed heart surgery they set a date for him 6 months later from the time his Doc said he needed it!!!!

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  24. Paul

    Pro bono medical services are something that is done out of goodwill
    As a physician my margins have been cut to the point I have had to reduce my staffing
    Quality of service as a result falls – more voicemail
    Five years ago most MDs would happily write of 10-20% of accounts, with the reduced reimbursement, increased expectations and increased malpractice risk I can no longer afford to do that.
    Healthcare depends upon good will. Criminal investigation of doctors who make billing or diocumentation errors, increased goverment regulation, being screwed by health insurance companies and bad debt have made most physican’s lives a misery.

    Ron Paul makes several sensible remarks, improve morale in healthcare and other benefits will improve.

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  25. David

    The problem with doctors being on the hook to donate services (and the requisite materials to perform those services) is that the amount they’d be required to donate varies depending on their location.

    My dad worked for 15 years in an urban hospital that was situated in the heart of the slums of that particular city. The majority of his patients were unemployed drug-users who would not or could not pay for the services he provided. When more than 60% of your patients don’t pay, that’s an unsustainable business model. The situation for a doctor who worked on the upscale western half of this city would be very different. It’s easier to provide charity when it’s not the norm, and that disparity begs the question, what hospital or doctor would choose to operate full-time in a slum? How could they without some sort of funding?

    Secondly, insurance companies are like a parasite living off the healthcare industry. They have no skills or training in medicine and are only accountable to their stock-holders to make money. They are a conduit through which most of our money travels before it reaches doctors and hospitals, and most of it doesn’t come out the other end. The average insurance company executive makes 7 and 8 figure salaries (we’re talking up to $20,000,000 a year sometimes more), and for what? That is your money and my money.

    Can you imagine how much charity hospitals could provide if they got even half the money that insurance companies keep for themselves? We should cut insurance companies out of the equation, have hospital network memberships, like being a member of a health club. Pay networks of doctors and healthcare providers directly and tightly regulate the flow of money. If you’re out of state or out of town and you don’t have a network branch in that area, you can visit whatever medical center you need to and your networks will work it out later.

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  26. nobody

    Oh; and to further add salt to the wound of doctors donating their time to help people.

    Yes, doctors do that; we typically see these as being free-clinics. Which by the way often have lines out the door. Even then you are lucky to get serviced. Imagine that; we already have that type of system and it doesn’t work. Wow, how great. This logic sounds like that one retarded candidate who suggested bartering instead of paying in money.

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    1. Charles

      Anyone who thinks Ron Paul is in this for big business knows nothing of Ron Paul. For decades, he has been warning against big business, particularly government’s coddling of them, which is why he predicted the housing crash and banking crash years before they happened.

      (Think about this: Media is made of giant corporations. Both Liberal and Conservative outlets are largely ignoring Ron Paul and trying to discredit him. Does that sound like something corporations would do to a corporate shill?)

      You and Ron Paul are in agreement as the the damaging effects of insurance providers. It is inconceivable that in the USA, our health depends on paying “protection” money to a corporation. You solve it one way – the government takes over health care, insurance is no longer an issue. Dr. Paul prefers a free market approach.

      He recognizes that insurance cannot be brought to affordable rates if people cannot do without insurance. Only when people can afford medical care without insurance will we see a drop in insurance prices. But then, you might not need it! (Exactly.)

      His plan involves getting rid of Government rules over insurances, giving more negotiating power to doctors and patients. Make the people and their doctors – not the insurers – the main customers of the drug companies. The only real hardship for doctors under Ron Paul’s ideas is that, in order to keep customers, they’ll have to woo them with their bedside manner. (Oh, the humanity!)

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  27. nobody

    Wow; the comments of the stupidity here are astounding. It’s a shame to be honest.

    Charity; you idiots actually suggest CHARITY from doctors when they work 60+ hour weeks anyways. What fucking planet do you morons live on? Lets not forget that charitable organizations now cannot even help themselves rather than the people they aim to help. And you fucking morons suggest CHARITY.

    So lets get this straight; you want people to WILLINGLY give you help (e.g. charity) rather than pay higher taxes so everyone can get help? That makes absolutely no sense if you are going to use the FORCED argument to not support universal healthcare because we ALL are forced to pay taxes like it or not.

    We need someone in govt who isn’t stupid and actually cares about the system; Ron Pay may be able to carry himself charismatically but he like most republican candidates represents big business. Deal with it. Just because he wants to end subsidies for healthcare (assuming there are any) doesn’t mean it’s going to fix the problem. The last time the govt started taking away subsidies for fuel the prices sky-rocketed; and you’ll trust that with healthcare?

    By all means obamacare sucks too because it forces me to pay into a PRIVATE system. I dont much care for being forced to give private companies my money; I’d much rather just pay a tax into a public system so I can use it as I please, just like everyone else. Why do private companies have the right to profit off of health? They shouldn’t and it sickens me that this “ron paul” would support that and people would support this idiot ron paul.

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  28. Bill

    Taking Dr. Paul’s assertion at face value, I am sure there would be some percentage of doctors who would donate pro bono time and service to those in need. Why? because they, and we, would see heart wrenching suffering at every turn. One individual doctor donating time would not supplant the array of lab services, x-rays, nursing, operating rooms, pharmacists, and therapists that are available in a comprehensive health program. And morst of all, there would be no preventative care. Without any preventative care or intervention, the health problems among the poor would amplify consistently to the terminal point. thus we would have many more acute caases, acute suffering, and any compassionate person probably would donate some time, to do what one could to alleviate somke small amount of the pain.

    I would assert that that in not health care, it is damage control.

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  29. BJ

    There is nothing preventing doctors today from donating their services free of charge, except the desire to make money. There are donated medical and dental services available today for the very poor, but there are very few and their quality of medical service is basic. Why? There’s no money to be made in charitable work. The idea that doctors would just donate their services does not hold water, ot they would be doing so today. If we don’t consider health care as a basic right, many of the poorest Americans will have none, and will suffer and die from preventable causes. . .unless, of course, Dr. Paul knows of a lot of physicians right now who are willing to donate their services–would he be generous enough to put aside a potentially profitable political career to serve the poor in this way?

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  30. Charles

    We are hooked on the idea of insurance. Somehow, people feel like paying protection money to a corporation is a good thing!

    How about we get back to where health care is affordable without insurance? People who say this can’t be done just don’t have a clue how prices got so ridiculously high to begin with. It can be undone!

    We have a right to health care. But do we have a right to other people’s time? If a doctor messes up, and we decide to sue, we’ll probably hire an attorney. The attorney has to get paid. It’s no different with the doctor in health care. If you use someone else’s time and resources, they should get compensated.

    But aside from the doctor, who profits from real services rendered, we have corporations – from insurers to drug companies to credit card companies (whom many people rely on to make the exorbitant medical payments) – getting rich off of your misfortune. That is the true travesty here.

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  31. The Average Guy

    Something both politicians and citizens seem to be missing is that the true cost of health insurance is the life of the individual. It is a complete impossibility to insure your health by shelling out dollars to a company or a medical practitioner. Just hold on thar a minute, I will break it down and then continue to elaborate.

    First of all, you will find it of interest that according to dictionary.com insure is defined as:

    1. To guarantee against loss or harm.

    2. To secure indemnity to or on, in case of loss, damage, or death.

    The word indemnity is defined according to dictionary.com as protection or security against damage or loss.

    Paying monthly premiums to an insurance company whether it be affordable or it costs you an arm and a leg does not guarantee you against the loss or damage to your health nor does it provide protection. Neither does a visit to a medical practitioner for that matter. Therefore, the mentality that paying for protection in the manner of “Health Insurance” as the foundational focus of guaranteeing yourself against the loss or damage to said health, while it seems to be generating the greatest buzz and carrying the heaviest emphasis on the campaign trail fails to do just that, insure your health. The only thing that is really insured in the worst case scenario is that as your health continues to deteriorate that your loved ones will most likely end up flipping your unpaid medical bills. Just stick with me I am leading up to a point with all of this.

    I want to clarify that I am by no means bashing buying health insurance or going to see a doctor. However, I am saying that the emphasis on the aforementioned is too great. In conjunction with paying your premiums and doctor visits if you are not taking out the time on your own to understand how the way you think, the foods you consume, the environment you work and live in chemically, physically and biologically impact not only your cells but the micro organism ecosystem that you have inside of your body then by following the conventional method you are only insuring that before you die you will have paid out a whole lot of money that most of you never got a reasonable exchange for before you die.

    The only true form of health insurance lies in being knowledgeable about how to daily maintain your health in the first place. The most detrimental thing to becoming knowledgeable about maintaining your health is the mentality that all you need to do is one certain thing or method. It is more than just taking a certain amount of supplements everyday or exercising yourself to death or flooding your body with copious amounts of water daily, and etc… You have to truly learn to understand the fragile balance internal that is in constant fluctuation due to your thoughts, external environment, diet and so on. The maladies that many find so common and fear in America are brought upon by our own lack of understanding the fragile balance that I mentioned above. Therefore, we needlessly fear diseases such as cancer that are really a natural conclusion of a specific chain of events that does lead to unfortunate death. Cancer and disease in general is a natural due process that is triggered due to ignorance of a prolonged disruption to the internal balance. Yes I am being very general and there is much more depth to that statement. My agenda is to shed some light on this particular slant on the health care issue that I see such little attention being paid to. If you wish to get a little more insight on my statement of the natural due process I mentioned above, then by all means visit my blog and read my paper Disease Origin and Theory. The link to my blog is http://theaverageguy1022.blogspot.com/

    Thank you for taking the time to hear what the Average Guy has to say.

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  32. Taylor

    I support a lot of what Dr. Paul stands for. But I have to ask:

    How will a fully privatized health care system, one that is based on free enterprise, prevent companies from acting just as greedily as the big banks have acted over the last many years? This is where government regulation is appropriate.

    In Canada, they have socialized medicine (controlled by the government) and more restrictive regulation of banks. I can tell you for a fact that the Canadian banking model is extremely healthy and is a role model for other countries. Canada did not suffer a major crash and is not in a recession like the USA. I can also tell you that the quality of health care in Canada is extremely high.

    Go Ron Paul, I hope you can bring positive change to the USA.

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  33. Terry

    After reading some of these comments…it sounds like most want FREE healthcare….free HC is not working in Europe…..

    # Insurance sales should be legalized nationally across state lines to increase competition among the insurance companies.
    # Long-term insurance policies should be available to young people similar to term-life insurances that offer fixed prices for long periods of time.
    # The principle of insurance should be remembered. Its purpose in a free market is to measure risk, not to be used synonymously with social welfare programs.

    Its about being responsible for yourself…….I would rather pay for my HC and know that I have it when I need it and it is GOOD HC…and not Gov. run, have any of you ever walked into a Veterans Hosp…it will bring you to tears.

    GO RON PAUL….2012

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    1. laurie

      Honestly, I don’t think many people really think they’re gonna get free health insurance, of course, things have changed a lot, and ALOT of people are out of work, but u c, this is what the plan is…to destroy america by getting rid of all our jobs, making us dependent on the state so they can control and rule every1 and impede upon all our lives…BIGGER PICTURE people…they even admit now, on CNN that yes, Bilderberg meetings are abt bringing in a new world order, WAIT..didn’t the 1st Bush mention that, yesss, i think so…and if u don’t know, now u know, believe me, its ABSOLUTELY true, most Americans still think it can’t happen here, why? are we any more special than anybody else? why do u think they’re are riots all over the world right now? People r tired of living the way they r…media, medicine, congress…they are all owned by top elite people like Rockefeller, Rothchild, and others, who have studied the physcology of human behavior, they know how to manipulate crowds to do what they want, they have controlled our lives for far too long, turning us all into mindless zombies who sit and stare and a tv and believe everything they throw our way…they planned all this…EVERYONE…WAKE UP!!!! They r the bankers who stole from us for decades & they want to enslave or kill all of us, they have even talked abt depopulation in they’re meetings…don’t believe me? that’s fine, one day u will c, when ur $1 can’t buy a damn thing! I have always said I hope i’m wrong but look at the evidence: they poison our food w/GMO’s, no not immediate death, a slow one, gives u diabetes, or makes u fat, or gives u cancer, they r splicing animals and food, chemtrails, chemicals in our water, the TSA patdowns now coming to a sports event near u, soon they will b everywhere pending upon ur rights! This is all about control and manipulation..they r not like u and me, they think they r Godlike and think were animals…research before u attack someone who is trying to help u WAKE UP!!!

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    2. Krissy

      Yeah, my father in law had paid into his health insurance for 35 years and they denied almost everything, he had to pay cash for chemo ($20,000 each treatment) because of the insurance hold up. I have worked in the medical field and watched people get so surprise that when they needed their health insurance the companies always tried to get out of paying. Try getting cancer and see how great your insurance is. I don’t want anything for free, I would gladly pay a tax for healthcare. We need to take the profit out of it. Why do we have Medicare then? Maybe if my father in law had made it to 62 he would still be here.

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  34. Krissy

    If I don’t have a right to healthcare in this country then neither do senior citizens, the disabled or the military and we need to stop all of those programs too. According to Ron Paul, get your own damn insurance. End Medicare, Medical and the VA. The USA is suppose to be the best place to live? I guess only if you don’t get sick.

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  35. Joan FrisinaBowles

    As a Health Information Manager for many years, I can assure you that there is one factor that is hindering any reform at this time. The complexity of the current system. It is so entwined with jobs/employment, investments/stockholders, profits/pharmaceutical industry, that it will take many people who will lose — before the people could gain — and this is not going to happen in this horrific economic climate. I can assure you that the current system is a) failing to deliver cost effective services to the majority of Americans do to corporate greed/profit/investment. b) The paperwork in the system alone would make the Average American, let alone a Congressperson go mad (if they could even understand it — which I doubt). c) The redundancy of services in hospitals, doctors offices, clinics, is inefficient, except for the minority of healthcare delivery systems. d) The technology is expensive, and patch-work systems do not help deliver effective services, and in ths economy the systems are expensive to replace/or/upgrade. e) Health-focused-care is not the norm, the focus is on disease treatment rather than prevention. f) We live in a dynamic environment and world, not static. Our congress takes far too long to act upon any solutions that could quickly have a positive effect on anything in this economy, and this needs to change. We are legislatively stuck in the stone-age. g) The economy is in such dire straights right now that making healthcare more efficient would require retraining for most healthcare providers to optimize the most current medical and science knowledge base, and implement it for consumers, and at the cost of education today — who the heck is going to do that — unless it is free! It would require layoffs where redundant services and inefficiency could be implemented ( and we can’t lay off anyone in healthcare today because of the economy, as healthcare is being praised for all the jobs it still has ( yeah.. right.. because of the waste and inefficiencies).. so we are in a double-bind. Yes. This is why Clinton backed off of the healthcare reform bills in his administration. When he and Hilary saw the complexities they had to deal with.. they ran like heck. She took one look at a Health Record and the billing process and the intwined processes with the powerful insurance industries and she ran the other way. This is a Pandoras box that most politicians who are Bought — by the insurance companies, pharmaceutical industry, not to mention the AMA… aren’t going to touch. So.. We The People keep getting duped, getting abused by the system, and keep paying and paying and paying. I have a suggestion for all of you. Don’t Get Sick!! And if you do… be prepared to endure bills you can’t understand or decipher, doctors who only act like you are worth 15 minutes of their time ( because they get paid by contact time), and dealing with your insurance carrier who will make you dizzy when you try to talk to them and understand why they “didn’t cover this or that”. :) Yes, this is the SYSTEM YOUR BOUGHT CONGRESS CREATED FOR YOU! Now fix the real problem. Change the Bought Congress. Change the system. But first, you have to learn about what it is needs to be changed. Good luck folks. By the time you figure it out… things will have changed. Don’t you love it!

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