Foreign Policy

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Look, we are bankrupt as a nation. Our army marches in Chinese boots, while our air force flies on Saudi oil. We cannot continue to enforce a Pax Americana while our southern border allows illegals and terrorists to pour into our country. And we certainly shouldn’t be footing the defense bill for countries with whom our industries compete in the global marketplace. Bring our soldiers home. Secure America first.

What is Blowback?

If you hit someone and kill their family, they will hate you and probably hit you back in the future.

That’s what blowback is all about. It seems like such a simple concept, but many of Ron Paul’s opponents for the Presidency vehemently denied its validity.

They proclaim that what our military does abroad has no effect on how the citizens of the world feel towards us. The 9/11 terrorists hated our wealth and freedom so intensely that they sacrificed their lives to prove it? (Of course, our government bombing their countries, propping up their dictators and supplying their enemies with money and weapons had nothing to do with it…)

Instead of securing our borders, we’ve been planning, initiating and waging wars of aggression. Our military is spread thin all across the planet, yet we remain involved in dangerous power plays that unnecessarily put the lives of our soldiers at risk. And we brazenly squandered the wealth of our nation as if there were no tomorrow.

It doesn’t make any sense unless you consider increasing the profits of the military-industrial complex to be in the “national interest”, no matter what the cost to the rest of us may be.

America first. That is what Ron Paul‘s national defense proposal is all about. And with America he means all Americans, not just the elite. If elected President, Ron Paul will continue his efforts to secure our borders, safely bring our troops back home, and finally overhaul the intelligence apparatus in cooperation with intelligence professionals rather than political opportunists.

Ron Paul loves America. He is one of the very few true patriots left in Washington who are actively working on protecting our freedoms, our lives and our dignity.

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917 responses to “Foreign Policy”

  1. ProudTEX

    @Colorado

    Suuuure the Palestinians are the problem! Luckily The information is no longer in the hands of big media corporation anymore and not easily be manipulated – Thanks to Internet.

    You can see here who are the true terrorist, who are the rock thrower, who needs to evacuate from the area for peaceful Palastine or Israel whatever you may want to call it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvb2JHsO_d0

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6zjnsaKXHg

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdeqXQPW7TM

    Check this disgusting act of Jews weather they are kids or adult weather they are military man or police. The crime they commit is unbelievable and sickening to stomach.

    Stop all the aid to these criminal monkeys

    Ron Paul for 2012

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  2. ProudTEX

    @Colorado . @Thomas12.

    Suuuure the Palestinians are the problem! Luckily The information is no longer in the hands of big media corporation anymore and not easily be manipulated – Thanks to Internet.

    You can see here who are the true terrorist, who are the rock thrower, who needs to evacuate from the area for peaceful Palastine or Israel whatever you may want to call it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvb2JHsO_d0

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6zjnsaKXHg

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdeqXQPW7TM

    Check this disgusting act of Jews weather they are kids or adult weather they are military man or police. The crime they commit is unbelievable and sickening to stomach.

    Stop all the aid to these criminal monkeys

    Ron Paul for 2012

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  3. Ruth1940

    Thomas12 is right about Israel. What most Americans think is true is AIPAC propaganda.http://pamolson.org/

    http://www.ifamericansknew.org

    http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/ussliberty.html

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    1. ProudTEX

      @Ruth1940 Loved the article by Michael Rivero. Thanks for sharing

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  4. Sean_Hellems

    Ron Paul is a proponent of free trade and rejects protectionism, advocating “conducting open trade, travel, communication, and diplomacy with other nations.” He opposes many free trade agreements (FTAs), like the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), stating that “free-trade agreements are really managed trade” and serve special interests and big business, not citizens.”

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  5. Sean_Hellems

    Where’s the evidence that he wants to close free trade? Ron Paul is the biggest advocate of free trade. I’m confused.

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  6. Colorado

    Like a typical RPer and Democrat one in the same. You guys think you are smarter or better then others. Funny really that you would attack grammar as the start of your ATTACK. Again you are saying I should check my facts, yet turn around and get your facts wrong. The Bible doesn’t promote hate or the spread of religion by the sword. Or that the Bible makes you KILL those that will not convert. Grow up dude and LEARN something, typical bigot unwilling to look at the ALL the facts As far as writing like a forth grader my writing skills don’t change the facts. Look maybe you are just young or just not experienced in life to know what matters in life. I have seen and done more things in my life then most people would do in 10 lives. I have killed, I have saved lives, I have see all sides of life and death, hatred and love so don’t come at me like you understand me or anything about what I know or whom I know. Unlike most people I understand human nature because I have seen a done a lot. I have fought next to Muslims and killed a few myself and I know Jews as well. You know what I really don’t even know why I am justifying myself, but I guess it is my need to help those that are incapable of helping themselves

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    1. Sean_Hellems

      @Colorado You are really bad at not looking at things in context. The Qur’an makes it clear that the “unbelievers” that are worthy to being fought against, are those that use force to show their unbelief. There are however, specific occasions at that time were Muslims are told to fight to secure their lands against infidels. Just as the Israelites were told to kill every man, woman and child in Canaan, and to that those who were unbelievers once their cities were established, were to be killed. These were specific situations. Of course, we don’t go around saying that Jews, who follow the old testament are terrorists….we need to look at all literature in context.

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    2. Colorado

      @Sean_Hellems Keep reading the Quran and don’t forget conveniently the other parts that require killing those that will not convert. Also, bad excuse or reference about old testament due to the fact was thousands of years ago and the Quran which still is killing people on a daily occurrence around the world. It is funny how you say I am REALLY BAD AT LOOKING AT THINGS IN CONTEXT, but yet did it never occurred to you that you were not looking at it in context. Typical or extremes of both parties and the weird wing of Paul supporters. One thing I haven’t seen is people here saying 9/11 was an inside job so good job on that

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  7. ExLonghorn

    No, I don’t underestimate the risk China poses to Taiwan at all. I also don’t really care. Taiwan is making a great deal of money and they can look after their own defense. Israel is a small country, and is doing a pretty good job against determined enemies. In fact, i like the idea of American businesses finally understanding the risks associated with off-shoring their supply chains to at-risk countries.

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  8. ExLonghorn

    My guess is The Taiwan Relations Act (TRA; Pub.L. 96-8, 93 Stat. 14, enacted April 10, 1979; H.R. 2479) determines out approach.

    The act stipulates that the United States will “consider any effort to determine the future of Taiwan by other than peaceful means, including by boycotts or embargoes, a threat to the peace and security of the Western Pacific area and of grave concern to the United States”. Basically, it encourages us to defend Taiwan. My guess is that Ron Paul would stay out of it, however. Of course a lot of U.S. companies have their products made in Taiwan. Companies would likely drop all investment in Taiwan and China if China made such a silly move. I just don’t think China would risk the business repercussions.

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  9. Thomas12

    To Colorado below:

    It’s just the same old tired right wing slur. You are clearly brainwashed with anti-muslim propaganda and hatred that are greatly designed to do just so.

    What is your knowledge of events in the middle east prior to 9/11 ? People who were following those events and analysing them knew it was coming. There were demonstrations all over the muslim world over the isreali terrorism agains the palestinians. That CNN and Fox News eclipsed those events does not mean they were unimportant. The alqaeda said shortly after that they did it “because of the israeli aggression against the palestinian people”. I dont see religious extremism in that statement, do you see it?

    Try to listen and read more from different sources because you are totally flat wrong.Religious extremism exists on every religion (including yours) but anger over being wronged is the great motivator for evil(revenge). Just remember,aggressive, opinionated and hard headed persons will isolate themselves eventually; intervention will lead to isolationism that is.

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    1. Colorado

      @Thomas12 Well JACK Butt I was in the Middle East Prior to 9/11 were you? And I can assure you I have read and understand far more about the Israeli situation then you. By your ignorant statement “because of the israeli aggression against the palestinian people” your either young age or biased religious affiliation either way you are wrong in your statement do some reading yourself because you clearly have NO IDEA what is going on with the Palestinian and Israeli problem. The Palestinian’s are the problem and continue to be the problem.

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      1. Sean_Hellems

        @Colorado @Thomas12 Not according to reality. It is the Israelis that constantly use bulldozers to destroy homes of Palestinians to make room for Jewish settlements. The settlers treat the Palestinian arabs like dirt. It is the Israelis that steal and destroy crops, taking away people’s livelihoods. It is the Israelis that build walls and roadblocks which prevent people from getting work. It is the Israeli military that uses Palestinian kids as human shields. The Palestinians are fighting back because of the wrongs constantly committed by the zionist state of Israel. This is why the most orthodox Jews oppose zionism and the state of Israel.

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        1. Colorado

          @Sean_Hellems@Thomas12 Wow you people amaze me with the half truths and leaving out convenient facts so to make it like the POOR Palestinian people. Israel could easily solve the problem and wipe them off the map. If Israel was so bad why didn’t they do it? Because THEY are the ones trying to live in peace not the other way around. Israel could easily take over most of that entire region with little problem. But they don’t and try and live in peace, they only fire back AFTER they are attacked

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        2. ExLonghorn

          @Colorado @Sean_Hellems@Thomas12 So Israel attacked Iraq’s nuclear reactor in 1981 after Iraq attacked them?

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        3. Colorado

          @ExLonghorn@Sean_Hellems@Thomas12 Ever heard the term the best defense is a good offense. Based on your comments it sounds like you are the type of person that will wait to get hit then start to prepare for a fight that has already come. Another words a PUSSY

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        4. JGuy07

          I haven’t read majority of your statements or the rebuttals against you, but with my education I feel as if I can make a valid judgement and opinion. There are NUMEROUS terror groups stemming from Palestine. These groups aim for nothing more but killing jews, and those that side with them. I am also tired of people believing that Palestine is the oppressed just because Israel is a more dominant state and all news programs display are poverty stricken civilains depicted as being pushed around by the Israel military. People don’t understand that conflicts like this have been going on for generations, decades, centuries and more. It isn’t a simple answer for why, the reason is deep and twisted amongst several things. Major one, religion. Top reason why the Muslim world dislikes Israel and the U.S. is because of religion. True Islam is different, yet with every generation growing up in todays world they follow the more radical views. It will never end. If tables were turned on all these people that say blame Israel and blame U.S. they wouldn’t think the way they do anymore. Being surrounded by nations who wishes to annihilate your existence based of your religion being different and you living on “holy land’ which apparently seems to encompass the majority of anywhere Muslims live. @Colorado @Sean_Hellems @Thomas12

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      2. john lockes ghost

        It’s like the old puzzle about which came first the chicken or the egg. Historically, both Jew and Arab, can lay claim to the are that contains Israel and Palestine and, guess what? Before and during WWI both Jews and Arabs got along well with each other. During WWI, the Arabs allied themselves with the British as long as the British would guarantee their autonomy over their lands. The French, however, and even though they had little to nothing to do with the area, demanded that the area constituting what was historically Jewish should be set aside for the Jews. The insistence for doing so originated with one Baron Rothchild. Afterward, the European nations began carving up the middle east pie and the British renigged on their promise to the Arabs, thus betraying them. Although the idea of Zionism was founded somewhere around 1880, they didn’t really get busy until after WWII when the world at large felt sympathy toward them as a consequence of the brutal and murderous treatment by Nazi Germany. Once that began, however, and the Arabs that live in what has become Israel began to be displaced, that’s when all the trouble escalated to war. Wars, BTW, that we should stay the hell away from just as we should avoid military involvement in other nation’s affairs. @Colorado @Thomas12

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  10. Thomas12

    To Colorado below:

    It’s just the same old tired right wing slur. You are clearly brainwashed with anti-muslim propaganda and hatred that are greatly designed to do just so. Try to listen and read more from differenet sources because you are totally flat wrong.Religious extremism exists on every religion (including yours) but anger over being wronged is the great motivator for evil(revenge). Just remember,aggressive, opinionated and hard headed persons will isolate themselves eventually.

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  11. steve80

    If we neglect our treaty obligations might not that cause blowback?

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    1. Colorado

      @steve80 These weird Paul people don’t give a damm about treaties or anything other then singing songs that make the whole world sing. Can’t we all live in peace, come on they only hit us because we bombed them!!! These people are crazy and Naive not to mention NO UNDERSTANDING about defense honor and integrity!!

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      1. Sean_Hellems

        @Colorado @steve80 have you read the 9/11 commission report? They attacked us because we have been bombing the Muslim nation of Iraq of ten years. We crippled their economy. We support, with our money, Israel, who they see as racist occupiers. We, a “Christian” nation as we like to call ourselves, placed our “Christian” army in Saudi-Arabia, which holds the holiest sites of Islam. That was an outright attack on Islam. But you of course know that they really just attacked us because of their religion and because of our freedoms. Sure, their religion provided JUSTIFICATION, but it was not the reason that they attacked us. I suppose that if we attack Iran and they rise up and fight us, it will be because of their religion and because they hate our freedoms, as opposed to the obvious reason: we attacked them.

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        1. Colorado

          @Sean_Hellems@steve80 We were invited to Saudi not invaded good try though. And if a book says something by God lets go out and kill 3000 innocent civilalns. Because 1 man got mad because the kingdom chose us to defend them and not OBL

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        2. JGuy07

          As if the United States acts alone? As if the United States doesn’t take action based off requests from other nations or groups such as the UN? People conveniently seem to forget these things when trying to make sense of their arguments. The royal family in SA ALLOWED the so called “infidel” into their land. Bottom line, NOT an attack on their “holy land”. And the Muslim faith DOES NOT provide reason or justification as you think it does or mentioned it gives them. There is a difference between a true muslim, and a radical extremist. If I were to dig through my notebook I could find a name, but it would take too much time. Many years ago a man, Muslim, wrote his own version of what he believed the quron should be interpreted as. This book later became known as a radical extremists viewpoint in which followers began to act upon. Simply meaning, this ONE man began to sway an entire religion. Over time and generations, with wars going on and the anti-Israel/Jew movement continued as it ALWAYS had since before the times of the Crusades Muslims actually began to follow this viewpoint of ONE man as what the Quran REALLY is. It is a FALSE belief viewpoint and nothing like what a Muslim should behave and believe. In this book he exclaims that ALL followers of the prophet are brothers and have the right to put themselves on a pedestal over those who do not follow the same way as they do. Ever heard the ‘rule’ that Muslims are brothers and aren’t allowed to knowingly take the life of another Muslim? That’s false too, they do it everyday! Overall bottom line being all this difference in religion and nonsense is nothing but centuries of continued hatred. Not because we fought the Gulf War, not because we stand beside freedoms (although our society and rules disgust them so we should die?), not because we bombed them (not innocents, yet terror groups), not because we stick our nose in all over the world, yet for pure simple hatred that many people have continued to try and justify yet can only spew out nonsense and petty differences. @Sean_Hellems @Colorado @steve80

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        3. Colorado

          @JGuy07@Sean_Hellems@steve80 Very well put, but I am sure the nut jobbers will say it is ALL a lie. Because truth and facts do not apply to them. But you are dead on and this is what I was trying to say but get so mad at their unwillingness to look at other possible truths. But you put it perfectly TY

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        4. JGuy07

          @Colorado @Sean_Hellems@steve80 I could’ve kept going using different topics with relation to each other based on this whole “war on terror” and how religion has effected things. My major in school in which I received my bachelors was Homeland Security. All the information I’ve learned and spent time gathering in my 4 years of the program as well as law enforcement have given me a broader and more open view on the world. Which some people still seem to lack. I can even relate things I’ve seen, as far as documents and evidence are concerned, that I can attach to our security measures with TSA in the airports. Everything has a connection, yet most people are unwilling to seek facts and real world knowledge before they place their opinion or vote for something. At the young age of 23 I feel I know more than majority of citizens as it pertains to homeland security and this “war on terror”. I’ve seen evidence; including documents, audio and video, and pictures which have given me the knowledge to voice my opinion as I believe it true. I really did mean it when I said I can dig for that man’s as I posted earlier in my notebook but it would take far too much time. I could’ve written a novel on here last night….but it would’ve been for nothing as you put it, it would’ve been seen as a lie. People can believe what they want, but the ‘wisdom’ of someone who is deaf, dumb, and blind doesn’t reach very far.

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    2. Sean_Hellems

      @steve80 The Constitution comes before any “treaty” Our troops are meant to defend THIS nation.

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  12. john lockes ghost

    Actually, it would be good for our economy. Globalization has pitted middle class workers against the nearly slave labor employed by foreign countries. As a consequence, our jobs have gone overseas along with our money. The balance of payments keeps growing because goods that were previously manufactured in the United States are now imported to the United States. I wrote elsewhere in this blog, the reason why globalization is a bad thing for the United States and how it is destroying our economy.

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    1. ExLonghorn

      @john lockes ghost JLG, I have mixed opinions on this. IF we send low-skill jobs that are DDD (dirty, dull, or dangerous) overseas and we continue to educate our own workforce, then our citizens would enjoy the advantages of high-skill, high-pay jobs. I fear part of the problem comes from Americans who want to do medium-to-low skill jobs, but who also expect to get pay well above the overseas competition. If we are exporting software, high tech goods, and goods requiring advanced manufacturing processes (carbon fiber, nanotech, etc.) and importing relatively low talent content goods, this works in our favor. One problem comes from not having enough Americans stepping up to take these higher-skill jobs….not enough engineers, researchers, programmers, designers and skilled labor (CNC machinsts, etc.) to fill the roles we need. Why? Because some Americans are honestly a bit lazy and unfocused. Globalization should only be squeezing low skill jobs in manufacturing. Even low skill service jobs don’t have a great deal of foreign competition. If our low skill manufacturing labor were upgrading its skills to be CNC programmers and machinists, electrical technicians, robotics programmers, moldmakers, and so on…we wouldn’t have such a problem.

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      1. john lockes ghost

        @ExLonghorn The problem is that it’s not just the low skill jobs being sent overseas (although I don’t view manufacturing jobs as low skill) it’s high tech jobs in the IT industries and good ole Bill Gates is the biggest offender. These kinds of jobs go mostly to India, but likely to China, also. Additionally, foreign workers come to the U.S. on special visas and take away American jobs because they underbid Americans. The consequence is that the unemployed and under employed are filled with Americans that have been displaced by ill-conceived and misguided programs in the name of globalization. Globalization might be great for management, but it is anathema to labor. By moving our manufacturing capabilities overseas, you are also moving that skill set overseas with it and, in time, you won’t have the capability to fabricate anything. You mentioned machinists. Did you know that we have such a severe shortage of skilled machinists that were a gun turret on an Abrams tank fail due to a worn out part, that the entire turret must be replaced because we lack the machinists to do the repairs? Now, I’m not militaristic by any means, but there may come a time when we actually do have to defend our nation and I sure as hell don’t want to have to hire foreign workers to repair our equipment. @john lockes ghost

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      2. lucky85

        It’s not just “low-skill” jobs that are being outsourced, almost all job classes are being outsourced now including programmers, healthcare professionals, and many trades. This environment has been encouraged by the repugs, who have passed tax incentives for companies to “EXPORT” jobs out of the country, Obama is working to reverse this situation.

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      3. xstortionist

        @lucky85 I didn’t know playing Golf was considered working.

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      4. lucky85

        We’re in a dire situation now where jobs are being lost by the boatloads both because both bad legislation pushed in the past by the repugs, and corporations who care about nothing but the bottom line. Unless this situation is changed, things will only get worse.

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      5. john lockes ghost

        The dems are also to blame. @lucky85

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      6. john lockes ghost

        How long does it take? Obama and the democrats had the opportunity to reverse things, but chose, instead, to create an ill-defined system of health care that will cost the American taxpayers more than they can afford at a time when money becomes more precious. @lucky85

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      7. lucky85

        This was not created by Obama, it wasn’t what he wanted at all. This was a much watered-down version of a healthcare bill thanks mainly to the repugs, who want to keep the status quo.

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  13. Colorado

    Look people read the Bible and the Quran and use some logic and you will see that the Quran is generated from the devil period!!! Call me what ever you want but, if you think not that is your choice but I have and understand the bases of both books. I have lived in the middle east and don’t believe Muslim’s are evil they are just being fooled by history. People will understand through time, people whom think that are smarter then the rest of the world by being atheist, but they are a religion by definition. People are saying a bigot of hater or what ever. Bottom line is that I know what freedom is and what it takes. I have fought for this country, including side by side with Muslims. Until you are willing to put YOUR life online for others expecting nothing in return, you have no right to judge me or claim to know what I am thinking. I have sacrificed and given a life of pain and mobility for my country and I am saying that Paul will do nothing but divide this country if not finish this country off. He is a joke and should not even be in the race as Michelle Bachman should not have been.

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    1. PaulECunningham

      @Colorado You are absolutely right about Paul dividing the country. He will work toward dividing it into about 312,815,549 “groups” each with equal rights.

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    2. Thomas12

      Colorado, you have no proof of what you said, i can only smell brainwashing and hatred. Try to read more from differnet sources because you are totally flat wrong.

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    3. Thomas12

      It’s just the same old tired right wing slur. You are clearly brainwashed with anti-muslim propaganda and hatred that are greatly designed to do just so. Try to listen and read more from differenet sources because you are totally flat wrong.Religious extremism exists on every religion (including yours) but anger over being wronged is the great motivator for evil(revenge). Just remember,aggressive, opinionated and hard headed persons will isolate themselves eventually.

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    4. Sean_Hellems

      @Colorado Bring our military back to this country to defend this country and we shouldn’t have to worry about people attacking us. You can take this “go get them before they come get us” mentality, but I assure you, WE’D HAVE TO BE FIGHTING WAR ALL OVER THE WORLD because they are all over the world.

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    5. john lockes ghost

      Had you spent any time in the middle east as you declare, why didn’t you take the time to increase your knowledge about the place, rather than rant on about religion. and your sacrifices. etc. Are we to infer (because you omitted the reason you were in the middle east) from your rant that you were in the military, or is it that you were a native?

      If in the military (which, somehow seems unlikely), then you were an invader, an invader of a country formed at the peace talks following WWI, a country in which Winston Churchill would question the sanity of anybody that would invade it. A country that without an despot at the helm, would know no peace, a country where in spite of all the evidence to the contrary, we insisted on invading and modeling after our own.

      In short, a country that would have been much better off had we left it alone and where we would also have been much better off for the same reason.

      As regards to Ron Paul, his non-interventionist foreign policy is, in actuality, more in keeping with this nation’s philosophic basis than our current foreign policy. Google “what if” and find out what he really means when he talks about foreign policy..

      @Colorado

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      1. Colorado

        @john lockes ghost Well dip shit I was in the Military and as far as you saying the country would have been better off being left alone ask the majority of the people and I can assure you they are glad to be rid of Saddam but of course you RP ers know everything. That is what is the scariest of all is you guy THINK you are smarter then everybody else. Just like democrats who think they are smarter then everybody else. 2 sides of the same coin

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        1. john lockes ghost

          @Colorado You really are ignorant! When Iraq was formed, it was nothing more than drawing some lines on a map of the middle east and declaring it to be known as Iraq. No thought whatever was given to the religious connection of the various people that would reside within these arbitrary boundaries. For your information, dimwit, the people within the boundaries consisted of ancient rivalries that have built into their character centuries of hatred toward one another. So, as was required to maintain some level of peace, a ruthless leader was needed and over these same numbers of centuries, whenever such a leader prevailed, a level of peace was maintained. Obviously, not everyone benefited. So it was with Sadaam Hussein. He was the required ruthless leader and unseating him, we produced a vacuum, a vacuum we tried to fill by imposing our ideas about government on them, leaving them with a Shiite in charge. A Shiite who is likely acceptable to the largest Shiite nation in the region, namely, Iran, and unacceptable to the largest Sunni nation in the region, Saudi Arabia. So, if you find people there that think everything is peachy keen, it’s likely that they are Shiites because Sunnis are too busy bombing then to waste their time in idle chit-chat.

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        2. Colorado

          @john lockes ghost Well no shit sherlock as far as the rivalries, but removing them and implementing an election system will give them the CHANCE have a voice in their lives as apposed to NOT having a voice. So DIP SHIT since you like the name calling worse case part of the country gets absorbed into Iran or it remains divided 3 was between the Sunnis, Shias and the Kurds. But your idea is to just lets them have no chance at a life and leave a dictator int here. That makes a whole lot of sense too. See the bottom line is you have an unstable situation with or without Saddam and we will have to take care or Iran in short order so they shouldn’t be a problem at least once we get a president with some balls. And we also have a plan to retake Iraq if Iran tried to take it over. So for you simple minded individuals LEARN something and remember people are smarter then you are running situations in think tanks everyday. So for you feeble minded people which do not understand how the government or military works, why don’t you stick to playing video games in your mothers basement and let the grown ups handle the real world!

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        3. Colorado

          @john lockes ghost Did I touch a little nerve with you seems like you are awfully upset. It’s okay maybe if you a good boy and play nice we will get you some ice cream.

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        4. john lockes ghost

          @Colorado , Your problem is that you don’t know when to leave well enough alone. Interventionism being the only apparent thing that either knuckle dragging chest thumpers, or war profiteers advocate are not good for our nation, but, in the long run, sap us of our treasury, our military and our resolve to actually defend our country when it becomes necessary. However, I suppose that that’s just too deep for you to understand.

          As regards to what you perceive as my idea to leave other people in other nations alone to fend for themselves and solve their own problems, rather than adopting the misguided notion than we can solve all of their problems for them, DAMN STRAIGHT!

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  14. NewtorRomney

    I am only 12 years old but i know what this is doing is wrong. He wants to end free trade agreements with many countries and i think that will get us into even more debt. He says we should pull our troops out of foreign countries which i think is good and bad. Good – less lives lost Bad – we could be vulnerable for a second 9/11 but if he wants to pull the troops out knowing congress i will take many months .

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    1. Inzababa

      @NewtorRomney kid the whole point about this is that

      a) the “troops abroad” (to use your words) didn’t stop 9/11

      b) in fact they caused it

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      1. NewtorRomney

        @Inzababa look after the gulf war (not much of a war) was over we kept 5000 troops in Saudi Arabia for operation Southern Watch which enforced a no fly zone over southern Iraq and we protected the 5th fleet in the Persian Gulf. I think if our troops were not there AL Quida would have grown stronger and very more ambitious and they would have started entering even more countries. And getting more troops to fight for their side. And once they have entered the other countries they would start taking over the oil fields. And then once the oil ran out the economy would get even worse and our national oil reserve would then run out and then next thing you know al quida sees that were weak and then were taken over or attacked. So my point is that sometimes you have to sacrifice lives to keep the home front safe.

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        1. Inzababa

          @NewtorRomney

          Do you know why Al Quida has so much hate against the US?

          Which lives were sacrificed in order to save who?

          PS the oil fields are not “yours”, unless they are in your country. (well that’s how it’s supposed to be…..)

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        2. NewtorRomney

          @Inzababa look if we leave the middle east they will take over the oil fields and then guess what? No oil. Which means economy crashes and america corrupts even more. We need to be able to restrain al quida because they will just get stronger and then guess what? They attack other countries and guess what? They attack us. Haven’t you noticed the presidents have always said that they are gonna pull the troops out? Well… it hasn’t happened. So if ever pull out the troops guess what will happen? Al quida will start attacking other countries and guess what? The countries that are attacked will then start begging for us to help. So I think the wise choice to do is keep the troops there and do the job right the first time.

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        3. NewtorRomney

          @Inzababa

          Oh yea did you know that ron paul wants to end all trade agreements with all countries so if Jihad dosent get us Ron Paul will

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        4. Inzababa

          @NewtorRomney you don’t answer my questions, I won’t answer yours.

          I think that’s a fair arrangement ;)

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        5. ExLonghorn

          @NewtorRomney@Inzababa You’re either dumb or lazy…which is it? If you’re able to follow simple instructions, drag your mouse pointer up to the “Issues” tab, and click on Foreign Policy. read what is written there. Your post is now proven incorrect. Paul wants to trade, he just doesn’t want to get involved militarily…big difference.

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        6. Inzababa

          @ExLonghorn@NewtorRomney ah, thought you were “talking to me” hehe

          “YOU TALKING TO ME??” lol

          reading that first sentence of yours immediately creates a “war like” instinctive reaction.

          come to think of it, that’s ironic considering you support Ron Paul’s policies on “foreign aid”.

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        7. john lockes ghost

          You don’t really understand these so-called fair trade agreements, do you? They are all part of globalization which, as I have stated below, is bad news for America and ought to be stopped. @NewtorRomney @Inzababa

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        8. Inzababa

          @john lockes ghost@NewtorRomney you as well are speaking to NewtorRomney right?

          by the way “globalisation” isn’t bad for America, though that’s maybe another topic?

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        9. chris7755

          @NewtorRomney

          Just to let you know, most of our oil doesn’t come from the middle east. most of our oil comes from Venesuala. We need to reduce our dependancy on foreign oil all together.

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        10. ExLonghorn

          @Inzababa@NewtorRomney yeah, that wasn’t good of me. Sorry. i get frustrated by people who are so hopelessly uneducated, and who demonstrate no desire to TRY to learn.

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        11. Sean_Hellems

          @NewtorRomney@Inzababa “trade agreements” aren’t truly free trade.

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        12. Sean_Hellems

          @NewtorRomney@Inzababa No one will be getting us if we bring our military back to defend this nation.

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        13. Inzababa

          @Sean_Hellems@NewtorRomney

          it’s cheezy, it’s a cliché, it’s kinky, it’s what naive “dirty hippies” say, (and new age bright eyed optimists, tree huggers, peace warriors etc)

          but it’s true, it’s a fact, and I would seriously, sincerely challenge anyone to demonstrate that this isn’t true :

          that violence, hostility and aggression feeds and develops violence, hostility and aggression.

          In ALL cases, at ALL times, EVERY time.

          Except in one single case :

          when the subject of that violence, hostility, and/or aggression (and anyone that is related to that subject) is exterminated.

          (this includes part of a subject, for example, a “feeling” that is shocked out so that the person sees things differently, just as you would slap someone to wake him up)

          I claim this openly and challenge anyone to prove me wrong.

          Cause worst case scenario, if someone did prove me wrong, I will have learned something ;)

          But if it’s true, then the USA and its foreign policies is a root cause of hate, violence, aggression and hostility that has developed and is developing across the world.

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        14. john lockes ghost

          Globalization is the force behind the loss of American jobs and the deflationary effect on the middle class. There could be no other explanation when you pit the wages of American workers against those of the rest of the world. It caused businesses to outsource their labor requirements and/or offshore their companies. If you page downward in this blog, I explain why this is so and its ultimate effect on the economy.

          @Inzababa@NewtorRomney

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    2. PaulECunningham

      @NewtorRomney Yes, it would really suck if we gave America favored trade status and replaced the income tax with American jobs. My paycheck would go up about 40%, and the folks in other countries who buy our goods will have to pay tariffs. What’s fair to America about NAFTA?

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    3. chris7755

      @NewtorRomney

      bring our troops home is good all around. We would be less vulnerable actually. Say we get attacked again, how are our troops in the middle east and all the other countries where we have bases supposed to help america? at least if we bring them home they would be able to help.

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    4. chris7755

      @NewtorRomney

      bringing our troops home would not have a “bad” side. If another country wants to attack us, they are going to do it wheather we have troops else where or not. We currently have troops in so many different countries. say we get attacked again. How are our troops in austrails and countless countries going to be able to help here in america?

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      1. Colorado

        @chris7755@NewtorRomney First of all troops here would not have stopped 9/11 and we have plenty of troops here year round know that facts

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    5. john lockes ghost

      Has it occurred to you that 911 may have occurred because of our interference in the internal affairs of other countries? That doing so radicalized people against us? Our misconceived and misguided military expedition in Iraq caused an increase in that radicalization and served as their rallying cry and, therefore, increased their numbers rather than decreasing them? BTW, you don’t hear any of the republican politicians admitting to any kind of association with the idiot bush and his idiot vp cheney, do you? @NewtorRomney

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      1. Colorado

        @john lockes ghost@NewtorRomney Again wrong on history and chain of events. But no matter what FACTS are shown to you RPers you will continue to deny or make excuses. And as far as Bush and Chaney they were great for the first 6 years and kinda gave up caring the last to years.

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        1. ExLonghorn

          @Colorado @john lockes ghost@NewtorRomney Great for six years?!? Are you kidding???? Besides the Patriot Act and Housing bubble…

          2002 – Yemen. On November 3, 2002, an American MQ-1 Predator fired a Hellfire missile at a car in Yemen killing Qaed Salim Sinan al-Harethi, an al-Qaeda leader thought to be responsible for the USS Cole bombing.

          2002 – Philippines. OEF-Philippines. January 2002 U.S. “combat-equipped and combat support forces” have been deployed to the Philippines to train with, assist and advise the Philippines’ Armed Forces in enhancing their “counterterrorist capabilities.”

          2002 – Côte d’Ivoire. On September 25, 2002, in response to a rebellion in Côte d’Ivoire, US military personnel went into Côte d’Ivoire to assist in the evacuation of American citizens from Bouake.

          2003–2011 – War in Iraq. Operation Iraqi Freedom. March 20, 2003. The United States leads a coalition that includes Britain, Australia and Spain to invade Iraq with the stated goal being “to disarm Iraq in pursuit of peace, stability, and security both in the Gulf region and in the United States.”

          2003 – Georgia and Djibouti. “US combat equipped and support forces” had been deployed to Georgia and Djibouti to help in enhancing their “counterterrorist capabilities.”

          2004 – Haiti. 2004 Haïti rebellion occurs. The US sent first sent 55 combat equipped military personnel to augment the US Embassy security forces there and to protect American citizens and property in light. Later 200 additional US combat-equipped, military personnel were sent to prepare the way for a UN Multinational Interim Force.

          2004 – War on Terrorism: US anti-terror related activities were underway in Georgia, Djibouti, Kenya, Ethiopia, Yemen, and Eritrea.

          2004–present: Multiple drone attacks in Pakistan

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    6. Colorado

      @NewtorRomney Kid you seem far wiser then the some of the adults making comments here good for you

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  15. spec2424

    Bill from Texas, your gov’t, especially the Libs, are responsible for sending “our business” to China. How in the hell do you expect Americans to compete with a country that makes goods for less than 1/2 what Americans can make them for. You can’t. Businesses send jobs overseas because it’s cheap labor, it’s cheap labor because the regulations in this country cause the price of EVERYTHING to rise sky high! Regulations passed by our gov’t, year after year after year. And you have the gall to blame “neo-cons”? When you hear people complaining about “jobs” going overseas you can rest assured they have no idea what they’re talking about.

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    1. john lockes ghost

      spec2424, actually, it’s the concept of Globalization. What globalization does is enlarge the labor pool as bounded by a single nation such as, for example, the United States to a boundless international entity. The consequence is that the cost of labor plummets to a level that American workers can’t survive on the income and businesses that would otherwise hire them choose to either outsource their labor requirement, or off-shore their businesses. The demand for product remains, at first, but it too will diminish over time as the public’s purchasing power also diminished. Additionally, our indebtedness to foreign countries grows because more and more product in imported. Globalization, in short, is anathema to our labor pool and, sooner or later, will prove to be anathema to the nation.

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  16. Dumbunny

    If we used hundreds of billions of dollars we spend on securing our foreign oil interests, to build a useful high speed rail system and electric cars instead. We could tell the middle east to keep their oil and shove it. Then we wouldn’t need to go cruising around the Persian Gulf at all!

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    1. john lockes ghost

      Actually, we don’t have to go to that extreme. We have, at minimum, more raw energy (oil and natural gas) that Saudi Arabia. At present, we are actually exporting refined fuels. What holds us back is the military-industrial complex and their influence on foreign policy. Their interference is the logjam preventing energy independence. @Dumbunny

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      1. DumbBunny

        @john lockes ghost@Dumbunny Why don’t we stop bombing people, tell the middle east to keep their crude and shove it. Then use the oil we already have to keep our cars puttin’ around while we create lots and lots of jobs from the money we save on bombs to build a new infrastructure that doesn’t require oil. We could save the earth AND our economy! ^_^

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  17. jfb

    Regarding Iran, it seems that Obama has painted himself in a corner.

    4 days ago Iran has banned the US from sending further warship in the Persian Gulf. There are 2 lanes of about 3km to get in/out of the strait. Ships that want to get out use the Oman territorial waters. Ships that are getting in at the narrowest point are mostly within Oman territorial water, however 50 miles after the waters are too shallow on that side, big ships like carriers need to go within the territorial waters of Iran.

    Iran and the USA have signed the 1982 UN Convention on the Law of the Sea but none of them has ratified it. So Iran is not legally binded. However Iran is binded by the 1958 Geneva Conventions on the Law of the Sea, and one paragraph is mentionning contiguous water ( so in their view Oman territorial waters), so Iran can use 2 legal pretexts, on at the narrowest point, one further away in their own zone. In addition they have a claim on many islands, includind the island of Abu Mussa, where Iranian troops are stationned. So it is virtually impossible for a US carrier that gets in to avoid iranian territorial waters.

    Following the US decision to “punish” any Iran customer who buy their oil, the Iranians have just shown that they don’t care about being at war with the USA. Prior to those new sanctions they used to allow the warships in in order to avoid a useless war, but they have obviously concluded that a war is unavoidable. It probably came as a nasty surprise for Obama since he wanted to avoid a war with Iran and the huge economic schock (blowback) prior to the elections, his plan was solely to speak loudly and choke the Iranian economy slowly. But the Iranians will not give him just what he wants, but much more. All what they want now is a legal pretext, e.g. a US warship entering their territorial waters.

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    1. Inzababa

      @jfb “””But the Iranians will not give him just what he wants, but much more.”””

      What is it that “Obama” actually wants? (re Iran)

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  18. Inzababa

    @nonpartisanbrit or this?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16438584

    Quote :

    China’s state media have warned the US against “flexing its muscles” after Washington unveiled a defence review switching focus to the Asia-Pacific.

    In an editorial, official news agency Xinhua said President Barack Obama’s move to increase US presence in the region could come as a welcome boost to stability and prosperity.

    But it said any US militarism could create ill will and “endanger peace”.

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  19. Inzababa

    @nonpartisanbrit really ?

    what’s this about then?

    http://youtu.be/JL5_QzrTXgY

    quote :

    “China has voiced its concerns over a US military deployment in Australia, announced by Obama during his visit to the country. The new plan will see 250 US Marines begin a rotation in northern Australia next year, with a full force of 2,500 military personnel being deployed over the next several years.Meanwhile, the Pentagon will provide Australia with six C17 globemasters, currently considered the best transport aircraft in the world. According to the US President, this policy shift goes beyond Australia, affecting the region as a whole. Barack Obama said, “I am making it clear that the United States is stepping up its commitment to the entire Asia-Pacific.””

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  20. jovan

    This man has my total respect. He speaks truth to power. Doesn’t tell you something to get an applause out of you. Tells you the truth because he cares about the future of our nation first and foremost.

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  21. nonpartisanbrit

    As an 18 year old Brit, I see America neither with great love nor contempt, but what I will say now in our globalised world is that the USA is not some exceptional political hegemond that can pursue its own foreign policy agenda any more. We over here are terrified of world war three being started by a few hysterical, christian-fundamentalist neo-cons in America propagating conflict with China, when it could be resolved peacefully if America just backed down. The world is changing and America just has to accept that. Ron Paul I believe is on the right lines here with his relatively peaceful (when compared to other Republicans) foreign policy.

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    1. spec2424

      @nonpartisanbrit 18? you need to grow up some before making that kind of statement. If America would just back down? Hey, if England had just backed down during Hitler’s rein everything would’ve been great right? Or maybe America shoulda backed down with the Soviets. Grand idea. Thank the luxury and freedom you have on the fact that America didn’t back down!

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      1. SmackAttack

        @spec2424@nonpartisanbrit Spec 2424 you really don’t have point Bipartisan isn’t saying he would have backed down to Hitler. In WWII the Rhineland was conceded back to Germany if they would have stopped there all would have been fine, but when people start trying to expand into other countries you do need to stand up to protect your own country. We were isolationist until Pearl Harbor as were France, Russia and Britain until it was obvious Hitler was going after the the culprits who levied “economic sanctions” against Germany aka Treaty of Versailles. And Bipartisan’s statement is true we should be worried about WWIII except this time around I’m more afraid that the U.S. is playing the part of Germany. Europe learned from WWII and apparently so did China the fact that we are currently being ignorant to the cause of it can only “blowback” on us. An aggressive Foreign Policy in which we alienate other world powers is very bad. We can only be placing troops where Americans are loved which are only three places really, South Korea, Japan, and Australia but we also shouldn’t be increasing are presence in these areas (alienating China) the rest need to come home so we can start working to secure our Homeland once and for all.

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      2. Inzababa

        @spec2424@nonpartisanbrit

        Are you suggesting China a) is conducting or is about to conduct a genocide and b) is invading or is about to invade a whole series of countries?

        As to “backing down”, maybe America should have thought about it before going to Irak, or Afghanistan, or even Vietnam.

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  22. ROBfromMKE

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul413.html

    Non-interventionist is far from isolationism. The people that say the Paul Administration would not do this or that are full of it. Do some homework before you start spewing anti-freedom rhetoric you were told to repeat by the media or some other socialists.

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    1. spec2424

      @ROBfromMKE Right on!

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  23. PaulECunningham

    What will become of our global Naval fleet, and our spy satellites and other forms of information gathering? How will we ensure the ability to react quickly in the inevitable event of an emergency? Bringing the troops home “as fast as the ships can get there” is a soundbite. What is the real plan? Dr. Paul surely doesn’t intend to leave our foreign comrades unprotected from the “blow back” intended for us. He is too smart to think that the hatred will suddenly just end after the election. What are the details of your plan, Dr. Paul? I know Germany doesn’t need us (they enjoy the money I am sure). I know Israel has plenty of strength to handle themselves and would probably favor our non-intervention in their affairs. What about the other friends around the globe who may need us?

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    1. mboettner

      @PaulECunningham Good points. In my view the sound bits you mention are exactly what’s preventing a broader cross section of independents and republicans from supporting Dr. Paul on foreign affairs. Quotes like “as fast as the ships can get there” make people like me ask what does this mean for our friends and allies around the world and ultimately is it better for America. Dr. Paul has not connected the dots on this for me. Especially when it comes to countries like Iran and North Korea, and to a lesser extent Russia and China.

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      1. mboettner

        @PaulECunningham PS – I don’t mean to suggest by my comments that I couldn’t get behind Paul. My point is he needs to explain in greater detail how he would address these particular points if he wants more people like me to support him.

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        1. ExLonghorn

          @mboettner@PaulECunningham After pondering it for a while, your comment begs the question ‘Why?” WHY are our neighbors and friends unable or unwilling to defend themselves? Why would the U.N. not play a role in defending the borders of member countries? Why wouldn’t NATO play a role, since the vast majority of our friends are NATO members and partners? Why does the U.S. obsess about interventionism when the last time a friend of ours was attacked was 70 years ago? (forget the Falklands, or the various Israel-Arab conflicts since the U.K and Israel successfully defended themselves…what a great idea!!!) So, let’s get some clarification…can you name a country where a “friend” of ours is under realistic threat and needs us militarily because they are unable to defend themselves? (key word being unable, not unwilling)

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        2. Colorado

          @ExLonghorn@mboettner@PaulECunningham WOW really you don’t know this one? But I am sure you will make some excuse, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait ever heard of them

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        3. ExLonghorn

          @Colorado @mboettner@PaulECunningham I needed you to read closely. Saudi and Kuwait have some of our best and most up-to-date hardware…Saudi has 200,000 active duty troops. 315 M–1A2 Abrams, 290 AMX–30, and 450 M60A3 main battle tanks; 300 reconnaissance vehicles; 570+ AMX–10P and 400 M–2 Bradley armored infantry fighting vehicles; 3,000+ M113 and 100 Al-Fahd armored personnel carriers, produced in Saudi Arabia; 200+ towed artillery pieces; 110 self-propelled artillery pieces; 60 multiple rocket launchers; 400 mortars; 10 surface-to-surface missiles; about 2,000 antitank guided weapons; about 200 rocket launchers; 450 recoilless launchers; 12 attack helicopters; 50+ transport helicopters; and 1,000 surface-to-air missiles.[3] In 2011, the Saudi-Arabian army has furthermore ordered 200+ German Leopard 2A7+ main battle tanks. Their air force includes newly acquired Eurofighter Typhoons and upgraded Tornado IDS, F-15 Eagle and F-15E Strike Eagle fighter planes. Saudi Arabia has a further 80+ F-15 Eagles on order and an option to buy another 72 Eurofighter Typhoons. They also have PLENTY of money to buy more.

          Kuwait is similarly armed to the teeth with plenty of money to acquire more.

          Now tell me why on Earth they NEED us to defend them?

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        4. mboettner

          @ExLonghorn@PaulECunningham My position is that the United States does not have any obligation to defend a country other than itself. I that agree that the USA should move toward a more benign international stance. There are however circumstances (like WWII) where it is in our own national interest to align with and defend our allies. In order to be able to respond to international threats there is an argument that some international presence is preferred to being completely based within the borders of the US. It’s a matter of degree in my view… it’s not an all or nothing decision. We can scale back without completely eliminating our presence around the globe. Mr. Cunningham illustrates the point well with his map link: http://www.converge.org.nz/abc/pr37-1721.html

          At issue are two core questions:

          1) How far does one go in scaling back?

          2) How does one implement the scale back responsibly?

          Before I can make up my mind about voting for Dr. Paul I would need to know his answers to the two questions above.

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        5. john lockes ghost

          I find it interesting that Ron Paul is required to indicate the details of a less militaristic approach to foreign policy, but others don’t have to provide the same level of detail concerning their interventionist, militaristic foreign policy. I should think that the latter which puts greater risks to our resources (human, material and money) would require a great deal of scrutiny. @mboettner @ExLonghorn @PaulECunningham

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        6. ExLonghorn

          @john lockes ghost@mboettner@PaulECunningham That’s right on target…what a strange double-standard. I hope you don’t mind if I use that elsewhere!

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        7. john lockes ghost

          Thanks. Be my guest. @ExLonghorn @mboettner @PaulECunningham

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        8. Colorado

          @ExLonghorn@mboettner@PaulECunningham No was correcting an error in your statement that “when the last time a friend of ours was attacked was 70 years ago?” And as far as the equipment they have we sold most of it to them. And your statement “Now tell me why on Earth they NEED us to defend them?” If EXTREMELY ignorant of history, Iraq had if I remember correctly the 3rd largest army in the world and the best equipped in the region for ODS and look what happened. Just because you have equipment and men doesn’t mean the 2 know how to work together.

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        9. ExLonghorn

          @Colorado @mboettner@PaulECunningham Colorado, Saudi and Kuwait are not partner members of NATO. We didn’t have a ratified security arrangement with either country at the time (my definition of “friend” in the military sense). What happened is that Kuwait knew we would come to their defense…and same with Saudi. They have the U.S. as their hired henchmen. May I remind you that Iraq fought for a decade with Iran, and that war ended in a stalemate. Both are incompetent. I am sure Saudi could defend themselves if they chose to do so. Sadly, they don’t need to make that choice.

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        10. mboettner

          @john lockes ghost@ExLonghorn@PaulECunningham JLG – Dr. Paul needs to provide more detail and defend his philosophy if he wants to change minds and gain votes. Questions like these are opportunities for Dr. Paul to clarify his positions by giving detailed answers. Other candidates should also defend their positions – However, many of them advocate essentially the status quo on foreign policy which is by its nature easier to explain (and requires less explanation).

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      2. CDSJ

        @mboettner@PaulECunningham What it means to our friends and allies is truly that they should start carrying some of the financial and flesh burden of their own safety. While we are the top spender on the military in the world, our allies are spending less and less. Why? Because they know we are there should anything go wrong. Pulling back our troops and closing our bases means they will fill that void and do their fair share. It wouldn’t be immediate, but little by little they would replace us troop by troop and base by base. But I do agree the language is just a good stumping slogan.

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        1. mboettner

          @CDSJ@PaulECunningham Your point about the financial responsibility is a good one. But I think it’s in addition to the security point. You’re right that the U.S. should not have to bare the cost disproportionately but I think we can get what we need financially and still maintain security for ourselves and not upset the balance for our allies.

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        2. PaulECunningham

          @CDSJ I understand the why, just need more meat on the calendar of how, when, and what. I am a practical person (automation engineer). If I am going to boldly re engineer a machinery control system, I make a plan, and prove it to my peers before I start tossing machinery in the dumpster…

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      3. spec2424

        @mboettner@PaulECunningham So what, the idea is that when we leave there’ll be all kinds of war springing up that we should deal with? Or that we can’t deal with by NOT having troops on the ground? We have the greatest military power the world has ever seen, capable of striking anywhere in less than 24 hours, and somehow, people believe we need to put troops on the ground to get the job done. What’s the alternative? Leaving troops on the ground, everywhere around the world to be shot at, to be hated, until the end of time? Costing us more than we can afford. Rome tried the same shit, worked out well for them.

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        1. PaulECunningham

          @spec2424 I am not disputing the policy. I just would like more detail. Many people believe that immediate withdrawal will leave behind masses of weapons and that the Chinese and Russians would move right in. Is that a problem for us? Will there be a power vacuum? Should we care about that? I don’t know the answers. Even if we withdraw without these answers, I will still support it. I believe most of America will support unconditional withdrawal once they understand the financial benefit and have more details to sink their teeth into.

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        2. john lockes ghost

          The withdrawals ought to be orderly and, as such, include all of our material and those withdrawals ought to be limited to our land forces and not our ships at sea. @PaulECunningham @spec2424

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    2. ROBfromMKE

      @PaulECunninghamWhat other friends? What did our founding fathers say about foreign policy?

      “Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations — entangling alliances with none.” ~ Thomas Jefferson

      “The principles of Jefferson are the axioms of a free society.” ~ Abraham Lincoln

      The focus of our foreign policy should be the United States of America’s best interests… not other countries around the globe. What about US?? ;)

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    3. ROBfromMKE

      @PaulECunninghamWhat other friends? What did our founding fathers say about foreign policy?

      “Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations — entangling alliances with none.” ~ Thomas Jefferson

      “The principles of Jefferson are the axioms of a free society.” ~ Abraham Lincoln

      The focus of our foreign policy should be the United States of America’s best interests… not other countries around the globe. What about US?? ;)

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      1. mboettner

        @ROBfromMKE@PaulECunningham True, but sometimes it’s in the U.S. best interest to cooperate in the defense of our allies. Jefferson is right about entangling alliances but it’s a matter of drawing lines. It is arguably a pendulum that we let swing to far in one direction but swinging it too far in the other direction isn’t good either.

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      2. PaulECunningham

        @ROBfromMKE No disrespect Rob, but quoting our founding fathers does not help me understand what we are going to do with these:

        http://www.converge.org.nz/abc/pr37-1721.html

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        1. john lockes ghost

          BTW, any relation to Miles? @PaulECunningham @ROBfromMKE

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        2. PaulECunningham

          Miles who? Is he from Porter Hill, Oklahoma?

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    4. john lockes ghost

      What about the other friends around the globe who may need us? That would depend on how committed the United States should be in giving aid, including military aid, to a particular friend. The best way to gauge the level of commitment would be to reinstate the draft disallowing any deferments. In other words, disband the notion of, as well as the actual, all volunteer military. If we must go to war, then it ought to be every persons responsibility to support that effort. By so doing, it is the government’s responsibility to its citizens to be damn careful about engaging our military and done only when our nation is in actual and imminent danger. @PaulECunningham

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  24. Foreign Policy and the Republican Race in Iowa | PRI's The World

    [...] Paul knows many conservatives feel this way. On his Web site, Paul has a 13-minute video detailing his stance on national security. It’s titled: “You like Ron Paul, except on foreign [...]

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  25. Foreign Policy and the Republican Race in Iowa | PRI's The World

    [...] Paul knows many conservatives feel this way. On his Web site, Paul has a 13-minute video detailing his stance on national security. It’s titled: “You like Ron Paul, except on foreign [...]

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  26. GB

    AS A STOUT REPUBLICAN AND JEW, I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR THIS IGNORAMOUS. HIS FOREIGN POLICY TOWARDS ISRAEL SCARES ME MORE THAN ANY OTHER POLITICIAN, AND SADLY EVEN OBAMA.

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    1. Inzababa

      @GB what scares me is the influence of Israel over the USA and American policies.

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      1. Cyroos

        @Inzababa@GB I totally agree with Inzababa comment.

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      2. Colorado

        @Inzababa are you a Muslim or related to one?

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        1. Inzababa

          @Colorado you’re asking because you think I’m “biased”.

          Right?

          Let me ask you something, when discussing any objective question such as a historical fact, should personal information be taken into account?

          I think what matters is the truth, personal info isn’t required to establish that (in fact it hinders it).

          Either what I say is true or it is not true, and if it is not true, it can be proved wrong. (example : check other thread where yakhoodi replied.)

          Next you’ll be checking whether I had unconsented sex with someone 18 years ago right? ;)

          but just FYI, no I’m not Muslim. Yes I am related to at least “one”, and yes I am also related to at least one “Jew” as well.

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      3. Allenocus

        I would def. disagree there. I don’t believe it is unreasonable to say that many Americans support a Zionist view, which typically see Israel as God’s chosen nation, even today. However, the republicans and democrats alike have been playing off that in order to keep a strong foothold in the middle east, continuing to establish an empire. They’re not basing their policies off of a shared view that many of the Zionists believe, as if to say that they make these policies and decisions off of genuine conviction. They’re basing it off of propaganda to continue to build a militaristic empire. Ron Paul doesn’t disagree with this religious view of Israel, but he does believe that we should support Israel by allowing them to be sovereign over themselves. They’ve said they do not need our help. They’re an established nation, and are capable of dealing with any of their enemies in the middle east, and I would venture to say, that entire region. I support Israel, and am a Zionist. However, I believe that the only way to protect Israel, is to return its sovereignty back unto itself, and allow the people to govern themselves the way they should see fit. And furthermore, not criticizing them every time they make a strategic/tactical move in defense of their nation. @Inzababa @GB

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        1. Inzababa

          @Allenocus@GB And I would def disagree there.

          From military support, intelligence, economic, to political, many might say that Israel is simply another unofficial state of the USA.

          Let’s leave religion out of it though shall we? It’s not about religion. Last I heard, the USA wasn’t a religious state.

          Could you remind me why the USA left UNESCO?

          As to Israel, got this from Wiki :

          Israel is defined in several of its laws as a “Jewish and democratic state” (medina yehudit ve-demokratit). However, the term “Jewish” is a polyseme that can relate equally to the Jewish people or religion. The debate about the meaning of the term Jewish and its legal and social applications is one of the most profound issues with which Israeli society deals.

          source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_religion#Jewish_country

          Though judging on how the government responded to the Orthodox, it seems to me that religious law is not Israelian law?

          Lastly, if you or anyone got a problem with being criticised or “criticising” them, that means something in itself. Doesn’t it?

          In free countries, criticism is welcomed. In dictatorships, it is severely reprimanded.

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        2. john lockes ghost

          In other words, give Israel its independence. I agree. @Allenocus @Inzababa @GB

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    2. CDSJ

      @GB Let Israel stand on their own, if they can. If they can’t, let em burn to the ground.

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    3. ROBfromMKE

      @GB Israel is the strongest military in the world. They made the frogmen/Navy seals of the USA. Look at their track record. Suez crisis of 1956. They waged a war in 6 days in 1967. 20 days in 1973. 1978 they fought for a couple weeks. 1982 also… They do not need our help. Why don’t the other nations who are our “allies” put some of their sons and daughters up for the slaughter not to mention throw in a few bucks while they’re at it? You’re the ignorant one in my opinion sir.

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  27. Colorado

    Ron Paul clearly doesn’t understand history the muslim religion has hated Jews since the time of Moses and infidels(Anyone NOT Muslim) since then also. His foreign policy WILL cause the death of MILLIONS of Americans over time. Yes I know some are you are going to call me a war monger or what ever. I am not , but I understand history and I understand ISLAM!!!! Until you can read and understand every mans heart and mind you can never have a policy like his.

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    1. Inzababa

      @Colorado

      yeah, you’re right.

      I think the solution is to exterminate all muslims!

      that’s what you’re suggesting right?

      oh, while we’re at it, exterminate all infidels !!!

      Put them in concentration camps ! (sounds familiar?)

      nutter

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      1. Colorado

        @Inzababa I love people whom have not a clue in the world. You are a typical leftist in that you go to the worst extreme you can come up with. And you do NOT understand history either or current information, because exterminating all infidels, IS THERE RELIGION READ and Learn before you comment showing your lack of knowledge on the subject.

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        1. Inzababa

          @Colorado are you denying that you are suggesting what I wrote?

          yes or no?

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        2. Colorado

          @Inzababa Yes you clearly don’t understand english because I was pretty clear

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        3. Inzababa

          @Colorado

          oh my friend, I understand english, look :

          – I love people whom have not a clue in the world.

          This means “I’m an arrogant fool who thinks I know it all and am always right.”

          —-You are a typical leftist in that you go to the worst extreme you can come up with.

          This means “I am extremist right wing and proud of it, I jump to assumptions and have an inflexible point of view which hasn’t evolved since I established it.”

          —And you do NOT understand history either or current information, because exterminating all infidels, IS THERE RELIGION READ and Learn before you comment showing your lack of knowledge on the subject.

          And this I admit I am having trouble understanding.

          Tell you what though, I admit I did call you a nutter “first”, and apologies for that.

          Name calling and personal attacks are pointless, especially “over the internet”.

          I got carried away and from this point on will avoid it.

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        4. Colorado

          @Inzababa And no my opinion is researched and qualified by more then one source before I give it any credence. I do NOT and will NOT ever know it all but rely on personal knowledge and studying the subject matter up for debat BEFORE commenting. I NEVER comment on a subject of which I have no knowledge, that would stupid or other wise known as a Democrat!

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        5. Inzababa

          @Colorado

          this is researched?

          —- the muslim religion has hated Jews since the time of Moses and infidels(Anyone NOT Muslim) since then also

          this is researched?

          — You are a typical leftist in that you go to the worst extreme you can come up with. And you do NOT understand history either or current information, because exterminating all infidels, IS THERE RELIGION READ and Learn before you comment showing your lack of knowledge on the subject.

          THIS IS RESEARCHED???

          “”””And the jews have NOT ever attacked supposedly innocent people learn some history””””

          No Colorado, that stuff isn’t researched, not properly.

          I got an idea.

          I challenge almost all of what you wrote, and challenge you to demonstrate it. Since you claim it.

          Not all of what you wrote, but those 3 quotes at least.

          What do you think? Sounds good?

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        6. Colorado

          @Inzababa Tell me your foundation of the disagreement between what are muslims now and the Jews?

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        7. Inzababa

          @Colorado

          I’m assuming your reply means you’re not going to back up your claims.

          That’s fine, wasn’t expecting you to, but what do you mean by your last post?

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        8. Inzababa

          @Colorado

          I’m assuming your reply means you’re not going to back up your claims.

          That’s fine, wasn’t expecting you to, but what do you mean by your last post?

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        9. Colorado

          @Inzababa I am replying what do you believe the conflict between jews and muslims is about

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        10. Inzababa

          @Colorado all right

          First, it isn’t about Jews and Muslims. It’s about Israelis and Palestinians. (and eventually related nations in the area).

          It has to do with jurisdiction and land ownership (not religious beliefs).

          Justification for that claim : there is no significant conflict between Jews and Muslims anywhere else in the world.

          Except when that conflict relates to what is happening in Israel and Palestine.

          Proof : look at Europe, Jews and Muslims live peacefully together. Look at Indonesia (most Islamic country in the world), there is no harrassement of Jews there.

          If it were a religious conflict, it would exist all over the world, anywhere when Jews and Muslims come into contact.

          That is NOT the case.

          Second, as much as some people would like it to be, Israel isn’t a Jewish state governed by religious law.

          So I don’t see what the hell religion has to do with any of this anymore, that time is gone.

          Proof :

          http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-16343066

          If it was a religious state, these orthodox jews would be in power and would be applying religious law.

          Which they are not.

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        11. Colorado

          @Inzababa The conflict between these 2 peoples dates back to the time of Moses. When Moses had a child with his house servant whose descendants are the muslims of today and a child with his wife a Jew. The problem is the Muslim’s believe that they are the chosen ones and so do the Jews. Now as far as the Muslim’s hating Jews and Infidels look up in the Quran what Muslims must due to a Jew and or infidel if they are to meet. Look into the beginnings of Islam and discover how it was spread? Also, here is a thought listen to news out of Iran, Iraq, Syria, and yes where did the 9/11 high jackers come from? Now as far European Jews and Muslims living in peace, again search the internet and read the news stories about violence against Jews.

          How about this peace and love look how peacefully they get alonghttp://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/2011/05/09/thailand-muslims-behead-a-9-year-old-boy-warning-graphic-images/

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        12. Colorado

          @Inzababa The conflict between these 2 peoples dates back to the time of Moses. When Moses had a child with his house servant whose descendants are the muslims of today and a child with his wife a Jew. The problem is the Muslim’s believe that they are the chosen ones and so do the Jews. Now as far as the Muslim’s hating Jews and Infidels look up in the Quran what Muslims must due to a Jew and or infidel if they are to meet. Look into the beginnings of Islam and discover how it was spread? Also, here is a thought listen to news out of Iran, Iraq, Syria, and yes where did the 9/11 high jackers come from? Now as far European Jews and Muslims living in peace, again search the internet and read the news stories about violence against Jews.

          How about this peace and love look how peacefully they get alonghttp://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/2011/05/09/thailand-muslims-behead-a-9-year-old-boy-warning-graphic-images/

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        13. Colorado

          @Inzababa How about this storyhttp://www.theblaze.com/stories/saudi-arabian-jihadist-school-text-books-call-for-the-annihilation-of-jews-gays/ I can give you thousands of them it is just a fact

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        14. Colorado
        15. Inzababa

          @Colorado it doesn’t matter what it dates back to.

          The Germans invaded France only one generation ago. Today, France and Germany are best friends.

          Here’s another example : the war in Ireland between Protestants and Catholics is finished and Protestants and Catholics all over the world live peacefully together.

          I am repeating myself because it seems you did not take into account what I wrote.

          If it was truly a religious fight, would they not be fighting in Europe as well?

          In Algeria? In Morocco? In Indonesia?

          The 9/11 attack was not an attack of Islam against Judaism.

          Lastly, the examples you give are examples of extremist fundamentalists, just like Jewis Orthodox, or like fundamentalists Christians in the USA who murder people because they are pro abortion.

          Have you been to Europe? Have you been to India? Have you even been to the most muslim country in the world? (Indonesia)

          If you had, you would have seen with your own eyes how people of different faiths live peacefully together.

          The “REALITY” is, the fight is NOT about religion or faith, or it would concern all who are religious and faithful.

          End of discussion, not going to spend hours repeating myself, if you don’t want to see a simple truth, I’m not going to even try to force you.

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        16. Colorado

          @Inzababa Again typical argument ohh that is just extremist. If it is JUST extremism then why can I give you story after story on a daily basis. If it was just like christian extremist you would see A LOT less wouldn’t you! And yes I have been to Europe and the Middle East and I have see the conflict first hand it is not UNCOMMON or just a few as you claim. How about the Madrid bombings and bombings happening almost daily in some of the places you mentioned. And again if rare why are there news stories almost daily?

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        17. Inzababa

          @Colorado

          I live in Europe, and Jews and Christians and Muslims live in peace, it’s reality, it’s the truth, and like I said, it’s the end of this discussion.

          I lived in Indonesia, and same thing, including with large populations of Hindus and Buddhists.

          So if you’re even trying to make anyone believe that there is some kind of world wide war between religions, you’ll either be locked up in a psychiatric hospital or ignored completely.

          As to the question about news stories, I’ll let you figure that one out on your own.

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        18. Colorado

          @Inzababa Well you need to only look at there holly book and read to understand the mind set. Of course some people can live in peace. The simple point is even in Europe tell me I am wrong and that Muslims are getting more and more concessions from government and Sharia is even being allowed in the court system in places. Besides why are you on a site about American Politics if you live there unless of course you are a citizen temporarily living their. But you have your way of thinking which seems to be wait till they punch me in the face before I do anything and mine is to always be prepared!!! And Ron Paul is an absolute wack job who would be as bad as Obama if not worse. Good Day and I hope you have a good New Year

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        19. Inzababa

          @Colorado

          —But you have your way of thinking which seems to be wait till they punch me in the face before I do anything and mine is to always be prepared!!!

          By doing this, you create enemies that did not exist before.

          I have friends from all faiths, and many nations, trust me, they not gona punch me in the face

          happy new year :).

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        20. Inzababa

          @Colorado Fair enough, I haven’t got access to the statistics, although in the 8 years I spent there, I did meet more than 20 jews ;)

          However, to say that Indonesians show disdain to any religious group is wrong.

          The last group I heard that was stigmatised were the Chinese because of their growing influential position in the country. (which is ironically quite similar to the antagonism directed at Jewish people for their “influence”, and again, that antagonism is not faith related).

          On the contrary, if there is any one distinguishing characteristic about that country (apart from the fact that it’s the most muslim country in the world) is it’s incredible tolerance and acceptance of faiths and religions, from all horizons.

          ———-Quite a few are openly hostile because of their understanding of Jews in relation to Islam.

          This point is important, because there are a lot of people who have grown hostile towards Jews over the past 20 years or so, and that’s all over the world, and it stems from sympathy in reaction to the oppression of the Palestinian people.

          Which (unfortunately) is associated with Jewish religion.

          People are pissed off at Israel, they associate Israel with Judaism, associate Palestinians with Muslims, then take sides and “voila”, you have a religious conflict.

          Point is, it stems, it’s rooted, it’s based on one factor only : how the Israelien people (as opposed to Jewish people) relate to the Palestinian people (as opposed to Muslim people).

          If that conflict did not exist, there would be no other conflict between those two faiths.

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    2. Cyroos

      @Colorado Unfortunately it seems you have no knowledge of history at all. There were not any Muslim during Prophet Muses. For your information Muslim do not hate Jews in fact they respect Jews and their wholly prophet, piece be upon of him. Muslim have many concerns over the Israeli government who has been killing civilian for decades.

      God Bless Ron Paul and I wish he will be the next President of the USA.

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      1. Colorado

        @Cyroos Again another uninformed idiot, I meant that since that time what would become the muslims hated the jews since that time. I thought the people here would have enough of a brain to understand this. And you are wrong, if you are a muslim you better go read the Quran, because you clearly havent. And the jews have NOT ever attacked supposedly innocent people learn some history. The Jews were attacked, and the land belongs to them NOT muslims. And science has proven it.

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        1. CDSJ

          @Colorado @Cyroos It is strange to think that land can belong to a religion and not a nation. I’d hate to be an atheist born in Israel, guess it wouldn’t be my country and I would just have to kill myself.

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        2. Inzababa

          @CDSJ@Colorado @Cyroos oh but it’s not “religious”, otherwise these guys would have it their way :

          http://youtu.be/awtsGTfhCzA

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        3. Colorado

          @CDSJ@Cyroos Being an atheist is a religion! Because they believe in something that can’t be proven to exist either. So if you are an atheist and you feel land can’t belong to a religion and your in the US then maybe you SHOULD leave because the land was founded with religion as a focal point and every law in the land was based on the 10 commandments and then those expanded upon.

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        4. CDSJ

          @Colorado @CDSJ @Cyroos If you read history books rather than blogs you would know most of the founding fathers were atheists. It was the main reason why freedom of religion was so important to them. Lol under god wasn’t even added to the pledge until 1954.

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        5. Colorado

          @CDSJ@Cyroos Look at the history of our country and founding documents and tell me it wasn’t part of it. Freedom of of religion was important because of religions persecution.

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    3. CDSJ

      @Colorado The same can be said toward your hatred of Muslims. How about only killing folks who try to kill us. I’d hate to be stranded on an island with you, you’d probably try to strangle me for the last coconut.

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      1. Colorado

        @CDSJ In this world it is survival of the fittest. I am mobility impaired and if a building was burning down and is you stopped to help me it would mean you would die, you like everybody else WOULD save themselves. And that is what I would have to accept because I am disabled and it is not your fault or responsibility to care for me. I mean most civil human being would help a disabled person IF it would not cost them there own. It is called PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!! People have gotten away from that fact and seem to think of the world as one nation it is not! The USA is ONE Nation under GOD!

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    4. PaulECunningham

      @Colorado Did you get your degree in theology from Fox news? Violent Islamic extremists Muslims. They don’t all hate us. More and more of them hate us due to our current policies, but still plenty of them are peaceful and fair minded. Israel needs nothing from us to defend themselves and preemptively strike their enemies.

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      1. Colorado

        @PaulECunningham Clearly you are young and naive and need to do more research on the facts. Whom attacked first, now you ARE going to have to go back before you were born but give it a shot

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    5. ROBfromMKE

      @Colorado http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul28.html check that link out. Seems like you’re pre NDAA, want a police state, and want to be a nazi… lol I could be wrong.

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    6. PatrickAndrewMcCoy

      @Colorado neither the Muslim religion nor Jews existed in the time of Moses. Moses was around 1500b.c.e , the tribe of Judah (Jews) came around 1200b.c.e. Islam (the Muslim religion) didn’t come around till 600 AD You say you understand history, but you do not know these facts? You say you understand Islam, but did you know Mohammed said “The ink of the scholar is more holy than the blood of the martyr.” and “Do you love your creator? Love your fellow-beings first.”

      Judge a religion by it’s tyrants and you will judge all religions evil….That’s wasn’t Mohammed, just me.

      And before anyone asks, no, I’m not Muslim, I’m just not an ignorant bigot.

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  28. john lockes ghost

    I’ve been waiting for a guy like Ron Paul for most of my life and that’s been quite a while when one considers that RP is junior to me. I wanted to mention this because the media leads one to believe that Paul’s supporters are all young and politically inexperienced. In fact, his appeal crosses all political boundaries, age, and partisanship.  And why shouldn’t he? He supports the type of government that all Americans who have an understanding of our founding and our constitution and our philosophy of freedom and liberty embrace! Since 1952, there were only 2 presidents that came close to being ideal, Eisenhower (who warned us about the military/industrial complex), and Reagan (who brought down our worst adversary without firing a shot).  As regards to illegal immigration, however, Eisenhower trumps Reagan in that he deported people who broke our laws and entered the United States without an invitation. Reagan did not, and made the mistake of providing them amnesty. As we have learned, unless you are dimwitted, amnesty given then has only led to a greater influx of illegals now. So any idea of providing the same solution would fall under the category of insanity, that is, using the same solution and expecting a different result.

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    1. john lockes ghost

      Ron Paul also has the right idea concerning health care. I have written on this subject and, for those interested, you may find my commentary under that heading. The only area that gives me a bit of discomfort is financial, but that may be due to ignorance on my part as I have not, as yet, read about his approach to solving those kinds of problems.

      In closing, who else deserves your vote? Nobody.

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  29. philoec

    Enemies of the true liberty do not want to hear Ron Paul’s assertions for they are so in denial, so callous for being enslave for many decades by the wars “propaganda”.

    We’ll see the will of the American people, if they want to continue in slavery will do whatever it takes to attack the truth, but on the other hand, if they want to be free and enjoy that privilege, then, will vote conscientiously.

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    1. mboettner

      @philoec In my view there’s a more basic problem at hand… Average citizens are naive to the fact that our liberties are being eroded. This is is the core issue. The “enemies of true liberty” you mention wouldn’t stand a chance if more individuals were enlightened to how liberties erode. The problems we have are not of sudden consequence but of an insidious nature that have been chipping away at our constitution since the civil war.

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      1. john lockes ghost

        Among the worst offenders is the 17th amendment to the constitution. Essentially, it replaced states rights with corporate influence in our lawmaking process and in the process of supreme court candidate approval. As long as this amendment is allowed to stand, we will never have true liberty, but only a sham imposter. @mboettner @philoec

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    2. Colorado

      @philoec Are you NUTS you sound like the OWS freaks . Americans are a nation of power and intelligence across the spectrum. You sound like someone whom stand by the war mongering point of view because you are probably just like all the other cowards that stand behind that mindset.

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      1. Inzababa

        @Colorado @philoec and you sound like a fox news journalist ;)

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  30. Republicans- Who is Your Candidate? - Page 43

    [...] Ron Paul are of one mind on what caused 9/11 so I'm not sure you want to criticize Rev. Wright for acknowledging blowback. the real climategate Reply With Quote + Reply to [...]

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  31. Tony Wicher

    Sorry, folks, but the “blowback” theory just won’t wash. Jesse Ventura just endorsed Ron Paul on the Alex Jones show. Every Alex Jones listener, including me, is a “9/11 truther”. I don’t take Jones’ word for it, or that of his excellent guest, Webster TarpIey. I have read and seen and understood for myself scientific proofs by 1500 architects, engineers, physicists and chemists at ae911truth.org. This is the basis for the whole bogus “war on terror” and the loss of our constitutional freedoms. The treacherous people who are really responsible for 9/11 have never been apprehended, the coverup has gone on under two administrations, and therefore, obvously, they are still there. Their crimes and their treachery then and now must be exposed for all American people to see if we are ever to have a decent government again. Ron Paul cannot duck or dodge or equivocate on this issue (as I fear he did in 2008). He has known Alex Jones for ten years. He knows what the truth is. He must bear witness to it.

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    1. password

      @Tony Wicher truther or blowbacker… both believe the same party is responsible… Why bicker about the details of why we agree?

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  32. mboettner

    A foreign policy philosophy driven by trade and the avoidance of entanglements is fine but where’s the detail? People want to support Ron Paul but are very concerned about what his foreign policy philosophy would mean in real, practical terms. The campaign needs a cogent explanation of what type of foreign policy a President Paul would put forth.

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    1. ExLonghorn

      @mboettner

      mboettner, thanks for coming here to express your concerns. If you honestly want a deeper explanation of Ron Paul’s foreign policy views, please read his book “A Foreign Policy of Freedom: Peace, Commerce, and Honest Friendship”. if you object to paying for this, you can look up his foreign policy speeches to the House of Representatives on the subject.

      There’s also a Wiki page, for what it is worth…

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul#Foreign_policy

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      1. mboettner

        @ExLonghorn@mboettner Thanks, I’ll check out the resources that you mentioned. It’s not that I haven’t seen Dr. Paul attempt to explain his views… granted he’s only given limited time in national debates to explain but something is still missing. I think the hardest part to imagine is how one gets from where we are to where Dr. Paul envisions American foreign policy needs to go without creating destabilizing situations around the world. Like it or not we have at present a large global footprint. That can’t change overnight without being irresponsible. So my question is how do we get there in a responsible fashion?

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        1. ExLonghorn

          @mboettner I think we have to pull the Band-Aid off quickly where we are in active shooting conflicts or where our bases are causing problems, and make it a slow withdrawal in others (Germany, etc.) I suspect Ron Paul would have a similar approach. Bring the fighters home now, and the protectors home later. Look at Iraq. We finally leave, and some destabilization there is inevitable. It’s what we should have expected when we went in. Afghanistan will likely be similar. Vietnam was a mess for a while, but now we trade effectively with them. The former Iron Curtain countries were similar…a mess at first but now we trade peacefully with many of them. Same thing with Japan and Italy…and even Germany. They are a mess for a while, but things seem to work out with time. I know we have influence problems with Iran and Pakistan, but fighting in the middle east and having troops die daily isn’t a good solution. Even China is loosening up, embracing a form of capitalism which will eventually lead to social reforms. How does that sound?

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        2. mboettner

          @ExLonghorn I think that’s right in general but your point about Iran and Pakistan may be a bit understated. These are two very worrisome countries. Where do we start with them? I like the idea of engagement but it has to be in the context of understanding that, Iran in particular, is not going to be friendly toward us anytime soon.

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        3. ExLonghorn

          @mboettner@ExLonghorn I agree that they are worrisome countries, which is why we should stop sending billions in aid to Pakistan that may eventually come back to haunt us. I’d say we first need to give them a little distance. Tensions are raw on both sides. We invade Pakistan and get into a firefight in one of its larger cities, and we regularly fire missiles from drones inside their borders. Let’s stop that for a while. And let’s ease off on sanctions against Iran. Maybe do a little non-military commerce and see how that goes. Then we let their reactions dictate where the relationship goes next. If they act inappropriately, its easy to go back to the way we are doing things now.

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        4. john lockes ghost

          Destruction is always easier than construction. I agree with what you suggest as long as doing so doesn’t send a message of weakness. @ExLonghorn @mboettner

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    2. philoec

      @mboettner Ron Paul’s explained policy is the one he’ll implement as president, which contains the abstinence to go to war without a valid reason and without approval of Congress, so that we can prevent another 9/11. His policy it is very simple -complication takes us to turmoil among ourselves and with the world.

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  33. bozhidar balkas

    “overhaul intelligence”. by only experts and not all americans? so what’s changing? it seems that the one percent wld still be in charge of the cia!

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  34. Josh_85

    Foreign Policy is Ron Paul’s biggest downfall with the majority of Conservatives. You would think that he’d have more than a very short 5 paragraph essay about his “foreign policy” ideas. I love his stand on the economy and his ideas to fix it. But I simply CANNOT vote for him solely on his foreign policy beliefs. And this half a$$ed display of his thoughts does nothing to sway me to his side. It pushes me away even more.

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    1. johnnycomelately

      @Josh_85 Amen Josh_85!!!

      That’s why I’m voting MICHELE BACHMANN. You get a Constitution-oriented phenom who is fiscally sound, principled, can’t-be-bought (similarly to Ron Paul), but Michele Bachmann also is an expert on foreign policy and is a supporter of traditional marriage. These two things put Michele Bachmann over the top.

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      1. philoec

        @johnnycomelately@Josh_85 Indeed, Mrs. Bachmann is an expert in foreign policy, she is predicting Israel will be wipe off the face of the earth in a few months then, America will be attacked badly. On the other hand, Dr. Paul’s practical and educated policy without sophistication to have the world as our friend not our enemy -how simple!!

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      2. philoec

        @johnnycomelately@Josh_85 Indeed, Mrs Bachmann is an expert on foreign policy, she’s predicting Israel to be wiped off from the face of the earth in a few months and the USA will be attacked right after it.

        On the other hand, we have the educated and friendly foreign policy of Dr, Paul, which offers Americans the opportunity to live at peace with the world instead of discord -a great difference in knowledge and understanding of true foreign policy.

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    2. ExLonghorn

      @Josh_85 Josh, thanks for coming here to express your concerns. If you honestly want a deeper explanation of Ron Paul’s foreign policy views, please read his book “A Foreign Policy of Freedom: Peace, Commerce, and Honest Friendship”. if you object to paying for this, you can look up his foreign policy speeches to the House of Representatives on the subject.

      There’s also a Wiki page, for what it is worth…

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul#Foreign_policy

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      1. Josh_85

        @ExLonghorn Thank you for the link. This is more like a page I was expecting on a Presidential Candidates official web page.

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    3. password

      @Josh_85 I came to the RP website because I want to learn about someone who has had the same views for longer than I have been alive and I expect it to be repuked for me in a nice neat snippet so I can discount it quickly and pick someone else who isn’t a real solution… Wait you mean this interweb has more than one page to look on for the same topic? Who organized this thing?

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  35. junksmink

    I have a question… What is the employment and economic impact of this foreign policy? We would save money on the cost of operating our military around the world but we would also have a large number of unemployed people that used to be in the military or working for business that are contracted under the military. Don’t get me wrong, we shouldn’t based foreign policy on this question but I was wondering if there was a plan as to how to address what this would do to our employment issues and the domestic companies that have basically one client, our military.

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    1. ExLonghorn

      @junksmink I believe the intent was to allow our military to shrink over time by attrition and systematic overseas base closures. I don’t recall reading that Paul wants a significantly smaller military…he just doesn’t want them overseas. That could mean fewer base closures in the U.S. and more troops spending money here rather than overseas.

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