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Look, we are bankrupt as a nation. Our army marches in Chinese boots, while our air force flies on Saudi oil. We cannot continue to enforce a Pax Americana while our southern border allows illegals and terrorists to pour into our country. And we certainly shouldn’t be footing the defense bill for countries with whom our industries compete in the global marketplace. Bring our soldiers home. Secure America first.

What is Blowback?

If you hit someone and kill their family, they will hate you and probably hit you back in the future.

That’s what blowback is all about. It seems like such a simple concept, but many of Ron Paul’s opponents for the Presidency vehemently denied its validity.

They proclaim that what our military does abroad has no effect on how the citizens of the world feel towards us. The 9/11 terrorists hated our wealth and freedom so intensely that they sacrificed their lives to prove it? (Of course, our government bombing their countries, propping up their dictators and supplying their enemies with money and weapons had nothing to do with it…)

Instead of securing our borders, we’ve been planning, initiating and waging wars of aggression. Our military is spread thin all across the planet, yet we remain involved in dangerous power plays that unnecessarily put the lives of our soldiers at risk. And we brazenly squandered the wealth of our nation as if there were no tomorrow.

It doesn’t make any sense unless you consider increasing the profits of the military-industrial complex to be in the “national interest”, no matter what the cost to the rest of us may be.

America first. That is what Ron Paul‘s national defense proposal is all about. And with America he means all Americans, not just the elite. If elected President, Ron Paul will continue his efforts to secure our borders, safely bring our troops back home, and finally overhaul the intelligence apparatus in cooperation with intelligence professionals rather than political opportunists.

Ron Paul loves America. He is one of the very few true patriots left in Washington who are actively working on protecting our freedoms, our lives and our dignity.

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fellowcivicskid
fellowcivicskid

Civicskid Keep it up! Don't just keep it to yourself either, take it to school and get your friends fired up! Unfortunately war with terrorists is not like a game of "Empire Earth" where people come over in ships and storm the beaches (if it were we'd be in business). Instead terrorists use tactics like we have seen with 911 and suicide bombers. Now Iran is on the verge of developing Nuclear Bombs. It is these cowardly tactics that mean we have to keep our troops overseas to maintain the peace. Also we have a duty to defend our allies. Ron Paul in my opinion does not seem to understand this. Dont take my word for it. Do your own research and always question everything.

mohamed
mohamed

Bring the troop home and cut military spending....

xstortionist
xstortionist

I can't stand when Politicians read from a piece of paper. Take that shit out of the debates and your speeches and be true with your words. Speak from your heart for crying out loud!

Mid Mo
Mid Mo

your 12 yrs old? You well informed for your age. I'm sure your parents are very proud of you.

Stay informed young man, you and people your age are the future for this country.

Civicskid
Civicskid

If we keep chasing Al quida around we will be spending money. We should just reinforce are borders and let them come to us. We will just counter attack them with are army. The soldiers deserve to come home and see there families. We should only leave a small amount of people in Iran, Irag etc. Im learning this stuff I am 12 but kind of understand this stuff. I would be glad to leaner more form you guys.

Mid Mo
Mid Mo

I would like to hear your opinion on foreign aid, and your reasoning for sending money to wealthy countrys while taxpayers go with-out the things that we give other countrys.

ProudTEX
ProudTEX

@Colorado

Suuuure the Palestinians are the problem! Luckily The information is no longer in the hands of big media corporation anymore and not easily be manipulated - Thanks to Internet.

You can see here who are the true terrorist, who are the rock thrower, who needs to evacuate from the area for peaceful Palastine or Israel whatever you may want to call it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvb2JHsO_d0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6zjnsaKXHg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdeqXQPW7TM

Check this disgusting act of Jews weather they are kids or adult weather they are military man or police. The crime they commit is unbelievable and sickening to stomach.

Stop all the aid to these criminal monkeys

Ron Paul for 2012

Thomas12
Thomas12

To Colorado below:

It's just the same old tired right wing slur. You are clearly brainwashed with anti-muslim propaganda and hatred that are greatly designed to do just so.

What is your knowledge of events in the middle east prior to 9/11 ? People who were following those events and analysing them knew it was coming. There were demonstrations all over the muslim world over the isreali terrorism agains the palestinians. That CNN and Fox News eclipsed those events does not mean they were unimportant. The alqaeda said shortly after that they did it "because of the israeli aggression against the palestinian people". I dont see religious extremism in that statement, do you see it?

Try to listen and read more from different sources because you are totally flat wrong.Religious extremism exists on every religion (including yours) but anger over being wronged is the great motivator for evil(revenge). Just remember,aggressive, opinionated and hard headed persons will isolate themselves eventually; intervention will lead to isolationism that is.

steve80
steve80

If we neglect our treaty obligations might not that cause blowback?

Flying Dutchman
Flying Dutchman

Does anyone know what Ron Pauls position would be if China attacks Taiwan?

Cillian
Cillian

Ron Paul wants to close free trade with other companies? WOuldn't that be really bad for our economy?

Tucci78
Tucci78

@fellowcivicskid "...we have to keep our troops overseas to maintain the peace. Also we have a duty to defend our allies. Ron Paul in my opinion does not seem to understand this."

And you'd be wrong about that last, too. Dr. Paul not only understands the nature of our unsupportable "We're the Cops of the World!" excuse for a legitimate foreign policy but so do his critics.

I could only wish that some technologically adroit supporter of Dr. Paul's campaign would apply voice stress analysis measures to the statements of Republican establishment politicians when they condemn Ron Paul's appreciation of how "blowback" figures in our government's relationships with the kleptocracies and Islamofascist regimes in the Sandbox.

Critters like Willard Mittney and the Ayatollah Santorum and Newt ("zipper control problem") Gingrich sure as hell know that what they're pushing in this regard are pure lies.

Those foreign governments with whom the politicians of our own federal government have entered into treaties of alliance, being more immediately threatened by circumstances to act for their own security and the protection of the people they nominally represent, have even greater reason to exert themselves in all reasonable ways to create and maintain the means for their defense, right?

Every treaty of alliance is a kind of contract, with obligations imposed upon all participants in order to gain the benefits specified. There's a definite "quid pro quo" in all such agreements.

Okay, so what are we Americans getting from "our allies" in return for the considerable expenditures of blood and treasure we're providing? And what are these Swiss-bank-account-enriching kleptocrats putting into the pot to secure Uncle Sam's superpower military might in their support?

Let us inquire - specifically - about what our interests really are in these Third World hell-holes, how these "allies" supposedly do OUR INTERESTS any service, and what our government thugs have been achieving (apart from the ruinous expenditure of our wealth) in creating and maintaining an American empire all over the world.

john lockes ghost
john lockes ghost

@fellowcivicskid The "war" on terror is nothing more than an invention of the bush administration to gain undeserved power. Terrorism, as you pointed out, is a tactic used by an entity such as, for example, Al Qaeda to instill fear in an adversary by inflicting the most goulish and bloody damage possible. It is a criminal act and should be dealt with via criminal procedures and not by war.

Colorado
Colorado

@Thomas12 Well JACK Butt I was in the Middle East Prior to 9/11 were you? And I can assure you I have read and understand far more about the Israeli situation then you. By your ignorant statement "because of the israeli aggression against the palestinian people" your either young age or biased religious affiliation either way you are wrong in your statement do some reading yourself because you clearly have NO IDEA what is going on with the Palestinian and Israeli problem. The Palestinian's are the problem and continue to be the problem.

Sean_Hellems
Sean_Hellems

@steve80 The Constitution comes before any "treaty" Our troops are meant to defend THIS nation.

Colorado
Colorado

@steve80 These weird Paul people don't give a damm about treaties or anything other then singing songs that make the whole world sing. Can't we all live in peace, come on they only hit us because we bombed them!!! These people are crazy and Naive not to mention NO UNDERSTANDING about defense honor and integrity!!

ExLonghorn
ExLonghorn

My guess is The Taiwan Relations Act (TRA; Pub.L. 96-8, 93 Stat. 14, enacted April 10, 1979; H.R. 2479) determines out approach.

The act stipulates that the United States will "consider any effort to determine the future of Taiwan by other than peaceful means, including by boycotts or embargoes, a threat to the peace and security of the Western Pacific area and of grave concern to the United States". Basically, it encourages us to defend Taiwan. My guess is that Ron Paul would stay out of it, however. Of course a lot of U.S. companies have their products made in Taiwan. Companies would likely drop all investment in Taiwan and China if China made such a silly move. I just don't think China would risk the business repercussions.

JGuy07
JGuy07

I thought one of RP's positions was for open free markets?

Sean_Hellems
Sean_Hellems

"Ron Paul is a proponent of free trade and rejects protectionism, advocating “conducting open trade, travel, communication, and diplomacy with other nations.” He opposes many free trade agreements (FTAs), like the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), stating that “free-trade agreements are really managed trade” and serve special interests and big business, not citizens."

Sean_Hellems
Sean_Hellems

Where's the evidence that he wants to close free trade? Ron Paul is the biggest advocate of free trade. I'm confused.

john lockes ghost
john lockes ghost

Actually, it would be good for our economy. Globalization has pitted middle class workers against the nearly slave labor employed by foreign countries. As a consequence, our jobs have gone overseas along with our money. The balance of payments keeps growing because goods that were previously manufactured in the United States are now imported to the United States. I wrote elsewhere in this blog, the reason why globalization is a bad thing for the United States and how it is destroying our economy.

JGuy07
JGuy07

@Tucci78@fellowcivicskid Good points, however, the term "mitigation" can be used in several topics you mentioned as well as referencing treaties, allies, and what being involved in third world countries does for us. Personally I wish we could keep the isolationist policy, however it is not possible in the world we currently live in. This has been a known fact for decades now, stemming from one of our greatest leaders, F.D.R. We can not sit around and only listen to what is going on in the world around us, in order to be safe and secure we must be active.

JGuy07
JGuy07

@john lockes ghost@fellowcivicskid This has to be the most IGNORANT post I've seen on this thread, that's saying alot! "War on Terror" IS NOT AN INVENTION! You can't put terrorist groups/members/affiliates through criminal proceedings either, that is also a stupid statement. Do you have any idea of what could happen if we were to put high value targets in criminal proceedings in federal court? No, you obviously don't. We would have to give them ALL EVIDENCE against them, which would include classified material of intel gathered over many years of terror groups and everything involved with them. That would be a HUGE mistake. Second, those involved in terror groups have a totally different mindset than us or those who think similar to us. You will never be able to bring them in to a court session, there have already been numerous enemy combatants which have taken their own lives so they don't give any information. There are numerous terror groups around the world, only few of which intend to target Americans. Terrorists are not seen as a formal military, so they do not fall under the Geneva Convention. That is why they're referred to as 'enemy combatants' and now POW's. Giving them liberties and OUR rights is the worst ideal ever. You will never sit down and solve anything 'diplomatically' with a terror organization.

john lockes ghost
john lockes ghost

It's like the old puzzle about which came first the chicken or the egg. Historically, both Jew and Arab, can lay claim to the are that contains Israel and Palestine and, guess what? Before and during WWI both Jews and Arabs got along well with each other. During WWI, the Arabs allied themselves with the British as long as the British would guarantee their autonomy over their lands. The French, however, and even though they had little to nothing to do with the area, demanded that the area constituting what was historically Jewish should be set aside for the Jews. The insistence for doing so originated with one Baron Rothchild. Afterward, the European nations began carving up the middle east pie and the British renigged on their promise to the Arabs, thus betraying them. Although the idea of Zionism was founded somewhere around 1880, they didn't really get busy until after WWII when the world at large felt sympathy toward them as a consequence of the brutal and murderous treatment by Nazi Germany. Once that began, however, and the Arabs that live in what has become Israel began to be displaced, that's when all the trouble escalated to war. Wars, BTW, that we should stay the hell away from just as we should avoid military involvement in other nation's affairs. @Colorado @Thomas12

Sean_Hellems
Sean_Hellems

@Colorado @Thomas12 Not according to reality. It is the Israelis that constantly use bulldozers to destroy homes of Palestinians to make room for Jewish settlements. The settlers treat the Palestinian arabs like dirt. It is the Israelis that steal and destroy crops, taking away people's livelihoods. It is the Israelis that build walls and roadblocks which prevent people from getting work. It is the Israeli military that uses Palestinian kids as human shields. The Palestinians are fighting back because of the wrongs constantly committed by the zionist state of Israel. This is why the most orthodox Jews oppose zionism and the state of Israel.

Sean_Hellems
Sean_Hellems

@Colorado @steve80 have you read the 9/11 commission report? They attacked us because we have been bombing the Muslim nation of Iraq of ten years. We crippled their economy. We support, with our money, Israel, who they see as racist occupiers. We, a "Christian" nation as we like to call ourselves, placed our "Christian" army in Saudi-Arabia, which holds the holiest sites of Islam. That was an outright attack on Islam. But you of course know that they really just attacked us because of their religion and because of our freedoms. Sure, their religion provided JUSTIFICATION, but it was not the reason that they attacked us. I suppose that if we attack Iran and they rise up and fight us, it will be because of their religion and because they hate our freedoms, as opposed to the obvious reason: we attacked them.

Flying Dutchman
Flying Dutchman

@ExLonghorn Ok that makes sense. I wasn't aware that your country had this TRA. You may underestimate the Chinese however on their pursuit of the 'reintegration' of Taiwan.

ExLonghorn
ExLonghorn

@john lockes ghost JLG, I have mixed opinions on this. IF we send low-skill jobs that are DDD (dirty, dull, or dangerous) overseas and we continue to educate our own workforce, then our citizens would enjoy the advantages of high-skill, high-pay jobs. I fear part of the problem comes from Americans who want to do medium-to-low skill jobs, but who also expect to get pay well above the overseas competition. If we are exporting software, high tech goods, and goods requiring advanced manufacturing processes (carbon fiber, nanotech, etc.) and importing relatively low talent content goods, this works in our favor. One problem comes from not having enough Americans stepping up to take these higher-skill jobs....not enough engineers, researchers, programmers, designers and skilled labor (CNC machinsts, etc.) to fill the roles we need. Why? Because some Americans are honestly a bit lazy and unfocused. Globalization should only be squeezing low skill jobs in manufacturing. Even low skill service jobs don't have a great deal of foreign competition. If our low skill manufacturing labor were upgrading its skills to be CNC programmers and machinists, electrical technicians, robotics programmers, moldmakers, and so on...we wouldn't have such a problem.

Tucci78
Tucci78

@JGuy07@fellowcivicskid -- Continued --

FDR - that paralytic patroon putz - had a boatload more than mere "flaws."

Late last year, the history of World War Two written by former president Herbert Hoover almost 50 years ago was finally published (*Freedom Betrayed: Herbert Hoover's Secret History of the Second World War and Its Aftermath*). It recently got some comments by Pat Buchanan (see http://lewrockwell.com/buchanan/buchanan198.html ) and that little essay is REALLY worth reading and discussion here.

It's now condemned as "conspiracy theory!" to speak about how the U.S. Pacific Fleet's movement to an advanced base in the Territory of Hawaii was a deliberate set-up to get those obsolescent battleships Taranto'd by the Japanese the way the Royal Navy had nailed the Italian battle line at their moorings the year before.

Uh-huh. Totally unjustified speculation. Nothing to see here. Move along to the FDR Memorial and genuflect respectfully every time you see his name mentioned.

Ain't that little statue of Fala just TOO cute for words?

-- 30 --

Tucci78
Tucci78

@JGuy07@fellowcivicskid - "FDR had his flaws yes, but for the time and situation he was exactly what the country needed."

So "the country needed" to be dragged through three more depressions and into what amounted to two different wars fought simultaneously?

I'm rather fond of the late Murray Rothbard's writings on the subject of *America's Great Depression* (available online in its entirety at http://mises.org/rothbard/agd.pdf ), not to mention the more recent works of Thomas Woods (author of *Meltdown!* in 2009 and co-author of *Who Killed the Constitution? The Fate of American Liberty from World War I to George W. Bush* in 2008) which include an online essay (at http://mises.org/daily/3056 ) discussing FDR's Emergency Banking Act of 1933, which - among other things - criminalized the private American citizen's possession of gold coin, gold bullion, and gold certificates while at the same time summarily cancelling all gold clauses in public and private contracts.

The average American victim of government schooling today (when the legal right to own gold had been restored more than thirty years ago and we all know it's a Damned Good Idea to get and keep your hands on gold and other precious metals as insurance against inflation) will get a puzzled expression on his phiz and go "WTF? What the hell did the wise and glorious FDR do that for?"

Read Dr. Woods above-cited article, why don'tcha?

-- Continued --

JGuy07
JGuy07

@Tucci78@fellowcivicskid I can without a doubt shed my opinion on a forum with political ass blowers and not care for the feedback. FDR had his flaws yes, but for the time and situation he was exactly what the country needed. This same scenario happens during every presidency, different men are needed for the times. Sadly, I am filled with pure disgust on how our political system works and is being ran. The constant bickering of the majority two party system will be the end to our nation in the long run. Look at every election period and how each individual changes to attempt to win over the people. Politics, as well as forums such as this, is nothing about running our nation and leading its' people. It is simply who has their head further up a politician's ass and for what questionable cause and reason. Rep blame Dem for problems, Dem blames rep. It is an EQUAL shit storm thanks to both these parties. A person always seems to wander away from the much needed and common sense viewpoint and fall right in line with the rest of their party in fear of being shunned, losing a vote, or their position within government. Career politicians have ruined this nation. Regardless of your opinion, this is mine. Regardless of the outcome to this upcoming election, similar to those past, nothing will be solved or change for the greater good. Why, because neither party will allow for the change. Like I said, even if it is the common sense and much needed directional move for our nation one group will always stand in way of the other. We will never pull away from old useless ties, we will never correct our own mistakes, we will never finally lay out a plan to correct our money mistakes, we will never bounce back.

Tucci78
Tucci78

@JGuy07@fellowcivicskid - "Personally I wish we could keep the isolationist policy, however it is not possible in the world we currently live in."

I do NOT hanker for isolationism. There are definitely (much as I dislike the word) collective American interests beyond our territorial boundaries, and we must have an active as well as reactive foreign policy to provide for those interests.

That understood, however, we need to institute an ongoing process akin to "zero-based budgeting" in all our foreign policy formulations and actions, keeping our eyes on the consideration of each such policy element as to how it serves our national interests.

Or does damage to those interests. Or just does us no damned good at all.

It is profoundly wrong to adhere - blindly, unthinkingly, without re-examination - to commitments made by our retired or dead politicians years and decades ago. Circumstances change, knowledge grows, we achieve better understanding of what can and will serve us as a republic.

In the very WORST sense, our political conservatives refuse to recognize these plain facts of reality, and fail all the goddam time - in the words of the fighter pilot - "to check their six."

This kind of cement-headed lack of situational awareness, this persistent obstinacy sliding over into the obtuse, is INFURIATING. They refuse to "read and react" worth a damn, and they turn our national foreign policy into the equivalent of a lead life preserver fasted upon the U.S. body politic.

As for "...one of our greatest leaders, F.D.R."....

Hoo, boy. You do NOT want to go there. Especially not in an online forum supporting the presidential campaign of a candidate who got into politics as the result of studying the work of the Austrian School political economics.

Suffice it to say that what you think you know about F.D.R. is quite precisely equivalent to what was taught to good little Hitler Jugend in the Third Reich about their Beloved Fuhrer back in the 1930s.

You've been suckered, and I don't think you're going to like learning just how thoroughly that's been done to you.

JGuy07
JGuy07

I haven't read majority of your statements or the rebuttals against you, but with my education I feel as if I can make a valid judgement and opinion. There are NUMEROUS terror groups stemming from Palestine. These groups aim for nothing more but killing jews, and those that side with them. I am also tired of people believing that Palestine is the oppressed just because Israel is a more dominant state and all news programs display are poverty stricken civilains depicted as being pushed around by the Israel military. People don't understand that conflicts like this have been going on for generations, decades, centuries and more. It isn't a simple answer for why, the reason is deep and twisted amongst several things. Major one, religion. Top reason why the Muslim world dislikes Israel and the U.S. is because of religion. True Islam is different, yet with every generation growing up in todays world they follow the more radical views. It will never end. If tables were turned on all these people that say blame Israel and blame U.S. they wouldn't think the way they do anymore. Being surrounded by nations who wishes to annihilate your existence based of your religion being different and you living on "holy land' which apparently seems to encompass the majority of anywhere Muslims live. @Colorado @Sean_Hellems @Thomas12

Colorado
Colorado

@ExLonghorn@Sean_Hellems@Thomas12 Ever heard the term the best defense is a good offense. Based on your comments it sounds like you are the type of person that will wait to get hit then start to prepare for a fight that has already come. Another words a PUSSY

Colorado
Colorado

@Sean_Hellems@Thomas12 Wow you people amaze me with the half truths and leaving out convenient facts so to make it like the POOR Palestinian people. Israel could easily solve the problem and wipe them off the map. If Israel was so bad why didn't they do it? Because THEY are the ones trying to live in peace not the other way around. Israel could easily take over most of that entire region with little problem. But they don't and try and live in peace, they only fire back AFTER they are attacked

JGuy07
JGuy07

@Colorado @Sean_Hellems@steve80 I could've kept going using different topics with relation to each other based on this whole "war on terror" and how religion has effected things. My major in school in which I received my bachelors was Homeland Security. All the information I've learned and spent time gathering in my 4 years of the program as well as law enforcement have given me a broader and more open view on the world. Which some people still seem to lack. I can even relate things I've seen, as far as documents and evidence are concerned, that I can attach to our security measures with TSA in the airports. Everything has a connection, yet most people are unwilling to seek facts and real world knowledge before they place their opinion or vote for something. At the young age of 23 I feel I know more than majority of citizens as it pertains to homeland security and this "war on terror". I've seen evidence; including documents, audio and video, and pictures which have given me the knowledge to voice my opinion as I believe it true. I really did mean it when I said I can dig for that man's as I posted earlier in my notebook but it would take far too much time. I could've written a novel on here last night....but it would've been for nothing as you put it, it would've been seen as a lie. People can believe what they want, but the 'wisdom' of someone who is deaf, dumb, and blind doesn't reach very far.

Colorado
Colorado

@JGuy07@Sean_Hellems@steve80 Very well put, but I am sure the nut jobbers will say it is ALL a lie. Because truth and facts do not apply to them. But you are dead on and this is what I was trying to say but get so mad at their unwillingness to look at other possible truths. But you put it perfectly TY

JGuy07
JGuy07

As if the United States acts alone? As if the United States doesn't take action based off requests from other nations or groups such as the UN? People conveniently seem to forget these things when trying to make sense of their arguments. The royal family in SA ALLOWED the so called "infidel" into their land. Bottom line, NOT an attack on their "holy land". And the Muslim faith DOES NOT provide reason or justification as you think it does or mentioned it gives them. There is a difference between a true muslim, and a radical extremist. If I were to dig through my notebook I could find a name, but it would take too much time. Many years ago a man, Muslim, wrote his own version of what he believed the quron should be interpreted as. This book later became known as a radical extremists viewpoint in which followers began to act upon. Simply meaning, this ONE man began to sway an entire religion. Over time and generations, with wars going on and the anti-Israel/Jew movement continued as it ALWAYS had since before the times of the Crusades Muslims actually began to follow this viewpoint of ONE man as what the Quran REALLY is. It is a FALSE belief viewpoint and nothing like what a Muslim should behave and believe. In this book he exclaims that ALL followers of the prophet are brothers and have the right to put themselves on a pedestal over those who do not follow the same way as they do. Ever heard the 'rule' that Muslims are brothers and aren't allowed to knowingly take the life of another Muslim? That's false too, they do it everyday! Overall bottom line being all this difference in religion and nonsense is nothing but centuries of continued hatred. Not because we fought the Gulf War, not because we stand beside freedoms (although our society and rules disgust them so we should die?), not because we bombed them (not innocents, yet terror groups), not because we stick our nose in all over the world, yet for pure simple hatred that many people have continued to try and justify yet can only spew out nonsense and petty differences. @Sean_Hellems @Colorado @steve80

Colorado
Colorado

@Sean_Hellems@steve80 We were invited to Saudi not invaded good try though. And if a book says something by God lets go out and kill 3000 innocent civilalns. Because 1 man got mad because the kingdom chose us to defend them and not OBL

ExLonghorn
ExLonghorn

No, I don't underestimate the risk China poses to Taiwan at all. I also don't really care. Taiwan is making a great deal of money and they can look after their own defense. Israel is a small country, and is doing a pretty good job against determined enemies. In fact, i like the idea of American businesses finally understanding the risks associated with off-shoring their supply chains to at-risk countries.

lucky85
lucky85

This was not created by Obama, it wasn't what he wanted at all. This was a much watered-down version of a healthcare bill thanks mainly to the repugs, who want to keep the status quo.

john lockes ghost
john lockes ghost

How long does it take? Obama and the democrats had the opportunity to reverse things, but chose, instead, to create an ill-defined system of health care that will cost the American taxpayers more than they can afford at a time when money becomes more precious. @lucky85

lucky85
lucky85

We're in a dire situation now where jobs are being lost by the boatloads both because both bad legislation pushed in the past by the repugs, and corporations who care about nothing but the bottom line. Unless this situation is changed, things will only get worse.

lucky85
lucky85

It's not just "low-skill" jobs that are being outsourced, almost all job classes are being outsourced now including programmers, healthcare professionals, and many trades. This environment has been encouraged by the repugs, who have passed tax incentives for companies to "EXPORT" jobs out of the country, Obama is working to reverse this situation.

john lockes ghost
john lockes ghost

@ExLonghorn The problem is that it's not just the low skill jobs being sent overseas (although I don't view manufacturing jobs as low skill) it's high tech jobs in the IT industries and good ole Bill Gates is the biggest offender. These kinds of jobs go mostly to India, but likely to China, also. Additionally, foreign workers come to the U.S. on special visas and take away American jobs because they underbid Americans. The consequence is that the unemployed and under employed are filled with Americans that have been displaced by ill-conceived and misguided programs in the name of globalization. Globalization might be great for management, but it is anathema to labor. By moving our manufacturing capabilities overseas, you are also moving that skill set overseas with it and, in time, you won't have the capability to fabricate anything. You mentioned machinists. Did you know that we have such a severe shortage of skilled machinists that were a gun turret on an Abrams tank fail due to a worn out part, that the entire turret must be replaced because we lack the machinists to do the repairs? Now, I'm not militaristic by any means, but there may come a time when we actually do have to defend our nation and I sure as hell don't want to have to hire foreign workers to repair our equipment. @john lockes ghost

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