Ron Paul Not a Freemason




Ron Paul is not, and never has been, a mason or freemason.

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  1. You can't be seroius. I mean your name says "i'm not serious" i realize. lol HE WAS REACHING..STRETCHING over a table such that his arm was sideways. HOT NEWS FLASH. No freemason would do secret handshakes on a national show. It's just ignorant to even think this would happen. Look at him stretching ..barely able to reach the guy... it was an awkward reach and thus a different looking handshake than normal. People are seriously having to REALLY STRETCH (like ron did there..lol) to find something wrong with this.

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  2. I am speaking in regards of my local Lodges. Personal acquaintances and Mason family members. I am not a Mason. It is a part of my life though, and in my experience, Masons do not recruit... The Freemasons, being an open ballot community all over the U.S. and Europe will have different methods of 'deception'. Obviously, Freemasons are like any other big-scale organization in that it has to advertise somewhat and one can be a crook, a liar, or a Mason. However, a successful Lodge in a community has a big impact. In no way am I defending Masons, promoting them, or claiming to know it all. Just my experience.

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  3. @Mattwatts- I got a reply to you from someone in my email..but I can't find it in here for some reason. These forums may need better organization (like.. back in the day when we had threaded news reader. ooowwaa. Facebook is the same way. THey just ramble everyone's post all in a big linear blop. It's like everyone forgot how to think or something. Who is doing the s/w for all these things these days? F/b used to work and they destroyed it. Oh well.

    Anyway LET ME JUST SAY Matt... that (if you saw his post) this is true I believe about Albert Pike. But it's not that freemasonry was necessarily founded to be *that*. It's just that with this kind of humanistic conception, those are the kinds of manifestations you'll see always. It's hard to explain without going to elaborate details but..just that human beings tend to be insecure down deep. And in searching for that security they will try to set up some least common denominator thing that works to provide them some sense of security. Conspiring in secret with your buddies about things has a real appeal. Being sworn to secrecy and all that.

    And now what you have is basically a religion of sorts. You all follow the rules OR ELSe! lol. So since the one who started this 'religion' of eating of the tree of the knowledge of what is good/evil for ourselves.... is Lucifer... naturally there he is waiting at the end with his hand extended. So that's why people that get immersed into this kind of thing don't usually trend towards becoming Christians as a result of their involvement but rather...quite the opposite.

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  4. Freemasonry is a respectable, charitable organization. Those who discredit it are usually ones who simply refuse to take time to visit a lodge and learn if its appropriate for their lifestyle. Doors are always open to non masons. Masons do not recruit as a respect to free-minded individuals who wish to discover on their own. The Masons respect history and culture which is why symbols that may seem esoteric are used. Religion is not a factor. Political views are not a factor. It is unfortunate that an organization practicing good will, which further strengthens community ties is clouded in the internet rants of the uninformed... And I am voting for Ron Paul. Not as a Freemason, but as a tax-paying, voting, individual.

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    • @EnochArden There are secret oaths. That's always troubling. People at the lower levels indeed are affiliated in something that appears to be charitable fun fellowship etc. However the whole INTENT of it was that it be like the rudder in a ship. That through this 'order' which has a hierarchy of leaders.... is that those at the top be able t steer a culture through it. That's why it was developed *with* a hierarchy...oaths of secrecy etc. How do you think that all started? It started with the conception of a bunch of guys meeting at places like the "Hellfire club" apparently. Teachings of Francis Bacon etc. woven into a plan that would allow the elite to control people without them knowing who to go to with the swords and torches and pitchforks. I was invited to demo-lay or whatever it is as a kid. I asked what it was and the kid wouldn't tell me so i didn't go. But everyone was invited. So not sure what you mean they don't 'recruit...? THey try to get people socially involved and then escalate the involvement like any group that wants to succeed in whatever they are trying to do. To say they aren't 'religious' ...well they aren't affiliated with particular denominations. However wherever you go in their dwelling places you'll see symbology that is all about humans being their own answer to things so... it's technically a humanistic slant in all cases I've seen.you know what they say about a void? :-) And certainly that 'religion' gets effectively pushed to the membership. The belief that man is his own answer to his own problems etc. Problem is People's hearts are deceitful. YET they need social interaction and a feeling of stability and affirmation. This humanistic environment provides that for people. Yet their hearts are ..still self-centered at the core. Regardless how they try to make themselves look good..until some actual CHANGE in that motivation they learned while being a child who could only think of themself .. WHen did it change? I do a song like that. First song I wrote. So I guess it's an important theme to me :-)

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      • @RobertWeigel I think you are looking too much into the past of Freemasonry. Each Lodge is different. There is no set of standards other than the usual rituals. I see your points, but I guess you are looking at Freemasons on a broader scope than I am. I am speaking about the local Lodges that I have grown up around. I am not a Mason. I do have Mason family members and friends so it is a close part of my life... If you look at the symbols all the time, you can actually make yourself believe that it's somehow a cult I guess. It's just another group like the Knights of Columbus, Owls, or even FOP. It's not for everyone. You get from it, what you put into it.

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        • @EnochArden Hierarchies of large organizations rarely changes with time in terms of their fundamental purpose..simply because those at the top make sure to carefully groom people into taking their place who hold the same values. So I think the past has a lot of relevance. In that it's got 'levels' of involvement. The fearful thing of a secretive organization that does this, is that as you get higher and higher people are more and more socially vested. And thus those at the top can more and more begin to condition you to do the things they want.

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        • @RobertWeigel Way to state the obvious. People are conditioned at their very careers every day so being "conditioned" is not always a bad thing. And because its up to an individual to put in whatever level of involvement they want, each Mason will get a different result from a Lodge. I don't see why this is "scary". If a person is foolish enough to be controlled, they deserve whatever negative effects that incur. My uncle was a Master Mason and I can guarantee you he did not control anyone, nor was he controlled by anyone. Freemasons practice subjective free-thinking, not dynamic mind control... Maybe not so much History Channel, m'kay.

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        • @EnochArden Conditioned is a bad thing when there is an agenda overseeing it that interacts with what SHOULD be the private lives of others.For example... if some change monger happens to be at the top of such an organization that has..ahem..one use from the top's perspective anyway usually **, then the obvious types of things they are going to be involved in would be making investments and shifting things towards favoring that move. Or visa versa.For instance let's think of a classic example that's easy to explain (though not particularly associated with freemason activities that I know..I mean it wouldn't surprise me but I'm just offering this as an example of how change mongering works in general.) THE CATALYTIC CONVERTER. Of course some guy discovers the effect using metals that are fairly useless otherwise. A PROBLEM exists at the time that actually creates some WORSE forms of pollution using them (H2S and SO3!! from what are otherwise fairly harmless in low concentrations)Now..this whole *issue* is simply swept out of the way by feeding the environmental movement bad information so that they think it's a wonderful thing all the way around. And they lobby of insistence that all vehicles have one.MEANWHILE..back at the Ranch........... people who are working for this 'great cause' had simultaneously..of course... bough large interest in the previously worthless mines that produce a lot of the Pollonium/Palladium and what all. Since they could purchase it very cheaply. Well..people should be rewarded after all for this great thing they are doing right? No when stuff like that is revealed the people should lose their post and go to jail. Period. Each public servant should be dedicated to absolutely no trading/purchasing that is remotely linked to anything they have option to vote for etc. Otherwise we have inevitable conflict of interest corruption.Anyway that's mankind. And naturally an organization of the nature freemasonry is, winds up a functionally dedicated element for that sort of thing. Evil people are simply BETTER at weaseling their way into high positions. They don't mind for instance knocking off a nice guy who is above them. Because they are evil! lol. SO naturally an organization like this is destined to fall into that kind of corruption if it wasn't there from the onset.**.... HOT NEWS FLASH (more obvious stuff..obviously...) the people at the TOP don't need the social perks. LOL!

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        • @RobertWeigel That just made my brain bleed. You certainly have a knack for long-winded , ill-structured paragraphs. The point you made is a good one for another topic I guess.

          Of course conditioning is bad sometimes. I was not saying otherwise. However, Freemasonry simply has no agenda other than what it states openly. "Making good men better." It doesn't work for everyone, but It does for many. There is a Grand Lodge for local Blue Lodges, but don't entertain the idea that a Blue Lodge must somehow answer to a Grand Lodge. All Masons are individuals first, not Freemasons first. Your example was valid as it's own idea, just not useful to this conversation because Masons don't interfere with the private lives of other people. Once again, I suggest befriending a Mason or visiting a Lodge to have a better basis for your argument. Again, this is MY experience with Freemasonry. Different Masons will give you different perspectives. There is no one way to be a Mason.

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        • @RobertWeigel

          That just made my brain bleed. You certainly have a knack for long-winded, ill-structured paragraphs. The point you made is a good one for another topic I guess.

          Of course conditioning is bad sometimes. I was not saying otherwise. However, Freemasonry simply has no agenda other than what it states openly. "Making good men better." It doesn't work for everyone, but It does for many. There is a Grand Lodge for local Blue Lodges, but don't entertain the idea that a Blue Lodge must somehow answer to a Grand Lodge. All Masons are individuals first, not Freemasons first. Your example was valid as it's own idea, just not useful to this conversation because Masons don't interfere with the private lives of other people. Once again, I suggest befriending a Mason or visiting a Lodge to have a better basis for your argument. Again, this is MY experience with Freemasonry. Different Masons will give you different perspectives. There is no one way to be a Mason.

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        • @RobertWeigel@EnochArden Exactly; when you pay your dues you are part and parcel empowering these people to influence politics. Look at the wars and pollution; you're guilty with the leaders you support.

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        • @MatthewPittaway@RobertWeigel Everyone is guilty of different things so judge not, lest you be judged. It seems you are guilty of missing the point. I don't know how many times I have to repeat this, so hopefully this is my last time... THESE ARE MY EXPERIENCES WITH FREEMASONRY. MY FAMILY MEMBERS WHO ARE MASONS ARE GOOD PEOPLE AND HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ALL THIS CONSPIRACY NONSENSE PROJECTED ON THEM BY NON-MASONS WHO ARE TOO LAZY TO VISIT A LODGE AND REALLY LEARN ABOUT IT. IT IS MUCH EASIER TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE AND SLING MUD AT SOMEONE GIVING A PERSONAL HONEST ACCURATE ACCOUNT OF THE ORGANIZATION THAN IT IS TO SOUND INTELLIGENT ON THE MATTER.

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        • @EnochArden@MatthewPittaway 1) Turn the constant caps off, it's annoying. It looks like a nigerian scammer font. lol.2) You are taking the 'do not judge' verse out of context. It says the kind of judgment you want to avoid (note that in John 7 as I recall Yeshua said TO MAKE right judgments but *not* to judge by appearances.) is one that you don't want to be judged by.I HOPE people will judge me rightly because if I'm in error truly, I need to hear correction. Much like..I'm correcting you for pulling a scripture out of context and misrepresenting it's meaning. This is addressing a particular KIND of judgement that is established in context. Were we simply not to 'judge' in any way, we could not obey many of the other scriptures Jesus gives like Matthew 18:15-xx.3) Jesus said "Why do you call me 'good' for no one is good by the Father in heaven"Now in other context Yeshua said he and the Father were one and if you've seen him you've seen the Father. So..he was asking a leading question there :-) Few got the answer right. Oh well.

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        • @EnochArden@MatthewPittaway stupid character limit then it won't let you cut/paste! If you keep playing around it lets you. Frustrating.. continuing anyway..NOW AS I HAVE SAID MANY freemasons have no idea what is going on at the top. They have no idea why they are being told to wear funny hats and go spreading joy to every girl and boy or whatever it is they are doing. And the guys who proved faithful in that and got to the next level have no idea why they are being told other things and other things and other things above that until they are working to do more and more overtly the will of the people at the top. Naturally the first level of any multi-level organization is there to legitimize the organization. So it's moot as to how nice people are because yes they are to act that way from the beginning and if they act disorderly of course they will be pulled aside and if they don't respond will be kicked out eventually of course. But what happens at the higher levels? Something closer and closer to the agenda of the people at the top which is WHY the organization exists AS that kind of structure. Anyway the rest of us are self-centered and the only way we can be delivered of that is to get real and admit that we are NOT good. That in our heart we have selfish motives. And to surrender our hearts to him so that he can renew our mind as Romans 12 speaks of etc. Ok if we're going to bring scriptures in let's at least bring them in real context in the future ok?

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        • @RobertWeigel@MatthewPittaway It is actually subjective. Most believe it means don't judge unfairly. I am fully aware of its meaning as were you aware of my context in which it was delivered. Do not get into theology debates with me please. I am a professor with a DMH and a Th.D... Once again you have proven that your skill for over analysis is a good fit for conspiracy theorists. I felt the caps were necessary because I keep making an understandable point that somehow keeps getting irrelevant responses. I thought maybe it is hard to read because the letters are too small. Certainly not because it is illogical.

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        • @EnochArden Look..I don't have time for insulting people. You have a knack for shooting your own credibility in the foot by posting ad hominem. I'll just ignore you. I have no time for that.

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        • @RobertWeigel I think you are being overly- sensitive. At any rate, I was really not trying to be insulting to you. I apologize if that is how it came off... I don't think anybody's credibility can be judged in impersonal chat rooms for that matter... Perhaps flaunting my education seems pompous, but I felt it necessary to inform you that I indeed understand the Bible and the context of it's scripture. In fact, I am employed to do so. Being told I don't understand easy scripture is offensive to the years of study and teaching I currently practice... I wish you peace, and hopefully not a distasteful regard of our conversation. God bless.

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        • Fritz Springmeir

          @EnochArden @RobertWeigel. Being a Freemason per se is not evil. I have many friends that are in the blue lodge or are master Masons. Bieng a master Mason is only the 3 rd degree. By the way the term "getting the 3 rd degree" as the death of Hiram whiff is re enacted. After that the initiate is not yet an "adept" he can move on beyond the blue lodge to either the yorkish or Scottish rite. The Scottish seems he more popular of 9he 2 and it has 33 degrees. Most Masons never ascend to these higher degrees as my friends are happy staying in the blue degrees. Before

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        • @EnochArden@MatthewPittaway Just curious, what is the wording of the secret oath Freemasons take, and what is the punishment if they divulge this oath to a non-Freemason?

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        • @EnochArden@RobertWeigel Your mission is to infiltrate the Freemasons, quickly move up to 32nd Degree and then inform us of the truth. BTW do let us know the secret oath and the penalty for divulging it, if you are still able.

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      • the oaths are not secret, but sacred! as it should be for priests of melchizedek. Blind leading the blind, you people are.

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    • @EnochArden You need to get Tom HOrn's book Apollyon Rising 2012 and read it. It has all the info you need to know about the Masons! http://survivormall.com/ApollyonRising2012NephilimStargates.aspx

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  5. RON PAUL and Communist AYN RAND

    In his book, The Revolution: A Manifesto, Ron Paul recommended that his supporters read all of Ayn Rand’s books. Congressman Paul added a disclaimer that he has “strong disagreements with her on important matters.” His disagreements with Rand are never stated.

    “Ron Paul. A 10-term U.S. Congressman from Texas, Dr. Paul recently debuted a #1 bestselling book, ‘The Revolution: A Manifesto’, and in that book he places Ayn Rand’s ‘Atlas Shrugged’ firmly into his reading list, a couple of entries below Ayn Rand’s one-time intellectual ally, Isabel Paterson’s book, ‘The God of the Machine’ (which, it seems, both Dr. Paul and Ayn Rand highly enjoyed). But the most gracious acknowledgement to Ayn Rand is in what Dr. Paul wrote after the entry: ‘I consider all of Rand’s novels worth reading, in spite of my strong disagreements with her on important matters.’” (“Ayn Rand: The missing Libertarian Ingredient, the secret Ron Paul ingredient,” The Revolution: A Manifesto, p. 172)

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  6. If he was a Freemason it would be wrong for him to lie about it. I hope that all these people who are bashing Freemasonry would grow up and see it for what it is. "Making good men better" I am proud to be a Freemason and If Ron Paul was one I am sure he would be proud of it as well. It is against masonic code to use Freemasonry for political gain.

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    • @MattWatts

      "Making good men better" I am proud to be a Freemason...Making good men better? Not that a man can walk alongside with God not by himself but with others whom desperately seek him through brainwashing institutions like....The masons or freemasonry Luciferian Doctrine....Yes, you can too become a God, young MattWatts....

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      • @ TheorgTheralorg-

        A man can walk among God by himself. There is no doubt about that. Freemasonry offers absolutely no salvation for it is not a church or a religion. It is a fraternity. That is like comparing the Lions Club to the Catholic church. There is a big difference. Of my time as a Freemason I have never once seen any relation to Lucifer. All these crazy nut job preachers writing books on the evils of Freemasonry are out for nothing more then to put another dollar in their pocket. I believe that Freemasonry has brought me closer to God by being around other great men who are out to do good for others. I am protestant and do not believe that we can ever become God. I believe that Jesus Christ died for my sins and I am one of Gods children. I will never be God nor will I ever claim to be..

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        • @MattWattsAlbert Pike, author of 'Morals and Dogma,' a doctrinal treatise of Freemasonry writes:

          "Masonry is a search after Light [note Pike uses the proper noun]. That search leads us directly back, as you see, to the Kabalah." (Morals and Dogma, p.741)

          and then:

          "Lucifer, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish Souls? Doubt it not!" (Morals and Dogma, p.321)

          Although Pike admits that Lucifer is a bane to the feeble, sensual and selfish, nevertheless, Masonry searches for that Light. If this connection seems too obscure, this quote from Pike's book Occult Theocracy clears the matter up nicely:

          "To you Sovereign Grand Inspectors General, we say this, that you may repeat it to the Brethren of the 32nd, 31st and 30th degrees - The Masonic religion should be, by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian doctrine....Yes, Lucifer is God, and unfortunately Adonay is also God." (Occult Theocrasy, p.220-221), [Edith Starr Miller, The Christian Book Club of America].

          I do not doubt that you are a Christian, nor do I doubt that some preachers are employed gainfully by the defamation of Freemasonry; however, there is little doubt that at the highest levels Freemasonry is a Luciferian religion; and so says Freemasonry's most honored apologist, Albert Pike.

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        • @Stone@MattWatts You are living in the History/Discovery Channel world of lame documentaries. If you are cynical about the Masons, I suggest you go to a local Blue Lodge and actually speak to someone face to face. The doors are always open to anyone.

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        • "@Stone @MattWatts Freemasonry is an elitest occult based oath in blood bndd group. The Freemason or the initiate or the adept consider us the normal folk "the profane " that is undeniable. Yes if you are in a blue lodge you have not gone 24beyond The 3rd degree as such u do not have a copy of moryals and dogma. by Albert Pike this has been like this since 1974 it is given at the 32 degree. So it is not a THING OF THE PAST any Mason stating that is at the bottom of the pyramid at its higher levels it is luciferan worship and adonay is the God of darkness. It is explained clearly here using Freemasons themselves. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtube_gdata_player&v=ZgFOa7hFnyg. I like ron it troubles me that his wife is a eastern star ( the female group of masonry and his children were rainbow ( the children's organization ) I just hope he is not a Trojan horse. Right now he is my only hope but his potential ties to Freemasonry trouble me. By the way Obama is a 32 degree prince hall lodge ( black lodge) as is Herman Cain. Perry is also a freemason as is bill Clinton. Hillary is a eastern star as is Palin. Hugo Chavez is also as is Fidel Castro level33 learn about there things. Much much more

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        • @Fritz Springmeir@Stone You are insane. Nothing more and nothing less. I have said it once I will say it again. Morals and Dogma is not that special. It can be bought on Amazon. At a Scottish RIte Temple. Even be read at your local library. You know nothing about the Scottish Rite. You seem to be looking at alot of conspiracy sources. Bill Clinton is not a freemason. He was in the Demolay as a child but never became a freemason. I wouldnt know anything about Obama being a freemason or not. Prince hall is different than free and accepted. I doubt that he is though considering everything else you just said is false.

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  7. Does it matter people?!? Ron Paul is a GOOD man and has got my vote :) I know nothing of politics, I am 20 years old, live in Florida, & a simple man... I've felt so demoralized over the past years, all this crazy 'nwo' & taking over the world stuff, brainwashing America, & secret societies that really run the world as we know it, It all left me feeling hopeless. But when I came across Ron Paul on the television, I felt a sense of happiness, hope :) the things he says is just absolutely inspiring to me, & I Hope America will WAKE UP & really see what I see. Google him. YouTube him. The man is Real. This is the Revolution. Do the right thing people. :) peace!

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  8. TheorgTherealorg

    ATTENTION AMERICAGod is sending us many leaders

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  9. Ontime. What the hell do you think people (truther dummies as you say) are doing already? Tell me which other candidates are focusing on who benefits monetarily other than Ron Paul. The federal reserve system and it's international banker owners are the ones who benefit monetarily.

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    • The Kingdom of God suffers violence and the violent take it by FORCE.

      The fascists will continue a planned and kill, steal and destroy everyone and everything in their path until WE STOP THEM!!!! Tuf Luv Pops

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  10. When are you "truther dummies" going to wake up and realize that they are ALL puppets. Have you forgotton who holds the purse strings? Have you never read or comprehended Rothschilds comment about caring not who runs the gov as long as he is able to print the money? Stop WASTING your time focusing on presidential puppets and start focusing on who benefits monetarily.

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  11. From what I've heard, can't confirm or validate, that some or most of the mid to lower level masons are good, and I hear rumors and conjecture about some of the upper level ones. But masons don't take running orders also, there is no real orders that go out to all the masons. RP's voting record is nearly flawless and that should say enough. He's been fighting the new world order every step of the way, and people are scared because they think he's too perfect. Realize that RP would be in the same league as MLK and JFK for championing liberty. And just because his wife and or daughters have some affiliation, doesn't mean they are championing the NWO. And the organization itself doesn't have any real power, groups like Bilderberg and Bohemian Grove have power, seeing as Council on Foreign Relations members attend both. Ron Paul is the truth, you can tell by his mannerisms he is the real deal, you can detect honest and a good heart in his voice.

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  12. By the way id take Obama's Muslim mumbo jumbo over Freemason any day. But they have been quoted as saying something like (No matter who you vote for you are always voting for us.) How jacked up is that? Its time we all go to Goooosh I may have spelled that wrong but its those letters.. From here on out we will select who runs and who don't run. Then we pick who we want out of that.. They don't pick no more.. Plus from what I understand they are a bunch of old dudes.. Like Bush daddy. How much longer do you think that old dude has got? Sad part is im up there in age right along with them. Ill never see a clear day.

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    • Teresa, believe that is the truth; we think we have a choice but not really. Watch a good video by George Carlin on utube the illousin of choice. Really good vieo. The NWO has been running the show and were are just like sheep on the plantation. The plantation meaning America.

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  13. Ron Paul being a Freemason means everything. It would be a straight up coin toss over the Mormons and the Freemasons. They equally do not worship Jesus Christ. But I have been about 3 to 4 days researching this as deep as I can go and I can not take to more.. My heart is starting the feel heavy.. I am finished with it.. Every President except for Abe and JFK were all Freemasons. 2 out the the four assassination presidents were the only two not worshiping Satan. But Abe did call upon the spirits for guidance through seances Performed in the White House. So the only one left was the adulterous one who had the affair with the equally guilty Marlin Monroe although I admire a lot about her that part is horrible but we all fall to temptation and sin from time to time. That does not say we are Satan lovers like people who are Freemasons. I really would like conformation plz. Perfect straight line or not holds no differences to be.. Demons can run a person life when they feel fit to.. They could be waiting until election. So lets try and have this confirmed. Ron Paul will respect our concerns. After all who could blame us. Our government so far has almost a perfect evil record.

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    • The freemasons go back to the knights Templar. JFK was the only person who stood against the secret societies. I did see something that RP was a freemason but it was a while back. Don't remember where I came across that info.

      Even Obma is a freemason.

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    • Whether Ron Paul is a Freemason or not is completely irreverent. I doubt that he is. So what if he is? What difference does it make? My main concern is can he do be a good president. Personally I think he can; though he is in for a hell of a battle in the form of status quo folks preventing him from restoring this country as a great nation again.

      I think a lot of folks are really caught up in a whole lot of conspiracy theory crap. I know because I was caught up in this crap myself. If there is a shadow government (I tend to lean in the direction that there might be) do you suppose that your fear is precisely what they want? Fear is a great control tool.

      For the record: Nine of the signers of the Declaration of Independence and thirteen of the signers of the Constitution were Freemasons. This is confirmed. If the Freemasons were trying to take over the country do you suppose it is because this isn't the same country they helped form in the first place?

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      • Wanna know how and why our 'country' was formed?

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91qs9v-upWI&feature=related

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        • @DrMichelle great video. I agree on Mormons at least before the quorum of 70 and what I learned up and through my mission Jesus Christ is taught. I did go through the temple and received their oaths covenants and initiations i do not know if at higher levels as in freemasonry it changes though.

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      • Secret Societies are unnacceptable in a free republic, PERIOD. And Christ said "Do not swear..." so as soon as a organization wants you to make an oath; get out! Run! Rev. Pittaway

        If they are good; they will come to the light so their works may be seen by all, but the evil hide because their DEEDS ARE EVIL! ~Christ Our Lord

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    • I am an expert on what mormons worship. They do worship Jesus Christ. That is a fallacy. I spent over 35 years an active mormon. I just no longer do any organized religion, but I can guarantee they do worship Christ.

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    • I am an expert on what mormons worship. They do worship Jesus Christ. That is a fallacy when you say they do not. I spent over 35 years an active mormon. I just no longer do any organized religion, but I can guarantee they do worship Christ.

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  14. Lukarious Shijkonite

    Actually RP is a confirmed 100% Freemason, just check out youtube where he is seen handshaking other masons. He is controlled oppsoition to you sheep who think finally you have somone on your side... wRONg.

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    • At least post some kind of factual proof other than claiming his handshake on Bill Maher to "PJ O'Rourke & Ben Affleck" was for masonic intentions. Or the two pictures of him doing a half-assed love/wave are hidden intentions as well. I'm a Ron Paul supporter, but open minded to "confirmed EVIDENCE". I'm not sure who confirmed he is a mason, other than yourself. Are you "confirming" from the picture you seen of him @ Georgetown Jesuit University or his speech @ the JBS? Has he not done a ton of speeches @ other universities? Do you make a speech at a place where people claim to be your supporters? Do you lump his supporters ideologies as him agreeing with them? Are you the same person that thinks, because he got a donation from a KKK member(s?), that he's also affiliated with them? If a racist person walks into my establishment and I serve them their order, am I also a racist?

      Or wait, is your mindset concerning this?

      "1. Ron Paul's father was a Freemason and Dr. Paul has said himself many times that he respects the organization and has been to many of the open meetings in his district. I should know, I was his scheduler for ten years.

      2. His wife, Carol is a member of the Velasco Order of the Eastern Star and maintains her membership in the Freeport area lodge.

      3. Their daughters, Lori and Joy, were both Rainbow girls, another organization associated with Freemasonry."

      Which is supposed to be from, "http://www.dailypaul.com/node/46310". That's supposedly a forum post by a "scheduler" affiliated with the RP campaign. I can make a post on the forum and claim anything. However, they seem to get moderated. Whether a RP affiliate doesn't get monitored or they just implemented it prior to that, that's an open discussion. There's been nothing more to bring the above to light, so I disregard it as a smear tactic.

      I will change on a dime or a 50cent piece if I know someone has a hidden agenda that's far from their original one. The part is "knowing". How can I know something if people have bullshit arguments that are lifeless and have no origination.

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      • Paul Newman - Tulsa. Well said. I do know that a lot of people have joined organizations that you mentioned and never see anything of them that would lead them to think that there is anything malevolent about them.
        It does seem like when one person makes the claim that a Ron Paul (or whomever) is a mason, all the RP (or whomever) haters just pick up that ball and run with it to make them look like the anti-Christ.

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    • I saw this really goofy video trying to portray him raising his hands with a satanic symbol supposedly. First it's so easy to video edit these days..I'd want some proof that was even original footage. Secondly though people see things at times and imitate without even thinking about what they're doing. eg. he sees rock stars doing it and gets in an environment where the crowd is cheering and imitates the gesture to get the crowd laughing or whatever. THen some idiot takes the video out of that context and posts it as PROOF..as though a REAL satanists would make a satanic gesture KNOWING that someone is going to ruin his career over it in front of a crowd like that! LOL!Seriously... people need to get a brain or they're going to wind up with one of the OTHER candidates who we have like 400X the evidence that they are up to something overtly not good. haha. eg. Cain wanting to tax poor people 28% of their income. (9 plus the 9 since they spend near all they make... plus 10 for social security ). Great..another angle by which to totally ruin the sector that can't set their own wage etc.Anyway HANDSHAKES... I just viewed this IDIOTIC video that shows him stretching over the top of a table and winding up with a slightly awkward angled handshake since neither person was in a natural position maybe to comfortably turn their hand totally sideways. lol. I mean SERIOUSLY NOBODY would do this on national tv if they WERE a satanist or whatever. Gimme a break. People are just too silly to think things through I guess.

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  15. can we verify this letter some how?

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  16. Ron Paul's wife and daughter are confirmed Eastern Star.

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    • Confirmed by who? Where? The NORMAL way to insert such a point is to put some reference to an interview. Otherwise it's just some faceless person making a hand waving claim which..makes said person look frankly stupid. BACK IT OR STOP IT. That's what intelligent people do. They don't spread unconfirmed rumors. Please give some credible reference. It's certainly POSSIBLe that a non-mason would marry someone who had that in their background and then they put their daughter in some program. Whatever. I don't see how that affects Ron directly . People do what they do. Not everyone marries into a perfect situation. There are often things to work out. However PLEASE POST REFERENCES GARY.

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    • you uuoy@Gary Webb yyo

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    • @Gary Webb you are correct Gary and that is what concerns me. It is highly unlikely for a woman to belong if her husband were not.

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  17. Read his statement of faith, examine his life, his medical practice, service record and voting history. Ron Paul doesn't need anything else to speak for his integrity.

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  18. The low-level free-masons are usually what they appear, albeit arrogant and ignorant to their masters' true agenda. The upper-level masons are either Brotherhood elite/Dark Illuminati/Bilderberg members, or controlled by them.

    RK

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  19. Agreed Warbard, Ron Paul would make a good Mason. By and large, Freemasons are a pretty liberty-minded group and a surprising number support Dr. Paul, including me!

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    • The issue most have with freemasonry is it's a secretive organization with oaths and all that. Once a person takes such an oath they are basically putting their FAITH in humanity not doing corrupt things that they would, in good conscience, have to warn people about.Umm. Humanity has a crummy track record. So I'd recommend opting out of that for sure.

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  20. Damn shame if he is not. That would have said a lot for him as a man of integrity!

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