Taxes
Ron Paul supports the elimination of the income tax and the Internal Revenue Service (IRS). He asserts that Congress had no power to impose a direct income tax and has called for the repeal of the 16th Amendment to the Constitution, which was ratified on February 3, 1913.
An income tax is the most degrading and totalitarian of all possible taxes. Its implementation wrongly suggests that the government owns the lives and labor of the citizens it is supposed to represent. Tellingly, “a heavy progressive or graduated income tax” is Plank #2 of the Communist Manifesto, which was written by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels and first published in 1848.
To provide funding for the federal government, Ron Paul supports excise taxes, non-protectionist tariffs, massive cuts in spending.
Ron Paul discusses the income tax and the “FAIR Tax” in May 2007:
On November 20, 2008 Ron Paul said in a New York Times / Freakonomics interview:
“I want to abolish the income tax, but I don’t want to replace it with anything. About 45 percent of all federal revenue comes from the personal income tax. That means that about 55 percent — over half of all revenue — comes from other sources, like excise taxes, fees, and corporate taxes.
We could eliminate the income tax, replace it with nothing, and still fund the same level of big government we had in the late 1990s. We don’t need to “replace” the income tax at all. I see a consumption tax as being a little better than the personal income tax, and I would vote for the Fair-Tax if it came up in the House of Representatives, but it is not my goal. We can do better.”
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I’m a paraplegic so I live on the dole. And workman’s comp (since 1991). (I never settled with them.)
I’d like to some figures. If we discontinued the irs how would that cut back on cake and circuses? Can we even cut that much spending?
We are talking about a complete overhaul of government and society. I’m not against it, but I don’t see how it could come about without a revolution. Say, a constitution reimplementation kind of uprising
We ought to be teaching about the constitution, in depth, in our schools. Then, people like me would have realized years ago that our rights were being eroded, that the income tax was illegal.
Thanks,
Lee Dillard
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http://political-resources.com/taxes/16thamendment/default.htm
Income tax is not constitutional. The 16th amendment was not ratified. If you do not know what that means, don’t bother replying.
Secretary of State Philander Knox on February 25, 1913 declared the 16th to be “in effect” but never produced any evidence it was fully ratified.
WAKE UP AMERICA!!! THE BANKS (FED) ARE STEALING YOUR INHERITANCE.
JD
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Ron Paul and all you other idiots who think the income tax is illegal are morons. It’s cited 3 times in the constitution the power invested to tax AND countless countless court cases in which every single case was loss by the “income tax law is illegal.” You’re all morons. Also, the 16th amendment doesn’t give the power, it only was meant to clarify, with or without it the government has constitutional and common law power to tax. NO lawyer would tell you otherwise.
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MP replies:
December 29th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
I don’t care if taxes are legal or not, thats not the issue today. the issue is that our government is taxing the hell out of us, with spending out of control with no…I mean ZERO accountability. Social Security is a Ponzi scheme and we have been duped. Our government is out of control and this new Obama admin is just a continuation of the same old tax and spend policies. Our first black president isn’t going to change a single thing. The moron ends up being you for falling for a bunch of criminals running the country.
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Goodwater replies:
January 1st, 2009 at 8:02 pm
Girardacles:
Since you are so adamant that the Income Tax is authorized in the U. S. Constitution would you please cite the Article, Section and Clause where the Congress has authority to implement this anti-growth progressive tax. And I don’t mean citing the 16th Amendment which the U. S. Supreme Court refuses to hear the evidence of its illegality - so much for our right to petition.
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Girardacles: in fact, the Supreme Court, in Pollock v. Farmers’ Loan & Trust Company (1895) ruled that income tax was, in fact, unconstitutional. The 16 amendment, in fact, was NOT meant to clarify but instead overruled Pollock. You are correct in your assertion that the Constitution gives the power to tax, but not on general income, and, moreover, the Federal Government is restrained to taxing interstate or international commerce.
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I would be completely happy with not paying federal income tax. Not only do I not see where my money goes nationally, I also don’t get to invest that money for my family’s future. An investment I SHOULD be able to make at my descretion since social security is a Ponzi scheme by definition.
I shouldn’t have to pay the government to pay private companies to wage wars. I shouldn’t have to pay the government to bail out terrible businesses and business men that can’t do their job well. I don’t get bailed out if I do a bad job.
Why pay billions in bail outs to companies with unsuccessful business models when our bridges need repaired and our teachers need better training and resources.
Give me my money. If not, then use it to make the standard of living for my family and my neibhors better.
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Girardacles:
Since you first responded to my post, I must apologize to you directly for taking so long to respond. These crazy “Holidays” get us all out of our routines.
In my original post, I stated the 16th Amendment was not ratified. The Amendment was declared “In effect”, but it still has not been properly ratified. The following states have not ratified the amendment according to the constitutional requirements:
Connecticut
Florida
Oregon
Pennsylvania
Rhode Island
Utah
Virginia
The states listed above did not ratify the amendment and reported the amendment not ratified at the time of the amendment being declared “in effect”.
Kentucky
Tennessee
Wyoming
The states listed above never ratified the amendment in a constitutional manner, but they reported it as amended.
Delaware
Michigan
Nevada
New Hampshire
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Vermont
Wyoming
The above states are missing critical evidence that the amendment was ratified, although they do report it as ratified.
Idaho
Iowa
Kentucky
Minnesota
Missouri
Washington
The above states do not have an official signature by the Governor approving ratification, which is required by the constitution.
Also of note, several other states approved the amendment, but with changes to the wording. An official acknowledgement of the conditions was never met. Therefore, several states are still awaiting an official Federal response to their conditions.
Girardacles:
The 16th has not been properly ratified. If it has, and if income tax is a legal taxation, then please give the board the same amount of time I have given to prove it so. Please do not copy and paste links. Please do not call me names. Please just give the same time and research. Show me where I am wrong.
Is the 16th properly ratified?
Thank you for your time and consideration of this post.
Jeremy
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