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Ron Paul supports the elimination of the income tax and the Internal Revenue Service (IRS). He asserts that Congress had no power to impose a direct income tax and has introduced legislation to repeal of the 16th Amendment to the Constitution, which was ratified on February 3, 1913.

An income tax is the most degrading and totalitarian of all possible taxes. Its implementation wrongly suggests that the government owns the lives and labor of the citizens it is supposed to represent. Tellingly, “a heavy progressive or graduated income tax” is Plank #2 of the Communist Manifesto, which was written by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels and first published in 1848.

To provide funding for the federal government, Ron Paul supports excise taxes, non-protectionist tariffs, massive cuts in spending.

Ron Paul discusses the income tax and the “FAIR Tax” in May 2007:

On November 20, 2008 Ron Paul said in a New York Times / Freakonomics interview:

“I want to abolish the income tax, but I don’t want to replace it with anything. About 45 percent of all federal revenue comes from the personal income tax. That means that about 55 percent — over half of all revenue — comes from other sources, like excise taxes, fees, and corporate taxes.

We could eliminate the income tax, replace it with nothing, and still fund the same level of big government we had in the late 1990s. We don’t need to “replace” the income tax at all. I see a consumption tax as being a little better than the personal income tax, and I would vote for the Fair-Tax if it came up in the House of Representatives, but it is not my goal. We can do better.”

On May 7, 2001, Ron Paul wrote the following column:

The Case Against the Income Tax

Could America exist without an income tax? The idea seems radical, yet in truth America did just fine without a federal income tax for the first 126 years of its history. Prior to 1913, the government operated with revenues raised through tariffs, excise taxes, and property taxes, without ever touching a worker’s paycheck. In the late 1800s, when Congress first attempted to impose an income tax, the notion of taxing a citizen’s hard work was considered radical! Public outcry ensued; more importantly, the Supreme Court ruled the income tax unconstitutional. Only with passage of the 16th Amendment did Congress gain the ability to tax the productive endeavors of its citizens.

Yet don’t we need an income tax to fund the important functions of the federal government? You may be surprised to know that the income tax accounts for only approximately one-third of federal revenue. Only 10 years ago, the federal budget was roughly one-third less than it is today. Surely we could find ways to cut spending back to 1990 levels, especially when the Treasury has single year tax surpluses for the past several years. So perhaps the idea of an America without an income tax is not so radical after all.

The harmful effects of the income tax are obvious. First and foremost, it has enabled government to expand far beyond its proper constitutional limits, regulating virtually every aspect of our lives. It has given government a claim on our lives and work, destroying our privacy in the process. It takes billions of dollars out of the legitimate private economy, with most Americans giving more than a third of everything they make to the federal government. This economic drain destroys jobs and penalizes productive behavior. The ridiculous complexity of the tax laws makes compliance a nightmare for both individuals and businesses. All things considered, our Founders would be dismayed by the income tax mess and the tragic loss of liberty which results.

America without an income tax would be far more prosperous and far more free, but we must be prepared to fight to regain the liberty we have lost incrementally over the past century. I recently introduced “The Liberty Amendment,” legislation which would repeal the 16th Amendment and effectively abolish the income tax. I truly believe that real tax reform, reform that so many frustrated Americans desperately want, requires bold legislation that challenges the Washington mind set. Congress talks about reform, but the current tax debate really involves nothing of substance. Both parties are content to continue tinkering with the edges of the tax code to please various special interests. The Liberty Amendment is an attempt to eliminate the system altogether, forcing Congress to find a simple and fair way to collect limited federal revenues. Most of all, the Liberty Amendment is an initiative aimed at reducing the size and scope of the federal government.

Is it impossible to end the income tax? I don’t believe so. In fact, I believe a serious groundswell movement of disaffected taxpayers is growing in this country. Millions of Americans are fed up with the current tax system, and they will bring pressure on Congress. Some sidestep Congress completely, bringing legal challenges questioning the validity of the tax code and the 16th Amendment itself. Ultimately, the Liberty Amendment could serve as a flashpoint for these millions of voices.

Ron Paul introduced the Liberty Amendment in 1998, 1999, 2003, 2005, 2007 and 2009. It is currently know as H. J. RES. 48 and has 2 cosponsors, Roscoe G. Bartlett (MD-6) and Don Young (AK). Here is the text of the proposed amendment:

Liberty Amendment

Section 1. The Government of the United States shall not engage in any business, professional, commercial, financial, or industrial enterprise except as specified in the Constitution.

Section 2. The constitution or laws of any State, or the laws of the United States, shall not be subject to the terms of any foreign or domestic agreement which would abrogate this amendment.

Section 3. The activities of the United States Government which violate the intent and purposes of this amendment shall, within a period of three years from the date of the ratification of this amendment, be liquidated and the properties and facilities affected shall be sold.

Section 4. Three years after the ratification of this amendment the sixteenth article of amendments to the Constitution of the United States shall stand repealed and thereafter Congress shall not levy taxes on personal incomes, estates, and gifts.’.

On April 30, 2009 Ron Paul introduced the Liberty Amendment with the following speech:

Ron Paul: Madam Speaker, I am pleased to introduce the Liberty Amendment, which repeals the 16th Amendment, thus paving the way for real change in the way government collects and spends the people’s hard-earned money. The Liberty Amendment also explicitly forbids the Federal government from performing any action not explicitly authorized by the United States Constitution.

The 16th Amendment gives the Federal government a direct claim on the lives of American citizens by enabling Congress to levy a direct income tax on individuals. Until the passage of the 16th amendment, the Supreme Court had consistently held that Congress had no power to impose an income tax.

Income taxes are responsible for the transformation of the Federal government from one of limited powers into a vast leviathan whose tentacles reach into almost every aspect of American life. Thanks to the income tax, today the Federal government routinely invades our privacy, and penalizes our every endeavor.

The Founding Fathers realized that “the power to tax is the power to destroy,” which is why they did not give the Federal government the power to impose an income tax. Needless to say, the Founders would be horrified to know that Americans today give more than a third of their income to the Federal government.

Income taxes not only diminish liberty, they retard economic growth by discouraging work and production. Our current tax system also forces Americans to waste valuable time and money on compliance with an ever-more complex tax code. The increased interest in flat-tax and national sales tax proposals, as well as the increasing number of small businesses that question the Internal Revenue Service’s (IRS) “withholding” system provides further proof that America is tired of the labyrinthine tax code. Americans are also increasingly fed up with an IRS that continues to ride roughshod over their civil liberties, despite recent “pro-taxpayer” reforms.

Madam Speaker, America survived and prospered for 140 years without an income tax, and with a Federal government that generally adhered to strictly constitutional functions, operating with modest excise revenues. The income tax opened the door to the era (and errors) of Big Government. I hope my colleagues will help close that door by cosponsoring the Liberty Amendment.

13,780 responses to “Taxes”

  1. Tax Man

    Lucky Us
    Condoms, contact lenses shielded from tax
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090922/ap_on_go_co/us_health_care_everyday_items

    One, two, three, four…
    Hrmm!
    One, two, (one, two, three, four!)

    Let me tell you how it will be;
    There’s one for you, nineteen for me.
    ‘Cause I’m the taxman,
    Yeah, I’m the taxman.

    Should five per cent appear too small,
    Be thankful I don’t take it all.
    ‘Cause I’m the taxman,
    Yeah, I’m the taxman.

    (if you drive a car, car;) – I’ll tax the street;
    (if you try to sit, sit;) – I’ll tax your seat;
    (if you get too cold, cold;) – I’ll tax the heat;
    (if you take a walk, walk;) – I’ll tax your feet.

    Taxman!

    ‘Cause I’m the taxman,
    Yeah, I’m the taxman.

    Don’t ask me what I want it for, (ah-ah, mister Wilson)
    If you don’t want to pay some more. (ah-ah, mister heath)
    ‘Cause I’m the taxman,
    Yeah, I’m the taxman.

    Now my advice for those who die, (taxman)
    Declare the pennies on your eyes. (taxman)
    ‘Cause I’m the taxman,
    Yeah, I’m the taxman.

    And you’re working for no one but me.

    Taxman!

    Thank you, Sheeple

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    1. ONE VOICE

      SRV had it right from the start!!

      If the house is a rocken!!

      Now is the time to push the FAIR Tax!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  2. Sam M. Powell

    Dear Representative Paul,

    I have been an admirer and follower for over 35 years, beginning when I was with the River Oaks Bank and Trust Company in Houston.
    Since you are opposed to the income tax, my idea and comment may be something you have already considered. Anyway, here it is:
    File suit against the Federal Government for violating the Constitution. The intent of the amendment allowing for income taxes has been significantly abused. With astute constituional legal minds coupled with successful courtroom attorneys, perhaps this is something that could go to the Supreme Court.
    In my opinion, the income tax will never be repealed by Congress or through the amendment process. Only by upholding the Supreme Law of the Land will this onerous situation be reversed.
    Respectfully submitted by a Tea Party Patriot and 9-12er.

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  3. Stanley Lewis

    CAN ANYONE GET THIS TO RON AND/OR HIS ORGANIZATION. Just as we all thought the Federal Reserve was a part of the Federal Government years ago, so to do we think the IRS is a part of it. Turns out it’s not so…

    1. Is the Internal Revenue Service (“IRS”) an organization within the U.S. Department of the Treasury?

    Answer: No. The IRS is not an organization within the United States Department of the Treasury. The U.S. Department of the Treasury was organized by statutes now codified in Title 31 of the United States Code, abbreviated “31 U.S.C.” The only mention of the IRS anywhere in 31 U.S.C. §§ 301‑310 is an authorization for the President to appoint an Assistant General Counsel in the U.S. Department of the Treasury to be the Chief Counsel for the IRS. See 31 U.S.C. 301(f)(2).

    At footnote 23 in the case of Chrysler Corp. v. Brown, 441 U.S. 281 (1979), the U.S. Supreme Court admitted that no organic Act for the IRS could be found, after they searched for such an Act all the way back to the Civil War, which ended in the year 1865 A.D. The Guarantee Clause in the U.S. Constitution guarantees the Rule of Law to all Americans (we are to be governed by Law and not by arbitrary bureaucrats). See Article IV, Section 4. Since there was no organic Act creating it, IRS is not a lawful organization.

    2. If not an organization within the U.S. Department of the Treasury, then what exactly is the IRS?

    Answer: The IRS appears to be a collection agency working for foreign banks and operating out of Puerto Rico under color of the Federal Alcohol Administration (“FAA”). But the FAA was promptly declared unconstitutional inside the 50 States by the U.S. Supreme Court in the case of U.S. v. Constantine, 296 U.S. 287 (1935), because Prohibition had already been repealed.

    In 1998, the United States Court of Appeals for the First Circuit identified a second “Secretary of the Treasury” as a man by the name of Manual Díaz-Saldaña. See the definitions of “Secretary” and “Secretary or his delegate” at 27 CFR 26.11 (formerly 27 CFR 250.11), and the published decision in Used Tire International, Inc. v. Manual Díaz-Saldaña, court docket number 97‑2348, September 11, 1998. Both definitions mention Puerto Rico.

    When all the evidence is examined objectively, IRS appears to be a money laundry, extortion racket, and conspiracy to engage in a pattern of racketeering activity, in violation of 18 U.S.C. 1951 and 1961 et seq. (“RICO”). Think of Puerto RICO (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act); in other words, it is an organized crime syndicate operating under false and fraudulent pretenses. See also the Sherman Act and the Lanham Act.
    http://foehammer.net/2008/03/federal-income-tax-is-unconstitutional-irs-is-organized-thuggary.html

    »crosslinked«

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  4. REBEKAH

    Tax his land, Tax his bed, Tax the table At which he’s fed. Tax his tractor, Tax his mule, Teach him taxes Are the rule. Tax his work, Tax his pay, He works for peanuts Anyway! Tax his cow, Tax his goat, Tax his pants, Tax his coat. Tax his ties, Tax his shirt, Tax his work, Tax his dirt. Tax his tobacco, Tax his drink, Tax him if he Tries to think. Tax his cigars, Tax his beers, If he cries Tax his tears. Tax his car, Tax his gas, Find other ways To tax his ass. Tax all he has Then let him know That you won’t be done Till he has no dough. When he screams and hollers; Then tax him some more, Tax him till He’s good and sore. Then tax his coffin, Tax his grave, Tax the sod in Which he’s laid. Put these words Upon his tomb, Taxes drove me to my doom…’ When he’s gone, Do not relax, Its time to apply The inheritance tax. Accounts Receivable Tax Building Permit Tax CDL license Tax Cigarette Tax Corporate Income Tax Dog License Tax Excise Taxes Federal Income Tax Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA) Fishing License Tax Food License Tax Fuel Permit Tax Gasoline Tax (currently 44.75 cents per gallon) Gross Receipts Tax Hunting License Tax Inheritance Tax Inventory Tax IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax) Liquor Tax Luxury Taxes Marriage License Tax Medicare Tax Personal Property Tax Property Tax Real Estate Tax Service Charge T ax Social Security Tax Road Usage Tax Sales Tax Recreational Vehicle Tax School Tax State Income Tax State Unemployment Tax (SUTA) Telephone Federal Excise Tax Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge=2 0Tax Telephone Recurring and Non-recurring Charges Tax Telephone State and Local Tax Telephone Usage Charge Tax Utility Taxes Vehicle License Registration Tax Vehicle Sales Tax Watercraft Registration Tax Well Permit Tax Workers Compensation Tax STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY? Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago, and our nation was the most prosperous in the world. We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world, and Mom stayed home to raise the kids. What in the hell happened? Can you spell ‘politicians?’ ITS TIME TO GET RID OF THESE BASTARDS….CONSTITUTIONAL ONLY !!!! OR EXECUTION !!!!

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  5. Greg

    It seems some people think the income tax is illegal; pretty sure you won’t win with that argument. Instead I think of it as a redundant second property tax.
    Uncle Sam places a tax on your property- namely house and vehicle (not sure if anything else is included with that,) now isn’t that house and vehicle your income just in a different form – property? And wouldn’t your income be considered your property, though you haven’t turned it into a house yet?
    Quite simply, the income tax is immorally redundant. The government is taxing your income twice and not a whole lot of people seem to really care.

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    1. christine

      You’ll enjoy these videos. Oh, we care. And we need the end of the FED and the IRS. Progress towards accomplishing this has been too slow.

      Adam Kokesh – How to Fight Fascism
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exeXzfsZB7E&feature=related

      The Spirit of the Founders
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Nl95T_ND_Q&feature=player_embedded

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    2. Steve

      Greg,
      You say in regards to the federal income tax, “Instead I think of it as a redundant second property tax.”
      You are wrong.

      The federal income tax is an excise tax derived from the activity/privilege of being a federal “employee” or receiving interest, or dividends or the profit from the sale of stock from a wholly owned federal corporation, a corporation where the federal government owns over 50% of the shares of stock, or a federal instrumentality.

      The IRC clearly and constitutionally defines who is and who is not liable for the various excise taxes it collects.
      Determining your status involves only a hand full of sections of the code.

      We private citizens since the early 1940’s have been duped in to thinking that our pay qualifies for the excise tax of federal privilege commonly called “Income tax”
      To get the facts go to http://www.howyoubecomeliable.com and/or http://www.losthorizons.com .

      Oh, and I can’t wait for the DOJ and IRS stooges to try and dissuade people from verifying the above information on their own or by claiming the information is wrong, misleading and so on. They will mention the(void) Federal District Court case against Peter Hendrickson in reference to losthorizons, but won’t mention the 2 Federal District Court cases brought against Mr. Hendrickson but then withdrawn by the DOJ because Mr. Hendrickson had done nothing illegal.

      The truth is, since 2002 thousands of people have filed educated returns to which to IRS returns all property withheld, FICA and Medicare included (they are nothing more than excise taxes on federal privilege).

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  6. Bruce

    I read all of these comments from people who are tired of the system just like I am. But the question is, what are we going to do about it? Has everyone on here already wrote to their lawmakers about the unconstitutional taxes? Has everyone already went and changed their W-4 and put down exempt? Has everyone went to http://www.wethepeoplecongress.org/ and signed the petitions for redress of greivances? If you haven’t then you need to.
    Remember that the IRC, and IRS tactics, can’t possibly apply to us, average working americans, unless we voluntarily let it apply and give them permission to withhold. To do so, take federal income tax, without us giving them permission would place us in Involuntary Servitude which is illegal according to the 13th amendment. Illegal means illegal and any Judge or lawmaker should understand that if they’re worth the oath that they took in the first place. I’m just surprised that the NAACP hasn’t jumped on to this and brought up the fact that the government is illegally mis-informing and taking money from the hard working african american families and placing them once again into a form of slavery, and how it(Involuntary Servitude) is taking hard earned money away from their lives, families and educations. We need some big organizations to start standing up and get involved so that more of this illegal activity can be made known to the public. This fight isn’t about color because we are all becoming government slaves. Remember that we are all in it together. If it wasn’t for the NRA then we all know that the 2nd amendment would be a thing of the past.
    There are 535 lawmakers and 305-310 million people in the U.S.
    Now how dumb would we have to be to let 535 lawmakers, which don’t live by the rules that they make or the U.S. Constitution, take our lives from us.
    Any and all comments are welcomed. Have a great day…
    Remember that God doesn’t want his children as slaves..

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    1. robert

      New to Ron Paul! HE SHOULD BE IN OFFICE! If I file “exempt” what will happen? Will the IRS come after me? If so, what next? I’m tired of living poor. We need to stand up and take action! How can I help?

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  7. Christine

    Most Americans are under the impression that Pres. O “inherited” a tremendous debt from the former Pres. Bush. With this slight in twisting the actual truth, Pres. O is given a trust that is unearned. He has just been put in place in the midst of a much longer plan and way of life we have assumed. A kind of forgiveness for the wrongs that have been done over time to the American people is implied and a false new hope is the elites way of glossing over what actually has occured in the lives of every American household and abroad.

    No one has been held accountable for the crimes against humanity and fraud they have committed.

    If all Americans knew that with each new president, it is just a continuation of the same plan being worked out towards the same end, requiring the work, income and cooperation from every American household, Americans would not be so forgiving and trusting of our government and the corruption would end.

    Those who operate behind the curtain in secrecy, who actually control our monetary policy and our government are not cited as the source of our woes in this country. Most don’t even know these secret societies even exist, nor how they orchestrate and negatively impact our lives and the world.

    If they knew the real reason behind all the continuous wars with other countries, how the elite use military force (our lives to do the unnatural) and monentary maniuplation and theft of the American people (our paychecks, savings, wealth) to execute their global goal, I believe Americans would ban together in one voice and say, we are no longer cooperating. Without our cooperation, they have no way to do what they are and have been doing.

    This truth must be made known and be evident to the majority of the population before we will see real change. Thsi is the wake up.

    Most Americans are born, get up and go to school, work to fulfill their life goals and dreams – have a family, own a home, college education, start a new business, etc.

    But while we are doing that, the government operates in colusion with the elite behind the scenes and with corporations towards another plan that requires mass human cooperation, our money and our lives, if known to all of us, would never even get off the ground. Unbenounced to ourselves, we have been contributing all along to a plan that (1) greatly inhibits us from fulfilling our own personal dreams (2) increases stress and turmoil around the world and our ability to be financially responsible (3) has made us into little more than worker bees for the elite.

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  8. longshotlouie

    Geithner Won’t Rule Out New Taxes for Middle Class
    http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2009/08/geithner-wont-rule-out-new-taxes-for-middle-class.html

    If it moves, Tax It !!

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  9. George Craig

    The government has used the income tax as a door into every aspect of our personal lives. The IRS needs to have access to information about practically every aspect of our personal lives, to insure that we pay the correct amount of taxes. If we do certain things that the government likes, we pay less taxes. If we do things it doesn’t like, we pay more taxes. There has to be a fair system which doesn’t intrude so deeply into our privacy and liberty. I would accept a national sales tax that exempts basic food items, basic utilities, and rent/mortgage payments of less than $1,000 per month. That way, the truly poor wouldn’t be unfairly punished by a regressive tax. Alternatively, a national property tax would be acceptable. Or both, for that matter. But I would only agree to either IF the agreement included a repeal of the 16th amendment, and a binding resolution that there would never be another income tax imposed on individuals without the approval of 90% of all members of both the House and the Senate, as well as a newly ratified constitutional amendment. The last thing we need is a new source of Federal revenue without a binding agreement that the current one won’t be brought back in a couple of years.

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  10. Joe

    “I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country.” -Thomas Jefferson

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  11. FMR

    Don’t confuse desire for liberty with disdain for law. A true liberatarian knows that individual liberty is only possible when it is coupled with individual responsibility and sometimes responsibility must be defined by the government through law.

    State laws concerning safety belts and drunk driving are both proper and necessary. The primary form of government repression in modern society is manipulation of individual liberty through economics. The most effective and destructive tool in this regard is taxation of income.

    You continually quote historical figures (Madison, FDR)that argued hard in their time for a stronger central government. Probably not the most effective wisdom on this board.

    And let’s get this point very straight. FDR did not save “capatalism” which I prefer to refer to as the free market. One man, even one that decides he has been elected president for life, is not capable of such a thing.

    The Great Depression was a result of a collapsed financial bubble that occurred in stocks and real estate. The conventional wisdom on this issue places blame for this bubble on excessively lax monetary policy throughout the decade of the 1920s. With a solid understanding of both macro economics and behavioral finance I personally believe that financial bubbles are mostly a result out of the reality that economies and markets are strongly subject to human nature which in itself is predisposed to excess and will skew toward excess whenever the opportunity (lax monetary policy in this case)enables it.

    This financial bubble collapse caused consumers and business to be gripped with fear which caused domestic demand to practically disappear. The federal government under FDR attempted a whole host of Keynesian stimulus plans and financial sector bailouts. Most of these actions served only to further confuse business and further repress demand.

    Only after WWII when four years of pent up consumer demand, in the form of a whole generation forced to fight a global war returning home, was rapidly released did the US economy spark into growth mode. FDRs depression era policies had been mostly dismantled by this time, and FDR himself had died.

    The government itself exists for the primary purpose of protecting citizens from oppression by all threats foreign and domestic. The US government also has a mandate to preserve individual libery. I would point out that many individuals and organizations would do things that would impede my liberty. For nearly all of them, engaging their services and actions remains a choice to me. Only one, compels me to mail them checks for things I did not ask for and do not want. We all know who that is.

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  12. Christine

    Career Suicide for Waxman-Markey Cap and Trade HR 2454 HR 2998
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBh_AaZ_BjM&feature=related

    This process seems to have become the way of the house, senate and executive branch. But our government moves slowly for a reason, so the public, not to mention our congressmen and women, have time to read what is being voted on and to acquire public input ON OUR LAWS.

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  13. VR

    Add to tax list:

    CDC Chief: Soda Tax Could Combat Obesity
    http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/07/27/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5192172.shtml

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  14. longshotlouie

    Addition to the never ending tax list:

    Face-lifts, tummy tucks and hair transplants could be hit with a new tax to help finance the trillion-dollar healthcare overhaul plan, according to sources familiar with the Senate talks.

    The tax, which has not been officially scored, would plug some of the revenue gap senators are seeking to fill to keep on schedule for a markup the week of Aug. 3.

    It would target procedures prohibited under Section 213 of the tax code, which deals with itemized deductions for medical expenses not covered by health insurance.

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  15. Joe

    “The royalists of the economic order have conceded that political freedom was the business of the government, but they have maintained that economic slavery was nobody’s business. They granted that the government could protect the citizen in his right to vote, but they denied that the government could do anything to protect the citizen in his right to work and his right to live.

    Today we stand committed to the proposition that freedom is no half-and-half affair. If the average citizen is guaranteed equal opportunity in the polling place, he must have equal opportunity in the market place.” -FDR

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  16. Lawrence B Beattie

    I agree, in general, that we can eliminate the income tax. We must also addresses all the taxes, fees, and stupid fines at the State and local level. I would also like to see all the tax loopholes and government grants addressed at corporate level as well. The problem is not the corporate tax rate, it is what corporations actually pay in taxes.

    A consumption tax would be fair at both the individual and corporate level, but “special interest” coul make this into another mess.

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  17. longshotlouie

    A Tax On Your Toilet Paper
    http://blumenauer.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1524&Itemid=1

    The vampiric and gluttonous feeding frenzy currently being enjoyed by the federal government under the pretext of climate change is set to be expanded with a range of new taxes on products disposed of via waste water, including cosmetics, toothpaste and toilet paper.

    The “Water Protection and Reinvestment Act,” H.R.3202, introduced last week by Representative Earl Blumenauer (D-Ore), will be “financed broadly by small fees on such things as bottled beverages, products disposed of in wastewater, corporate profits, and the pharmaceutical industry,” according to Blumenauer’s fact sheet.

    Though the taxes are “designed to be collected at the manufacturer level,” only the most naive would doubt that multinational corporations would just pass the cost on to the consumer in the form of higher prices, as is routine.

    Items disposed of in wastewater, such as toothpaste, cosmetics, toilet paper and cooking oil will be subject to a 3% excise tax, while water beverages will be hit with a 4% tax, “because these products wind up in the water stream and require clean up by sewage treatment plants,” according to the bill.

    The legislation also cites “climate change mitigation” as a justification for imposing the taxes. The Feds’ new feeding frenzy will rake in around $10 billion dollars a year.

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  18. Bottomline

    According to Bloomberg.com, Goldman Sachs’ current record earnings from their free or low cost capital supplied by broke American taxpayers has led the firm to decide to boost compensation and benefits by 33 percent. On an annual basis, this comes to compensation of $773,000 per employee.

    This should tell even the most dimwitted patriot who “their” government represents.

    The worst of the economic crisis has not yet hit. I don’t mean the rest of the real estate crisis that is waiting in the wings. Home prices will fall further when the foreclosed properties currently held off the market are dumped. Store and office closings are adversely impacting the ability of owners of shopping malls and office buildings to make their mortgage payments. Commercial real estate loans were also securitized and turned into derivatives.

    The real crisis awaits us. It is the crisis of high unemployment, of stagnant and declining real wages confronted with rising prices from the printing of money to pay the government’s bills and from the dollar’s loss of exchange value. Suddenly, Wal-Mart prices will look like Nieman Marcus prices.

    Retirees dependent on state pension systems, which cannot print money, might not be paid, or might be paid with IOUs. They will not even have depreciating money with which to try to pay their bills. Desperate tax authorities will squeeze the remaining life out of the middle class.

    Nothing in Obama’s economic policy is directed at saving the US dollar as reserve currency or the livelihoods of the American people. Obama’s policy, like Bush’s before him, is keyed to the enrichment of Goldman Sachs and the armament industries.

    Matt Taibbi describes Goldman Sachs as “a great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity, relentless jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like money.” Look at the Goldman Sachs representatives in the Clinton, Bush and Obama administrations. This bankster firm controls the economic policy of the United States.

    Little wonder that Goldman Sachs has record earnings while the rest of us grow poorer by the day.

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  19. Christine

    Reality About Social Security
    Just a tax, phoney insurance policy, mathematically flawed, will never never work
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MfbRlLVr2E

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  20. Christine

    As the American people and politicians take more and more notice of how the FED/IRS combo causes our country great grief and economic instability, hindering our nation from becoming prosperous by steeling from the citizens who would otherwise make it prosperous, combined with the out of control spending sprees by congress, the more we will probably see the elite bankers that make up the FED grab for more and more money before they go down.

    The FED probably loves the out of control spending sprees of congress. They rub their hands together for all the interest they will receive.

    I did hear that Obama wants to increase the number of IRS workers. That was probably a request from the FED. I’m just guessing, but it seems logical considering the circumstances and the number of co-sponsors for HR 1207 and considering the state of our economy with some people unable or just not willing to pay their un-constitutional taxes.

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  21. Sean

    Excluding Iraq and Afghanistan, the government is running a surplus of $200 Billion.

    http://www.startribune.com/business/11217101.html

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    1. Nate Y

      From the article:

      Federal tax collections hit record high

      Last update: May 10, 2007 – 1:40 PM

      Yes, let’s all cheer a two year old article with a title that would be better stated as “Federal Government Steals More Money From The People Than Ever” or “Federal Government Loots at Record Pace”.

      Anyway, about your income tax posts. You want the income tax abolished and tariffs implemented to make up the difference. Congratulations! You want the government to stop stealing from the people’s right pocket and start taking from the left.

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      1. Sean

        So what if that article is 2 years old. They collected 11% more than the year before that. What makes you think that government spending obligations have increased or tax revenue has decreased since then. (excluding stimulus & recession)

        And no it’s not taking money from different pockets. It’s only taking from the pocket thats buying foreign goods. If you don’t buy foreign goods than you wont have to pay higher costs. I can’t believe you still think domestic taxes are better than foreign taxes.. I’m against all federal government taxes but I would rather have it one way than the other.

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        1. Sean

          “But, in general, the protective system of our day is conservative, while the free trade system is destructive. It breaks up old nationalities and pushes the antagonism of the proletariat and the bourgeoisie to the extreme point. In a word, the free trade system hastens the social revolution. It is in this revolutionary sense alone, gentlemen, that I vote in favor of free trade.” – Karl Marx

          Just so you know.. He is saying that free trade makes socialism come faster. You should read his book.

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          1. Sean

            There are two types of people in this world, bourgeoisies and proletarians. One type will always work for wages just to survive and the other will profit off of them.

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      2. Sean

        I think you were missing the whole point.. The point is that our government would be running a surplus if we didn’t have a war. I’m not cheering income tax, and there is no reason for you to think I was.

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  22. Jeremy Dozier

    Go to bed. The world will be fine tomorrow. Stop stressing, folks…

    RON PAUL 2012 – I AM A BELIEVER.

    But, we don’t need to worry about Monday morning on Tuesday.

    JD

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  23. Bruce

    I have a question for anyone that can answer it. How can the lawmakers make an amendment(16th) that allows them to tax our paychecks when they legally can’t do it? When they made this amendment(16th) they broke the 13th amendment that which says that slavery and involuntary servitude is prohibited except as punishment for a crime.
    Now some people would probably question the involuntary servitude part of this, but if the lawmakers tell you that you’ll either pay a certain portion of your paychecks to us, or go to jail, then that is definitely what I would call involuntary servitude.

    Below is Involuntary servitude defined by Wikipedia.

    Involuntary servitude is a United States legal and constitutional term for a person laboring against that person’s will to benefit another, under some form of coercion. While laboring to benefit another occurs in the condition of slavery, involuntary servitude does not necessarily connote the complete lack of freedom experienced in chattel slavery; involuntary servitude may also refer to other forms of unfree labor. Involuntary servitude is not dependent upon compensation or its amount.

    The Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution makes involuntary servitude illegal under any U.S. jurisdiction whether at the hands of the U.S. government or in the private sphere, except as punishment for a crime: “Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction

    Now if Involuntary Servitude is Illegal then the 16th amendment, which the IRS and lawmakers refer to for justification of taking our money, is illegal also as far as forcing us to pay taxes on our labor. Am I missing something here or is this pretty much common sense?
    Someone please help me to understand how lawmakers take an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United Sates and can turn around and continuously break it.
    Anyone???

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    1. Steve

      Bruce,
      Go to http://www.losthorizons.com and read everthing. Buy the book cracking the code by Peter Hendrickson and read it. Then you will understand that the 16th amendment did not empower congress with any new taxing powers along with many other things. The people liable for “income tax” has remained basically the same since 1862. Type in US code 26 3401 in your search engine. From there, scroll down to see the definition of “wages” (3401(a) I believe), next go to “employee” 3401(c) and then “employer” 3401(d). With regard to worker pay only Federal connected “wages” are liable for income tax. There is remedy to get your property back. Read the book, Cracking the Code, and you will learn the truth.

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    2. Lindsey Brutus

      Bruce: Not everybody works for their money. (The Fed just creates it and gives it away!) Anyway, the 16th amendment was passed and ratified. If we as a people want to repeal it we can do so. I would be all in favor of repealing it and going to the “Fair Tax” or something like it!

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      1. Sean

        Yes the 16th amendment does allow income taxes. The income tax replaced taxes on foreign goods with the underwood tariff of 1913. I think that was the biggest mistake ever..

        The fed doesn’t give money away, the fed gives money to the government and the government gives money away. They do this to replace money spent overseas on foreign goods. It’s called Keynesian economics.

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        1. Sean

          It’s funny, i got an email from my senator about some tea party he planned on the 4th of July! It’s a sad sad world when the people we are supposed to be protesting to are protesting with us.

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          1. Sean

            When was the last time anyone wrote legislation to abolish the income tax? Thats the largest government intrusion ever!! and for the record, the IRS is a part of the government, not the federal reserve. The government does not have to pay money to the federal reserve. The federal reserve collects it’s money from banking interest.

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        2. Lindsey Brutus

          You just said it! “The Fed gives money to the government”. We are the government! That is a give away!

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          1. Sean

            Well the fed lets the government BORROW money, and banks.. If we couldn’t borrow money than how would we buy a home?

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          2. Lindsey Brutus

            The problem is the government doesn’t pay it back. So it is a give away! We can buy a home with cash, credit or barter. If we buy it on credit then we pay it back. Banks pay the Fed back.

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      2. Steve

        Yes the 16th amendment was passed. Prior to the passage of the 16th amendment “income” was only described as “compensation of federal workers”. The definition not having changed since 1862. The Pollock ruling in 1895 upheld that private property (dividends from investing in federal instrumentalities) could not be treated as “income” even if associated with a taxable activity. So after the Pollock ruling still only federal workers were subject to an excise tax derived from “income” amounts.
        The 16th amendment refers to federally derived “income”. At this point in US history the term “income” defined by congress had only ever refered to compensation of federal workers. So now, any private person who derives “income” from any federal instrumentalities must allow that specific “income” to be subject to the “income” tax.
        For example, if you mow neighborhood yards grass for money. That money is private receipts and not subject to federal “income” tax. If you buy stock in, lets say freddie mac. Freddie mac is a federal corporation so any dividends you receive are liable for “income” tax. When you sell the freddie mac stock, the profit/loss is subject to “income” tax.
        The federal income tax is still just an excise tax on federal derived money.
        If none of this makes sense, google search title 26 3401 read it specifically (a),(c) and (d). Also, go to http://www.losthorizons.com to learn the truth about taxation in America.

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        1. Sean

          Have you even read the 16th amendment?

          16th Amendment – The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

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          1. longshotlouie

            ain’t it sick?

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          2. Sean

            ya it is sick. I think the income tax is the worst attack on our liberty.

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          3. Christine

            The IRS is not an agency of the U.S. Government
            by Devvy Kidd
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJw-4SHl9qA&feature=related

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          4. Sean

            The IRS is a government agency.. She’s not the brightest person..

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          5. longshotlouie

            So you checked out the court document that she referred to, in the vid, where a U.S. attorney denies that the IrS is an agency of the government?

            Please Don’t WIKI Me !!!!

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          6. Sean

            The Internal Revenue Service is a bureau of the Department of the Treasury under the immediate direction of the Commissioner of Internal Revenue. The Commissioner has general superintendence of the assessment and collection of all taxes imposed by any law providing internal revenue. The Internal Revenue Service is the agency by which these functions are performed.
            – 26 C.F.R. section 601.101(a).

            http://law.justia.com/us/cfr/title26/26-20.0.1.1.2.1.2.1.html

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          7. longshotlouie

            I think the question was, ‘So you checked out the court document that she referred to, in the vid, where a U.S. attorney denies that the IrS is an agency of the government?’

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          8. Sean

            Honestly I didn’t check out the document that she was referring to. I actually only listened to a min. of the video, because I know by law the IRS is a government agency. I know her position, i already agreed and said that not all states ratified the 16th Amendment.

            But, i’ll check it out for u.

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          9. longshotlouie

            You would be checking it out for u.

            The question is rhetorical.

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          10. Sean

            I actually have a dvd about the income tax with ron paul in it…

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          11. Sean

            It’s really up to the supreme court. The IRS does give all of our tax dollars to the government. Whether or not if its Constitutional is a different story, and that is why many people have gotten away with it in court.. She says that it is an international agency which is totally false in every which way.

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          12. Sean
          13. Steve

            Sean,
            Of course I have read the 16th amendment. Have you read the pertinent Supreme Court cases involving the 16th amendment? Here are a few.

            Peck v. Lowe, 247 U.S. 165 (1918) ” The Sixteenth Amendment, although referred to in argument, has no real bearing and may be put out of view. As pointed out in recent decisions, it does not extend the taxing power to new or excepted subjects, but merely removes all occasion, which otherwise might exist, for an apportionment among the states of taxes laid on income, whether it be derived from one source or another.”

            Helvering v. Edison Bros. Stores, 133 F2d 575 (1943)
            “The Treasury cannot by interpretive regulations, make income of that which is not income within the meaning of the revenue acts of Congress, nor can Congress, without apportionment, tax as income that which is not income within the meaning of the 16th Amendment.”

            Stanton v. Baltic Mining Co., 240 U.S. 103 (1916)
            ” The provisions of the Sixteenth Amendment conferred no new power of taxation but simply prohibited the complete and plenary power of income taxation possessed by Congress from the beginning from being taken out of the category of indirect taxation to which it inherently belonged…”

            Court ruling show that 16th amendment refers to an excise tax on income. If the 16th amendment was refering to all income, then we would have a direct tax on all income which is disallowed by the Constitution.

            So which income is liable for the excise tax? The answer is not everybody. Only taxpayers as defined by IRC are liable for federal income taxes.

            I get the feeling that you, Sean, like everybody to believe that the only way to get rid of the IRS is get rid of the 16th amendment. I hope my observations are wrong.

            For independent thinkers and seekers of the facts take the quiz at http://www.howyoubecomeliable.com .

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          14. sean

            It doesn’t matter what past supreme court judges ruled. It matters what present supreme justices rule.

            You can play definition game all day long, it’s not going to get rid of the IRS.

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        2. Christine

          and you can get more info at http://www.devvy.com

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          1. Sean

            It is true that not all states ratified the 16th amendment. But how it is written, the government can tax us all they want.

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          2. longshotlouie

            Devvy Kidd, still kicking ass !!

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          3. longshotlouie

            Check out her vid on vote fraud.

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          4. Lindsey Brutus

            Sean: Unfortunately, enough of them did ratify it so we’ll have to live with it for now.

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          5. Christine

            It was Devvy Kidd’s little booklet “Why a Bankrupt America”, given to me in 1994, when I hadn’t the least bit of interest in politics or the economy, that started opening my eyes. Amazon currently has used copies ($50-$210), pamphlet out of print. It’s a power-packed little pamplet. Check out articles on her website too.

            http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0006S9PPW/ref=sr_1_olp_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1247524198&sr=1-1

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          6. Christine

            Hey, how about Devvy Kidd and Ron Paul 2012? …after the FED and IRS are audited and abolished of course. We are making way for them now!! Female, knowledgable, honest. THAT’S A WINNER! I bet she’s not inclined towards CFR, Bilderberg, Trilateral, etc. either. Outspoken for years against the FED/IRS.

            Voter Fraud – Oh, my God…How free is America?
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3GLohgHJ8M

            No wonder Americans don’t get what they want!

            Vote by paper ballots and pencils!

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          7. Sean

            I read some of dewy’s difference between a republic and democracy. She is kind of correct but does not fully understand how the term is used.. We are a Democracy.. Democracy means majority rule, well our congress is democratic. The majority of congress rules. Because we also have the rule of law, we are considered a democratic republic.. Thomas Jefferson founded the Democratic-Republican party. Thomas Jefferson understood exactly what that meant, he did write the declaration for independence.. She is wrong to think that we do not live in a democratic society.

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          8. longshotlouie

            lol

            It’s Devvy, not dewy.

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          9. Sean

            haha, i like dewy more.

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          10. Christine

            haha, well, I like her more than you do!

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          11. Sean

            There should be alot more female political figures besides nancy pelosi and sarah palin.. There are lots of female congresswomen and senators, but they aren’t recognized enough.

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          12. Christine

            Bottom of page 3 on into page 4
            http://www.greenes.us/files/Docket_17.pdf

            “…wherein both Betty Richardsom, a United States Attorney, and Richard R. Ward, a United States Department of Justice Trail Attorney, Tax Division,>/b> “and qui tam Plaintiffs have further explained that the Named Accused Government Contractor (IRS) has never been authorized by an Act of Congress to exist as such and is not an organization within meaning of Title 31 > Subtitle I > Chapter 3 > Subchapter I-Organization which explicitly lists the organizational structure of the United States Department of the Treasury.”

            A review of the pleadings in the matter of: DIVERSIFIED METAL PRODUCTS, INC. v. T-BOW COMPANY TRUST, INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE, AND STEVE MORGAN, Civil No. 93-405-E-EJL in the United States District Court for the District of Idaho shows that the Plaintiff alleged on page 2 of his pleading, in paragraph number 4, that “Defendant Internal Revenue Service (IRS) is an agency of the United States government . . . .”

            ***
            In its ANSWER AND CLAIM by United States Attorney Betty H. Richardson and Trial Attorney, Tax Division, U.S. Department of Justice Richard R. Ward, Attorneys for the United States of America, the Government stated under oath:

            “4. Denies that the Internal Revenue Service is an agency of the United States Government….”

            The Internal Revenue Service operates in an ancillary or other secondary capacity under contract, memorandum or agreement or some comparable device to provide services under original authority delegated to the Treasury Financial Management Service or some other bureau of the Department of the Treasury; the contracted or otherwise authorized services extend only to government employees and employers, as defined at 26 U.S.C. §§ 3401(c) & (d). The authorization is essentially intra-governmental in nature; it does not extend to private sector enterprise in States of the Union.

            *** and there’s more!
            search Barton A Buhtz – Consumer Advocate. You should find a link to a letter.

            ***
            Through the clever use of language the government promotes the fraud.

            http://famguardian.org/Subjects/Taxes/Intelligence/BiggestHeist.htm

            After over 12 years of intense research of the Law, asking everyone in government including the IRS to produce a law that requires us to file and pay the federal income tax, many filings of requests under the Freedom of Information Act, and actually having brought suit against the IRS, we can assure you that there is no such law. It is our conclusion that the 65 million Americans that have stopped filing and paying the fraud known as the income tax are the last remnant of real Americans, brave to the core. It is also my conclusion based upon all these years of study that every person (no slip) that files and pays the federal income tax on April 15th does so only out of the paralyzing fear of a terrorist organization known as the Internal Revenue Service.

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          13. Sean

            I agree with all of this. I was just trying to make the point that the IRS does give all of the tax dollars to the treasury as stated.

            I have this movie on DVD..
            http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173

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          14. Sean

            You have to watch out. People go to jail all the time who bring that up in court. It’s up to the judge.

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  24. Christine

    The gold standard would keep congress from massive spending sprees. We would not have the massive national debt and recent incidences would not have been made possible if the gold standard was in place. The number of costly wars would reduce, the FED simply would not get its way with so much of our money. This dollar that has been reduced to nearly nothing, a meaningless peace of paper made way for an oppressive government that overburdens the citizens with taxation without representation. Returning to the gold standard, auditing the FED, then abolishing and its partner, the IRS, will take freedom away from the FED, keep our government under control, and return freedom to the citizens.

    The wealthy elite, who are behind the imposition of the recent bailouts, can then pay back our national debt to China. They created it, they can pay it!

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  25. Giles Paul Arthur Martin

    Hello. Spending may increase in proportion to need or to available funds. Eliminating income tax altogether is one option, another is to tax only the truly wealthy (and a a lesser rate than would discourage wealth or drive it away). Elimination may be the better option, as many government practices are excesssive or unneccesary.
    Special interest groups and the press can and do cause public hysteria over rare events and utter nonsense. If by some mechanism one can restrain govenment spending to what is actually required, then funds from moderate property and excise taxes combined with reified tariffs ought to provide a surplus.
    Ah, yes. Please do not presume to imagine that the Preamble and principle body of the U.S. Constitution are written in anything other than Georgian English. The end to which this “Great Experiment” is to work, (from the Preamble) is to “secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity”. The Revolution deposed a government that taxed it’s colonies to fund an expensive war, while depending on that colonial sysetem to secure raw materials and a partly captive market. Thank you, any of you, that made it through all my little rant.

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  26. Jan

    Written by The Maine Patriot, David RobinsonThe Maine Patriot, David Robinson
    Last Updated: July 8th, 2009

    How could Congress charter private Banks or the non-federal Federal Reserve System when the Constitution says it can’t? Congress chartered the First Bank of the United States, a private Central Bank, under the loophole they wrote into the U.S. Constitution pertaining to national emergencies and war.

    The new federal United States subscribed $2,000,000 for 20% of the capital stock of the private First Bank of the United States.

    So who controls the States, the federal United States and their courts? Yes! The British Board of Trade. And who established the British Board of Trade? Right again. The King of Great Britain.

    THE NEW STATE REPLACES THE KING

    In 1730, the King sent a Royal governor to North Carolina and demanded that he order the North Carolina Assembly to require registration of all holdings of land so that an accurate “rent roll” (tax list) could be sent to the Crown. So now there are Two Governors in existence for that State.

    The Assembly received complaints that tax collectors were demanding 7 or 8 pounds sterling in local currency for every 1 pound sterling taxes owed, to which the tax collectors threatened to add additional charges if they had to seize the taxed property for payment. (Distant rumblings of the present day private IRS based in Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms taking orders from the Secretary of the Treasury of Puerto Rico as defined in 27 CFR 250.11).

    We are not free and never have been. So much for the U.S. Constitution that was to keep the Government and the private agents and corporations it employs in check.

    When a County of a State demands a “rent roll” tax (property tax) it is informing you that you don’t own your property at all because you have pledged it to the State. If you did own your property, the County could not sell it for delinquent “rent roll” payments called property taxes.

    If you really owned your home and ever lost your job or came upon hard times, you would at least have a roof over your head and not have to come up with extortion money to pay the “taxes.” This extortion has gone on since the Declaration of Independence and The Revolutionary War that was supposed to set you free; or so you thought.

    Nothing could be further from the truth.

    Contrary to what most people in America believe, the Sheriff is not (what you have been taught) a protector of man’s rights. The Royal Governor appointed an Executive Officer of the County court who was also the “Provost Marshall.” In 1738 this title was changed to “Sheriff.” The Proprietors had to enforce the Acts of the British Parliament, so who better qualified to do this other than the Provost Marshall (Provincial Marshall)?

    “Provost” is defined in Webster’s Dictionary in many ways, but it generally means “a person appointed to superintend or preside over something.” A Provost answers to the Mayor, the President, the King, or Etc. The definition doesn’t mention him reporting to the people; cause he can’t.

    Although the Sheriff goes through the election process today, he swears allegiance to the State via the State’s Constitution. His allegiance is not to the people but to the corporate establishment ruled by the Governor of the Corporate State. So he is still a “Provost Marshall.”

    To whom did the Sheriff of Nottingham report? From whom did he collect revenue? For whom did he collect it? Ah-ha! He was no Robin Hood, was he?

    You would report a crime on a military base to the Provost Marshall (its Sheriff).

    We are still under the King’s War Power Act and are considered to be the “enemy” of the Corporate United States. They just added icing on the Cake by additional War Power Acts in 1812, 1861, and 1933. Since then every State of the corporate United States has re-stated the Emergency War Power Acts as late as the 1990s.

    Don’t you just love the Constitution that you claim to have loved so much and have supported all of your life?

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  27. Patrick Petsche

    What sort of excise taxes does Ron Paul support? Does he support a sin tax? Would he tax drugs if legalized?

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  28. Carl Smith

    How can the democrats get away with taxing and doing away with coal? Are they trying to break us? Sir I am a hard working blue collar man trying to make a living. I have two sons in collage, a house note plus my regular bills. The democrats now want to tax my benifits from work. I am mad as hell. Enough is enough. They in washington have to be stopped. Can you help us. Are you the only sane voice in that god forsaken city? Sorry that you have to read my complains, but something has to be done we are nearing the end. I do not not own a pistol but will now go buy one. Like I have said enough is enough people are fed up with washinton. God Bless you and keep up the good work.

    mad as hell
    Carl Smith

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  29. Christine

    With so much spending into further debt at the taxpayers expense, what will be left over from our paychecks to actually be financially responsible for ourselves and our families?

    With the rise in medical insurance/expenses, same question?

    The government has allowed and promoted loans that ended up being our recent foreclosures, so they’ve taken homes away.

    What is happening to our right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

    A government that takes, takes, takes, but doesn’t give is no government at all. It serves no good purpose…all waste and ruin.

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  30. LibertyAtYourService

    Individuals like Joe are a great example of everything that is wrong with this country today. Like any good Keynesian, he ignorantly assigns blame for most negative economic issues on the free market, actually saying with a straight face that removing the 75% marginal tax rate on higher income actually caused the boom/bust cycles of the Great Depression and our current recession. PURE IDIOCY.

    Read the works of Ron Paul, Thomas Woods, Milton Friedman, Ludwig von Mises, etc. and combine with a little common sense and you’d see that the Federal Reserve’s inflationary monetary policy and fractional reserve banking practices are the single biggest cause of boom/bust cycles. Artificially lowering interest rates by increasing the money supply (as the Fed does) horribly destabalizes the economic equilibrium that would normally be in place through the unadulterated, voluntary exchange of goods and services between private businesses and consumers. The boom that is created isn’t real. When everyone finally “wakes up” to the facade the Fed has created the bubble bursts and working Americans are left to watch the Federal government then apply BS Keynesian theory to try and solve the problem (i.e. spend spend spend, debt debt debt). This wonderful mentality prolongs the depressions just like FDR’s New Deal held the country in a depression well into WW2. Thanks Keynesians but keep your crackpot ideas where they belong: in the trashcan.

    A little research will show that when Reagan reduced the top marginal tax rate, the federal goverment reported an INCREASE in taxable income and profit! This FACT, which is explained by a little thing called the Laffer curve, demonstrates how such high tax rates SUFFOCATE industry growth and actually REDUCE government profits from taxes.

    Joe, no one is impressed by your ability to look up historic quotes to “support” your views. Most of your views are not only wrong but dangerously detached from reality. I agree that certain funds are needed to support police, public works, etc. but the methods you support to provide those funds are flat out wrong and immoral. You say that most people don’t know how to best spend their money…? I can only shake my head at this statement. God help you.

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  31. Jan

    Unfortunately, we don’t have the money nor the influential people from within our class structure to start our own “think-tank” to discuss how to change our country for the middleclass.
    I found this article that discloses the Biberberger agenda however……

    for more ……http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13808
    “The True Story of the Bilderberg Group” and What They May Be Planning Now
    A Review of Daniel Estulin’s book

    by Stephen Lendman
    excerpt…
    Bilderberg Objectives

    The Group’s grand design is for “a One World Government (World Company) with a single, global marketplace, policed by one world army, and financially regulated by one ‘World (Central) Bank’ using one global currency.” Their “wish list” includes:

    – “one international identify (observing) one set of universal values;”

    – centralized control of world populations by “mind control;” in other words, controlling world public opinion;

    – a New World Order with no middle class, only “rulers and servants (serfs),” and, of course, no democracy;

    – “a zero-growth society” without prosperity or progress, only greater wealth and power for the rulers;

    – manufactured crises and perpetual wars;

    – absolute control of education to program the public mind and train those chosen for various roles;

    – “centralized control of all foreign and domestic policies;” one size fits all globally;

    – using the UN as a de facto world government imposing a UN tax on “world citizens;”

    – expanding NAFTA and WTO globally;

    – making NATO a world military;

    – imposing a universal legal system; and

    – a global “welfare state where obedient slaves will be rewarded and non-conformists targeted for extermination.”

    Secret Bilderberg Partners

    In the US, the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) is dominant. One of its 1921 founders, Edward Mandell House, was Woodrow Wilson’s chief advisor and rumored at the time to be the nation’s real power from 1913 – 1921. On his watch, the Federal Reserve Act passed in December 1913 giving money creation power to bankers, and the 16th Amendment was ratified in February creating the federal income tax to provide a revenue stream to pay for government debt service.

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  32. Joe Dapper

    I have read all of this and at the end of it all I am not for any kind of tax really. Why should i be so happy to? some of the comments above about the 16th amendment being legal or not, it doesn’t matter, since when in recent history has our government cared about legality? Seems to me they pretty much do what they want anyhow. I understand the government has an overhead, and they have duties to fulfill, but until they stop giving them selves raises, doling out lucrative contracts to their buddies in the form of no-bid contracts and generally being a pain in my ass on a daily basis, i find no reason to pay into that sort of activity, and that is just the tip of the proverbial iceberg. We know, as current tax payers, that much of the money we pay into the system never sees its way back into our lives, and when it does in the form of an ear mark its rallied against by the other side as pork barrel spending. Ron Paul puts it best when he explains that its his duty to pass ear marks for his district, to improve the lives of his constituents with their own tax dollars. if that line of thinking isn’t making any sense stop reading now. I am not now, nor will i ever be in favor of any taxes, here’s the caveat, i do understand the necessity of some for of taxation, as stated before, to fund the government overhead and to pay for the duties they must fulfill. I cant help be leery of any form of government, having served in the Army i was witness to massive amounts of power corruption on a small scale. Coming form Illinois i know all about dirty politics and how it affects the people. If you use Illinois itself as a microcosm of the USA, one can see that we are circling the drain. I don’t know what the fix is, but i believe Ron Paul does. His message is the one i have been wanting to hear. sound money, small government etc etc and if he were in charge and told me what my taxes were going to be; under his leadership i couldn’t argue; because i know he has the best interests of the PEOPLE in mind and the big picture at stake. Not like the current regime and the past regimes who seem to have themselves in mind when the enter and leave office. I wont follow this up so don’t get up in arms about my not willing to pay taxes since i already have stated that if Ron Paul can justify them ill pay them, but as things stand, the government wants too much and is too big and does too many things wrong to deserve my hard earned money.

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  33. john

    More taxes soon im sure, with the obama administration.

    The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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    1. jim

      We need to let both houses know how we as taxpayers feel. Let them know check out http://www.gradegov.com

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  34. Ann Raabe

    Chances are if something doesn’t seem right, it isn’t. According to the Constitution, direct taxes can only be laid upon an individual through apportionment to the several states. In this manner, I may be taxed for unwanted services by the Congress through the states by enumeration of the population of the state, the state receives a bill and collects from the individual through lawful taxes. If my Congressman votes to spend the money through an appropriations bill, then I am taxed by the state for the amount of money assessed against my property, usually business property. My property taxes are the only ones which are lawful, except that the county has to lay this tax and they already tax for unlawful reasons, like unwanted services. As far as excise taxes go, income is taxable under an excise tax and income is not my wages. Income is the gain on securities issued when there is a taxable priveledge of writing them. This tax would only fall on the banks and that is why we still pay it. The banking system and the income tax are so intricately connected, that there is no way to stop it except to make the bank pay the income tax and stop taxing the people through inflation of the money. This is a Republic, our representatives are “democraticly” elected. I also have some swamp land in Florida I can sell you if you believe our elections are democratic. Breaking the Code is a good book to read, but fighting income tax can be done only through our representatives. IRS agents believe they work for the government and believe they have authority to assess Citizens for income tax. This is the problem. Education through campaigns such as the Campaign for Liberty will help, but what about Revolution?

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  35. Larry

    I keep seeing the word democracy used here. I think it is very important to understand and realize that the United States is NOT a democracy. A democracy by definition says that majority rules. That if the majority say something should be a certain way then that is the way it should be. That if a majority rules that all should be taxed to pay for something that the majority wants then so be it. That if a majority votes that we want to take a persons house, then they can take any persons house, just because that is what the majority wanted.

    The U.S. is not a democracy. The U.S. was started and the constitution was written to protect the individual’s rights and freedoms, no matter what the majority wants.

    Now with this understood let us talk about taxes. Is it a violation of my individual rights to take money from me to pay for something that I may or may not want to pay for? Is it a violation of my individual rights to take money from me to pay for roads and other public services that we all use. Well the latter is arguable. We all use the roads, even if we don’t drive, etc. But, is it a violation of my individual rights to take money from me to give to someone else just because they don’t work, just because the majority says that I should. I think this NOT arguable. It is a clear violation of my rights to do this. Is it s violation of my rights to take money from me to pay for someone else’s healthcare with the promise to pay for mine in the future. To me this is a clear violation of my rights. I don’t want their healthcare and I do not want to pay for someone elses. I do not want to pay for someone else to live just because they don’t want to work. It is my right to have this opinion and my right not to be stolem from to pay for something even if the majority say I should.

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