War on Drugs

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Ron Paul opposes the War on Drugs.

On November 20, 2008 Ron Paul said in a New York Times / Freakonomics interview:

“[...] the federal war on drugs has proven costly and ineffective, while creating terrible violent crime. But if you question policy, you are accused of being pro-drug. That is preposterous. As a physician, father, and grandfather, I abhor drugs. I just know that there is a better way — through local laws, communities, churches, and families — to combat the very serious problem of drug abuse than a massive federal-government bureaucracy.”

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3,611 responses to “War on Drugs”

  1. Reese

    to say the war on drugs is “winnable” is absolutely nothing short of ridiculous. It has been going on for decades now, and not only have statistics not improved, they’ve worsened. Prisons are crowded, and non-violent people that are otherwise law-abiding citizens are being harassed, arrested, etc. for having drugs. Yes, some people commit crimes while they are impaired on drugs. But it isn’t rocket science to figure out that almost ALL crimes committed under an intoxicated mind were impaired from alcohol alone, or more than one drug with alcohol thrown in the mix…but alcohol is legal. And to hold an entire majority of recreational drug users back by saying “people commit crimes when they are high on drugs” is just plain insanity. It is a small minority of drug users that commit crimes, and should they get caught, they face the repercussions of their actions. And on another note, health issues aside, regardless of what your perspective is on drugs affecting people’s health, the thought of telling a person (within a reasonable age, of course) what they can and can’t do with their own body, put in their own body, etc. is so incredibly selfish and wrong it’s scary. As long as that person does not effect another human being with their actions, IT IS NOT A CRIME. If they do, it is a crime, and they should face the consequences for it. It’s time people stop trying to run other people’s lives and stop acting like they know what’s best for everyone. You are given your own life to control, do whatever you please with it, but then don’t tell me how to live mine.

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  2. Suasponta

    The war on drugs is basically a war on liberty, and in the context of our society a reeking hypocrisy. No crime is committed if no one acts against ones neighbors in a violent or trespassing way. I, as a living, thinking entity have every right to the pursuit of happiness, by my own terms. And if this entails altering my consciousness with natural substances, ie. Cannabis or Mushrooms or, unnatural substances like Alcohol or pharmaceutical drugs, such should be my God given right to do so, as long as I commit no violent crime or trespass against my following man.

    Many a crime is perpetrated by people who are not on drugs of any kind. In fact all prohibition does is perpetrate crime by creating a black market for a substance that is in demand. As long as there is a demand there will be a supply line because of the exuberant amounts of money to be made because of the demand. Those who cannot obtain said substance at reasonable prices, or who by default of law cannot obtain employment because of their substance use, will steal and rob to afford said prohibited substance. It’s a never ending cycle.

    Daniel, why don’t you just take your philosophy further and say that we not only have a nation wide drug testing pogrom where you as a citizen cannot resist being tested and would forcibly be tested by restraint or threat of incarceration because of your omission of guilt by not taking the test. And if found with an “illegal” substance in your blood stream to be branded as a Drug user by having to wear an identify mark, say a big yellow D. All those who are identified as users then be shipped to a remote re-indoctrination (rehabilitation center) and if deemed to be hopelessly un-rehabilitated and anti-sociable to be executed. And in time you will be able to ensure a nation free of illegal drug users.

    Daniel, you probably would have made a fine Nazi fascists.

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  3. Daniel

    I think the ‘war on drugs’ is winnable. It doesn’t even need to be called a war. Ron Paul may be a Libertarian, and Libertarians may say we should stay out of the drug issue, but when people are high on drugs, like alcohol, they commit crimes. The Netherlands took a Libertarian stance on drugs, started opening barges and offering free needles so people could ‘shoot up’ and not get Aids virus, etc. Ask them how their Libertarian thinking went; the’ll tell you ‘never again; what a mess!’ Drugs that are used for medical purposes, are useful; but the illegal ones are not. The property in marijuana used for anti-vomiting can be made in a lab, and doesn’t need to be available for any other now known purpose.

    The ‘war on drugs’ is winnable by starting a nation-wide drug testing program whereby everyone is tested once a month. This would weed out the drug users, stop the illegal drugs from entering the country since there would be no more market for them, and decrease the prison population, since 80-90 percent that are incarcerated are there because of a drug related issue.

    The other way the ‘war’ is winnable, is by requiring that offenders of the law make restitution to their victims. if hey have stolen property to get money for drugs, they are required to make a formal apology and work to restore that robbed person’s property. It is a proven fact that restorative punishment makes that likelihood or repeat offense significantly decrease. The offenders really understand their offense, the offended feel like they can trust that person and society again.

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    1. Nate Y

      “The ‘war on drugs’ is winnable by starting a nation-wide drug testing program whereby everyone is tested once a month”. Pardon me while I vomit. Why shouldn’t people be free to do what they want to do with their own bodies? Why deprive people the freedom to grow their own medicine? And what drugs are you talking about?

      I’ve heard this “The Netherlands tried it and it didn’t work” line before. This fails to account for the fact that drugs are still very much controlled in the Netherlands. There remain all types of restrictions on drugs. We don’t even need to look to Europe. How do you explain the violence and crime associated with alcohol during prohibition? When prohibition was ended, the violence and crime vanished. I guess it was just a coincidence. When the State outlaws a substance all it does is drive the price for that substance through the roof and create criminals out of ordinary people.

      But more importantly, by what moral right does the State or any other group of people get to deny others of their liberty?

      “The ‘war on drugs’ is winnable by starting a nation-wide drug testing program whereby everyone is tested once a month”. Pardon me while I vomit. Why shouldn’t people be free to do what they want to do with their own bodies? Why deprive people the freedom to grow their own medicine? Not that it matters, but what drugs are you talking about?

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    2. Eric S. Dunn

      “but when people are high on drugs, like alcohol, they commit crimes.” -Daniel

      Just a heads up. People who are NOT high on drugs also commit crimes.

      I have to say that I am not a big fan of drug abuse, but I am a HUGH fan of ‘what business is it of yours what I chose to put or not put into my OWN body?’ Where in the Constitution is the government given ownership of my bodies? I must have missed that part, is it one of the amendments? And even if they write such an amendment I see no reason at all why we should submit to it. The moment you give your inalienable right to liberty over to any governing body, you become part of the problem.

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    3. Chris Taylor

      DANIEL, Hitler had the same idea. Let all join fascism,

      Why stop at drug test when we can have genetic test also, we can throw every one in jail that has the gen for crime. And we can start with testing your gens first, and seeing that every one has FREE WILL, that means you go to Prision as well.

      You might want to rethink your logic, no one in this existence is perfect. All drug users are trying to do is get away from the shitty life people like you with bad perception of reality create for them.

      REMEMBER YOU ARE SUBJECT TO THE VERY RULES YOU SEEK TO CREATE.

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    4. Stewart

      The only way that we are going to reduce drug use and hopefully crime from substance abuse is to have compulsory but accurate education in our schools about drugs and alcohol. This will give our young people the ability to make better choices in life. I am a drug and alcohol worker in the UK, I often find that there are myths about a lot of drugs that are untrue or inaccurate. Lets teach the truth, save lives and reduce crime. It might take a generation but it’s worked with other subjects in other countries, what have we got to lose. What you are suggesting is a total breach of human rights and won’t work.

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    5. Mason

      Wow daniel do you know how much money that would cost? what would you do if they were positive for drugs? I laughed when i read that.

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  4. Alex A

    Who is fighting us on the legalization of marijuana?

    1) Federal Government (Since they will loose billions in federal funding on the war on drugs and lobbyist kick backs)

    2) Private Prisons (They operate 264 Prisons in the US. The US has the highest incarceration rate in the world 7.2M behind bars. China is 2nd with 1.5M and
    4 TIMES the population of the US. 50% are non violent offenses with about 20% for marijuana) How many Billions will be lost to prisons if its legalized?

    3) Big Pharma (If marijuana became legal people could actually grow their own medicine! How would big Pharma profit off of that? Research would flourish and prove marijuana has amazing medical benefits.

    5) Alcohol and Tobacco Industries (Would loose billions in profits)

    Look up Medical Cannabis on Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_cannabis . Read and educate yourself the incredible benefits we already know with limited research . And remember the Food and Drug Administration states that marijuana “has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States”. Even though there are still patients in the FEDERAL “Compassionate Investigational New Drug Program” that receive medical marijuana grown from the University of Mississippi to this day. The George H. W. Bush administration closed the program down in 1991 to new applicants.

    The list can go on and on. The bottom line is if big corporations cannot patent it or profit from it, whatever it is. It will be suppressed with the BILLIONS of dollars Corporate lobbyist use to get their way in this country and protect their profits. From foreign oil to Marijuana THIS ALL BOILS DOWN TO MONEY, IT ALWAYS HAS AND IT ALWAYS WILL. Join the solution that’s best for our countrymen’s health on not for corporate profit protection. http://www.Norml.org

    Follow the money and you will learn the truth.

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    1. dj

      I was following you all the way man, until the end, NORML wants to make it legal and put it in the govt’s hands, so that they will be able to tax it and make money off it like booze. It is natural, they shouldn’t be able to make a monopoly off it for taxes, because we all know that they will prob be some kind of fines or laws about self cultivation. So now after it has been illegal for all this time it would be ok to take it from the governments hands, the same people that enacted the DEA to enforce the Civil War in America? Just make it legal for all use and grow and enjoy, keep it simple and easy, no govt. intervention on everything.

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  5. christine

    In order for there to be a healing of the planet and our country, us as individuals, all the crap has to come up for us to become aware of what we have been doing to ourselves, what media persuasion we have been convinced is true, yet it is not so we can change our minds and get back on track. Often it looks like we are getting so far off track so we pay attention!! Those not noticing are suddenly noticing and paying attention. Some will choose to remain asleep, that is always the case. We’ve given our power, our control, our lives, our liberty, freedom, our everything over to a government, a secret shadow government. They deal in drugs for various reasons, to manipulate political situations, for profit, and to dumb down folks so they are not paying attention. That’s why the drugs are also in our air via chemtrails and polution, in our water (fluoride), and in our food supply. Our food supply is about to be taken over by a joint effort between the government and big pharma…December 31, 2009 is the implementation date for Codex Alimentarious. They have already pass a law HR 2749 to take control of our farms. The law will make it difficult for organic gardeners financially, so they will most likely disappear if something is not done to repeal this law. They want us eating non-nutritious food, which is anti-health, delivered to us by the big profit making company called Monsanto….sooooo the government is really putting on an act with the heathcare bill…!!! They are responsible for the chemical food, chemical water, chemical air that make us unhealthy and sick.

    Do some research on Monsanto, genetically modified food (GMO)…you may be eating it and more drugs/chemicals soon!

    I have not yet seen one good thing come from the white house, congress, the senate, corporations…nothing. They sure try to make everything sound good…..but when they say it’s good…it’s bad…very bad.

    Treason….prosecute for treason.

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    1. Lindsey

      Christine: We buy a lot of hybrid seed to get the harvest that we get. You don’t realize the difference that these hybrids make in the yields that we get as farmers not to mention the fact that we can no-till a lot of fields because of it. Actually the benefits of genetic engineering help feed the world. You’re too hung up on conspiracy theories! You sound like Hillary Clinton (The vast right wing conspiracy)!

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      1. christine

        Natural, no chemical food. Anything that comes out of a lab is not natural and is not good for you. There will be side effects, guaranteed. This GMO is all about money, profit, not for your health or those you feed. What we need already exists, needs no lab, no chemicals. That is what has made a few wealthy, but we have suffered greatly from that mentality.

        The producers of the GMO food would like you to believe in scarcity. That gets you to buy their product. You are victim of marketing, corporate profiteering and brainwashing. There is plenty for everyone, naturally. The only thing that makes it scarce is how governments lord over the supply, distributing how they wish, cutting off supplies as they wish too. This is not the way we were intended to behave towards one another. Your way with the GMO foods will make a few people rich. You are supporting and furthering something disastrous for the rest of us. That is too bad that you cannot think for yourself and are swayed by big pharma and profiteers. It will not be good for those who eat it.

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        1. Lindsey

          Christine- I eat what we grow on our farm and haven’t died yet. We farm GMO crops. Farming hasn’t made our family rich but it’s been OK for sure. Also, we sell our crops in a free market without the government lording over supplies etc. like you say. Guess what, you think for yourself and I’ll think for myself OK?

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          1. christine

            It should be illegal what you are doing!

            But since with this administration and the elite everything that is good is bad and everything that is bad is good…is their line of reasoning for destruction…and so is yours. You have aligned yourself with the wrong side.

            You are a part of this.

            Codex Alimentarius pt 1 of 9 – Exposing Their Plans to Use Food as a WEAPON!
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCB832r9tuk&feature=related

            All that is natural is good. All that is chemical is bad.

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          2. christine

            For anyone else reading this post…here’s additional information about Monsanto…a leader in the GMO crops.

            Tons more on the web about Monsanto to do your own research and the corruption with our government.

            The Genetic Conspiracy (2/3) – about Monsanto
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHobGDHtq4E&feature=related

            Codex Alimentarius is set to go into effect December 31, 2009. They even want to take the labeling off foods so we won’t know what we are actually eating! Did our government ask us what we wanted to eat? if we aprove of GMO foods? This government is way overstepping it’s authority…and disregarding it’s responsibility to PROTECT Americans.

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          3. Lindsey

            Christine: Since the majority of farmers in the USA farming corn and soybeans use GMO I guess that the majority of farmers are trying to kill every one. Can you dream up any more vast government conspiracies?

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    2. christine

      Lindsey: Not dreaming. This would not be my dream. Smart people will do their reserach.

      Criminalize Organic Farming? EXCUSE ME?! BILLS: HR 875 and S 425
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epXNJNjYBvw&feature=related

      Top 2 Ways You Help Monsanto Every Day (Without Knowing It)
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHfI9jltIeA&feature=related

      Top 6 Ways to Identify & Avoid Genetically Modified Foods (GMOs)
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdwaEg6HLVU&feature=related

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      1. sean

        The reason why they use chemicals is to replenish the land.

        Plants take minerals from the earth, and large amounts of farming cannot last forever organically. On larger scales it’s hazardous to the environment. Remember, we have to feed 6 billion people in the world.

        The problem is not the chemicals they put into the food. It’s the lack of chemicals they put into it, which makes us fully nutrient.

        I remember learning about this when I studied the greeks. They had to come up with new ways of farming because they would drain the nutrients from the earth.

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        1. christine

          There are ways to replentish the soil naturally. It does no good to feed us food that will cause havoc in the body, that then makes us use the sickcare system. One feeds the other and neither are healthy. We need to get back to healthy. This road we’ve been on is digressive and destructive to our survival.

          The government inhibits organic garders. One has to wonder why…if feeding people is the REAL issue.

          Ron Paul has talked about a solution the government came up with to lower prices was to make food scarce (the capitalistic mentality) so they had farmers plow under their crops…when people were hungry!!

          To the corp government we have, it’s all about money, not about what’s really ailing America and the world. They keep pumping out the bad ideas, causing problems and we the people keep fighting them! What a waste. We need a government that is genuinely interested in the welfare of people and in the world. This government is fake about those issues.

          And no…we don’t need chemicals. Chemicals are bad for the body. They disturb normal bodily functions.

          Yes, we need natural, organic, real food with real processes for growing nutritious food. The process has been around since forever, chemicals have not. And we need the government to stay out of the farming business and let organic gardeners go to town growing their harvests, naturally.

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          1. sean

            The chemicals they put in the food are natural. They put the same thing in the earth as what the plants take out; nitrogen, potassium, and phosphorous.. THE PROBLEM is that they don’t put in all of the chemicals that is needed. In most places, the plants have already stripped the earth of the nutrients we need.

            Just take your vitamins, that’s what they are used for.

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          2. sean

            If everyone had their own farm like in the past, it would be possible. But since there are 100 to 200 million people in America alone that live without land, it makes it kind of difficult to have organic farming that is good for the environment. There are just not enough nutrients in the earth for that many people.

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          3. christine

            hey, off topic, but I think you had access to a map that showed the correplation of oil to wars. Do you have that link handy?

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          4. sean

            i’m not sure.. watch this movie, its nuts.

            http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-665674869982904386#

            they explain it a little bit.

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  6. Donovan

    The War on Drugs is completley out of whack and is very misleading. Everyone should feel free to do what they please to their health. Of course if its causing a big disruption to people that dont want to be involved with that substance then that situation will probaly be caried out in a manner needed to end it, but there is no need to just go looking for it and blame the substance. If u ask me it is very hypocritical of the government to have tobacco legal and alchohal legal but to have hemp illegal for reasons of it being a drug which makes no sense what so ever. If alcholol was made illegal, now all of a sudden you have you have those neighbors that haven’t done anything wrong according to law their whole life are criminals. In 1937 i believe they made marijuana illegal for the reasons of it making mexicans crazy(then again i could be wrong). Not to mention the drug cartels that are profitting off selling marijuana. If the government used the product on the market they could tax it and they could have better watch over it then to let shady dealer lace it with cocaine so their bud will be more addicting. The War on Drugs is not accomplising anything, its just making it worse and putting innocent people in jail. If anything i believe what we call a drug could be very contributing to our society. Which is why it is so hard to legalize it. Who wants a president that is pro legalization of bud.

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  7. David Evans

    I have been charged with felony possesion. I was a Firefighter for 13 years, with a perfect service record. Many of the people that recieved marijuana from me were cancer pt.’s. I am guilty by having a friend that grew, now my whole way of life is over. These laws need to change!

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    1. sean

      I wouldn’t hire you if I knew you were on drugs or dealt drugs. That’s something people like to know before they entrust you with their business or in your case with other peoples lives. Drug dealers belong in jail, they are intentionally breaking the law and putting others in harms way, even if you think you are helping.. These people should get their legal cancer drugs from the doctor like everyone else in the world.. I wouldn’t be smoking pot if I had cancer, I would be indulging myself with opiates. Something that actually takes away the pain.

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      1. Tyler

        Most of the people who are incarcertated aren’t drug *dealers*, they are users… though arrested and convicted as dealers simply out of weight stipulations and no other evidence.

        As far as using drugs and being entrusted with business or other people’s lives the fact is if you are taking legally prescribed opiates you are under no legal obligation to inform any of your employers — in fact usually quite the opposite since there are laws which protect peope’s privacy. Same as with anti-psychotics, anti-depressants, and anti-convulsants. All drugs that have a huge impact on a person’s performance. So whereas if you were taking a cocktail of Lithium, Prozac and Zoloft you could legally drive a bus, a guy who smokes a joint couldn’t.

        But let’s forget a moment about illegality all together. Remember the case recently, two America West pilots arrested and charged with trying to fly a jetliner while drunk? A legal drug that radically affects performance. Does the industry demand that pilots disclose whether they consume alcohol? There are regulations as far as when you can drink before a shift, but otherwise no.

        The point being here is that we trust the pilots not to consume legal drugs right before flying. How do we trust them? Rigorous background criminal checks, personal interviews, and thoroughly investigating their personal references, (Not to mention simply testing for drugs). Not through draconian alcohol laws that put people behind bars for decades as a sort of deterence.

        Nobody is saying we are going to allow drugs to interfere with our normal course of doing business. If its your policy not to hire drug users than so be it. I love freedom.

        But if you choose to use, than you should suffer the social consequences. Not suffer losing your entire life and savings to the correctional system. The war on drugs is a business and its time to shut that business down.

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        1. sean

          You can’t become a bus driver if you have a dwi, nor a pilot. I don’t think prozac or zoloft have any adverse effects. There’s a difference between recreational drugs and medication anyway.

          I’m surprised a lawyer took away your entire life savings, but what if it was something else? What if you were arrested for arsenal and had to go through the same legal process to prove your innocence. What if that ruined your life and took away your life savings? Should we just get rid of arsenal laws also? We might as well get rid of the entire judicial system and live in total corruption while we’re at it.

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          1. sean

            Besides, drugs are more than less a state law.. Obama promised not to override state laws and arrest people for drugs with the federal government. That’s the way it should be. If you want to smoke pot, than you should move to one of the 6 states that allows it. They only give you a slap on the wrist if you get caught. If it doesn’t bother you enough to move to another state than it shouldn’t bother you to be arrested for it.

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          2. Tyler

            The topic is the war on recreational drug users, not whack jobs that fill their homes with C4 and automatic weapons. I never said I objected to being arrested, I said I objected to have my life ruined and my rights ignored to boot.

            Bullshit, there is no debate here. Just apologists who haven’t been harmed by the tyranny yet. Well bully for you. I’m glad you’re an upstanding citizen without any moral turptitude. But frankly I think you need to get stoned more often.

            “…move to another state….”

            wtf is wrong with people

            good bye

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          3. sean

            What is your deal? States used to compete all the time with laws and taxes. People migrated to the states that fit their best needs. That was a great thing in the past. Maybe you should learn a lil bit about American history, what I said is not in the least bit odd. That’s good advice I suggest you take… Or wait, do you still depend on your mommy and daddy for support? Maybe you should grow up first.

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          4. sean

            This isn’t a war by the government against drugs, its a war by the people. A majority of people in Tennessee want marijuana laws(including your neighbor). A majority of people in Colorado don’t. Maybe you should move to where you best fit in with society, with your beliefs and ideals. Move to where you become the majority instead of the minority. That is just common sense.

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          5. Ryan

            You can’t be serious; you don’t think perscription drugs like prozac and zoloft have any adverse affects. Most of the drugs given to patients by pharmaceutical companies are more dangerous and more addictive than marijuana. Pharmaceutical companies have some of the biggest lobby groups in America who fight to keep marijuana illegal for this very reason. They place a facade on it as a moral issue when in reality it is an economic issue because if someone monopolized marijuana as medicine pharmaceutical companies would lose a shitload of money.
            Also, you cannot even begin to compare marijuana laws to arsenal laws. We have arsenal laws to protect us from people who illegally horde automatic weapons that have the potential to kill people. Do you know how many people have overdosed on marijuana in the entire history of mankind? ZERO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Every single legal drug in America kills more people than that every year that includes caffeine and aspiring, believe it or not some people are dumb enough to OD on those drugs too. There’s still not even legitimate scientific proof that marijuana kills brain cells. In the study that the government always uses to back up this claim, monkeys were forced to inhale over 50 joints worth of smoke through a mask in minutes and it was concluded that pot killed brain cells. What actually happened was that the monkeys were deprived of oxygen for so long that they suffocated and lost brain cells, but the government wants you to believe that it was the marijuana that killed these brain cells.

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          6. sean

            You can be prescribed marijuana just like any other drug. If you need it, move to a state that allows it. States are supposed to compete with lower taxes and fewer laws, to increase the population and gain revenue.

            For every pot smoker that doesn’t want marijuana laws, there are 10 non-pot smokers that want them. We have a democratic government, maybe if you and all the other pot smokers got off your couches and elected some members in the state to repeal marijuana laws, than you finally fit into society. If not, don’t complain because i’m sure you haven’t done anything to help the cause.

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          7. sean

            In colorado and california, getting caught with weed is only a 100 dollar ticket. I’ve gotten a worse ticket for an outdated inspection on my car.

            There are a lot more states where you don’t get incarcerated if you get caught with pot. Marijuana is legal in Alaska; You don’t get a ticket at all.

            http://www.legaljoint.net/state_by_state/US_content.asp?p=mmj&state=1&mmj=2

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          8. sean

            Medical Marijuana is legal in 13 states.

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          9. JC

            I challenge anyone to find a more ignorant piece of shiite than sean.

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          10. sean

            If you feel so strongly about marijuana laws then get off your couch and do something about it. Nothing will ever change because you and all pot smokers are lazy bastards which contribute nothing to politics or of anything important.

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          11. nate

            Im sorry Sean but your arguments bare no fruit. Drug laws are first and foremost a Federal law. Obama may have PROMISED not to override state (marijuana) laws, but the fact is that people in California and Oregon etc. are still being arrested by federal agents. Secondly, and more importantly, arson (as in your example, or theft or murder or rape) is the destruction of property, that is why it is illegal…It isn’t illegal to start a fire or burn wood, it is illegal to destroy someone else’s property. By a person smoking a joint, they are not affecting anybody elses property or rights. You are comparing apples to nuclear bombs man. Whether or not you think drugs are a good thing is your own perogative and you have to deal that yourself. But remember, sugar is a drug, caffeine is a drug, nicotine is a drug, alcohol is drug…anything that manipulates the chemicals in your brain/body to satisfy an urge is a drug. So technically sex, religion, books, music, laughing, smiling, frowning, swimming, etc…anything can be a drug. Whether or not something harms someone elses rights or property is the line between expressing ones rights and liberties or breaking a NATURAL LAW of harming or destroying somebody else’s property…Once we run down the path of legislating morality, we run down an endless path laws and restrictions that are akin to tyranny.

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          12. sean

            Why don’t you do something about it then? I don’t believe pot should be illegal but that doesn’t matter because a majority of tax payers don’t want their children growing up on drugs. End of story. Unless your going to do something about it, stop preaching to the choir.

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          13. sean

            I think we are both far to the left on this one. You have to convince the church going conservatives on the right.

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      2. Kerri

        Perhaps you should study as to why cancer patients smoke pot. It has nothing to do with pain. I watched my mother die of breast cancer and if it had not been for a friend “helping” her out, she would not have eaten, or have been able to keep the food down if she could have eaten, due to chemotherapy. It had absolutely nothing to do with pain, therefore opiates, which is the real drug problem in this country, would have done no good, and possibly made the problems worse for her. After me discussing this same thing with her Dr. he prescribed her a drug called Marinol, a synthetic form of THC , from the best I can understand, which did indeed help her be a lot more comfortable.
        I cannot say I would want someone to work for my company while stoned, no, I would not, but if our country would take a look at the fatality statistics then perhaps the proper laws concerning marijuana and alcohol would be put in place

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        1. Kerri

          Sean, I do not know you , so therefore would never ever begin to say what you do with your life, whether it be run a marathon or sit in your recliner and play the xbox, what I do know is this. You take the stereotypical pot smoker to a bit of the extreme. And, I have to say that 1/10 ratio that you suggested is way wrong. You should not be so cynical of others, and their choices. Live by your own beliefs of course, but don’t criticize someone else for living by theirs.

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          1. sean

            Pot smokers are lazy. I know what pot does for people, it ruins their motivations for life. I’m not trying to tell people how to live I just want them to understand that the overwhelming majority of hard working tax payers don’t want their children and the entire generation of their grandchildren to end up bunch of lazy individuals. You have to convince all the soccer moms out there first, because they believe personal freedom starts at age 18. They believe they are in charge till then.

            When you grow up and have a family of your own, I believe you will understand where they are coming from. + I do have great respect state laws and for medical marijuana. I believe in most cases there should be more state laws and more state taxes, but balanced out with less federal laws and less federal taxes.

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          2. sean

            Bank fraud has no fatalities and it is also illegal. Do you think we should let these people have their freedoms and be free to do as they please. No.. There are rules to society. If you can’t pay the time than don’t do the crime. If the rules seem unfair, they can be changed. That’s the great thing about a republic government.

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          3. sean

            I believe weed should be legal, but I don’t speak for everyone. I don’t expect to speak for everyone as you accuse me of speaking for others.

            I’m just giving a realistic point of view.

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          4. Kerri

            Sean, once again , you are speaking as if you actually have intelligence on this matter. Good job!Have you ever considered Hollywood ? You speak of soccer moms , do you know how many soccer moms are actually burning one on the way to pick the kids up from the game ? No you dont, because you are blinded in your own narrow minded, stereotypical beliefs. Not all pot smokers are lazy. Some, I’ll say yes, it does make them lazy, but until you have done it yourself, dont speak of things you “think” to be true. As for the day I grow up to have a family of my own……. my son is a grown man and has a child of his own. So perhaps its you who needs to grow up and move onto subjects you actually know facts, rather than opinions, about. You seem pretty intelligent, why not put it to good use?

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          5. sean

            pot smokers are lazy. Amotivational syndrome, a collection of observable consequences of heavy marijuana use that includes apathy, lethargy, reduced concentration, lowered intelligence and a lack of desire to partake in meaningful activities of upwards mobility.

            But although amotivational syndrome cannot be proven as a casual result of marijuana usage, there are certain statistics that do illustrate the correlation between marijuana use and lowered academic and professional success and accomplishments.
            Marijuana users are less likely to finish high school
            They get lower grades in high school and in college than do non smokers
            They perform lower on tests of intellectual capacity
            They self report a decreased ability to excel professionally
            Heavy marijuana users self report that their marijuana habit decreases their ability to perform complex work tasks well, to learn new tasks professionally and that their marijuana usage has hampered their upwards professional climb.

            and trust me, i’ve had my fair share in the past.

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          6. sean

            I tried to drop out when I was 15 because I was smoking pot heavily. But instead I got put onto probation and quit smoking. I ended up getting a student of the month award, and a medal for best student of the year in math.

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          7. christine

            Some believe sitting in a chair at a computer all day posting to a forum, every day, arguing with people all day long is being quite lazy.

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          8. sean

            I am quite the opposite. I work 30 hours a week and go to school for 15 hours a week. That plus i have people here that keep me busy.

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          9. Lindsey

            Sean: I appreciate your testimony about smoking pot. I don’t agree with you on many issues but on this one I pretty much agree.

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          10. sean

            thank u

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      3. Young

        Sean,
        I’ve read every one of your posts regarding “the war on drugs.” You sir, are an idiot.

        Also, nice cut and paste on October 12, 2009 at 9:58 am.

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        1. sean

          I’m sure you are a drug user young.. It’s funny how the people on drugs argue for legalization while the people not on drugs (voting citizens) are against the legalization of drugs. Of course the voting citizens are going to make a difference in the law of the land. Don’t bitch at me because of the lack of social individualism.

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          1. Young

            I think, perhaps, you are confused. You obviously don’t understand what is meant by the term ‘liberty.’

            So, here is something a little more your style. Go, share your ideas with like-minded children. Enjoy!
            http://www.americanfascistmovement.com/ <— American Fascist Movement

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  8. sean

    The term “war on drugs” is far from what it actually means. You usually don’t go to jail for drugs. You do get arrested but don’t have to sit in jail. You can immediately get out and months later be put on probation. It’s more of a rehabilitation and a way to help young or old people get off of addicting substances. It does more good than bad. Just don’t be stupid and take your drugs out in public because then you are putting others in harms way. That is when you start invading other peoples privacy. The law should apply when it becomes a nuance. If your causing trouble, than you are inviting trouble.

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    1. Tyler

      I was nearly incarcerated for twelve years for possession of marijuana. One gram (in TN, 2003, 29.3 grams) made the difference between simple possession , a misdemeanor, and possession with intent to distribute, a felony. I was in my own home, enjoying my privacy and smoking pot while watching a silly movie. Snitched on by a nosy neighbor who reported “a burglary in progress”. Cops came into my house through an open window, no warrant, no warning, guns drawn. Arrested me in my own living room and falsified police reports to show that I had “invited them in”, where they saw the pot on a table.

      Several thousand dollars of court fees and attorney costs and I was able to get most of the case thrown out. But it was really only dropped back down to simple possession, which I served one year supervised probation.

      I lost my job, my house and my girlfriend because of this. I went bankrupt after defaulting on my credit cards I could no longer service the interest on, after having lost my job, after spending five days in county jail.

      I wasn’t causing ANY trouble!! I was ruined because my fellow countrymen snitched me out to the police gestapo and their war on drugs. Yes, its a WAR, believe it. I am living testimony. Think whatever you want to think, believe whatever helps you sleep better at night.

      But when I lie awake at night I think about all the many hundreds of other men I met in jail who also were arrested for possession with intent to distribute… which was nearly all of them. I think about them and think how lucky I was to have assests that kept me out of prison for twelve years… and how those guys have nothing but the public defender.

      I’ll never forget how the Lt. sat there and instructed her officers how to falsify the police report as I sat and listened, handcuffed, from the back of a police cruiser. Showing not only gall by obvious deception but showing a total lack of empathy for my situation and rights as a citizen. I.e, fourth amendment rights.

      I will never, ever forget that. Thank Christ I am not an ex-felon, because I am still able to buy guns. The next time someone crawls through one of my open windows, they better be ready to kill the owner. I will never suffer the possibilty of a decade in prison again… I am NOT A THREAT TO SOCIETY!!!

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      1. sean

        Wow.. Sucks to be you. I would treat my neighbors better if I was you. I wouldn’t be such a douche bag. You were obviously disturbing him in some way. Maybe you shouldn’t “party” with your windows open.

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        1. Jennie

          sean, you are an unbelievably stupid SoB.

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          1. Y Not

            Probably has a government seal tattooed on his ass.

            Whatastatistwhore

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        2. sean

          A majority of the people want marijuana laws, so we wont get rid of them. I’m sorry, that’s how society works. Learn to deal with it or grow up.

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      2. sean

        What? If you do your neighbors good than they shall treat you with respect. It’s stupid to think otherwise.

        I bet this guy was smoking in his parents house, which is disrespectful. That is probably why his neighbor called the cops..

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    2. RevWildflower

      Most pot smokers don’t go out in public. They stay at home and smoke, just like beer drinkers sit at home on the weekends and watch the game. Same thing, different “drug”. Personally, I think beer kills WAY more people then pot does, and so do cigarettes. So why aren’t those drugs illegal??? It makes no sense to me to make something illegal that has never killed anyone EVER!! Then to make alcohol and cigarettes legal that has killed thousands of people within a years time. Which makes more sense to you??? Pot smokers are the most peaceful people on this planet, can you say that of alcoholics?? NO!!! I say people need to educate themselves and please read The Emperor Wears No Clothes… EDUCATE YOURSELVES!! Don’t let the government lie to you anymore and learn for yourself the truth about Cannabis!! It has always done way more good then harm. The only harm in it is it is illegal… tears families apart for NO GOOD REASON!!

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      1. sean

        haha of course the drug users are going to rebel. Just shows how many Ron Paul supporters are degenerates to society. It’s not a federal crime to get caught with weed, it’s a state law, and if you don’t have respect for state laws, than you have no respect for our country.

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        1. RevWildflower

          Respect for the country??? How?? It sure isn’t what our forefathers had in mind. I suppose you think all the pharmaceutical drugs are good for people too. Not! They are slowly killing us as well. Can anyone say genocide?

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  9. Mike Stroup

    The “War On (some) Drugs” is a violation of God’s will as acknowledged and cited in the Constitution of the United States for people to live in freedom with liberty. When drug use causes problems it is a problem, and is then drug abuse. Drug abusers, such as alcoholics, are not bad people, they are sick people. They should not get arrested and imprisoned, they should get care and treatment. When drug use does not cause problems, it is simply that, drug use, and is none of anyone else’s, or government’s business, at any level. Our current drug policy does not just not work, it actually makes everything it touches, worse. Our current policy guarantees all manner of dangerous drugs are readily available to our children, because it created and protects a production, distribution and sales monopoly for dangerous, violent, drug profiteers. Our policy has seriously degraded the domestic tranquillity of several allied nations, such as Mexico. Our policy has done far more damage, at a far greater cost, than could possibly be caused by the substances it claims, but endlessly fails, to control. The prohibition of industrial hemp (that has no drug use value) alone is reason enough for a complete reevaluation of our current drug policy. Most people have enough common sense to realize if what you are doing has not, can not and never will work, you should seriously consider stopping that and trying something else. This nation’s current drug policy is insanely stupid.

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  10. John Fellows

    One only needs to refer to the abysmal failure of so-called ‘prohibition’ to get some historical perspective on the so-called ‘war on drugs’. Didn’t work then, isn’t working now. Legalize, regulate, and tax. THAT works. It eliminates most related crimes, clears the courts and jails, and generates legitimate revenue while adding heretofore untaxed dollars to the national treasury. I do not imbibe, but it irritates me that acquaintances fear for their safety in order to enjoy their preferred relaxant.

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  11. Megan

    Thank you for your words on Larry King over the legalization of marijuana. I’ve been saying that for so long and its great to have someone who actually has power, legitimacy, and credibility to speak out on the FACTS.

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  12. Herewe Goagain

    When you are burning that next hooter, watch this:
    http://www.raincitystory.com/flash/screenclean.swf

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  13. Joey Crook

    I have bipolar-2, anxiety, NF-2, tendonitis, hyper mania, after 7 yrs of meds, pot is the only thing that helps all of the pain and anxiety. I live in TN and got busted with 1.2 grams. Court is oct 14

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    1. Mike Stroup

      I’ve seen people accidentally spill more than 1.2 grams rolling a joint. I’m sorry TN law enforcement doesn’t have anything better to do, like hunt down real criminals who have committed real crimes where there are real victims. When war repairations are paid after our insanely stupid drug policy finally ends, I hope TN makes it right with you. By the way, get the HELL out of TN as soon as you can!

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  14. CH

    Well its easy to think of all the reasons why the class 1 drug Mary Jane should be decriminalized and/or Legalized… But lets all take a moment to reflect on the reasons it should not be….

    Oh yeah it promotes free thinking and de-conformation to popular belief’s while enlightening its users to the more, ever present, struggle of man/women in our current society. Its amazing how many of us sleepwalk through life oblivious to the global puppet strings guiding us in what to think, do, eat…

    This is bad business for the wealthily elitist at the top making the decisions for us of how to spend our money, if we somehow wake up and realize we are getting effed in the A.

    Control has always been a tactic of those in power. Conformity to popular belief’s keeps the rich getting richer and poor… you know “taking it in stride…”

    I haven’t smoked since new years. I plan on actually joining a Federal Agency (DEA FBI), 3 years clean of weed, and I believe Marijuana is not a dangerous drug if used in moderation. Though I feel it is a very subjective drug (different reactions in people.)

    When I used to smoke I studied Organic/Bio Chemistry and other complex sciences, wrote very in depth methodical research papers, cleaned, used it as an anti-anxiety/depression medication, ate more cautiously and healthy, drank a lot more water woke up the next day feeling fine

    When I drink, I am lazy, I eat a lot, I make poor destructive decisions, and always seem to wake up feeling like crap.. (not always… college nights have there high’s and lows)

    My point is in the how ever many years I smoked I learned more about myself and my surroundings, becoming aware of life’s true nature… Smoking makes you slow down sometimes and appreciate things a lot better

    Drinking is away of forgetting life’s problems and repressing them to worry about later.

    I choose Smoking and living life aware to these issues anyday

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    1. keegan michael

      Why CH with those values that you have, join the DEA which raids medical cannabis dispensaries and imprisons people working innocently by law, arrests medical patients who use it for relief… its really quite disgusting in my opinion(the agency). Regulation of these things should NOT be by a federal agency – at least not one pertaining to activities in the states, perhaps international drug trafficking. It’s an herb that’s been deemed by the American medical association and major european medical journals as far less dangerous than alcohol or tobacco… Would you be willing to be ordered to arrest and imprison innocent people? i dont think the agency is a really a forum of free thinking.

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  15. Jan

    Mexico Decriminalizes Small-scale Drug Possession

    Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:05 pm
    more: headline news, drug policy news, mexico
    http://hightimes.com/news/ht_admin/5776

    Last week, on C-Span, the USA made a big drug bust on the Mexican Drug cartels. They collected tons of drugs and Billions of dollars!
    Atty General said he was sending Mexico’s cut of $1.8 billion back to Mexico….!
    I find this rather Ironic, while we are going to pay for 37 million illegals healthcare in this country with the “don’t ask, don’t tell ” policy this Healthcare reform will contain.
    Government workers, with this bill, as it stands, will not have to ask any illegal to qualify or verify their citizenship status.
    (Dill amendment voted down!)

    However, all American’s must verify and qualify for their free or low premium Healthcare insurance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Why did our Atty General not keep all those billions to use to pay for the Americans and the Illegals Healthcare !!!!!!!!!!

    I want to know what they did with all that money! And do they then sell those drugs to the Pharmaceutical companies or just give to them..to make pain meds or something from them?

    This is ludicrous to allow our government to continue to not be accountable to us, on these issues……..

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  16. Richard

    A kid with a better home life a better education will not choose drugs.

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  17. Jan

    The War on Drugs is working….
    for government, big prison investors, the money cartel….oh its working all right….not for the youth but certainly for the Money laundering of our government. Free drugs for the Pharma’s too.
    Lots of profit then yeh!

    The Illuminati Tsunami is fast approaching and nearly at our doorsteps, but I still stand on dry ground for which my Lord has parted the sea for me to walk in……….my eyes are on the sparrow and my heart is with the Spirit of the Lord!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    forever Jan in Christ!

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  18. Jan

    Sorcerers and Pharma read……..Revelations 21:8

    The Illuminati Tsunami is fast approaching and nearly at our doorsteps, but I still stand on dry ground for which my Lord has parted the sea for me to walk in……….my eyes are on the sparrow and my heart is with the Spirit of the Lord!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    forever Jan in Christ!

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  19. christine

    I strongly suggest that everyone get educated and pay attention to what is happening concerning the upcoming government-controlled, mass, forced flu vaccination plan. We only have a couple of months before we will be hit with something larger than any other issue. This is designed to change our country, the world as we know it.

    Much has already been posted on the several “Health” sections of this forum. Please check out the information, especially more towards the bottom of the entries.

    For anyone who is working towards preserving our liberty, freedom from tyranny…check out the agenda (there’s always an agenda) from the Swine Flu Conference held in Washington D.C., especially #2 & #6

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/32605.html
    http://www.new-fields.com/ISFC/brochure.pdf

    Jane Bergermeister has filed a criminal indictment against the World Health Organization (WHO) and Obama due to the evidence she has about contaminated flu vaccines being distributed for mass depopulation. Know her story, her case.

    Important Websites to Keep Informed
    http://birdflu666.wordpress.com
    http://theflucase.com

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  20. scott

    what a waste of money: a california marijuana dispensary was raided today by The DEA, FBI, IRS, Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department, LAPD, Torrance Police Department and Culver City PD, according to the LA times.

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/08/dea-fbi-irs-raids-two-westside-pot-dispensaries-shoots-a-dog.html#comments

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  21. commonsensethinker

    Read the book “Ain’t nobody’s business if you do.” And then research how the government killed the author by forbidding him to use marijuana which was helping his appetite, and keeping him alive.

    The Federal penalties for marijuana are draconian. You could drive drunk and kill somebody and serve less time than growing a few plants in your basement. This nanny mentality has to stop. Home of the free…. what a joke!

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  22. nathan fetler

    We need to end the war on drugs!

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  23. libertarian

    decriminilisation of marijuana, does not make pot selling legal usually. The constitution gives americans the right to use all plants from seed. The federal gov should have no authority on who is to sell, buy or use marijuana, the 10th amendment should allow individual states to tax it, however, why penalize pot smokers with taxes? when you have alcohol, and chemically contaminated poor quality tobacco rolled up into what we call cigarettes that cause many more health problems, if any the latter two and hard drugs could be taxed.
    If you put high taxes on pot, an underground market will arise, offering tax free pot at a more competitive price.
    Less (ideally none) gov interventionism on this part will mean more money in our pockets, more investments will be done faster, a whole web of the economy will be funded (without the gov ever poking their dirty nose in, in a perfect world). on top of that, low price, high quality pot will provide a huge market for export (we could start selling pot to canadians :)).
    another benefit, is having the freedom to use a healthy natural medicine which can replace he use of most “pills”, at low cost. A change from the disgusting big pharma scenario, where doctors are sponsored to push pills, with disgusting side effects (often addictive), driving health care costs up to ridiculous levels.
    on a side note, Nationalized socialist healthcare in europe, also has the result of many people addicted to dangerous pharmaceutical drugs they don’t need. abusing the pills because they are refunded, results in cost, health problems (and eventually a brave new world with zombie like dull minded people).

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  24. jerry

    The Govt and the big pharma companies have a hard time believing any real medicine can be created outside a labratory. God or mother nature or whatever you believe could never be so “intelligent” as man. Luckily some of the states are waking up and are fighting against this false belief. If you live in a state that hasn’t legalized medical marijuana it is your duty to support only candidates that do. If that means going out of your comfort zone of voting for Republicans or Democrats only then support a third party candidate that believes in medical marijuana. If you can’t find a candidate then don’t vote.

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  25. txpeloton

    Cannabis the plant is good because it can be used in so many ways: newspaper, clothing, food, bio-fuel, and drugs.
    Cannabis when used as a drug is not necessarily bad.
    Many medical benefits are being rediscovered.
    It kills cancer cells, but a massive overdose is not lethal.
    Burning cannabis to get high is what upsets so many bystanders who consider it bad.

    The federal law should be changed to distinguish the good from the bad.

    Someone chose to use the racist term ‘marihuana’ in the definition as a semantics trick in order to make cannabis illegal. The current definition is abstruse, but should be made simple, per Occam’s Razor. It merely defines a substance whose misplacement within the Schedules is a separate issue.

    The word ‘cannabis’ appears only once in the CSA, in the definition of ‘marihuana’. The other relevant mentions are of marihuana, marijuana, or substance(s) in schedule 1. If Congress made a simple legislative change to the definition, from this:

    “The term ‘marihuana’ means all parts of the plant Cannabis sativa L., whether growing or not…”

    to this:

    “The term ‘marihuana’ means all parts – of the smoke produced by the combustion – of the plant Cannabis sativa L., period.”

    then marijuana (the smoke) stays prohibited, but cannabis (the plant, including its unsmoked parts and vapors) would be unscheduled and legal.

    This way, the anti-marijuana group gets to have it their way, but the pro-cannabis group gets to have it their way, too. This would permit the States to tax and regulate the uses of cannabis, and also restores our 9th and 10th Amendment rights.

    With so many people suffering economically, medically, and legally because of marijuana prohibition, clearly the time is right for a reasonably simple definition of marijuana.

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  26. Newbie Ron

    Criminalization of drugs, just as it did for alcohol, has raised the worst elements of society into positions of great wealth and power. Decriminalization of alcohol took production away from gun toting murders and placed it in the hands of Mom and Pop winery owners. We know for certain that criminalization of alcohol corrupted government. (Chicago, Los Angeles, the Federal government.) The same is very likely true today due to illegal drugs.

    I hate drugs and their terrible consequences to society. However, legalization is the answer to many of those problems.

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  27. maskvp

    Ron Paul is one of the calm logical voices of our times. Unfortunately, common sense rarely enters into US politics. I’ve begun to see this as I’ve matured. Why we have been unable to expunge the self-serving hypocrites in office now is beyond me… Voting one out and then replacing with another narcissistic two-faced jerk seems to be the political process now.

    I’ve lived in Texas most of my life. The existing MJ laws are draconian and should be re-written. A small amount grown in one’s home SHOULD be legal as long as it is for personal use. State-grown and taxed? Sure. Why not? This would go a long ways in eliminating the pot Black Market and might help State and Federal budgets.

    Anecdotal evidence concerning the palliative effects of using marijuana should not be discounted. There are just too many people who state that it has helped them.

    On the flip-side marijuana isn’t all that benign either. Much in the same way there is the potential for abuse with alcohol and tobacco and sugar and processed food… OK I’m losing most of ya there but the point is made.

    Also, I’m health-care worker with extensive experiences in hospital emergency rooms. I have smelled weed on individuals on occasion; however not once has a person entered from an overdose of marijuana. That is commonly reserved for alcohol, cocaine, heroin and prescription drugs. As a student I once witnessed a carpenter who came in with four of his fingers sliced off due to a mishap with a table-saw. He smelled like he’d been smoking grass. I attribute his injuries to a category I now call “stupid human tricks”. I see lots of them. Alcohol is usually the prime factor.

    Let us make our own choices in this matter Big Government! Stay out of our lives and get back to the job of defending our shores.

    maskvp

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  28. ex-american

    Leave it to a bunch of Europeans who aren’t even Native to the United States of America to decide what laws we should live under.
    Who determined that this tiny band of people who were once from a german tribe of Europe who today refer to themselves being called English, who told them they could make our laws for us?
    Hey! NO!!!! Europeans.
    This is not your native land and was taken by your German family.
    Our natural right is marijuana, it is healthy, natural, and we don’t want your European logger beer from you fat ugly oppressive family.
    We WILL have pot.
    Go back to your land. Trolls.

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  29. Pistol

    Dr. Alexis Carrel won a nobel prize for proving that body cells are in fact immortal.. By cleaning away the waste and nourishing the cells, he managed to keep the cells of a chickens heart alive for decades.
    He was also renowned for his research and accomplishments in the area of organ transplantation….
    Its too bad we was working for the rockefeller institute at the time and many of his discoveries have since been suppressed…
    Basically, we can live forever and were in fact meant to do that to an extent.. We were never meant to die as such(death is an illusion). We were meant to transcend, just as other ancient civilizations have in the past.

    Here is another interesting link.. Its not really relevant to war on drugs and pertains more to health… My understanding is that everything is linked to a certain degree… and when we understand the core principle behind life, we will resolve all of the issues.

    http://www.13moon.com/ The following post is an exert from the link.

    Traditionally, calendars have long served as the centerpoint of culture.

    The 13-Moon Calendar has been followed for over 5000 years.

    “We find evidence of its use as a prehistoric synchronic measure in the remote past
    of China, Polynesia, and scattered across late Neolithic Europe and the Middle East.”
    – Dr. José Argüelles, PhD

    Around the globe we find breath-taking reminders of the monumental role that calendars have played throughout human history.

    Why are calendars so important?
    What function do they serve in our lives?

    The current world calendar:
    upholds a framework of standardized church, state, and global marketplace activities defines the schedule of holidays and traditional cultural practices coordinates the worldwide socio-economic program. In essence, a calendar produces the faculty by which we operate, and the lens through which we see…

    What’s wrong with the calendar we have?

    The 12-month calendar is arbitrary and irregular, lacking any correspondence to actual cycles of nature.

    Put simply by physicist Mark Comings: “The 12 month calendar has a cycle that is contrary to and out of phase with the natural annual 13 fold gravitational wave created by the Moon’s orbit around the Earth.”

    This lack of harmony, though generally un-examined, has a profound effect on the way we relate to the Universe we live within.

    Movements of the Stars, Moons and Planets have eternally served mankind as reference points for relating to the Nature of Time.

    The current world calendar divides the year as if it were a 2-D circle. 360 degrees of a flat circle are portioned into 12 subsections of 30 degrees each, giving us “30” day months. This method of calendrics dates back to ancient Babylon and provides the template for the current 12-month calendar and 12-hour clock (doubling the calculation, we get 24 hours and 60 minutes). The 12-month model for measuring time fails for the 365-day year divided arbitrarily into 30-day months leaves 5 extra days!

    How does it resolve this discrepancy?

    Some of the months are 31 days, some 30, yet February gets 28 days, except for an extra day once every four years (but not on centuries, except those divisible by the number four).

    “30 days has Septober. April, June, and no wonder. All the rest have peanut butter, except my grandmother, who has a little red tricycle.” -Mad Magazine, circa 1958

    Wonder why the months named September through December, which literally mean 7-10, are actually months 9-12? What’s in a name?

    The system of 12 months and a corresponding 12 hour : 60-minute clock, is known as the 12:60 timing frequency, and has yet to be proven as a viable measure of time. This flat perception of time does not correlate to any actual cycles of time! It is an artificial model of reality. It is encoding humanity with a comprehension of the natural world as disharmonious and non-coherent!

    For example, today on the Gregorian Calendar is Tues, December 3rd. What day of the week will January 3rd be? What day of the week will February 3rd be?

    The 13 moon calendar is an obvious and ancient way to structure the year. 13 cycles of 28 days describe the year perfectly,
    with one day of renewal before the new year.

    Perfect Periodicity
    For every one time we go around the Sun,
    the Moon goes around Earth 13 times.

    The year has already been divided by Nature- 13 ‘moon’ths of perpetual harmony.

    The 12-month calendar hides the 13th moon. The number 13 is now surrounded by superstition and is considered taboo; unlucky; evil. This fear is reinforced by cultural antiquities like “Friday the thirteenth.” Often buildings have no 13th floor, or avoid constructing a # 13 apt unit. Why? In the culture we have from Europe, there was a mass murder of many Templars in France on Friday the 13th.

    The ancient Maya had an entirely different relationship to the number 13, actually revering it at as the Key to Time itself. 13 is the Mayan galactic prime number; the Force of The Universal Movement of Creation.

    Associated with the powers of endurance and longevity, the ancient vertebrate Turtle has 13 scales on its shell. “The first calendar that North American Indians ever had was Turtle’s shell…The Earth Mother, who was represented by the most fertile creature of our planet, the Turtle, showed our Ancestors how to mark the passing of each moon cycle. Turtle’s shell bore the 13 moons of the year inside of a frame that formed the circle we call the Sacred Hoop, or Medicine Wheel – representing the relationship of all life to all life.” -Author Jamie Sams

    The name of “Turtle Island” to refer to Earth can represent our planet swimming in waves of radiant solar and cosmic energies.

    “Without the Thirteenth Moon; without placing the Thirteenth Moon back into our consciousness, we remain absolutely trapped in the complexification of form. With the 13th we have the transcendence and also the circulation of time.” -Valum Votan

    The pattern of women’s fertility cycles averages the 28-day, 13 moon ratio! Nature’s rhythms live within us!

    13 is also a Fibonacci number, a mathematical sequence discovered by Leonardo of Pisa in 1200AD whilst studying the great pyramid of giza. This sequence of numbers exists everywhere in nature, including our bodies. Number 13 is the eighth number in the sequence. Number 8 represents infinity, making 13 even more pronounced.

    Why has the 13th moon been hidden from us? What is to be gained by suppressing the creational principle of Mother Nature?

    As prominent theoretical physicist Gerard J. Milburn reveals, “The aim of modern science is to reach an understanding of the world, not merely for purely aesthetic reasons, but that it may be ordered to our purpose.”

    Living under the guise of the 12-month calendar, we have come to view nature as irrelevant – wilderness without intelligence, sentience, or order. It is from this fundamentally flawed perception that humanity attempts to progress ‘beyond the limitations of nature.’ In fact, it is our model of nature that is flawed, not nature itself.

    As a comprehensive reflection of nature, the 13-Moon Calendar is an organization of creational elements that serves as a holistic tool for ongoing participation in life’s cyclic processes. If humanity wish to produce harmony, we must use harmonic tools!

    The harmonic numbers of the Tzolkin are as clear as our 20 fingers and toes – digits with which to measure the universe. Our body’s 13 major joints, or articulations, move us through the universe. Through movement and measure, we experience each other and ourselves as the universe.

    From a whole system perspective, time, humanity, and nature are inseparable. Our physical and emotional bodies are moved by the same lunar, solar and planetary forces. Where we appear separate in space, we are unified in time.

    When we structure our lives by the artificial rhythm of the clock and 12-month calendar, we expose our central nervous system, and subsequently, our entire mental-emotional body to the frequency of a machine.

    Renowned author and scientist Dr. Deepak Chopra, M.D., has presented studies showing how: the stress of linear time contributes directly to an acceleration of the physical aging process, inclusive of deterioration and disease.

    In modern industrial living, we wake up by the clock, we eat to the clock – we plan our lives and live our days in accord to the clock. We refer to the clock to program even our most basic of biological functions!

    Quoting Mark Comings, Quantum Physicist: “The intrinsic folly of this unnecessary yet widely promoted artificial dependance upon machine technology is that it discourages the development of, and even serves to hide the existence of, a vast spectrum of inner capacities – psychic, mental, emotional and spiritual potentials – that lie dormant within the biological human body in time.”

    According to Dr. José Argüelles, PhD.: “The simple and easiest way to reprogram your daily awareness of the actual nature of time is to follow the 13 Moon Calendar.”

    This concept alone may eradicate the need for many drugs.

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  30. Jan

    Lee Swanson Research Update
    Multivitamins Linked to Younger Biological Age
    June 2009

    New research shows the cells of multivitamin users may have a younger biological age than cells from non-users.

    Researchers led by Honglei Chen, M.D., Ph.D. from the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences, a division of the National Institutes of Health, looked at the length of telomeres, DNA sequences at the end of chromosomes that shorten as cells replicate and age.

    The ageing and lifespan of normal, healthy cells are linked to the so-called telomerase shortening mechanism, which limits cells to a fixed number of divisions. During cell replication, the telomeres function by ensuring the cell’s chromosomes do not fuse with each other or rearrange, which can lead to cancer. With each replication the telomeres shorten, and when the telomeres are totally consumed, the cells are destroyed. Previous studies have also reported that telomeres are highly susceptible to oxidative stress.

    Dr. Chen and his co-workers noted that telomere length may therefore be a marker of biological ageing, and that multivitamins may beneficially affect telomere length via modulation of oxidative stress and chronic inflammation.

    The scientists analyzed multivitamin use and nutrient intakes, as well as telomere length of 586 women aged between 35 and 74 in the Sister Study. A 146-item food-frequency questionnaire was used to determine multivitamin use and nutrient intakes. Compared to non-multivitamin users, the researchers noted that the telomeres were on average 5.1% longer for daily multivitamin users.

    “To our knowledge, this was the fist epidemiologic study of multivitamin use and telomere length,” wrote Dr. Chen and his co-workers. “Regular multivitamin users tend to follow a healthy lifestyle and have a higher intake of micronutrients, which sometimes makes it difficult to interpret epidemiologic observations on multivitamin use. Further investigation would be needed to understand the role of multivitamin use and telomere length and its implication in the etiology of chronic diseases.”

    American Journal of Clinical Nutrition 89(6):1857-1863, 2009

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    Solari Tapeworm Econonmics:
    In a Tapeworm Economy, a small group of insiders consolidate political and economic power at the expense of people, living things, and our environment in a manner that destroys real wealth. A Tapeworm Economy is one in which it is considered acceptable to make money from doing things that cause the Popsicle Index to go down.

    http://solari.com/index.php?id=72&searched=Drugs&highlight=ajaxSearch_highlight+AS_ajax_highlight1

    War on Drugs:
    1. Our Children’s Popsicle Index is Falling

    * Narco Dollars for Beginners
    * Narco Dollars Spanish translation
    * Narco Dollars–The Song

    Case Study of Tapeworm Economics:
    Dillon, Read & Co. Inc. and the Aristocracy of Stock Profits
    Introducing The Tapeworm and Tapeworm Economics

    * Catherine Austin Fitts Explains The American Tapeworm: A Moneychanger Interview
    * The American Tapeworm
    * Where Would Jesus Bank?

    Read more by clicking on the site…….

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    1. Jan

      in case you don’t read the above, here is just an example page:

      The Real Deal: Sam & Dave Do White Substances
      Friday, 15 February 2002, 11:22 am
      Column: Catherine Austin Fitts
      http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0202/S00061.htm
      Narco-Dollars For Dummies (Part 2)
      How The Money Works In The Illicit Drug Trade
      Part 2 in a 13 Part Series
      By Catherine Austin Fitts
      First published in the Narco News Bulletin

      See also… PART 1 – The Real Deal: Narco-Dollars For Dummies

      ******

      The Economics of Production:
      Sam and Dave Do Boat Loads of White Agricultural Substances

      It helps to look at the business globally as the United States is the world leader in global money laundering. According to the Department of Justice, the US launders between $500 billion – $1 trillion annually. I have little idea what percentage of that is narco dollars, but it is probably safe to assume that at least $100-200 billion relates to US drug import-exports and retail trade.

      Ok, so let’s think about how much Sam and Dave have in accumulated profits in their bank and brokerage accounts.

      Let’s assume that the US narco national product in 1947 was $1 billion and it has grown to about $150 billion today. Assume a straight line of growth from $1 billion to $150 billion, so the business grows about $3 billion a year and then tops out at $150 billion as the Solari Index has bottomed out at or near 0 percent. America is about as stoned on illegal drugs as it can get, and growth in controlled “Schedule II” substances has moved to Ritalin and other cocaine-like drugs for kids that government programs and health insurance will now finance.
      go to the site for more…….free info on how the War on Drugs is working!!!!!!!!!!

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  33. Jan

    The war on drugs…………I never took any.
    But, I listen to people in the know about how government is prospering from it. Another government money making creation!
    What do they do with the confiscated drugs and money they get when they do a drug bust? It’s a way to launder money legally. The drugs, they give it to the pharmaceutical companies or they buy it from them, and make money on it.
    What do they do with those stupid enough to buy them and use them illegally? The Elitest’s have invested their money into building more prisons. 7 million of our youth have been put in prisons, for being the stooge for buying the drugs from the drug pushers, then the cops can raid them and collect more money and drugs……who pay’s for those prisoners to be housed? Our tax dollars. Guaranteed income again, from the taxpayer, for the elitest’s.
    Ask Cheney who invested in prisons…..he’d tell you the war on drugs is working real good.

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  34. Cheryl Lee Wagner

    Hello Ron: Please read the following; my mother was a business woman and this was posted on her board for as long as I can remember (50’s-60’s). I feel it is still true today. Can’t wait till 2012 when you will be our President.
    cheryl wagner

    RED RULES FOR REVOLUTION
    (Letter written to the editor
    of an out-of-town newspaper)

    Editor:

    Back in May, 1919, at Dusseldorf, Germany, the allied forces obtained a copy of some of the “Communists Rules for Revolution”. Nearly 50 years later, the Reds are still following them. When reading the list stop after each item and think about the situation today where you live, and all across our nation today.

    1. Corrupt the young; get them away from religion. Get them interested in sex. Make them superficial; destory their ruggedness.

    2. Get control of all means of publicity, thereby:
    -Get people’s minds off their government by focusing their attention on athletics,sexy books and plays and other trivialties.
    -Divide the people into hostile groups by contstantly harping on controversial trivialties.
    -Destroy their faith in their natural leaders by holding the latter up to contempt,ridicule and disgrace.
    -Always preach true democracy, but seize power as fast and ruthlessly as possible.
    -Destroy their government’s credit by encouraging government extravagance, thereby producing fear of inflation with rising prices and general discontent.
    -Incite unnecessary strikes in vital industries. Encourage civil disorders and foster a linient and soft attitude on the part of the old moral issues; honesty, sobriety, self restraint, faith in the pledged word, ruggedness.
    -Cause the registration of all firearms on some pretext, with a view to confiscating them and leaving the population helpless.

    That is quite a list, isn’t it? Now stop and think how many of these rules are being carried out in this nation today???

    I don’t see how any thinking person can truthfully say the Communists do not have any part in the chaos that is upsetting our nation. Is it just one bid COINCIDENCE?

    GOOD LUCK in ALL that you are doing. We need help!!

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  35. Pistol

    I have touched on this before under other topics but I feel this is the ‘right’ place to discuss further. On the subject of drug prohibition, one of the most absurd drug laws is that pertaining to the substance known as DMT (dimethyltryptamine). The banning of this relatively unheard of chemical is more obscure than the illegalisation of our green friend (pot). The fact that most people have not even heard of DMT is another concern..

    This chemical is part of a much larger story relating to history, origins of life, health, religion, lunar landings, true intelligence, GOD and more.
    DMT is a chemical that occurs naturally and abundantly in nature. It is produced by plants and grasses, and by the Pineal gland in reptiles, amphibians, & mammals (including us), along with another chemical known as seratonin. (Some Reptiles actually have a functioning eyelid, retna and lens attached to their pineal gland)
    DMT is produced in small quantities during REM sleep and is our connection to source energy.. (the world u experience whilst dreaming – the true reality beyond the illusion of physicality). DMT is also produced in much larger quantities at the moment of death.. (interesting)

    Sitting directly atop the spinal column (stairway to heaven), is a small endocrine gland known as the Pineal Gland. It is located at the epicentre of the brain and is a representation of the 3rd eye. (Egyptians, Hindus and secret societies revere this gateway)

    Its no accident that it appears on a pyramid as the all seeing eye on the dollar bill.

    This tiny, pine cone shaped gland is the least understood element of the human anatomy according to modern medicine. Microcluster crystals called Calcite crystals have recently been discovered within the Pineal Gland and the main investigator into this amazing gland is mobile phone companies whom believe that this discovery gives rise to a very interesting, plausible theory.

    That the Pineal gland is a radio transmitter/receiver and is picking up a signal (consciousness) from somewhere outside of the body. (well durr). So they are now attempting to transmit signals directly to the Pineal gland in a bid to remove the need for a handset altogether.. (very bad idea)

    All the toxins in our food, water, air, pharmaceutical drugs, narcotics, chemtrails, etc, all attack the Pineal gland and its ability to produce DMT, seratonin and melatonin, resulting in varying levels of depression and or ill health.

    Enter the pharmaceuticals…. lets prescribe these depressed individuals a chemical substitute for DMT such as prozac and watch the patient slowly lose the plot. (how’s that for gross negligence). If u research most mass murders by a single gunmen, alot of the culprits were on medication to treat depression. Pharmaceutical copies of DMT are highly addictive, dangerous, and affect the Pineal glands ability to create its own defense against depression, (seratonin).

    DMT however, when extracted from plant matter and introduced to the body is non toxic, non leathal, non addictive, no lasting side-effects, and has zero recorded deaths associated with its use, unlike chemical substitutes sold legally by pharma companies.
    One single dose of DMT has been known to cure heroin addiction. As the most powerful psychedelic known to man, DMT produces such a profound spiritual experience that the users state of awareness is usually altered in such a way, they no longer see the sense in taking drugs and appreciate life for the great mystery that it is…
    Indians of the Brazilian rainforest use a herbal mix called Ayahuasca, which is said to contain DMT and is used in their ceremonies when contacting the spirit world, dating back thousands of years. The vatican in rome has the garden of the pine. A 20ft monument of a giant pine cone stands for all to see, hidden in plain sight. The pope even has a staff with a small pine cone shaped ornament at the end. It is proof they know more than they are letting on, as they worship the Pineal gland… Why???? Well for obvious reasons as mentioned above. As Descartes said, The Pineal Gland is the seat of the soul…

    The pine cone (pineal gland) has been worshipped for thousands of years by civilization around the globe… All of them knew something that has been kept well hidden in modern times.. Until now.
    When u understand what all this means, you will understand why there is a fake war on harmful drugs whilst helpful ones are banned.

    Now here is another interesting point… DMT is a schedule-1 banned substance. To be aprehended with 100g of DMT on ur person, is equalivent to 1kg of pure heroin. That is downright ludicrous. This law makes everyone a criminal as we all have DMT inside our bodies. Next the authorities will be breaking down doors arresting people for dreaming…lol

    Do some research into DMT and the Pineal Gland. You wont be disappointed. Thankyou
    Peace I AM
    P

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