Ron Paul on the Glenn Beck Program

Ron Paul and Glenn Beck talk about FEMA camps and health care.

Channel: Fox News
Show: Glenn Beck Program
Date: 3/3/2009


Glenn Beck: God Almighty, I mean, there is just so much to deal with. I got up this morning after a very long night of tossing and turning. If you watched Fox this morning, or listened to my radio show, I told you that I was going to tell you about the Fema camps, or the Fema prisons, today. This is something that I snapped on the air because somebody called up and said, “Dude, why don’t you talk about the Fema prisons?” and I said, “Can we just settle the Fema prison thing?”

I don’t believe in the Fema prison. If you don’t know I’ll tell you about it in a couple of days. I was going to talk about it today. But as I came in to do the show this morning, and then I went into my office and I was looking at all the research that we had compiled, and it wasn’t complete. And I am not willing to bring something to you that is half-baked. If these things exists, that’s bad, and we will cover it. If they don’t exist it’s irresponsible to not debunk this story. We have an independent group on this program looking into it, turning over every stone. I am going to bring you this story.

This program is not beholden – this is going to drive the conspiracy theorist crazy about me – they’re making me say this, help. This program is not beholding to anybody, we answer to ourselves. I answer to me. I lost sleep last night worrying about this story, thinking about this story, wanting to make sure that I got it right. The only thing that I answer to is myself, and I just want to be able to look at myself in the mirror, and also sleep at night.

The media covers lots of stories, but I don’t think they ever put all the pieces of it together. I mean, it is never ever known what anything means. All of the news is connected, it fits together, it fits together like a puzzle and I want to show you tonight what it means.

Put the first puzzle piece together: President Obama has dedicated 155 million dollars to 126 community health centers.

Next piece: Tom Colburn and the others are prepared to go to jail if the government repeals the conscience clause, which it is considering doing. This involves protection for federally funded health-care providers who object to procedures like abortion on moral grounds.

Third Piece: The government is willing to limit deductions from charitable giving from people who make over 250,000 dollars a year. Charities are worried they are going to make even less money this year without it, let alone with it. It all adds up to: government control. And that is what is really going on in our country. It’s not about the stimulus, it’s not about the bailout, it’s not about solving problems. It’s about controlling things.

Joining me now is Congressman Ron Paul. Hello, Congressman. How are you, sir?

Ron Paul: Hi Glenn, good to be with you.

Glenn Beck: Good to be with you. First of all, on the Fema prison thing, we’ve been in contact with your office and we would appreciate any help that you have. I want to make sure that we will be turning over every stone on everything, because there’s a lot of crazy stuff that is being said about these things, and I appreciate you talking to us, and we’ll be in touch with you again because I want to make sure that we have everything that you might be concerned with as well. Will you help us on that, sir?

Ron Paul: Yea, I don’t think all the answers are in. You’re concerned that they might be setting up these camps that verge on concentration camps. There’s no evidence that I can find that they’re actually set up. But I think there is a justified concern, not just because of the legislation that has been proposed, because that piece of legislation doesn’t have a lot of co-sponsors. It’s not on the verge of being passed.

But the atmosphere in Washington is what we have to be concerned about. You know, since 9/11, dealing with the PATRIOT Act, and repealing the Posse Comitatus and the Insurrection Act – these in transit are very, very bad, where personal liberties and civil liberties are not well protected and Fema is already very, very powerful and they overrule and they go in on emergencies. So in some ways, they can accomplish what you might be thinking about, about setting up camps, and they don’t necessarily have to have legislation, you know, to do the things that we dread. But it is something that deserves a lot of attention.

Glenn Beck: Congressman, I want to make it very clear. I’m not fearing this things are happening. I want to set the record straight because we’ve got to know what we can believe in.

Now let me switch topics here. Barack Obama is now taking away some of the charitable donation tax deductions if you make over 250,000 dollars a year. This is going to make a huge impact. I was sitting with my doctor today, here in New York, and he said to me, “Glenn, you know, nobody is really looking at this the right way. As a doctor, Dr. Paul, you know that charitable contributions make a huge difference in research. If you don’t have charitable contributions, the only other places you can get them is from drug companies that are looking to make money, but those are being persecuted by the country. Which leaves us with the second one, which is government. Now the government will control all the research, and if you’re doing the wrong kind of research, or if you’re not politically correct or you’re not politically favored, you’re not going to get the money. This is going to take the one thing America has left: medicine, and knock us down. True or false?

Ron Paul: Well, I think it’s true and I think you have already used the right word and that is ‘power’. Some people want power over others, and they don’t believe in freedom, they don’t believe that individuals can make right economic decisions, or right personal/social decisions. Therefore, they think that they have to take care of everybody. But they are very, very sincere people. They just reject the notion that the average person has any common sense and knows what to do and what is best for them. This is the reason it is a system of power, but it is a presumption that they, the politicians and the bureaucrats, know so much more, but then there is a bunch of them that really enjoy the use of power.

Glenn Beck: You know what? I just got this in, this is from the New York Times. This is them talking about Fanny and Freddy, which they said, “Oh, we’re just going to bail them out, then we’re going to get right out”. The front page of the New York Times today has a story that everybody is talking about. They’re not going to give up their power. Barney Frank said, “There is a commitment to restructure these companies, and we are going to want to retain a hand in things, like affordable housing and making sure that the housing economy doesn’t become a threat to the entire economy again.”

They’re never going to let go of these things. You never give the government power and then they relinquish it. They are going to control housing now.

Ron Paul: But they don’t always ask for power outright. What they do is they offer you money, whether it’s for schools or for medical care or whatever, or these bailouts. The money comes first, and the power comes later. That is why the temptation to take the money should be resisted, because of the regulations that come. And yet the temptation is so great, but we’ve been living with that for many decades, the temptation. You know, student loans; which college kids can live without student loans, the temptation is too great.

Glenn Beck: Universal education is coming. Obama has been talking about government sponsored universal health clinics. Let me go back full-circle to the beginning.

Dr. Paul, do you believe that with universal health clinics now all across the country that a few things will happen?

  • That they will hire doctors that disagree with giving kids birth control.
  • That they will hire doctors that don’t want to perform abortions, and some that do.
  • And do you think they won’t treat illegal aliens?

I mean, all of those things are going to be turned upside on their head, because the government will control them.

Ron Paul: Yea, and that’s it, that’s one step further. But it started when the government got involved in medical care and they sent the money out, and they interfered with the doctor-patient relationship. That’s what has been destroyed. We have managed care, we have corporate medicine, now we’re moving into more government control and the doctor-patient relationship has just about been destroyed, and that is what we should protect and we should allow the market to handle some of these problems and charity too. So what do they do? What does Obama do? Remove the deductions. We make it very difficult to get the money. They just don’t want to relinquish control over anything.

Glenn Beck: All right, Dr. Paul, thank you very much. That was Congressman Ron Paul from Texas.

Let me just say – Please America, listen to your gut on things. Does it make sense when the studies show that 4 billion dollars would have been lost if this law was enacted in 2006. 4 billion dollars in charitable donations would be lost, that’s from the center on philanthropy. Does it sound right when Obama answers that charge and says, “Well, that’s why we put a 100 million dollars in the package”? It’s 4 billion dollars at a time when our country needs charitable people and charity. Why would you do this?
Your gut, listen to your gut, America, please.